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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither dup to see Ellen drive with One new

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Speaker 2: Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 1: News Talk sed B.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 3: There are more allegations against the Maori Party. We're going

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Speaker 3: to speak to political commentator Bryce Edwards about that the

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Speaker 3: Auckland property market got a little bit of a boost

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Speaker 3: last month, so Peter Thompson of Barford and Thompson will explain,

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Speaker 3: and also we'll speak to one of the shop owners

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Speaker 3: who's affected by the crime in Auckland Central. We'll do

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Speaker 3: that after half past five. Heather Dupen on that subject,

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Speaker 3: I was really interested in that Auckland Central crime meeting

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Speaker 3: with the Police Minister last night. If it wasn't that

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Speaker 3: the thing was scheduled at half past six, when this

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Speaker 3: show was still on the air, I would have actually

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Speaker 3: gone along because I got Make Mitchell's flyer in the

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Speaker 3: letterbox inviting me to come along. I live in Auckland

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Speaker 3: Central and also because I work in Auckland Central as well.

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Speaker 3: I really care very very deeply about the crime in

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Speaker 3: my neighborhood. I'll tell you what I am not happy

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Speaker 3: about it at all. We live within hearing of the

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Speaker 3: Ponsonbye Road shooting, which happened a few weeks back. We

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Speaker 3: constantly have unsavory characters just loitering on our street at

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Speaker 3: the moment doing god knows what. Got a couple of

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Speaker 3: guys who pitched a tent in the local park and

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Speaker 3: a few months now. Sometimes they just smoke weed, smoke

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Speaker 3: weed or a quite fragrant flagrantly out there. I made

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Speaker 3: a conscious decision about a month ago that at nighttime now,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to drive. I'm not going to walk

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Speaker 3: drive them instead, because I just don't think it's safe

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Speaker 3: anymore when it's dark. So I want something done. As

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Speaker 3: there are some people who came out of that meeting

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Speaker 3: But I have got a slightly more optimistic take on

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Speaker 3: it after what was said at that meeting at least

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell acknowledges that there is a problem. That is

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Speaker 3: a massive change from what we heard from Ginny Anderson

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Speaker 3: when she was the Labor Police Minister. She spent amazing

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Speaker 3: amounts of time just pretending we didn't have a crime problem.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that She just said, oh no, we

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Speaker 3: just got this fantastic new app that allows us to

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Speaker 3: report more crime. So we're getting more reports, but there's

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Speaker 3: not actually more crime, which is just a load of

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Speaker 3: bollocks and we all knew that. And having Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 3: is already an MP of his own electorate, plus he's

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Speaker 3: a very busy cabinet minister, is actually, I think very

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Speaker 3: bit realistic about this. This is not going to be

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Speaker 3: fixed overnight. Mark Mitchell is turning around six years of

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Speaker 3: neglect of our inner cities with a previous government filled

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Speaker 3: He's only been in the job seven months. Give him

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Speaker 3: a moment. He knows what the fixes and this is

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Speaker 3: the important thing. He knows how to fix it. More

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Speaker 3: police on the beat. Already there are noticeably more. One

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Speaker 3: now I'm seeing enough good signs to have some heart.

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Speaker 3: Heather do for nine two is the text number and

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Speaker 3: standard text fees apply now. David Seymour has announced his

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Speaker 3: first big regulation review and it's the early childhood sector

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Speaker 3: which frankly needs it. I think we would all agree.

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Speaker 3: The review will include education, health safety, child protection, food safety,

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Speaker 3: funding levels, and the Early Childhood Council has already welcomed it,

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Speaker 3: saying the review is a once in a generation chance

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Speaker 3: to refocus early childhood education. Now Minister for Regulation is

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Speaker 3: David Seymour. Hi, David, Hey, what are you trying to fix.

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Speaker 4: The constant issues faced by people just trying to run

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Speaker 4: them mad, it's driving up costs, and it's actually diluting

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Speaker 3: David. The example that you just cited about the apple tree,

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Speaker 3: that sounds like you're going to have to rework the

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Speaker 3: Health and Safety Act potentially though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And the way that these sector

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Speaker 4: reviews workers, first of all, are focused on the victims

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Speaker 4: as I like to call them, or the regulated party,

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Speaker 4: which in this case is the center operators. We ask

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Speaker 4: Ministry of Education and the Review Office. And then you've

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Speaker 4: got to start working out how feasible it is to

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Speaker 4: change these things. You know, obviously you could end up

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Speaker 4: with a case to change employment law, health and safety law,

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Speaker 4: just about every law on the face of the earth.

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Speaker 4: So there will be a boundary, but nothing is off

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Speaker 3: Right, So you're up for changing something as big as

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Speaker 3: the health and safety law, which by the way, is

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Speaker 4: Well, the good news about that is that Brookman, Golden

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Speaker 4: Ex Deputy and also the Minister for Workplace Relations is

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Speaker 4: setting about doing exactly that. And I don't know where

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Speaker 4: safe pervading our workplaces in our national psyche, and yet

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Speaker 4: the number of people that don't come home is still

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Speaker 4: too high.

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Speaker 3: You're too right, listen. So in the end, if you

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Speaker 3: are able to take out a whole bunch of this regulation,

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Speaker 3: it ultimately should bring down the cost either for the

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Speaker 4: Right, absolutely and fundamentally, we want people to spend less

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Speaker 4: which in this case is helping the youngest New Zealanders

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Speaker 3: How long do you reckon this is going to take?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a big task.

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Speaker 4: Six months to go out and actually listen to the

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Speaker 4: of this year, present a set of proposals to cabinet

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Speaker 4: with the onus on cabinet to accept them or say

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Speaker 4: why not, and then another six months to implement the

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Speaker 3: How are you finding being the acting Prime Minister?

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Speaker 4: Look, it's awfully like normal life, to be honest, we

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Speaker 4: just try to get through. Not a huge amount has

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Speaker 3: Go a bit rogue while everybody else is out of

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Speaker 3: the county, all the handbrakes on your plans.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I thought about it, but I also

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Speaker 4: look at what this government's delivering. We've we've never had

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Speaker 4: a change of government where the new government has been

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Speaker 4: this aggressive of actually making change. You know, normally they

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Speaker 3: Right, David, Hey, thank you very much. Appreciate your time

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Speaker 3: and best of lucky that David Seymour, Minister for Regulation.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you caught this back in January,

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Speaker 3: but someone is this happened in London. Someone left a

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Speaker 3: it's January, right, so like we're talking about like hectically

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Speaker 3: the story gets weirder. It now has been revealed that

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Speaker 3: she is the third baby to have been left in

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Speaker 3: done DNA testing on her and they've also tested a

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Speaker 3: that means they're seven years old, five years old and

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Speaker 3: But anyway, best of luck to them, because how bizarre

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Speaker 3: like eight years, produced three children, surely, but how you

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business.

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Speaker 3: Used talks and be all right Darcy water Grave SportsTalk

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Speaker 5: Hey, Darce, I love your enthusiasm when I come into

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Speaker 5: the studio. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: You're more than welcome. Always always trying to imagine your energy.

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Speaker 3: Alex Paulson, how great is this news after Bournemouth? Coolest

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Speaker 3: story isn't it cool?

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Speaker 5: And I'd say nothing to do with the fact people

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Speaker 5: are saying, hey might back over here with Akaka, because

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's possible. We talked about that previously legally,

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Speaker 5: but put it that to one side because that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 6: Darsie.

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Speaker 3: Think about this. The kid is born in Auckland, goes

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Speaker 3: to school in Wellington and he is now going to

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Speaker 3: goalkeep against some of the best strikers in the world.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's over there on contract he gets to actually

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Speaker 5: launch at the very top level. We will see. But

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Speaker 5: the fact of the matter is we talk about inspiration,

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Speaker 5: we talk about aspiration. This is something that says to

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Speaker 5: all the kids out there, that's right, boys and girls,

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Speaker 5: men and woman. You know what, being at the bottom

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Speaker 5: end of the world.

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Speaker 3: Is not playing in the league.

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Speaker 5: It's all right, we can get there. If anything, you're isolated,

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Speaker 5: people see more of you because there's so few people.

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Speaker 3: Interesting that you say that. Because at the moment I

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Speaker 3: read that story, I sent it to my sister in

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Speaker 3: law because she's got an eleven year old who's like

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Speaker 3: fully into football and thinks Manchester City's the best thing

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Speaker 3: in the world. And I said to her, read him

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Speaker 3: this story, so he knows he can do this too.

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Speaker 5: Anywhere we've got supreach. Seeing he started off in Auckland

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Speaker 3: Okay, because it's we're respectfully co opting something, just like

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Speaker 5: Like focusing on mile mate Miles Davis.

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Speaker 3: At ye who's going to win tonight?

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Speaker 5: I don't care. I should technically say that I would

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Speaker 5: I was just waiting for you to go stumbling into it,

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Speaker 5: Of course? And we're going great guns at the moment.

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Speaker 4: P A A.

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Speaker 7: You?

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Speaker 5: What number?

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Speaker 3: Globally?

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Speaker 5: Nason Lee within the factory.

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Speaker 3: You saw the spreadsheet came out yet yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got a few downloads. Look, look the boss

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Darcy. Looking forward to the show this evening.

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave sports Talk host, be back at seven

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Speaker 3: News Talks. He'd be four twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the days.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 3: That'd be heah here, Heather, I attended that meeting last night.

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Speaker 3: the worm is trending in a better direction. Persistence will

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Speaker 3: Just Barry soobas with us on the latest allegations against

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Speaker 3: the Marti Party in ten minutes time. Also, I have

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Speaker 3: to get you across what's happening in the Oakland property market.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it's a good thing.

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Speaker 9: Hither.

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Speaker 3: I was a beat cop at the Auckland Downtown station

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 3: I have just got the most boomer text that I

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Speaker 3: It came in how long ago? It's four minutes ago, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Over the years I have heard you say derogatory things

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Speaker 11: Take you're referring to the first half of the text

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but they said facts Molteno and that

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Speaker 3: We know I mean about boomers anyway. I I will

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Speaker 3: Twenty two away from five.

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news Dogs it'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunac has outperformed expectations in his

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Speaker 12: So the simple question for Kirs Stalmer is what will

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Speaker 13: We need to smash the gangs that are running this

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Speaker 12: We do need to smash the gangs. Kirs Starmer voted

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden has put a daily cap on the number

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Speaker 3: of asylum seeker is allowed to cross the border from Mexico.

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Speaker 3: The American Civil Liberties Union says this is illegal and

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Speaker 10: I'm disappointed that the President has, you know, sort of

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Speaker 14: Time when we need to make a distinction between Donald

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Speaker 3: And finally, experts reckon that they've worked out why so

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Speaker 3: many orcas have been ramming boats near Spain and Portugal

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Speaker 3: they're coming up with fun games to pass the time.

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Speaker 2: International Correspondence with ends an eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Hither'll be nice to boomers they think they fought will

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Speaker 3: for to thank you, Pascal. I'll take that. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's a good piece of advice. Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent

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Speaker 3: with US.

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Speaker 15: Now, Hey, Dan, if that Boomer's text does come through,

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Speaker 15: feel free to interrupt me at any time.

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Speaker 3: If that comes out, we're sending it. We're sending out

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Speaker 3: one of those I News alerts to tell people that

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Speaker 3: Boomer text came through. You need to tune in immediately.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to send you all kinds of messages, emails,

446
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna seed to text some me see your Facebook messages, Dan, Everything, Dan,

447
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Speaker 3: What have we got from Hunter to Biden's trial.

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Speaker 15: Well, it was day two today and basically both sides

449
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Speaker 15: a laying the groundwork for this case and they're trying

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Speaker 15: to decide whether or not Hunter Biden purchased this gun

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Speaker 15: while he was addicted to drugs. He's been charged with

452
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Speaker 15: several felonies here buying this cult revolver when he was

453
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Speaker 15: addicted to crack, and that's according to his memoir. He's

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Speaker 15: been accused of lying and having the gun for eleven days.

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Speaker 15: So really what the jury did today was listening these

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Speaker 15: audio excerpts of his memoir of Hunter talking about his

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Speaker 15: book Beautiful Things, in which he narrates how he went

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Speaker 15: back to Delaware and he bought the gun and his

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Speaker 15: descended to drugs and his death of his brother back

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Speaker 15: in twenty fifteen. So President was in Washington today, so

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Speaker 15: he wasn't there at the trial, and he's heading over

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Speaker 15: to France for that, but he's he's getting some support

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Speaker 15: from some of his family.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, how do you think this is going to play out.

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Speaker 15: I think he's going to get a little bit of

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Speaker 15: a slap on the wrist to find maybe he'll get

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Speaker 15: a little house arrest as well as in community service.

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Speaker 15: I'll be surprised if he gets any kind of jail time.

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Speaker 15: Maybe he'll have time spent, you know, time served already

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Speaker 15: for that. But that's that's what I can see happening

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Speaker 15: at this point in time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, politically, you almost need something to be done

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Speaker 3: to hunt Biden, given that something's been done to Donald Trump, right,

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Speaker 3: Otherwise it's just going to seem the conspiracy to.

