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Speaker 1: The police pay deals finally been settled. Essentially, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: agree talk for ages, so they took it off to

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Speaker 1: an independent arbitrator who favored the government's argument fifteen hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars ump sum backdated wage increases at least five thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars over time from next July. The Association president Chris

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Speaker 1: Carhills with us on this Chris morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: This is an elegant solution. I know you don't like it.

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Speaker 1: But if you can't agree, you can't agree. Get somebody

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Speaker 1: down the middle to make the call. They made the call,

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Speaker 1: and that's life, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, certainly you have to accept it. The only

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Speaker 2: difference is, Mike, because it's final offer arbitration, both parties

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Speaker 2: stand to win big or lose bigger. We think you'd

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Speaker 2: better to have arbitration. We're an arbitrator, could pick and

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Speaker 2: choose something in the middle, pick and choose the best

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Speaker 2: what we are for, the best what police offer, and

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Speaker 2: sort of come up with a solution that's more equitable

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Speaker 2: to everyone, rather than one side wins at all than

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Speaker 2: one side loses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's negotiation, and you couldn't negotiate.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work, Yeah, but sometimes that's having an independent

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Speaker 2: arbitrator that ten choose the best is still a better position,

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Speaker 2: we think than just having losing everything. When you put

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Speaker 2: your case on the side and it becomes so marginal

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Speaker 2: as it was in this case, you.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't say that if you'd won, though, would you.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we won last time, and we still

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Speaker 2: think there's issues with it. I think that the whole

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Speaker 2: idea of it is when it was put together so

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Speaker 2: that police can't because police can't strike, and the government's

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Speaker 2: meant to come to the party and recognize that as

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Speaker 2: a condition. Where it's not being recognized a condition, then

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Speaker 2: they're not giving the police enough to actually put the

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Speaker 2: right offers on the table. That's when's it come to

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Speaker 2: the issue.

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Speaker 1: See, here's part of the problem is although we would

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Speaker 1: all agree, I think and nurses probably fall into the

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Speaker 1: same category, should nurses be paid more? Should police be

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Speaker 1: paid more? We'd all go yes. Then you get down

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Speaker 1: to the how much more? In numbers terms? It's not

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Speaker 1: a bad deal, is it? Four plus four plus fifteen

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Speaker 1: hundred plus overtime?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's not the worst earlier that ever, it

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Speaker 2: might have a doubt. The problem is it doesn't keet

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Speaker 2: officers back even with inflation over the sort of the

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Speaker 2: five year period, so the last two years and the

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Speaker 2: three years going forward. And the other thing it doesn't

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Speaker 2: do is address the big increases and demand, the big

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Speaker 2: increases and risk and complexity of the role. And other

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Speaker 2: groups such as nurses and teachers that have been able

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Speaker 2: to industry election have had some recognition for that over

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Speaker 2: the last five and ten years. Police never have. So

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Speaker 2: there's those two issues that it happened really why we

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Speaker 2: haven't been able to settle.

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Speaker 1: Chris, appreciate your time. Chris Carhill, who's the Police Association president.

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