WEBVTT - Literally running it up the flagpole (14 May 2025) 0:00:07.133 --> 0:00:11.413 You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from Newstalk ZEDB. 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:17.453 Good evening, Welcome, hope you good. My name is Marcus. 0:00:17.733 --> 0:00:20.133 Here till twelve tonight. I hope things are good in 0:00:20.173 --> 0:00:26.773 your district. Who calls them districts? So that movie District nine. 0:00:26.813 --> 0:00:29.093 Remember that was a weird one. Welcome here till twelve. 0:00:29.573 --> 0:00:31.533 I hope you're good. If you're not good, I hope 0:00:31.573 --> 0:00:36.173 you're better by the time twelve o'clock rolls around. I talk, 0:00:36.253 --> 0:00:38.573 you talk, we talk, we talk back at you. Oh, 0:00:38.613 --> 0:00:41.653 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to text, 0:00:41.653 --> 0:00:43.613 that's nine two nine to. If you've got an email, 0:00:44.133 --> 0:00:49.573 you can Marcus at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot m Z. 0:00:51.453 --> 0:00:52.973 He had to stop there for a second. I was 0:00:52.973 --> 0:00:55.693 giving out my private email. But that's not that exciting. Hey, 0:00:56.613 --> 0:00:58.573 they're the only way was ways ready to get in touch. 0:00:58.573 --> 0:01:00.533 I'm sure there's a fax machine floating around somewhere. I 0:01:00.573 --> 0:01:04.493 don't know if that works. Who uses facts is probably 0:01:04.533 --> 0:01:08.253 crims A because you can't decode it. Also, if you 0:01:08.253 --> 0:01:10.693 want to call from overseas, if you text us, we'll 0:01:10.693 --> 0:01:13.213 call you back and we can WhatsApp you. We've never 0:01:13.213 --> 0:01:17.413 done that yet. Yes we can, and be very clear. 0:01:17.493 --> 0:01:19.293 Sounds like you have talking in my ear right next 0:01:19.293 --> 0:01:22.253 to me. That's right. You can WhatsApp in your ear. 0:01:22.493 --> 0:01:24.533 But you got a text and we'll call you back. 0:01:24.533 --> 0:01:30.733 We can do WhatsApp love WhatsApp anyway, do get in 0:01:30.733 --> 0:01:34.413 touched you on talk. My name is Macashaded twelve. Now 0:01:35.573 --> 0:01:41.973 something slightly different tonight, and I don't necessarily know how 0:01:42.013 --> 0:01:48.653 well it's going to go, and that's fine. Often topic wise, 0:01:49.653 --> 0:01:53.613 these discussions are a leap into the void and the unknown. However, 0:01:54.933 --> 0:01:58.213 so here's what I'm thinking about. Someone rung up and 0:01:58.213 --> 0:01:59.733 asked me how long I've been on the show for 0:01:59.893 --> 0:02:01.653 and I can't know. It's last night, and I can't remember. 0:02:01.693 --> 0:02:05.773 It must be almost a decade. It's gone very fast, 0:02:06.133 --> 0:02:09.533 and so gone very slightly depends. But what I do 0:02:09.613 --> 0:02:13.133 remember is that when I first came and took this 0:02:13.373 --> 0:02:17.933 job on, one of the real big topics that dominated 0:02:17.973 --> 0:02:22.573 for the first couple of weeks was the flag referendum, 0:02:23.853 --> 0:02:27.293 and then it'd be announced in twenty fourteen when John 0:02:27.373 --> 0:02:31.013 Key came to power and he said there's going to 0:02:31.013 --> 0:02:35.613 be a flag referendum, and then in twenty fifteen, which 0:02:35.693 --> 0:02:37.893 is ten years ago. At the end of twenty fifteen, 0:02:38.813 --> 0:02:41.973 we had the referendum on the four choices of the flags. 0:02:44.333 --> 0:02:45.853 I'm pretty sure this is how it goes. It was 0:02:45.853 --> 0:02:48.173 a bit like the America's Cup. But we voted on 0:02:48.213 --> 0:02:49.973 the four and then they had the one that looked 0:02:50.013 --> 0:02:52.453 like the weak big spox that went up against the 0:02:52.493 --> 0:02:56.133 original flag, the one we have, and then we voted 0:02:56.173 --> 0:03:00.453 on that. And if my memory serves me right, and 0:03:01.573 --> 0:03:03.613 all memory is different, we can only remember what we 0:03:03.693 --> 0:03:06.533 actually experienced at the time. It seemed to me that 0:03:06.573 --> 0:03:15.093 there was a mood for change. However, that mood for 0:03:15.413 --> 0:03:20.413 change did not get behind one of the flags, because 0:03:20.413 --> 0:03:24.013 they were all kind of okay, but not a slam dunk. 0:03:26.133 --> 0:03:28.413 Because for a while there was a fifth flag, which 0:03:28.493 --> 0:03:30.253 was Red Peak, which was a trial and if I 0:03:30.293 --> 0:03:34.133 thought Red Peak would be the one, and that was 0:03:34.173 --> 0:03:37.453 ten years ago, and even went on about how much 0:03:37.493 --> 0:03:39.253 it costs twenty six million in the scheme of things, 0:03:39.253 --> 0:03:41.853 It probably wasn't that much money, but those things stick 0:03:42.293 --> 0:03:43.773 huge amount. It for money for a bit of a 0:03:43.813 --> 0:03:48.133 personal vanity project. And I remember doing talkback the night 0:03:48.173 --> 0:03:53.333 the referendum came out and people loved the wheatbox packet one, 0:03:54.853 --> 0:03:56.253 the blue and white and the silver fur. They said 0:03:56.253 --> 0:03:57.813 they would be carrying that. They thought there was a 0:03:57.853 --> 0:04:01.133 sense that that would become the day facto New Zealand flag, 0:04:01.173 --> 0:04:03.133 that people would take that because the Australian flag, the 0:04:03.133 --> 0:04:06.933 New Zealand flag was too similar. I needed that to 0:04:06.973 --> 0:04:13.333 distinguish from the others. Anyway, my question to you is 0:04:13.333 --> 0:04:16.973 it a question. It's ten years down the track, how 0:04:17.013 --> 0:04:21.733 are we feeling about it. I'm not hearing anyone wanting 0:04:21.813 --> 0:04:27.373 to change the flag. Did what that whole thing proved 0:04:27.413 --> 0:04:29.173 that we quite like our old flag? Is that what 0:04:29.213 --> 0:04:31.733 it proved. I'm just kind of curious to know where 0:04:31.773 --> 0:04:33.933 you have settled with this ten years on, because there 0:04:34.013 --> 0:04:36.253 was a huge amount of strong feeling about it. You 0:04:36.293 --> 0:04:38.893 do talk back, people bring up and say, oh hi, Marcus, 0:04:38.893 --> 0:04:42.293 I'm a vex psychologist. I'm a vexiologist. I study flags, 0:04:42.893 --> 0:04:46.453 and there's all sorts of misinformation and pomposity, and people 0:04:46.493 --> 0:04:49.533 told us how terrible our flag was, and all these 0:04:49.573 --> 0:04:58.573 things happened, and basically or a huge amount of concern, 0:04:59.133 --> 0:05:03.053 argument opinion was passed over. When I passed over, was 0:05:03.093 --> 0:05:07.493 passed forth and people discussed this it greatly. Nothing changed, 0:05:07.533 --> 0:05:11.333 But did it change? Did we through all that become 0:05:11.973 --> 0:05:14.893 more accepting of the flag we've got and more at 0:05:14.933 --> 0:05:16.693 peace with it? Or do we still want another go 0:05:16.813 --> 0:05:19.653 at it? Is that? I guess that's what I'm really 0:05:19.693 --> 0:05:23.933 angling for. Now. Is the time now right to say, Okay, 0:05:24.413 --> 0:05:28.253 let's chuck it in the mix, we want to give 0:05:28.253 --> 0:05:30.453 it a go, we want something different. I'm not saying 0:05:30.453 --> 0:05:32.893 there aren't other issues that are important or more important, 0:05:33.253 --> 0:05:35.293 but I'm saying a decent length of time has gone 0:05:35.293 --> 0:05:39.733 a decade, is it time now to reconsider that? Because 0:05:39.733 --> 0:05:40.893 probably the way to do it would come up with 0:05:40.933 --> 0:05:43.653 a really good alternative and pump it and take it 0:05:43.693 --> 0:05:45.693 to the parties and say, hey, we think this is 0:05:45.733 --> 0:05:48.453 the idea. Can we see if this could be considered? 0:05:51.213 --> 0:05:53.573 So yeah, there you go. It's ten years on from 0:05:53.613 --> 0:05:56.293 the flag referendum, give or take a couple of months, 0:05:56.293 --> 0:05:59.533 although it happened in two tronches, two parts. What do 0:05:59.573 --> 0:06:04.613 you reckon? Are you quite happy with the one you've got? 0:06:04.733 --> 0:06:04.773 Or? 0:06:04.933 --> 0:06:06.973 Because I mean, the lot's changed in the last ten years. 0:06:08.653 --> 0:06:12.533 A lot has changed. We've gone forwards, we've gone backwards, 0:06:12.573 --> 0:06:15.613 We've gone sideways. But yeah, I'm just asking you the 0:06:15.653 --> 0:06:18.533 state of the nation. If you are now quite content 0:06:18.613 --> 0:06:22.293 with it? Was it a situation that people were quite 0:06:22.293 --> 0:06:24.413 intent of it until they're offered a sense of a change, 0:06:24.413 --> 0:06:27.173 and then in fact people started breaking bad in all 0:06:27.213 --> 0:06:29.413 directions and saying, oh, we need this because we get 0:06:29.453 --> 0:06:32.973 confused at the football. I think anyone's ever been really confused. 0:06:34.973 --> 0:06:36.973 So yes, so if we went about changing, how would 0:06:36.973 --> 0:06:40.213 we go about it this time? Because that way with 0:06:40.293 --> 0:06:42.013 a panel that came up with those four things, it 0:06:42.013 --> 0:06:43.613 seems as though they just happened with four things that 0:06:43.613 --> 0:06:46.613 they thought John Key would like because they'd double down 0:06:46.613 --> 0:06:48.493 on the silver fern. So yes, if you've got an 0:06:48.493 --> 0:06:50.533 opinion about that, I'd like to hear from you. My 0:06:50.613 --> 0:06:52.853 name is Marcus. Welcome, Oh eight hundred and eighty Taddy 0:06:52.853 --> 0:06:55.613 and nine to text. What have you got? Do you 0:06:55.653 --> 0:06:58.053 want it? Or is it as it passed? Because they 0:06:58.093 --> 0:06:59.573 said it would be a twenty year once in a 0:06:59.613 --> 0:07:07.493 twenty year chance to change your flag, We're halfway there. Yes, 0:07:08.693 --> 0:07:10.413 a lot of people to it. The laser KEI we 0:07:10.533 --> 0:07:17.493 also and that was the one that's probably still out 0:07:17.533 --> 0:07:19.653 there from time to time. You see that around you think, 0:07:19.653 --> 0:07:21.293 oh well, that's the one of course with the Kiwi 0:07:21.293 --> 0:07:29.773 with the laser coming out of its eyes. What's your thoughts? People? 0:07:31.053 --> 0:07:33.453 A textas says, I think the Kyle lock Would silver 0:07:33.853 --> 0:07:37.973 silver fan flu was sorry. I think the Kyle Lockwood 0:07:38.013 --> 0:07:43.053 silver fan flag was close to perfect. However, the reason 0:07:43.093 --> 0:07:45.293 why it didn't come in was that whilst it had 0:07:45.293 --> 0:07:47.613 the silver fan and the stars on it, it did 0:07:47.613 --> 0:07:53.853 not have the Union jack. And that's the one that 0:07:53.933 --> 0:07:56.413 became sort of widely accept as the wheatbex Box because 0:07:56.413 --> 0:08:02.013 it looked just like it with a fan and the diagonal. Marcus, 0:08:02.013 --> 0:08:03.413 I went to a nassy bar in Thailand. It was 0:08:03.413 --> 0:08:08.373 full of New Zealand flags. Ops, Marcus, we just make 0:08:08.373 --> 0:08:13.333 Australia change their flag. Is there a problem there anyway? 0:08:13.493 --> 0:08:15.813 We should change to fern with black and blue. Think 0:08:15.853 --> 0:08:18.533 the context was that be that stage JK was not 0:08:18.653 --> 0:08:21.173 popular and it was more finger to him. I thought 0:08:21.213 --> 0:08:25.133 John Key was very popular then, wasn't he. I mean 0:08:25.173 --> 0:08:27.533 the probably criticism of John Key is that he did 0:08:27.573 --> 0:08:37.853 not use his political capital to create greater change in society. 0:08:38.013 --> 0:08:40.173 Because the flag things seem quite miniscual. He didn't manage 0:08:40.213 --> 0:08:43.333 to get that over the line anyway, Marcus and his 0:08:43.373 --> 0:08:45.573 in flag is great how it is, leave it alone. 0:08:46.253 --> 0:08:49.653 Would love to change the anthem though, chairs Gill. So 0:08:49.653 --> 0:08:51.173 I'm just asking you not about the anthem because it 0:08:51.173 --> 0:08:53.893 would be a trojan horse type thing, but are you 0:08:53.893 --> 0:08:56.373 happy with the flag? It's been ten years. I'd never 0:08:56.373 --> 0:08:58.653 thought about it till today. I thought, hang about it's 0:08:58.733 --> 0:09:02.573 been ten years. Should we give this one another go? 0:09:02.693 --> 0:09:08.213 To change someone? So I could literally run the idea 0:09:08.293 --> 0:09:12.573 up the flagpole and I might be doing that. So, yeah, 0:09:12.573 --> 0:09:13.973 give us a call. What do you think? Is it 0:09:14.053 --> 0:09:16.013 something that now you're thinking about it, you've got appetite 0:09:16.013 --> 0:09:17.973 to give another go, or you're sick to tired of it, 0:09:18.973 --> 0:09:22.773 sick and tired, sick and tired looking forward to your opinion. 0:09:22.973 --> 0:09:32.093 Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine text. By the way, 0:09:32.973 --> 0:09:35.453 just so I can tell you, the nationwide test of 0:09:35.533 --> 0:09:39.573 the emergency mobile alert system is back on. It's going 0:09:39.573 --> 0:09:42.893 to be twenty fifth of May between six and seven pm. 0:09:43.973 --> 0:09:45.373 That's good. At least it's not doing it during the 0:09:45.453 --> 0:09:48.653 chase there would get people upset. But you're looking forward 0:09:48.653 --> 0:09:51.613 to your calls on the flag. It's almost like nostalgia 0:09:51.693 --> 0:09:53.733 talk about going to the topics of old Brian will 0:09:53.813 --> 0:09:55.853 kick off with you. Good evening, it's Marcus, welcome. 0:09:56.773 --> 0:09:57.453 Hey Marcus. 0:09:57.533 --> 0:10:01.093 I look, it's funny that the flag things always niggled 0:10:01.133 --> 0:10:06.893 me a bit, but I really feel that we need 0:10:06.933 --> 0:10:11.493 a flag that actually is clearly and definitively New Zealand. 0:10:12.253 --> 0:10:15.013 And as much as I love the old you know, 0:10:16.173 --> 0:10:17.933 r S a sort of slurting flag and all the 0:10:17.933 --> 0:10:21.413 rest of it, I think our flag just just just 0:10:21.773 --> 0:10:23.613 disappears into the wilderness, to be honest. 