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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither Duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected you Storp said.

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Speaker 3: B Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.

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Speaker 3: So the police have a chopper in the air, they've

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Speaker 3: got checkpoints around matter Korpa following yesterday's reward off, and

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Speaker 3: Former NRL star Jared Haynes's sex assault conviction has been

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Speaker 3: quashed again or go to Australia to find out if

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Speaker 3: he's actually going to stand trial for the fourth time.

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Speaker 3: And in New Zealand has slashed the time it takes

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Speaker 3: to become a pilot. So can you still trust the pilot?

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Speaker 3: We'll speak with them after six.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, jeez, the.

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Speaker 3: Farmers are having a run of good news, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: So today, finally, finally, it's been announced that the Select

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Speaker 3: Committee inquiry into banking is also going to look into

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Speaker 3: rural banking. Now, to be honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 3: know why it's taken this long to expand the inquiry.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if the Select Committee is already looking into

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Speaker 3: urban lending, what you and I in the cities pay

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Speaker 3: for our houses and our businesses and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Why not look into the rural lending as well. Why

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Speaker 3: not just while you're at it, do the thing properly.

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Speaker 3: The COMMUS Commission's doing the same weird thing with its

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Speaker 3: banking study. It's only looking at urban lending, it's not

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Speaker 3: looking at rural lending. And there is a case for

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Speaker 3: of scrutiny because I don't know if you realize this,

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Speaker 3: but farmers pay a significantly higher interest rate than the

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Speaker 3: rest of us. It's really hard to tell how high

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Speaker 3: it is because these fans, these fees are really weirdly intransparent,

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Speaker 3: Like you're not going to be able to just google

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Speaker 3: a rural lending rate and find out as impossible. But

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Speaker 3: the word in the industry is that these guys are

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Speaker 3: paying more than ten percent for their lending. The rates

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Speaker 3: the rest of us. Now, presumably the banks are going

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Speaker 3: to argue that that's because farmers carry a greater risk

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Speaker 3: that farmers tell, the banks are way over egging that risk,

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Speaker 3: even to themselves. I mean, I've just read the Federated

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Speaker 3: Farmer's submission to Select Committee on why there needs to

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Speaker 3: of farmers who've got huge amounts of equity in their farms.

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Speaker 3: One off the top of my head was sixty percent

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Speaker 3: equity in this particular lot. We're making profits for all

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Speaker 3: of the five years the bank considered them to be distressed.

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Speaker 3: So they're making profits and they own like way more

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Speaker 3: story is repeated time and time again. High equity, but

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Speaker 3: apparently banks still uncomfortable. There are stories of farmers being

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Speaker 3: pressured to sell the farm when they didn't need to

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Speaker 3: sell the farm. I've been told of a farmer who

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Speaker 3: the ID. That's really bad advice. By the way, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be following that ten years ago. Apparently fewer than

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Speaker 3: under pressure by their banks. That number is now one

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Speaker 3: in four. That is huge. Now, the banks may have

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Speaker 3: a perfectly good explanation for all of this behavior, in

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Speaker 3: which case let's hear it, because we're having the inquiry

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Speaker 3: about time too. Ever, do for c Ellens two standard

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Speaker 3: kiwis leaving the country has reached a record higher. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many records we can strike. In March

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Speaker 3: time we were like, Paul, that's a high number. Well,

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Speaker 3: eighty one thousand, two hundred is the April figure that's

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Speaker 3: been released today. Paul Spoonley is a Massi University sociologist

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Speaker 3: and with us now, Hey, Paul, yod Ay, Heather Paul's

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Speaker 3: scale of one to ten. How worried to you about this?

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Speaker 4: Nine? Really?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Two reasons. One is that I thought with a

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Speaker 4: going up, so how much more can they go up?

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Speaker 4: The second is that we see our best and bright

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Speaker 3: And what are the skills that we're losing.

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Speaker 4: We're losing all of those. Well, we're losing a lot

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Speaker 4: to be seriously concerned. But of course you and I

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Speaker 3: What's it going to take for this number to come down?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's always pushing pool factors, and some

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Speaker 4: pool factor. That's there's not a lot you can do

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Speaker 4: So how do we do that? I'm not entirely sure,

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Speaker 4: but we need to be internationally competitive. There are push factors,

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Speaker 4: and that's what I'm a bit surprised at. I thought that,

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Speaker 4: we wouldn't see this ongoing increase. So I'm really surprised

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Speaker 4: really disincentives. We load up our graduates with student dead

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Speaker 4: to avoid that debt. So can't we do something? Couldn't we,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, how many of these people that's a note poll.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good idea, and I'm taking this on board.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking it. Not that I have any power over this,

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Speaker 4: On quite a few, because if you look at those numbers,

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Speaker 4: So they quite often go overseas, get experience, and then

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Speaker 4: What's interesting to me is that we've got the second

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Speaker 4: Ireland and the ACD. We don't manage that diaspora. We

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Speaker 3: I do. The Irish do it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they do, and the Filipinos do it really well.

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Speaker 4: good job. So some countries do The Israelis do it,

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Speaker 4: Can you provide us with funding, can you provide us

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Speaker 4: with ideas. Perhaps you know, some of your skilled clients

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Speaker 3: If there was something to go, I mean, the thing

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Speaker 3: that flash, right, they will come back. So really, if

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Speaker 3: or even in this part of the world, they may return, mightn't.

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Speaker 4: They Absolutely, So, as soon as we saw Donald Trump elected,

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Speaker 4: Boris Johnson. As soon as Boris Johnson got elected. There

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Speaker 3: Paul, you are always fascinating. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: taking the time to talk to us. It's professor Paul Spoonley,

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Speaker 3: Massy University sociologist. So just about the best thing we

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Speaker 3: could be hoping for at the moment is the reelection

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Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. I was gonna say and war, but

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Speaker 3: I don't want to inflict war on anybody just so

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan

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Speaker 2: Drive with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for business

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Speaker 3: In b Darcy water Grave sports Stalk Coasters with me. Hey, Darcy,

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Speaker 3: greetings Heather. So the IPL is hurting the black Caps.

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Speaker 7: Well, no, the black Caps are hurting the black Caps,

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Speaker 7: but the IPL probably hasn't helped because the Australians had

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Speaker 3: It doesn't look there, So why did we not Why

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Speaker 3: weren't we able to have some warm up games because

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Speaker 3: of the IPL because they.

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Speaker 7: Chose not to and some players came back here but

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Speaker 7: they needed to recuperate, recover.

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Speaker 3: Blah, are they not taking this tea twists?

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Speaker 1: You can roll?

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Speaker 7: Well, we think all this goes away if tomorrow at

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Speaker 7: what about this time tomorrow they've managed to beat the

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Speaker 7: West Indies and beat them with conviction and suddenly the

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Speaker 3: No, they get it wrong. Why not get into boxing?

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Speaker 3: Let's say it'll be a boon. Actually, Hey, Darcy, thank you.

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Speaker 4: But you've found not.

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Speaker 3: The father of the dead baby in Tequity has spoken

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden has been found guilty on all three counts

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Speaker 11: No one in this country is above the law. Everyone

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Speaker 3: Hamas has sent its official response to the US backed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tally Dan what's going wrong for California's cannabis economy.

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Speaker 13: People are not smoking enough weed. I mean, that's kind

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Speaker 13: Well, I would say, I mean it might have been COVID,

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Speaker 13: it might be inflation. Right now, I mean, we're number

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Speaker 13: one in I say we California always has been number

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Speaker 13: one when it comes to pot sales here.

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Speaker 9: In fact, we're number one in the world.

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Speaker 13: But times have changed, and so the number of legal

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Speaker 13: cannabis growers and brands have dropped more than seventy percent

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Speaker 13: since legalization went to effect here. And right now they're

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Speaker 13: finding that pot companies owe the state seven hundred and

446
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Speaker 13: thirty million dollars in back taxes, and you know that's never.

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Speaker 9: Going to be collected.

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Speaker 13: And all of this really is messing with the state's economy,

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Speaker 13: which it depended on a lot of this money to

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Speaker 13: fund various programs. And now, as it turns out, you

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Speaker 13: have to head east to Michigan. They sell more cannabis

452
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Speaker 13: and pot products per month than we do out here,

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Speaker 13: which is, you know, like I say, unheard of.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that the kind of there was like

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Speaker 3: a flurry of excitement about the pot and then everybody

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Speaker 3: just calmed down and realize it's not that great.

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Speaker 9: I think you hit the head.

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Speaker 13: I think the nailed around on the head right there,

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Speaker 13: because I think everybody thought that, well, you know, people

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Speaker 13: are going to be great. We can legalize pot here,

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Speaker 13: we can buy it here legally for medicinal purposes. But

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Speaker 13: you know, all the money is really in the black

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Speaker 13: market over here, and it's the places that you can't

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Speaker 13: get pot legally. So those are the people that are

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Speaker 13: still going to be making the money, not the places

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Speaker 13: that paid for their taxes and permits.

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Speaker 3: Now, what happened to the guy who was the hot

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Speaker 3: dog eating champion?

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Speaker 14: Right?

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Speaker 3: He was the reigning hot dog eating champion, But he

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Speaker 3: can't be involved in then competition?

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Speaker 9: Why no, no?

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Speaker 13: And I know it sounds like one of these goofy

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Speaker 13: what we call kicker stories of the business. But this guy,

475
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Speaker 13: Joey Chestnut, is a sixteen time hot dog eating contest

476
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Speaker 13: champ here in the US. He's known around the world

477
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Speaker 13: because of his food eating videos too. He's been banned

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Speaker 13: from competing at this year's event because he made a

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Speaker 13: deal with impossible foods And that's the rival of the

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Speaker 13: other hot dog company. So basically, he's promoting a vegan

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Speaker 13: hot dog for a company that had been supporting him

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Speaker 13: for ages on this and these professional eaters like this

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Speaker 13: guy here make big money. He was recently offered a

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Speaker 13: contract worth over a million or a million and a

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Speaker 13: half dollars.

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Speaker 3: And hot dogs.

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Speaker 13: If we're eating hot dogs, yeah, I mean we'll get

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Speaker 13: seventy six dogs and buns.

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Speaker 9: I mean that's a world record.

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Speaker 13: He ate sixty two last year, so I mean that

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Speaker 13: was kind of slacking off, but he still was able

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Speaker 13: to defend his title and he ate ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: Is he a big boy Den?

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Speaker 1: Uh No, that's.

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Speaker 9: The surprising thing. He's not.

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Speaker 13: You would think he would be massive, but he's average size.

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Speaker 13: Maybe he's maybe he's got a dad's body, but you know,

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Speaker 13: nothing more, nothing like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what's their problem? Is the problem the fact

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Speaker 3: that he has just signed with any company? Or is

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Speaker 3: it the fact that he has signed with the impossible

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Speaker 3: company which is plant based with.

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Speaker 13: The impossible company right now? So one, that's a big rival. Two,

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Speaker 13: you don't want it when you're when you're trying to

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Speaker 13: promote a meat product, you want to don't want to

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Speaker 13: go across the Island and say hey, I'm all for.

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Speaker 9: Vegan right here. Yeah, I'm now there.

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Speaker 3: Spokesperson Dan, thank you. Will talk to you again in

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Speaker 3: a couple of days. Dan, which is a US correspondent

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Speaker 3: now in New Zealand. Okay, So in New Zealand, I

511
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Speaker 3: think if I'm right, I mean I could be wrong,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like there's a shortage of pilots or

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Speaker 3: something like that at the moment. Anyway, that may be

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Speaker 3: why in New Zealand has done this. It's decided to

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Speaker 3: launch an Air New Zealand Pilot cadet ship. And part

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Speaker 3: of this is they're going to select thirty people who

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Speaker 3: want to be pilots, who apply and stuff. Are there,

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Speaker 3: gonna start training in them in September. But they're going

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Speaker 3: to do it fast. So normally it takes you two

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Speaker 3: years to three years to become a pilot. They are

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Speaker 3: going to reduce that training time down to fourteen months.

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Speaker 1: Are we okay?

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Speaker 3: Happen? How do we feel about that? I mean, because

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Speaker 3: I don't mind if you reduce the cadet ship time

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Speaker 3: of I don't like the apprenticeship time of a plumber,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Because if the pipe

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Speaker 3: bursts because old mate didn't do it properly. We'll just

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Speaker 3: get another plumber and you're not going to die, but

529
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Speaker 3: if the pilot does something wrong, you might die anyway.

