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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack tame On, Hither duple c Allen drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand, Let's get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 3: dB Jeralder, Good afternoon and welcome to news Talk's EDB.

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Speaker 3: Jack Taman for Heather who's still a little bit under

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Speaker 3: the weather. The All Black and Crusaders star Sevy Reese

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Speaker 3: has been back in court, not his first time, that

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Speaker 3: his first time appearing before a judge, not his first

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Speaker 3: time being discharged without a conviction. Will tell you about

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Speaker 3: his case and what it might mean for his rugby

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Speaker 3: prospects going forward. After five this evening as well as

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Speaker 3: that better news potentially for Kiwi, Liam Lawson and f

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Speaker 3: one big reports from ESPN suggesting that Sergio Periz is

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Speaker 3: going to be cut from Red Bull, which would potentially

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Speaker 3: open a seat in the faster car. Who would take

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Speaker 3: that seat? Could it be our man from New Zealand

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Speaker 3: who gets the hot seat? We'll tell you very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Right now it is eight minutes past for Jack. Team

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Speaker 3: had a huge political victory for Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown,

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Speaker 3: massive victory for him having campaigned on taking greater control

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Speaker 3: over Auckland's CEOs, the council control organizations. The mayor is

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Speaker 3: set to get his wish when it comes to Auckland transport.

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Speaker 3: Transport Minister Simeon Brown confirming this afternoon that Auckland's transport

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Speaker 3: policy and planning is going to shift from AT back

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Speaker 3: over to Auckland Council. Now remember, under the model that

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Speaker 3: we currently have, Auckland Council has two elected councilors on

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Speaker 3: the Board of AT. But Wayne Brown has argued that

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Speaker 3: that model assigned far too much of the major decision

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Speaker 3: making around transport policy in Auckland to unelected officials. He

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Speaker 3: was always lamenting that people come up to him in

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Speaker 3: actually AT's responsibility, not realizing that the council itself had

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Speaker 3: limited control overall contransport. Now, like all power, of course,

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Speaker 3: you have to be careful what you wish for. If

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Speaker 3: Auckland Council and local boards are to have more authority

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Speaker 3: over transport planning in our bigger city, they will also

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Speaker 3: have more of the blame if residents don't feel they're

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Speaker 3: making the right cause. But under the changes Auckland Council

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Speaker 3: is going to retain a transport CEO. It's just those

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Speaker 3: big planning policies that shift over to the council and

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Speaker 3: you've got to say, you know, Wayne Brown's critics would

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Speaker 3: have to accept he has surprised a lot of people

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Speaker 3: as mayor. He's built relationships on both sides of the

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Speaker 3: political spectrum. He has advocated effectively for Auckland's rate pays.

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Speaker 3: He promised to get greater control over the council controlled

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Speaker 3: organizations and all contransport was top of the list. And

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Speaker 3: whether you like the Council's subsequent transport policies, whether you

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Speaker 3: like the plans that Auckland Council comes up with regarding

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Speaker 3: back controls of the ceosan Brown has delivered. Jack T

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Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number if you want to

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Speaker 3: get in touch Jack at Newstalks headb dot co dot

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Speaker 3: nz is the email addressed. Don't forget if you are

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Speaker 3: sending us a text. Standard text costs supply. New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: long awaited new defense plan has been delayed once again,

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Speaker 3: and the Defense Minister has blamed a worsening security situation

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Speaker 3: in the Pacific. The Defense Capability Plan is supposed to

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Speaker 3: lay out our defense spending for the coming decades. But

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Speaker 3: a Chinese intercontinental ballistic missile with a mock warhead landed

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Speaker 3: Chinese Chinese Navy destroyer visited Vanuatu. Defense Minister deu with

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Speaker 3: Collins is with US is Asternoon. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Just how concerning are those recent events?

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Speaker 4: Well, he's quite it's quite concerning because they are different

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Speaker 4: from what we've seen before. And the recent Chinese Navy

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Speaker 4: So it's certainly much more militarization now within the Pacific.

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Speaker 3: So how has it changed your plans when it comes

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Speaker 3: to the defense capability plan.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the fact is that we have to

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Speaker 4: be aware that, you know, a small nation like us,

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Speaker 4: we can't do everything that we would like to do.

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Speaker 4: But it is important to understand that even this year

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Speaker 3: So up until this point, did the plan not give

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, what defense we're working on, and I

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Speaker 4: I think, and perhaps Defense was thinking, well, hopefully things

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Speaker 4: a lot worse. So if I just consider the China's

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Speaker 4: a big shift in resources and yes, things have changed,

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Speaker 4: so you know. Also, you know, the North Korean's going

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Speaker 4: it's a bigger game. The last time there was a

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Speaker 4: to be very realistic about what we can do, what

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Speaker 4: how we might need to reassess it if things get worse.

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Speaker 3: So you said today quote people need to understand that

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand. What do you mean by much.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's we're not We can't sit down this end

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Speaker 4: we need to be also aware. For instance, in Antarctica

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Speaker 4: Actually, all these things are very important. So we just

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Speaker 4: need to be aware that the game has changed.

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Speaker 3: Labour's ruled out joining Orcust Pillar two and says that

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Speaker 3: before the next election. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty disappointing. I mean, Labor and Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 4: you know, New Zealand's forign policy should be actually determined

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Speaker 4: that's pretty disappointing. It's the first sort of overt politicization

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Speaker 4: pretty disappointing our meeting this week with the Australian Labor

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Speaker 4: Minister for Defense and Deputy Prime Minister Peters is meeting

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Speaker 4: with Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister for Australia. Their Labor,

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Speaker 4: they're hardcore concerned about security of their country. I'd say

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Speaker 4: Chris Hopkins should be too.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that Beijing is pulling the strings

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Speaker 4: You were suggesting, No, I don't know who's pulling their strings,

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Speaker 4: and frankly, you know, I don't know who is. But

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Speaker 4: I think the point is for Labor is that they're

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Speaker 4: but I do think they're acting in a very political way.

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Speaker 4: When foreign policy has always been something that we have

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Speaker 4: tried very very hard to have a bipartisan arrangement on.

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Speaker 4: They've just gone out and done this without any discussion

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Speaker 4: with us. So basically they're saying that they're on their own.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks for your time. We appreciate it. That

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Speaker 3: is Defense Minister Judith Colin. Thank you for your feedback

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 6: Jack.

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Speaker 3: If we're going to get new frigates there, for Christ's sake,

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Speaker 3: don't put autopilots in them. I think I think it's

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Speaker 3: the autopilot, isn't the problem? Knowing when the autopilot is

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Speaker 3: on and off is the problem. Knowing how to turn

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Speaker 3: that's the problem. But yeah, thank you for that. Ninety

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Speaker 2: On Heather Duples c Alum Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected.

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Speaker 1: That news talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Sports talk host Darcy Waldgrave is in the house. Good

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Speaker 3: aff noon, Jackie. So is Red Bull Gonna sack Sergio

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Speaker 3: peis what.

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Speaker 7: Looks like it? We say the reports, and normally you

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Speaker 7: don't give much credibility to reports because the reports. Everyone

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Speaker 7: wants to talk about formula one. It is such a

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Speaker 7: big sport. But this has been building and building and

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Speaker 7: building for a long time, predominantly because Checko Cugio Peiis

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Speaker 7: has had an awful year. He was going at the

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Speaker 7: start of the year sign himself another year on contract

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Speaker 7: and then the wheels fell off, not literally, but really,

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Speaker 7: and so he really hasn't got a Future's cost them

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Speaker 7: so much money by not finishing up the order because

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Speaker 7: Red Ball now aren't going to finish in the top

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Speaker 7: they might finish top three. The amount of money you

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Speaker 7: get that generates we're talking eight figures that they're missing

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Speaker 3: Such so because you've got for Stappin, his teammate who's

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Speaker 3: won the Driver's Championship, right, and so you would expect

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Speaker 3: since he is driving exactly the same car as Maxis Stappened,

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Speaker 3: more or less exactly, you know what I mean, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Stappens performance. Maybe not quite as good as Maxis Stappened,

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Speaker 3: not going to win the Manufacturers champion and that's the

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Speaker 7: All want that's the one because that's the one where

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Speaker 7: the money and that's the whole edict. Do you win

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Speaker 7: on Sunday, you sell on Monday. Ye, not that red

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Speaker 7: balls sell street cars, but that's the whole drive behind it.

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Speaker 7: And when you haven't got a guy pulling his weight,

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Speaker 7: it's well, you know, you've got to go. I know

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Speaker 7: he sells a lot of energy drink in Mexico, but

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Speaker 7: that can only last so long and reportedly it's going

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Speaker 7: to be a massive payout to get him out of

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Speaker 7: his contract. But they just cannot deal with this any longer.

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Speaker 7: So we'll find out post w W, which is the

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Speaker 7: last race of the season this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the Middle East, Joseph Parker's heading Casaudi to

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. Looking forward to this evening. Darcy will

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Speaker 6: Jack.

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Speaker 3: We're so consumed with China's military activity, why are we

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Speaker 2: Jack tam cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack Tam on Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 3: And he has flicked me a note, says Jack. Thank goodness,

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Speaker 3: we have sensible Judith Collins running our defense portfolio at

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Speaker 3: more detail than simply saying, oh, advanced military technology or

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Speaker 3: to more of your feedback after four thirty plenty more

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Speaker 8: Next on News Dog z'd be it is beautiful, thes

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Speaker 2: Questions, strong opinion, Jack tame On, Heather Duflicy Eland.

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Speaker 2: It Benny myself.

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Speaker 1: Every week. You can't tell they said zero.

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Speaker 8: Health News that you were Jack Tame So Health New

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Speaker 8: Zealand's books are in like marginally better, a marginally better

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Speaker 3: still a reason for concerning anywhere. The Health Minister is

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Speaker 3: I'll get you more of your feedback before then to

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Speaker 3: Right now it is twenty four minutes to five.

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks anti drive.

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Speaker 3: And the President of Georgia has spoken out against the

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Speaker 3: Syrian opposition forces have pushed through Aleppo to the outskirts

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Speaker 9: The regimes continued disruption of the United Nations sponsored political

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Speaker 3: And finally, Bah, if you know it, you know it,

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Speaker 3: and if you know it, you love it. An American

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Speaker 3: two episode Christmas Swim. So while the crowns being worn

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Speaker 3: Ozzie's sometimes refer to Christmas crackers as bomb bonds. We're

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Speaker 2: That international correspondence ends and eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 3: The man the legiond is with us. Now, you don't

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Speaker 10: I think that I have. I have heard them called

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Speaker 10: bon bonds, Jack. But a bond bond can also be

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Speaker 10: I think that's probably more where my linguistic kind of

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Speaker 10: I think a bond bond. I mean, a cracker is

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Speaker 3: But a bonbond sweet is also wrapped in the kind

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Speaker 5: That's true?

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Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's got something to do with

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Speaker 10: Two ends outstanding.

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Speaker 3: Well, these are the issues that matter, clearly, Hey, this

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Speaker 3: Your Reserve bank, your central bank is coppon criticism for

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Speaker 10: Well, that's what a lot of economists are saying. The

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Speaker 10: So four point three five percent, and people are squealing

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Speaker 10: The unemployment rate currently four point one percent. If you

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure you want that. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 10: They could not do that, couldn't afflicted them the population.

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Speaker 10: And I suggest Michelle Bullock might herself out of a

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Speaker 10: And you've got a columnists saying one thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: So we are currently at four point two five percent

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Speaker 3: the dual mandate for the reserve banks. The Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: to keep a mind inflation as well as unemployment. But

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 5: Mind?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've not.

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Speaker 10: Heard that phrase applied to the beautiful building in Martin

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Speaker 6: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 10: They're watching unemployment and they they are very well aware

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Speaker 10: of inflation. Yeah, and the two are inextricably linked. So

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Speaker 10: to the extent that you've got a name for yours,

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure we've got a name for ours. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: that's your bottom gone there both looking thing.