0:10:24.133 --> 0:10:28.213 So you think you think there is a I'll come 0:10:28.253 --> 0:10:29.453 back to what you say, you think there is an 0:10:29.813 --> 0:10:33.373 appetite for change, Well, a lot of. 0:10:33.293 --> 0:10:35.973 People I talk to say that. I mean, you know, 0:10:36.213 --> 0:10:38.973 we don't we obviously not something you talk about every day, 0:10:39.013 --> 0:10:41.973 but every now and then it comes up and and 0:10:41.973 --> 0:10:43.933 and yeah, a lot of people I talked to you say, well, 0:10:44.013 --> 0:10:47.253 you know that is that our flag is the Australian 0:10:47.293 --> 0:10:49.653 flag for a start, because that I can hardly get 0:10:49.613 --> 0:10:52.973 the difference, and the other colors, the colors and the 0:10:53.133 --> 0:10:57.733 sort of formula of the flags are quite quite you know, 0:10:57.773 --> 0:11:01.853 throughout the old Commonwealth. Now they're still they're still I 0:11:01.893 --> 0:11:04.093 can't I couldn't even tell you how our flag looked 0:11:04.213 --> 0:11:06.053 to be honest, I couldn't even actually I've got a 0:11:06.133 --> 0:11:11.173 rough but but you know, we need something that actually 0:11:11.213 --> 0:11:16.333 clearly defines New Zealand. I'm not saying silber feeling like 0:11:16.413 --> 0:11:19.653 the or blecks or whatever, but but there's got to 0:11:19.653 --> 0:11:21.773 be some sort of combination of all the things that 0:11:21.893 --> 0:11:25.053 define us, you know. And I don't have any problem 0:11:25.053 --> 0:11:26.173 with changing it at all, to be. 0:11:26.133 --> 0:11:29.533 Honest, Okay, really fair opinion, Brian, thank you for that. 0:11:30.293 --> 0:11:32.733 The great example, of course Canada and Japan. I think 0:11:32.733 --> 0:11:35.413 Canada that's quite quickly. Japan I'm not so sure about, 0:11:35.413 --> 0:11:41.253 but great both great flags, striking, striking, red and white 0:11:41.253 --> 0:11:45.213 of course too. Aaron Marcus, welcome, Oh good a mate, 0:11:45.213 --> 0:11:48.133 how are you? Yeah? Good things, mate, good good. 0:11:48.773 --> 0:11:48.973 Yeah. 0:11:49.013 --> 0:11:50.053 I'm just about the flags. 0:11:50.213 --> 0:11:53.133 I'm not quite sure if we shall expend some energy 0:11:53.253 --> 0:11:58.093 on this canding of the flag stuff. I just think 0:11:58.133 --> 0:12:03.533 we've had the flag for so long now, and I'm 0:12:03.533 --> 0:12:04.893 trying to former out one I was going to say, 0:12:04.973 --> 0:12:08.773 but we've always looked here, We've always looked under the flag, 0:12:09.533 --> 0:12:11.893 and it doesn't really matter how we identify as or 0:12:11.893 --> 0:12:16.613 who we are. It's just our flag and that's how 0:12:16.653 --> 0:12:20.053 we should always sort of well, well I think how 0:12:20.133 --> 0:12:21.453 I think we should always live under it. 0:12:21.933 --> 0:12:24.293 So do you think when we had the referendum? Now 0:12:24.333 --> 0:12:28.453 then people have become more committed to the old flag 0:12:28.493 --> 0:12:30.573 because they voted for it and they fail. Okay, that's 0:12:30.573 --> 0:12:33.053 that we've had our chance. Actually, this flag's pretty good. 0:12:33.133 --> 0:12:35.293 Is that you reckon what people kind of came into 0:12:35.293 --> 0:12:36.653 that whole process thinking. 0:12:37.733 --> 0:12:42.973 Well, I sort of think that. Well, to be honest, 0:12:43.973 --> 0:12:44.373 it doesn't. 0:12:44.973 --> 0:12:46.893 It doesn't spin my wheels. But none of the new 0:12:46.933 --> 0:12:47.853 designs did either. 0:12:49.213 --> 0:12:51.733 No, No, none of the new designs did either. But 0:12:52.293 --> 0:12:54.293 if you're going to make a flag or build a 0:12:54.293 --> 0:12:57.493 new flag for New Zealand, I don't think there's anything 0:12:57.493 --> 0:12:59.293 better than what we've got to be asked with. 0:12:59.253 --> 0:13:04.773 You, okay, because a lot of those a lot of 0:13:04.773 --> 0:13:06.653 the people that for the Commonwealth had the Union and 0:13:06.653 --> 0:13:08.333 they got rid of Union Jackson got their own flag. 0:13:08.373 --> 0:13:12.293 As they became independent and kind of fought their own 0:13:12.333 --> 0:13:14.853 way in the world, they ditched it. You know, it's 0:13:14.893 --> 0:13:16.533 sort of sort of growing up. I think that's sort 0:13:16.573 --> 0:13:17.373 of what people said. 0:13:18.613 --> 0:13:21.293 Yeah, I get that kind of sentiment, and I don't 0:13:21.333 --> 0:13:25.173 understand that, but yeah, I mean again, integrate a new 0:13:25.173 --> 0:13:27.493 flag like that red flag thing was awful? 0:13:27.813 --> 0:13:28.253 Which one? 0:13:28.293 --> 0:13:31.413 But yeah, what was it called Mountain Peak? 0:13:31.893 --> 0:13:35.253 Oh yeah, No, John Key didn't do that one. Red Peak. 0:13:35.573 --> 0:13:38.173 Red Peak was a late bolter. And then he just said, 0:13:38.213 --> 0:13:40.693 which I thought was quite fair. Let's put that in 0:13:40.773 --> 0:13:42.533 as well. 0:13:43.053 --> 0:13:45.613 Oh okay, there was four of them. 0:13:45.653 --> 0:13:48.013 There was four of them, most designed by the same guy. 0:13:48.053 --> 0:13:55.293 That involved a union diagonal silver fear on the diagonal, right. 0:13:55.613 --> 0:13:58.973 I just think debating the flag now is pretty sort 0:13:59.013 --> 0:14:02.613 of I don't know, it's superfluous considered what we've got 0:14:02.653 --> 0:14:04.333 to do with a country. 0:14:04.853 --> 0:14:07.653 Although I think you can country is a country. You 0:14:07.653 --> 0:14:09.213 can deal with more than one thing at once. 0:14:10.773 --> 0:14:13.373 Well, we think at what we've got going on at 0:14:13.373 --> 0:14:15.653 the moment, and there's a lot more things to worry about. 0:14:15.693 --> 0:14:17.053 The design about it. 0:14:17.053 --> 0:14:21.653 You can said about anything. I know, I get that, 0:14:21.693 --> 0:14:23.493 and I see they've done that in South and with 0:14:23.653 --> 0:14:27.613 the with the right Yeah, no, yeah, okay, I'm trying 0:14:27.613 --> 0:14:32.413 to remain neutral on this. Adrian Marcus, welcome, Hey there. 0:14:32.493 --> 0:14:34.813 How are you good to hear from you? Adrian Dances 0:14:34.813 --> 0:14:36.213 You're on. I got a busy life going on. 0:14:36.253 --> 0:14:39.773 What are you doing, just picking up some dinner? 0:14:39.933 --> 0:14:42.253 Oh good, go yeah, what is it for? Young? 0:14:44.013 --> 0:14:44.373 Close? 0:14:44.573 --> 0:14:45.013 Very close? 0:14:45.093 --> 0:14:48.133 Good guess lame drass mate? 0:14:49.093 --> 0:14:51.813 What's what's the first word? 0:14:52.573 --> 0:14:54.853 Lamber drass mate? 0:14:54.573 --> 0:14:59.253 See lamb okay, lamb you know lamb madrass? 0:14:59.453 --> 0:15:00.573 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:15:01.093 --> 0:15:04.333 You can get like you're creamier versions like lamb coorma, 0:15:04.373 --> 0:15:07.093 but lamb madrass is more coconut, a bit more heat. 0:15:07.493 --> 0:15:07.653 See. 0:15:07.693 --> 0:15:10.093 Look, look how internationally we are as a country. Now. 0:15:10.133 --> 0:15:11.653 We're still with the Union jack on the flag. You 0:15:11.693 --> 0:15:13.613 with your lamb address and the flag still with the 0:15:13.693 --> 0:15:14.253 Union jack. 0:15:16.253 --> 0:15:16.693 Yeah. 0:15:16.773 --> 0:15:20.693 Well actually so so I'll hit the ball. I'll get 0:15:20.693 --> 0:15:21.373 the ball rolling. 0:15:21.413 --> 0:15:21.893 Eh. 0:15:22.293 --> 0:15:24.053 So a couple of points. I wanted to mention because 0:15:24.053 --> 0:15:26.333 I can go back to my thoughts on what that 0:15:26.573 --> 0:15:29.533 other guy said about how important it is and stuff 0:15:29.573 --> 0:15:31.293 like that. But I'll come back around to that, Okase. 0:15:31.373 --> 0:15:34.933 I'll start with with the I just thought it caught 0:15:34.933 --> 0:15:36.693 my attention to thought, oh why did we do that 0:15:36.733 --> 0:15:38.653 in the first plason? I remember I read a book 0:15:38.693 --> 0:15:41.733 called Into the Jaws of the Dragon by Ron Asher. 0:15:41.773 --> 0:15:43.493 I don't know if you've ever heard about it, heard 0:15:43.533 --> 0:15:45.693 of it. It talked a lot about the expansion of 0:15:45.733 --> 0:15:49.013 the Chinese into the into the into the fishing, into 0:15:49.013 --> 0:15:51.693 the Pacific and things like that. And I noticed, I 0:15:51.733 --> 0:15:54.973 remembered in that book there was a section about don't 0:15:55.053 --> 0:15:56.853 quote me on which guy it was, but it was 0:15:56.933 --> 0:16:02.293 like either the Consulate of the Chinese, whatever you call 0:16:02.333 --> 0:16:06.213 it China, or some other trade minister or something like that. 0:16:06.453 --> 0:16:08.893 John Key had a meeting with and they invested a 0:16:09.173 --> 0:16:14.333 very large amount of money into into funding the flag referendum. 0:16:14.453 --> 0:16:16.773 Oh, I don't think that's I don't think that's true, Adrian. 0:16:18.413 --> 0:16:20.333 Oh, well, it was in the book and they had 0:16:20.413 --> 0:16:24.653 something some photos of it, and but the giveaway was 0:16:24.693 --> 0:16:27.093 how much they invested into it. So the fact that 0:16:27.093 --> 0:16:30.333 they invested so much into the referendum meant that everybody 0:16:30.373 --> 0:16:32.173 had to go through that and D D D. 0:16:33.213 --> 0:16:35.533 I think it was very clear that money that the government, 0:16:35.613 --> 0:16:37.453 the money came from the I mean, he was a 0:16:37.453 --> 0:16:40.093 prime minister. It was it was government money that funded 0:16:40.093 --> 0:16:44.693 the referendum. There's no doubt about that. But anyway, just yeah, 0:16:44.733 --> 0:16:46.373 well it's a good call because it just shows how 0:16:46.373 --> 0:16:51.093 contiporori the whole thing was. But you appreciate that. Into 0:16:51.093 --> 0:16:53.493 the jewels in the Jaws of the Dragons the book, guys, 0:16:53.493 --> 0:16:56.333 not what I've read. He's done on stock at page 0:16:56.333 --> 0:16:59.893 black while looking at Google, Steve Marcus, welcome. 0:17:00.973 --> 0:17:05.053 Hey Marcus. I'm just on the play thing. I drove 0:17:05.093 --> 0:17:09.253 for a trucking company and I turned up for work 0:17:09.333 --> 0:17:10.653 and here they were sticking. 0:17:11.653 --> 0:17:14.173 Was it a blue and black there was the favorite? 0:17:14.613 --> 0:17:17.093 Yeah, I think so blue. Yeah, yes, yeah, I. 0:17:18.453 --> 0:17:19.813 Half blue and half black. 0:17:20.413 --> 0:17:20.893 Yeah. 0:17:20.933 --> 0:17:23.453 Well here they here, they were sticking on the back 0:17:23.493 --> 0:17:27.533 of my trailer. And there's a stick you know, it's 0:17:27.573 --> 0:17:30.973 a sticker and the mountain of abuse. So I got 0:17:30.973 --> 0:17:35.293 from people driving up and down the road. Oh yeah, 0:17:35.493 --> 0:17:38.293 I'm getting the fingers, people yelling in the out of 0:17:38.293 --> 0:17:39.653 the window because they didn't like it. 0:17:40.213 --> 0:17:42.813 A lot of people didn't like. 0:17:42.293 --> 0:17:48.653 Their I hit it on there for three months on 0:17:48.693 --> 0:17:49.453 the back of the truck. 0:17:50.973 --> 0:17:53.493 Yeah, I think the four, the four, the four ones. 0:17:53.613 --> 0:17:56.013 Was there a black and white codrou just you know, 0:17:56.093 --> 0:17:57.853 one side white, one side black with the collar. The 0:17:57.853 --> 0:17:59.493 one was just black and white with the four in 0:17:59.493 --> 0:18:01.933 the whole way. So three of them are pretty much 0:18:01.933 --> 0:18:04.453 the same, with the furn going on the diagonal one 0:18:04.493 --> 0:18:06.493 with black and blue and black. 0:18:06.213 --> 0:18:11.053 And yeah, yeah, I know half of it was much 0:18:11.093 --> 0:18:13.573 a light blue issue. You might have been white actually, 0:18:14.133 --> 0:18:16.053 but yeah, I didn't like it. 0:18:16.413 --> 0:18:18.813 It's interesting that the punters didn't like it, Stephen, they're 0:18:18.813 --> 0:18:22.253 tooting at you. I'm looking at the Wikipedia page about 0:18:22.253 --> 0:18:24.733 the flag referendums. I think most people were found the 0:18:24.773 --> 0:18:31.053 whole thing extremely confusing. The first referendum took place twentieth 0:18:31.053 --> 0:18:33.893 November eleventh December. If New Zealand flag changes, which flag 0:18:33.893 --> 0:18:37.293 would you prefer? Voters were presented with several options selected 0:18:37.373 --> 0:18:40.933 by the Flag Consideration Panel. The black, white and blue 0:18:40.973 --> 0:18:49.493 silver fern flag by Kyle Lockwood advanced to the second referendum. 0:18:49.533 --> 0:18:51.493 The second referendum took place between the third and the 0:18:51.493 --> 0:18:53.093 twenty fourth of March. At aspos it should been the 0:18:53.133 --> 0:18:54.933 sleek little turn of the black, white and blue silver 0:18:54.973 --> 0:19:00.013 flag and the existing New Zealand flag. So yeah, that's 0:19:00.053 --> 0:19:04.893 a situation. But even the Wikipedia page is confusing. Good evening, 0:19:04.893 --> 0:19:06.613 Glennet's Marcus, welcome. 0:19:06.853 --> 0:19:09.893 Good evening. Yeah, I've been an advocate of changing the 0:19:09.933 --> 0:19:12.613 flag for some time because I feel that we are 0:19:12.653 --> 0:19:15.693 a sovereign nation in the South Pacific and we need 0:19:15.733 --> 0:19:19.413 something that I clearly identified as New Zealand. Al tier. 0:19:19.813 --> 0:19:23.013 I'll call it what you like, um, and I think 0:19:23.053 --> 0:19:25.573 it's time to sack the jack. New Zealand has been 0:19:25.573 --> 0:19:28.213 an independent nation cease being at the William of the 0:19:29.053 --> 0:19:33.773 British Empire over seventy years ago, and it is time really, 0:19:34.493 --> 0:19:37.573 So I don't really show any tritem in New Zealand flavor. 0:19:38.373 --> 0:19:40.493 So just look. I mean, I like the expression to 0:19:40.533 --> 0:19:44.573 sack the jack. Have you moved on since the referenum 0:19:44.613 --> 0:19:46.533 ten years ago? Or did you have these feelings ten 0:19:46.613 --> 0:19:47.053 years ago? 0:19:47.373 --> 0:19:50.133 Or have you just yeah, I've had those feelings about 0:19:50.173 --> 0:19:52.333 for about twenty years or so. I haven't traveled a fair. 0:19:52.253 --> 0:19:56.053 But okay, so were you happy? So were you happy 0:19:56.093 --> 0:19:58.053 with the process or did that drive You're mad that 0:19:58.053 --> 0:20:00.013 they wasted that opportunity. 0:19:59.613 --> 0:20:02.853 With such Yeah, I could see how the process confused 0:20:02.933 --> 0:20:07.973 people and infuriated people. I quite like did like the 0:20:07.693 --> 0:20:11.933 the sort of term the Lockwood design flag. Although if 0:20:11.933 --> 0:20:13.333 we do it again, I think it would be great 0:20:13.333 --> 0:20:18.733 to have big mixologists in a national a national competition 0:20:18.773 --> 0:20:20.773 perhaps to see who could have created well. 0:20:20.773 --> 0:20:23.053 I think we needed good designers because it seemed to 0:20:23.093 --> 0:20:25.613 me to actually put your things and you just had 0:20:25.653 --> 0:20:28.293 to go to clunky software, which meant that all of 0:20:28.333 --> 0:20:32.173 them kind of looked the same. Yeah, and I think 0:20:32.173 --> 0:20:33.733 it should have been a so it should have been 0:20:33.733 --> 0:20:36.613 an online exercise. It should have actually required design. Maybe 0:20:36.653 --> 0:20:38.653 you need to pay designers big dollars to come up 0:20:38.693 --> 0:20:41.973 with something really good rather than hobbyists coming up with 0:20:42.013 --> 0:20:44.613 something that looks like packaging. 