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Speaker 3: Dave Morgan was a Dave Morgan's job when he's with us,

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Speaker 3: he's the chief pilot at he in New Zealand, and

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Speaker 3: his job when he's with us at six o'clock is

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Speaker 3: to one hundred percent convince us that this is not

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Speaker 3: going to be a problem. And I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 3: him doing that because I really want to hear that.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty Barry Soo Per, senior political correspondence with us, Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. What I mean, the farmers have been asking

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Speaker 3: for this inquiry into rural banking for such a long time.

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Speaker 3: What's finally sparked it?

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Speaker 15: Well, you'll probably be aware. In February, the Primary Reduction

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Speaker 15: Select Committee, they opened a briefing into rural banking lending

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Speaker 15: and they heard from numerous numerous concerns from farmers and

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Speaker 15: they thought that other rural communities would also feel the

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Speaker 15: same way. So, based on that feedback, the committee considered

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Speaker 15: the issue was worthy of further scrutiny. And that's what

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Speaker 15: Nikola willis. She's asked the Primary Production Committee to work

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Speaker 15: with the Finance and Expenditure Committee to look at the

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Speaker 15: banks in this country and how they treat the rural sector.

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Speaker 15: I've been talking around the rural sector today, Heather, and look,

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Speaker 15: the interesting aspect to me is that they do not

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Speaker 15: like the banks and the way they're being treated by

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Speaker 15: the banks. And what they say is rather than lending

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Speaker 15: the money, the banks prefer to extend their overdraft. Now

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Speaker 15: by extending their overdraft adding to it, they get more

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Speaker 15: interest from it, a floating rate, but yes, a higher rate.

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Speaker 15: So the banks they don't see as their friends at all.

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Speaker 15: What the Finance Select Committee can do is get the

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Speaker 15: banking regulators, that's the Reserve Bank, the Commerce Commission, who

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Speaker 15: itself is conducting an inquiry that will come out in August,

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Speaker 15: and the Financial Markets Authority. They can question them. But

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Speaker 15: you can also expect to hear submissions around New Zealand

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Speaker 15: chief executives. They should be made available for questioning from

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Speaker 15: the politicians. But what can the politicians do well, I

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Speaker 15: guess they'll come down with the report that will go

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Speaker 15: to Parliament, but the National Party has the majority on

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Speaker 15: the Select Committee, so they could recommend legislation controlling the

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Speaker 15: banks a bit better. There will be a particular emphasis

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Speaker 15: in this inquiry, like I said, on the rural sector,

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Speaker 15: where the Primers have got a rousing reception at the

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Speaker 15: field days in Hamilton today, particularly for taking farmers yesterday

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Speaker 15: out of the ETS which was meant to kick in

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Speaker 15: next year. Here's Chris Luxon saying how farmers should be

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Speaker 15: left alone to get on with the job.

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Speaker 16: We are aiding the war on farmers by slashing through

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Speaker 16: the jungle of real and green tape so they can

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Speaker 16: actually focus on their businesses and growing their farm gate profits.

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Speaker 16: Last year, just to ground you in, some FACS, food

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Speaker 16: and Fiber earned fifty seven billion dollars in export revenues,

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Speaker 16: about eighty two percent of all our goods exported out

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Speaker 16: of New Zealand, and so clearly the primary sector is

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Speaker 16: going to have to play an absolutely crucial role to

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Speaker 16: help us double the value of exports in the next

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Speaker 16: ten years.

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Speaker 15: Just a reminder for your listeners, and I'm sure they

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Speaker 15: don't need reminding of it, but last year the net

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Speaker 15: profit after tax for the mainly the four big major

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Speaker 15: banks in New Zealand was seven point two billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not short on a penny, are they. No,

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Speaker 3: he was more in pew hurt.

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Speaker 15: No, I don't think she was hurt. She was probably

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Speaker 15: more upset than hurt. She was Antarctica meeting with members

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Speaker 15: of the Golden Bay Community Board who were discussing, among

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Speaker 15: other things, getting around the fast track to gold, the

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Speaker 15: gold mining proposal planned by an Australian company called at

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Speaker 15: Sam's Creek. It's called Siren, I think it's Siren Gold.

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Speaker 15: Now there was a large protest outside the meeting venue

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Speaker 15: and at least one of them came forward pushed to

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Speaker 15: protest a placard into marrowing Pugh's chest. She was quite

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Speaker 15: upset about that. But then another came and walked right

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Speaker 15: up to her face apparently and got stuck into her there,

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Speaker 15: and then the protest has surrounded her car. It's really

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Speaker 15: interesting to me just how the momentum is building up

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Speaker 15: around the country against this fast track legislation. But these

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Speaker 15: are people that would like to see, in my view,

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Speaker 15: the country go the way it was going, with nothing

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Speaker 15: being nothing being consented to. Add all on having to

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Speaker 15: wait years in some cases hopefully, Well, I won't be

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Speaker 15: listened to, and you know, the government will get its way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if they behave like this, they're going to

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Speaker 3: lose favor very fast. Absolutely. But yeah, do you think

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the question. Do you think that

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Speaker 3: there is enough resistance to this idea from the likes

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Speaker 3: of you know, the environmental lobby groups and everybody else

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Speaker 3: who cares about it. Is there enough resistance to put

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Speaker 3: this government in an awkward position?

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Speaker 17: Ah?

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Speaker 15: No, I wouldn't think so. You know, the champion of it,

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Speaker 15: of course is Shane Jones, who wax is very lyrical

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Speaker 15: about it. But I think, look, there's a general understanding,

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Speaker 15: I would believe among the public and particularly those companies

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Speaker 15: that have tried to get you know, a consent and

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Speaker 15: having to wait as long as they have to know

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Speaker 15: just how wrecked this area of the economy is and

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Speaker 15: it needs to be spruced up.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thank you very much, really appreciate this. Barry Sober,

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Speaker 3: senior political correspondent, coming up eight away from five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Com this commission is way back into the petrol market,

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Speaker 18: retailers too quick to put the prices up, too slow

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Speaker 18: to bring them down. The Commissioner, Brian chapelers with us.

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Speaker 6: This is a pretty robust finding that prices go up

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Speaker 6: faster than they come down.

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Speaker 19: I don't think they can escape that.

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Speaker 18: They would counter it by saying, look, we look at

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Speaker 18: the price of a barrel of oil, it's down.

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Speaker 9: Why isn't the price down?

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Speaker 18: And they go well, at the same time the dollar

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Speaker 18: moved as well, or the cost of shipping changed, and

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Speaker 18: therefore it all equated out.

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Speaker 19: We're looking over several years, so there'd have to be

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Speaker 19: a systematic change in some of.

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Speaker 4: Their costs going in different directions to explain this.

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Speaker 6: And I just don't think that's credible.

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Speaker 9: Is it collusion?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: I think they look at local competition.

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Speaker 4: If they're not forced to lower crisis, they don't necessarily

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Janguine Newstalk ZB coming up.

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Speaker 3: Five from five.

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Speaker 4: OK.

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Speaker 3: I told you I was going to tell you what

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Speaker 3: the father of the dead baby, Antiquity is saying. He's

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Speaker 3: spoken out again, and he's spoken out twice now. The

658
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Speaker 3: first time he spoke out was yesterday after the cops

659
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: held that press conference. In that press conference, they said

660
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: that there was some inconsistencies in what he was saying publicly,

661
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 3: this is the father of the dead baby, and what

662
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: they were seeing in terms of how bad the baby's

663
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: injuries were. Now, the father then spoke to media after

664
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: the press conference yesterday and said, yep, in fact, he

665
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: had missed some things in his initial interview with police.

666
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: He said, I was not feeling good, like nothing was

667
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: coming in my mind. I was not thinking right straight

668
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: away because just after what happened, they took us to

669
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Speaker 3: give our statement, so I was not in the right

670
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: stage to give statements. So that's why some part of

671
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: some of the part was missed out. But then he

672
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: couldn't tell the media what it was that he'd missed out,

673
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: and he said he needed to tell police straight away.

674
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: He said it was something that me and my wife

675
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: we saw. We found out. That's what I am going

676
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: to discuss with the police. Anyway. The media managed to

677
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: get hold of him again today. Now he admits that

678
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: in fact, he did cause someone of the injuries to

679
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: the boy, but it was the CPR that he was

680
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: giving hes He reckons right this is his theory. Someone

681
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: got to the boy first, someone hurt the boy first.

682
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: He says, there must be someone else, like behind my

683
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: back or something. He says, then when his son was

684
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: choking on the milk, he started giving him CPR, and

685
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: he says when he was giving them the CPR, that

686
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: would have caused whatever injury the other person had given

687
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: the boy to become bigger and therefore kill the boy.

688
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: He says, if I'm guilty, I'm guilty. Yeah, that's what

689
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: it can be. I'm going to face it. He also

690
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: says he's visited the cop shop today in Tekowitzi, but

691
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: no one was there. They're going to contact him later

692
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: and he doesn't know when, and he's going to tell

693
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: them about it then. And then he says he feels

694
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: really angry about what he did because he didn't do

695
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: it on purpose, but if it is the result of

696
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: his cprs what's killed the boy, then he feels very,

697
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: very bad about it. And he says he hasn't spoken

698
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: to his wife in the last three days because they've

699
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: been separated by the family. And he says he's all

700
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: alone and he's got nothing to do, and he's very

701
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: empty minded. Obviously, not in his best interest to be

702
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: talking publicly, what do you think? But quite an interesting

703
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: thing to get an insight into what's going on here. Anyway,

704
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Federated Farmers straight after the

705
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: news on the news that they are going to get

706
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: this rural banking inquiry and what exactly is going wrong

707
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: for farmers. I think that's what we all want to know.

708
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: How tough is it for them with the banks. Then

709
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: we'll head also to Marta Copper find out what's going

710
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: on with the coppers there and whether they are Yeah,

711
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: because these information and there's information a did any of

712
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: that information that come in came in last night after

713
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: the reward? Was any of that actually good good stuff?

714
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: Was it the gold stuff? We'll find out.

715
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Speaker 20: News Talks EVA.

716
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

717
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: get the answers by the banks and give the announce

718
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: us Heather due to ce Ellen drive with One New

719
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: Zealand let's get connected a news talk as they'd be.

720
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Speaker 3: The government has finally asked for an inquiry into rural banking.

721
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: Prime Minister Chris luckx And says today said that he's

722
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: asked the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee to dig into

723
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: the concerns that farmers have about the way the banks

724
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: are operating.

725
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Speaker 16: They will joint me work on working through with the banks,

726
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 16: their chairs and their CEOs with a public public inquiry.

727
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Speaker 7: And that's really to make sure that we've got competition.

728
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 16: We want to make sure customer service an importantly look

729
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 16: at bank profitability.

730
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Richard McIntyre is the Federated Farmer's National Dairy Chair and

731
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: with us now, hey Richard, hey, Heather, Well what is

732
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: the treatment from banks that farmers aren't enjoying?

733
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Speaker 19: Oh?

734
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Speaker 10: Look, it's a whole bunch of stuff.

735
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Speaker 7: Really.

736
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Speaker 10: The farmers are looking at the interest rates of that

737
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 10: paying compared to residential home owners and seeing quite a

738
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 10: quite significant difference there, and they're asking why is it

739
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 10: the case? Is it fair and reasonable? Are our banks

740
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 10: favoring residential ending over rule ending? And also that the

741
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 10: treatment of farmers when they become distressed. You know, there

742
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 10: are a lot of farmers say, hey, look, I used

743
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 10: to have a really good relationship with my bank. I

744
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 10: don't really see what's changed with my business of anything.

745
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 10: I think my business is in the stronger financial position.

746
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 10: But their banks are putting more and more pressure on them,

747
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 10: and we're sending some really perverse outcomes there in that respect,

748
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 10: where farmers that you know, you can't see how they're

749
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 10: really rescued to the banks or the financial system, to

750
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 10: be fair, are being forced to pay very high interest

751
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 10: rates and in some cases forced to sell up.

752
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: How high is the interest rate, well, you.