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Speaker 3: We had we had, we had a dual mandate. This

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Speaker 3: was the first thing, the very first thing this new

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Speaker 3: government did was scraped the dual mandates. And they're no

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Speaker 3: longer focusing on maximum employment. They're focusing on focusing on

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Speaker 3: inflation and inflation only tell us about the teens have

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Speaker 3: been breaking into train cars.

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Speaker 10: Well, this is a thing that's apparently been going on

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Speaker 10: for some time, but it's I think it's got some

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Speaker 10: recent publicity because one young fella just about god himself killed.

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Speaker 10: He broke if he broke his league in five places

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Speaker 10: ribs smashed his head up. Because what's happening. These kids

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Speaker 10: are getting onto moving trains, putting themselves in the end

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Speaker 10: carriage and then breaking into the guards, a compartment at

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Speaker 10: the end of the moving train. Right because trains can

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Speaker 10: go either way northward go south, So they've broken into

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Speaker 10: the unoccupied into the train and then for reasons best

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Speaker 10: now to themselves, these silly little buggers that start dangling

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Speaker 10: from the outsides of the trains. Now they can also

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Speaker 10: be caught riding on the couplings that link the carriages.

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Speaker 10: And here's the stat last five years, twenty people killed

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Speaker 10: and thirty six injured inside secure will allegedly secure rail corridors.

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Speaker 10: It's called buffer riding. And never guess why they're doing it,

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Speaker 10: but in social media they want to get Facebook likes

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Speaker 10: or whatever the TikTok, whatever the hell it is. So

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Speaker 10: some bloken lapland can go oh, look at that crazy Ozzies.

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Speaker 10: He splats himself against a pole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's horrible. Yeah, that's crazy. And woolworth shelves

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Speaker 3: are empty thanks to a strike.

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Speaker 10: Not entirely empty, and it's apparently worse than some spots

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Speaker 10: rather than others. But here's the thing. There are distribution

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Speaker 10: workers at big Woolworth's centers three in Victoria, one in

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Speaker 10: New South Wales. The main ones are down south and

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Speaker 10: here's the thing. The workers are picketing. They're on striking.

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Speaker 10: They're picketing to stop management and other other workers getting

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Speaker 10: in because they are demanding feeling significant wage rises and

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Speaker 10: much better conditions. Wilworth says it's too much, can't pay it.

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Speaker 10: So while this is going on, you got you know,

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Speaker 10: if you're coming over hole, they bring your own toilet

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Speaker 10: paper because we're ringing short and wulworth stores, drinks, frozen

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Speaker 10: foods also are being impacted. The United Workers Union says, well,

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Speaker 10: tough titties heading into Christmas pay up, but we're going

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Speaker 10: to keep going. And you know, there's no end in

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Speaker 10: sight of the stage. But look, I think if push

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Speaker 10: comes to show, you're going to have you leave all

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Speaker 10: the stuff on the stores shells by Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm pleased to hear that that would be

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Speaker 3: a real crisis. Thanks Murray, appreciated as ever. Australia correspondent

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Speaker 3: Murray Oldsby, thank you for your feedback as well.

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Speaker 8: Chick.

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Speaker 3: Interesting interesting conversation with Judith Collins this afternoon. As it happens,

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Speaker 3: my partner's Chinese. My boys are half Chinese company. My

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Speaker 3: company makes the bulk of its revenue through trading with China.

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Speaker 3: That being said, it's time that New Zealand makes a

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Speaker 3: stand and hopefully others will follow suit. As far as

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Speaker 3: I'm concerned, firing a missile into an area outside of

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Speaker 3: their country says that all the world needs to take

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Speaker 3: a stand. It doesn't augur well that New Zealand operates

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Speaker 3: on a walking on eggshells basis. It's time to call

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Speaker 3: a spade a spade. I mean again, China would say

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Speaker 3: that that there are countries like it. The US would

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Speaker 3: have fired missiles outside of its immediate territorial area in

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Speaker 3: the past, but yeah, I mean clearly, the tensions in

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Speaker 3: the Pacific have increased of late, so it is a

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Speaker 3: really really tricky thing to try and balance, especially with

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Speaker 3: a new US President, who I don't think anyone can

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Speaker 3: say with certainty exactly where he's going to go now.

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Speaker 3: I said that Shane e he's going to be with

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Speaker 3: us after five o'clock this evening. The Health Minister Day

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Speaker 3: two today is of course day two of Scrutiny Week,

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Speaker 3: you know this week whereby ministers are directly scrutinized by

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Speaker 3: their opposite numbers in Parliament, and Health was the focus today.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting Labor health spokes versus Nashavereal accused Shane Letty

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Speaker 3: of manufacturing a crisis in order to justify cuts to

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Speaker 3: the health system. Have it listen to this?

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Speaker 11: Well, we have the audited accounts and they show that

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Speaker 11: most of the current exit, which is far less than

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Speaker 11: you originally estimated, is to do with staffing costs. That

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Speaker 11: is a given that you stood on a podium earlier

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Speaker 11: in this year fired Aboard appointed commissioner started a reign

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Speaker 11: of health cuts, saying there would be a one point

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Speaker 11: six to one point eight billion dollar deficit. That is

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Speaker 11: not true. Did you manufacture a crisis to justify your cuts?

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Speaker 12: No, you manufactured the crisis and what we've needed to

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Speaker 12: do is actually needed to fix it.

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Speaker 5: One point four billion was the deficit as we.

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Speaker 6: Extrapolated it from March.

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Speaker 13: It's now turned out to be one point seven six

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Speaker 13: as we've got amongst it.

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Speaker 5: This is not manufactured. This is real and the Order

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Speaker 5: to General can see that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interesting exchange here between Shane Betty and Aisha Verel as

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Speaker 3: part of scrutiny week and Shane Betty's going to be

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Speaker 3: with us after five o'clock this evening, Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: CEO saying they're now forecasting a one point one billion

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Speaker 3: dollar deficit for the year thirteen to five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: We're going to catch up with Barry Soper a little

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Speaker 3: bit later on on Newstalks. He'db he is still yes,

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Speaker 3: check your watch. He is still at lunch with Boris Johnson.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, New Stalks heedb's hard working political editor

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Speaker 3: Jason Water as with us from Parliament. Hey, Jason, I'm

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Speaker 3: not at all lunch. No, No, neither of us. There's

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Speaker 3: two of us, mate. Hey, we've just received an update

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Speaker 3: on the ongoing probe. And to Tipati Mardi in the

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Speaker 3: Manu Dee were Marai election issues what's happened indeed.

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Speaker 14: So it's an interesting story, this one, and I know

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Speaker 14: a lot of listeners of OZ have been hanging out

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Speaker 14: to get any developments on this one. So I'll take

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Speaker 14: you through it. I'll catch you up in case you've

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Speaker 14: forgotten about where we've got to in terms of this story.

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Speaker 14: So you'll remember, about six months ago, allegation surface that

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Speaker 14: census and COVID nineteen data was being used at the

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Speaker 14: Manurewa Marai in Auckland in relation to the election campaign

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Speaker 14: will It was alleged that the data was used in

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Speaker 14: a way to attract more voters to Tiparty Mahdi. Remember

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Speaker 14: the Auckland Marti seat of Tamaki Makodo was won by

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Speaker 14: Ti Parti Mari's Takuta tash Camp by just forty two votes,

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Speaker 14: so the slimmest of margins. And yesterday, Sir Brian Wroach,

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Speaker 14: the Public Service Commissioner, said the report into this will

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Speaker 14: be unveiled shortly. Didn't give a time frame, just said shortly,

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Speaker 14: citing the complexity of it all. Then Nikola Willis said

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Speaker 14: she the Public Service Minister said, of the.

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Speaker 15: These issues go to public trust and confidence, they need

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Speaker 15: to have utmost confidence in their findings and conclusions, and

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Speaker 15: they need to live through the scrutiny of a significant

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Speaker 15: amount of public challenge.

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Speaker 14: So living through the scrutiny of a significant significant amount

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Speaker 14: of public challenge, it's not something that you would see

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Speaker 14: if there was a complete absolval of the parties in question.

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Speaker 14: Now we have an update from the Electoral Commission itself,

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Speaker 14: who were before a Select committee this afternoon. National's Cameron

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Speaker 14: Brewer asked of the elections boss call Lacain why the

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Speaker 14: Commission decided to have a voting booth at the Marae.

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Speaker 14: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 13: When we became aware of the candidate's relationship with them,

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Speaker 13: we quite hard about it. We acknowledged there was a risk.

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Speaker 13: We came up with a mitigation plan and I think

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Speaker 13: I have to say we got that wrong. I don't

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Speaker 13: think the perception of a conflict in there could have

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Speaker 13: been managed in the way that we set out to

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Speaker 13: do it.

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Speaker 14: So there you heard it. Planer's day. They got it wrong.

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Speaker 14: This is not painting a good picture for this investigation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting. You honestly don't usually hear public

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Speaker 3: servants speaking. Matt Frankly is somewhat refreshing. Isa Viral is

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Speaker 3: in the spotlight for wearing her own microphone during New Week.

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Speaker 14: I thought this was a bit strange and did you

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Speaker 14: did play a clip from her before now, Ischaviral. I'm

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Speaker 14: not saying that she isn't doing well in terms of

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Speaker 14: her job in opposition. In fact, she's probably one of

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Speaker 14: the best performing composition MPs, I would say, but what

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Speaker 14: we have is this interesting issue where it's becoming quite performative,

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Speaker 14: and I thinkavera Isiaviral is a great example because listen

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Speaker 14: to this is another example of her. In the Health

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Speaker 14: Select Committee this morning, Why was the.

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Speaker 11: Report for Health New Zealand over an only table yesterday

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Speaker 11: when that it contains these crucial issues that have been

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Speaker 11: used to justify healthcats and where expected to be across

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Speaker 11: a two hundred something plus report in order to hold

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Speaker 11: you account. This is an unprecedented level of secrecy about

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Speaker 11: important public spending.

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Speaker 14: Now that's not really a question, is that it's more

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Speaker 14: of a statement and I know they love those around

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Speaker 14: Parliament and she listened. She might even have a point

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Speaker 14: with what she was saying, but I think the message

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Speaker 14: was somewhat undercut by the fact that she was wearing

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Speaker 14: a little lapel microphone as she was doing it, and

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Speaker 14: I assume this is so the Labor Party could clip

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Speaker 14: up the comments and make social media videos about them.

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Speaker 14: Hence why the delivery of the quote unquote question was

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Speaker 14: the way.

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Speaker 6: That it was.

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Speaker 14: Now she's not alone in this. I will know that

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Speaker 14: David Seymour, when he speaks to media before going into

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Speaker 14: the house every day, he wears one as well, and

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Speaker 14: we've noticed that a lot of his answers appear to

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Speaker 14: be more catered to providing sound bites for his.

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Speaker 3: That have access social media rather than the reporters.

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Speaker 14: And I just, unfortunately think this is just the way

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Speaker 14: this is going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it is happening right across the house

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Hey, thanks, Jason, appreciate it that it's

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Speaker 3: Jason Walls. Right now, it is seven to five.

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Speaker 2: Putting the term questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Times to crystphal lexners w us Frenchier here CRL, do

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Speaker 16: you know what the problem is and is it serious?

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Speaker 5: Not that I haven't been breached on that at all.

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Speaker 16: Don't you want to be it's biggest structural project in

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Speaker 16: the country.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would like to know that as first. I've

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Speaker 1: heard about it, but it just hasn't come to my desk.

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Speaker 16: Listen, Oh my god, who's running your office? For goodness safe,

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Speaker 16: there's a massive holand underneath Auckland businesses have gone bus

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Speaker 16: for years on end. The thing is three times over budget.

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Speaker 16: It's years behind it. The French are lying into the

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Speaker 16: country because they're bugget what's going on. I asked the

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Speaker 16: private the string You don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, no right.

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Speaker 3: You framed the question in a way that I know

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Speaker 3: about CRL.