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Speaker 8: Image spiral exactly. That's what you've got Republicans already going on.

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Speaker 8: About at this point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, why did Joe Biden. I mean, Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: is obviously right that you been knitt Yah who's dragging

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Speaker 3: out the war and guys of a political game? But

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Speaker 3: why did he say it?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, that's that's one of those questions.

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Speaker 15: You just don't know why Joe Biden says what Joe

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Speaker 15: Biden says, like you don't know why Donald Trump says

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Speaker 15: what Donald Trump really says. And I think if you

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Speaker 15: look at the things, I mean, you know, net Yaho's

486
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Speaker 15: popularity is plummeted after the attack by Hamas. I think

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Speaker 15: most political observers agree that he would lose the elections

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Speaker 15: if it was hell today, And I think Biden was

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Speaker 15: just the same, basically what he felt. And then a

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Speaker 15: White House spokesperson later in the day kind of walk

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Speaker 15: that back a little bit, you might say, And Joe

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Speaker 15: Biden even did the same too, saying what he didn't

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Speaker 15: think that when he was asked whether not in Yah

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Speaker 15: who was playing politics with the war, Biden said, I

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Speaker 15: don't think so.

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Speaker 8: He's trying to work out a serious problem that he has.

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Speaker 15: So again, words are important, especially when you're somebody at

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Speaker 15: Joe Biden's age, when you're accused of having some of

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Speaker 15: the cognitive.

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Speaker 8: Issues that he has.

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Speaker 15: When you're this close to an election like we are

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Speaker 15: over here, would.

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Speaker 3: You talk to an AI version of the date?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 8: I don't know since I saw the story, I mean,

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Speaker 8: would you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon? I would I reckon, I would do it,

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Speaker 3: But Dan, I reckon. I would do it, like with

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Speaker 3: an absolute check on myself, because if it started to

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Speaker 3: become like I was actually believing this really was my

511
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Speaker 3: dead granny, Like if I was started to get weird

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Speaker 3: about it, I'd need to self regulate, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I think so.

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Speaker 15: And basically this man found out, you know, when he

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Speaker 15: was terminally ill with colon cancer, spent a lot of

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Speaker 15: time with his wife and said, you know, what's going

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Speaker 15: to happen after my death? And she said she'd miss

519
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Speaker 15: asking him questions. So he came up with this idea

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Speaker 15: to recreate his voice with AI and teamed up with

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Speaker 15: a friend here in the US to start this AI

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Speaker 15: legacy platform. And we're seeing more of these here. There's

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Speaker 15: a company in California called story File that will allow

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Speaker 15: you to interact with pre recorded videos and what that

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Speaker 15: does is it uses algorithms to kind of second guess

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Speaker 15: what the questions are going to be. And then there's

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Speaker 15: another project that has you fill out this questionnaire about

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Speaker 15: you know, the person and their traits, and then you

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Speaker 15: pay ten dollars and it kind of, you know, simulates

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Speaker 15: a tax based conversation with the character.

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Speaker 8: So maybe it's good, maybe.

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Speaker 15: It helps you feel better, but I think it's going

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Speaker 15: to open up a whole lot of ethical questions too.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to make a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: people go crazy. Thank you, Dan, I appreciated Dan Mitchinson,

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Speaker 3: US correspondent. Heither I read that text completely differently. I

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Speaker 3: reckon the person who sent it to you has a

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Speaker 3: sense of humor. They were being facetious. Maybe, I mean

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Speaker 3: that is entirely possible, and being the sucker that I am,

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Speaker 3: I was just like, Oh my gosh, here we go.

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Speaker 3: This is the Auckland Auckland market thing that I need

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Speaker 3: to tell you about. There's been a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a late autumn pickup in the Auckland property market, and

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Speaker 3: this is relevant to the rest of the country because

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Speaker 3: what happens in Auckland obviously happens everywhere else. If it

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Speaker 3: isn't already happening. Barfoot and Topson, which only sells in Auckland,

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Speaker 3: reckons it sold nine hundred and sixteen houses last month,

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Speaker 3: which is the highest number that they have sold in

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Speaker 3: May for three years and is higher than they sold

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Speaker 3: in April. Now, the prices are still down, So prices

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Speaker 3: are still down, in fact still coming down. But how

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Speaker 3: sales the numbers are going up. What does that tell you?

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Speaker 3: That tells you that sellers are finally coming to terms

555
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Speaker 3: with the prices they need to settle for right, They're

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Speaker 3: finally accepting it, not holding out for an improvement anymore,

557
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Speaker 3: just getting with reality and moving on the sale, which

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Speaker 3: is very good news, just for getting things ticking over.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Peter Thompson Barfrot and Thompson Boss.

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Speaker 3: Ten past five Barry Sopers next quarter.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US High Barry, Good afternoon, Heather, Barry.

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Speaker 3: What do you make I mean we're going to need

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Speaker 3: a significant inquiry into what's going on here with the

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Speaker 3: Mary Party, aren't we?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's got to be more than Statistics New Zealand,

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Speaker 10: who were in charge of course with the censors. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: any political party that uses what is private information to

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Speaker 10: get the names of people in the area that they

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Speaker 10: then contact. This is the allegation. Nothing's been proven yet,

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Speaker 10: although a lot of people have come out that were working.

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Speaker 3: There's a cable. I mean, there's something to answer.

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Speaker 16: Here, that's right.

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Speaker 10: Basically the m she won the seat by forty two

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Speaker 10: votes over Penny hen Now if I was I'd be

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Speaker 10: certainly looking at the count again at least. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 10: and why was it that way? So and she if

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Speaker 10: these allegations were proven, she would have to leave parliament

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Speaker 10: I would imagine, and there would be a by election

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Speaker 10: there because it's you know, it was a seat that

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Speaker 10: was won by her. But Hipkins, says Chris Hopkins. He

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Speaker 10: was interviewed this morning about it. He said, essentially, if

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Speaker 10: there is any improper behavior or improper conduct, then it's

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Speaker 10: important that we find out exactly what happened. And I

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Speaker 10: think it's very important as well. He said though, and

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Speaker 10: it's a fair point. He didn't want any mud eye

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Speaker 10: to stop helping Mardi get vaccinated and apply for an

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Speaker 10: electoral role or fill out Census Fords forms, but he

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Speaker 10: said there has to be clear delineations and you can

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Speaker 10: underscore that one. There's no doubt about that to Labor

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Speaker 10: Leader says, the inquiry into the allegations to basically extend,

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Speaker 10: has to extend further than Statistics New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: The Electoral Commission certainly need to be involved because any

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Speaker 17: allegations of impropriety in terms of what candidates have done,

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Speaker 17: that needs to be closely looked at. Stats New Zealand

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Speaker 17: need to be involved in making sure that no data

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Speaker 17: that was collected as part of the census was then

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Speaker 17: used for a different purpose that it wasn't intended for,

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Speaker 17: so that's important. I think we now need to add

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Speaker 17: health enz into the list as well, so to make

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Speaker 17: sure that vaccine data, you know, people's personal health information

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Speaker 17: hasn't been inappropriately used. And then the final entity is

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Speaker 17: ultimately the police. If the Electoral Commission find that, you know,

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Speaker 17: there's an illegal practice has been engaged in in terms

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Speaker 17: of the campaign, then that's a matter for the police.

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Speaker 17: So I think all four of those entities need to

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Speaker 17: be involved in making sure that what's happened here is

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Speaker 17: all completely legitimate and above board.

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Speaker 10: Yes, see, it's going to be very difficult for Labor

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Speaker 10: this one because they can't really afford to alienate the

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Speaker 10: Moldy Party because they are likely to need them unless

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Speaker 10: they win the seats back themselves. But to need them

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Speaker 10: in a coalition arrangement, well, totally New Zealand going to

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Speaker 10: elect that particular favor Labor would be unelectable.

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Speaker 3: So Labour needs to crush them.

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Speaker 10: Labour needs well, it needs to do what I think

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Speaker 10: Chris Hopkins was sort of attempting to do there, to

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Speaker 10: take it at arm's length. Christoph Lackson, who of course

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Speaker 10: is anwe well, was in Nue. He said the allegations

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Speaker 10: were serious and they certainly deserved to be investigated. So

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Speaker 10: you've got the two leaders of the two main parties

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Speaker 10: saying investigations have to take place. Statistics New Zealand really

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Speaker 10: has to become part of what is.

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Speaker 3: A very much wider investigation. And the reason there has

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Speaker 3: to be a wider investigation, I would think as well,

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Speaker 3: is because some of these these government agencies who gave

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Speaker 3: the money may in fact be embarrassed about their relationship

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Speaker 3: with some of these parties and so may not you know,

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Speaker 3: it may not be in their best interests to actually

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Speaker 3: necessarily do a massive investigation.

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Speaker 10: And the work complaints laid to the likes of the

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Speaker 10: Electoral Commission, and they, for some reason it seemed to say, well,

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Speaker 10: nothing to see, commission should They should have nipped it

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Speaker 10: right in the bill, which is what their jobs.

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Speaker 3: I've waved a lot through by the looks of things. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I was under the impression that read the inter Island

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Speaker 3: the Fairies. We were just sort of dealing with drawings

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Speaker 3: when we canceled it, but much much more. The engines

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Speaker 3: had already been built and tested well.

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Speaker 10: There was a written parliamentary question to the State Owned

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Speaker 10: Enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith, and he was asked what work

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Speaker 10: had been completed on the Fairies. He basically Kubrale advised

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Speaker 10: eighty seven percent of drawings for the two ships had

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Speaker 10: been submitted. Goldsmith said, but the first ship, basically the

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Speaker 10: engine room had been built on the sounds of it,

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Speaker 10: and the second ship the similarly, there were a lot

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Speaker 10: alternators had been built and tested and accepted. Safety and

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Speaker 10: controlled systems for both ships have been tested and accepted.

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Speaker 10: The dockyard apparently also blasted in primes some metal for

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Speaker 10: later stages in the construction.

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Speaker 3: So we're not going to come out without this costing

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Speaker 3: us a pretty penny.

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Speaker 10: We've got a contract break fee here. And the biggest

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Speaker 10: problem is you can imagine this will be hundreds of

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Speaker 10: millions of dollars and yet we still have to replace

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Speaker 10: these fairies. I'll show you that we have to build

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Speaker 10: births on either side.

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Speaker 3: It might have actually been smart just to carry on

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Speaker 3: with the thing the end of the day. Absolutely, this

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Speaker 3: is turning into this government's Auckland light rail, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Where a whole bunch of money are spent, you get nothing.

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Speaker 10: You feel how I feel for the likes of Kiwi

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Speaker 10: Roll because you can imagine them going to South Korea

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Speaker 10: talking to the people that they had signed the contract with,

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Speaker 10: only to turn up on February the eight and saying, no,

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Speaker 10: it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Barry, thank you very much. Barry so Per senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent seven away from five.

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Speaker 2: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: The police commissioners flow to the idea of title rules

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Speaker 18: on alcohol sales and increasing the price to deal with harm.

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Speaker 18: The Police Commissioner Andrew Costa is back with us. No

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Speaker 18: question about the carnage of course around alcohol. Of it

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Speaker 18: does price and price alone solve the issue?

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Speaker 14: We know that availability for example, having flicker outlets like

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Speaker 14: corner deiries around some deprived parts of our country, there's

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Speaker 14: a problem. And also cost of alcohol does make a difference.

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Speaker 14: And you've got a couple of options that can be

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Speaker 14: just attacked. But actually minimum pricing would mean that you

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Speaker 14: can't go out and buy a dozen woodstocks and get

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Speaker 14: absolutely smashed for not much. So those are the kind

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Speaker 14: of things that.

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Speaker 16: Make a difference.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the rain Drovers, thought news toog ZB.

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Speaker 3: Hither way have you not attempted to get John Palmer

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Speaker 3: her on your show to defend or even discuss the

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Speaker 3: very serious allegations being leveled at the wipe it edit

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Speaker 3: of trust and the Maori Party, Bob, Actually we have,

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Speaker 3: but JT appears to have TGT or GTG or whatever

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Speaker 3: the acronym has gone to ground. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: talk about so can't get it. Did he even answer

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Speaker 3: the phone?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: You text him and you called him?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, text down called noa is I think that's called ghosting.

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Speaker 3: He's ghosting us anyway, never mind, hopefully we'll get to

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Speaker 3: the bottom of it. We're going to speak to Bryce

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Speaker 3: said it was about that after five o'clock, Heather, can

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Speaker 3: you please update us. We were at with a hunger

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Speaker 3: strike and by my calculations, he will perish on Saturday. Now, Bernie,

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Speaker 3: he will not be dying because this is the Shortland

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Speaker 3: Street actor Will Alexander who was on the hunger strike.

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Speaker 3: Will Alexander has called it off. So he got through

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Speaker 3: nineteen days. And remember at the very start of it,

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Speaker 3: he said that the government had to do like basically

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Speaker 3: pull out of everything to do with Gaza, had to

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what like all of these demands.