753
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 10: Know, depending on the farming business. What I'm hearing, there

754
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 10: are a lot a lot of farmers paying in the

755
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 10: nine some of the tens. We're having some very high

756
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 10: overdraft rates twelve to fourteen percent. And we're also having

757
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 10: farmers that you know, I struggle a little bit with

758
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 10: the current commodity cycle and not manke their profit. But

759
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 10: banks are still demanding to have principal repayments, and the

760
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 10: fact that we're sending the overdraft so that the principal

761
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 10: repayments can be made, and therefore essentially changing from say

762
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 10: nine percent interest rate with Turmo through to a twelve

763
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 10: or forty percent and straight on the overdraft. And as

764
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 10: you can imagine, that's in no way the best interests

765
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 10: of the farmer.

766
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: Are the banks not just acting in their own base

767
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 3: interests for their own business or is there something else

768
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: going on here.

769
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 10: Well, look there's sitting in behind all of this. You know,

770
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 10: there is a reserve bank regulation. And when we sort

771
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 10: of when we ask a few questions about what's driving

772
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 10: these higher interest rates, the bank's point of the finger

773
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 10: right at the Reserve Bank and say, hey, look it's there.

774
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 10: It's all of their regulation, their capital requirements. They're at

775
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 10: the moment increasing the capital requirements for rule ending in

776
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 10: order to in order for the digitiliant financial system to

777
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 10: withstand a one in five hundred year event, which is

778
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 10: all well and good. But then you talk to the

779
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 10: Reserve Bank and they say, hey, look, their regulatory settings

780
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 10: are fine. It's the banks making excessive profits and elected

781
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 10: and it's a lack of competition in the real banking

782
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 10: space because we've only got five rural banks, but we

783
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 10: have about eighteen in the residential space. So one of

784
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 10: the things we'd love to look at is what's driving

785
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 10: Is there enough competition, enough competition there, But what's driving

786
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 10: only five banks wanting to be in the rual space

787
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 10: but eighteen in the residential space?

788
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Richard best of like getting to the bottom

789
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 3: of this. As Richard McIntyre Federated Farmer's National dairy chair.

790
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: Heather du for CLA Police.

791
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: Say that they've had information on the missing Mattercopper Dad

792
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: come in overnight after they offered that eighty thousand dollars

793
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: reward yesterday. They have a chopper in the air today

794
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 3: they've set up four checkpoints around the town. Mariana Garcia

795
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: is a Waikutle Herald reporter who's been at the scene today. Mariana, Hello, Hello.

796
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: Does it sound to you like any of the information

797
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 3: that's come in overnight is actually good information?

798
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 21: It's really hard to tell, Heather. The police haven't confirmed

799
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 21: either way whether any of their tips have panned out,

800
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 21: but there is a very heavy police presence in the

801
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 21: town today.

802
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: And what are they running these checkpoints for exactly?

803
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 21: They seem to be checking inside of vehicles that are

804
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 21: coming and going from not a coopa, and also checking

805
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 21: driver's licenses and identifications of each vehicle that comes through.

806
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: It is the point of that to just put pressure

807
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: on the community.

808
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 21: They haven't said either way, but I think they seemed

809
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 21: to be trying to find someone, and that seems to

810
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 21: be what they're doing.

811
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: And the chopper where has the chopper been flying?

812
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 21: The choppers is lying over the Matacopa area. It came

813
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 21: through this morning and did a loop around that coastal

814
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 21: area this evening. It could come back. We haven't had

815
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 21: confirmation of that yet.

816
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: Do you get the sense that the community is behind

817
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: Tom Phillips or behind the effort from the cops.

818
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 21: There was no members of the community that I spoke to today.

819
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 21: They seem to be rather quiet in town. There was

820
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 21: no one that I could see on the streets, even

821
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 21: aside from police. So it's really hard to tell.

822
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: Mariana, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Mate, This

823
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: Mariana Garcia y cutor Herald reporter here the duple either

824
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: don't panic about Air New Zealand. The pilots won't be

825
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: captains after fourteen months training. They're just gonna be the

826
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: first or second officers and they're gonna sit there for

827
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: years now. No, thank you. Listen, okay, pi Ha. The

828
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: list there's a travel site called Big Seven that I've

829
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: never heard of before in my life, right, so just

830
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: just factor that in.

831
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 5: Right.

832
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to say is reduced credibility. Anyway, They've

833
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: put out their list of the ten best beaches in

834
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: the world, and they have put pih as the best

835
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: beach in the world. Now come off as I am

836
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: going to use this as an opportunity to just finally

837
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: get this off my chest about pi Ha. Piar is

838
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: not the best beach in the world. Pihar is not

839
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: even the best beach in New Zealand. It's not even

840
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: the best beach in Auckland. And you could argue, I mean,

841
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: if you were to torment yourself with swimming on the

842
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: West Coast, is it actually even the beach speech on

843
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: the West Coast? You want to spend your entire time

844
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: in the water trying to save your own life, you

845
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: should go to pe Ha. Absolutely knock yourself out, Probably

846
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: will knock yourself out. One time, when I was stupid enough,

847
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: I tried surfing at p Hat. I don't surf very well,

848
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: by the way, I don't get any ideas here. It's

849
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: like it's definite falling off the board vibes. But I

850
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: was surfing at pi Hat and the wave hit me

851
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: so hard and dumped me so hard. My torso went

852
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: forward and the bit of me that is below the

853
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: waist kind of went sideways, and not in the kind

854
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: of way that your body is designed to bend, which

855
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: is you know, like forward, like you're bit bowing to

856
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: the king. Not like that, more like sideways. It was

857
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: a deeply unpleasant experience and I never went back to

858
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: p HA again. I just want to say, can we

859
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: stop this thing where we think PIH is awesome? Go

860
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 3: east coast, Go west, Go go east coast. Go nice

861
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: white beach, nice calm, little thing. That's what you need

862
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: in your life. You don't need PEHA fourteen past five. Hey, now,

863
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: if you're a pino noir lover, get set to grab

864
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: yourself one of the most ludicrous red wine deals of

865
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 3: the year so far. It is available online right now

866
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 3: at the Wine co. Now, what we're talking about tonight

867
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: is an award winning Malbropino noir that is up for

868
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: grabs at an utterly insane nine ninety nine per bottle. Yep,

869
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: you heard right, ten bucks per bottle for an award

870
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: winning malbropino. It's just absolutely nuts. The wine is called

871
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 3: Yelands Marlbropino War twenty twenty. Now this label was originally

872
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: destined for an export market, but it's now up for

873
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883
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Speaker 1: Now?

884
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm telling you the phones are going to be ringing hot,

885
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886
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889
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890
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Six two together do for cl.

891
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: Coming up five to eighteen. Now yet another twist in

892
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: the Jared Haynes six assault case. The former NRL star

893
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: has just had his conviction quashed in the Court of

894
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: Appeal for the second time. Michael Bradley is a managing

895
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: partner at Mark Lawyers and joins me now from Sydney.

896
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: Him Michael Hi. Is he getting off on a technic

897
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: technicality or is this fair enough?

898
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 19: Oh well, I mean these are all technicalities whichever way

899
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 19: it goes. The Peel Court has overturned this conviction on

900
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 19: a couple of Yeah, both technical grounds to do with

901
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 19: the way that the judge, the trial judge conducted the

902
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 19: trial in terms of evidence that he allowed and his

903
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 19: directions to the jury, which the Pearl Court obviously came

904
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 19: to the view, meant that the conviction was unsound. So

905
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 19: here we are.

906
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: Do you think he's going to go to trial? Because

907
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: if he goes to trial again, I'll be the fourth time,

908
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: won't it.

909
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's going to be in the hands of the

910
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 19: Director of Public Prosecutions. It would be surprising if they

911
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 19: take him to a fourth trial. Usually, when it gets

912
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 19: to this sort of point, particularly because he's already served

913
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 19: prison time, there comes a point where, in terms of

914
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 19: the public interest and also just sort of basic fairness,

915
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 19: they will pull the pin. So but yeah, I mean,

916
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 19: that's it's a discretionary call for the TP.

917
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: How do you feel about it if they decide to

918
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: go with that.

919
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 19: Oh look, I mean obviously the whole case has been

920
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 19: a debarcle. You know, it's in no one's interest for

921
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 19: a rape case to be tried three times, and it's

922
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 19: appalling for everyone. Clear up. Obviously an ordeal for him,

923
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 19: an awful ordeal for the complainant. Yeah, there are no

924
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 19: winners in the side. Just under lines how broken the

925
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 19: system is.

926
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Michael, thank you for your time. I

927
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: really appreciated. Michael Bradley, managing partner at Mark Lawyers. I'm

928
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: getting a lot of texts along these lines, Heather, Come on,

929
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: the kids in Marta Kappa are going to go to

930
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: ordering a tamiki if they get called good luck leave

931
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: them alone. I don't know. Yeah, I think a lot

932
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: of a lot of parents will probably be feeling a

933
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: little bit like. This is a very fraught situation, isn't it.

934
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: Mum clearly doesn't have custody for whatever reason. Dad, I'm

935
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: talking about the matter kopper.

936
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 21: Dad.

937
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: By the way, if you didn't figure that, I haven't

938
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: figured that. I should be clear about that. Mum didn't

939
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: have custody, right, So something's happened there. Dad has custody,

940
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: Dad takes off, goes bush. Dad loses custody. Now custodies

941
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: with order a tamiki. Now that's got to be the

942
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: worst of all situations. Who wants to send their kids

943
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: to orderung A Tamaitiki. Have you heard what happens in

944
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: state care? Or we've just got on a commission into

945
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 3: state care at the moment, looking at all the bad

946
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: stuff that's been happening for donkeys years in state care,

947
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. Cops probably lost a little bit of

948
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: sympathy with that one. I think I just I was

949
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: reflecting overnight. I wonder how many p because I'd flip

950
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: for eighty thousand. I mean, then I'm cynical and terrible,

951
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: aren't I? I just want a new ute. But I just

952
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: wonder how many of those people in that community are

953
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: going to flip, because if they've been looking after him

954
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: this long, I don't know if they will a especially

955
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: now that OT is involved, because now do you really

956
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: want to send the kids there? Anyway, We'll see how

957
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: it goes hither. Mount Monganui is a better beach than

958
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: pH and you can get a nice coffee or an

959
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: ice cream, then excellent point because you need you need

960
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: your at prey surf as well, don't you? Five to

961
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: twenty one?

962
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need?

963
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: Heather Dup to see allan drive with one New Zealand.

964
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: Let's get connected a news talk.

965
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: As they'd be, Hey, get a load of this. Health

966
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: New Zealand is asking its staff to pay back money

967
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: that they received an error. This happened four or five

968
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: years ago, but they just started chasing them now. But

969
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: the problem is Health New Zealand owes the staff itself

970
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: about two billion dollars, so it feels a little bit off.

971
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: We're going to have a chat to the chief executive

972
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: of the nurses union will be with us in round

973
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: about twelve minutes time. It's five twenty four. Now I

974
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 3: have got to the point I reckon where I personally

975
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 3: thinks John ambulance service is so broken I'm not sure

976
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: I would rely on in an emergency anymore. Today, the

977
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: union that represents the ambo workers has announced that it's

978
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: launching industrial action indefinitely. So it says what's happened in

979
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: the pay negotiations. As pay negotiations is that at first

980
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: sin John said there was no money for pay increases.

981
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: Then they did stump up some money and they did

982
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: make a pay increase offer, but it wasn't like, not

983
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: anywhere near good enough, so the union said no, and countered, offered,

984
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: but counteroffered, but every time they counteroffer, they reckon. Saint

985
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: John just refuses to even address it. And so as

986
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: a result, they are now going to still be doing

987
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: the Code purple and cold Code red callouts, which is

988
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: like cardiac arrest and life threatening stuff, but they are

989
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: not committing to doing anything else if you hurt yourself indefinitely,

990
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: and by indefinitely they basically mean like until they get

991
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: a decent payoffer. This could go on for a year.

992
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: They said, Now, can you imagine how much worse this

993
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: is going to make the Saint John's AMBO service, because

994
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: it's already not flash. I mean, there's a story on

995
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: the papers today of a seventy two year old guy

996
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: who called St. John to say he was having a

997
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: heart attack, and he knew he was having a heart

998
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: attack because he'd already had two heart attacks before, and

999
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: the AMBO said, no, no, nah, it's going to be

1000
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: an hour or two away before anyone gets to you

1001
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: because you're not having a heart attack, you've got a

1002
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: chest infection. And then there was a story just a

1003
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, by the way, he did have a

1004
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: heart attack, just fyi. And then there was a story

1005
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago of a seventeen year old

1006
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: girl who died of asthma. Asthma a completely treatable situation.