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Speaker 12: This project has been going on forever and it Danwell

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Speaker 12: needs to come to a close.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: the Rain Drove of the Lahn News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much for all of your messages

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Speaker 3: regarding all christ Jack. You've got to remember that China

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Speaker 3: has an open ally of Russia and North Korea. From

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Speaker 3: what I've read here, you're right, of course, China has

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Speaker 3: that no limits agreement with Russia at the moment, so

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Speaker 3: obviously that'll be a factor in the defense capability plan

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Speaker 3: as well. We'll talk about that more with our Hard

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Speaker 3: Lafeter five o'clock as well as that all back sever

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Speaker 3: Reese has been back in court discharged without conviction. Today.

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Speaker 3: We'll bring you his comments from outside court. Plus researchers

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Speaker 3: found that some vegan products are actually worse for the

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Speaker 3: environment than the real thing. I'll give you details shortly.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Jack Dame on, Hither Duper c Allen Drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand let's get connected news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: All Black and Crusaders players. Sevu Reese has been named

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Speaker 3: as the sports star who admitted to a charge of

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Speaker 3: willful damage driving a car into a garage at a

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Speaker 3: Cup Day party in christ Church. He was granted a

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Speaker 3: discharge without conviction when he appeared for sentencing this morning.

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Speaker 3: Apologizing outside court, Cevu said he wants people to learn

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Speaker 3: from his mistakes.

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Speaker 17: People could learn from some of the things that we

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Speaker 17: took out from today in court and from some.

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Speaker 6: Of my actions.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it was a great idea to

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Speaker 3: take a name suppression off and don't face it. New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Herald reporter Anna Leask has been in court for

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Speaker 3: US today and she's with us Snack helder and at

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Speaker 3: lea's just go back to the incident itself, what actually happened.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, Sebu was at this party in christ Church.

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Speaker 18: He was getting a bit disruptive and he was asked

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Speaker 18: into a garage and then he sort of took off

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Speaker 18: on foot. So initially he was charged with unlawfully taking

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Speaker 18: a motor vehicle, but that was later brought down to

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Speaker 18: this single charge of wilful damage. So it's been sort

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Speaker 18: of a year or more waiting for this to be

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Speaker 3: And under what justification did his lawyer ask for discharge

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Speaker 3: without conviction? Why did the judge grant it?

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Speaker 18: Well, the lawyer's point was he's got potentially a big

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Speaker 18: career in front of him, which you know, his employment

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Speaker 18: requires a lot of traveling and future employment could be

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Speaker 18: hindered by a conviction. It was bury in the grand

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Speaker 18: scale of things, it's very low level offending, and the

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Speaker 18: lawyer put to the court that it was just simply

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Speaker 18: the gravity of the offending it didn't, you know, require

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Speaker 18: a conviction. The judge agreed and she sort of outlined

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Speaker 18: all of her reasons for that and said at the

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Speaker 18: end that anyone in the same situation would have got

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Speaker 18: to discharge with that conviction as well, sort of reading

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Speaker 18: between the lines. She wasn't giving it to him so

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Speaker 18: he could play rugby. Wasn't because there was a celebrity.

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Speaker 18: It was literally because he's a young guy with a

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Speaker 18: potential career ahead of him. Was a low level charge

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Speaker 18: and that was the appropriate thing for her to do today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that being said, this isn't the first time he's

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Speaker 3: been granted a discharge without conviction. Just remind us of

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Speaker 3: what happened in the past.

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Speaker 18: Not Yeah, I think it was twenty and eighteen. He

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Speaker 18: was charged with common assault. It was a domestic situation

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Speaker 18: and he effectively assaulted his partner at the time. In

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Speaker 18: that case, he was granted discharge with that conviction for

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Speaker 18: similar reasons. The judge today said, you know, she was

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Speaker 18: mindful that had happened, and he obviously alcohol played a

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Speaker 18: big part in both offenses that he clearly needs to

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Speaker 18: address that so it doesn't happen again. But she did

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Speaker 18: point out that the two offenses were very, very different

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Speaker 18: and she had to treat them as such. But she

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Speaker 18: You know, she did acknowledge quite heavily in court that

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Speaker 18: it is not his first time.

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Speaker 17: Before the courts.

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Speaker 18: It is not his first offense, and it's not his

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Speaker 18: first time he's been there because of his alcohol and

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Speaker 18: you know that he needs to really really sort himself out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you, tom Anna, We appreciate it. New Zealand held

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Speaker 3: reporter analyse the New Zealand Rugby is running an employment

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Speaker 3: process with sebu Res and the details and results of

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Speaker 3: that employment process are apparently going to remain confidential. But

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Speaker 3: there's bortum at the stage right now. It is ten

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Speaker 3: past five. Team and Health New Zealand's books are looking

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Speaker 3: slightly better than previously fared, but still really really really bad.

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Speaker 3: It's chief executive Marji Uppas said today that the projected

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Speaker 3: deficit for twenty four to twenty five has reduced from

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Speaker 3: one point seven billion dollars to one point one billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: It comes as Labor accuses the government of manufacturing a

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Speaker 3: crisis in the health sector to justify cuts to the system.

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Speaker 3: Health Minister Shane Eti is with us this evening, good

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Speaker 3: evening quject good So heck yeah, you two. How has

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand managed to reduce that projected deficit by

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Speaker 3: six hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 12: So look, it's a collective piece of work from every

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Speaker 12: single person at Health New Zealand And for that, I

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Speaker 12: give them thanks everyone involved. But fundamentally, there's been several things.

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Speaker 12: First of all, they've implemented management controls, which is what

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Speaker 12: the Order to General for several years had been saying

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Speaker 12: needed to be done. They've looked at optimizing the workforce.

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Speaker 12: Devolving the budget and decision making down into the regions

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Speaker 12: has improved productivity as well. It's been a mix of

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Speaker 12: these things that has given us a slightly improved position

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Speaker 12: which will take going forward.

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Speaker 3: Health has delayed getting back to budget by another year though,

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Speaker 3: how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well that's a challenge. What we could have done

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Speaker 12: is put up a deficit or put up a balanced

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Speaker 12: budget that just wasn't going to be reached and put

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Speaker 12: even more stress on the system, or taken into account

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Speaker 12: that we pushed out that a little bit further and

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Speaker 12: get there in a more more thoughtful and safe way.

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Speaker 3: So Aishaviral said today during scrutiny week that you have

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Speaker 3: manufactured a crisis, saying that Health didn't even need a commissioner.

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Speaker 3: What's your response to that?

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Speaker 12: Oh, she's dreaming she created the crisis. Everyone agrees, oag

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Speaker 12: The independent monitors have agreed that there's been a financial crisis.

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Speaker 5: So I'm sorry.

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Speaker 12: I don't wear that. I will own what we do

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Speaker 12: and I do in my hands, but I'm afraid she

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Speaker 12: needs to own that.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, some nurses are on strike until seven

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Speaker 3: pm this evening, given a one point one billion dollar deficit.

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Speaker 3: What is your message to them right now?

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Speaker 19: Oh?

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Speaker 12: My mess them is thank you. I truly value your work.

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Speaker 12: A little disappointed that we're out in strike action so

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Speaker 12: early in the bargaining and negotiating stage, but I would

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Speaker 12: commend both parties to please get back to that bargaining table.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, we appreciate it. Health Minister Shane

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Speaker 3: LETTI with us this evening. Thank you for your texts

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Speaker 3: and emails as well. Jack. I've been struggling with booze

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Speaker 3: for most of my eighty odd years. Obviously I should

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Speaker 3: have played for the Allbacks, Jack, unbelievable. These all Backs

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Speaker 3: seem to get away with anything. I think the thing

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Speaker 3: that some people will find galling is that it's the

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Speaker 3: second time that Sevudes has been before the courts in

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Speaker 3: an alcohol related incident, two very very different incidents several

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Speaker 3: years apart. But nonetheless, there'll be some people who say

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Speaker 3: we Go. Research has found some vegan products are worse

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Speaker 3: for the environment than the real thing. Yeah. Oxford University

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Speaker 3: has examined twenty four foods used as substitutes for meat

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Speaker 3: and dairy and scored them on things like production cost

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Speaker 3: and land and water use. They found that almond milk

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Speaker 3: and lab grown meat like fake bacon and veggie burgers

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Speaker 3: aren't actually better for the environment, and in some cases

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Speaker 3: they're actually worse nutritionous nicky heart is with us now,

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Speaker 3: I killed a good evening hi Cura. So just explain

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Speaker 3: to us, how are these alternative foods potentially worse for

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Speaker 3: the environment.

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Speaker 20: Well, it all comes down to ultraprocessing.

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Speaker 9: Really.

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Speaker 20: I mean, we want you to eat a vast array

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Speaker 20: of fruit and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, all those kind

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Speaker 20: of things, but we want them mostly in their natural state. Jack,

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Speaker 20: I don't want them that they've been manipulated and have

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Speaker 20: been created with you know, salt and preservatives and those

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Speaker 20: kind of things. So when I'm thinking about someone wanting

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Speaker 20: to be a vegan, I want them to look at

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Speaker 20: the traditional cultures and how they used to put their

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Speaker 20: legumes and grains and things together. That's what we're after.

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Speaker 20: We're not wanting all these fake foods. That's not good

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Speaker 20: at all.

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Speaker 3: Yees. So okay, so it comes down to the processing.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean that these foods are also worse for

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Speaker 3: your health? They're not just worse for the environment. Potentially,

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Speaker 3: they're potentially worse for your health than the real thing

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 20: I mean, I think it all started when we began

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Speaker 20: to see this ground swell around climate crisis, and everybody

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Speaker 20: was thinking, Okay, what can I do? What's my part

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Speaker 20: to play in protecting the planet, And so there was

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Speaker 20: this huge swell of all these new products. But we

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Speaker 20: began to think, well, hang on a minute, they're better

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Speaker 20: than there's some of their parts, Like, for example, a

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Speaker 20: lot of these fake products don't contain adequate sources of protein.

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Speaker 20: And you know, we've got an aging pop population. We

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Speaker 20: don't want the loss of mass or their bones to

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Speaker 20: be or compromised because they're trying to do something right

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Speaker 20: when in fact it could be bad for their health.

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Speaker 3: Almonds are the big one for me. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't mind a little almond from time to time, but

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Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. They like to make one almond you just

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Speaker 3: kind of you need like topol. Right, it's a ridiculous

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Speaker 3: amount of water.

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Speaker 20: Exactly right. So if you're wanting to use plant milk

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Speaker 20: because you ethically don't want to eat drink cow's milk,

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Speaker 20: then the next one along that I would suggest people

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Speaker 20: try is a soy milk because at least it is

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Speaker 20: from a legum and has adequate sources of protein and calcium.

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Speaker 20: The other ones are not so much. And I think

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Speaker 20: there's less problems with soy than there is the light

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Speaker 20: the likes of almond.

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Speaker 3: And I've got to read the label because sometimes with

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Speaker 3: the sour milks they get a lot of sugar in

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Speaker 3: them sometimes.

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Speaker 20: Exactly right, you know, exactly. So this is more about

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Speaker 20: can people just eat a natural based food source, like

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Speaker 20: I would rather you eat almonds and drink milk, or

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Speaker 20: if you're wanting to be a vegan, then use chickpeas

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Speaker 20: and put them into a curry with rice and brown

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Speaker 20: rice and so you get all your amino acids. So

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Speaker 20: it's not just I mean, if I was a vegan,

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Speaker 20: I don't think i'd want to eat something called not

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Speaker 20: bacon because that just sounds wrong.