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Speaker 3: And if it didn't happen, he said he was going

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Speaker 3: to die, but his doctor told him he needed to

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Speaker 3: stop because his health was being affected, which generally is

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Speaker 3: what happens when you starve yourself, so he stopped. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: he's eating some hummus tonight or something like that, which

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Speaker 3: also feels quite appropriate. Doesn't it give him, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Middle East and stuff. Anyway, Peter Thompson all so

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Speaker 3: with us shortly on what the Auckland property market is

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Speaker 3: doing and some good signs there. News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan drive with one New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected a news.

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Speaker 1: Talk zed B, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: There are now a number of complaints over allegations that

727
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Speaker 3: the Mari Party misused private information to help their election campaign.

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Speaker 3: The party is accused of taking both census data and

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Speaker 3: COVID JABB data and then using it to target voters

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Speaker 3: when they shouldn't have done it. Party denies any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 3: STATS is investigating the Office of the Privacy Commissioner has

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Speaker 3: been informed. Police have been given a complaint, but they

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Speaker 3: can't tell us what's come of it. Labor leader Chris

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Speaker 3: Hopkins wants other departments to get involved.

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Speaker 17: I think we now need to add Health ENDZ into

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Speaker 17: the list as well, so to make sure that vaccine data,

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Speaker 17: you know, people's personal health information hasn't been inappropriately used

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Speaker 17: and in the final entity is ultimately the police.

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Speaker 3: Political analyst Bryce Edwards is the director at the Democracy

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Speaker 3: Project at Victoria University of Wellington and with us Now, Hey, Bryce, hi,

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Speaker 3: we really need one big investigation here, don't we?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, So you can't just have all these little

743
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Speaker 4: government agencies reviewing themselves in a disjoined up way. Absolutely

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Speaker 4: need some sort of more holistic, you know, overview of things.

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Speaker 4: Maybe something like a King's counselor investigation, an inquiry, or

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Speaker 4: you need someone like the Wards General's Office or the Serious.

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Speaker 3: Fraud Office coming in right who calls that?

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Speaker 4: Well, who's the orders? The General's Office and Serious Fraud

749
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Speaker 4: Office are independent and they make their own decisions, so

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Speaker 4: it would have to be them that make that decision.

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Speaker 4: But the government could initiate a King's Council inquiry and

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Speaker 4: of course that were Bob wait and we'll be able

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Speaker 4: to essentially bring all the government departments to be involved

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Speaker 4: in that.

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Speaker 3: Bryce. These allegations are serious. If they are proved, does

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party MP get kicked out of Parliament or

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Speaker 3: what happens?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a really good question and I have got

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Speaker 4: to the bottom of that yet. You know, we're talking

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Speaker 4: about an electric race last year Tammicky mccarrolle that was

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Speaker 4: only one by forty two votes, and the allegations we're

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Speaker 4: seeing here is that a lot of those votes will

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Speaker 4: possibly won by illegitimates and means. So sediment to party

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Speaker 4: Murray has a bad case to answer here. And as

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Speaker 4: it proved that they have used to legal or corrupt means,

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Speaker 4: then I think Pare, who had whole assent and lost

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Speaker 4: by forty two votes, would have a good argument to

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Speaker 4: have that quashed. And of course you know that's a

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Speaker 4: big deal. It doesn't really happen in these in politics.

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Speaker 3: If it's proved, I mean we need to say if

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Speaker 3: it's proved, because it hasn't been at the moment. But

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Speaker 3: if it has proved, also this must mean the end

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Speaker 3: of all contracts, all government contracts with the White per

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Speaker 3: Ata Trust or the Pharo Order Commissioning Agency or Faro Order.

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Speaker 4: Right yeah. I mean it's a really difficult Mooki area

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Speaker 4: in South Auckland because John Commer Harry, he runs all

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Speaker 4: these different agencies. He's the president of Tabati Murray, He's

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Speaker 4: the chief executives of the Sarno or a commissioning agency.

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Speaker 4: So there's a kind of overlap of a White Pepperia

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Speaker 4: Trust and so it's a bit of a fight stem

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Speaker 4: and these agencies do have to be accountable because they

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Speaker 4: are taking on millions and millions of dollars on government

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Speaker 4: contracts to be social the layers, and so the haven't

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Speaker 4: been enough.

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Speaker 3: On the Electoral Commission. I'm really surprised that they have

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Speaker 3: had these allegations and they just basically did nothing about that.

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Speaker 3: Does that surprise you.

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Speaker 4: Not entirely. I mean the Electoral Cossion is actually a

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Speaker 4: very small agency and it's not rarely resourced empowered to

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Speaker 4: look at these things properly. They don't really have the

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Speaker 4: directives to do this. So I mean, does seem like

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Speaker 4: they should have informed all these government agencies but they didn't.

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Speaker 4: New Zealand lacks any sort of anti corruption agency that

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Speaker 4: you know in other countries, is the kind of central

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Speaker 4: agency for dealing for all these things. The police don't

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Speaker 4: really want to be the agency that does this either,

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Speaker 4: So we're in Dyland. We're just kind of a a

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Speaker 4: bit complacent. We didn't think we don't have corruption here,

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Speaker 4: we don't have breaking rules, so we don't need that agency.

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Speaker 4: But maybe suddenly we do.

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Speaker 3: Bryce, thanks very much, I really appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 3: Bryce Edwards, political analyst, director of the Democracy Project at

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Speaker 3: Victoria University of Wellington.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The Auckland property market got a little boost last month.

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Speaker 3: Barford and Thompson sold nine hundred and sixteen homes in May.

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Speaker 3: That is the most they have sold in May for

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Speaker 3: three years. Peter Thompson is Barford and Thomson's managing director

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Speaker 3: and with us.

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Speaker 19: Now Hi Peter Good Evening Heather.

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Speaker 3: The fact that sales are up but prices remain low,

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Speaker 3: if not slightly falling, does that tell you that sellers

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Speaker 3: are finally accepting prices.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: I think that's a good way to describe it. I

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Speaker 19: think what we've called is a good supply of properties

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Speaker 19: on the market at the moment, which is giving buy

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Speaker 19: is a lot more choice. And the vendors that are

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Speaker 19: wanting to sell their houses, those that are listening to

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Speaker 19: the feedback that the agents are giving them and pricing

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Speaker 19: their properties to sell, are seeing sales being made. There

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Speaker 19: are some vendors that still want that ultra high price

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Speaker 19: and the problem is the longer they keep thinking that

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Speaker 19: they're going to lose the buyers to many other options

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Speaker 19: that are coming on the market.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon it'll continue through winter because winter you

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Speaker 3: don't generally get like heaps of sales.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. I think we are and for quite a good

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Speaker 19: little slow boosted market. It's interest rates are still the

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Speaker 19: big thing that's holding the market ready tacking off. But

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Speaker 19: you know, whilst we've got good buyers out there and

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Speaker 19: clean your stock. You know, people, you know, sometimes the

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Speaker 19: best time to buy probably is on winter when you

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Speaker 19: can find all the leaks and everything that goes with that.

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Speaker 19: You know, if you love it in winter, you're going

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Speaker 19: to really love it in summer, and very good at

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Speaker 19: A lot of people do buy in winter, so you know,

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Speaker 19: it is positive science. There will be the slight slowdown

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Speaker 19: with you know, sports and all that played in the

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Speaker 19: weekends by families and the kids in particular, but we're

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Speaker 19: in for a good time.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. I'm pleased to hear it. You guys need it. Peter,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. Peter Thompson, Barft and Thompson Managing Director.

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Speaker 3: Du thoughts and prayers to the owners of the Toyota

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Speaker 3: Aqua cars because they are the most stolen cars in

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Speaker 3: the country, which also means that are now the like

847
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Speaker 3: really really expensive to ensure. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: that very shortly. I just want to mention something that

849
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Speaker 3: was in the news before but I think I need

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Speaker 3: to mention it again because this does involve the most

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Speaker 3: senior Catholic in the country. This is John Due. He

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00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: was obviously Linton's former archbishop. Vatican has looked into the

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Speaker 3: abuse complaint against John Due has found no further church

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Speaker 3: action is required. Now John Due has retired already. He

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Speaker 3: retired in May last year when he turned seventy five.

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Speaker 3: But he has obviously been doing public church activities and

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Speaker 3: stuff previously, and then when these inquiries started he stood

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Speaker 3: aside from them. This now means that he can now

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Speaker 3: resume those activities. Fourteen past five, we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to just a reminder, we're gonna talk about the crime thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you some numbers on that very surely.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the Queen's Arcade owner on

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Speaker 3: Queen Street after half past five. Right now, it's seventeen

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Speaker 3: past five. Now the country's most stolen car is now

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Speaker 3: so expensive to ensure that it's costing some ki He's

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Speaker 3: nearly three grand a year just in insurance premiums. This

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Speaker 3: is the Toyota Aquit It's been the most stolen car

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Speaker 3: for two years running. You can buy these things for

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Speaker 3: six k right six k secondhand, which means that within

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Speaker 3: two years, taking into account insurance premiums, you've bought the

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Speaker 3: thing twice. Motor Trade Association spokesperson Larry fell out Fielder

872
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Speaker 3: is with us.

873
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 16: Now, hey Larry, Hey, Heather, how are you?

874
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. I mean, this doesn't sound

875
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: to me like it's worth insuring. What do you think?

876
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 16: Well, I think it's like everything. If you don't ensure

877
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 16: it gets stolen, then you're out of pocket for six grand.

878
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 16: So it is high. But when you think about that,

879
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 16: they are the most stolen car anism, but they are

880
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 16: also the most popular car from a used import perspective.

881
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 16: Head that that's in the last two and a big years.

882
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 16: They do represent nearly twelve percent of the vehicles registered

883
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 16: in New Zealand from a used import perspective. So when

884
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 16: you think about the most popular car, they're always going

885
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 16: to be a target. And I think there's a little

886
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 16: bit more to it than that. These cars aren't stolen

887
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 16: to go shopping. Well maybe they are stolen to go

888
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 16: shopping in just a different form that you and.

889
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: I go shop.

890
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: But they're stolen to blend in, aren't they. That's the

891
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: whole point of it.

892
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, if you think about it, you watch the news,

893
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 16: you'll see that pretty much most ram raids or all

894
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 16: event that happens is probably in a small car like

895
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 16: an Equa. You know, So why is that? Because? Well,

896
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 16: I think they're easy to break into, aren't they? From

897
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 16: Net's side, you know they're there. They don't have the

898
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 16: modern features like immobilizers.

899
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: Like other cars.

900
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 16: And I think the other thing is insurance companies are saying,

901
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 16: you know, if you fit in a mobilizer, then obviously

902
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 16: there's a there's a change to what your premiums look like.

903
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: Larry, is that the solution If you've got one of

904
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: these cars and you really don't want it to get neck,

905
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: do you need to get in a mobilizer?

906
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 16: Well, look, I think there's a couple of solutions. They're

907
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 16: head and a mobilizer is one. The second would be,

908
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 16: you know, a steering block that goes on the steering wheel.

909
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 16: You know, isn't it, but but hey, it works, you know,

910
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 16: because they'll take the easiest option, and if it's got

911
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 16: a steering handle lock on it, it's just too hard

912
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 16: for them to get those off.

913
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, the reason that people love these cars

914
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: is because they're really really economical right there. They're really

915
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: cheap to round. Surely though, there must be something similar

916
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: out there that isn't being nicked quite the same rate.

917
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 16: Well, I suppose there is. There is lots of vehicles

918
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 16: out there that are that are similar. There's two things

919
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 16: about them. They are economical, as you've highlighted, and they

920
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 16: are reliable. You know, Toyota is a reliable brand, so

921
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 16: you know from that side there's a couple of elements

922
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 16: that make them popular.

923
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: Hey, Larry, while i've got you, have you been following

924
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: this Toyota faulty safety data saga?

925
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 16: I have a little bit.

926
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: What do you make of the raid overnight?

927
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 6: What?

928
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 16: Sorry, the raid overnight?

929
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 6: Yeah?

930
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 16: Which raid was that?

931
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 19: Oh?

932
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: This is the thing you might not have seen it,

933
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: or Larry, go and read it. It's going to tackle

934
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: your ticle, your pink because it's in your industry. That

935
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: was Larry, Larry Fallerfield. By the way, Motor Trade Association

936
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: spokesperson Japan's transportman is here. I was telling you about

937
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: this yesterday, about what these guys have been up to

938
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of carmakers over in Japan, all being

939
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: busted fiddling with the safety data to varying degrees of

940
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: kind of I don't know if it's criminal, but varying

941
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: degrees of naughtiness, we'll say. As a result, Japan's Transport

942
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: Ministry has now raided Toyota's headquarters. Now there's no indication

943
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: of what the raiding agents found or whether they found

944
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: anything at all, but it is a sign of how

945
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: seriously that taking this, and it is very very very

946
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: bad for Toyota's reputation and for the share price, and

947
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: also for the chairman. Five twenty one, the.