1007
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: He just chuck some oxygen in there and you'll be

1008
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: able to save her life. Died of asthma because the

1009
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: operator coded it wrong and sent the AMBO crew on

1010
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 3: a break instead of to save her life, and by

1011
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: the time they realized the mistake, my must have called

1012
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: a thousand times. By the time they got there, not

1013
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: able to be saved anymore. Something is wrong here with

1014
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: the AMBO service. I don't think it's just funding. I mean,

1015
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: some of it obviously is funding, like we shouldn't be

1016
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: relying on a life saving service that runs on donations.

1017
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: That's mental. But it's obviously bigger than funding as well,

1018
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: because if you've got people incorrectly coding events, which is

1019
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: happening quite often at the moment, then I don't think

1020
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: funding is going to fix that anyway. I've got to

1021
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: a point where I've just accepted it. I've accepted the

1022
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: situation is what it is. I've made myself an alternative plan.

1023
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: If we've got an emergency in the house, I've got

1024
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: a plan for how I'm going to get people to

1025
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: the hospital myself, because I do not anymore think that

1026
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: I can rely on Saint John. And I just wonder

1027
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 3: how many other people have got to that.

1028
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: Point too together duplesl By.

1029
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 3: The way, if you live in the city, Uber obviously,

1030
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: because ubers are there in two minutes, right, which is

1031
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: definitely more efficient, more efficient than an AMBO service. And

1032
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: also Uber will cost you, like what ten or twenty bucks.

1033
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: The ambo's going to cost you a hundred bucks if

1034
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: it comes and helps. Yet this is information I got

1035
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: from one of my colleagues that I thought, that's quite

1036
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 3: a helpful piece of advice.

1037
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 21: Heather.

1038
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: If the Marti Korper Dad wasn't a criminal, dickhead ot

1039
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: would not be involved. It's all on him. Fair point

1040
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: to make, Heather. PIH is an exciting adventure beach. Well,

1041
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: that's one way of that's one way. I mean, like cool,

1042
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: I almost died one time. I didn't die, but you know,

1043
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: people are always people are always dying at PIHA adventure

1044
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: beach adventure. It's not for those who want to sunbathe

1045
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: on the golden sands of the East Coast. I met

1046
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: my husband at p HA. He proposed it and we've

1047
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: been together for thirty five years now, so pr rules

1048
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: must have been there on a day that you had

1049
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 3: a good sun, sunset or something like that. That happens

1050
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: sometimes at Peter. Good thing you didn't go swimming and

1051
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 3: die at Peter. Headline's next.

1052
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1053
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Hither dup to see

1054
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

1055
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: news talk because.

1056
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: They'd be.

1057
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, if you're feeling the pain of

1058
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: the insurance costs at the moment, and frankly, who isn't

1059
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: mel fantastic Management's going to be with us and just

1060
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: slightly under an hour, just twenty five past six, they'll

1061
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: be with us. They're going to talk us through whether

1062
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: actually we're through the worst of it or whether there's

1063
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: more to come. Hither the uber driver is probably a

1064
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: doctor as well, good points, so probably assist you on

1065
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: your way. Hither. I had a major car accident August

1066
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: last year at Auckland Airport. The car was written off.

1067
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: I spent four nights in ICU two and a half

1068
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 3: hours for an ambo, so I had to go into

1069
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: police car. Heither Saint John turned up very quickly to

1070
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: my six month grandson respiratory illness today. Very grateful to them.

1071
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 3: That's good news. Ay. Hither my wife fell down the stairs,

1072
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: broke a hip and her wrist. Called the ambo at

1073
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: eleven at night. They arrived at five am. We're only

1074
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: a thirty minute drive away. Hither the ambulance. We actually

1075
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: have a defibrillator at our place because my elderly parents

1076
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: live next door, because we just don't trust the ambulance

1077
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: to get here on time. And somebody actually texts to

1078
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: say that they had a situation where in fact they

1079
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: were waiting for an ambulance so long and I can't

1080
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: find the text right now, but they were waiting for

1081
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: an ambulance so long they actually just got an uber

1082
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: in the end, so they go. The plan's not a

1083
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: bad one. Twenty four away from six ever due for

1084
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: see Allen Huddle standing by to talk to us shortly.

1085
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: Health New Zealand is asking staff to pay back money

1086
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: that they received an error. The nurses union reckons this

1087
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: is an attempt to save costs and it's smarting because

1088
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: Health New Zealand itself still owes workers two billion dollars

1089
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: in under payments. Chief people Officer at Health New Zealand,

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00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: Andrew Slater's with.

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Speaker 4: Us, Hey Andrew evening heater.

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Speaker 3: How much money are you chasing?

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00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: I look, at any one time, we've got sort of

1094
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: around about a million dollars in sort of errors that

1095
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 4: we've identified at any one time that we are chasing

1096
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 4: that we're working with people to either get paid paid

1097
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: back or correct. That's across a ten billion dollar payroll.

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00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: The payments that you are trying to chase at the moment,

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00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: these are things that happened, according to the Nurses Union,

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Speaker 3: potentially as much as four or five years ago.

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00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: Is that right?

1102
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 4: I understand that there are a couple of payments that

1103
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: go back that far. But for the most part, our

1104
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: payment specialists within our payroll teams, we've got over over

1105
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: two hundred people that work in payroll around the country,

1106
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: and we have dedicated roles that you know, every week

1107
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 4: check you know, someone might leave and they have paperwork

1108
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: hadn't come through and so therefore they've been overpaid a

1109
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: week and we followed up normally about a million dollars

1110
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: in that category.

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00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: And are people paying it back?

1112
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, looks for the most part, our people are we

1113
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: put in place payment plans. There's rules and the collectives

1114
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 4: that allow us to do that. There's the Wages Protection

1115
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: Act that we do. And this is just us making

1116
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 4: sure that people are paid accurately and we're working with

1117
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: tax payer money wisely.

1118
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: They have a fair point to be a bit annoyed

1119
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: about it, right, because you owe them so much money

1120
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: and are so late in paying it.

1121
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: All right, look at Health New Zealand, we are incredibly

1122
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 4: frustrated about that Holidays Act and pay that we owe

1123
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 4: our people. You know, on inception none of our payroll

1124
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: systems we're compliant with the Holidays Act. We've a team

1125
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 4: of people working tiresly every day to get that money

1126
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: out the door. We've done thirty four thousand people you know.

1127
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 4: Today I've been looking at getting out another one hundred

1128
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: and twenty million and getting back through now we've calculated

1129
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: it correctly. Over thirteen years old. This ship is this

1130
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: issue that's been building.

1131
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: How is it that you guys are struggling so badly

1132
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: to just pay people properly. I mean it's twenty twenty four,

1133
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: like most of us can do this properly. What's up?

1134
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, we have got over over twenty nine payroll

1135
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: systems that came in from those former district health boards.

1136
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: You know, we're still using paper, timesheets, dot matrix printers

1137
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 4: in some of our hospitals. Payroll hasn't been invested in. Yeah,

1138
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: I know, I know, this is this is this is

1139
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. We've got a we've got a plan.

1140
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: We're going to sort it out. We're going to we're

1141
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: going to put it right. And that's what I'm focused

1142
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: on making sure we do. At the moment.

1143
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: How long before you guys upgrade to computers.

1144
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we've got our Auckland, our three Auckland district

1145
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: have now got compliant payrolls the Holidays Act, and so

1146
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 4: we're currently working on all of the other systems to

1147
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 4: get the compliant and in those in those places where

1148
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: we've got paper processes dot matrix printers, we're going to

1149
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 4: be working on that really rapidly. It took a long

1150
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 4: time for us to get where we are. It's going

1151
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 4: to take us a long time to climb out of that.

1152
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: So over over the next you know, we're chipping away

1153
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: at sorting it out, putting it right.

1154
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 19: It'll be at.

1155
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 4: Least eighteen months plus before we've before we've got it

1156
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 4: all fully sorted out the holidays at payments though, we're

1157
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 4: really focused on getting that money out the door this year.

1158
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah good, I'm pleased to hear that, Andrew. Thank you

1159
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: very much, Andrew Slater, Chief People Officer at Health New Zealand.

1160
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: Hither I heard that Saint John doesn't want full government

1161
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: funding so they don't lose their charity status and they

1162
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: also own a bucket load of property twenty away from six.

1163
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unparalleled reach

1164
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: and results.

1165
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: Got a couple of Nicks on the huddle this week

1166
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 3: this evening. We've got Nick Leggett of Infrastructure New Zealand,

1167
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: and we've got Nick Mills of Wellington Mornings.

1168
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 19: Hello you too, Hello, good looks queerd.

1169
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 3: It is next Quaid. This is a mistake, right because

1170
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: now I have to refer to you both by your

1171
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: full names. But we're going to that. Nick Legas, how

1172
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: do you feel about the fact that we had like

1173
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: eighty two thousand or eighty one thousand Kiwis leave the

1174
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: country again in a new record.

1175
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Speaker 4: I think I just think it confirms me where we're

1176
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 4: at and there is a sort of a national sense that,

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00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 4: you know, we've got a bit of a bit of

1178
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 4: an economic situation. Things are sluggish, There isn't great confidence

1179
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 4: out there. It's a bit of a post COVID hangover.

1180
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 4: I reckon sill and you know, we watch other countries really,

1181
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: you know, taking off and getting things done, and you know,

1182
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: I think the government are absolutely trying to do that.

1183
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 4: I think they're on a turnaround mission. But you know,

1184
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: we live in the now age, right It's it's people

1185
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: want stuff yesterday. So I think it's going to take

1186
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 4: some patience, and it's also got to take a little

1187
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 4: less arguing and not listening to each other and a

1188
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: little bit more. How do we get on the same

1189
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: page as a country and decide the sort of things

1190
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 4: that are important, and how do we get united behind

1191
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: the vision?

1192
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: Are you saying that part of the reason that people

1193
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: are leaving is because of just how angry the political

1194
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: environment is.

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: I think there's a I just think in the national

1196
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: mindsets in a bit of a downer. I feel it myself,

1197
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 4: and I'm pretty optimistic, but you just you just get

1198
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 4: that sense from people people are under stress. You know,

1199
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 4: we talk about public services. You know, it is that,

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00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 4: you know, when you talk about hell, there is a

1201
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 4: sense that for a long time we've let things wind

1202
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: down a bit. We haven't maintained a lot of the

1203
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 4: systems and the and the physical things we've got. We

1204
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 4: haven't perhaps paid people enough and it's all coming home

1205
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 4: to roost and there are better opportunities off shore. So

1206
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: we've got we've got to turn around, job to do.

1207
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 4: But I think we can do it.

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00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you reckon?

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00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 5: We can do it, Nick Mills, I'm hoping we can

1210
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 5: do it. But I agree totally with what Nick Leggatt said,

1211
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 5: But I think it's worse than what he's saying. I

1212
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 5: think that the feeling is that we're not seeing anything

1213
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 5: that from this government that says, Yay, thank goodness, we're away,

1214
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 5: you know, just put our seat belt on and enjoy

1215
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 5: the ride. It's all like we're still feeling like we're

1216
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: cutting this and we're cutting that, and we're broken. We've

1217
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: had it and the last government did this. It's all negative.

1218
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 5: There's nothing that says we've got a green light in

1219
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 5: front of us.

1220
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 8: We're going.

1221
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 5: But when we look at our neighbors in Australia and

1222
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 5: these great n these numbers are records have been broken,

1223
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 5: and I will bet my list that next month it'll

1224
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 5: be the same. It'll be a new record of people leaving.

1225
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 5: And they're all going to Australia. Why because they're feeling

1226
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 5: in Australia that they are got the green light. They

1227
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: are going places, they are getting it fixed. Where we

1228
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 5: are in a rut and we really need the new

1229
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 5: government to say, hey, let's get it going.

1230
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: And that Nick Mills, that hey let's get it going.

1231
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: Is that is sort of like like a like a

1232
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: big plan for how we juice up this economy. Is

1233
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: that what you want?