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Speaker 3: You know, my attitude is, and this isn't really a

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Speaker 3: scientific editude, but my attitude is, you can't get something

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Speaker 3: for nothing, right, So anytime, anytime you think you're getting

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Speaker 3: something that tastes like super delicious without the calories or

872
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Speaker 3: like you know, environmental or nutritional impact, is the real thing,

873
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Speaker 3: something that's pretending to be something that isn't nan there's

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Speaker 3: officialkin there. That's what I reckon.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and so for me, you know, we know, Jack,

876
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 20: a Mediterranean style diet or one that's called the DASH diet,

877
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 20: which is dietary approaches to against hypertension. Those are the

878
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Speaker 20: only two diets that are actually recommended by healthcare professionals,

879
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 20: dietitians and nutritionists because we know that their whole and

880
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 20: they're natural, and it's you know, it's it's balanced, and

881
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Speaker 20: that's what we need everybody to be thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: Very good. Hey, thanks for your time, Nikki. We appreciate it.

883
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Speaker 3: Nutrition iss Nikky hert there with the seceding. Thanks for

884
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Speaker 3: your feedback, Jack, I and I think a lot of

885
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Speaker 3: other New Zealanders are sick of rugby players who appeared

886
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Speaker 3: to have been given special dispensation because they have a career.

887
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: We all have careers. All of our actions have consequences,

888
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: unless apparently, you are a rugby player. It's about time

889
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: that the justice system started considering that, not necessarily simply

890
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: considering what the New Zealand Rugby Union wants.

891
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Speaker 5: Now.

892
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Speaker 3: To be totally clear, the judge in the Sevaris case

893
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Speaker 3: said it wasn't because of rugby. They said it was

894
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Speaker 3: because of the nature of the offending. That being said,

895
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Speaker 3: it is I think pretty galling for a lot of

896
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Speaker 3: people to see someone with a high profile like this

897
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Speaker 3: in a position of relative privilege, being able to travel

898
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Speaker 3: the world, being paid a lot of money, appearing before

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Speaker 3: the courts on two separate occasions now and on both

900
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Speaker 3: occasions being discharged with that conviction. Nine two nine two

901
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Speaker 3: is the text number if you want to send us

902
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Speaker 3: a message. It's twenty one past five you with Jack

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Speaker 3: Tame and for Heather on newstalksz'db.

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Speaker 1: They are into the day's headlines.

905
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Speaker 2: It's Jack tam On, Heather Dupercy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected.

908
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: Us talk, said B twenty four past five on News Talks.

909
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: He'd be finance Minister Nikola Willis has used her time

910
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Speaker 3: before the Finance and Expenditure Committee to confirm the governments

911
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Speaker 3: considering toughening up the laws around businesses that are masquerading

912
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Speaker 3: as charities or nonprofits. So it's a policy that's probably

913
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Speaker 3: not likely to lose the many votes. You know, there

914
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Speaker 3: are many people, including those on the political right, who

915
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Speaker 3: look at the likes of Sanitarium or the Best Start

916
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: childcare education program and question why those organizations can make

917
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Speaker 3: millions and dollars in profits without paying tax, while most

918
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: other businesses could only dream of doing something similar. Like

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00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: any other tax the devil's in the detail and the

920
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: inevitable compliance costs, And it's not clear yet how much

921
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Speaker 3: revenue that changing the tax status for commercial businesses that

922
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Speaker 3: are owned by charities or nonprofits that actually bring in

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm open to it, i am, which is

924
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Speaker 3: not to say the charities don't in themselves do good work,

925
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Speaker 3: but I also think they're bigger fish to fry in

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Speaker 3: the Revenue department that are currently sitting out there untouched.

927
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Speaker 3: Let's not forget last year Google sent almost a billion

928
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Speaker 3: dollars in in house fees to its overseas parent company

929
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Speaker 3: conveniently avoiding paying tax on the vast majority of its

930
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Speaker 3: income generated from its New Zealand operations. And yet we

931
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Speaker 3: are still waiting for a sense of direction on where

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Speaker 3: this government stands on a digital services tax and look

933
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Speaker 3: tweaks around charities and extra income from tolls. That kind

934
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Speaker 3: of thing aren't going to solve the fundamental problem at

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Speaker 3: the heart of successive government's fiscal management. Right now. According

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Speaker 3: to the Treasury, New Zealand is in a structural deficit,

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Speaker 3: so it's going to take a massive shift either much

938
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Speaker 3: greater cuts to public spending or significant new reads, new

939
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Speaker 3: streams for the governments to get and keep its books

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Speaker 3: in the black. Team ninety two is our text number.

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Speaker 3: We will get our huddled thoughts on those potential tax

942
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Speaker 3: changes when they join us after five thirties evening Chris

943
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Speaker 3: Herson and Alie Jones on the huddle. Plenty of texts

944
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Speaker 3: coming in regarding sever Reeve Jack sevu Reese has received

945
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Speaker 3: far more publicity than the average person who did something

946
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Speaker 3: comparable while drunk would receive. As far as I'm concerned

947
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Speaker 3: that it's a disproportionate penalty in itself, he didn't kill

948
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Speaker 3: anyone interesting thought all that. I suppose you could say, yeah,

949
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Speaker 3: he's received disproportionate attention because he's in a high paid,

950
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Speaker 3: glamorous job. Right, that's the flip side to having that job. Jack.

951
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Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, it's an absolute embarrassment to

952
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Speaker 3: our justice system. The lesson for average rugby players is

953
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Speaker 3: that apparently the laws are different for them compared to

954
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Speaker 3: everyone else. Let's watch the flow and effect for young

955
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Speaker 3: players and see how they go. I mean, it was

956
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Speaker 3: interesting hearing sevier Reese's comments outside court today. He says

957
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Speaker 3: he hasn't touched a drop of alcohol since this event

958
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Speaker 3: last year, so it's more than more than twelve months.

959
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I get your point. Ninety ninety two. If

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Speaker 3: you want to send us a text on that jacket

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Speaker 3: Newstalks dB dot co dot indeed, just come up to

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Speaker 3: five thirty. News is next on Newstalks dB.

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Speaker 2: The day's newswakers talk to Jack First, Jack Dame on

964
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Speaker 2: Heather Dupless, Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get

965
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Speaker 2: connected news talk.

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Speaker 10: Said, be.

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Speaker 3: You were a Jacktame on Newstalks, I'd be After six o'clock.

968
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay with the very latest on this bird flu

969
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: outbreak in Otago. What it's going to mean for New

970
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: Zealand exports. The huddle with us before we'll get their

971
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: thoughts on news that charities could be in line for

972
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: paying tax for their commercial businesses. Right now, it is

973
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Speaker 3: twenty five minutes to six on Newstorks, he'd bee and

974
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Speaker 3: former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson reckons he would not

975
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Speaker 3: have lost to Labour's Kir Starmer. His own party booted

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Speaker 3: him out, of course, in favor of Liz Truss and

977
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Speaker 3: then Reshisunak. But Boris Johnson told Kerry Woodham this morning

978
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Speaker 3: he won't take any of the blame.

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Speaker 21: Gone on and done some of the things that we

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00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 21: decided we were going to do together, some of the reforms,

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Speaker 21: some of the tax cutting as we got to the

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Speaker 21: end of the parliament, some of the free market stuff

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Speaker 21: we were going to do. With Brexit, I think we

984
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Speaker 21: would have wiped the floor with Starmer.

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Speaker 3: Senior political correspondent Barry Sober it's just back from a

986
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Speaker 3: long lunch with Boris. Hi, Barry, how was it.

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Speaker 22: Good afternoon, Jack? It was fascinating actually he called Sekre

988
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Speaker 22: Starmer pol Pott, which I thought was a bit tough

989
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 22: at the luncheon, this is wow. And when I was

990
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 22: sitting there looking at the several hundred people packed into

991
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Speaker 22: the cords that enormous paying between five hundred and two

992
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 22: thousand dollars a plate, I thought, this is incredible how

993
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Speaker 22: a British prime minister, who only was the prime Minister

994
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Speaker 22: for a couple of years was able to pull in

995
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Speaker 22: such a very, very large crowd. As for a speci well,

996
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Speaker 22: I think the best line actually came when Winston Peters

997
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 22: spoke before him, and those two are quite close. They

998
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Speaker 22: both met a foreign ministers in the past. And Winston

999
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 22: Peters made note when he was at the podium saying Boris.

1000
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Speaker 22: He said his impression of Boris as that he is

1001
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Speaker 22: a man that's just come out of the shower and

1002
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Speaker 22: used the towel as his hair brush. And I think

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Speaker 22: it was a pretty good description on Boris's heir was

1004
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Speaker 22: all over the place and he kept fluffing it up

1005
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Speaker 22: during the speech. But the speech went on for a

1006
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Speaker 22: long time, and to me it was sort of like

1007
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Speaker 22: a slow unravel of a mowhir jersey. He never quite

1008
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Speaker 22: knew when the next stitch was going to be undone

1009
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Speaker 22: that he dithered, dithered his way. Couldn't understand many of

1010
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Speaker 22: the things he was saying because he was dithering so much,

1011
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Speaker 22: and it says speech pattern. But I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 22: even though purely politically, I was a bit disappointed because

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00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 22: I probably expected more. I wanted more stories, and I

1014
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 22: no doubt in his book Unleashed, but I wanted more

1015
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Speaker 22: stories about him himself. He talked about the Ukraine, and

1016
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Speaker 22: of course he said that the Germans and the French

1017
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Speaker 22: were weak on the Ukraine at the start, and Boris,

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00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 22: of course, his foreign minister, was there several times. He

1019
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 22: talked about two days he was before the Queen died.

1020
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Speaker 22: He was having his prime ministerial audience with the queen.

1021
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 22: And I think people really liked that, and it was

1022
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 22: very reverential of the queen. But you know, the speech

1023
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 22: itself didn't really enlighten the crowd that much. The interview

1024
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Speaker 22: afterwards was done by Paul Henry, and dare I say it,

1025
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Speaker 22: lovely Kerry, who interviewed him here in the studio this morning,

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Speaker 22: had the same trouble that Paul Henry had.

1027
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 21: Couldn't get a.

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Speaker 22: Word in edgeways, you know, And I thought Paul Henry

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00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 22: will be being paid for this, So it was a

1030
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 22: very easy earn because he didn't get a hell of

1031
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 22: a lot of questions. And the laughter during the interview

1032
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 22: was the fact that Paul Henry dear he was trying

1033
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 22: to interrupt Boris to move the interview along, and it

1034
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 22: was quite funny. But it was the interview that aspect

1035
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Speaker 22: of it I found the most informative, because you know,

1036
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 22: he had calmed down from speaking, and you've got to remember,

1037
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Speaker 22: this man is on the international speaking circuit and the

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Speaker 22: last figure that I looked that in the two years

1039
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Speaker 22: he's been out of the Prime Minister's job, he's earned

1040
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Speaker 22: a five million pound ten million dollars since he's been

1041
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 22: on the circuit, So you can imagine how much he

1042
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 22: made out of that speech at the Cords this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So did you get any sense from his presentation that

1044
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 3: he's going to have another go at politics.

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Speaker 22: No, well, you couldn't get a word in. I'll tell

1046
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 22: you what though, Jack, I'm having lunch with them tomorrow

1047
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 22: with a small group. Maybe after this, oh my god,

1048
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 22: my lunch and invitation will be canceled. But there's a

1049
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 22: small group of us going to lunch with him. Tomorrow,

1050
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 22: so hopefully, although it is Chathamhouse rules, but I'm sure

1051
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 22: he'll be amenable if he is thinking of running again

1052
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 22: to maybe dropping a hint. But look, he's a really

1053
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 22: entertaining character. I wouldn't have missed it for quiz. I

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Speaker 22: think the best aspect of it for me was the

1055
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Speaker 22: number of politicos that had turned John Key was there,

1056
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Speaker 22: Jury Browne was there, Boss Winston spoke, So it was

1057
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 22: a great turnout of politicos. And you know, I'm a junkie,

1058
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Speaker 22: so I really enjoyed that aspect of it.

1059
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I hope you enjoy the rerun tomorrow as well.

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00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 3: Hope it sounds like great fun. We really appreciate you

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Speaker 3: coming in after that, Senior political correspondent Barry So for

1062
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Speaker 3: with us this evening right now is nineteen to six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand's Tutherby's International Realty, Local and

1064
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Speaker 2: Global Exposure.