0:20:44.773 --> 0:20:47.133 Yeah, but it would have to reflect the fact that 0:20:47.333 --> 0:20:49.613 the fact that we're a sovereign nation in the South Pacific. 0:20:50.253 --> 0:20:50.573 Yeah. 0:20:50.773 --> 0:20:53.533 Sometimes what you know, when you say sovereign nation, what 0:20:53.533 --> 0:20:54.293 do you mean by that? 0:20:55.173 --> 0:20:57.933 A nation that is an independent nation where where we're 0:20:57.973 --> 0:21:02.173 not part of the British Empire or colonized by the British. Obviously, 0:21:04.773 --> 0:21:07.253 we are an independent nation in the South specific. 0:21:08.053 --> 0:21:12.333 So the government, the government has supreme authority. Yeah, okay, 0:21:12.333 --> 0:21:12.813 fair enough. 0:21:12.933 --> 0:21:15.613 Yeah, I mean even though we are a common rough nation, 0:21:15.853 --> 0:21:19.533 many other commons not rough nations, have changed their flags 0:21:19.653 --> 0:21:23.053 or individu nations. I know the older generation will have 0:21:23.133 --> 0:21:26.093 strong ties to Britain, perhaps the appearance of British or 0:21:26.133 --> 0:21:30.333 what have you, But I think future generations won't have 0:21:30.373 --> 0:21:33.933 so much about of the bond to the UK. 0:21:35.053 --> 0:21:36.813 Yeah, I find what you're saying quite interesting. I'm just 0:21:36.853 --> 0:21:40.893 wondering though, after that, after after we kind of lead 0:21:40.933 --> 0:21:43.013 all that hot air out ten years ago, that maybe 0:21:43.053 --> 0:21:46.733 people aren't as committed to change as they went through 0:21:46.773 --> 0:21:49.813 and just think, oh, well, you know, we tried, we failed, 0:21:49.853 --> 0:21:51.773 let's just relax about it. But you seem as that 0:21:51.853 --> 0:21:52.933 you're still quite passionate. 0:21:53.733 --> 0:21:57.013 I'm quite passionate. Although it's not high on the sapriiti, 0:21:58.173 --> 0:22:01.133 I'm still quite passionate. I'm still welcome to change. 0:22:01.893 --> 0:22:05.053 Because I thought what would happen is that someone would 0:22:05.093 --> 0:22:08.013 design a fantastic fleat that would just start seeing it 0:22:08.053 --> 0:22:11.733 more and more and that would be adept adopted. I 0:22:11.733 --> 0:22:14.933 haven't seen that happen so much, obviously. 0:22:14.933 --> 0:22:19.293 Wondered, Yeah, just at the time John Key was in 0:22:19.293 --> 0:22:23.253 twenty sixteen he resigned from the Prime ministership. I just 0:22:23.333 --> 0:22:26.213 wonder at that stage where the people had had enough 0:22:26.213 --> 0:22:29.773 of John Key, whether it was a the result was 0:22:30.133 --> 0:22:32.493 perhaps the big finger to John Key. They saw it 0:22:32.533 --> 0:22:35.333 more of the sales or marketing exercise there might have 0:22:35.373 --> 0:22:36.973 been that might have been part of it as well. 0:22:37.213 --> 0:22:38.773 I think he would have got back in, wouldn't he. 0:22:40.013 --> 0:22:42.853 I don't know. Well, he did resign at the end 0:22:42.893 --> 0:22:44.813 of twenty sixteen from men. 0:22:45.333 --> 0:22:47.333 And I think per English, you know, if he'd run 0:22:47.333 --> 0:22:49.533 a decent camp, you know, he was assuring to get 0:22:49.533 --> 0:22:51.693 back in, but it just wasn't quite Yeah, okay, well, 0:22:51.813 --> 0:22:56.213 of course remember that peril English. Winston went with the 0:22:56.293 --> 0:22:59.493 Labor government. That was that's right, a minority. They'd pold 0:22:59.573 --> 0:23:04.053 less than national anyway, So yeah, and that was about 0:23:04.333 --> 0:23:06.413 who knows why Winston what Winston did, But yeah, I 0:23:06.413 --> 0:23:08.293 think probably he would have got on that fourth term, 0:23:08.813 --> 0:23:10.773 although probably would have said he wouldn't work with Winston. 0:23:10.893 --> 0:23:13.893 Is that right? Anyway, I'm enjoying the discussion, like talk 0:23:13.933 --> 0:23:16.973 back Nostalgia Evening, Martin, This is Marcus. 0:23:16.973 --> 0:23:19.213 Welcome, Hello Marcus. 0:23:20.173 --> 0:23:24.053 Yeah, I'm as swimming about the flagg Refferendom. I mean 0:23:24.253 --> 0:23:27.293 when it came up, all the designs that came out, 0:23:27.333 --> 0:23:32.053 I didn't really fency any of them. I really like 0:23:32.133 --> 0:23:35.253 to say we've got but I think the only difference 0:23:35.293 --> 0:23:38.533 we could probably do to it is either put a 0:23:38.653 --> 0:23:42.533 Kiwi on it or the corow to make it, you know, 0:23:43.213 --> 0:23:51.013 New Zealand and Mary well Paquira Mary or English Mary. Yeah. 0:23:51.133 --> 0:23:55.013 Yeah, I sometimes I'm just thinking of flags that have 0:23:57.253 --> 0:23:59.813 flags with the Union. Jack and something else I reckon 0:23:59.853 --> 0:24:01.293 they always look a bit bitsy. 0:24:02.573 --> 0:24:05.813 Yeah, I mean, as I said, yeah, I'm very happy 0:24:05.933 --> 0:24:08.613 for I mean one of the main regions that Grismine 0:24:08.733 --> 0:24:12.413 game position. People get confused for the new zoom fag 0:24:12.493 --> 0:24:15.933 and you show you played, Yes, yeah, you're showing flags 0:24:16.013 --> 0:24:19.293 union jack and six stars where the union jack and 0:24:19.373 --> 0:24:20.973 five ridge stars. 0:24:21.333 --> 0:24:26.613 Yes, just look at all the flags that got the 0:24:26.653 --> 0:24:35.413 ones that still include the union jack. Yeah. This is 0:24:35.413 --> 0:24:37.933 the Hawaii I think it's the Hawaiian flag. 0:24:38.853 --> 0:24:41.053 Hawaii straight, yeah, Hawaii. 0:24:41.173 --> 0:24:45.973 Yeah, Falkland, Falklands. The Cook Islands kind of has a 0:24:46.013 --> 0:24:46.973 flag and a crest that. 0:24:46.973 --> 0:24:48.613 Looks like the Fijis got his. 0:24:50.453 --> 0:24:53.413 Fiji. Yes, Fiji's got the crest and the union jack, 0:24:53.413 --> 0:24:58.413 which looks a bit clunky to me, so does the 0:24:58.453 --> 0:25:02.093 Newaiian one. Is just it's interesting union jacks has got stars. 0:25:02.133 --> 0:25:05.613 That's actually quite good, the Newaiian one, the island. But 0:25:05.653 --> 0:25:08.773 they all the sort of countries that are tex havens, 0:25:08.813 --> 0:25:11.213 like the can and that year. 0:25:11.613 --> 0:25:11.813 Yeah. 0:25:14.853 --> 0:25:17.013 Yeah, that's that's that is my viewing. 0:25:17.093 --> 0:25:20.133 I mean, yeah, that's good, and I didn't. 0:25:19.893 --> 0:25:23.453 Really like any of them. The only thing that can 0:25:23.573 --> 0:25:25.933 make it so that the Marora's not, but you know, 0:25:26.533 --> 0:25:28.973 the natives of new generally be heavy would be put 0:25:29.173 --> 0:25:32.653 a kiwi or the coral leaf on it, or or 0:25:32.693 --> 0:25:36.253 even the silver fin, just to make it stand out. 0:25:37.293 --> 0:25:40.653 Interesting. In the Wikipedia page, it's got the the way 0:25:40.693 --> 0:25:48.413 people voted and according to I'll just see where the 0:25:48.413 --> 0:26:00.013 there are details. Yeah, so it's a very confusing. So 0:26:00.053 --> 0:26:01.933 I tried to say something didn't really come out, but 0:26:02.213 --> 0:26:06.293 there is. You can see according to whether the moldiest 0:26:06.373 --> 0:26:11.293 seats or other seats, how people voted on the flag referendum. 0:26:11.653 --> 0:26:16.933 But it's quite confusing. But I think looking at it, 0:26:17.253 --> 0:26:21.773 Muori traditionally voted for the flag that we've got rather 0:26:21.813 --> 0:26:23.893 than the new one, so they were quite conservative with 0:26:23.933 --> 0:26:26.453 the choice. That's my understanding from the diagrams i'm looking at. 0:26:27.493 --> 0:26:30.413 I hope I'm not wrong about that. I've asked GPT 0:26:30.573 --> 0:26:32.893 to design a flag and it's terrible. It's just a 0:26:32.933 --> 0:26:35.493 fern and three it was even three stars. Say we're 0:26:35.493 --> 0:26:37.213 going to ask a design a bit of flag without 0:26:37.653 --> 0:26:41.493 without a fern and stars and actually say we're about 0:26:41.493 --> 0:26:46.333 to just actually unplug you. Good evening, Josh, it's Marcus welcome. 0:26:47.693 --> 0:26:49.653 Yeah, Hey, Marcus. Good evening. 0:26:50.013 --> 0:26:53.053 Good evening here those flags. 0:26:53.173 --> 0:26:56.533 Yeah, what a time there was. Hey look I reckon, 0:26:56.973 --> 0:27:02.453 I reckon, but hey, I reckon. One of the coolest 0:27:02.493 --> 0:27:04.973 things that came out of that was that labe the key. 0:27:04.813 --> 0:27:07.013 We loved it. 0:27:08.133 --> 0:27:11.893 Did you hear the story behind that? The kid explained today. 0:27:11.933 --> 0:27:14.013 I think it was eight year old, and he explained 0:27:14.053 --> 0:27:16.013 it along the line. So he said, the key We 0:27:16.213 --> 0:27:19.893 doesn't want a new flag. So he's developed laser out 0:27:19.893 --> 0:27:22.213 of his eyeballs and he's shooting. 0:27:21.973 --> 0:27:25.973 At the bottom of the new flag. So when he's 0:27:26.133 --> 0:27:28.173 sort of aiming down there, and that's sort of what 0:27:28.213 --> 0:27:31.813 it represents that he he didn't want any new flag 0:27:31.933 --> 0:27:34.893 kind of thing. I thought that was hilarious. So I 0:27:35.053 --> 0:27:38.293 just it wasn't an option obviously because it. 0:27:38.253 --> 0:27:42.533 Was a bit too inventive. 0:27:42.133 --> 0:27:45.453 But hey, I got to say to you, Josh, and 0:27:45.493 --> 0:27:51.173 this is important. It was designed by a woman, Lucy Gray. 0:27:52.933 --> 0:27:53.293 Oh. 0:27:53.493 --> 0:27:55.093 I don't know if it was a girl or an adult, 0:27:55.093 --> 0:27:58.053 but that's what it says on Wikipedia. The laser key 0:27:58.093 --> 0:28:01.053 We flag, originally titled Fire the Laser, was designed in 0:28:01.093 --> 0:28:06.333 twenty fifteen by Lucy Gray. She produced the design during 0:28:06.373 --> 0:28:08.853 an evening inspired by the many Dearly Animals in Australia 0:28:08.933 --> 0:28:11.333 took a key wei icon and turned it into a 0:28:11.373 --> 0:28:14.813 dearly animal. She stated she was uninspired by the designs 0:28:15.213 --> 0:28:18.773 is they didn't derive much meaning for her. 0:28:20.213 --> 0:28:22.813 Okay, it doesn't say age or anything. 0:28:22.973 --> 0:28:25.773 Maybe it says a character. 0:28:26.133 --> 0:28:28.333 She says, I believe my design is so powerful it 0:28:28.333 --> 0:28:29.693 does not need to be discussed. 0:28:31.093 --> 0:28:39.773 A pretty good but I you know, I voted for 0:28:40.133 --> 0:28:43.693 our just infect and the reason why I've done that 0:28:43.853 --> 0:28:46.453 is not only the other one sent her, but like, 0:28:46.613 --> 0:28:48.493 I think they were looking for perfection. 0:28:48.933 --> 0:28:51.733 They were cold and they were just just good design 0:28:51.933 --> 0:28:53.533 is good design. You can't just do it on your 0:28:53.573 --> 0:28:54.533 laptop of an evening. 0:28:56.373 --> 0:28:58.493 I do think there are two things that need to 0:28:58.493 --> 0:29:01.893 be on there and channel, and I had done my 0:29:01.933 --> 0:29:04.613 own design anyway, just for fun back then, because we're 0:29:04.613 --> 0:29:09.413 all like playing around. But the silver fern and the 0:29:09.493 --> 0:29:12.613 southern cross, I think they need to be on there. 0:29:13.173 --> 0:29:16.213 So but as the color goes, I'm not sure, Like 0:29:16.293 --> 0:29:18.933 because I was thinking, wouldn't a black flag with a 0:29:18.933 --> 0:29:22.813 white soil fern with white stars look cool? And then 0:29:22.853 --> 0:29:25.933 I thought, nah, actually I don't know sure allowed to 0:29:25.973 --> 0:29:26.813 have a black flag? 0:29:26.853 --> 0:29:27.053 Gay. 0:29:27.773 --> 0:29:30.333 I think there's a bit some rules around it. I 0:29:30.373 --> 0:29:30.733 don't know. 0:29:31.653 --> 0:29:34.253 I don't know. There are always interesting enough, and you'll 0:29:34.253 --> 0:29:38.253 find this interesting, Josh. During the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, 0:29:40.933 --> 0:29:45.053 right yes, oh like right now? Yeah, well three years ago, 0:29:45.053 --> 0:29:47.093 whatever they happened. During the Russian vasion of the Ukraine, 0:29:47.133 --> 0:29:50.253 the laser ki We flag was used as a symbol 0:29:50.293 --> 0:29:53.293 by volunteer soldiers from New Zealand. I presume they're fighting 0:29:53.293 --> 0:29:55.693 for Ukraine, so they fought under that flag. 0:29:57.293 --> 0:29:58.973 Oh wow, Hey, that's interesting. 0:29:59.373 --> 0:30:01.973 That's pretty powerful. We have gone to check GPT for 0:30:02.013 --> 0:30:02.613 another flag. 0:30:02.733 --> 0:30:02.893 Dad. 0:30:02.973 --> 0:30:06.733 It's not even a flag shape, is it? Could you 0:30:06.733 --> 0:30:10.533 asking to be? Because I quite like it, I say, 0:30:10.533 --> 0:30:13.853 would you make it a flag shape? Idiots? Tell them 0:30:13.853 --> 0:30:17.733 where I'm well, I don't mind a flag with orange, 0:30:17.733 --> 0:30:19.453 I mean where they think orange was good at because 0:30:19.493 --> 0:30:23.693 they get and then ask them to explain it. Idiots, 0:30:23.733 --> 0:30:25.733 it's not tell them it's not idiot hour. By the way, 0:30:27.213 --> 0:30:30.333 maybe it might be ten away from nine. Enjoying the 0:30:30.333 --> 0:30:33.413 discussion even and enjoying more. What chet GPT comes up with. 0:30:33.573 --> 0:30:41.773 What the rubbish they're throwing our way? No, that one's terrible. 0:30:41.973 --> 0:30:43.613 If they come up with anything else, it's they've sent 0:30:43.693 --> 0:30:46.733 us a square flag. So I put them on notice 0:30:46.773 --> 0:30:48.653 and said, no one in the world's got a square flag, 0:30:49.533 --> 0:30:51.173 and we're not about to become the flag bearers for 0:30:51.213 --> 0:30:55.573 a flat would we laughed out of the Olympics. We're 0:30:55.573 --> 0:30:58.693 getting in two by one version now, Margaret, it's Marcus. 0:30:58.693 --> 0:31:00.373 Thanks for joining this important discussion. 0:31:00.453 --> 0:31:03.253 Welcome, hello Marcus. 0:31:03.693 --> 0:31:04.853 No, my. 0:31:06.813 --> 0:31:09.933 As far as the flag's concerned, as long as we're 0:31:09.973 --> 0:31:16.213 a member of the Commonwealth, I don't know that technically 0:31:16.533 --> 0:31:20.453 we're in a position to change the flag, but if 0:31:20.493 --> 0:31:23.413 we became a republic, we'd have to have a new 0:31:23.493 --> 0:31:25.093 flag anyway. 0:31:26.413 --> 0:31:28.093 I think there's a lot of countries in the Commonwealth 0:31:28.133 --> 0:31:30.493 that don't have the Union jack, like Canada and stuff. 0:31:32.333 --> 0:31:36.893 No, but we have at the moment of a British 0:31:36.933 --> 0:31:43.413 connection on our flag. Yes, and so that it gets 0:31:43.573 --> 0:31:49.573 quite complicated. Plus from the government point of view, anything 0:31:50.053 --> 0:31:54.893 official papers and that have the flag on it all 0:31:55.013 --> 0:31:58.653 has to be changed, yes, and the cost is phenomenal. 