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Speaker 1: Commercial fishes won't be allowed to catch and sell popular

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Speaker 1: undersized fish. After a Shane Jones walk back, there's about

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Speaker 1: a million recreational anglers in the country. Many said it

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Speaker 1: would harm the fish stocks, kill them off before they

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Speaker 1: could spawn. Ellie Hooper is with Greenpeace, joins me this morning.

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Speaker 1: Hey Ellie, Ellie, you're there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? Yeap?

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Speaker 1: Gotcha? All good? So so you're happy with this?

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Speaker 2: No, I'd say we're not happy with it, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: And I don't think either of the wreck fishers. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think basically what's happened here is the government have

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Speaker 2: been given one small concession in a bill that is

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Speaker 2: essentially a bonfire and will cause the ocean health to

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Speaker 2: degrade further if it's allowed to pass. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that New Zealanders are fooled by one of the worst

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Speaker 2: parts of this bill being removed, but a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of really problematic things remaining. What's the bill?

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Speaker 1: What's the most problematic for you is that the fact

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Speaker 1: that you can't come back and argue You've got a

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Speaker 1: limited timeframe. Who argue if something goes wrong? What is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, well, I think ensure. I mean it

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Speaker 2: reads like a wish list to the commercial trawling industry. Still, so, yes,

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Speaker 2: there's the big problem with the kind of erosion of

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Speaker 2: public participation, public consultation, just as you said, the kind

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Speaker 2: of the limit on judicial review, which has been a

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Speaker 2: really useful pathway for groups to actually challenge bad decisions

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Speaker 2: made by the Fisheries Minister. And there's also the issue

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Speaker 2: of cameras on boats, because that is a really important

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Speaker 2: part of transparency around this industry that they struggle with.

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Speaker 2: But essentially under this bill, it says we're going to

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Speaker 2: lock that footage up, you can't access it, and anybody

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Speaker 2: who leaks it, so that includes a journalist individual organization

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Speaker 2: could be finned up to fifty thousand dollars. So it's

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Speaker 2: really problematic because essentially silencing all New Zealander's right to

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Speaker 2: have a say and saying the only people who get

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Speaker 2: to talk about what happens in the ocean is the

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Speaker 2: commercial fishing industry.

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Speaker 1: Ellie, you know bottom trawling, which I know you have

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Speaker 1: a big problem with. Was reading this morning. This is

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Speaker 1: from that the total area trolled in our Exclusive economic

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Speaker 1: Zone and territorial waters between nineteen ninety and twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four was only eleven percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting statistics that the government us. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think my understanding is that fishable depths in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand is a huge percentage of the fishable depth in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand that has been trolled at some point in

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Speaker 2: our history. And I think you know also, we're incredibly

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Speaker 2: reliant on bottom trawlling in New Zealand and that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: A huge amount of our catch comes from it. We've

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Speaker 2: all watched David Attamer's Ocean documentary. We've seen the impact.

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Speaker 2: And no matter what the fishing industry says about how

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Speaker 2: bottom tralling is somehow magically better in New Zealand, it's

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Speaker 2: simply not true. What we could have done under these

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Speaker 2: reforms is start addressing some of those real problems that

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Speaker 2: we're facing in fisheries in New Zealand, like maybe not

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Speaker 2: incentivizing the worst types of fishing bottom trawling and incentivize

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Speaker 2: more selective practices. But actually this just reads like a

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Speaker 2: wish list for the commercial touring industry to make things

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Speaker 2: easier for them.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate your time. Elie Hooper Greenpeace for more.

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