1065
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Speaker 1: Like Noah, huddle this evening.

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Speaker 3: Trish Hurson from Shirton Willis PR and Ellie Jones from

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Speaker 3: Red PR And I suppose either of you got the

1068
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: invite today or tomorrow? Guys, No oh, dear, well, that

1069
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: makes three of us, so it's all right, Barry's got

1070
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: two invites. We can just we can battle along on

1071
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: our loansomece. Hey, it sounds like charities are going to

1072
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: be in the gun when it comes to paying tax,

1073
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Speaker 3: or at least they'll be paying tax on the commercial

1074
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: entities that they operate. Trish, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 23: I think it's a really good thing to do, and

1076
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 23: it's timely. It's about fairness. It's not in any way,

1077
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Speaker 23: as you point out, Jack as structural soul for the

1078
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 23: government's revenue woes. But I think it is a very

1079
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 23: good thing to do to review who qualifies. And just

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00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 23: because you're called a church these days, or your entity

1081
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 23: that's getting the tax free status is related to a church,

1082
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Speaker 23: that should not give you a free pass from paying

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Speaker 23: your fair share.

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Speaker 3: In my view, Ali, how far should it extend? I mean,

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Speaker 3: could we see EWI forced to pay tax on their

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Speaker 3: commercial operations.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, well that's a really interesting point.

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Speaker 3: I do agree with what Trisha has just said.

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Speaker 24: I think any business that's disguising themselves as a charity

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Speaker 24: or a part of what they do definitely needs to

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Speaker 24: be taxed. Talking about the EE, I raised this issue

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Speaker 24: with regards to Nita, who fisheries recently after a letter

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Speaker 24: to the press in christ Church highlighted the issue. There,

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Speaker 24: they'd posted a rather healthy profit and they do very

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Speaker 24: well and they work very hard. But as soon as

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Speaker 24: I've put it on LinkedIn and had a chat about it,

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Speaker 24: the racist pylon started. And yeah I did. The conversation

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Speaker 24: just had to stop. Really, and it wasn't about Ewe

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Speaker 24: or Nita Whu. It was about an example. Nitelli does

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Speaker 24: amazing stuff. I mean, they contribute or donate a huge

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Speaker 24: amount of money from there, from their profits, and surely

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Speaker 24: that should come off if you like what they have

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Speaker 24: to pay in tax, just as anyone who donates. But

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Speaker 24: you know, Sanitarium is another and I know that's held

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Speaker 24: up and talked about a lot as an example of this.

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Speaker 24: By the way, did you know they've stopped producing peanut butter. Yes, terrible,

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Speaker 24: But yeah, I look, I think it's a very good idea.

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Speaker 24: I don't agree with your position Jack, that they're a

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Speaker 24: bigger fish to fry. I think it's all about fairness,

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Speaker 24: consistency and principle.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they should do it as well. I

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Speaker 3: just think they should do it as an and and

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Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, so all Blacks. Ever,

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Speaker 3: Reese has admitted to a charge of wilful damage after

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Speaker 3: a party in christ You last year. He's been discharged

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Speaker 3: without convictions the second time that's happened, Trisha, Would he

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Speaker 3: have been discharged if he wasn't in all black?

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Speaker 23: I think it's very hard to make that call, and

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Speaker 23: it sounds like the judge was at pains to point

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Speaker 23: out that that wasn't a factor. I think the biggest

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Speaker 23: question here, though, is one for New Zealand Rugby and

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Speaker 23: its sponsors. These stories are never good. They're never good

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Speaker 23: for the game, they're never good for the reputation around it.

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Speaker 23: For you know, everyone is having the same kinds of

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Speaker 23: conversations and I think with the game in the state

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Speaker 23: that it is at the moment, you know, this is

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Speaker 23: just not something that they want in the headlines. And

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Speaker 23: you know this also comes back to personal responsibility of

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Speaker 23: the individual involved. You know, this is the second time

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Speaker 23: both times you know, he has admitted to the charges,

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Speaker 23: has been discharged without conviction, and I would say he's

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Speaker 23: probably a very lucky young man if he gets to

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Speaker 23: continue on with his career after this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tricky one. Ellie Is and and as

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Speaker 3: Tris says that the judge was really clear today and

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Speaker 3: going to real pains to try and explain that this

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Speaker 3: wasn't because he was an all black, not because he's

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Speaker 3: a crusader. But there are so many people who look

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Speaker 3: at this and say, you know what, this is evidence

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Speaker 3: of a two tiered justice sys system. There's justice for

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Speaker 3: Joe Schmoe in the street, and then there's a different

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Speaker 3: standard of justice for someone who's got a big public profile.

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Speaker 24: I think what you've said suggests to me that there

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Speaker 24: are extenuating circumstances. I mean, to me, this is a

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Speaker 24: slam dunk. Is just what Trish has said. So many

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Speaker 24: people will be will be thinking, and fair enough too.

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Speaker 24: I think that's a very fair position to take, which

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Speaker 24: makes me think there has got to be something else

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Speaker 24: going on in the background here. There must be extenuating circumstances,

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Speaker 24: and I don't know what they are. I wasn't there.

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Speaker 24: I haven't heard the case, so I mean, that's all

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Speaker 24: I can say on it. I would really like to

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Speaker 24: hear from him, and I'd like to hear from maybe

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Speaker 24: family as well as to what those circumstances were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Wellie I mean it was interesting he set outside

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Speaker 3: court today that he's made really considered in deliberate efforts

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Speaker 3: to try and turn himself around. In the last year,

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Speaker 3: he hasn't had a drop of alcohol, and obviously that

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Speaker 3: that is, you know, a contributing factor in all of this.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a really interesting issue. Thanks so much, guys.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back with the huddle in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: Tris Herson and Allie Jones fourteen to six on News

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Speaker 3: doorks he'd.

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Speaker 2: Be the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate

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Speaker 2: the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: You're back with our huddle this evening, Trish Sharson and

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Speaker 3: Allie Jones. So the Defense Minister Judith Collins says our

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Speaker 3: defense plan has been delayed because of the deteriorating international

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Speaker 3: security situation in our neck of the woods in the Pacific,

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Speaker 3: and it was interesting she talked about China's decision to

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Speaker 3: fire an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific and was

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Speaker 3: pretty pretty frank were you surprised to see her delay

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Speaker 3: this plan? Alli that missile firing could push things back.

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Speaker 24: I have to say that defense capability planning and budgeting

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Speaker 24: is not something I would say as an area of

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Speaker 24: expertise for me, Jack. The only thing I would say,

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Speaker 24: I'm going to sull like the Prime Minister. Now, what

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Speaker 24: I can tell you, Jack is that I think you

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Speaker 24: probably need to know what you need to spend your

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Speaker 24: money on even with this action going on right. I

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Speaker 24: think the concern is that the budget is in early

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Speaker 24: twenty five. They're saying that they may not know this

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Speaker 24: information until early twenty five, and I doubt that's enough

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Speaker 24: time to actually get into.

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Speaker 4: The bid process. But I'm sure there are areas.

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Speaker 24: In our defense sector if you like that need very

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Speaker 24: serious attention. I don't see why there can't be some

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Speaker 24: announcements related to that.

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Speaker 3: Now, tri It's tricky, right, We obviously have to completely

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Speaker 3: change the way many parts of our defense force are operating.

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Speaker 3: At the moment. The world is a different place to

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Speaker 3: that of ten years ago. But this is going to

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Speaker 3: cost vast sums of money.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 23: I mean, Judith Collins, you know she's right on the money.

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Speaker 23: I've reflected this year that you know, for the first

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Speaker 23: time in my adult life or my lifetime, we are

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Speaker 23: starting to see people world leaders actually talk about the

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Speaker 23: threat of World War three. Think about the first presidential

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Speaker 23: debate this year with you know where Trump raised the specter,

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Speaker 23: and the debate with Biden. You know, you've got Sweden

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Speaker 23: putting out a booklet to its population to prepare for

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Speaker 23: the event of nuclear war. And closer to home, you know,

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Speaker 23: you've got after many decades, China really stepping in to

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Speaker 23: the Pacific and now with the missile firing. I also

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Speaker 23: think that you've got the world forming up in ways

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Speaker 23: that we haven't seen since World War Two. And you know,

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Speaker 23: you've had Russia recently holding a major summit with the

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Speaker 23: African nations who have said, you know, Russia is a

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Speaker 23: better friend to us than the colonious colonial powers. But

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Speaker 23: in amongst all of that, and with a defense budget

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Speaker 23: of about five hundred million dollars, how would you make

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Speaker 23: a plan when you're Zealand. I do not envy Judith

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Speaker 23: Collins or the the government that task because our spending

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Speaker 23: is so minuscule. We've been gared for so many years

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Speaker 23: to a sort of a peacekeeping role, and so what

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Speaker 23: will we do now, especially if you know we're signing

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Speaker 23: up to Aucust and potentially we're going to be required

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Speaker 23: like a lot of countries will be to sort of

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Speaker 23: pay more and to do more. It's a very challenging situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you have a naval ship under twenty

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Speaker 3: five meters of water off the coast of some more. Hey,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much, guys, really appreciate your time. Trishuson from

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Speaker 3: shirston Willis pr and Allie Jones from Red pr Our

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Speaker 3: huddle this evening. Thank you for your messages regarding that.

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Speaker 3: It was a really interesting interview with Judith Collins. If

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Speaker 3: you didn't hear any who have made it available at

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Speaker 3: Newstalks dB dot co dot ed. She was just quite

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Speaker 3: frank in her assessment of what she perceives as the

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Speaker 3: deteriorating security situation in the Pacific, especially with regards to

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Speaker 3: China the firing of that intercontinental ballistic missile, but also

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Speaker 3: the visiting of a of a Chinese ship to Vanuatu

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Speaker 3: just last month. And it's fascinating to see the kind

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Speaker 3: of divisions between our major parties on this, to see

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Speaker 3: the divisions between national and labor when it comes to

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Speaker 3: aucas Pillar two, especially because we don't know what aucast

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Speaker 3: Pillar two actually involved at this stage. And we'll get tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Your texts on that very shortly ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 3: If you want to send us a message right now,

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Speaker 3: it is eight minutes to six.

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Speaker 2: Red or blue, Trump or Harris who will win the

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Speaker 2: battleground states. The latest on the US election is Heather

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Speaker 2: duplic Alan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected use talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for a feedback, Heaves. The texts have come through.

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Speaker 3: Jack Regarding the defense capability plan, we should be starting

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Speaker 3: off with the housing stock in the defense sector. It

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Speaker 3: simply isn't up to healthy home standards. It's atrocious. You

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Speaker 3: are one hundred percent right. I think across many parts

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Speaker 3: of our defense sector or defense force, the housing standards

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Speaker 3: are absolutely appalling. It's a disgrace that they've been allowed

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Speaker 3: to get to the state they're in right now. So

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Speaker 3: obviously that's going to be a focus, or should be

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Speaker 3: a focus. Jackson's granted, it's simple for New Zealand. We

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Speaker 3: pay our defense money to Australia and then if Australia falls,

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Speaker 3: we are gone. It's as simple as that. I mean.

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Speaker 3: One of the big problems here is that we don't

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Speaker 3: really know with certainty what Donald Trump is going to

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Speaker 3: mean for orcus or for security in our region, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it becomes really tricky when you are trying

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Speaker 3: to say, Okay, New Zealand wants to better align its

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Speaker 3: security relationships with Australia, the UK and the Americans. If

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump isn't going to come along and say bad news,

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Speaker 3: key is you guys are getting a ten percent tariff

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Speaker 3: or a twenty percent tariff. My goodness, that becomes an evil,

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Speaker 3: trickier equation. But yeah, it's going to be really intriguing

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Speaker 3: to see how that unfolds. I'll get to more of

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Speaker 3: your messages very soon if you want to send me

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Speaker 3: a note. Ninety two. Ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: Jacket NEWSTALKSZB dot co dot NZ. Jack, I think is

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Speaker 3: a total double standard when it comes to Sebe Reese.