0:31:59.213 --> 0:32:00.293 Well, it's not a problem. 0:32:01.293 --> 0:32:08.013 And I think that if you look up Wikipedia, there's 0:32:08.053 --> 0:32:13.933 a key there and if my recollection's correct, he was 0:32:13.973 --> 0:32:18.893 the one that designed the stars and stripes and I 0:32:19.053 --> 0:32:22.493 think that John Key was on an ego trip. 0:32:22.893 --> 0:32:28.973 Sorrytival, hang the moment you've broken bad what we're saying 0:32:29.013 --> 0:32:30.373 about the stars and stripes. 0:32:31.933 --> 0:32:35.693 There was a person with a surname of Key K 0:32:36.013 --> 0:32:40.893 e Y and that would be an ego trip for 0:32:41.053 --> 0:32:46.213 John Key at that particular time, because I found it 0:32:46.413 --> 0:32:51.973 very difficult that he was not prepared to be supportive 0:32:52.253 --> 0:32:56.573 of Pike River. But at the same time, all that 0:32:56.813 --> 0:33:01.213 money was spent on the flag issue that went nowhere. 0:33:02.053 --> 0:33:04.533 Well, he didn't intend it to go no where. He 0:33:04.613 --> 0:33:07.613 intended to have a referenced them. It was for the people, 0:33:07.613 --> 0:33:09.293 if you did, them to choose what they wanted to do. 0:33:10.573 --> 0:33:13.933 I actually think it was an ego trip for him 0:33:13.973 --> 0:33:15.973 to get into the history books. 0:33:16.413 --> 0:33:19.453 Okay, well, I mean, what's prime minister. It's a pretty 0:33:19.453 --> 0:33:23.813 important position. And if you I mean the prisoner of 0:33:23.853 --> 0:33:26.053 John Key was he didn't change enough things, didn't mix 0:33:26.053 --> 0:33:28.893 it up enough. At least he had to go with 0:33:28.973 --> 0:33:35.493 the flag. What's that? We've got the new Ratio flag 0:33:35.533 --> 0:33:40.693 from jet G P t I AI. I check it 0:33:40.773 --> 0:33:42.253 up on check it up on Facebook and ask what 0:33:42.253 --> 0:33:47.253 people think I mean could do that? Do they say? 0:33:47.253 --> 0:33:56.053 Why would they say? What it means ah was I say, 0:33:56.053 --> 0:34:03.733 the orange means honestly, stand down. That's why orange orange 0:34:03.733 --> 0:34:07.893 represents dawn and warmth. If you're living on tetu Win, 0:34:13.053 --> 0:34:16.973 good evening, Peter, it's Marcus welcome A yeah, the Marcus. 0:34:17.053 --> 0:34:20.253 If you actually study both flags of ours in Australia, 0:34:20.773 --> 0:34:22.333 they are a little bit different. So we all know 0:34:22.373 --> 0:34:25.053 we got They got six a week and we got four. 0:34:25.733 --> 0:34:28.653 But I reckon what they should we should have our 0:34:28.653 --> 0:34:30.373 prime ministers have a bit of a chap of their 0:34:30.373 --> 0:34:33.573 prime minister over there and say you change your Union 0:34:33.693 --> 0:34:36.893 jet to white and we'll keep the red and we'll 0:34:36.893 --> 0:34:39.573 have it still keep our white stars. And they change 0:34:39.573 --> 0:34:41.773 all these, change all these to white. 0:34:42.533 --> 0:34:44.173 But if you go to change, you're going to change. 0:34:44.213 --> 0:34:45.253 You may as well change properly. 0:34:45.333 --> 0:34:45.493 Mate. 0:34:45.493 --> 0:34:47.213 You may as well get something that's a bit smarter 0:34:47.613 --> 0:34:49.773 so people take notice of us around the nak Gee, 0:34:49.813 --> 0:34:53.093 what a knockout flag run that dud that we've got currently. 0:34:54.173 --> 0:34:57.573 I thought you'd be very much in favor of change, Peter. 0:34:57.613 --> 0:34:58.973 I thought you're a go get a guy. I thought 0:34:58.973 --> 0:35:00.853 you're the sort of guy that you know gets up 0:35:00.853 --> 0:35:02.533 in the morning and goes out there and changes the 0:35:02.533 --> 0:35:04.733 world for the good. I thought you'd want something striking, 0:35:05.533 --> 0:35:06.173 But you look. 0:35:06.093 --> 0:35:10.093 At the flag. The stars they have, they starts are 0:35:10.093 --> 0:35:14.533 slightly different from ours we have, like we have five points. 0:35:16.133 --> 0:35:22.093 Okay, okay, so you like what you like what we've got. 0:35:24.933 --> 0:35:27.893 In some ways, I think there should be something on 0:35:27.933 --> 0:35:30.573 the like there's some of the previous schooler said, put 0:35:30.573 --> 0:35:32.853 a kiwi in there. And I don't think. 0:35:33.413 --> 0:35:36.373 I don't think people tend to have animals on their flags. 0:35:38.293 --> 0:35:40.933 Or something. When we got to think, because our country 0:35:40.933 --> 0:35:45.733 we have two different sort of h people here, you 0:35:45.733 --> 0:35:49.173 could say, so something represents both of us, like we 0:35:49.373 --> 0:35:52.213 in you know, in the Mary side of it, in 0:35:52.293 --> 0:35:54.573 the and the and the and we side of it, 0:35:54.613 --> 0:35:57.053 and like the fucking outside of it. You know, something 0:35:57.333 --> 0:36:00.173 we have that we get a little bit on both 0:36:00.173 --> 0:36:00.933 of the flags. 0:36:01.333 --> 0:36:04.613 You look at some countries like Trinidad and Tobesque, Tabsco 0:36:06.173 --> 0:36:09.333 the just like just a red rectangle with black slash 0:36:09.373 --> 0:36:13.613 through it looks fantastic. Or Jamaica you were seeing there 0:36:13.613 --> 0:36:17.853 at the Olympics, Usain Bolt. You know it's just a 0:36:17.853 --> 0:36:20.693 a yellow cross with black and green in the corners. 0:36:20.733 --> 0:36:21.733 Looks fantastic. 0:36:23.013 --> 0:36:25.373 Yeah, it's something something a bit of a combined flag 0:36:25.413 --> 0:36:28.533 because we're thinking of both. I want it because of 0:36:28.573 --> 0:36:30.293 our country. We had that little bit of you know, 0:36:30.373 --> 0:36:32.693 they they want a bit on the of them and 0:36:32.733 --> 0:36:34.653 we want a bit of ours on there. So it's 0:36:34.693 --> 0:36:37.133 sort of like a bit more neutral, so not just 0:36:37.213 --> 0:36:38.533 all a one sided flag. 0:36:39.653 --> 0:36:41.893 Do you know any countries that have animals on their flag? 0:36:43.693 --> 0:36:47.453 Wow? Not right, they haven't studied all the flags. No, 0:36:48.053 --> 0:36:51.733 you're probably right. Yeah, But then again, our key is 0:36:51.733 --> 0:36:54.773 a symbol like in the walls or the aircraft head 0:36:54.853 --> 0:36:57.933 the sometime they see nothing bad of that. It's a 0:36:57.973 --> 0:36:59.573 symbol of the New Zealands of Kiwi Boo. 0:37:02.133 --> 0:37:04.133 I think American Samow has the eagle. 0:37:05.813 --> 0:37:08.493 Yeah, I was saying, think they got the eagle. What's the 0:37:08.493 --> 0:37:10.933 difference between symbols of the Kiwi bird? I regon it 0:37:10.973 --> 0:37:12.493 should be somewhere on the I don't think. 0:37:12.453 --> 0:37:13.853 I don't think we call it the Kiwi bird. Oh 0:37:13.893 --> 0:37:15.413 you got to call it the Kiwi bird. 0:37:15.493 --> 0:37:18.813 Yeah, okay, yep, yeah, I reckon. 0:37:18.933 --> 0:37:20.293 It's a bit of a change. But he wouldn't do 0:37:20.293 --> 0:37:24.973 any harm. 0:37:22.813 --> 0:37:25.333 The key we bird. I think the Boutan flag has 0:37:25.333 --> 0:37:26.253 a dragon. 0:37:28.373 --> 0:37:31.453 Heah or no, or maybe not it's a bit hard. 0:37:31.533 --> 0:37:33.013 You want to go too far like it may be 0:37:33.053 --> 0:37:34.733 a lizard or something on that and a bit of 0:37:34.773 --> 0:37:35.733 a key when a lizard or. 0:37:35.733 --> 0:37:40.693 Something keywien a lizard, oh no or something beau, I 0:37:40.933 --> 0:37:44.253 key in a lizard cheap asp and you're the in 0:37:44.253 --> 0:37:48.773 the famous home of the lizard normally with the lizards 0:37:48.813 --> 0:37:51.893 of people Germans. I shouldn't say that. I forget who 0:37:51.893 --> 0:37:54.653 the last guy is smuggling gecko out of the country. 0:37:54.653 --> 0:37:56.373 But they come and get them in numbers, don't they, 0:37:56.853 --> 0:38:03.653 those harlequin ones? Padam Oh, we've got an angry reaction 0:38:03.733 --> 0:38:05.573 to the flag on Facebook. We've posted the one from 0:38:05.853 --> 0:38:09.173 chat a b Sea on there and someone's furious. They're 0:38:09.213 --> 0:38:13.053 talking broadcasting, stands, authority and all sorts of things. It's 0:38:13.053 --> 0:38:19.773 got to be the worst thing I've ever seen. Get 0:38:19.773 --> 0:38:25.653 in touch yet till twelve looks terrible? Does it even 0:38:25.653 --> 0:38:30.973 still doesn't look the right proportions anyway? Oh, we've got 0:38:31.013 --> 0:38:32.733 a topic people. A lot of people have a lot 0:38:32.733 --> 0:38:37.613 of a joy about this kee wee bird. A lot 0:38:37.613 --> 0:38:39.373 of people want to put a sheep on it. Love 0:38:39.413 --> 0:38:42.133 a sheep. I like a flag shape like a sheep 0:38:42.973 --> 0:38:45.653 and have the legs against the flag pole like a cutout. 0:38:46.813 --> 0:38:49.293 Kept them talking at the Olympics, wouldn't it. Well, I've 0:38:49.373 --> 0:38:53.533 learned something tonight. Quite powerful. Oh gosh, I'm saying about 0:38:53.533 --> 0:38:58.093 pompous hey, it's faux pomposity. People still quite passionate about this. 0:38:58.133 --> 0:39:00.213 People forgot they're passion about it. But people are passionate 0:39:00.253 --> 0:39:02.733 about the flag. I just wonder what's changed in the 0:39:02.773 --> 0:39:05.973 last ten years. Are we more pasionate for change or 0:39:06.013 --> 0:39:09.533 less change? We want a new flag or do we 0:39:09.573 --> 0:39:14.773 want a key we burden a lizard? Brilliant Ross, Marcus, 0:39:14.773 --> 0:39:16.933 Thanks hanging on there forever, Good evening and welcome. 0:39:18.093 --> 0:39:21.733 Hello Marcus. Good to hear from him. Yes, I've got 0:39:21.733 --> 0:39:26.013 two points. I think we should have had civil fern 0:39:26.093 --> 0:39:28.853 on a flag, because if we go over seas or 0:39:28.893 --> 0:39:33.853 anywhere where New Zealand's are fought, their graveyards have always 0:39:33.853 --> 0:39:38.453 got a civil fern on them, and I think that 0:39:38.533 --> 0:39:40.413 would be market on a flag. 0:39:41.853 --> 0:39:44.373 Hang on, Ross. We had the chance for silver fern 0:39:44.453 --> 0:39:45.413 and people didn't want it. 0:39:45.933 --> 0:39:50.813 I know that. I know that, so I don't understand why. Anyway, 0:39:50.853 --> 0:39:53.653 it doesn't matter now it's too late. The other point 0:39:53.773 --> 0:39:58.013 is you watch a flag, New Zealand flag or Australian flag. 0:39:58.253 --> 0:40:00.533 It was a fluttering you don't know which was which, 0:40:01.573 --> 0:40:05.533 so you know, it wouldn't be nice to definitely something 0:40:06.453 --> 0:40:09.893 New Zealand. So everybody's little they need. 0:40:11.453 --> 0:40:14.253 But looking at the great flags of the world, they're 0:40:14.293 --> 0:40:20.293 not necessarily symbolizing. They don't necessarily necessarily have things from 0:40:20.293 --> 0:40:23.853 the country on them. They're more often about just a 0:40:23.893 --> 0:40:26.933 striking bit of design. Like if you look at Japan 0:40:27.053 --> 0:40:29.693 with the rising sun, if you look at America with 0:40:29.733 --> 0:40:32.653 the stars and stripes, they're not really you know, they 0:40:32.693 --> 0:40:34.613 haven't got a bison. They haven't got a bison on it, 0:40:34.693 --> 0:40:38.373 or haven't got a bond side tree on it, have they? 0:40:38.373 --> 0:40:43.613 Mate? But why do our graveyards or in Europe on 0:40:43.613 --> 0:40:44.253 their grave side? 0:40:44.293 --> 0:40:46.893 It's a different thing. That's a symbol that that's a 0:40:46.933 --> 0:40:49.213 symbol from the war that people have used that they 0:40:49.333 --> 0:40:52.133 use to put on graves and probably different countries. 0:40:51.773 --> 0:40:53.773 Part and that New Zealand. 0:40:53.973 --> 0:40:56.853 Yeah, but different different countries put different things on their graves. 0:40:56.893 --> 0:40:58.573 They don't then think on our grave it must be 0:40:58.573 --> 0:41:01.493 on our flag as well. That's not a slam dunk 0:41:01.533 --> 0:41:02.093 that connection. 0:41:03.173 --> 0:41:08.173 Okay, mate, what about what about a New Zealand Australia 0:41:08.213 --> 0:41:13.293 flair unless you understand one flair, I mean one little 0:41:14.573 --> 0:41:19.093 spar star on it is. That's the difference between two countries. 0:41:19.133 --> 0:41:22.213 And to me in a strutter, you don't know who's 0:41:22.253 --> 0:41:23.173 what country it is. 0:41:23.493 --> 0:41:25.853 Would you be a fan if we became part of Australia? 0:41:26.933 --> 0:41:29.573 No, mate, don't do that to me. 0:41:30.253 --> 0:41:32.253 I don't think you didn't think you would be ru Sorry, 0:41:32.253 --> 0:41:35.293 shouldn't tease you? Two lines free if you want to 0:41:35.293 --> 0:41:39.493 come through Flag Wednesday. I'm looking at a flag now 0:41:39.533 --> 0:41:41.533 on the cycling. Who's that well? I can't see if 0:41:41.573 --> 0:41:45.453 she's Australian. Who's a Williston in the cycling that's on 0:41:45.493 --> 0:41:49.653 the TV? You know she's Australian. Just a little flags 0:41:49.693 --> 0:41:56.613 up there. I can't see where she's from. Good evening, Shirley. 0:41:55.173 --> 0:41:58.773 Good evening, Marcus. Now I want you to picture this, 0:41:59.053 --> 0:42:01.093 or if you're sitting down with a pen and paper, 0:42:01.133 --> 0:42:04.413 I want you to draw something. I'm very very proud 0:42:04.413 --> 0:42:09.653 of it. My husband back in end of two and fifteen, 0:42:09.693 --> 0:42:17.453 twenty and sixteen, he designed a flag. Wow, and now 0:42:18.173 --> 0:42:22.333 draw a square flag and this will please the man 0:42:22.373 --> 0:42:26.133 that just spoke. And then draw from the bottom left 0:42:26.453 --> 0:42:29.293 to the top right a diagonal line right across it. 0:42:31.213 --> 0:42:37.973 The top diagonal is blue with four red stars. 0:42:40.533 --> 0:42:42.973 Surely, I'm just struggling with your radio because it's coming 0:42:43.013 --> 0:42:44.573 and I'm getting into it. 0:42:46.093 --> 0:42:51.893 Right, it's off now. So the top is blue with 0:42:51.973 --> 0:42:57.933 four red stars. The bottom diagonal part is green, and 0:42:57.973 --> 0:43:01.533 there's a brown kiwi in the bottom right hand corner. 