948
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: Name you trust to get the answers you need, have

949
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: a duple c Alan drive with one New Zealand let's

950
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

951
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: Five twenty three. I feel like I need to explain

952
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: a comment that I made yesterday, which was that I

953
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: said that Andrew Costa's plan to deal with alcohol related

954
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: harm is stupid. It is stupid. I'm not I'm not

955
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: apologizing for it. I'm just going to explain why I

956
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: said that, just so I sound a little less uninformed

957
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: that I may have yesterday. So, Andrew Costa's plan is

958
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: basically to limit your access to liquor by giving you

959
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: fewer hours in the day that you can buy it,

960
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: and then also to limit your access to liquor by

961
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: making it more expensive so you can't afford it anymore. Now,

962
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 3: all that is is controlling supply. I've done that before.

963
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't work. In fact, we have taken that idea

964
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: as like a world to its extreme, which is prohibition,

965
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: and it still didn't work. In this country. We limited

966
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: the hours that you could buy your booze, and what

967
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 3: we got was the six o'clock swell with men getting

968
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: as drunk as they possibly could, as fast as they

969
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: possibly could. And then various parts of the world have

970
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: done the prohibition things, you know, to the absolute, like

971
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: hardest degree that you possibly could, and it's just made

972
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: the criminal booze runners extremely rich and violent, and booze

973
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: were still available. The only people who stop drinking if

974
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 3: you put this kind of stuff in are the people

975
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: who are not problem drinkers. It's just me and you, right,

976
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: it's normal. Mums and dads just have like one glass

977
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: of wine maybe a couple of three times a week.

978
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: We're the ones who stopp buying it because we got

979
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: just too hard or too expensive. The hardcore alkis will

980
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: still find a way to get the booze, I mean

981
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: after hours. If they can't get into the shop by

982
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: legal means, I'll just smash into the liquor stores, although

983
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 3: I'll brew their own and make themselves blind, or they'll

984
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: start drinking cleaning spirits and make themselves blind. That's not crazy.

985
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: I know an alkie who used to do that. The

986
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: kids who get smashed at the weekend, the ones that

987
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: we're most worried about. They're going to find a way around.

988
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: The kids, aren't dnbe They get a hoarde during the

989
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: week when the shops are open, brew their own whatever

990
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: to be able to party at the weekends. The truth

991
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: of the matter is, I mean our lord, where he's

992
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: coming from, I understand we do have a problem. Absolutely

993
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: we do have a problem. If we don't think we

994
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: have a problem, we're living under a rock. So I

995
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: applaud the fact that he wants to do something about it.

996
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 3: But really, the only solution, I think is to deal

997
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: with the actual problem, which is our drinking culture. We

998
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: drink terribly in this country. I'm not being pious about

999
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: it right because I was young once. I mean, I

1000
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: drank way too much through my late teens and early twenties.

1001
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: I reckon probably my whole twenties, I'm completely honest, maybe

1002
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: even in my early thirties. So what that means is

1003
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: I've seen it, I've done it. I know we've got

1004
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: a problem. I don't know how we teach it. I

1005
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: don't know how we teach ourselves that getting really, really

1006
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: really drunk all of the time is not okay. I

1007
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: don't know how we do that, But that is what

1008
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: we have to do. That is the solution. Trying to

1009
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: limit access to alcohol is not going to work. Is Therefore,

1010
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: it is a stupid idea. Ever here, the South Africa

1011
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: has an anti corruption agency in our country needs one

1012
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: as well. Do you know what can't I agree with

1013
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: you on that? Now, take this story out, take the

1014
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: Marti party story out out of the equation, and just

1015
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: look at the country as it is. We still need

1016
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: an anti corruption agency because we've got a whole bunch

1017
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: of low level stuff that's happening that you go, ah, jeez,

1018
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: I don't feel comfortable about that, But you don't really

1019
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: know who you're supposed to refer it to or who

1020
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: should be looking into it, like stuff like ministers of

1021
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 3: the crown having undeclared shares, or ministers of the crown

1022
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: having meetings with people who may benefit from them being

1023
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: ministers of the crown. Do you know what I mean?

1024
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: Little dinners that don't declare or or things like people

1025
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: not declaring donations, all of that kind of low level

1026
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: stuff that should be dealt with through the anti corruption agency,

1027
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: but also not only to prove corruption, but to disprove corruption.

1028
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: These allegations against all the parties involved with this thing

1029
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: with the Mahrori Party, these allegations are serious and they

1030
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: will taint like them. Having those allegations out there will

1031
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: taint the brands of these particular agencies. So it's in

1032
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: their best interests to have an anti corruption agency actually

1033
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: look into it and clear them up. And so na

1034
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: these guys did nothing if they did nothing, so it

1035
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: cuts both ways. I think it's a good idea. Listen,

1036
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 3: yesterday we talked about internet being bad. Right, here's another example.

1037
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: There is an indigenous and remote tribe in Brazil called

1038
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 3: the Marubo people who for hundreds of years have lived

1039
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: in small huts in the Amazon until recently much the

1040
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: same lifestyle. In September, they were given Internet access for

1041
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: the first time thanks to Elon Musk Starling. Now all

1042
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: of the young men are addicted to porn. They are

1043
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: all addicted to porn and the rest of them a

1044
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: lying around in hammocks, just playing on their phones all

1045
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: the time and completely lazy headlines.

1046
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: Next on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

1047
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: in your car on your drive home. Heather dup to

1048
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: see Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

1049
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: A news talk said, be of a double.

1050
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 8: Shide of western n.

1051
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 6: Yesty.

1052
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: There's a party.

1053
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 18: Bounce down your fair stream, everybody find.

1054
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 12: Hey.

1055
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 3: Brooklyn Velden is having a look at changing the holiday Zach.

1056
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: The proposal there is that she wants to change the

1057
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: way we get our sickly than our annual leave, you

1058
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: know for your holidays and stuff like that. It's like

1059
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 3: an entitlement approach. It's very confusing for the payroll guys.

1060
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: She wants to change it to in a cruel approach.

1061
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: It seems like just it's like slightly different accounting method.

1062
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: She reckons most of us won't notice. Way, have a

1063
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 3: chat to her after six o'clock about this. The Huddle

1064
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: is standing by to have a chat to us as well.

1065
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: Here read the alcohol. I can tell you now why

1066
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: young people seem to be drinking less. It's because drugs

1067
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: are dirt cheap and readily available as well. Ecstasy used

1068
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: to cost forty to sixty bucks each pill. Now it's

1069
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: four dollars. No four dollars, I don't know when you're

1070
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: getting your ecstasy from Jay Wiz. That's dirt cheap. Anyway,

1071
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: overpriced drinks at city bars is driving the industry now.

1072
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: I do take the point that it's much much, much

1073
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: cheaper apparently nowadays. Back when I was at university, forty

1074
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: to sixty, like forty bucks was cheap. Sixty bucks was

1075
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: more where it sat. I'm told it is gets crept

1076
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: closer to forty bucks. So that's absolutely what's going on here.

1077
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: Young people are finding they can have a better time

1078
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: on drugs and the consequences at least, you know, if

1079
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: you're doing something like we ourd class as a completely

1080
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: different story. But if you're doing something like weed, they

1081
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: don't feel as bad the next day. So there is

1082
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 3: a lot of that going on, the switching from one

1083
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: thing to the other. We will talk to the huddle

1084
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: about Actually, no, I don't thin. We're going to talk

1085
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Speaker 3: to the huddle about that, because you know what, I

1086
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: want to talk to the huddle about water coolers because

1087
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: the police are upset in christ Church because the water

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Speaker 3: coolers are being taken out of the police station. Stand

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Speaker 3: by for that. Twenty three away from six.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper see Allen.

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Speaker 3: On the subject of crime, tensions were pretty high at

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Speaker 3: a public meeting on inner city crime and all Climb

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Speaker 3: last night. Over one hundred residents and business owners turned

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Speaker 3: up to hear the Police Minister Mark Mitchell, and some

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Speaker 3: of it got a little heated. Ian Wright is the

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Speaker 3: Queen's Arcade property manager and joins us now, Hay, Ian,

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 20: Good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Were you there last night?

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Speaker 20: I was, indeed, but heated. No, I don't think it

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Speaker 20: was as heater. There was a couple of people who

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Speaker 20: were animated. But I think think Police Minister Mark Mitchell

1103
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 20: got a very good overview and a feel for the

1104
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 20: environment that we've simply got to change. And I think

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00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 20: it's some positive things happening, but there's a lot that's broken.

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Speaker 20: So it's going to take a little bit of time

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Speaker 20: to turn the tide.

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00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, how long do you reckon.

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Speaker 20: Well, we're seeing things. We're seeing things change now. I

1110
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 20: mean it's a wider problem than just Auckland CBD. This

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00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 20: is across New Zealand. We're seeing it in cities and

1112
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 20: towns right around the country. The shoplifting, assaults, intimidation, drug dealing,

1113
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 20: RAM raids have crept in and quite frankly, the consequences

1114
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 20: haven't been there. The whole system's gone to soft. The

1115
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 20: justice system needs a good look at and all those

1116
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 20: sort of things are not going to change overnight. But

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00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 20: the police getting back on the beat and back to

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00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 20: basics policing, which is what the police Minister was talking about.

1119
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Speaker 20: And I'm confident they're heading in the right direction and

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Speaker 20: certainly we'll we'll be pushing them to take action.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff now. Mark Miture reckons that the police

1122
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: patrols are up sixty percent in about the last six

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Speaker 3: months or so. Have you seen more of them?

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Speaker 20: We have, although some people debated whether it was sixty

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Speaker 20: percent or fifty eight percent of nothing. I think the

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Speaker 20: police have a very tough job to do. There's some

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Speaker 20: great people in there and they're dealing with very difficult

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Speaker 20: situations and we need to support them. The police directive

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Speaker 20: is I believe to get more police back on the

1130
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Speaker 20: beat and we'll be watching out for them because we

1131
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 20: desperately need them out there.

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Speaker 3: So now that we have got a few more of

1133
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: these police patrols going on, have you seen a decrease

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Speaker 3: in chrime.

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Speaker 20: We still get ongoing issues, but certainly we've got very

1136
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 20: good support from at the heart of the city led

1137
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 20: by Vivbek and there's a city wide security team here

1138
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 20: in Auckland that are there when we need support. So

1139
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 20: these arecidibus defenders is what the police need to constant

1140
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 20: trait on. I had a group of them in here

1141
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 20: today and we're talking to them about that very thing.

1142
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Speaker 20: So I'm optimistic. We've got to make change. We can't

1143
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 20: sit back. We've got to support the police and help

1144
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Speaker 20: them do their job.

1145
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: Ian the solution is the patrols. Isn't it more of

1146
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: the coppers on the beat that will actually solve a

1147
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: lot of the problems.

1148
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 20: Well, it's certainly going to help. I think there's probably

1149
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 20: things that are deeper within the police systems with their

1150
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 20: it and just their whole policies and procedures that no

1151
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 20: doubt the government's looking at that could be streamlined and

1152
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 20: make the police's job a lot easier. For example, when

1153
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 20: they arrest someone, I know it takes an inordinate and

1154
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 20: obscene amount of time for them to process that person

1155
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 20: that takes them off the street. And I know there's

1156
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 20: a lot of mental health issues that they're trying to

1157
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 20: push over to another area. So I think it's a

1158
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 20: matter of looking at the system and blaming the system

1159
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 20: rather than the people that are doing the fine.

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Speaker 16: Job they do.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely fair point, Hey, Ian, thank you so much appreciated?

1162
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Speaker 3: Is Ian right? Queen's arcade? Properly? Manager? I got those

1163
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: numbers for you, by the way, on the police patrols

1164
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: because six fifty eight percent of nothing is nothing, right,

1165
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: So what is fifty What are we actually talking about?

1166
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: I can tell you very shortly nineteen away from six.

1167
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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty unparalleled reach.

1168
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Speaker 3: And results on the huddles be this evening, we've got

1169
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Speaker 3: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q and A,

1170
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: and Nick leg At, CEO of Infrastructure New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: Hello are you two killed up?

1172
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Speaker 1: Jack?

1173
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: How long do you reckon? The Government has got to

1174
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 3: demonstrate that this issue is being fixed.

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Speaker 6: I reckon if things haven't materially improved in the perceptions

1176
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Speaker 6: of those inner city business owners ten business signers right

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Speaker 6: around the country by November of this year, then things

1178
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 6: are going to get very tricky. And no doubt there

1179
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 6: are all sorts of things that are contributing to the

1180
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 6: rising crime or the perceptions around a rising crime. I'd

1181
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 6: say a big one is just economic insecurity, like you

1182
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 6: see this every time the economy stink. You see in

1183
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 6: other countries when the economy stink. Basically you can directly

1184
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: link a downturn in the economy with a rise in

1185
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 6: this sort of crime. So this shouldn't come as any

1186
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 6: great no, no, this stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's not fair. This stuff has been going on. But

1188
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: this stuff has been going on preceding our recession while

1189
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: we were all flushed with cash because it was COVID, but.

