1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: So we get a look to what might be the 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: future of transports being developed quietly in christ Church over 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: the past five years. Whoosh, I don't know there were 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: that sort of emphasis. Whosh. It's a mix of ride 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: hailing and urban gondola anyway. The CEO is doctor Chris Ellington, 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: who as well as Chris very good morning to you. 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: Hey, good mind, Mike. 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: It's a lot, it's a lot of it's a lot 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: of cable. You don't like, you don't like the white anyway, 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: there's a lot of cable, isn't it. I mean we're 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: we're in christ Church. I know you're starting out in Coinstown. 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Where in christ Church would you envisage it going from 13 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: and two? 14 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: Oh, I know definitely. So we're we credit washed to 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: connect key locations to key locations, to things like from 16 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: the airports downtown or connecting to Carhart a new sports 17 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: stadium down to the sports and entertainment area around the 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: around the Avon River, or connecting connecting hotels, the hospitals 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: or remote car parks. Those are the sort of key 20 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: connections we're looking to create. 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Does it get to a point where it's too complicated 22 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: cable wise, No, because. 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: We're working on really simple and prastriction. We took a 24 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: real first principle to approach and break it down to 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: keep the infrastructure really simple, really cheap and cost effective 26 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: with low maintenance, and then put smart vehicles moving on 27 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: that simple infrastructure. So long cable spans about one hundred 28 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: and fifty meters, so there's minimal cowers. And then rail 29 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 2: is to be able to navigate around through the complicated 30 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: urban environment, but have to fit in the urban environment 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: and give you a great experience when you're on it. 32 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: And the cost per meter versus an uber versus a tram, 33 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: versus a bus versus a train. 34 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: So the cost to install it's around about five million 35 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: dollars a kilometer to install, depending on the complexity of 36 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: the network and him the little stations you put. Compare 37 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: that to a road in an urban space, you're around 38 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: about twenty million a kilometer to build a road, and 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: I think light rail and Auckland was north of one 40 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: hundred million to kilometer. It's a really cost effective re 41 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: infrastructure to install. 42 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: And the administration of getting it ticked off is that 43 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: easy or harder or. 44 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: That's actually not too bad? I mean sort of works 45 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: for all all the legislations, as does everyone, but because 46 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: we're operating above the land and in the air rights, 47 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: we've worked really closely with Waka Katahi and the Ministry 48 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: of Transport and we have security of rights for the 49 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: projects we're putting it in Quenstown to operate above that space, 50 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: and there's actually quite good legislation to allow things like 51 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: this to work in the existing roading corridors. 52 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: How does it fit in with Amazon delivering pizzas by drone? 53 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Well, the thing with delivering drones or delivering robots is 54 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: the robots still have to get close enough to your 55 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: house to be able to deliver your packages. And the 56 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: way most of Amazon systems work and others as well 57 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: have a big distribution network are hub by the airport, 58 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: I mean smaller ones located around the city. So they've 59 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: still got to get pass us from the big ones 60 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: the small ones. And that's where watching can work as well. 61 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Get those delivery vans off the road, moving things closer 62 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: to the smaller distribution thinkers, freeing up room on the 63 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: road for more youth from you and meter do a 64 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: daily commute. 65 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: Give me a date when you can come on this 66 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: program and say it's working. It's the jump on board. 67 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: So the technology is working. We've got there working at 68 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: quarter scale and in our at top secret testing. We're 69 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: actually here in Krashi and then we early next year 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: we'll be doing shovels in the ground and in Queen's 71 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: Down to build the first pilot project fantastic that should 72 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: be should be riteable by twenty seven. 73 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Why is it top secret? 74 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: We were working with a very large US corporate to 75 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: help them solve some issues on their corporate campuses where 76 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: they're trying to move one hundred thousand people around emphasis 77 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: every day. No, not going. They've got another issues of viewers. 78 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I just good luck, Chris. I appreciate your time very much. 79 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Chris Ellington. It is I 80 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: think I think he was coming to us from him 81 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: coming to us from his top secret headquarters. The old gondola. 82 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: They go up to fifty kilometers an hour. By the way. 83 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 84 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: news talks they'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 85 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.