0:43:03.173 --> 0:43:06.413 Going across the diagonal line from the bottom left to 0:43:06.293 --> 0:43:13.853 the top right is a silver fern. And we are 0:43:13.973 --> 0:43:16.653 so proud of what we've called it our Jarden flag. 0:43:17.093 --> 0:43:20.013 People going past when I fly it on spiritual days, 0:43:20.093 --> 0:43:23.573 birthdays and things like that, people going past actually come 0:43:23.613 --> 0:43:25.813 in and say, what a fantastic flag. 0:43:25.933 --> 0:43:26.493 What is it? 0:43:27.253 --> 0:43:27.573 Wow? 0:43:27.653 --> 0:43:29.653 So can I just tell you the wee verse I 0:43:29.773 --> 0:43:30.573 made up for it? 0:43:30.653 --> 0:43:32.373 Oh no, I'm not having a poem. But why is 0:43:32.413 --> 0:43:33.693 it called the Jardine Flag. 0:43:34.373 --> 0:43:36.533 Well, I just want to explain it. It's not a poem. 0:43:36.533 --> 0:43:37.573 It's explaining it. 0:43:37.853 --> 0:43:41.253 Oh yeah, can you send an image to us of it? 0:43:42.893 --> 0:43:45.813 Yeah, But I just want to tell the people the 0:43:45.973 --> 0:43:49.373 flag was meaning that Ellen designed with pride and the 0:43:49.453 --> 0:43:52.493 reasons for each emblem. He will surely tell you why 0:43:52.853 --> 0:43:55.093 the blue is for the beautiful skies that we're in 0:43:55.173 --> 0:43:58.413 New Zealand, sheer and the greenest for our greenland for 0:43:58.493 --> 0:44:02.093 which we love and care. The stars pattern represents the 0:44:02.213 --> 0:44:06.653 asterism with the constellation of trucks. The Southern Cross is 0:44:06.693 --> 0:44:10.253 known to all and understood so much. The silver foonnas 0:44:10.333 --> 0:44:13.053 for the fallen who fought so bravery through the ways, 0:44:13.613 --> 0:44:16.693 and also for our sports folk who represent us with 0:44:16.813 --> 0:44:20.453 great applause. I've fought through the wars, and also for 0:44:20.533 --> 0:44:24.013 the sports folk who represent up with great flaws. And 0:44:24.173 --> 0:44:27.053 last but not least, our Kiwi as he stands so 0:44:27.133 --> 0:44:31.293 proud and tall to see. So you see this new 0:44:31.333 --> 0:44:35.813 flake Allen designed truly covers one and all. So fly 0:44:35.933 --> 0:44:39.533 this flag from your flagpole, and fly at each special day. 0:44:40.053 --> 0:44:42.053 And when you're asked about this flag, you'll not just 0:44:42.133 --> 0:44:43.453 what to say. 0:44:44.293 --> 0:44:46.573 Did you get one made? 0:44:46.733 --> 0:44:49.493 I had it made, and I had it made from 0:44:49.573 --> 0:44:54.133 the flagplace in BETTONI and I've given one to our 0:44:54.213 --> 0:44:57.693 sons to fly from their flagpole, and one of the 0:44:57.693 --> 0:45:00.613 Allen's cousins has bought one for their flag pole. And 0:45:00.693 --> 0:45:03.973 as I say, it just gets so much comments when 0:45:04.013 --> 0:45:04.613 I fly it. 0:45:05.493 --> 0:45:07.773 And what was the cost getting that flag? Made there. 0:45:07.813 --> 0:45:12.413 Surely I got it made in the proper, proper flag stuff. 0:45:12.493 --> 0:45:14.293 Four hundred and twenty five dollars. 0:45:15.093 --> 0:45:20.333 Okay, can I any of you? Is your husband a designer? 0:45:21.773 --> 0:45:21.853 No? 0:45:22.093 --> 0:45:25.053 My husband passed away six years ago. He just sat 0:45:25.413 --> 0:45:27.453 doodling one day and what have you? And I sed, 0:45:27.493 --> 0:45:29.773 Oh that's great. Why don't we put it in the competitions? 0:45:30.093 --> 0:45:33.413 Oh no, no, I don't do that. And I wished 0:45:33.453 --> 0:45:36.053 I jolly willhead it because I'll tell you what it 0:45:36.053 --> 0:45:36.973 would have been one. 0:45:36.813 --> 0:45:37.653 Of the tops. 0:45:38.093 --> 0:45:39.493 Really is it that good? 0:45:40.573 --> 0:45:42.853 I'm going to Can I mail it to you? 0:45:42.893 --> 0:45:44.453 Of course you can have you got email? 0:45:45.573 --> 0:45:51.253 Yes, okay, what would it? 0:45:51.533 --> 0:45:51.693 Well? 0:45:51.733 --> 0:45:53.493 How would I email? What's your email? 0:45:55.013 --> 0:45:59.893 Marcus m A c U s at, which is the 0:45:59.893 --> 0:46:04.173 A with a circle around yep used talk Z b 0:46:05.493 --> 0:46:07.613 yeap dot co dot nz. 0:46:09.133 --> 0:46:10.453 Dot co dot nz. 0:46:10.733 --> 0:46:11.373 I'll do that. 0:46:11.333 --> 0:46:14.253 Now and people stop and say, wow, that should have 0:46:14.293 --> 0:46:14.893 been our flag. 0:46:15.933 --> 0:46:18.773 Absolutely yeah. And they come into the door and they 0:46:18.813 --> 0:46:21.933 say what's that? Because I've got about forty five leagues 0:46:21.973 --> 0:46:26.133 I fly and each in our neighborhood, people going past 0:46:26.213 --> 0:46:28.173 or talk about the flags, and I say to them, 0:46:28.493 --> 0:46:31.733 what's your birthday and what's your nationality and I put 0:46:31.773 --> 0:46:34.093 it in my diary and on that day I fly 0:46:34.253 --> 0:46:34.853 their flag. 0:46:35.813 --> 0:46:37.213 Do you look Do you look for people that look 0:46:37.253 --> 0:46:38.293 of a different nationality? 0:46:39.373 --> 0:46:41.693 No, I just look for people that talk to me 0:46:41.733 --> 0:46:46.133 as I'm in the garden and going past and display 0:46:46.213 --> 0:46:48.573 the different flegs. I think I've got the New Zealand 0:46:48.573 --> 0:46:51.293 one up three times this week for different people. 0:46:51.333 --> 0:46:52.093 But they like it. 0:46:52.133 --> 0:46:53.453 They just get a kick out of it. 0:46:53.933 --> 0:46:56.333 Brilliant. Okay, Shelly, thank you for that. I appreciate. I 0:46:56.373 --> 0:47:03.973 look forward to seeing that. Marcus. If people cannot tell 0:47:03.973 --> 0:47:05.813 the difference between the Australians in the flag, they're not 0:47:05.893 --> 0:47:08.773 reobserve it. White stars for austran red stars views endly. Well, 0:47:08.773 --> 0:47:11.093 that's not quite rightly. Because I'm looking at TV screen 0:47:11.093 --> 0:47:13.093 across the other side of the room and it's got 0:47:13.093 --> 0:47:15.293 the cyclist what country they're from. It's impossible to tell 0:47:16.693 --> 0:47:18.653 because often the flag just comes up as a symbol 0:47:18.693 --> 0:47:24.333 to denote nationality. Marcus a Key is not aware that 0:47:24.373 --> 0:47:27.293 most countries in the Southern Hemisphere can see the Southern Cross. 0:47:27.733 --> 0:47:31.333 It's not special to New Zealand, Steve, and this will 0:47:31.333 --> 0:47:33.293 shake people up. But also the silver fern is not 0:47:33.333 --> 0:47:35.493 that especially the most countries have a fern that appears 0:47:35.533 --> 0:47:39.293 to be silver. So that's what happens when you go 0:47:39.333 --> 0:47:41.373 with symbols. I think most countries have them, so it 0:47:41.413 --> 0:47:45.613 doesn't really identify us. That's why better going with just 0:47:45.613 --> 0:47:59.013 some design like the Japanese one. Quite one of those 0:47:59.013 --> 0:48:00.253 lines of the poem doing a lot of work. One 0:48:00.413 --> 0:48:05.253 the one after war? What rhyme with war? I've forgotten 0:48:05.293 --> 0:48:09.453 now what rhymed with war straw? Or I can't remember. 0:48:15.093 --> 0:48:17.133 Someone said we can't afford a new flag, I'd say, 0:48:17.133 --> 0:48:21.693 we can't afford not to have one. And all the 0:48:21.773 --> 0:48:29.653 arguments are the same as they were ten years ago. Marcus, 0:48:29.653 --> 0:48:35.973 our flag doesn't necessarily need to be rectangular, no matter 0:48:36.013 --> 0:48:38.373 what it was proposed. When are hiding nothing, some won't change, 0:48:38.413 --> 0:48:40.133 Some won't like the new flag no matter what it 0:48:40.133 --> 0:48:46.333 looks like. Some will march on Parliament. Now, can I 0:48:46.413 --> 0:48:49.893 just say that looking at all the flags that were nominated, 0:48:49.933 --> 0:48:58.493 and they're all terrible. Red peak, which was the triangular 0:48:58.493 --> 0:49:01.253 one that they thought was the lake contender, it doesn't 0:49:01.253 --> 0:49:10.253 look great. Yes, and yes, indeed the flag of Switzerland 0:49:10.413 --> 0:49:15.933 is a red square. There aren't many square flags, but 0:49:16.053 --> 0:49:18.893 the flag of Switzerland is indeed square. If you want 0:49:18.893 --> 0:49:20.493 to comment on this, I've got a ton of texts. 0:49:20.733 --> 0:49:25.453 There's lines now free change the flag. You say what too? 0:49:28.653 --> 0:49:31.693 But I'm loving people giving their old designs another go round. 0:49:35.373 --> 0:49:39.933 Someone else, assume me a flag poem Australia has six stars, 0:49:40.373 --> 0:49:44.973 has four red stars. That is a certainty. A child 0:49:45.053 --> 0:49:47.533 should be A flag should be a simple design such 0:49:47.533 --> 0:49:50.173 as a child can draw it. I'm all for a 0:49:50.253 --> 0:49:52.493 change of flagged to something more representative New Zealand, but 0:49:52.533 --> 0:49:54.373 options in the flag refer and we're abysmal to it 0:49:54.373 --> 0:49:57.133 had no change. Cheers Mari. Yes, that's exactly the same, 0:49:57.813 --> 0:50:00.093 pro change, not pro the change they came up with. 0:50:03.693 --> 0:50:06.093 What about a flag with all our native animals on 0:50:06.093 --> 0:50:10.613 it kiwi as sheep are wallaby and a moose parpu. 0:50:10.733 --> 0:50:16.053 New Guinea has a bird on its flag, black background, 0:50:16.053 --> 0:50:17.573 silver f in the middle, or a picture of John 0:50:17.573 --> 0:50:21.333 A Lomu done a flag that consists of the three 0:50:21.373 --> 0:50:23.613 important colors in our history, black, white and red for 0:50:23.653 --> 0:50:28.253 the blood spilled to form our country. No logos, Marcus, 0:50:28.253 --> 0:50:32.213 I'm a veteran, a member of the RSA. Have you 0:50:32.213 --> 0:50:34.973 seen the in New Zealand flag no, well, navy blue 0:50:34.973 --> 0:50:37.773 with two Kordu blue for the Pacific Corduf and New 0:50:37.853 --> 0:50:40.093 Zealand easy to draw. Nothing like it in the world 0:50:40.133 --> 0:50:45.453 of flag's Jim hut Valley, I reckon we should swap 0:50:45.533 --> 0:50:47.453 out the color blue for black and re stand out 0:50:47.533 --> 0:50:50.213 zero confused with anyone else, and so much of our 0:50:50.293 --> 0:50:54.813 national teams are named after blacks. That makes sense. Commission 0:50:54.893 --> 0:50:59.933 Banks heat to design a flag. Get rid of our flag. 0:50:59.973 --> 0:51:01.893 Go to black. A black flag with a silver fur, 0:51:02.013 --> 0:51:07.733 nice and simple, like the Canadian maple leaf. Evening, Marcus, 0:51:07.773 --> 0:51:10.093 when you drive, the most common flag frying is the 0:51:10.173 --> 0:51:12.453 MOULDI flag. Next is the sovereign flag. I think that 0:51:12.893 --> 0:51:19.093 speaks for itself. Susie, what's the sovereign flag? Marcus. We 0:51:19.133 --> 0:51:20.613 need a new flag and then to all go on 0:51:20.653 --> 0:51:23.813 a team building exercise. We've lost our mojo as a country. 0:51:24.573 --> 0:51:24.733 Yeah. 0:51:24.733 --> 0:51:26.613 A pretty interesting article in one of the papers the 0:51:26.613 --> 0:51:28.453 other days about all the smaller towns that have been 0:51:28.493 --> 0:51:33.973 gutted of all the young people as they move overseas. Marcus, 0:51:34.013 --> 0:51:36.293 I feel we have missed an opportunity the last referendum. 0:51:36.293 --> 0:51:38.413 Everyone was so patientate flying the new flag. I think 0:51:38.453 --> 0:51:40.293 the country would have gotten behind a new design and 0:51:40.293 --> 0:51:42.853 we had a chance to build some real national pride. 0:51:42.973 --> 0:51:45.053 Those who putting the old flag flew these as well 0:51:45.053 --> 0:51:46.453 with pride. As soon as it was over, they all 0:51:46.453 --> 0:51:48.773 went put the way and now we really see a 0:51:48.813 --> 0:51:51.853 flag flying. A new flag may have stayed up Hi 0:51:51.973 --> 0:51:53.653 Gary Marcus Evening Welcome. 0:51:54.773 --> 0:51:58.133 Markets still have the funfects that the film A firm 0:51:58.213 --> 0:52:00.173 that was on the referendum flag if you want to know, 0:52:03.213 --> 0:52:08.533 now on the Walk of Fame behind the star that's 0:52:08.613 --> 0:52:13.013 on every every park now for famous new Xylders. I 0:52:13.173 --> 0:52:17.213 contacted Kyle Lockwood, who actually designed it, and he gave 0:52:17.253 --> 0:52:20.053 me the copyright free because I had a copyright issue 0:52:20.053 --> 0:52:23.773 with the Hollywood Walk of Fame and they wanted fifty 0:52:23.813 --> 0:52:26.493 thousand a year because they have a copyright for every 0:52:26.613 --> 0:52:29.333 five pointed object in the world on the ground. 0:52:30.973 --> 0:52:31.653 That's amazing. 0:52:32.773 --> 0:52:34.493 Yes, that was a bit of a bit of a 0:52:35.053 --> 0:52:40.293 sort of that was back in two thousand and thirteen 0:52:40.573 --> 0:52:43.013 that I've got. They've got the letter to say stop 0:52:43.053 --> 0:52:45.693 and decease from So we talked about this and then 0:52:45.733 --> 0:52:50.213 they will negotiate with your make it twenty thirty five 0:52:50.253 --> 0:52:55.453 thousand US a year, Yeah, a year. This is a year. 0:52:55.653 --> 0:52:58.533 This is just fifty or twenty five thousand a year 0:52:58.613 --> 0:53:00.853 to have it down. They said they have rights to 0:53:01.093 --> 0:53:06.693 worldwide from a company called Icon Lawyer's Icon Business. 0:53:06.733 --> 0:53:08.853 Oh, you would get messed up with them. It's been 0:53:08.853 --> 0:53:12.373 a fortune loyals wouldn't lawyers good time? 0:53:12.413 --> 0:53:16.613 So we protected Kyle he Y all means he gave 0:53:16.613 --> 0:53:19.333 me the copyright for free. So new it's behind the star. 0:53:19.573 --> 0:53:23.093 It's an eight object, a lot of facts, and so 0:53:23.373 --> 0:53:25.813 they sent me a letter saying they cease and assist. 0:53:25.893 --> 0:53:29.253 But that's silver fern is now. Times are there for 0:53:29.293 --> 0:53:31.973 good if anyone's interested in having a look at it. 0:53:33.573 --> 0:53:36.213 Yeah, okay, this is the one that audio work, isn't it. 0:53:36.013 --> 0:53:39.813 It seems to lend itself mainly country music people. Is 0:53:39.813 --> 0:53:40.173 that right? 0:53:41.253 --> 0:53:42.893 No, it's all entertainment. 0:53:42.893 --> 0:53:47.133 It covers well like Susan prints, Ray Wolf, like you, 0:53:47.253 --> 0:53:50.893 Dennis Marsh Yeah, okay, great Bartlett. 0:53:50.333 --> 0:53:55.613 We've got You've also got Dragon, Mark William's, Larry Morris, 0:53:56.933 --> 0:53:59.973 Tom Sharplin, and we've got more coming up. We've got 0:54:00.053 --> 0:54:01.333 Freckie Stevens coming up. 0:54:01.613 --> 0:54:04.853 You got Lord, you got Lord not Huid. 0:54:05.413 --> 0:54:06.853 Very hard to get a hold of. Get the thin 0:54:06.933 --> 0:54:10.533 brothers on either really you can get the top twin 0:54:11.253 --> 0:54:13.053 They said no, Top Twin said. 0:54:12.893 --> 0:54:14.813 No, you got described. 0:54:16.093 --> 0:54:19.213 No, But I've got a list of about fifty still 0:54:19.213 --> 0:54:22.973 put down. We've got twenty twenty five dowsa and we've 0:54:22.973 --> 0:54:26.173 got that fifteenth year anniversary in July nineteenth. 