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Speaker 6: We were insecure, right because we didn't know exactly what

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Speaker 6: the future held.

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Speaker 8: This has been.

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Speaker 6: We might have had money for the in the short

1194
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Speaker 6: term sense, but I don't think anyone had any great

1195
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 6: sense of certainty about the future. And I mean this

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Speaker 6: has been this situation has been replicated in cities right

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Speaker 6: across the world. Look at the likes of New York

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Speaker 6: and other cities, but there's lots of places of experience this.

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Speaker 6: But so I think for things to really improve, as

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Speaker 6: well as all of the policing things, as well as

1201
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 6: all of the justice things, we're going to need to

1202
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 6: see things on the social side, but also is probably

1203
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 6: going to need to see an improvement in the economy,

1204
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Speaker 6: and that's going to take time. And the problem is

1205
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Speaker 6: that the government has been elected on some very big

1206
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 6: promises when it comes to improving public safety and improving

1207
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Speaker 6: our crime measures. And if people don't feel like things

1208
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 6: have materially improved sometime soon, I reckon they'll give them

1209
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 6: a year. By November, then I reckon people are going

1210
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 6: to be really touching.

1211
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 21: I think it's a pretty fair assessment. I think people

1213
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 21: want a bit of the sort of strong arm of

1214
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 21: the law to crack down on those that are making

1215
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 21: others feel unsafe in city centers. But I also I

1216
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 21: completely agree with Jack in the sense that it is

1217
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 21: part of this is economic, but also this is an

1218
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 21: opportunity for the government to test out social investment. We

1219
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 21: know who these people are, right, this is a small country.

1220
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 21: It's not as though this problem is so big that

1221
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 21: we've got to deal with thousands of recidivious defenders. If

1222
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 21: we can target social resources to supporting those people, dealing

1223
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 21: with the ones through the justice system faster, I think

1224
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 21: is the end pointed out and what he said. But

1225
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 21: actually then act, getting people house, getting people into a

1226
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Speaker 21: situation where they're not tempted to go in and commit

1227
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 21: crime and intimidate people around central cities, then we'll be

1228
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 21: in a better position. And look, I think people do

1229
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 21: you know, you can quote stats and I think it's great.

1230
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 21: By the sounds of it, the patrols have increase, people

1231
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 21: have got to feel something different, and the government might

1232
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 21: have a bit longer than November for that because there

1233
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 21: is an election for two and a half years, but

1234
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 21: people are you know, there needs to be a feeling

1235
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 21: and a perception that things have changed and things are

1236
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 21: on the improvement, and you know that there is not

1237
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 21: a lot of time for that, but I do think

1238
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 21: it might go a little bit beyond November.

1239
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got a period of grace, haven't that all right?

1240
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 5: Guys?

1241
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about the Marty Party

1242
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: allegations will come back and do that sixteen away from six.

1243
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Exceptional marketing

1244
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: for every property.

1245
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: Right, You're back with the Huddle, Nick Leggand and Jack

1246
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: tam Nick. Do you think there needs to be a single,

1247
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: wider inquiry into these Marty Party allegations rather than the

1248
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: whole bunch of bitsy stuff going on from these government agencies?

1249
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 6: Yes, I do.

1250
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 21: I think that the accusations are serious enough that there

1251
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 21: does need to be a wider look. I mean we're

1252
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 21: talking about obviously the potential the allegation around misusing public

1253
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 21: funds and also public information. I've seen some text messages

1254
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 21: which suggest there was a get out the vote campaign.

1255
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 21: I don't know if there's any evidence or suggestion it

1256
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 21: went beyond that. But the other aspect is that we're

1257
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 21: talking about forty two votes in a seat that actually

1258
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 21: impacts the proportionality.

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Speaker 16: Of our parliament.

1260
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 21: If Penny Hennaday had won that seat, the opposition would

1261
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 21: have had one less MP because we're an overhang territory

1262
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 21: with because the Marti Party won more electrics than their

1263
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 21: party vote allowed them to. So this is really serious

1264
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 21: as an accusation, and I think that at warrants. You know,

1265
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 21: we need to show that as a country we take

1266
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 21: misuse of public money and impact of electioneering potentially impacting

1267
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 21: election as being really serious.

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00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 10: Jack.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me that it would also be in

1270
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 3: the best interests of all of the party parties who

1271
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: have these allegations leveled against them to have a big

1272
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: wide inquiry.

1273
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean I often think that, you know, like,

1274
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 6: if if accusations of this gravity are leveled against you

1275
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 6: and you are so certain of you know, of your

1276
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 6: innocence and that you've done nothing wrong as to Party

1277
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 6: Marti and Sis they have so far, and you know,

1278
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 6: John Tummerheadis has refuted all of the allegations made made

1279
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 6: against him and to Party Mahori so far, then you

1280
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 6: would think that absolutely, you know that maximum daylight, you know,

1281
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 6: maximum exposure would would be in your interest because it

1282
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 6: would vindicate you. That being said, you're quite right like

1283
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 6: at the moment that the investigations or the inquiries seem

1284
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 6: to be a little bit bitsy because you have different agencies.

1285
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 6: The police are involved, which I think is is vital

1286
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 6: in one. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I think I think

1287
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 6: we sort of need to first of all, just have

1288
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 6: an absolute commitment that the inquiry are going to be

1289
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 6: made public. Yeah, I think that's kind of kind of vital.

1290
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 6: But I'd like to just to see a bit more

1291
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 6: about the terms of reference as to which you know,

1292
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 6: agency is kind of inquiring about.

1293
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Speaker 3: So also, Jack, because the allegations, there are so many

1294
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: different allegations, you have to be sure that every single

1295
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: one of them is being investigated by the appropriate agency

1296
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: rather than the copp is just looking at this one aspect.

1297
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. But you know, and it's quite right,

1298
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 6: you know obviously that there is reason from an electoral perspective,

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Speaker 6: you know, to have a kind of a keen interest

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Speaker 6: over you know, given the margin and that seat was

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Speaker 6: so narrow. But I think even regardless of that, like

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Speaker 6: to take you know, the allegations around the misuse of

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Speaker 6: sens to start, for example, but that is a really

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Speaker 6: really serious allegation, a really serious allegation, and even if

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Speaker 6: there were you know, a margin of ten thousand seats

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Speaker 6: for that seat, I think it's well worth you know, investigating,

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Speaker 6: you know, as much as possible.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, and the point that Bryce Edwards made,

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Speaker 3: and I know this is kind of a hobby horse

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Speaker 3: for Bryce, but I feel like he's bang on. We

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Speaker 3: need something bigger, like an anti corruption agency. Like we're

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Speaker 3: a big boy country now, right, we have to stop

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Speaker 3: pretending that we're somehow whiter than right.

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Speaker 21: I have some sympathy with that, to be honest, it's

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Speaker 21: you know, when you're going to be grown up and

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Speaker 21: accept that bad things can happen in little old New

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Speaker 21: Zealand and that resource public resources can be misused, that

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Speaker 21: you know that sometimes procurement isn't straight up and people

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Speaker 21: get things because of who they know. Of course that happens,

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Speaker 21: And I mean, I'm loath here that I want to

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Speaker 21: set up at the new Department for every good idea,

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Speaker 21: but this is actually about protecting our reputation and assurance

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Speaker 21: to the public about the use of their resources. So yeah,

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Speaker 21: I've got some sympothy to that, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Jack, How do you feel about the water coolers

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Speaker 3: being taken out of the Canterbury police stations to save money.

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Speaker 3: It saves eleven thousand dollars, but the coppers say they

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Speaker 3: need cold water because they get really hot in their vests.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm kind of with them, and to be honest,

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Speaker 9: I'm surprised given the government's kind of position on cracking

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Speaker 9: down on crime and wanting to believe, you know, police

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Speaker 9: to be more out on the streets and that kind of.

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Speaker 6: Thing, that they're not letting this kind of thing go.

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Speaker 6: Like have you worn one of those vests?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 21: They are heavy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're heavy and they're really hot. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I just would have thought, for the sake of ten

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Speaker 6: thousand dollars a cost Canterbury, you know, it's such a

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Speaker 6: minor thing. And if it means that police.

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Speaker 3: Andy though, isn't it Andy Coster doing this?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's been told to save money, right, And I

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Speaker 6: just would have thought. I just would have thought, you

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Speaker 6: know what, is now the time you really want to

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Speaker 6: be perceived as squeezing police to save every dollar incent possible,

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Speaker 6: or really do you want to be offering those officers

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Speaker 6: on the frontline maximum support? And I just would have thought,

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Speaker 6: you know, you look at something like this, you pair

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Speaker 6: it with the pay dispute with police at the moment,

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Speaker 6: and then you pair it with the language that you

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Speaker 6: know of the new government around cracking down on crime,

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Speaker 6: like hang on, I'm not sure they think necessarily.

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Speaker 3: For the get good the thing? Also, Nick, is I mean,

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Speaker 3: the thing that really struck me about this is that

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Speaker 3: they want to drink water from water coolers. Water coolers

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Speaker 3: are disgusting.

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Speaker 21: Well, well, look, it's personal choice, isn't it. I'm with Jack,

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Speaker 21: I think. I mean the first story you ran tonight

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Speaker 21: was talking about empowering the police, getting them out on

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Speaker 21: the beat, getting them to do a good jobs. That's

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Speaker 21: the principle for me here. And if water calls help

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Speaker 21: them do that, that's great. But can I be cynical?

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Speaker 21: Can you indulge my cynicism for a moment. This is

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Speaker 21: the oldest trick in the public service book. Don't tell

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Speaker 21: me that there isn't a middle management budget that could

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Speaker 21: have lost eleven thousand dollars from it somewhere in Canterbury Police.

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Speaker 21: This is about provoking as deliberate public reaction by cutting

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Speaker 21: something that people value, good public servants value, to get

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Speaker 21: you to try and drive a message home about cuts.

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Speaker 21: And I don't think we should accept it. I refuse

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Speaker 21: to accept it. Find the money from elsewhere, a new budget.

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Speaker 21: They make people on the front frontlines up.

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Speaker 3: Your cynicism is bang on, mate, Thank you very much

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01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: to a pair of you, Jack, Tam Nick leg At

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Speaker 3: a huddle this evening, seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: Up on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

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Speaker 1: in your car on your drive home.

1379
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Speaker 3: Talk as be listen. This is where I'm at on

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Speaker 3: the water coolers. Water coolers are disgusting and I can

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Speaker 3: probably say with like a degree of confidence that apart

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Speaker 3: from the ones at the gym, I don't reckon that

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Speaker 3: I have drunk out of a water cooler or like

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Speaker 3: even those little taps that you get in the fridge

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Speaker 3: since two thousand and seven. Because in two thousand and

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Speaker 3: seven I remember this, like with clarity, there was the

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Speaker 3: legendnaire's case. Do you remember where the office, the office

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Speaker 3: in christ Church had the Legionnaire's disease coming out of

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Speaker 3: the water coolers. And then like when I read it,

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Speaker 3: I looked. I was working at TV and ZED and

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Speaker 3: Wellington and I looked at my boss as he walked

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Speaker 3: over to the water cooler and filled up his glass,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, and never again. I just

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Speaker 3: can't drink out of them. They just don't. Even the

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Speaker 3: coppers don't do it. Just drink it out of the tap.

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Speaker 3: The water's fine, christ huge water.

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Speaker 1: Especially.

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Speaker 3: Murray Crane has text in my Mary being the man

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Speaker 3: who makes the beautiful men's suits here that my name

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Speaker 3: is Murray Crane. I'm a thirty five year old retail

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Speaker 3: veteran in the central city and I was at the

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Speaker 3: Mark Matchure meeting last night. I do not agree with

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Speaker 3: some of your panel's comments. The city is generally still

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Speaker 3: a safe place at times. One of the main issues

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Speaker 3: that we have is that the number of people in

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Speaker 3: the city has dropped significantly after COVID, and that means

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Speaker 3: that the warts are more obvious. There have always been

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Speaker 3: pockets of Auckland that have had criminal behavior, and the

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Speaker 3: type of behavior is now obviously worse. But the other

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Speaker 3: thing we need to remember is that Auckland is a

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Speaker 3: fast growing city and the percentage of the problem as

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Speaker 3: a percentage of the population is not actually growing that much.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the city six days a week. I do

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Speaker 3: see the crime. I see the vagrancy, but I've seen

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Speaker 3: it for the last thirty years. It's always been there.

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Speaker 3: Murray's got a wonderful optimistic outlook on it. This is

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Speaker 3: how many police patrols we've got it came fifty eight

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Speaker 3: percent of watch Right. The number of foot patrols in

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Speaker 3: October twenty twenty three seven hundred and seventy five. The

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Speaker 3: number of foot patrols in March this year twelve hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty six. That's across three areas in the Auckland

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Speaker 3: City District, Auckland Harborside, Auckland Central West, in Auckland Central East.

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Speaker 3: That means for each of those areas you average in

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Speaker 3: March four hundred and eight for the month across each area.

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Speaker 3: That's one hundred and two foot patrols in a week.