1234
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 5: I want to see and I never didn't see it

1235
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 5: in the budget. I wanted to see small business, which

1236
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 5: I'm part of that. I put my hand up. Small

1237
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 5: business didn't get a damn single thing out of that budget.

1238
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 5: Small business is what's going to get this country going again.

1239
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 5: That's what makes us bigger, that's what's going to get

1240
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 5: us green light, that's going to get us going. They're

1241
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: not no one, no one is doing anything for small business.

1242
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 5: So it's kind of like, in this rut, why don't

1243
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 5: we actually say let's get it going?

1244
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what Nickligh would I'd be quite

1245
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: keen on as I would quite like I've got a

1246
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: little bit interested in this idea that we could be

1247
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: the next Singapore or next Ireland, and I'd like to

1248
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: see that plan. That would reallyduce me.

1249
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you say that because infrastructure New Zealand

1250
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: just led a delegation to Ireland, Belfast actually a Northern

1251
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 4: Ireland and Denmark looking at small nations and how they

1252
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 4: have got it together.

1253
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 11: Now.

1254
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: The truth is it does take a long time, it

1255
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 4: takes decades. But do you know what, Heather, What we

1256
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 4: see in this country is the swinging back and forth

1257
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: often between when a government changes and a whole lot

1258
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: of things change and new priorities, which is their prerogative.

1259
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 4: But nonetheless we see more political stability in true proportional

1260
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: electoral systems overseas, but just a greater agreement on what's

1261
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 4: really important. And if you think about Ireland, right, they

1262
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: fifty years ago said, look, we're sick of being bottom

1263
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: of the OECD. We've got to really heavily invest in education.

1264
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 4: And then they said we've really got to open ourselves

1265
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 4: up to foreign capital for investment in businesses and we're

1266
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 4: going to have a low corporate tax rate and they

1267
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 4: have stuck to that through thick and thin, and my goodness,

1268
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 4: it is a stunt Island is a stunner and they

1269
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 4: are investing in their infrastructure. They've got tech jobs coming

1270
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 4: out of their ears. Now, yeah, they're closer to markets.

1271
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 4: There are a lot of things that aren't comparable. But

1272
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: New Zealand has to grasp something and decide what we're

1273
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: about and how we're going to be competitive because we're

1274
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 4: a long way from anywhere, but we do have some

1275
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: amazing attributes to natural attributes and people. So let's let's

1276
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 4: get it all together and start using it because we

1277
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 4: do need to unite on a vision and an idea

1278
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 4: about what we're critically about of the country.

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01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: Yes it sounds so lame, but it's true.

1280
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: Guys.

1281
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll take a break with an next comeback and

1282
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: a tick fourteen away from.

1283
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, exceptional

1284
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: marketing for every property.

1285
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: Heather, how can we get ahead when every time someone

1286
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 3: tries to do something, the lefty protesters go ape? And

1287
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: speaking of which, Nick Mills, did you see the lefty

1288
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 3: protesters go ape a more in Pew.

1289
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 5: No should I they should have Actually, they should have

1290
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 5: actually had more security around you. This is something that

1291
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 5: really I've talked about several times on our show. Should

1292
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 5: they Should a politician go anywhere where they are at risk?

1293
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 5: You know that's not who.

1294
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: Goes on but Nick, you don't go to Tarcica to

1295
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: talk to the local people about whether the gold mine

1296
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: should happen up the road and then expect that one

1297
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: of these clowns is going to hit you with a placard.

1298
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 5: Well, yes you do, because you're a politician. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: really strongly against the stuff. You know, you've got your view.

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Speaker 6: I've got my view.

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Speaker 5: You can actually have that argument without getting physical, well,

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Speaker 5: without touching somebody, without getting in their cylinder. I know,

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Speaker 5: I totally disagree, and I think we should have been

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Speaker 5: security around them. Anywhere else in the world there would

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Speaker 5: have been security around them and be all held to

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Speaker 5: play New Zealand. Oh, well, they've got their view. They

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Speaker 5: can hit someone if they want to.

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Speaker 4: What do you reckon the Legand well, I think it's

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Speaker 4: a fundamental sort of right or tenement of democracy really

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Speaker 4: that we should have access to the people we elect

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Speaker 4: to make decisions on our behalf, and in turn they

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Speaker 4: should feel safe when they are out and about meeting people.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we want big barriers between politicians and people,

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: so but we've got to get past it. It goes

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Speaker 4: back to this point around you know, this polarization where

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 4: we're being pushed further and further to the margins and

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: we're listening less and less to the other side. And

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Speaker 4: of course that's when you start wanting to give somebody

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01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 4: tap because there is nothing you like about them, there

1320
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 4: is nothing you agree with them about. All you see

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Speaker 4: as a bad person and this is this is the

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Speaker 4: nature of the world at the moment. So I think

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Speaker 4: we've got to we've got to have better conversations. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just talking about principles rather than issues as much.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I've seen, you know, watched the UK,

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01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 4: you know where there have been two members of Parliament

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Speaker 4: quite brutally murdered in the last six or seven years,

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Speaker 4: appalling stuff, and you know that's they've really up security

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Speaker 4: and thought about things there. We have had MPs injured

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Speaker 4: here in the past, and of course we don't want

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Speaker 4: to get to a point where we do have that

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Speaker 4: the security up around them, but MPs have got a

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Speaker 4: right not to feel threatened as well. And I think

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Speaker 4: we've got to assert that, and we've got to ask

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Speaker 4: public gatherings and people protesting and people attending meetings to

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Speaker 4: respect that that principle.

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Speaker 3: I reckon the way that you fix us in the

1338
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: short term, Nick Mills, is that that guy who's at

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: the hit Maureen Pew with the placard needs to have

1340
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: the full police investigation and actually be charged for assault, right,

1341
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: because then everybody else is going to get the message

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Speaker 3: and not do it one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I mean this is not this is I just can't

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01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 5: understand that we're even having this discussion. I mean, what

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Speaker 5: happens if they hit them too hard and killed them,

1346
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 5: what happens then are they head up for murder? I mean,

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01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 5: this is our politicians doing their job next. Right, that

1348
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 5: should be able to go and speak. They shouldn't have

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Speaker 5: to be worried about security. They should be able to

1350
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 5: be proud of what they want to stand for. If

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Speaker 5: someone disagrees with them, you can stay in protest, you

1352
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 5: can have your say, you can do whatever you want,

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Speaker 5: but keep out of the cylinder and don't damn or

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Speaker 5: touch anybody.

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Speaker 3: No two right, that's very good advice. Hey guys, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it from the pair of you. That's

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Speaker 3: Nick Mills and nicko Ley. Get a huddle this evening

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01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: and slid away from sixth moment.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy allan drive with one New zealand one giant

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01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: Leap for business news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: My great grandfather was an MP. When he was electioneering

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: on the street corners, he wore an old suit to

1365
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 3: cope with the occasional tomatoes and eggs that got thrown

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Speaker 3: at him. There was no security back then. That's from Sue.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Sue. It's five away from six

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Dave Morgan. I'm getting so

1369
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: many texts about why you do not need to stress

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Speaker 3: out about the fact that the pilots are going to

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Speaker 3: be on this reduced course. Apparently it's not the flying

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Speaker 3: part they're going to reduce, it's the theory they have

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 3: to complete in the radio language and the clouds, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And somebody text earlier and said they were a British

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Speaker 3: Airlines pilot. They managed to do the course in something

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Speaker 3: like fourteen months. So if they could do that back

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Speaker 3: in the nineties, these guys can do it. So it

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Speaker 3: doesn't sound like it's a big deal at all anyway,

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Dave Morgan about it when he's

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Speaker 3: with us after six. Yesterday I was talking about the

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Speaker 3: accommodation allowance and how it's totally within the rules, but

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Speaker 3: it looks really really bad for MPs to claim this

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01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 3: accommodation allowance, which we the taxpayer pay for, and then

1384
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: use it to pay for the apartments that they already own,

1385
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 3: right so they live in, they own the apartment, they

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 3: live in the apartment when they're in Wellington, and they

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Speaker 3: claim the accommodation alone to be able to pay for it.

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Speaker 3: So a full list of all of the MPs who

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Speaker 3: do this has been published today. There are twenty three

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Speaker 3: of them. Are you ready? Here we go from National?

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Speaker 3: Tim Costley, Andrew Bailey, Jerry Brownlee, Judith Collins, Paulo Garcia,

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith, Barbara Currieg and Melissa le David McLeod, Mark

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01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: Mitchell Stewart Smith, Louise Upston, Catherine Webb and Vanessa Weenink

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 3: from Labor Kieran McNaughty is actually his wife's, but we'll

1395
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: say it says for now, Willie Jackson, Deborah Russell, Jenny

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Speaker 3: Salissa Jantinetti, Duncan Webb, Arena Williams, and from Act Todd

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Speaker 3: Stevenson and Simon Court. Now there is a because this

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Speaker 3: is a series that's being run in in a paper

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Speaker 3: and as a result, there's a little bit of pressure

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Speaker 3: that's been mounting on the politicians as to what they're

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01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: going to do about it. Both the leaders of the

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Speaker 3: major parties, Chris Hipkins and Chris Luxon, say they are

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Speaker 3: totally happy, totally happy if the rules changed. Don't care

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Speaker 3: at all. It's my favorite old trick. They go, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to change the rules. So like happy

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: if the rules change. But they aren't pledging to change

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Speaker 3: the rules. No, No, they're waiting for the remuneration authority

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Speaker 3: to change the rules. Apparently, according to Chris lux And,

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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: it's up to the remuneration authority to decide if they're

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: comfortable with us or not. Come on, grow a pair.

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Speaker 3: The only reason listen, the only reason that Chris Luxen

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 3: and Chris Hopkins aren't saying yeah, actually, I'm going to

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01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: change this is because they know that there are twenty

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Speaker 3: three MP's who are doing it, and as you could

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Speaker 3: see predominantly in the National Party and Labor Party caucuses,

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01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 3: who are going to be really upset about that. And

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Speaker 3: that's not good if you want to remain the leader, right,

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 3: you don't want to have the MPs upset at you

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01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 3: for taking all that money away from them. So they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't like this either, but I'm not gonna do

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Speaker 3: anything about it. Sort it out. At least they can

1422
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: see that it's not a good look anyway. Dave Morgan's

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01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: with us. Next, we're going to talk to jen a Tibstrani.

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01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: She'll give us who taken Whether this rural banking banking

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01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: inquiry is actually going to come to anything. Probably not,

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 3: but I'd still like to hear the arguments on both sides.

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Speaker 3: News is next News Talks, that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be we're Business Insight the Business Hour. We'd headed Duplessy,

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 2: Allen and my Hr on News.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, we're gonna

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01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: have a chat to Milford Asset Management about whether we're

1432
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: through the worst of the insurance premium hikes, Genative Trainee

1433
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 3: on whether the Rural Banking inquiry will actually achieve anything.

1434
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: And Transparency International on why the proposed lobby and guidelines

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01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: aren't worth the paper that they are written on. At

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Speaker 3: seven past six in New Zealand is future proofing to

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Speaker 3: avoid a pilot shortage, The airline today announced a pilot

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Speaker 3: cadet program where thirty future pilots will be trained on

1439
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 3: a fast track pathway paid for by a New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: The course will be cut from up to three years

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 3: down to fourteen months. Captain Dave Morgan is in New

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01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 3: Zealand's Chief Operational Integrity and Safety Officer and with us now,

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01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: Hey Dave, hi, Heather, how I am well? Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Do you normally train your own pilots?

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Speaker 6: No, this is the first. We've never done it before,

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 6: so this is quite unique for in New Zealand setting

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 6: up the first ever chadetship program for the EN Well,

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01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 6: that's fair.

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01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: Bit of infrastructure you'd have to set.

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 6: Up, isn't It will be these two parts to it.

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01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 6: First part is to send some cadets offshore. We'll be

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 6: doing thirty in tranches of six over the next year

1453
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 6: or so up to Arizona and then on to Dubai

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Speaker 6: for the completion of their training. That will take fourteen months.

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01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 6: And while that's going on, we've released today expressions of

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 6: interest to the aviation industry to training organizations to set

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01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 6: up and work in partnership with us to set up

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01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 6: the chadetship program here in museum.