0:54:26.413 --> 0:54:28.613 Is it much work to do it? 0:54:28.813 --> 0:54:30.133 Yeah, it's a lot of work. 0:54:30.573 --> 0:54:30.853 Is it? 0:54:30.933 --> 0:54:34.733 What a lot of money we getting people to do it? 0:54:34.853 --> 0:54:36.813 Or no? 0:54:37.253 --> 0:54:38.253 Well it's all free for them. 0:54:38.293 --> 0:54:41.173 Its costs means and put it all together in so Gary? 0:54:41.373 --> 0:54:43.213 Are you sort of you've got permission of that audio work? 0:54:43.773 --> 0:54:45.973 You could have got as much foot space as you 0:54:46.013 --> 0:54:46.853 want there, is it right? 0:54:47.813 --> 0:54:51.893 That's correct. I got a permission from the council. Had 0:54:52.253 --> 0:54:54.093 I had a distupit fim. It took me six years 0:54:54.133 --> 0:54:57.133 to get it, get it sorted. But it's been a 0:54:57.173 --> 0:54:59.453 bit of a jeffit journey for sure. But I'm so 0:54:59.613 --> 0:55:01.853 determined to get you know, these famous people that have 0:55:01.973 --> 0:55:05.213 made such a big influence. You've even got the flood 0:55:05.213 --> 0:55:08.253 of the concourse with with the guys who got oscars 0:55:08.333 --> 0:55:11.333 and and all sorts of and there's so many I've 0:55:11.373 --> 0:55:13.213 got set out contact to Sam Neil. He said, he 0:55:13.293 --> 0:55:14.373 wasn't famous enough yet. 0:55:14.293 --> 0:55:16.893 Which was so you have you got the flight of 0:55:16.933 --> 0:55:19.213 the Concord guys, not yet. 0:55:19.333 --> 0:55:21.813 No, I'm working on them. That The thing is to 0:55:21.853 --> 0:55:24.773 get there, to get their contact. That's the hardest thing 0:55:25.293 --> 0:55:28.733 because manages to go through and or people won't give 0:55:28.773 --> 0:55:31.133 his numbers or But I'd love to get Jason gunned 0:55:31.173 --> 0:55:32.973 down as well. I think Jackson has done an amazing 0:55:33.053 --> 0:55:38.253 job throughout the years. Yeah, and it's even like when 0:55:38.293 --> 0:55:42.893 you look at Peter Peter Montgomery with a sailing, you know, 0:55:43.573 --> 0:55:44.653 phenomenal what he's done. 0:55:45.213 --> 0:55:46.493 I think. 0:55:46.653 --> 0:55:48.293 I think Jason Gunner is on your list. 0:55:49.813 --> 0:55:51.493 And he's on my list, but it's hard to get 0:55:51.493 --> 0:55:53.613 ahold of us. Try to contact himself if you're listening. 0:55:55.013 --> 0:55:57.013 But has he got a start? Has he got a star? 0:55:57.213 --> 0:55:57.253 No? 0:55:58.093 --> 0:56:00.973 No, no, I guess no, okay, now, oh, good luck 0:56:01.013 --> 0:56:03.413 with there, Gary, thank you, There we go. Marcus, some 0:56:03.493 --> 0:56:06.053 of your listens don't realize that the Kiwi birdhers from Australia. 0:56:06.413 --> 0:56:14.093 I don't know if that's necessarily true, Marcus Francis Douglas 0:56:14.133 --> 0:56:16.253 Memoral College. But you Plymouth boys the annual First fifteen 0:56:16.333 --> 0:56:18.693 Rugby Exchange for the first time, so it's twenty fourteen 0:56:18.773 --> 0:56:22.333 ten eight with a late conversion to win it. Jubilation 0:56:22.493 --> 0:56:25.053 at the gully on a glorious day. Cheers Bruce, Bruce. 0:56:25.133 --> 0:56:29.253 Did they win away? Must have hard to go to 0:56:29.293 --> 0:56:34.733 the valley and one, Marcus. The Blackjack flag that was 0:56:34.733 --> 0:56:38.413 shortlisted last time around is fantastic. Eighty to ten of 0:56:38.493 --> 0:56:41.413 the lines are free for chime it chipping on the 0:56:41.453 --> 0:56:44.093 flag or chiming on the flag. Marcus. As I have 0:56:44.173 --> 0:56:46.533 a tattle of our flag, I'm hopeful it doesn't change 0:56:46.573 --> 0:56:49.133 in my lifetime. Listen to every night. Thank you, Rose. 0:56:49.173 --> 0:56:55.373 We can always change it. Please pass my phone number 0:56:55.413 --> 0:56:57.653 on to Gary, the country music loving lord lacking top 0:56:57.733 --> 0:57:00.373 twin twerking flag. When Scotty, I've got all the phone numbers. 0:57:00.493 --> 0:57:04.093 Gary's looking for. Cheers Scotty, Thanks Scotty. Someone says, what 0:57:04.173 --> 0:57:06.093 about a Mount Cook lily? What a beautiful flower? 0:57:06.133 --> 0:57:06.173 That? 0:57:07.813 --> 0:57:09.453 Would you call it a flower? I guess you wouldn't, 0:57:11.373 --> 0:57:13.613 But yeah, there we go. That's something. I think there 0:57:13.613 --> 0:57:18.933 are some flags. Yeah, I just wish we've got to 0:57:18.933 --> 0:57:21.053 get I wish we've got it out of the Silver 0:57:21.173 --> 0:57:23.533 Fern and the Southern Cross because here, as I say, 0:57:23.533 --> 0:57:26.533 the Southern crosses. The Southern Cross is only unique if 0:57:26.573 --> 0:57:32.333 you're in the Southern hemisphere. It's not that special. I mean, 0:57:32.373 --> 0:57:36.213 I don't want to disparage it. But now, train news, 0:57:39.373 --> 0:57:41.173 what can I tell you about? This is a good story. Actually. 0:57:43.893 --> 0:57:47.293 The Green Party policy for a passenger train between Auckland 0:57:47.293 --> 0:57:49.933 and Totong is a no brainer, commuter says, a cheaper, 0:57:52.213 --> 0:57:54.733 safer and fast alternative to the worst traffic in the 0:57:54.813 --> 0:58:01.693 country and soaring airfares. Policy announced on Wednesday propose extending 0:58:01.773 --> 0:58:04.253 the existing to who were trained service between Hamilton and 0:58:04.373 --> 0:58:09.573 Auckland and building additional stations and Totong, Morensville and Waharoa 0:58:12.773 --> 0:58:14.933 would take two and a half hours the trip and 0:58:15.013 --> 0:58:21.213 would be established in two years. I don't necessarily know 0:58:21.373 --> 0:58:28.093 that it would be two and a half hours. I 0:58:28.173 --> 0:58:33.413 thought it would be longer longer than that. But until 0:58:33.613 --> 0:58:39.253 not so long ago, that was always a thing for 0:58:39.413 --> 0:58:43.373 Right up until the mid nineties, there were commuter trains 0:58:43.373 --> 0:58:46.213 between Auckland and Auckland Todong. And I don't quite know 0:58:46.293 --> 0:58:51.173 why they've stopped, and the lot to one's not going 0:58:51.213 --> 0:58:52.453 to happen to bo because I think they've lifted up 0:58:52.453 --> 0:58:54.573 some of the lines people have stolen the sleepers or something. 0:58:56.373 --> 0:58:57.893 But yes, that might be something you want to comment 0:58:57.933 --> 0:59:05.373 on as well. There's an online poll for that. Eighty 0:59:05.493 --> 0:59:10.213 percent of people think it's a good idea. So there 0:59:10.253 --> 0:59:12.493 we go. Oh we was stopped in two thousand and one. 0:59:12.573 --> 0:59:18.013 That's good information. And of course since then, Todong and 0:59:18.533 --> 0:59:21.493 Hamilton have become the fastest growing parts of the country. 0:59:22.373 --> 0:59:24.373 I'm just not necessarily sure if you'd need to go 0:59:24.453 --> 0:59:27.853 through Hamilton, if they couldn't do a shorter route that 0:59:28.013 --> 0:59:31.733 goes like make part of the triangle, if you know 0:59:31.773 --> 0:59:37.973 what I'm saying, to cut across there. But maybe they 0:59:38.013 --> 0:59:39.893 need to start that way and maybe change it later on. 0:59:40.133 --> 0:59:43.293 It looks always like a straight line anyway, eight away 0:59:43.333 --> 0:59:45.133 from ten if you want to talk Monames Marcus welcome 0:59:45.173 --> 0:59:50.453 HDDLE twelve. Paterson Geral always get a little bit excited 0:59:50.493 --> 0:59:54.133 about that. But yes, if they could make it work 0:59:54.213 --> 0:59:57.613 in two thousand and one and now the populations are 0:59:57.653 --> 1:00:03.093 probably doubled and we'll be a lot quicker than driving 1:00:03.173 --> 1:00:08.173 with all the traffic jams, makes sense. Don't necessarily know 1:00:08.213 --> 1:00:11.693 how they cope going through the tunnel. I guess they 1:00:11.733 --> 1:00:13.333 went through in the last time. I know some towns 1:00:13.373 --> 1:00:16.853 passengers can't go through because of issues. But anyway, good evening, 1:00:16.973 --> 1:00:18.373 noel ats Marcus, welcome. 1:00:21.253 --> 1:00:24.653 Now you're on about ten years since we've had to 1:00:24.813 --> 1:00:26.013 go at changing the flag. 1:00:26.373 --> 1:00:28.173 Yes, okay. 1:00:28.613 --> 1:00:32.093 Now one of the options that you've been promoting is 1:00:32.173 --> 1:00:34.773 putting the silver fern on the flag. 1:00:35.653 --> 1:00:38.173 No, I'm not promoting that. I've always been opposed to that. 1:00:39.533 --> 1:00:42.253 You're opposed to that, so am I, and I'll tell 1:00:42.293 --> 1:00:42.693 you why. 1:00:43.133 --> 1:00:44.013 Great like your passion. 1:00:45.013 --> 1:00:48.573 In the early nineteen sixties, when the Air Force changed 1:00:49.173 --> 1:00:52.493 their roundel and they put a silverfern in the center 1:00:52.613 --> 1:00:56.493 of the round all, we became the butt of jokes 1:00:56.893 --> 1:01:00.013 of all the other air forces because we were flying 1:01:00.093 --> 1:01:00.893 the white feather. 1:01:02.013 --> 1:01:03.933 Oh yes, okay, like surrender. 1:01:05.453 --> 1:01:06.293 Yes exactly. 1:01:08.173 --> 1:01:11.613 So ten years ago I was there against putting the 1:01:12.093 --> 1:01:16.013 selver fern on our national flag. I don't care. I 1:01:16.133 --> 1:01:18.293 look quite like it as a sports flag, but not 1:01:18.453 --> 1:01:19.533 on our national flag. 1:01:20.173 --> 1:01:22.773 I never in all my debates ten years ago, I 1:01:22.853 --> 1:01:25.493 never heard someone saying it was the white feather of surrender. 1:01:25.613 --> 1:01:26.293 But I quite like that. 1:01:27.373 --> 1:01:31.333 Yeah, that's it. It was only on our aircraft for 1:01:31.573 --> 1:01:34.413 probably six months or nine months, and we changed it 1:01:34.533 --> 1:01:38.933 to m Z and then to the Kiwi. Were you 1:01:39.133 --> 1:01:42.453 someone and that's when the Kiwi started to fly? 1:01:43.053 --> 1:01:45.293 Were you involved in that? Were you involved in the services. 1:01:45.893 --> 1:01:47.573 I was on the Air Force for a long time. 1:01:47.733 --> 1:01:51.573 Oh, good on you go you okay, that's excellent. Okay, Well, 1:01:51.613 --> 1:01:53.653 you know, I said I think that I think the 1:01:53.933 --> 1:01:55.773 silver fin looks terrible on a flag. I think it's 1:01:55.813 --> 1:01:57.773 some sort of like something you put on butter, not 1:01:57.893 --> 1:01:59.653 on a flag. It's like a march. 1:02:00.053 --> 1:02:00.693 I agree with you. 1:02:00.893 --> 1:02:03.133 It's a sports flag, not a male flag. 1:02:03.693 --> 1:02:05.733 And I thought probably if those people on the pedal 1:02:05.933 --> 1:02:07.613 hadn't gone down that road, we might have got some 1:02:07.693 --> 1:02:10.693 better options. But they seem fixated with the silver fern. 1:02:11.733 --> 1:02:11.933 Yeah. 1:02:13.253 --> 1:02:15.373 Well yeah, I don't know why. 1:02:16.133 --> 1:02:20.053 Thank you. Six to ten dB, it's Marcus welcome. 1:02:23.813 --> 1:02:27.253 What was the timing they gave for Tower to Auckland. 1:02:26.933 --> 1:02:29.413 By train two and a half hours double. 1:02:29.213 --> 1:02:32.973 It it's two a half hours from Hamilton. Yes, so 1:02:33.093 --> 1:02:35.293 they're going to go from Tower longer to Hamilton in 1:02:35.373 --> 1:02:36.133 no time at all. 1:02:37.413 --> 1:02:41.573 So I'm not sure if that's misreporting by stuff or 1:02:41.773 --> 1:02:45.533 if it's because I'm sure the Greens, if they're passionate 1:02:45.573 --> 1:02:53.253 about transport they would know their timing. But tell me something. 1:02:53.413 --> 1:02:55.933 Is there any way that you could go from Totonga 1:02:55.973 --> 1:02:58.773 to Auckland, not going via Hamilton? 1:02:59.933 --> 1:03:03.733 No, No, that's the way the railway track goes. There's 1:03:03.733 --> 1:03:06.533 only one way between. The Chickens that have stomach can 1:03:06.573 --> 1:03:12.573 spy the neck. I'm just trying to I've got the 1:03:12.693 --> 1:03:14.053 slide rule out and I'm. 1:03:14.013 --> 1:03:15.733 Just trying to sig other. 1:03:17.173 --> 1:03:17.213 No. 1:03:17.893 --> 1:03:21.933 I mean, if you're an eight hour a day worker, 1:03:21.973 --> 1:03:23.613 you're going to be on the You're going to be 1:03:23.853 --> 1:03:28.093 away from home. It's poor hours commuting each way. That's 1:03:28.133 --> 1:03:29.573 if the train doesn't get delayed. 1:03:32.573 --> 1:03:32.773 Yeah. 1:03:32.853 --> 1:03:36.413 Oh and trains, what about? What about it? Yeah, I'm 1:03:36.453 --> 1:03:37.973 just going to reread that to make sure I've read 1:03:38.013 --> 1:03:41.013 it right. The trip between Auckland and Totong it would 1:03:41.013 --> 1:03:44.853 take two and a half hours. So what I think 1:03:44.933 --> 1:03:47.333 becomes interesting if you talk about Auckland to toteng O 1:03:47.413 --> 1:03:54.293 via train, right, Yep, you could build new lines from 1:03:54.373 --> 1:03:57.253 the exit of the Kaimi tunnel. I meant all flat land, 1:03:57.253 --> 1:04:00.653 isn't it. You could build a direct line between Through 1:04:00.693 --> 1:04:02.773 my head and you speak up towards to a car 1:04:02.893 --> 1:04:04.693 or someone like that, to a poke COI someone like 1:04:04.733 --> 1:04:06.933 that way you could, you could cut off and you'd 1:04:07.013 --> 1:04:09.013 save yourself. You actually got your slot. You're probably in 1:04:09.133 --> 1:04:10.373 save through the ks, wouldn't you. 1:04:11.413 --> 1:04:14.373 So seventeen thousand nimbies are already stopping you doing that. 1:04:14.893 --> 1:04:17.493 Yes, okay, I'm sorry. 1:04:17.573 --> 1:04:19.213 But and. 1:04:20.933 --> 1:04:24.133 Even if say they could do it in three hours, 1:04:24.933 --> 1:04:27.933 they can't. But say they could, you're still not going 1:04:27.973 --> 1:04:30.453 to get people out of their cars and onto a 1:04:30.613 --> 1:04:34.333 trade to do it in three hours. The Capital connection 1:04:35.013 --> 1:04:38.573 to Parmas the North once it leaves, why can I 1:04:38.773 --> 1:04:42.533 and all right, I'm talking ten years ago was virtually empty. 