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Speaker 3: That's fifteen foot patrols in a day. That's not even

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Speaker 3: one an hour. It's got to be more than that,

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Speaker 3: it really does. Brook van Valden is with us next.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. With Build

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Speaker 1: a Business Hour. We'd hand the duplicy Allen and my

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Speaker 1: hr on news talks at me.

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Speaker 3: Evening. Coming up in the next hour. The government's tax

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Speaker 3: take has, for the first time in ages surpassed treasuries expectations.

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Speaker 3: Genative trainee on that. Gen Taylor's got a nice little

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Speaker 3: boost from that t y announcement last week. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: have a chat to Milford Asset Management and then precinct

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Speaker 3: properties on their new purchases. A couple of them to

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Speaker 3: talk about after half past six at seven pass six

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Speaker 3: right now now, the Coalition government is going to shake

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Speaker 3: up the Holidays Act. Two big change is are planned

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Speaker 3: pro rat is sick leave and to switch from an

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Speaker 3: entitlement system to an a cruel system. There will be

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Speaker 3: targeted consultation on a draft of the bill in September

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Speaker 3: and the minister behind this is the Workplace Relations and

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Speaker 3: Safety Minister Brook van Valden, who's with us now, Hey, Brook,

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Speaker 3: hey you how I'm very well this sounds really technical?

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Speaker 5: Is that what it is?

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Speaker 3: Just a technical change? Basically, well, the.

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Speaker 22: Holidays Act is really technical as a piece of law,

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01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 22: which is why there are so many businesses who've got

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Speaker 22: it wrong in the past. You know, government agencies have

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 22: been falling foul of the law all the way down

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Speaker 22: to small businesses. And what I'm aiming to achieve is

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Speaker 22: to simplify the law so that businesses and workers know

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Speaker 22: what their rights and obligations are, which is in the

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Speaker 22: benefit of businesses, so they're not spending so much time

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Speaker 22: on admin but actually doing work and it's in the

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Speaker 22: benefit of workers, so they know what their obligations are,

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Speaker 22: what they are entitled to, and can make sure that

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Speaker 22: their bosses are paying them correctly.

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Speaker 3: Rook, what is complicated about it? You work for a company,

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01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: you're entitled to four weeks and you're leaving your entitled

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Speaker 3: to ten days sickly, what's complicated about that?

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Speaker 22: Well, you talk to any of the payroll providers or

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Speaker 22: any small businesses, they'll tell you that it's really complicated,

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Speaker 22: and it's very hard, especially because it looks at what

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Speaker 22: was really an old school way of working five days

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Speaker 22: forty hours in a week. It hasn't really adapted to

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Speaker 22: a modern flexible work environment, which is what we're aiming

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Speaker 22: to achieve. One of the areas that I've heard a

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Speaker 22: lot of concern by is that businesses have struggled to

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Speaker 22: adapt to the last government's increase in the sickle to

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Speaker 22: ten days. And I'm trying to bring in a bit

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Speaker 22: of proportionality there and say, yes, if you've got part

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Speaker 22: time staff members, is it proportional for all of those

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Speaker 22: part time workers to also have ten days? And I'll

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Speaker 22: give you a really good example of how this works.

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Speaker 22: I had a person who works in a DNA practice.

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Speaker 22: Reach out to the office. They said, this person who's

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Speaker 22: a dental hygienis works two days a week for them,

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Speaker 22: two days a week for another company. They're entitled to

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Speaker 22: twenty days sick leave under the law. That's disproportionate to

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Speaker 22: what a full time worker would get. So we're making

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Speaker 22: it easier to understand and comply with for a whole

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Speaker 22: range of different work environments.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean Brook that if you are that part

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Speaker 3: time worker at the dentists and you're only working two

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Speaker 3: days a week, you're not going to get the same

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Speaker 3: amount of sickly as I get when I work full

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Speaker 3: time and get ten days.

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Speaker 22: Well, we're bringing in that proportionality. Is it rights that

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Speaker 22: a person who might work two part time jobs get

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Speaker 22: double the sickly of allocation? Those are the types of

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Speaker 22: questions that I'm hoping to ask in that consultation. So

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Speaker 22: we're asking that of businesses, workers, legal experts, as well

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Speaker 22: as payroll providers to make sure that the law is simple,

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Speaker 22: it's easy to understand, it's clear. Businesses know what their

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Speaker 22: obligations are, workers know what their rights are, and that

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Speaker 22: we and all get on and as part of a

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Speaker 22: thriving economy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if we're talking about sickly being proportioned, is

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Speaker 3: it the same for annual leave.

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Speaker 22: Well, annual leave is currently a proportionate, so you might

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Speaker 22: get four weeks annual leave at the end of twelve

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Speaker 22: months of continuous employment. We're bringing that back to a

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Speaker 22: cruing annual leave, which means that you're accrue it over time,

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Speaker 22: doesn't matter that you've been there for twelve months or not.

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Speaker 22: But one thing I'd make clear is that doesn't mean

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Speaker 22: that people would get less annual leave than what they

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Speaker 22: currently get. That is part of one of those technical

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Speaker 22: changes that you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Brook Listen. I was talking earlier to David Seymour about

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Speaker 3: the Health and Safety legislation, which is obviously a terrible

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Speaker 3: thing inflicted upon this country, and he said, you're taking

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Speaker 3: a look at it, but he didn't know where you're

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Speaker 3: at with it. Where are you at with it?

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Speaker 22: It's possibly because I can't really talk about it yet.

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Speaker 22: So we've gone through cabinet processes and I'll be making

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Speaker 22: announcements and due course on where we're landing with that.

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 22: But I want to make it very clear to anybody

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Speaker 22: who's that Health and safety compliance is one of my

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 22: top priorities to get down and work on this term,

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01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 22: not just the Holidays Act, but health and safety as well.

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Speaker 3: But are you looking at a wholesale change like or

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Speaker 3: are you just going to tweak.

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Speaker 22: Well, we'll be asking that question as well, so I'll

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 22: be doing an in depth consultation making sure that we're

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01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 22: asking all of the right questions. So I'm not making

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 22: tweaks to the overall legislation if that's not needed, but

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Speaker 22: also not just tweaking regulations if it really is the

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01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 22: law that needs a change. But any large, any large

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 22: scale announcements too to come on that.

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Speaker 3: You give me hope, Brook, thank you for that, Brook

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Speaker 3: van Velden, Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety. I mean

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 3: the health and safety legislation in this country. Jeez, it's

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01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: written for idiots, right, it really is. It's written for idiotic,

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 3: like the dumbest and drunkest person you know. It's written

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 3: to keep them safe and keep them alive. I would

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 3: argue we shouldn't. I would argue Darwinism. Just let them

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01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: go for it. The rest of us don't need those rules.

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01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 3: We're keeping ourselves alive. Listen, I've got fantastic news for you.

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 3: Do you remember this story about this young man seventeen

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01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 3: years old who raped a young woman in Albert Park

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 3: in Auckland a while ago and got a ridiculous sentence.

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: Great news. His sentence has just been bumped up. I

1548
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 3: would say not by enough, but at least it's gone up.

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Speaker 3: This guy can't I don't know how you pronounced his name,

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01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 3: Peter Cossa Tatino. We'll have a crack at it like that.

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 3: He appeared in front of Judge Claire Ryan. Her bloody

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01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 3: well should have known better. She started with and it

1553
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 3: was like an abrogated aggregat aggravated knife point rape. He

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01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 3: knew exactly what he was doing. She started with a

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01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 3: possible sentence of eleven years and three months, gave him

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Speaker 3: discounts that were huge, like it was like seventy seven

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Speaker 3: percent in discounts. If she given them all the discounts

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 3: you wanted to give him, which is one hundred and

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01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 3: ten percent, God only knows what would have happened. But

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01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: she controlled her worst impulses, only appied seventy seven percent

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Speaker 3: in discounts and ended up sentencing this man for two years,

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 3: two months, and one week. In prison at the time.

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,839
Speaker 3: She lamented that it was probably going to be appealed,

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: absolutely mate, because your bloody will knew what you were

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 3: doing anyway. As a result, it's gone before the High Court.

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Speaker 3: Justice Peter Andrew, who knows better thank god, said, in

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Speaker 3: my view the District Court judge was in error in

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Speaker 3: her application of these principles in this case. Mister Costatino's

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01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 3: rape offending at knife point against a member of the

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01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 3: public walking through a central Auckland park was grave. It

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: caused the victim extensive and ongoing harm, and he ordered

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Speaker 3: a new sentence of three years and eleven months in prison,

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Speaker 3: which you can basically round up and say four years good.

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Speaker 3: It's the very least, very very least we should expect.

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Speaker 3: Well done, Justice Andrew, fourteen past six.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: HR platform for SME on newstalks NB Hey.

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Speaker 3: Can we Bank supports Kiwi businesses making a positive impact

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 3: because they believe that growing your profits and investing in

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01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 3: a more sustainable tomorrow actually can go and do go

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01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: hand in hand, and that's while they're partnering with innovative

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: businesses like blue Frog. This is the Kiwi breakfast brand

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: who started with a mission to make breakfast cereal that

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01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: was actually healthy and nutritious while also being tasty. They've

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Speaker 3: got the b Corpse certification and they've got a commitment

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Speaker 3: to zero waste to landfill by twenty twenty five. So

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01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: blue Frog do not compromise on flavor or sustainability and

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01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 3: partnered with Kiwi Bank and that has been pivotal to

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 3: blue Frog's success because it's enabled them to scale up

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01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 3: operations and maximize opportunities here and also over in the

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Speaker 3: Australian market. Today, Blue Frog's premium range is sold in

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01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: over three hundred and fifty stores in New Zealand and

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01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 3: almost fourteen hundred in Australia. They're backed by Kiwibank's funding

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01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: and business expertise. As a result, blue Frog's Frog's rapid

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01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 3: expansion shows no signs of slowing. It's another way that

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 3: Kiwi Bank is helping businesses to thrive by fueling growth

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01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 3: with positive impact.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplic Ellen, it's coming.

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Speaker 3: Up eighteen past six. As I said, we're going to

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: talk to Jeremy Hutton from Milford Asset Management shortly on

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: the gent tailor's boost from the t y announcement. But first,

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: the government's tax take has for the first time in

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01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 3: a while, surpassed treasuries expectations. Ironically, the positive surprise was

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 3: the result of efforts to minimize the amount of tax

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01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: the trustees pay. Genative trainee is The Herald's Wellington business

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01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: editor Hajena Hey. Ever, this is basically the trust's trying

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01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: to get as much money out as they could before

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01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 3: the tax rate went up to thirty nine percent.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Look, essentially, companies that are owned by trusts,

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 7: they appear to have flushed out the excess retained earnings

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 7: ahead of that trustee tax rate rising from thirty three

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 7: to thirty nine percent on the first of April this year.

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 7: So interestingly, I talked to the IID today and they

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01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 7: told me that the amount that the value of dividend

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01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 7: payments in the past tax year or more than doubled

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 7: to nearly fifty billion dollars from the previous year. So

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 7: that just shows the extent to which the companies did

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 7: flush out those retained earnings in advance of that trust

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 7: tax rate rising.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible though, that because so much has been

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01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 3: paid out in that financial year that when the next

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 3: one comes around, it drops off again.

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01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 7: So we saw the same sort of spike ahead of

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Speaker 7: the government introducing that new income tax rate of thirty

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Speaker 7: nine percent for income over one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

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01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 7: So before that came in, we saw the same thing happen.

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 7: The value of dividend payments. Payments spiked and then it

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 7: dropped back down again for the same reason, you know,

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01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 7: people trying to minimize their tax bills. So interesting phenomena.

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Speaker 7: I've got a graph here, have prepared a story for tomorrow,

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01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 7: and that jump in twenty twenty four is pretty significant.

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01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 7: Now in the revenue. This is not a surprise for them, right,

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Speaker 7: They kind of knew this would happen, and they issued

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01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 7: some advice earlier in the year that said this is

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 7: totally legal. You know, companies can choose when they pay dividends,

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 7: provided that payment is genuine, like, provided they're not just

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01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 7: saying they're making the payment but can't actually afford to

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 7: make the dividend payment, you know, provided it's real. So yeah,

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 7: interesting situation.

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Speaker 3: Other than this, how did the government's books look.

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Speaker 7: Well, this was the interesting thing actually that because of this,

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01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 7: the tax take was about one point seven percent higher

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 7: than expected. So as soon as I saw that, I thought, wow,

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 7: we haven't seen that in a few months at least,

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01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 7: with a tax stack coming in above expectation. This contributed

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01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 7: towards the government's deficit not being as deep as expected.

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 7: So yeah, interestingly, tax minimization trick actually resulted in the

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 7: government temporarily receiving more tax revenue than.

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Speaker 3: Expect Thank you appreciate it, mate. That's Jane Gibtraini, the

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01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 3: Herald's Wellington Business Edit editor. Either I was just stuck

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: behind a road cone truck picking up what seemed like

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01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: two k's of cones that they placed for the day's work.