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Speaker 3: If it was anyone else who had been up in

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Speaker 3: court on two separate occasions, both of them relating to alcohol,

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Speaker 3: even if those two crimes weren't necessarily connected, I think

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Speaker 3: we would expect to see some sort of a conviction.

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Speaker 6: Jack.

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Speaker 3: It's an absolute fast as far as I'm concerned. He's

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Speaker 3: an all black. That's the only reason he managed to

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Speaker 3: get off today. I mean the judge did go to

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Speaker 3: some link to explain it wasn't because it was an

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Speaker 3: all black, but thank you for that. After six o'clock

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Speaker 3: this evening, you know how the oil and gas industry

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Speaker 3: want the government to underwrite risk for oil and gas expiration.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to know why. We asked the Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: Nicola Wellis last night. She couldn't go into much detail.

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Speaker 3: But after six o' o'clock this evening, we're going to

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Speaker 3: catch up with Energy Resources ALTA or get them to

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Speaker 3: explain exactly what it would mean if the guverment decided

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Speaker 3: to underwrite that risk. We'll also get the latest on

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Speaker 3: this bird flu outbreak in Otago. Thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 3: animals having to been put down because of that outbreak,

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Speaker 3: so we'll see what's going to mean for our exports

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Speaker 3: and whether or not that outbreak is likely to spread.

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Speaker 3: It's almost six o'clock though, News is next. You're a

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Speaker 3: Jacktam on News doorgs EDB.

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Speaker 1: What's down?

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Speaker 2: What were the major calls and how will it affect

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Speaker 2: the economy of the big business questions on the Business

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Speaker 2: Hour with Jack Tam and My Hr on Newstalks.

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Speaker 3: EDB News Doorgs EDB before seven o'clock Beef and Lamb

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. It is calling for changes to New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: climate change policies on the back of new research that

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Speaker 3: suggests that New Zealand is out of step internationally in

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Speaker 3: a few key areas. We're going to give you details

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Speaker 3: on that very shortly right now though, at a seven

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Speaker 3: minutes past six on Newstorgs EDB and an oil and

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Speaker 3: gas lobby group has written to energy ministers and Brown

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Speaker 3: asking him to consider underwriting oil and gas exploration by

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Speaker 3: private companies. The argument mounted by Energy Resources Altered Or

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Speaker 3: is that we need something like this to get oil

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Speaker 3: and gas prospectors back to New Zealand after the last

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Speaker 3: governments offshore oil and bass exploration gan ban scared them off.

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Speaker 3: Green Party Colily Chloe Swarbricks has gas production peaked in

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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen and underwriting exploration for more would be quote deranged.

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Speaker 3: John Carnegie is chief executive of Energy Resources Altered Or,

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Speaker 3: and he's with us now, Hi, John.

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Speaker 19: Hey Jack here?

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Speaker 3: You don yeah, well think so, so just explain to

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Speaker 3: us what exactly were you proposing.

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Speaker 19: Well, actually, just before getting into that, we're a pan

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Speaker 19: Energy Sector Group. We represent the entire value chain of

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Speaker 19: the energy sector, So we proudly represent the oil and

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Speaker 19: gas sector, but we also represent electricity producers and distributors

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Speaker 19: and fueled distributors. But look in terms of your question,

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Speaker 19: but I actually think in terms of for your listeners,

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Speaker 19: it's important to put what we've asked for in context.

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Speaker 19: And they're two points. The first is we've actually got

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Speaker 19: an energy shortage and some in fact might call it

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Speaker 19: a crisis, and we felt that during the winter it's

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Speaker 19: caused havoc to industry and households. And actually we might

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Speaker 19: think we didn't have blackouts, but we did because they

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Speaker 19: were managed behind the scenes by two of our major exporters.

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Speaker 19: So you know, now, what we need now is policy

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Speaker 19: settings that encourage investment and new expiration and appraisal to

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Speaker 19: unclog the closed pipeline and deliver affordable, secure energy. And

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Speaker 19: the second point is actually that gas producers were actually

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Speaker 19: damaged badly by the twenty eighteen exploration ban, and so

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Speaker 19: what we're talking about is actually just re leveling the

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Speaker 19: playing field. Governments all over the developed world are setting

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Speaker 19: fixing settings to ensure they've got a reliable pipeline of

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Speaker 19: secure and affordable energy. And in fact, I think just

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Speaker 19: last week or the week before, this government invested sixty

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Speaker 19: million dollars in deep geothermal research. And while that's great,

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Speaker 19: it doesn't solve the now problem and we need natural

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Speaker 19: gas for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So to exactly what you asked of the minister,

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Speaker 3: just explain to us what you proposed in terms of

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Speaker 3: the government underwriting expiration.

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Speaker 19: Well, look, we didn't have a firm view on the

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Speaker 19: type of mechanism the government could choose, but look, the

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Speaker 19: Minister has for months been talking about the need to

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Speaker 19: offer gas produces some form of protection via bonds or

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Speaker 19: I think the Minister mused publicly about long term contracts,

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Speaker 19: and actually for months we've been publicly agreeing. So in

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Speaker 19: fact that only Radio New Zealand seemed to be surprised

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Speaker 19: by our letter and our suggestion that the Minister and

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Speaker 19: the government do what he has been suggesting. In fact,

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Speaker 19: actually were mystified why it's taking so long. I mean,

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Speaker 19: the bottom line for us, Jack is that oil and

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Speaker 19: gas expiration companies are worried that any investment they make

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Speaker 19: in New Zealand could be eroded or stripped away if

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Speaker 19: the government changes. So you know, this isn't a To

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Speaker 19: call it a subsidy would be a complete mischaracterization. It's

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Speaker 19: effectively like the government taking an insurance policy out against itself,

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Speaker 19: against its future self that promises no adverse rule changes

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Speaker 19: that would again damage the sector.

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Speaker 3: But what would happen if you didn't find anything? Who'd

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Speaker 3: be on the hoops?

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Speaker 19: That's the risk that would be borne by the sector.

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Speaker 3: Born by the textpayer as well.

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Speaker 19: Right, No, no, not at all. This is this is

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Speaker 19: this is an underwright that would only protect the sector

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Speaker 19: from pernicious future policy changes. This government has said, and

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Speaker 19: in fact they're in the process of reversing the oil

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Speaker 19: and Gas band, which we applaud, but we've already had

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Speaker 19: the opposition saying they're going to put it back in.

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Speaker 19: Now who would invest under those conditions?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 19: So the problem is, well, well, you know, there's certainly

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Speaker 19: plenty of gas out there and New Zealand is ripe

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Speaker 19: to be explored. Investors are loath to invest. They have

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Speaker 19: no confidence to invest that their investment today will be

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Speaker 19: kept whole tomorrow if a new government comes in. And

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Speaker 19: so actually, again the beauty of this is that there's

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Speaker 19: no if policies don't change, then this is a completely

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Speaker 19: costless policy. It would never get triggered. But it is,

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Speaker 19: as I said, like a guarantee.

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Speaker 3: So okay, I'm just going to read the leader here,

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Speaker 3: so quote, this is what you said. Our preferred option

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Speaker 3: is for the Crown to prioritize gas exploration. The most

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Speaker 3: efficient means of covering the security of supply risk is

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Speaker 3: some form of risk reward arrangement. This would entail the

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Speaker 3: government underwriting gas exploration and appraisal, whereby the government takes

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Speaker 3: part or all of the risk if natural gas should

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Speaker 3: not be produced, while sharing some of the reward. If

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Speaker 3: it is so, just to be totally clear, under that wording,

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Speaker 3: if you were to explore for gas and not find any,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't the government then be on the hook.

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Speaker 19: Well, no, the idea is that you know, here's because

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Speaker 19: here's the risks are quite nuanced. Jack.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, just to be totally clear, because you were saying

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Speaker 3: that you were saying you want to stop like a

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Speaker 3: government of the day in the future saying oh you

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Speaker 3: found gas, Sorry too, Bear, We're not going to let

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Speaker 3: you extract that gas because we're going to reintroduce this thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but the wording of that would suggest that the word

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Speaker 3: there says that should natural guess not be produced, but

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't be produced if you didn't find it, right, Well,

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Speaker 3: that's right, So the text player would be potentially be

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Speaker 3: on the hook for that risk as well.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 19: I mean, this is one of the one of the

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Speaker 19: options that we've put forward. It's one of a number

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Speaker 19: of options.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you haven't found you haven't found guess in

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Speaker 3: the past though, eh, like there was last time found.

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Speaker 19: In fact, the most recent discovery was the Tutoray field

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Speaker 19: in twenty twenty, right, so there is penny of gas there.

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Speaker 19: And part of the problem with the band is that

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Speaker 19: there are gas rich basins off the east coast of

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Speaker 19: both islands that were effectively sterilized by the ban, preventing

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Speaker 19: the future explorations. So you know that, as I said, Jack,

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Speaker 19: the damage to the sector's being severe, and you know

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Speaker 19: the it's it's actually extraordinary that you know, the what

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Speaker 19: are the country would the future of a sector be.

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Speaker 10: Banned?

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Speaker 19: And then the country, having realized that we need the product,

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Speaker 19: has come back to the sector to say come and

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Speaker 19: help us out. We need you to secure our energy future.

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Speaker 19: And so the sector is standing by ready to help.

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Speaker 19: It's just gun shy yea.

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Speaker 3: So how has the Energy minister responded?

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Speaker 19: Well, the Energy Well, in fact, it's the Resources minister.

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Speaker 19: Minister Jones, like the Energy Minister, he's committed to keeping

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Speaker 19: the lights on an energy affordable We haven't heard back

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Speaker 19: from the ministers at this point, but I do know

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Speaker 19: that Minister Jones has publicly and often said he's keen

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Speaker 19: to atone for the harm the oil and Gas band

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Speaker 19: has done to the industry. And I guess that was

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Speaker 19: the point I was making. What other industry has its future,

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Speaker 19: band has its investment pipeline strangled, and then it's called

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Speaker 19: on to help when a country realizes it needs their

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Speaker 19: help to ensure reliable, affordable energy.

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Speaker 3: It's like a compensation for the way in which that

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Speaker 3: band was introduced, is what you're suggesting pretty much.

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Speaker 19: And honestly, you can't make this stuff. You know, I

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Speaker 19: couldn't make this stuff up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 19: It's the damage has been severe and now the country

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Speaker 19: realizes how much we need natural gas to help us

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Speaker 19: actually as we journey towards the lower missions future.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks your time, John, We appreciate it. That is

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Speaker 3: our energy resources alter or Chief Executive John Carnegie. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it is sixteen past six with Jack Tame on Newstalks 'db.

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Speaker 3: Allan Drive and the Country host Jamie McKay is with

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Speaker 3: us this evening. Hi, Jamie Goda. Jack, any update for

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Speaker 3: us on the blue bird flu case in Otago? Is

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Speaker 3: it spreading? If they found it anywhere else?

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Speaker 17: No, nowhere else at that stage. I spoke to Raysmith,

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Speaker 17: the Director general of MPI at lunchtime on my show.

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Speaker 17: I've just watched the network news feed on it of

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Speaker 17: begetting press releases from MPI. So as it stands at

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Speaker 17: the moment, Jack, we're talking eighty thousand birds that are

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Speaker 17: going to have to be eradicated out of one hundred

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Speaker 17: and sixty thousand on that farm, that mainland poultry farm

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Speaker 17: at Moraki. But if you're worried about a lack of

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Speaker 17: eggs on the market because of this, just call your

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Speaker 17: jets AWE. But at the moment, because we've got like

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Speaker 17: four million layer hens in this country, so that's only

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Speaker 17: two percent. Obviously, if that number grows, it'll be concerned.

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Speaker 17: I just wonder whether there might even be more concerned Jack,

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Speaker 17: if it gets into the chicken meat industry, Raysmith told

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Speaker 17: me today, and I think I picked this up correctly.