1:04:43.453 --> 1:04:48.453 Whilce I'm left the then you can count the people 1:04:48.493 --> 1:04:52.533 on two hands. And that was a train that would 1:04:52.573 --> 1:04:56.053 go Parmised North to Wellington until and a half hours, 1:04:57.453 --> 1:05:01.973 two really relatively large centers. So people just won't get 1:05:02.053 --> 1:05:08.173 out of their automobiles. I mean, I'm a fan of 1:05:08.293 --> 1:05:11.533 rail I spent thirty five years working for them. 1:05:12.453 --> 1:05:16.293 The question I have asked tonight to start the show. 1:05:17.133 --> 1:05:20.133 It's ten years since we attempted to change our flag. 1:05:22.293 --> 1:05:24.333 Do you have an appetite to try and change the 1:05:24.453 --> 1:05:30.373 flag again? Is it worth persevering with or was that 1:05:30.613 --> 1:05:33.653 just a once in a lifetime chance and the good 1:05:33.693 --> 1:05:38.493 will is gone. Are people as passionate about a new 1:05:38.573 --> 1:05:44.173 flag as they were ten years ago? It's bound to 1:05:44.213 --> 1:05:45.973 crop up the next couple of years someone will say, 1:05:46.013 --> 1:05:47.893 let's change the flag. In fact, I have just done. 1:05:47.933 --> 1:05:54.533 That was a terrible process and it was flawed from 1:05:54.533 --> 1:06:01.973 the beginning. But we get another go at it? Or 1:06:02.773 --> 1:06:08.253 have things now become too divided? And with Facebook and 1:06:08.373 --> 1:06:10.413 keyboard warriors in the way it is these days, if 1:06:10.413 --> 1:06:12.333 you had a discussion about the flag, it would probably 1:06:12.373 --> 1:06:19.413 become full of expletives quite quickly, because even when it 1:06:19.493 --> 1:06:21.813 happened ten years ago, it was quite tense. People were 1:06:24.093 --> 1:06:27.413 and what happens intense things. People adopted positions that they 1:06:27.733 --> 1:06:32.893 fought very hard to defend, and that involved using misinformation, 1:06:33.133 --> 1:06:37.373 conspiracy and false facts. I heard it all sitting on 1:06:37.413 --> 1:06:40.093 this seat for ten years ago. So yeah, your thoughts, 1:06:41.973 --> 1:06:44.173 any appetite from anyone at all to change it again? 1:06:44.373 --> 1:06:48.493 And would the results be the same or maybe wouldn't 1:06:48.493 --> 1:06:54.213 be so fixated with the silver fern and the sior 1:06:54.293 --> 1:06:55.973 fan's funny in all sorts of ways, because it also 1:06:56.093 --> 1:06:59.293 lacks symmetry, so it's not great on a flag. It's 1:06:59.333 --> 1:07:11.333 got no symmetry. At least the maple leaf has some symmetry, Marcus. 1:07:11.333 --> 1:07:14.093 If you google Kaimi Express, you'll find a Wikipedia item 1:07:14.133 --> 1:07:17.053 on the railway passive rail service that ran between Auckland 1:07:17.053 --> 1:07:19.653 and to Longer. The last time the services operated, the 1:07:19.693 --> 1:07:21.573 silver fre and railcar took three and a half hours 1:07:21.613 --> 1:07:29.733 to go one way. Okay, I just don't think you'd 1:07:29.733 --> 1:07:35.333 get done that quickly now, and that's probably because, well, 1:07:35.373 --> 1:07:38.013 you've got the whole problems with all the passenger trains 1:07:39.293 --> 1:07:40.773 and Auckland say, I'm not going to get that safe 1:07:40.813 --> 1:07:49.933 corridor to go all that way, Marcus. We killed the 1:07:50.013 --> 1:07:51.933 rail We sold it a private enterprise. They stripped it 1:07:51.973 --> 1:07:53.293 of rails and said, we don't have a big enough 1:07:53.333 --> 1:07:57.133 population and it's hard to resurrect the dead horse. We've 1:07:57.133 --> 1:08:00.813 got a big enough population, but you just got to 1:08:00.853 --> 1:08:02.373 people get in the habit of using it. I mean, 1:08:02.733 --> 1:08:05.693 the one place rail will work is the triangle between Orkland, 1:08:05.693 --> 1:08:08.813 Hamilton and Total because that's half the country's population lives there. 1:08:11.493 --> 1:08:18.573 So that's the one place that certainly can work. And 1:08:18.653 --> 1:08:22.813 they're growing like topsy. Auckland's growing. Yeah, there'll be two 1:08:22.813 --> 1:08:24.693 million people. There's probably two million people there were already 1:08:26.933 --> 1:08:29.653 and have two trains connecting two million people. It's not 1:08:29.773 --> 1:08:36.213 hard to get that working. So you never say never 1:08:36.253 --> 1:08:37.853 when it comes to rail. It can always come back. 1:08:38.733 --> 1:08:41.613 Twelve past ten, Hello, teary AT's Marcus. Good evening? 1:08:43.013 --> 1:08:47.533 Yeah, hi Marcus. Why should be another flag debate? You know, 1:08:47.613 --> 1:08:51.453 we had a referendum and the ones who wanted to 1:08:51.573 --> 1:08:54.653 change the at last, So why should there be another one? 1:08:56.813 --> 1:09:01.093 You know, we're we've got a flag, you know, and 1:09:01.213 --> 1:09:03.973 the majority of people are young people actually devoted to 1:09:04.653 --> 1:09:08.173 keep it. It was the young that actually the numbers 1:09:08.253 --> 1:09:09.853 up so that we're SAG would stay. 1:09:10.893 --> 1:09:14.933 So are you are you involved in that? 1:09:16.413 --> 1:09:19.013 And what I just voted and I voted to keep it. 1:09:19.693 --> 1:09:21.933 I voted for Winston Peter's fife. He doesn't want to 1:09:22.053 --> 1:09:24.893 change it. He knows what he's talking about. We don't know. 1:09:25.133 --> 1:09:27.653 You don't need to change the flag just because it's 1:09:27.693 --> 1:09:28.253 of the Union. 1:09:28.973 --> 1:09:31.373 There's a fee bit of appetite for it from the 1:09:31.493 --> 1:09:35.813 callers I've spoken to. Okay, but just with your just 1:09:35.933 --> 1:09:39.293 with your thoughts about the young people voted to save it. 1:09:40.453 --> 1:09:48.813 Yeah right, yeah, I'm just looking at where did you 1:09:48.893 --> 1:09:49.653 get those figures? 1:09:49.693 --> 1:09:49.893 From. 1:09:50.853 --> 1:09:53.493 I think it was just in the paper, just you know, 1:09:53.613 --> 1:09:58.613 the breakdown of the numbers. And I mean, you think 1:09:58.653 --> 1:09:59.373 I'm talking to it. 1:09:59.493 --> 1:10:00.173 You think it was. 1:10:01.453 --> 1:10:04.093 Yeah, but even decided that, you. 1:10:04.133 --> 1:10:07.613 Know what, No, no, but I I just want to 1:10:07.733 --> 1:10:09.533 check that because you said it was the young people 1:10:09.733 --> 1:10:10.773 voted for status quo. 1:10:12.893 --> 1:10:16.533 Yes, but yeah, and I have I have never. 1:10:16.453 --> 1:10:21.053 Seen that anywhere. Okay, all right, well so I just 1:10:21.133 --> 1:10:22.493 wonder where you got that from. 1:10:23.013 --> 1:10:25.293 Well, I talked to you know, I think it was 1:10:25.333 --> 1:10:27.773 in the paper, in the paper after the Great Debate. 1:10:27.853 --> 1:10:28.573 Do you think it was? 1:10:30.133 --> 1:10:33.053 It was in the paper, Yeah, and there was I 1:10:33.213 --> 1:10:36.413 remember talking to a guy even in his forties in 1:10:36.493 --> 1:10:40.653 the Ta B and Victorias Street while it was going on, 1:10:40.893 --> 1:10:45.933 and I was either coming up to counting or just after, 1:10:46.053 --> 1:10:47.973 and he said, he said, and we're talking about the 1:10:47.973 --> 1:10:49.893 flag and he said he want he wanted to change it, 1:10:50.493 --> 1:10:53.293 but he just didn't liked the messenger John Kiev as 1:10:53.333 --> 1:10:55.973 his daughter said he would be in twenties. Leave it 1:10:56.013 --> 1:10:57.773 a line. It's by fag. I've grown up with it. 1:10:58.533 --> 1:11:03.693 I think also a lot you know the sports people, 1:11:04.133 --> 1:11:07.133 you know lydier Co and when they when old and whatever, 1:11:07.213 --> 1:11:10.493 whether they're born here or not, they become New Zealanders. 1:11:10.533 --> 1:11:11.533 They loved the flag. 1:11:12.773 --> 1:11:17.653 So yeah, so what would be your opposition to it? 1:11:17.733 --> 1:11:19.413 Would it be the cost or would it be. 1:11:19.613 --> 1:11:24.573 What there's just it's just unnecessary. I love our flag. 1:11:25.133 --> 1:11:29.013 Nothing wrong with it, you know, it's just if was 1:11:29.253 --> 1:11:33.133 around that time also having a burger and the Burger King, 1:11:33.573 --> 1:11:35.453 and that used to a little boutiqu one that used 1:11:35.493 --> 1:11:39.693 to be where the cinema complexes and just up from 1:11:39.733 --> 1:11:45.213 the civic and there was a a a flower shop 1:11:45.333 --> 1:11:48.573 just there with the and had flags around. It's you know, 1:11:48.853 --> 1:11:51.213 the business and it had a South South sorry South 1:11:51.333 --> 1:11:54.013 Korean and New Zealand flags. And I spoke to the 1:11:54.093 --> 1:11:55.693 guy who owned it and I said, you know, the 1:11:55.773 --> 1:11:58.293 flag debate's going on. Do you want to keep the 1:11:58.373 --> 1:12:03.013 flag or change it? He said, keep it? So I 1:12:03.093 --> 1:12:05.973 think it's the people who come here, migrate to New 1:12:06.093 --> 1:12:09.693 Zealand and who come from the smaller who countries have 1:12:09.853 --> 1:12:12.733 been under China's fun if you like it, South Korea 1:12:12.973 --> 1:12:15.253 and Vietnam and all that who want to you know, 1:12:15.373 --> 1:12:17.533 come here and they appreciate the freedoms that they have 1:12:17.733 --> 1:12:21.253 here and they don't see any necessity and changing the flag. 1:12:21.693 --> 1:12:25.333 It's our flag. Chinese maybe you know they're the big 1:12:25.413 --> 1:12:29.773 kahuna over there and they want to change everything. M hmm, 1:12:31.733 --> 1:12:34.533 that's it, you know, I just necessary. 1:12:34.613 --> 1:12:37.253 If it wasn't going to be the flag we've got, now, 1:12:38.173 --> 1:12:38.693 what would you. 1:12:38.813 --> 1:12:42.573 Like it to be? But there's our flag now, Marcus, 1:12:42.613 --> 1:12:45.413 there's no I just want it's our flag. 1:12:46.333 --> 1:12:50.093 Things things change, the currency changes, and things change changes. 1:12:50.173 --> 1:12:53.493 The enemy, Marcus, change is the enemy of all societies, 1:12:53.573 --> 1:12:54.573 all cultures or. 1:12:56.613 --> 1:12:58.973 I don't know if that makes any sense. And if 1:12:59.013 --> 1:13:00.933 the slaves would have thought that was I don't know 1:13:01.013 --> 1:13:02.573 if the slaves thought that was a good thing. 1:13:03.973 --> 1:13:07.293 Oh, everyone's had slaves goes way back millions of years, 1:13:07.573 --> 1:13:10.693 every continent ere and they're still going. So nothing, nothing's 1:13:10.733 --> 1:13:12.333 going to change regarding that. 1:13:12.693 --> 1:13:14.693 Will you say change? You say change is bad. I'm 1:13:14.693 --> 1:13:17.173 saying the I mean that the freed slaves wouldn't necessarily 1:13:17.213 --> 1:13:18.813 thought the end of slavery was a bad thing. They 1:13:18.853 --> 1:13:19.853 probably thought it was a good thing. 1:13:21.493 --> 1:13:26.293 Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I mean, I'll 1:13:26.333 --> 1:13:29.053 only speak obviously for when you. 1:13:29.053 --> 1:13:31.813 Spoke about the people at Burg about they're new to 1:13:31.933 --> 1:13:35.013 New Zealand, are you someone that was new to New Zealand. 1:13:36.333 --> 1:13:40.493 Then I was born here, race here, so you know, 1:13:40.573 --> 1:13:44.133 I know my great grandparents, so three or four generations, 1:13:44.213 --> 1:13:50.213 and so I'm not sure what the indigenous people think, Mario. 1:13:50.213 --> 1:13:52.693 I mean, they've got their own flag, whether they would 1:13:52.773 --> 1:13:55.933 prefer their flag to beat the New Zealand flag. But 1:13:56.453 --> 1:13:58.413 I like our I like our flag and it's not 1:13:59.053 --> 1:14:00.213 going to change, I hope. 1:14:00.813 --> 1:14:03.933 Okay, nice to hear from you, Terry, Thank you, George, Marcus. 1:14:03.973 --> 1:14:07.013 Good evening, Marcus. 1:14:09.013 --> 1:14:11.013 I was thinking about the flag. I'm actually during the 1:14:11.173 --> 1:14:14.013 during the Rifferringdom last time, I was actually, for some reason, 1:14:14.053 --> 1:14:15.733 I was quite obsessed with the riff of the red Peak. 1:14:16.533 --> 1:14:18.973 Well, and that came from nowhere and it looks it 1:14:19.013 --> 1:14:20.333 looked great, but I don't like it now. 1:14:21.733 --> 1:14:22.853 Yeah, no, I kind of get this. 1:14:23.053 --> 1:14:23.613 I know what you mean. 1:14:23.653 --> 1:14:25.813 I think maybe if the top parts are the same color, 1:14:26.133 --> 1:14:27.853 it would be a bit more tolerable. But also I 1:14:27.973 --> 1:14:30.413 think if we've chosen it, you wouldn't think twice about it. 1:14:30.613 --> 1:14:31.493 There's blue well. 1:14:31.613 --> 1:14:31.973 I just. 1:14:34.333 --> 1:14:35.733 So for those who know the Red Peak, there's a 1:14:35.773 --> 1:14:37.333 red triangle in the middle of the bottom and there's 1:14:37.333 --> 1:14:40.173 a white stripe and the top corners. One's red, ones. 1:14:40.013 --> 1:14:44.253 Blue, and I think maybe that's where they went wrong. 1:14:44.533 --> 1:14:49.453 It's a bit two ones, the mountain ones the sky. Yeah, 1:14:49.453 --> 1:14:51.733 I think I might dislike it quite strongly now. 1:14:53.133 --> 1:14:54.653 Yeah, yeah, you think you'd be regretting it? 1:14:55.253 --> 1:14:55.453 Yeah? 1:14:55.653 --> 1:14:56.933 Do you think we would have just got used to it? 1:14:57.173 --> 1:14:58.973 I think it was a real product of its time 1:14:59.213 --> 1:15:02.973 and looking you know, true, And I think there are 1:15:03.053 --> 1:15:05.413 people that are designers that you know, there are great 1:15:05.453 --> 1:15:09.613 designers that know that know what something that's going to 1:15:09.733 --> 1:15:12.293 test to stand the test of times. And I think 1:15:13.013 --> 1:15:15.413 even they thought the red peak, but when they hated 1:15:15.453 --> 1:15:17.453 the silver fern ones but also thought the red peak 1:15:17.533 --> 1:15:19.493 was probably a bit questionable. 1:15:20.213 --> 1:15:20.413 Yeah. 1:15:20.693 --> 1:15:23.373 Yeah, the silver the silver fern is just it's trite. 1:15:23.373 --> 1:15:27.733 A lot of our symbols. I'm tired of them, for sure. 1:15:27.893 --> 1:15:29.773 I don't know. I don't know what you do about it. 1:15:30.013 --> 1:15:31.973 I was having an idea if we did do another vote, 1:15:32.253 --> 1:15:34.493 you do the design and black and white, and then 1:15:34.493 --> 1:15:36.933 you get to choose three colors below, and then you 1:15:37.093 --> 1:15:39.813 just combine the two votes together and boom, so everyone, 1:15:39.893 --> 1:15:42.053 maybe you don't get the design you want, but maybe 1:15:42.093 --> 1:15:44.093 you get your colors. If we had to do it. 1:15:47.613 --> 1:15:48.013 Your people. 1:15:48.093 --> 1:15:51.133 Yeah, do you think do you think often about changing it? 1:15:53.053 --> 1:15:54.813 I can't say. But when i'm watching you know, when 1:15:54.813 --> 1:15:57.293 I'm watching the cycling and it's you know, it's like 1:15:57.453 --> 1:16:00.293 two pixels high and two pixels white, I can definitely 1:16:00.373 --> 1:16:03.893 see the floor. But I live in Australia. No one 1:16:03.933 --> 1:16:05.973 hears thinking about changing their flag. They're not worried that 1:16:06.013 --> 1:16:07.293 they looks like our flag. 1:16:08.413 --> 1:16:11.213 Tell you that much, but yeah, that happens from time 1:16:11.293 --> 1:16:14.213 to time, and they, I mean, yeah, Albernize has been 1:16:14.773 --> 1:16:16.893 been right to be quiet about the republic because ify 1:16:16.973 --> 1:16:18.893 so often you get a prime minister like Keating he 1:16:19.053 --> 1:16:21.013 was a mad Republican. I'm not mad republic. It's a 1:16:21.013 --> 1:16:23.293 good idea, but you know, it's tough to get across 1:16:23.413 --> 1:16:24.013 the line, isn't it. 1:16:25.773 --> 1:16:25.973 Yeah. 1:16:26.293 --> 1:16:28.853 I don't even think they've it's not even crossing their minds. Like, 1:16:28.973 --> 1:16:29.573 no one's talking. 