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 3: Health and safety lad dictates the cones that is required.

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: Change the law, reduce the codes. I tell you what,

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 3: it will be one of the biggest gifts. I mean,

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01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 3: actor is delivering a series of potential gifts to us

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01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 3: as a country. They seem to have a very like

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01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 3: quite a bit of clarity on the things that are

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01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: causing us problems, and I'm very happy to tackle these

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 3: g narali issues if they are able to have a

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 3: crack at the health and safety laws and rewrite this

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: dog of a piece of legislation. It will be a

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01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 3: massive gift to this country because the health and safety

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01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 3: laws are just a shocker. Hither it should have been

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Speaker 3: forty years for that rape. How and for such a

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01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 3: pathetic sentence from a female judge beggars belief New Zealand

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01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 3: is absolutely soft on crime. Simon, you make a really

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01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 3: good point, like what was Claire Ryan the judge thinking

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 3: when she was like I'm going to give you What

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 3: was she thinking, which is I won't give you seventy

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 3: seven percent discount.

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Speaker 2: But it's probably going to be a build.

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01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a lot of people are going to like this.

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01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 3: Probably it's probably maybe even the higher courts not gonna

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 3: like this. What was she thinking? She not embarrassed? Is

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 3: she not embarrassed as a district court judge to have

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01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 3: a high court judge go, yeah, she's wrong. I mean

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: that's got that sucks, doesn't it. You want as few

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01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 3: of your decisions to be appealed?

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01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 7: So what was she thinking?

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01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 3: What was her motivation put herself out there like some

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01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, weird, just so weird. Oh, mate needs

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 3: to rethink her job, really, doesn't she six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and My Hr,

1688
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME News.

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: Talk SB six twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Hutton Milford Aid Managements with Us.

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01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 6: Hey, Jeremy, Good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Were you surprised by the fact that there was a

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01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 3: twenty year deal with Typoint?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it was the news that everyone who follows the

1695
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 23: New Zealand electricity sector had been waiting for eagerly, and

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 23: it was a positive, positive news. And yes, the deal

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01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 23: length was a surprise. So Moody and Energy, who is

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01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 23: the primary negotiator, had requested a longer deal than the

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Speaker 23: normal or the previous three yearly deal cycle, and Rio Tinto,

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 23: who's the owner of the smelter, liked to play hardball

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 23: around the shorter timing in the past, so effectively Meridian

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01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 23: was seeking the longer term, a more meaningful deal and

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01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 23: something that it gives a sector more opportunity to invest

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01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 23: long term and of course give the local community done

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01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 23: in Southland and more be around jobs and opportunities as well.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon this means for New renewable projects

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01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: in the country. Will more of them get built?

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01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 23: Yeah, it should be a large positive for new renewable

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01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 23: builds in New Zealand. And the Toy smelter is a

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01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 23: really large user of electricity in the country, around twelve

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01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 23: to thirteen percent of total electricity demand. And if the

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01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 23: smelter had exited, it would have left the electricity market

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 23: and a heavy oversupply, and this incentive to build for

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01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 23: developers would have been going probably for the rest of

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Speaker 23: this decade.

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01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 3: And a smelter exit would have impacted our country's electrification plans.

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Speaker 23: Do you think, yeah, my viewer would have. It would

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 23: have impacted our ability to decarbonize and electrify materially. And

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 23: we do as a country need to produce a lot

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01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 23: more electricity to meet our total country carbon commitment goals.

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01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 23: And the gent tailors and other developers have been building

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Speaker 23: a large amount of view generation already, mainly on the

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01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 23: back of growing demand from things like electric vehicles and

1724
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 23: data centers that we know. But now the gent tailors

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01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 23: and other developers will be you know, they have that

1726
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 23: certainty to commit to more generation and they are long

1727
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 23: term projects, so they need that certainty. And there are

1728
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 23: some great wind projects that I think will kick off

1729
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 23: on the back of this, particularly down in the Deep

1730
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 23: South were there is some great resource. Unfortunately it's really

1731
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 23: close to large users like the ty smelter as well.

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Speaker 3: That's good stuff. And what happened to the share prices

1733
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:43,480
Speaker 3: of the gent tailor's.

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01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,879
Speaker 23: Yeah, the size of the positive reaction was a surprise

1735
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 23: to me. I mean, the market had been anticipating a

1736
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 23: ty Stay deal as likely, so part of the good

1737
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 23: news was factored and already, but there is always some

1738
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 23: risk that the exit scenario could play out, and that

1739
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 23: was in the price of a little bit too, albeit

1740
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 23: it was small in this instance. So you saw a

1741
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 23: small pop of between three and five percent for the

1742
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 23: big three gent tailors, so Meridi and Mercury and Contact.

1743
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 23: But there was always also a bit of other action.

1744
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 23: On that day, there was a large passive index rebalancing event,

1745
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 23: and that generally happens on the last trading month, of

1746
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 23: the last trading day of the month, and these passive

1747
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 23: funds tend to stort the market a little bit. When

1748
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 23: that hit in the last hour, those share prices took

1749
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 23: another leg up and Meridian finished up ten percent on

1750
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 23: the day. Which is really a huge move for a

1751
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 23: steady gent tailor like Meridian.

1752
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you what, Jeremy, Thank you, Jeremy Hutton, Milford

1753
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 3: Asset Management. Hey have you one of the mum and

1754
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 3: dad investors buying into these companies when the country sold down? Chudge, hang,

1755
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 3: good move from you. Okay, here we go. Funeral staff

1756
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 3: and Lincoln, Nebraska called the coppers. It's hit. The papers

1757
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 3: called the coppers when they discovered that a seventy four

1758
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: year old woman who had been pronounced dead two hours

1759
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: earlier was actually still alive. They were getting her ready

1760
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 3: for the funeral when a member of the staff noticed

1761
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 3: she was still breathing and called nine one one. She

1762
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 3: was taken to hospital, but then she died. So it

1763
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: ended in the same way. But that's scary, isn't it.

1764
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 3: Like when I was a kid, That's what we used

1765
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 3: to freak each other out about being buried alive.

1766
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: It's pretty close to that. Headlines Next, crunching the numbers

1767
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 2: and getting the results, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen with the

1768
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 2: business hours.

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01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: us talks edb.

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01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 3: Jes clutch me.

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01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: I still get.

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: One of the things that happened in UK politics particularly

1774
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: interesting at the moment because of course they are not

1775
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 3: far other they're like a month away from their election.

1776
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 3: They're not far away from their election. And they had

1777
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: the debate last night, and actually Rashie didn't do too badly,

1778
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 3: given that we don't expect Rishi to do very well

1779
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 3: at things nowadays. The audience did. He had bad moments,

1780
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 3: of course he did. It's Rishi sunk. The audience laugh

1781
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: at him when he claimed that the NHIST waiting lists

1782
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: have got shorter since he took over.

1783
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 12: We are now making progress. The waiting lists are coming

1784
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 12: down more two.

1785
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 13: Million, they're now seven point five million. It says they're

1786
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 13: coming down, and the guy's good at mass.

1787
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are.

1788
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 12: Now coming down. They are now coming down.

1789
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 13: Seven point two When you said you get them down

1790
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 13: seven point two million, then our seven point five million.

1791
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,839
Speaker 13: I'd like you to explain how they're coming.

1792
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 12: Down, because they were coming down from where they were

1793
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 12: when they were higher on their way down.

1794
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 2: They are down, right.

1795
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: But then when the debate started to talk about text,

1796
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 3: which is a saw point for labor in basically any

1797
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 3: country that labor operates, and Richie started making some headway.

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01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 12: For the first time in our country's history. If labor

1799
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 12: are elected, pensioners will pay tax. I do not think

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01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 12: that is right and you should explain to everyone why

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01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 12: you think pensioners will be paying a retirement under your government.

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 8: The big problem with Liz Truss.

1803
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 13: Is that she made up is that she made funded

1804
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 13: tax cuts.

1805
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: All right.

1806
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 13: The Prime Minister is doing the saving.

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01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 6: Dong.

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01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to pay more tax. We're going to talk

1809
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: to Gavin Gray about it. He'll be with us in

1810
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 3: ten minutes time, right now, twenty two away from.

1811
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: Seven together do for Sea Elen, one of.

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01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 3: New Zealand's largest property developers, has just announced two massive

1813
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 3: new projects in Auckland. Precinct Properties is buying a property

1814
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 3: on Queen Street to build student accommodation. Also bought another

1815
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 3: property on Dominion Road to build apartments Jashi Mark's a

1816
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 3: big move away from commercial property towards residential property for

1817
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 3: the company. Scott Pritchett is the Precincts Property CEO. Hey Scott, Hi,

1818
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: here the how are you? I'm very well, thank you.

1819
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 3: Why have you decided to move into the residential stuff?

1820
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 24: Well, look, I mean for a long time now we've

1821
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 24: been developing a commercial office and then in the last

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01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 24: few years we've sort of moved into mixed use development

1823
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 24: where you add retail and other uses to office, and

1824
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 24: it sort of seems to us to be a really

1825
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 24: natural extension of our business activities to now move into

1826
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 24: residential Are.

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01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 3: You a little bit worried about where things are at

1828
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 3: on the commercial property front?

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01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 24: Look, I think for the most part, a lot of

1830
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 24: the valuation impacts have already been felt. You know, commercial

1831
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 24: properties down sort of ten to twelve percent over the

1832
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 24: last two years, and you know, interest rates are moderating,

1833
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 24: so we expect from here the outlook to remain more

1834
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 24: consistent and more constant than it has been for the

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01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 24: last few years.

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01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 3: Why student accommodation, Well, I.

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01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 24: Mean student accommodation is actually an international students in particular

1838
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 24: are a big economy in Auckland. We're still not back

1839
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 24: to the levels that we were pre pandemic, and pre

1840
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 24: pandemic that was a five billion dollar industry. One of

1841
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 24: the biggest issues that we're seeing is that there's it's

1842
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 24: not enough beds for international students to come to Auckland,

1843
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 24: and not enough regional or domestic students to come here either,

1844
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 24: So you know, we're basically meeting that demand and want

1845
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,839
Speaker 24: to provide new supply so that you know, more students

1846
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 24: can come here.

1847
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 3: Do you reckon apartments are catching on in this country?

1848
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 24: Well, I think they have to, you know, when we

1849
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 24: have immigration levels at the level that we do, and

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01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 24: you know, we have a planning regime which is very permissive,

1851
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 24: which actually allows more density in and around the city.

1852
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 24: I think we're going to see more and more apartment

1853
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 24: living and it makes it more attainable, and that's what

1854
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 24: we think is what's desperately needed.

1855
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 3: Does your apartment, your apartment block come with car parks

1856
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 3: or no?

1857
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: Oh?

1858
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 24: Absolutely, Heather, you still think they're important. Look, we do

1859
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 24: think they're important in any location. Frankly. I mean, public

1860
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 24: transport is good and it's getting better, but you know, Ke,

1861
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 24: we still love to drive your car.

1862
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 3: Hey, how are you going with the plans for the

1863
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 3: apartments at the downtown car park site.

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01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 24: Look, they're they're still in design. We're incredibly excited about

1865
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 24: that opportunity. I mean, bringing that quality and that scale

1866
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 24: of development into the city center. I mean, one of

1867
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 24: the things that we think is lacking in the city

1868
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 24: center is people that live there. We've only got about

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01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 24: forty thousand and we should have more like eighty two

1870
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 24: one hundred thousand in our city center. So we're going

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01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 24: to try and do our part and we're really excited

1872
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 24: about that opportunity because of Scotlsten.

1873
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 3: I mean, so you've got the stuff going on at

1874
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 3: the downtown car park, You've also got the stuff going

1875
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 3: on at Queen Street. Are you Are you at all

1876
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 3: worried about the level of crime and whether it's going

1877
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: to make those desirable locations or do you reckon it'll

1878
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 3: be sorted by the time you've actually got people living

1879
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,799
Speaker 3: in these buildings.

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01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 24: We're worried about it. We need more police on our

1881
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 24: streets in the city center, There's no doubt about that.

1882
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 24: And I think we've seen a real absence of police

1883
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 24: and there's a consequence. You've seen crime showed up to

1884
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 24: really really, you know, material and quite concerning levels. So

1885
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 24: we need more police on the streets in the city center. Yeah,

1886
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 24: and do you have hope, Well, I'm hopeful that they're

1887
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 24: listening because there's a lot of people talking about it,

1888
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 24: and quite rightly show because the level of crime is

1889
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 24: at levels that have never been seen before. So we

1890
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:38,879
Speaker 24: need a response.

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01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 3: Scott, It's good to talk to you, mate, and best

1892
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 3: of luck with it. That's Scott Richard, Precinct Property CEO

1893
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 3: togever dupy Ellen speaking of students, the Auckland University, students

1894
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 3: who were on that rent strike where they decided they

1895
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 3: weren't going to pay rent anymore because the rent was

1896
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 3: too expensive, have called off the rent strike. There were

1897
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 3: only sixteen of them doing it, apparently, according to the

1898
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 3: University of Auckland the end of May when they called

1899
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 3: it off. They said that the reason that they called

1900
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: it off was intimidation tactics by the University of Auckland

1901
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: which contributed to an unsafe environment for students and strikers

1902
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 3: to fight for safe, secure and affordable accommodation. They said

1903
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 3: the university had not engaged with a campaign. They said

1904
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 3: the university had bullied students refusing to pay rent.