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Speaker 17: We have one hundred million chickens for meat production, which

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Speaker 17: sounds a hell of a lot. That's like twenty chickens

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Speaker 17: for each of us to eat here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: But if it gets in there, it could have sub ramifications.

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Speaker 17: But look, MPI, to be fair to them, I've got

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Speaker 17: a pretty good track record in recent times with m

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Speaker 17: bovus and even with COVID tracing and all that sort

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Speaker 17: of stuff, I guess for shutting these things down. So

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Speaker 17: hopefully they can shut this one down. And it's just

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Speaker 17: just that farm affected.

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Speaker 3: The government's third and final Farmer Friendly Restoring Farmer Confidence

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Speaker 3: Tour meeting is taking place tomorrow NYMUMU. So what are

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Speaker 3: they hoping to achieve?

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Speaker 17: Well, that's a good question, Jack, I said to Prime

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Speaker 17: Minister Christopher Luxen on the show last week. Are you

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Speaker 17: effectively preaching to the choir because you know he's going

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Speaker 17: to get one hundred percent support of these meetings. Bearing

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Speaker 17: in mind, as said third and final, they've done Mystery

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Speaker 17: Creek Glass Tuesday. I think it was ash Burton Friday,

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Speaker 17: and then this one at the way Mumu Field days

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Speaker 17: sight just outside of Gore and Southland heartland kind of

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Speaker 17: national or coalition government country. Look, I think the idea

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Speaker 17: is to get amongst the farmers, share the love, get

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Speaker 17: them off farm some of them have had a bit

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Speaker 17: of a tough time weatherwise. Give him a barbie and

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Speaker 17: it's a chance for the farmers to rub shoulders not

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Speaker 17: only with the Prime Minister but with the Minister of

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Speaker 17: Agriculture and Trade, Todd McLay and also the President of

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Speaker 17: Federated Farmers Wayne Langford. So I suspect, being a Southland

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 17: and the South Jacket, there'll be a pretty good turn

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 17: out there and they'll get plenty of support. But they're

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Speaker 17: not getting it in other places, but they're certainly getting

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Speaker 17: it from the farmers.

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Speaker 3: Global Dairy Trade Auction tonight. What are you expecting, Jammie.

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Speaker 17: Well, greater minds than mine have thought about this. Jacka,

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01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 17: the guy I uses Mike McIntyre at chard and I've

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 17: got to give him a shameless plugs regular as clockwork,

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01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 17: he texts me every Tuesday before a GDT auction. Look,

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01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 17: he's picking one to two percent rise across the board,

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01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 17: led by the powder's whole milk powder, skim milk powder.

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01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 17: They could be a bit stronger to drag the Aberge

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Speaker 17: index up. The futures for the twenty four to twenty

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01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 17: five season jack currently sit at ten dollars and ten

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01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 17: cents and that is good, good money in anyone's in

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01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 17: anyone's box.

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Speaker 3: And Jamie Beef and Lame New Zealand are calling for

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01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 3: changes to New Zealand's climate change policies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Well, they're saying that we're out of step internationally with

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Speaker 17: other key areas. And this is a report that they've

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01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 17: had commissioned with sixteen other or sixteen jurisdictions, that's effectively

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 17: fifteen countries PULT plus the EU. They're saying, you know,

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01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 17: the same sort of stuff we've heard for a long time,

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 17: that that our beef and lamb from farm to plate

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01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 17: is amongst the lowest in the world in terms of

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Speaker 17: absolute emissions. The other interesting factor is that sheep and

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01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 17: beef farms have reduced their emissions and this is by

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Speaker 17: attrition by thirty five percent since nineteen ninety when we

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01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 17: first put a peg in the sand around climate change.

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 17: Kate Ackland says, we're not being let off the hook.

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Speaker 17: That's the narrative that's out there. She's saying, no other

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Speaker 17: country apart from Denmark, is currently intending to put a

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Speaker 17: price on agricultural emissions. We will by the year twenty

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 17: thirty under current policy, and in the likes of Denmark,

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01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 17: those farmers are going to be have their their emissions

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01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 17: pricing offset big time by billions of dollars of subsidies

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Speaker 17: to farmers. Interestingly, Jack, of all those sixteen jurisdictions, only

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01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 17: New Zealand doesn't have a limit on the amount of

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01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 17: forestry offsets available to fossil fuel emitters, and many have

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01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 17: policies aimed at limiting the conversion of productive farms into

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Speaker 17: carbon forestry. Expect some announcement from the government tomorrow, maybe

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Speaker 17: Chris By, Christopher Luxe and Todd McClay at Hye Murmur

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01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 17: on the changes to those off setting rules.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, Jamie, appreciated as ever, mate. That

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01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 3: is host of the country Jamie McKay twenty four past six.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Jack Team and my HR the

1556
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: HR solution for busy sms on News Talk.

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01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 3: Mary is seeing the funny side of life at the moment, Jack,

1558
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 3: they need to release the cat flu to eradicate the

1559
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: bird flu. Unfortunately I have no epidemiologist. I don't think

1560
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 3: it quite works like that. But yeah, amazing when you

1561
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 3: put the put into context the number of animals that

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01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: have had to be destroyed as a result of this

1563
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: bird flu outbreak and compare that to the total number

1564
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 3: of chickens in New Zealand. Was it for four million?

1565
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay reckoned Jack, regarding the oil and gas interview,

1566
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: very very interesting, said in one sentence that there would

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01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: be no cost to the taxpayer, but then in an

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01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: earlier quote effectively said the opposite. Hmmm, yeah, that was intriguing.

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01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that this government, although they obviously want

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01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: to improve New Zealand's energy independence, I can't imagine that

1571
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 3: this government is going to have a whole lot of

1572
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 3: enthusiasm for underwriting something if there is a potential likely

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01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: cost to the taxpayer, And of course it depends who

1574
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 3: you ask at the moment. The likelihood of finding significant

1575
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 3: new gas deposits that might be might be tapped sometime soon.

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01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two

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Speaker 3: is the text number if you want to send us

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01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 3: a message. Jacket Newstork's dB dot CO dot m Z

1579
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: before seven o'clock this evening, while the former UK Prime

1580
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: Minister is here, we are going to take you to

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01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: the UK Plus. We're going to take a closer look

1582
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 3: at this solar zero situation. Speak to CEO of another

1583
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: solar company to find out just how hard the solar

1584
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: business is doing it. Right now, it's almost six thirty though,

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Speaker 3: News US Next you with Jack Tame on Newstorg zb.

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01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 1: Qunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: Is Jacktam with the Business Hour thanks to my HR

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01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy Yes, Simmy's on News talksby.

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01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:21,560
Speaker 3: Really Us Talks be with Jack Tame. Thank you for

1590
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 3: your messages this evening. Jack, regarding New Zealand's need for

1591
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: more energy, my energy advice is stock up on candles,

1592
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 3: deodor into wall blankets. Problem solved, says Chris.

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01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 17: Hmm.

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01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not sure the problem solved necessarily, Chris,

1595
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 3: but it's an interesting point. This energy independence thing I

1596
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 3: think is going to become more and more of an

1597
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: issue was fascinating. I was talking to the outgoing head

1598
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 3: of the Climate Change Commission, Rod car the other day,

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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 3: and he was saying, he reckons the biggest impetus in

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01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 3: New Zealand is going to be energy independent because of

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01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 3: all of the international volatility that we're kind of just

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 3: getting a bit of a window into now. The likelihood

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 3: of more volatility is the US and China are increasingly

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: compete in years to come, the Russians as well. He

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01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 3: said that he reckons the drive to have a total

1606
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 3: energy independence and not be importing nearly as much energy

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01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 3: as going to be a huge factor when it comes

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 3: to New Zealand's future. And so getting more cars that

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01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 3: are burning petrol off the roads and burning diesel off

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01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 3: the roads, getting more electrification right across our system, he

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01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: reckons that's going to be the big driving force anyway.

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Speaker 3: If you want to see his message, ninety two ninety

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Speaker 3: two is the text number speaking of renewable energy forms.

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Speaker 3: The owner of a solar panel business has weighed in

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Speaker 3: on why he thinks Solar zero has failed. So Solo

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 3: zero was a solar panel subscription service that was unexpectedly

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01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 3: put into liquidation by its one hundred percent shareholder, black

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01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 3: Rock last week. John Harmon is the owner of light

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Speaker 3: Force Solar and is with us this evening.

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Speaker 6: Hi John, Good afternoon Jack.

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Speaker 3: Were you surprised by the Solar zero announcement?

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Speaker 6: I was absolutely stunned. Yes.

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Speaker 25: Why Well, they had such a huge pool of money

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01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 25: behind them, and you know, they had a pretty awesome

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01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 25: proposition that you could put solar panels on your roof

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Speaker 25: at no charge, so it was amazing.

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Speaker 6: I was astonished.

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01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it does from a consumer perspective, putting

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01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 3: solar panels on your roof and no charge does sound

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01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 3: pretty good. But I suppose from a business perspective that

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01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: there might come with a few more fishhooks. So explain

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Speaker 3: to us why did Solar zero close down?

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Speaker 25: Well, I mean, the thing is, we're at the end

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01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 25: of the supply chain from China. A lot of the

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 25: batteries and the technology that we installed five to ten

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 25: years ago, and our pasts are used by data need replacing.

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01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 6: So that's the first thing.

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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 25: And the second thing is that you know, the contract

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01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 25: was for twenty five years, and most people buy and

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01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 25: sell their house within seven to ten years, and that

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01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 25: contract had to be transferred to the new owner, so

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01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 25: that caused a problem. I mean, for instance, the final

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 25: thing is that the price of panels and the qualities

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01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 25: come down. So you can put twenty thousand dollars worth

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01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 25: of panels on your house and that adds thirty thousand

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 25: dollars worth of value to you when you sell it.

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01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 6: So all of.

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Speaker 25: Those factors I think are played into the demise of

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Speaker 25: black Rock.

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01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 3: So explain that point to us. So you can put

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Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars worth of panels on your roof and

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01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 3: that increases your house value by more. Explain that to us.

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Speaker 6: So that's that comes from Sydney, Australia.

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01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 25: The fact that you've got independent energy source and these

1655
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 25: panels last for thirty years increases the value of your house.

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01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 6: So you increase the value of your house.

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01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 25: You probably produce about twenty five to thirty percent of

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01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 25: your power off the roof for the next thirty years.

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 25: And if you move things around and sort of plug

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01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 25: in your ev during the sunny day, you get free

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01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 25: juice to run your car.

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of positives about.

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01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 25: Being independent and owning, owning your own sort of generation source.

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01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean absolutely. It's the capital cost that's often

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01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 3: the challenge for people, right, But I suppose if you're

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01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 3: putting panels at a capital cost of twenty grand on

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Speaker 3: your rooth and you're going to be saving on power

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Speaker 3: to the tune of ten grand in the future, if

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01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 3: not more, then it does make sense. So how's your

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01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 3: business going, John, how's light force solar going at the moment.

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01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 6: Well, we can't keep up with demand.

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01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 25: I mean, the people are aware that power prices are

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01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 25: going up, they're aware now that they need resilience and independence.

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01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 25: So we've got a three month waiting list to do

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01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 25: an installation. We're in about seven places around New Zealand,

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01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 25: major centers, so we can't keep up with demand.

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01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean it's really reached the tipping point where

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01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 25: the price of power, the price of panels, and the

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 25: feeling that kevies want, which is to be independent of

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01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 25: the big boys, all of that's quite a moving feast

1682
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 25: and it's really the tipping point for us.

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01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. So do you think that solar zero because of

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01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: its kind of unique structure was an outlier and that

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01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 3: other solar providers in New Zealand have more robust businesses

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01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 3: even in these trying economic times.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 25: Absolutely, you just have to right size your business. And

1689
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 25: we don't have a legacy of old customers requiring upgrades.

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01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 6: And stuff like that.