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Speaker 3: Why did you guys decide to do this.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a global shortage of pilots and that shortages

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Speaker 6: this can need to grow over time. Airlines are expanding

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01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 6: in New Zealand will grow and also there's an aging

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01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 6: pilot issue as well, with guys requiring and what have you.

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 6: Not short of pilots at the moment, but we do

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01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 6: need to future proof, as you said, the supply lines

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 6: of pilots to the airline. What this will do an

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Speaker 6: actual fact we'll do it is something between twenty five

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Speaker 6: and thirty percent of the annual requirement of pilots for

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01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 6: the airline per year and we expect it to be

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Speaker 6: an enduring process going forward. So quite exciting and very

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 6: invaib And why fast track, Well, it's not the reality

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Speaker 6: is that the process at the moment and the traditional

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 6: processes pilots go to a training school and it typically

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01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 6: takes a couple of years to get their qualification, and

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 6: then they have to go and then do extra hours

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01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 6: flying with a thirty air line before they can come

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 6: to a New Zealand. If they do an immersive course

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 6: that's associated with the airline and it's souf under the

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 6: regulatory system, they can then once they return to New

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 6: Zealand start flying with the airline immediately. So that's the

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Speaker 6: difference between the fourteen hours that the cadets will take

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01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 6: and then the sort of two and a half years

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 6: that typically pilot going through the normal system will take.

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Speaker 3: So we're not going to get dud pilots because they

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 3: haven't done the full course, are we No?

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Speaker 6: No, No, the many airlines around the world actually do

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 6: training in a similar sort of way, So no, we're

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01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 6: going to get to top quality pilots that are coming

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Speaker 6: through the system. Are we going onto the ATR that's

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Speaker 6: the airplane that flies somewhere between Kerry Carey and the

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01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 6: northern Icago to the south, and they'll be in the

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Speaker 6: right hand set of that aircraft from day one, So

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Speaker 6: really really exciting.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, while I've got you what did

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Speaker 3: you make of Singapore Airlines offering that compo for the turbulence.

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01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's interesting. We're obviously monitoring that. The reality is

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01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 6: compensation for passengers is actually governed under a convention that's

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01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 6: known as the Montreal Convention, which New Zealand is a country,

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Speaker 6: is a signatory to that under the International Civil Aviation Organization.

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01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 6: The liability of each areas and the compensation to be

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01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 6: paid to passengers is actually defined through that process. And

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 6: notwithstanding what the Singapore Airlines have done, of course is

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 6: obviously still the investigation to be completed and the other

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 6: matters to be considered undoubtedly by the legal system. But

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01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 6: I think it's an appropriate thing for the airline to

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 6: have obviously done that. There was a significant event for

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 6: a lot of people, and as a consequence of that,

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 6: obviously had to be appropriate remedy needed to be considered

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Speaker 6: by the airline for those customers.

1511
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: And you of the view, which is something that's come

1512
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 3: out of Reading University that this shaer air turbulence is

1513
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 3: going to get a whole lot worse now because of

1514
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 3: climate change.

1515
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I am of the view that the atmosphere

1516
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 6: is become a more energetic as a result of global warming,

1517
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 6: and the reality is that with more heat in the atmosphere,

1518
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 6: you get more convective cloud which is probably the root

1519
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 6: cause of what's occurred here with Singapore the alliance, and

1520
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 6: that means that clouds of building in the aeroplane obviously

1521
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 6: either flew very close to one that was building or

1522
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 6: flew into it, and that caused the clear inturberance which

1523
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 6: has resulted in these injuries. So yeah, I am of

1524
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 6: the view that we need to be more cognizant of

1525
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 6: the risks associated with clear interurbulance. And my message to

1526
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 6: our customers, as we do when we find there a plane,

1527
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 6: is to strongly advise our customers to always have they

1528
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,520
Speaker 6: seek out for us and the emphast sign it's not illuminated.

1529
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're all sorry to understand why, David,

1530
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 3: Thank you so much appreciated, Captain David Morgan of Air

1531
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: New Zealand. Heather, are you suggesting that the MPs should

1532
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 3: sell their apartments in Wellington and read someone else's Of course,

1533
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 3: they should have the accommodation allowance hither can you please

1534
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: explain why politicians shouldn't claim the allowance when they decide

1535
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: to buy a house in Wellington for their work. Yes,

1536
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 3: I can, because it's totally fine within the rules. It

1537
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 3: looks so bad. I'll tell you what if these politicians

1538
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 3: can not see how bad this looks. I mean, it's

1539
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: entirely a perception thing, right, I'm not arguing, like, I

1540
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 3: understand that if we go okay, you can't claim the

1541
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 3: allowed It used to be the way, by the way,

1542
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 3: it used to be the rules that before I from

1543
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 3: what I understand before John Key got involved, that there

1544
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 3: was a like, if you lived in your own apartment,

1545
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: you were able to claim a smaller amount than if

1546
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 3: you were renting off somebody else. The problem with it is,

1547
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 3: I do understand that if we say the rules change,

1548
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 3: you can't claim the same amount if you live in

1549
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: your own apartment. I understand. The only thing that's going

1550
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 3: to happen is this is the smart thing rational thing

1551
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: to do is if you are living in your own apartment,

1552
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: you move out, you rent it off to somebody else,

1553
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 3: get the full amount of rent, Go go live in

1554
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 3: somebody else's apartment, rent an apartment and claim the full

1555
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 3: allowance that you can. Right, That's rationally a financial thing

1556
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 3: to do, and the taxpayers no better off, but the

1557
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: politician is better off because it doesn't look dodgy, because

1558
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 3: even though it's not dodgy, it looks dodgy. And there's

1559
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: a perception problem here. And if you do not believe

1560
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 3: that perception matters, then you are a fool. And so

1561
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 3: they should be thinking about this. But they're not thinking

1562
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: about it, are they they? So I think you about

1563
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 3: their dollars. Fourteen past six.

1564
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather du

1565
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: for c Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR,

1566
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME on news talksb.

1567
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: It's coming up seventeen past six. Now there is a

1568
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 3: spectacle of the who's who in banking, finance and politics

1569
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 3: in the making after the government today announced a public

1570
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 3: inquiry into competition in the banking sector. Parliament's Finance and

1571
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 3: Expenditure Committee will lead the inquiry. Genative Traine as The

1572
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 3: Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us, hey, do you know, hey, Heather,

1573
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 3: are we going to get the banking top brass in there?

1574
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: We are?

1575
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 5: We are?

1576
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 22: This is going to be a spectacle. As you said,

1577
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 22: the Nichola Willis, the Finance Minister, has said that she

1578
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 22: wants the bank CEOs and chairpeople to be brought before

1579
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 22: the Finance and Expenditure Committee. That's a committee made up

1580
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 22: of politicians, you know, and you know, politicians from all

1581
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 22: the parties. She wants the big bosses brought before the

1582
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 22: committees and questioned on the competition or the lack thereof

1583
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 22: in the banking sector. Now, she'd like the politicians to

1584
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 22: look at not just retail banking, so you know, not

1585
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 22: just what we pay on our mortgages and receive for

1586
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 22: our term deposits, but also look at business banking and

1587
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 22: rural banking. So the business and the rural banking are

1588
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 22: two types of banking that aren'ts included in a review

1589
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 22: that the Communst Commission is currently doing as well into

1590
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 22: competition in the banking sector.

1591
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: Do you think that there is a case to answer here?

1592
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 22: Look, I think this, you know, this is an issue.

1593
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 22: The Commus Commission, I believe is best place to look

1594
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 22: at it because you know, it's made up of experts

1595
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 22: and it's doing a deep dive. It's taking a better

1596
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 22: year to look into the issue.

1597
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 3: You know, the Communs Commission is not looking at rural lending,

1598
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 3: is it?

1599
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: No?

1600
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 5: It isn't.

1601
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 22: Yeah, so that's a good point. So, you know, and

1602
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 22: actually that's an argument that maybe the Commus Commission should

1603
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 22: should have included that, and definitely should have included business banking.

1604
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 22: But I think what this will do is provide the

1605
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 22: politicians with a bit of a platform to, you know,

1606
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 22: to to grandstand on the issue, but hopefully actually also

1607
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 22: achieve something. I think this will receive a lot of

1608
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 22: media attention having those bank bosses quizzed and also having

1609
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 22: the regulators quizzed. So now that's another interesting part of this.

1610
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 22: This isn't just going to be the bank boss is

1611
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 22: getting a bit of a wallopping from the politicians. It's

1612
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,839
Speaker 22: going to be the regulators as well, because some parties

1613
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 22: particularly act you know, points towards regulation as there is

1614
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 22: reim competition.

1615
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 3: You know, there is real pressure coming on the Reserve

1616
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 3: Bank about these capital requirements right.

1617
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 22: There is there is now the Commisis Commission and its

1618
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 22: draft report pointed to the Reserve Bank's capital rules. These

1619
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 22: rules are there to keep banks safe, prevent them from collapsing.

1620
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 22: But the ComCom was worried that you know that the

1621
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 22: rules are preventing banks from lending to productive parts of

1622
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 22: the economy and you know, making it difficult for the

1623
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 22: small banks to compete with the big ones. The ComCom

1624
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,440
Speaker 22: raising this issue has given the banks oxygen, also businesses,

1625
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 22: the rural sect. It's given them all oxygen to say

1626
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 22: these we don't like these bank capital rules. But if

1627
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 22: people have been following the news, the Reserve Bank isn't

1628
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 22: having a bar of it and is saying, no, we're sticking.

1629
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: To the rules.

1630
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 22: We're not changing the rules. So you know, so having

1631
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 22: the Reserve Bank appear before the politicians will also actually

1632
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 22: probably be one of the most interesting parts of the

1633
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 22: inquiry to watch.

1634
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah too write Hey, Jena, thank you as always appreciated.

1635
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next week. Jenatib Trainey, The Herald's

1636
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 3: Wellington Business editor, Heather, when you go to Wellington for

1637
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 3: ZB radio, I suppose you pay for the hotel with

1638
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 3: your own money? Yeah right, cheers Derek. Well No, Derek,

1639
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 3: that's not quite the same. That's not quite the correct analogy.

1640
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: The correct analogy would have been when I was living

1641
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 3: in Wellington and in Auckland at the same time for

1642
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 3: work which I was doing, and then would go to

1643
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 3: Wellington for work. Did I expect work to pay for

1644
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 3: my accommodation or did I just go and live in

1645
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: the house that I lived in? Yeah, that's what I did.

1646
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 3: It was free, well done, I just lived in the house.

1647
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 3: That's the same thing. The equivalent me doing the equivalent

1648
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 3: would have been saying to my boss Jason, how much

1649
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 3: is the hotel going to cost you? I'll have three

1650
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: hundred bucks thanks, Like what, that's a terrible look. That's

1651
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 3: why I didn't do it. That's why he would do.

1652
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 3: By the way, we have an accountant as the CEO.

1653
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 3: There's no way in hell he would have said yes.

1654
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: It would have been like absolutely not on you and Alley,

1655
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 3: do you still want your job? So no, no, but

1656
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 3: thanks for pointing that out. Thanks for allowing me to

1657
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: make the point once again. Anyway, looks like the guy

1658
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,799
Speaker 3: who's running Auckland Transport is going to get a contract extension.

1659
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 3: This is Dean Kimpton. Dean Kimpton did a funny little

1660
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 3: thing when he signed for the job in April twenty

1661
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 3: three last year. Right, he decided to go for an

1662
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 3: eighteen month fixed term contract. He didn't want to do

1663
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: any more than that, just eighteen months. See if he

1664
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 3: could turn the thing around that expires September thirty hasn't

1665
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 3: turned the thing around as a big ship to turn around.

1666
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 3: It's a very big, stubborn shipful of bad ideas to

1667
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 3: turn around. So he and at In talks about extending it,

1668
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 3: and by the sounds of things, it's gonna happen, because

1669
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: he sounds like he's keen. I would love to have

1670
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: been a fly on the wall when Wayne Brown read

1671
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 3: that this morning, because he hates at and I think,

1672
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 3: by the sounds of things, maybe quite disappointed in the

1673
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 3: approach that Dean Kimpton is taking. So that would have

1674
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 3: been an interesting little thing. Six twenty two.

1675
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1676
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

1677
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME used talks.