1905
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 6: Mate.

1906
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 3: All they would have done was been like pay your rent,

1907
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 3: You're gonna pay your rent, pay your rent. That would

1908
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 3: have been the bullying. Would have been like pay your

1909
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 3: rent all we're kicking you out, which is not bullying.

1910
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 3: That's just a contractual arrangement. Welcome to the real world. Jeez,

1911
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 3: life is going to be tough if you things. Oh,

1912
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 3: life is going to be tough with this lot. I

1913
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 3: cannot wait to see these guys what are they called again,

1914
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 3: forgotten their name already students for fair end. I'm going

1915
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 3: to google them in the next ad break, I'm gonna

1916
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 3: memorize them. And then in twenty years time when they

1917
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 3: pop up inevitably as some darrow somewhere just having had

1918
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 3: the like an absolute bum rap from life, because because

1919
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 3: you know that's the direction they're heading in, then I'll

1920
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 3: be like, oh, yes, told you so. Now, yesterday we

1921
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 3: were talking about the Internet stuff and the screen time

1922
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 3: for the kids and stuff. As studies come out overnight,

1923
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 3: it shows that if the kiddies get addicted to the Internet,

1924
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,799
Speaker 3: that causes other problems as well. It's not just internet

1925
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 3: addiction for them that's a problem. Then it actually alters

1926
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 3: the brain chemistry in their heads, right, the chemistry changes

1927
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: they've got the Internet addiction, Then they have other addictive

1928
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 3: behaviors as well that come as a result of that.

1929
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:33,440
Speaker 3: Plus they have behavioral changes linked to mental health, development,

1930
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 3: intellectual ability, and physical coordination. So if you want your

1931
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 3: child to be the young co one that can't catch

1932
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 3: the cricket ball, just chuck that phone in front of them, like,

1933
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 3: just perpetuate that trope because apparently it's real. The problem

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01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 3: is kids are addicted to the internet. Right, Almost half

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01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 3: of British teenagers where the study was done have said

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01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 3: that they feel addicted to social media. One of the

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Speaker 3: study researchers gives this advice. We would advise that young

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Speaker 3: people enforce sensible time limit for their daily internet usage

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Speaker 3: and ensure that they are aware of the psychological and

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Speaker 3: social implications of spending too much time online, which is

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Speaker 3: pretty good advice. Right, It's cool to do it. It's

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Speaker 3: cool to use the phone. We all have to use

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Speaker 3: the phone. It's twenty twenty four. Don't use it for

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Speaker 3: too long during the day. You're getting addicted sixteen away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with hither duplic Ellen

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Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for SME used to.

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Speaker 3: Xib Kevin Gray, UK correspondents with US now evening to you, Gevin,

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Speaker 3: Hi there, Heather. How bad does the cyber attack at

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Speaker 3: the hospitals?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it's I'm afraid being pretty serious. So This was

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Speaker 25: an attack on a third party provider to the National

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Speaker 25: Health Service, but it has seen I'm afraid some pretty

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Speaker 25: widespread disruption yesterday and that's going to carry on through

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Speaker 25: to today. We're being warned a critical incident has been declared,

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Speaker 25: with operations being canceled, emergency patients being diverted elsewhere, King

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Speaker 25: College Hospital, Guys and Saint Thomas's, Royal Brompton Children's Hospital,

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Speaker 25: the Evelina and also some primary care services. In other words,

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Speaker 25: local doctor services have been affected with a major impact

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Speaker 25: on the delivery of services, especially blood transfusion and also

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Speaker 25: getting back test results. So as you can imagine if

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Speaker 25: you're in the hospital awaiting a major operation then told

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Speaker 25: that it's been postponed, very very disappointing. Apparently servers, departments

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Speaker 25: rather couldn't connect to the main server and so consequently

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Speaker 25: they've had to do all this work. Now, the National

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Speaker 25: Health Service spending a lot of money on cybersecurity, but

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Speaker 25: in this particular incident, as I mentioned, it was partnering

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Speaker 25: with a provider of pathology services called Cinebus. Cinemas say

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Speaker 25: they're throwing everything out of it to get this sorted.

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Speaker 25: They're very sorry, but I'm all sorts of speculation about

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Speaker 25: who it might be, with some suggesting it is a

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Speaker 25: Russian group behind this cyber attack.

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Speaker 23: Hey, who do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Won the debate?

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Speaker 25: I think that our first prime ministerial debate or first

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Speaker 25: general election television debate was pretty close. However, I was

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Speaker 25: surprised to see Rishi Sunac come out quite so punchy.

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Speaker 25: Sakir Starmer, a former lawyer, was rather lawyer lee for

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Speaker 25: the opposition party. A few ums and ours and a

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Speaker 25: few sort of very slow delivery. Neither of them, frankly

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Speaker 25: has much charisma, natural TV charisma as it were. But

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Speaker 25: Rishisunac came out really punching, and there were some pretty

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Speaker 25: heated exchanges, particularly over tax, the Prime Minister accusing the

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Speaker 25: opposition party Labor of costing every single family in the

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Speaker 25: UK more than four and a half thousand dollars in

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Speaker 25: tax a claimed that they Labor opposition party said was

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Speaker 25: absolute garbage. They also clashed over the National Health Service.

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Speaker 25: After all, if you've been in charge for fourteen years,

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Speaker 25: you can't really blame anyone else, although COVID and a

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Speaker 25: doctor strike were being blamed, and also immigration. Immigration very

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Speaker 25: much back in the frame since Nigel Farage, the former

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Speaker 25: Brexit leader, and now they're a form UK leader standing

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Speaker 25: for a constituency, suggesting his aim and his demands were

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Speaker 25: zero net migration. The other parties trying to think of

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Speaker 25: clear policies about trying to sort that out.

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Speaker 3: Given why is Stephen Fry in trouble? What's he done?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 25: Steenefries the former president of one of Britain's most exclusive clubs,

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Speaker 25: the MCC, the Marylbund Cricket Club, the home of Lord's

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Speaker 25: Cricket and it is one with a huge waiting list

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Speaker 25: for people trying to get in. Now, he was at

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Speaker 25: a literary festival and talked a little bit about lots

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Speaker 25: of things, including racism at cricket, which was what this

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Speaker 25: side event was about. And he spoke about the Marylanbund

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Speaker 25: Cricket Club and said that, I quote, it stinks of

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Speaker 25: privilege and classicism. He also said, in a longer quote,

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Speaker 25: it has a public face that's deeply disturbing. Beetroot colored

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Speaker 25: gentleman in yellow and orange blazer sitting in this space

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Speaker 25: in front of the long room and looking as if

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Speaker 25: they'd come out of an Edwardian cartoon. Well, the problem

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Speaker 25: for him is that these comments made at the meeting

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Speaker 25: have now gone public and there is in the laws

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Speaker 25: and regulations of being a member something about bringing the

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Speaker 25: club into disrepute, and it's reported several other members have

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Speaker 25: now written to the committee saying they believe he has

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Speaker 25: breached that regulation and therefore needs to be suspended. Well,

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Speaker 25: an investigation we think is underway, with one member telling

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Speaker 25: the local media that basically, you know, he swans around

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Speaker 25: as a chairman for a whole year and the moment

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Speaker 25: that's over he then slags them all off at the

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Speaker 25: literature Festival, and so consequently he could be suspended. We'll

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Speaker 25: have to see. I have to say the term showboating

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Speaker 25: is probably one that Stephen Fry would rather enjoy being described.

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Speaker 3: Gavin, Thank you very much appreciated, Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: There's something I love about Stephen Fry. Just constantly gets

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Speaker 3: himself in a little bit of trouble, but it's kind

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Speaker 3: of just like mildly naughty. It's not that naughty, Heather,

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Speaker 3: those students for fair Rent people probably end up as

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Speaker 3: green MP's bang on. That's what happens if like the

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Speaker 3: real world is difficult and you can't watch make it work.

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Speaker 3: But you really like, you really want to have money,

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Speaker 3: but virtuous money. You become a green MP and you'll

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Speaker 3: bang on. That's what they're all going to become. Matthew Lee,

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Speaker 3: Alex MacLeod, Gory Singh, Jennifer Settefano, Christopher Gerard, Maria Truong,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. They're going to be green MPs,

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Speaker 3: or at least some of them are proportion a good

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Speaker 3: percentage of them. Here's the interesting thing. You know how

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Speaker 3: I told you that sixteen that was in the end,

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Speaker 3: it was only sixteen of them doing the rent strike.

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Speaker 3: The rent strike finish my sentence. So I went to

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Speaker 3: have a look at the students for Fair Rent website

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Speaker 3: and the team is one, two, three, four, five sixty seven,

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Speaker 3: So like fifty percent of them basically who are on

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Speaker 3: strike are members of the team. That's not a very

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Speaker 3: convincing campaign, is it? Eight away from seven?

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen

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Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for sme us talks b.

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Speaker 3: I am a disgrace. I completely forgot about this until

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Speaker 3: I was like clearing out all my texts and preparation,

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Speaker 3: you know, starting to clear up the desk, get ready

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Speaker 3: for Darcy to come in. The boomer sent the text.

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Speaker 3: In the end, it actually came in at four point

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Speaker 3: fifty two, which means it took twenty minutes for the

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Speaker 3: boomer from the first text that said these are the

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Speaker 3: facts to then craft the remaining text and send it

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Speaker 3: to us.

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Speaker 4: This is it.

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Speaker 3: This is why I need to be nice about boomers.

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Speaker 3: According to the boomer, number one seven points, I think

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Speaker 3: boomers were born under a New Zealand government that cared

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Speaker 3: about all of his citizens. Number two, Boomers were on

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Speaker 3: the beginning of mankind's greatest technological endeavor, which is traveling

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Speaker 3: into space. Number three Boomers were born to parents and

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Speaker 3: grandparents who had endured a great depression and the greatest

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Speaker 3: conflict the world has ever seen. That's not yours to claim, Boomer.

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Speaker 3: You were born well done. Your parents and grandparents dealt

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Speaker 3: with the great depression and the great will.

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Speaker 11: Not you, I know on the space thing as well.

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Speaker 11: The most of them would have been kids when that happened, right.

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Speaker 3: You didn't go to SPA. The greatest, the greatest generation

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Speaker 3: went to space. You didn't go to space. You were

2074
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 3: like a midget when O'Neil Armstrong was walking. He had

2075
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,919
Speaker 3: nothing to do with that anyway. Four. We as boomers,

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01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 3: are the largest business owners in the country. Five. We

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Speaker 3: love life and look forward to every day as it

2078
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: could be our last day in this beautiful country. Six

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Speaker 3: isn't your husband a Boomer? This makes me an authority

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Speaker 3: on boomers. It makes me an authority on boomers. Seven

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01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 3: we worked hard for ourselves as children. Out of respect

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01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 3: to our very hard working parents and four fathers. They

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01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 3: never had the luxuries that everyone takes for granted. Your

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01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 3: vitreal towards boomers is unfounded. It should be directed at

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Speaker 3: the people running our country. It largely is not. Look,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. I don't have a problem with boomers.

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Speaker 3: Boomers are legit an example for the rest of us

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01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 3: because boomer has actually started. A lot of boomers grew

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Speaker 3: up with dads who were very scarred from the wars,

2090
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 3: mums who had to deal with all of that nonsense.

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Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of money in the house, and

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Speaker 3: Boomers ended up being the wealthiest generation. When I've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of respect for boomers, I just like giving

2094
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 3: you jip, because then I get these gigantic texts bless

2095
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 3: your boomers ants, and you still didn't go to the moon.

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01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 3: Now you did it?

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Speaker 11: Part of Glass by Blondie to play us out tonight.

2098
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,799
Speaker 11: Chris Stein of Blondie, a boomer himself, actually has confirmed

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Speaker 11: that basically he will never too with the band again,

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Speaker 11: so we'll never see the full like original lineup.

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01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,799
Speaker 3: Why is it because Debbie's difficult?

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Speaker 11: Well, no, it's his health problems. He's putting it down

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Speaker 11: to He's had quite a rock star lifestyle and a

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01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 11: bunch of health So what he literally said was, I've

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Speaker 11: got an iffing heart condition and I'm at the tail

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01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 11: end of dealing with prostate cancer. So I just thought,

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Speaker 11: if it you know, which you know, fair enough, I

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Speaker 11: can respect that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair enough. Actually, this is one of the

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Speaker 3: I reckon Blondie, one of the greatest bands of their era,

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Speaker 3: just because it sounds as fresh today as if it

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Speaker 3: was cut today. Enjoy see you tomorrow, actually see Friday,

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Speaker 3: You've got Jack Tomorrow. I'm going I'm going to party.

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