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01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 25: So you know, if we do any upgrades with people,

1692
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 25: they say I start off with ten pounels, but now

1693
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 25: I want another ten or they say I want ten

1694
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 25: pounds in a battery because I trust that it really works.

1695
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 25: So you know, that's a different model to lease to own.

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01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 25: And we're quite a small population in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 25: You know people want to go with you know, they

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01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 25: often buy local and they want to buy locally owned.

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01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 6: We're a New Zealand owned company.

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01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 25: But the almost all of my installation guys have been

1702
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 25: with me ten years.

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01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 6: They're real experts.

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01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 25: And it's not one size fits all. You know, each

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01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 25: roof is different, each budget is different, so you have

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01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 25: to you have to you have to make sure that

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01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 25: you're meeting people's expectations.

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01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, and meeting the budget.

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01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes total sense. You know,

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01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 3: it's fascinating to look at what Australia has done on

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01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 3: the solar front. And obviously there are different climatic conditions

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01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 3: in Australia, although I suppose a city like Melbourne would

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01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 3: be relatively comparable, relatively comparable to a city like Auclord.

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01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: But are there things that you think the government could do,

1715
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 3: John that would make it easier with regulation, that would

1716
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 3: speed up the uptake of roofshop solar.

1717
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 25: Absolutely, any new house should have rooftop solar mandatory, so

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01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:52,719
Speaker 25: that's new bills.

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01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 6: We should have recognition that.

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01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 25: If you put a battery on that you're creating resilience

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Speaker 25: and you can use the battery to a charge from

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Speaker 25: the grid during cheap power prices and discharge to the

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Speaker 25: grid from high power prices, so you basically.

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Speaker 6: Become a gentail. You generate power and you can sell power.

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Speaker 25: And those are the things that modern technology is allowing

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Speaker 25: you to do. And that's an ever increasing wave. I mean,

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Speaker 25: in Australia of the whole energy system, twenty two percent

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Speaker 25: is rooftop solar, not solar farms rooftop solar. In New

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Speaker 25: Zealand it's aboutzero point one percent. We've got a long

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Speaker 25: way to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that is amazing, isn't it. That I mean, again,

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Speaker 3: very different kind of climatic environment, but that is quite remarkable. John,

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Speaker 3: how did you go from being a breast surgeon to

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Speaker 3: the owner of a solar panel company.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm the accidental owner, Jack, so thanks for that.

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Speaker 25: I really saw this as the future of New Zealand,

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Speaker 25: and I'm an entrepreneur, and I invested in the company

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Speaker 25: and then it grew so big that I had to

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Speaker 25: buy the original founder out, as often happens, and grow

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Speaker 25: it in the direction that was most business like.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's amazing. How different is your life then?

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Speaker 3: You enjoying this?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 25: I mean I asked some of our installation guys when

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Speaker 25: I first invested in the company, I said, how's it going?

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Speaker 25: And they said, Johnny, I have a different view from

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Speaker 25: my office every morning, and I'm saving the planet.

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Speaker 6: It's the best job in the world.

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Speaker 25: And I have that sense within our community that we're

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Speaker 25: doing right by our community, and we're doing right by

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Speaker 25: global warming. So and it's really plugged into the latest

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Speaker 25: technologies that are fast moving.

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Speaker 6: So it's exciting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So for people who've been considering going solar for

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Speaker 3: some time, do you reckon there are going to be

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Speaker 3: big reductions in the cost of solar panels in the

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Speaker 3: years to come. I mean it keeps getting cheaper and

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01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 3: cheaper and cheaper, but for how much long is that

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Speaker 3: going to continue?

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Speaker 25: Well, no, we're starting to see panel prices at their

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Speaker 25: cheapest and they're putting in slight price increases, so they're

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Speaker 25: at the highest quality and cheapest price now that they're

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Speaker 25: only going to go up slightly in price.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I think that the panels are.

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Speaker 25: Incredibly high tech in the last thirty years, so they're

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Speaker 25: not going to get much better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thanks for your time. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That is John Harmon. He is the owner of Lightforce Solar.

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Speaker 3: It's quarter to seven. You're with Jacktame on Newstorgs.

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Speaker 2: He'd b whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Jack team and

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Speaker 2: my HR. The HR solution for busy SMEs news talks

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Speaker 2: B was.

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Speaker 3: The bit the future governmental counsels will decide sol the

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Speaker 3: power users have to pay their officiar and taxing to

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Speaker 3: the point it won't end up being any cheaper for them. Well, look,

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Speaker 3: never say never. I suppose the end, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that's totally likely at the stage ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 3: If you want to send us some it is time

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Speaker 3: to catch up with UK correspondent in the Brady Hi, Inda.

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Speaker 5: Hey Jack, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: You too, now pretty sure is mounting on the BBC

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Speaker 3: to pull the plug on mastershift shows involving Greg Wallace.

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Speaker 5: So, if you haven't followed this story, a lot of women,

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Speaker 5: and a lot of them are well known women in

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Speaker 5: the media spotlight here have come forward to say and

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Speaker 5: complain about Greg Wallace making inappropriate jokes of a sexual nature,

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Speaker 5: sexualized banter. Not good about thirteen people now, he's pointing

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Speaker 5: out he's basically come out of the Trump playbook with

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Speaker 5: his defense. And Greg Wallace is an unabashed asked Englishman

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Speaker 5: and he has come out and said on Instagram the

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Speaker 5: other day that if you notice the complaints and the complainants,

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Speaker 5: he said, they're all from middle class ladies of a

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Speaker 5: certain age. So that was his response. It has not

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01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 5: gone down very well, so much so that more people

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Speaker 5: have come forward and it's getting worse for him. He's

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Speaker 5: kind of flambayed his career to use a culinary expression

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Speaker 5: and he's now had to apologize, but it's it's almost

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01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,919
Speaker 5: a non apology. He said that if you were offended

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Speaker 5: by what he said about middle class ladies of a

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Speaker 5: certain age complaining about him, he's sorry. The show goes

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Speaker 5: on on TV. At least they've already filmed Mastership. It

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Speaker 5: is the one of the points big coverage and entertainment

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Speaker 5: up until Christmas. But the problem they've got is this

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Speaker 5: is on the front pages here every single day now.

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Speaker 5: Greg Wallace has become a media caricature. And then they've

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Speaker 5: they've got a show that's already filmed. They're at the

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Speaker 5: semi final stage and people are now saying that just

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Speaker 5: been and off and await the results of the investigation.

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Speaker 3: Ah dear, Yeah, what a fiesco. Imagine being in the

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Speaker 3: BBC having to make that call. That's really tricky. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Camilla has pulled out of today's ceremonial welcome for Kata's

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Speaker 3: royals while they're on a state visits.

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Speaker 5: So this is a three day state visit by the

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Speaker 5: Emir of Qatar and his wife. They are some of

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Speaker 5: the wealthiest people in history and they're coming to the

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Speaker 5: UK for three days before Christmas. Now Camilla has the

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Speaker 5: lingering effects of that chest infection that has kind of

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Speaker 5: taken her out of the loop for several weeks now

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Speaker 5: since she got back from Australia and India and Samoa.

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Speaker 5: So she's not going to be taking part in the

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Speaker 5: carriage procession today. Now it was minus eight in parts

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Speaker 5: of Scotland last night. I've not even seen what it

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Speaker 5: was here in Oxfordshire. I know it was cold. It

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Speaker 5: will be a bitterly cold morning to be around horse

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Speaker 5: Guards Parade in London, especially if you're not in the

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Speaker 5: best of shape and your lungs are giving you grief.

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Speaker 5: So I think she's quite right to take a step

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Speaker 5: back today. Apparently she will attend the lunch indoors later on,

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Speaker 5: but she will not be in the carriage procession to

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Speaker 5: welcome the Emir of Qatar. It is Keir Starmer's first

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Speaker 5: state visit here as Prime Minister, so it's a big deal.

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Speaker 5: And look, Britain needs growth and the Kataries could certainly

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Speaker 5: do a lot for British business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how the French government is on the brink

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Speaker 3: of collapse.

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Speaker 5: Hanging by a thread. So Michel Barney out of the

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Speaker 5: name Rings of Belle was the basically the European Union

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Speaker 5: bureaucrat who did their Brexit negotiations. He's now French Prime minister.

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Speaker 5: He yesterday decided to force through a budget without a vote.

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Speaker 5: The French are extremely angry. You can imagine how they

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Speaker 5: go on this one. So he is looking at a

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Speaker 5: vote of no confidence, possibly as early as tomorrow, possibly

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Speaker 5: the French government collapsing. Because he can't win the vote

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Speaker 5: of no confidence, the far right to go against him

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Speaker 5: and that will mean that the French government could collapse

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Speaker 5: as early as Thursday. So a lot of stress. There,

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Speaker 5: a lot of problems. It's the second biggest economy in Europe.

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Speaker 5: We need a strong, prosperous, politically stable France. Waiting in

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Speaker 5: the background, of course, is Marie Le Penn of the

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Speaker 5: far right, her National Rally Party. They got ten million

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Speaker 5: votes last year in the European elections last time round,

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Speaker 5: so she's gaining in popularity and that spells bad news

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Speaker 5: for Emmanuel Macronkie.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what do you think this is about Maccron's decision

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Speaker 3: to call that snap election.

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Speaker 5: I think, in hindsight, I'm guessing now. I was there.

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Speaker 5: I covered it time. It was in the middle of

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Speaker 5: a mini riot in Paris. I think in hindsight he's

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Speaker 5: probably regretting it now, but he did it to shock

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Speaker 5: the French people because there was a huge surge of

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Speaker 5: support ten million votes for the far right and the

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Speaker 5: pen during the European elections, and I think he woke

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Speaker 5: up the next day and thought, Okay, do you know what,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to go to the people. If you want

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Speaker 5: the farawright government, bring it on. And of course the

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Speaker 5: far right did not win that election. They swung far left.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's Francis all over the place. Germany's in

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Speaker 5: a bad place as well. Twenty twenty five could be

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Speaker 5: a very difficult year for the European project. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time in the as IF a

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Speaker 3: UK correspondent in the Brady with us this evening. It's

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Speaker 3: just coming up to six minutes to seven.

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Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

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01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 1: will be the impact.

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Speaker 2: It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be right, Oh, just coming up to seven o'clock

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Speaker 3: on news talks. He'd be thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: all of your text and emails throughout the afternoon. Sanitarium

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Speaker 3: said a pretty rough day. So they've ended the production

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Speaker 3: of their peanut butter range and they say we sincerely apologize.

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Speaker 3: But not only that, of course, the finance mister Nicola

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Speaker 3: well there suggesting the government's may be going to be

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Speaker 3: making some moves on looking to tax the charitable organizations

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Speaker 3: that are using corporate operations or using private businesses to

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Speaker 3: fund some of the operations. So anyway, you're not a

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Speaker 3: great day for Sanitarium. Maybe as has chosen the song

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Speaker 3: to close us out this evening. What are you going for, sir?

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Speaker 26: Oh, Like, you don't know what this song is.

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Speaker 3: I never heard it when we hit the next three

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Speaker 3: days or anything.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, why amca by the village people to play us out?

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Speaker 1: Way?

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Speaker 3: Why why?

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Speaker 26: Victor Willis has come out and said that it is

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Speaker 26: totally cool for Donald Trump to use this as a

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Speaker 26: and there has been some dispute about list in this past,

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Speaker 26: but ultimately he's like, no, I don't want to say

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Speaker 26: who can all come?

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Speaker 3: Who's Victor Willow?

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Speaker 26: Oh, that's the question. Everyone wants to know. He's the

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Speaker 26: policeman and or the naval opposite, depending on what you think.

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Speaker 3: I might have interviewed him. I've interviewed the village people.

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Speaker 3: He's a career hard.

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Speaker 26: He also says that if anyone calls the song aga anthem,

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Speaker 26: he will sue them.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to say that. Would never say that.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine my anyone would thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Chance Darcy water Grave with Sports Talk right after the

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