1678
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 3: Ab AT six twenty four. Do you remember the lobbying

1679
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 3: rules that Chris Hopkins proposed last year in the wake

1680
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: of all that kafuffle that was going on. I think

1681
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 3: with Stu Nash or something like. I don't remember which

1682
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 3: one it was, but it was one of the Erran

1683
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 3: tmps and he was like, I'll fix this with these rules.

1684
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 3: And at the time we were all like that's not

1685
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 3: going to work. Well, guess what, it's a bust. So

1686
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Transparency International about it though,

1687
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 3: with us in maybe about fifteen minutes time. First of all, though,

1688
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 3: from Milford Acid Management, Michael Lukmichael, Hey hever, what's bind

1689
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 3: the increase in Tower Insurance's profit expectations yesterday?

1690
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 23: Well, it will certainly a positive update from Tower, and

1691
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 23: it was actually a third profit upgrade this year, which

1692
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 23: is a big turnaround after losing money last year with

1693
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 23: the weaber events. Now Tower has actually undergone a big

1694
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 23: strategic turnaround in recent years which has helped them compete

1695
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 23: with the much larger Australian owned insurance and has also

1696
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 23: helped them improve their own profitability. I think it's also

1697
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 23: fair to say that Tower has benefited from much higher

1698
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 23: prices on the back of last year's events and also

1699
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 23: a general reduction in insurance claims this year with much

1700
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 23: better weather.

1701
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: And so why have.

1702
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: Insurance costs gone up so much lately?

1703
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 23: Well, they have gone up quite a lot, and I'm

1704
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 23: sure anyone looking at their insurance policy renewal has had

1705
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 23: a bit of a shock and it was actually a

1706
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 23: standout in recent inflation data where motor and home insurance

1707
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 23: has gone up by about twenty to thirty percent. Now

1708
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 23: that's really been driven by three things, I guess. Firstly,

1709
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 23: New Zealand reinsurance costs went up significantly last year after

1710
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 23: the Aucklands and cyclone, which costs the industry about four

1711
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 23: billion dollars. And reinsurances where insurance insurance companies like Tower

1712
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 23: go and get their own insurance for large events like floods.

1713
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 23: So those costs have gone up a lot with these

1714
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 23: events happening more frequently than the one to one hundred

1715
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 23: years that a model would suggest. And then secondly, claim

1716
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 23: costs have also gone up a lot, where modern cars

1717
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 23: are getting more expensive to repair with all their sensors

1718
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 23: and technology, and home as home repair costs have also

1719
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 23: gone up with building inflation. And then I think finally

1720
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 23: we've also seen insurers sung to adopt more risk based

1721
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 23: pricing or increasing prices for houses and flood zones or

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Speaker 23: vehicles that get stolen frequently, such as the Toyota Aqua

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Speaker 23: or Mesdademia.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon that we're passed the peak in these

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Speaker 3: insurance costs or is there more to come?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 23: I think the good news is that the worst has

1728
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 23: passed and these price increases really relate to events last year,

1729
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 23: but take time to roll through as policies for new

1730
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 23: So I think looking at here cost inflation is easy.

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01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 23: Reinsurance costs should stabilize without any more large events, and

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01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 23: that should all flow through it to much lower but

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01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 23: still potentially high single digit low double digit price increases

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Speaker 23: next year. I also think it's worth mentioning that with

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01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 23: risk based pricing, it could also result in a wider

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01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 23: range and insurance costs between cars, houses and also between

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Speaker 23: insurance companies. So it is with shopping around it and

1738
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,839
Speaker 23: looking at insurance costs when you are looking to purchase

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01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 23: a new car or home, and maybe just avoiding the

1740
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Speaker 23: Toyota Aqua, which was New Zealand's most stolen car last year.

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Speaker 3: That's a good piece of advice, Michael, Thank you very

1742
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 3: much appreciated. Michael Luke of Milfed Asset Management. Listen, I've

1743
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 3: got a yarn for you from the courts. If you

1744
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: love the judges getting shown up, as I guess just

1745
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 3: as suckers for a good yarn, you're gonna love this one.

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01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: So stay tune. Will deal with that. Headlines and next

1747
01:22:52,960 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 3: News to Zippi, everything.

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Speaker 2: From SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with

1749
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, the HR platform for

1750
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: SME US talks.

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Speaker 1: That'd be so.

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Speaker 21: I remember when we were driving.

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01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,520
Speaker 1: Driving in your car, speeds are faster.

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01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 9: Feller like, I'm a drum seriously before us in your arm.

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01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Fell and I drive around my sar.

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Speaker 3: Hey getting great with us in about ten minutes. Out

1757
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Speaker 3: of the UK. Apparently, well, they've got the trooping of

1758
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 3: the color this weekend and apparently there are some anti

1759
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 3: monarchy protests that are planned for that and as a result,

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01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: the cops are planning to block that and that that's

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01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 3: getting them some criticism. He'll talk us through it. When

1762
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 3: he's with us. I'm also going to run you through

1763
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 3: the thing that has been going on in the courts.

1764
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 3: You are going to want to hear. That's just another

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01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 3: yarn out of the courts, isn't it. Do you realize

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01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 3: just out of interest this has actually been around for

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01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 3: a little while, but I only realized this today. There

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,799
Speaker 3: are about two thousand Brits who are banned from traveling

1769
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 3: to Germany for Euro twenty twenty four because of football hooliganism.

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Speaker 3: That's how badly they're back. Two thousand, two thousand of

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Speaker 3: them are banned for being bad. Nearly two hundred are

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 3: just from this past football season in London. It's about

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01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety seven of them and in one

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Speaker 3: month alone in April, seventy nine of them. It's a

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 3: real problem they've got over there, and they were the

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01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 3: bad behavior twenty three away from seven. Now do you

1777
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 3: remember the crackdown on lobbying that Chris Hapkins promised in

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01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 3: April last year when he was Prime Minister. Well, it

1779
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 3: looks like that's going nowhere fast. The Ministry of Justice

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01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 3: drew up a code of conduct for lobbyists and then

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01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: went ahead and asked lobbyists to help design it even further.

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Speaker 3: Significant changes were made and now apparently it's not worth

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01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 3: the paper it's written on. Transparency International CEO Julie Haggi

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01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: is with us a.

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Speaker 24: Julie, Oh, kyodo, good to Leach.

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Speaker 3: It's very good to talk to you. Some of those

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: changes were material, weren't they.

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Speaker 24: Oh, The changes from the original draft Ministry drew up,

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01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 24: which was based on best practice, to the one that resulted.

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Speaker 24: That eventuated after they'd talked with the ministry with the

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01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 24: lobbyists was like chalk and cheese. So it was just

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01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 24: every single element, just about every single element of actual conduct,

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Speaker 24: that is what you would actually do to prove that

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01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 24: you really had ethical standards, was removed. So it's not

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01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 24: really a code of conduct. It was a code of

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01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 24: intending to be nice.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me. One of the things that they

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01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 3: did was they redefined lobbyists as anyone trying to influence

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Speaker 3: the government. But that would be like any citizen that

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Speaker 3: goes up to any member of the government would suddenly

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Speaker 3: be a lobbyist, wouldn't.

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Speaker 24: They anybody who turned up at Parliament with flag and protested,

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Speaker 24: anybody who met anybody, anybody wrote a letter, anybody possibly

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01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 24: who attended Parliament and clapped. You know, honestly, there's good

1805
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 24: models for what is defined as lobbyist overseas, and we

1806
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 24: usually follow overseas good practice, and in this case we

1807
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 24: just seem to be neandering around. We're where there's clear sure,

1808
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 24: sure there's arguments about where the edges of that are,

1809
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 24: but it's you know, a third party lobbyists. It's people

1810
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 24: who are lobbying on behalf of another organization. Or the

1811
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 24: lobbying largely for their own organization, like a like a

1812
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 24: union or a powerful professional group. We know, we know

1813
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 24: generally who they are. So it's it's that that that

1814
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 24: trying to broaden it out so it becomes amorphous is

1815
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 24: just ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Well what do you make of Ewie who said that

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01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 3: they didn't want their lobbyists to be considered lobbyists because

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01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 3: they're different, they're treaty partners.

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Speaker 24: Well, yeah, that's another good it's another good argument. I

1820
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 24: hadn't actually taken that into the.

1821
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 3: Press, just trying to get out of being defined as

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Speaker 3: a lobbyist.

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Speaker 24: I think, you know, it's about transparency no matter what.

1824
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 24: There will be sometimes we will lobby on an issue

1825
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 24: and sometimes they'll have conversations. So maybe they are also

1826
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 24: non you know, maybe there's there's other international models that

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01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 24: show you there's a difference between those elements as well.

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01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 24: So you know, But but when you're going up and

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01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 24: you're saying we think this, you making a decision on this,

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01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 24: you're putting out a position on this, we think this

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01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 24: should be the way that you should do it, then

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01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 24: that's and here is our proposal that is how you

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01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 24: should do it. Then that's lobbying.

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Speaker 19: Really yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean the other problem with it was there was

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Speaker 3: going to be voluntary. It really needs to be mandatory,

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01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 3: doesn't it.

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01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 24: Well, there has to be some mandatory elements if you

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01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 24: otherwise it's pointless. It would have been great, though, we

1840
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 24: could have had self regulation and a strong if the

1841
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 24: lobbying sector had actually said, yes, we face risk. Yes,

1842
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 24: the work that we do involves risk of conflict and

1843
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 24: interest of undue influence, you know, and so and that's

1844
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 24: why you would need to have ethical standards. But we

1845
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 24: didn't see any of that. But they didn't talk about that.

1846
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 24: So so that would have been if they'd been able

1847
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 24: to say we need to have that and we are

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01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 24: going to make sure that happened, then you could have

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01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 24: possibly stepp down, have a go, you know. But no,

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01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 24: now now it just says, well, no, you really do

1851
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 24: need regulation. And that was the second part of this

1852
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 24: proposal back in last year, to have regulation, and that

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01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 24: we haven't seen anything mentioned about that recently, so that's

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 24: the really important part of it.

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Speaker 3: Mark Unsworth, who's been in the industry for something like

1856
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: thirty years, reckons this is probably going to go the

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01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,560
Speaker 3: way of every other attempt to regulate lobbyists and just

1858
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 3: eventually just die a death. What do you think.

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Speaker 24: I think that we're going to get a pushback from

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01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 24: overseas and also a pushback from people in New Zealand.

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01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 3: Who overseas cares about this.

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Speaker 24: Well, there are things like there are international mechanisms like

1863
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 24: the United Nations Conventional against Corruption which have a look

1864
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 24: at we in New Zealand sits in terms of its

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01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 24: control of potential corruption across various areas and political corruptions there,

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01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 24: and there's a number of those that apply. So we

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01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 24: might get a bit of pushback there, and I think

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Speaker 24: we'll get pushed back from New Zealand there twenty twenty Values,

1869
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 24: so they said that a lot of New Zealanders feel

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01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 24: that New Zealand that the government is being affected by

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01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 24: strong groups, strong industry groups, and so there is that

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01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 24: element as well that people say, look, I want to

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01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 24: see more, I want to know who they are, I

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01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,839
Speaker 24: want to see them having to be called to account.

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Speaker 24: And that's so I think there will be a push

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01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 24: against that. I don't think he's quite that approach. Also,

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Speaker 24: I'm not sure if I've heard him call for greater

1878
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 24: ethical standards either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Julie, thank you. Well, I don't ask me. I

1880
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 3: don't know, but you're no more than me. Listen, I

1881
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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time. Julie Haggie, Transparency International New Zealand CEO.

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01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 3: All right, here you go. This is the one from

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01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 3: the courts. Okay Chap appeared and caught in Tiawa Mutu

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01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 3: yesterday for sentencing after he gave his wife the bash.

1885
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 3: He gave her the bash because he didn't like something

1886
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 3: that she did on social media, and so he attacked her,

1887
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 3: grabbed her clothing, pulled her towards him and hit her.

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01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 3: He at some point had some common sense about him,

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01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 3: took the sun into another room, came back and then

1890
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 3: kicked his wife, closed a door on her fingers, and

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01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 3: at one stage Weirdo bit her fingers as well. So

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01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 3: bad the judge described it as involving quite significant violence.

1893
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 3: The judge then said, and what you shows is you

1894
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 3: have an attitude towards your wife that has no place

1895
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 3: in this country. Attitude. Why could we say that you've

1896
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 3: got an attitude towards your wife. Well, because it's not

1897
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 3: the first time the cops were called to that house.

1898
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 3: Was a number of callouts for domestic violence first time

1899
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 3: though that it actually led to charges. Now, what is

1900
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,839
Speaker 3: important here is that the chap is an Indian migrant.

1901
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: He and his wife have been here nine years. And

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01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 3: the reason that's important is because of the argument that

1903
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 3: the lawyer then uses. Has lawyer argued that the reason

1904
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 3: not this bit. Wait, well, I suppose this bit too.

1905
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 3: The lawyer argued that the reason that this chap gave

1906
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 3: his wife the bash was a combination of his wife's

1907
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 3: social media use and quote cultural factors behind the offending.

1908
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 3: Cool good argument, lawyer, But he turned a corner. He'd

1909
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 3: put himself on a non violence counseling course and had

1910
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 3: not appeared before the court before because no charge has

1911
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 3: been laid every other time he bashed her. By the

1912
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 3: sounds of things, this is where the the fact that

1913
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 3: he's an immigrant comes into it. Please see the lawyer.

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01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Can he be discharged without conviction? Otherwise he's going to

1915
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 3: be deported? And what did the judge do? Discharged him

1916
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 3: without conviction? Sucker seventeen away from seven.

1917
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1918
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and my Hr,

1919
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme US talks.

1920
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 3: It'd be Devin Gray UK corresponds with us right now

1921
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 3: even in Gavin Hi there, Heather, So your economy has

1922
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:32,440
Speaker 3: been flatlining.

1923
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's quite a depressing image for the Conservative government

1924
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 17: at the moment. The economy absolutely static, pretty flatline for

1925
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 17: the month of April. It was pretty widely expected. It

1926
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 17: comes after record growth for the previous three months. But

1927
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 17: this dip is a real problem. But it's a dip

1928
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 17: because effectively the Conservatives have made the economy an absolute

1929
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 17: central core issue to their general election campaigning now just

1930
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 17: three weeks away. So, as I said, economists have predicted

1931
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 17: this zero percent performance, saying that actually, wet weather a

1932
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Speaker 17: very bad start to our summer. As I've been boring

1933
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 17: everyone with, that has really hit retail sales in particular,

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Speaker 17: and also construction output has really been hit hard. We've

1935
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Speaker 17: had a lot of rain affecting that construction output. So

1936
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Speaker 17: over the long term the picture is still more positive,

1937
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 17: but it's a headline this government could do without. The

1938
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 17: recent opinion polls are suggesting that Rishie Sunac's party is

1939
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 17: in for an absolute hammering at this election. Although I

1940
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Speaker 17: have to say these opinion polls can sometimes be pretty

1941
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 17: far out of the truth, though everyone seems to think

1942
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Speaker 17: this is what's going to happen.

1943
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say so. By the sounds of things, it's

1944
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Speaker 3: not going to be good. Hey, so what are the

1945
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 3: cops planning for the anti monarchy protests?

1946
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Speaker 5: Yes?

1947
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Speaker 17: Interesting, So Saturday marks a very very big day for

1948
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 17: the royals really in that it's trooping the Color that

1949
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 17: takes place right in the heart of London Horseguard's Parade

1950
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Speaker 17: near Buckingham Palace. And normally the monarch will make this

1951
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 17: a big appearance of the year, and the King is

1952
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 17: going to do that. But the anti monarchy group republic

1953
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Speaker 17: wants to hold a protest as well. Now, fair enough,

1954
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Speaker 17: all everybody entitled to their opinion. But they have now

1955
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 17: been written to by police saying, well, actually, according to

1956
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 17: the European Convention on Human Rights, we're going to close

1957
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 17: down that vrotus. We're not going to let you protest there. Instead,

1958
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 17: you have got to protest around the corner, away from

1959
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 17: the public and away from the parade and away from

1960
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Speaker 17: the media.

1961
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Speaker 9: Well, the Republican group.

1962
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Speaker 17: Is saying, look, this is ridiculous, this is really spurious.

1963
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Speaker 17: Grounds that are protests would deny spectators the right to

1964
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Speaker 17: enjoy the parade and says human rights legislation quote does

1965
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Speaker 17: not provide.

1966
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Speaker 9: A right to enjoy a day out.

1967
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 17: Way, this is going to go backwards and forwards, I

1968
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 17: sense here, but it is seeming to be a remarkable

1969
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 17: sort of change in heart from the police over how

1970
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 17: they police big events involving the monarchy, or remember the

1971
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 17: row over the coronation and how that event was marred

1972
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 17: by some Republicans, it was argued and other Republicans saying,

1973
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 17: you know, we were only making our voices heard, and

1974
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 17: yet you led us away on police fans. Anyway, a

1975
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 17: big day coming out watch this space on Saturday.

1976
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Speaker 3: It's you're right, hey Denmark, how spicy are these noodles?

1977
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 21: Oh?

1978
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 17: Well, I only like mild food, so way too spicy

1979
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,879
Speaker 17: for me. But Denmark has recorded several very popular spicy

1980
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 17: noodle products by a South Korean company, claiming that the

1981
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 17: levels of cap skin in them could cause poison or

1982
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 17: for the consumers. I mean they're banning three flavors, all

1983
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 17: pretty fiery from sam Yang the production company. Three times

1984
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 17: spicy and hot chicken, two times spicy and hot chicken

1985
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,919
Speaker 17: and chicken stew have all been banned by Denmark's food agency.

1986
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 17: They're saying that effectively, the amount of this product or

1987
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 17: this particular compound, which is what causes the chilliness the

1988
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 17: hotness to eat when you're tasting it. They say the

1989
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 17: amount is so high that it could actually pose a

1990
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 17: risk to consumer developing acute poisoning. And they're saying, if

1991
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 17: you've bought the products, discard them or return them to

1992
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 17: the store, do not eat them. No response yet from

1993
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 17: the company that made them.

1994
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's something specific to peculiar to the

1995
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 3: UK pellets, if you know what I mean, it can't

1996
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 3: be yeah, yes, or in Denmark.

1997
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 17: Yeah, they must like mild food you see.

1998
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, thank you very much, Gavin, look after yourself.

1999
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: That's Devin Gray are UK corresponding. Apparently there's a few

2000
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 3: that I didn't realize this between Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish.

2001
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 3: So what happened is and these are two of the

2002
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 3: probably the biggest female artists at the moment right Billy

2003
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 3: Eiliss just put out a R album, Rey's really great album,

2004
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 3: and Taita obviously has a huge bunch of fans. Her

2005
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 3: album actually sucked a little bit this time around, but anyway,

2006
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 3: So Tata put out her album on April nineteen, and

2007
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 3: then about a month later, Billie Eilish put out her

2008
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 3: album on May seventeen, but Taita then chose the same

2009
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 3: day May seventeen to put out two new editions of

2010
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: her album, right like almost like a spoiler for Billie Eilish. Well,

2011
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,440
Speaker 3: that made Billie Eilish's manager very very cross. He reposted

2012
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 3: someone else's me social media posts which said Taita was

2013
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 3: doing everything to prevent other artists from shining, and obviously

2014
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 3: thought better of it and deleted it. And it appears

2015
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 3: Billy Eilish has been taking potshots at Taja because she

2016
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,440
Speaker 3: on one occasion said that three hour concerts are psychotic,

2017
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 3: and Taita's latest concerts are famously three and a half

2018
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: hours long. And also then she criticized musicians who released

2019
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 3: multiple vinyl versions of the same album because she said

2020
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 3: it was wasteful and bad for the environment. She tries

2021
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 3: very hard to be sustainable and stuff, and that's of

2022
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: course exactly what Taita's done, put out heaps vinyl albums. Anyway,

2023
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,560
Speaker 3: now sources close to Tata outright having a crack and

2024
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 3: calling Billie Eilish, jealous and so on. So now with

2025
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, Ka, I'm telling you this,

2026
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 3: but I'm also going to tell you to take it

2027
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,560
Speaker 3: with a grain of salt, because there is nothing that

2028
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: Tata loves more than like a public feud. And sometimes

2029
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that they are real. I just think

2030
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 3: she does it to kind of just generate more news

2031
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: and get people listening to her album again eight away

2032
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 3: from seven, whether.

2033
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 2: It's Macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all on

2034
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 2: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

2035
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme Used talksip Hey.

2036
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 3: Michael, the producer who's in today says, there's a fun

2037
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 3: fact for you. Tata has released her album in thirty

2038
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 3: one different versions, so every version has just like a

2039
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 3: slight variation on the last one. So sometimes she'll just

2040
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 3: do an acoustic track or something. One of the tracks

2041
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 3: will just be acoustic randomly thirty one, Michael, Are they

2042
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 3: all like? Is every single one of them pressed in

2043
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 3: vinyl and CD as well? Not all of them, only

2044
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 3: some of them, thank god, mostly CDs. Oh Jesus over

2045
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 3: the top, isn't it? Hey? You know how I keep

2046
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 3: telling you weird stuff happens in Dunedin. That's because weird

2047
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 3: stuff happens in Dunedan. What about this one? Okay, yesterday

2048
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 3: a guy went into the New World Gardens in Dunedin

2049
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 3: and Dunedin what's up? By the way, guy went into

2050
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 3: the New World Gardens and like New World Gardens location

2051
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 3: in Donedan and nicks some stuff. Okay, security is twenty

2052
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 3: two years old. Security guard chases him through the nearby

2053
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 3: Dunedin Botanic Garden. He then gets to the Water of

2054
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 3: Leith and thinks the best way to deal with this

2055
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 3: is to go through the water of Releith, so it

2056
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 3: takes off his top and through he goes right. Then

2057
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,759
Speaker 3: he tries to further his escape by getting on a scooter,

2058
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 3: an e scooter, and making making his way away, but

2059
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 3: somehow somebody reports him to the coppers. Bloke a bloke,

2060
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 3: shirtless bloke in the winter on an e scooter, So

2061
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 3: the coppers find them. What did he steal that warranted

2062
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 3: this mad escape running through water on an e scooter

2063
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: and everything coffee and cream? Weird, Danita, If you're going

2064
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 3: to nick something and you're going to make such a

2065
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 3: mad dash for it. I don't want to tell you

2066
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 3: to do to nick better stuff, but anyway, ants, what

2067
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 3: have you got?

2068
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 14: Guilty as Sin by Taylor? Sooft to play us out tonight?

2069
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 14: Let's see how many of the thirty one versions I

2070
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 14: can get through before we have to wrap up today.

2071
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 14: Let's say there was the initial release, and then there

2072
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 14: was the four separate releases, which each had a different

2073
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 14: bonus track. Then there was the anthology release, Then there

2074
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,839
Speaker 14: was the Target exclusive release. Then there was three releases

2075
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 14: with different bonus tracks that had first draft phone memo

2076
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 14: versions of them. Then there were three more CD releases.

2077
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 14: Then there was the one with the Live from Paris

2078
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 14: bonus track. Then how much time do we have left here?

2079
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 5: Heather?

2080
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 14: I'm not even halfway through this treacherous mash up live

2081
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 14: from Paris bonus track. There's the one with the but

2082
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 14: Daddy I Love Him acoustic bonus track, the one with

2083
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 14: the down Bad acoustic bonus track, the one with this

2084
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 14: song Guilty a Sin as an acoustic bonus track, foot

2085
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:48,679
Speaker 14: Not acoustic track, and the Fresh out the Slammer acoustic

2086
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 14: bonus track.

2087
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 3: Is the phone memo thing when she first comes up

2088
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 3: with the tune and then she records it on her

2089
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 3: phone as a memo.

2090
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 14: Yes, Michael is a much bigger Taylor's fan than me.

2091
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 3: Michael, have you heard that? You've heard those? Do they

2092
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 3: bear any resemblance to the finished track?

2093
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 4: Yes?

2094
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 3: Most of them do? Oh geez, some of them don't.

2095
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 3: How funny. That's that's interesting. I mean, that's that's for

2096
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 3: the hardcore fans out there, isn't it? And that was

2097
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 3: a great list. I appreciated that content, think very much.

2098
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Enjoy your evening, See you tomorrow.

2099
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 3: Guilty as.

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Speaker 9: Decently, don't.

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01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I?

2102
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Speaker 24: Oh my love to cry.

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