1:16:29.693 --> 1:16:32.373 No one's talking about it now, are they not? 1:16:32.533 --> 1:16:36.293 Even if anyone even meets in the flag. They yeah, 1:16:36.293 --> 1:16:36.933 they're not worried. 1:16:37.253 --> 1:16:39.493 Okay, nice to talk, thanks you. No one's mentioning becoming 1:16:39.533 --> 1:16:41.533 a republic. That'll happen too. They always talk about that 1:16:41.893 --> 1:16:43.733 in our lifetime. But no one's going on about that. 1:16:43.853 --> 1:16:53.413 Now that'll be good for talk back. Yeah, get in touch. 1:16:53.493 --> 1:16:58.773 Marcus Still twelve the age old Christians. What she said? 1:16:58.893 --> 1:17:00.693 Winston Peters voted for him twice. He doesn't want the 1:17:00.693 --> 1:17:06.693 flag change. Yeah, well goodness to this caller. Young New 1:17:06.733 --> 1:17:08.973 Zealand is represented by a guy in his forties in 1:17:09.013 --> 1:17:11.893 the tab tell me you voted in New Zealand first, 1:17:11.893 --> 1:17:14.533 without telling me you voted in New Zealand first. Ah, 1:17:16.253 --> 1:17:19.573 love the old zero flag, need for love the flags. 1:17:19.613 --> 1:17:23.653 There a need for change. I haven't got any I 1:17:23.733 --> 1:17:31.573 don't not necessarily know about. Of course they couldn't prove. Yeah, 1:17:31.693 --> 1:17:34.453 that's interesting because geographically they can work out who voted 1:17:34.493 --> 1:17:36.853 for what because they're an electorates. But I don't know 1:17:36.893 --> 1:17:41.133 if they've got any idea who voted for the flag 1:17:41.213 --> 1:17:45.533 according to age. Yeah, I've looked for a breakdown. I 1:17:45.573 --> 1:17:47.533 can't say anything about that. So I'm not entirely sure. 1:17:47.573 --> 1:17:50.773 If people know that the Union jack has got to 1:17:50.893 --> 1:18:00.773 go full stop. I see laser Kiwi flags around. Thank 1:18:00.813 --> 1:18:06.093 you for that. Oh my god. Spend more enormous amounts 1:18:06.093 --> 1:18:08.413 of money on changing the flag. There are far more 1:18:08.493 --> 1:18:12.933 necessary needs for that money. Think what good could be 1:18:13.013 --> 1:18:15.093 done with all that. It was a very small amount 1:18:15.133 --> 1:18:16.493 of money when you look at some of the other 1:18:16.613 --> 1:18:18.453 expenses of the government and you look at how much 1:18:18.853 --> 1:18:20.693 when that was the thing. I mean, people did kind 1:18:20.733 --> 1:18:23.253 of bang on about John Key about it because it 1:18:23.333 --> 1:18:25.253 was just an easy hit for him, twenty six on 1:18:25.293 --> 1:18:28.373 a flag referendum. But you know, in terms of government expenditure, 1:18:29.253 --> 1:18:32.493 it's probably like an hour's spend. I would think it's minuscule, 1:18:34.933 --> 1:18:36.693 absolutely minuscule when you look at some of the other 1:18:36.693 --> 1:18:39.853 stuff they spend money on. So yeah, I don't necessarily 1:18:39.853 --> 1:18:40.933 think it's the rest. You know, if we want a 1:18:40.973 --> 1:18:44.733 new flag, then we've got every right to it. We 1:18:44.773 --> 1:18:46.573 don't say twenty six million there's going to be the 1:18:46.613 --> 1:18:48.733 reason why we don't get it. But you know, I'm 1:18:48.813 --> 1:18:52.493 just my curiosity was whether people it was ten years on, 1:18:52.653 --> 1:18:54.653 whether we get another go at changing it, or whether 1:18:54.733 --> 1:18:59.133 that's that now that people have changed. And what I 1:18:59.373 --> 1:19:04.173 sense from some of the texts is that people are 1:19:04.373 --> 1:19:10.453 terrified of something that could be divisive, and I kind 1:19:10.493 --> 1:19:13.693 of sense that now you get onto a Facebook chat 1:19:13.733 --> 1:19:18.893 and suddenly everyone's got extreme views and they want to 1:19:18.973 --> 1:19:22.853 battle with other people. They want to fight on the 1:19:22.973 --> 1:19:25.733 chardonnays of an evening on the keyboard, just looking desperate 1:19:25.813 --> 1:19:28.933 for someone ever battle with, normally anonymously. It's kind of 1:19:28.973 --> 1:19:35.373 weird that way. The more I think about this, the 1:19:35.493 --> 1:19:38.093 more interested I am that how much the country has 1:19:38.253 --> 1:19:43.533 changed in ten years, that even discussing things like changing 1:19:43.613 --> 1:19:48.453 the flag or something sort of not that serious, people 1:19:48.453 --> 1:19:52.413 are just too freaked out by because they said it 1:19:52.413 --> 1:19:54.253 has been divisive, and they say, oh, well, there's more 1:19:54.293 --> 1:19:58.773 important things like we have no agency or no saying 1:19:58.813 --> 1:20:03.453 anything anymore. It's almost like, as we are citizens of 1:20:03.493 --> 1:20:07.853 this country, we have read it'll say, we're too scared 1:20:07.853 --> 1:20:11.093 to have our say. I think everyone should have some 1:20:12.733 --> 1:20:14.733 chance to have their opinion heard on things like flags 1:20:14.733 --> 1:20:18.333 and stuff like that. Marcus a flag, a black flag 1:20:18.373 --> 1:20:20.653 with four white stars and the white map of and 1:20:20.733 --> 1:20:23.173 it would be great, cheers, Margaret. I don't know that 1:20:23.213 --> 1:20:26.253 you put your shape of your country on it could 1:20:26.293 --> 1:20:28.733 look what a complicated shape too. It doesn't work so 1:20:28.893 --> 1:20:34.493 well symbolically. Marcus the flag offering so far our plant 1:20:34.613 --> 1:20:38.613 a star sign somebody else's Marcus the flag goffering so 1:20:38.693 --> 1:20:41.413 far our plant a fern a star signed southern cross 1:20:41.733 --> 1:20:45.133 somebody else has won the union Jack UK now here 1:20:45.253 --> 1:20:52.013 we go south to north in Oyster, a cow, a wheat, sheaf, apossum, 1:20:52.093 --> 1:20:56.573 a wallabie, a hophouse, a cannabis leaf, a full ranger, 1:20:56.613 --> 1:20:59.333 and a Harley Davidson. Wow, what a flag sums us up? 1:20:59.853 --> 1:21:04.133 Notice no rugby ball? Cheers John. I think we're really 1:21:04.133 --> 1:21:06.053 going to pick one thing for a flag, can't you. 1:21:06.093 --> 1:21:08.493 That's I like that one from I can't remember which 1:21:08.533 --> 1:21:13.853 place it was. Oh, chet GPDS check GPT checkbots done 1:21:13.853 --> 1:21:19.093 another one for us, which I'm loving. Not I'm loving 1:21:19.133 --> 1:21:25.253 how bad they are. We asked for a second flag 1:21:25.293 --> 1:21:26.853 of chet geep. It's quite hard. It takes a long 1:21:26.893 --> 1:21:28.733 time for jet GPT do anything now because there's so 1:21:28.813 --> 1:21:32.893 much demand on it. I quite like that. But it's wacky, 1:21:32.973 --> 1:21:39.653 isn't it. It's flip it's wacky. Doesn't like keep men 1:21:39.733 --> 1:21:41.533 do logo. But it looks like someone's put a line 1:21:41.573 --> 1:21:48.333 through it. Posted that put on Facebook with a new 1:21:48.733 --> 1:21:50.333 and you don't edit on put us a new. Well, 1:21:50.333 --> 1:21:53.533 we'll drive some more traffic. Get in touch. One name 1:21:53.573 --> 1:21:55.533 is Marcus. Welcome here to go, oh eight hundred and 1:21:55.573 --> 1:21:59.173 eighty eight. I'm you need a lot of emails saying 1:21:59.173 --> 1:22:00.893 are you trying to stir up the nation and stuff 1:22:00.973 --> 1:22:07.653 like that. Wow, don't people as we will be another 1:22:07.693 --> 1:22:09.693 state of Australia the future two screek and I think 1:22:09.773 --> 1:22:11.493 last time I had talk about most people want us 1:22:11.533 --> 1:22:16.333 to be a state of Australia, I thought they thought, well, 1:22:16.493 --> 1:22:20.133 we're all going to end up there anyway. And it 1:22:20.213 --> 1:22:26.333 seems more chilled out. Laser flag has staying power. No 1:22:26.493 --> 1:22:30.253 referendum put it through under urgency, So there we go 1:22:30.293 --> 1:22:32.173 if you want to be in touch. Oh, eight hundred eighty, 1:22:32.253 --> 1:22:34.893 ten eighty. Also the Greens announcing the train to Todonga, 1:22:35.333 --> 1:22:37.013 it's not hard to do, they say, it's two years. 1:22:37.013 --> 1:22:41.413 All you've got to is build platforms probably for longer trains. 1:22:41.413 --> 1:22:43.533 I think some of the passenger platforms were taken away 1:22:43.533 --> 1:22:45.653 when they stopped that train going in two thousand and one. 1:22:47.533 --> 1:22:49.973 But yeah, it's just platforms to be a few stations probably. 1:22:50.133 --> 1:22:52.853 I think they said Waharoa Matamato. There we go through Mama, 1:22:52.893 --> 1:22:56.653 Moronsville and Todonga. It's a situation they're getting touch Marcus 1:22:56.693 --> 1:23:01.053 till twelve. As I say, oh, eight hundred eighty eight, 1:23:01.093 --> 1:23:02.773 ten eighty looking forward to what you've got to say. 1:23:02.933 --> 1:23:06.173 Wednesday feels like Thursday. What's that about? Don't know what 1:23:06.453 --> 1:23:08.013 day feels like, a different day to what it is. 1:23:10.333 --> 1:23:15.213 I wonder if John Key regrets it. They're referendum. I'm 1:23:15.213 --> 1:23:18.893 talking about good evening, Kevin. It's Marcus welcome. 1:23:23.173 --> 1:23:27.813 They're talking about trains and stuffay New Zealand and they 1:23:27.893 --> 1:23:31.413 want to go sorry, and they want to go to 1:23:31.533 --> 1:23:36.133 Tower to Aukland and stuff like that, but we can 1:23:36.213 --> 1:23:38.733 only go from Mappy to Gisbone because they've got washed 1:23:38.733 --> 1:23:43.653 there years ago. I don't think New Zealand keys too much. 1:23:43.733 --> 1:23:48.733 Betans Well, I guess they might care about it if 1:23:48.733 --> 1:23:51.253 they get stuck in grid looking the cars aren't going anywhere, 1:23:51.253 --> 1:23:53.173 which seems to be happening in par longer because it's 1:23:53.253 --> 1:23:55.773 jam packed most of the time. It seems everyone. Every 1:23:55.813 --> 1:23:58.133 time I talk to people there, they say driving around 1:23:58.173 --> 1:23:58.973 there is a nightmare. 1:24:00.253 --> 1:24:01.093 You haven't heard about that. 1:24:01.493 --> 1:24:03.093 So it must get to a stage you think, actually, 1:24:03.093 --> 1:24:05.213 I can't we bother go to Auckland. I'll get the train. 1:24:06.813 --> 1:24:11.053 Well, I live in Wakefield and Nelson and one hundred 1:24:11.133 --> 1:24:13.653 years ago there was a train trick. But there's no 1:24:13.893 --> 1:24:17.413 transmit the south, there's nothing, or there's the main trunk line, 1:24:17.613 --> 1:24:19.933 they call it the main truck, but you can't go 1:24:20.013 --> 1:24:24.413 from city to city or anywhere like that. A geographical 1:24:26.013 --> 1:24:28.373 problem with New zealand's there's too mountains. 1:24:30.053 --> 1:24:33.773 Yeah, it's but if you look at the example of 1:24:33.973 --> 1:24:42.013 Auckland and Hamilton and to Auckland's the biggest city, Hamilton's 1:24:42.613 --> 1:24:48.573 grow So those three places are growing incredibly quickly and 1:24:48.613 --> 1:24:49.693 they've got a huge population. 1:24:51.933 --> 1:24:53.893 And I don't really care about it, or I don't 1:24:53.933 --> 1:24:55.973 care about or called Hamilton and terro No. 1:24:56.053 --> 1:24:58.253 But that's what we are talking because the Greens have 1:24:58.373 --> 1:25:01.093 proposed because there's a train now that goes Auckland to 1:25:01.173 --> 1:25:04.373 Hamilton and now they're proposing to get that to go 1:25:04.453 --> 1:25:05.453 to totong as well. 1:25:07.373 --> 1:25:09.853 So is that going to take fifteen years to do that? 1:25:10.253 --> 1:25:12.813 Because things are so slow in New Zealand it takes 1:25:12.933 --> 1:25:14.213 forever to do anything. 1:25:14.533 --> 1:25:16.413 Well, you don't care about it, but it's going to 1:25:16.453 --> 1:25:19.173 take two years because if they get the go ahead, 1:25:19.213 --> 1:25:22.253 because the line is already there, obviously freight all goes 1:25:22.253 --> 1:25:24.613 out of the port of Todonger, so it's a very 1:25:25.173 --> 1:25:27.133 busy train line for freight. 1:25:30.173 --> 1:25:34.453 But the problem with New Zealand most of our train lines, 1:25:34.573 --> 1:25:38.053 if you see, you know a lot about trains, is 1:25:38.133 --> 1:25:42.813 only we haven't got two through train tracks beside each other. 1:25:43.533 --> 1:25:44.493 It's just one track. 1:25:45.373 --> 1:25:47.733 Well, there are passing loops and I think they're trying 1:25:47.853 --> 1:25:50.853 to get that between into Auckland. Now there's going to 1:25:50.853 --> 1:25:53.733 be two lines. So the passenger trains have a designated 1:25:53.813 --> 1:25:54.453 line as well. 1:25:56.133 --> 1:25:57.893 Okay, okay, So I mean. 1:25:58.613 --> 1:26:01.013 The trum pet it's out was quick. Obviously there'd be 1:26:01.093 --> 1:26:03.573 more priority for the passengers because they're in more of 1:26:03.613 --> 1:26:05.973 a hurry than the containers of stuff that people have 1:26:06.013 --> 1:26:06.733 brought from demo. 1:26:08.733 --> 1:26:10.493 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 1:26:10.613 --> 1:26:10.853 True. 1:26:11.413 --> 1:26:13.333 As far as the whole Nelson trained thing, that was 1:26:13.413 --> 1:26:15.893 always I don't even know where they are planning to 1:26:15.973 --> 1:26:18.773 go with those trains, but it was a bit of 1:26:18.813 --> 1:26:20.013 a pie It was a bit of a pie in 1:26:20.053 --> 1:26:21.173 the sky plan, wasn't it. 1:26:22.453 --> 1:26:22.653 Yeah. 1:26:22.973 --> 1:26:24.693 I don't know, I don't know. I don't even know 1:26:24.693 --> 1:26:26.253 how they're going to connect with the main network. 1:26:27.933 --> 1:26:30.613 You'll send the New Zealand might find. 1:26:30.373 --> 1:26:34.813 That you're quite negative at the moment, are you. 1:26:36.173 --> 1:26:39.413 Oh, I know everything's been canceled and stopped and you 1:26:39.533 --> 1:26:43.493 can't even hop on a train from making Warrington, you know, 1:26:44.173 --> 1:26:47.053 and everyone used to use it years ago. But everyone's 1:26:47.093 --> 1:26:51.533 got cows, that's right. Yeah, so those caws because it's quicker, 1:26:51.653 --> 1:26:53.373 more efficient and it's better. 1:26:55.493 --> 1:26:58.853 Anyway, Maybe maybe people will lose their love of cars. 1:26:58.933 --> 1:27:01.293 Maybe be a situation because who knows what's going to 1:27:01.333 --> 1:27:02.333 happen in twenty years time. 1:27:02.653 --> 1:27:07.493 Oh no, people love their cars. Cars of everyone gets rich. 1:27:08.173 --> 1:27:10.893 The majority of people in New Zealand live in the country, 1:27:12.013 --> 1:27:12.853 all of the cities. 1:27:13.053 --> 1:27:15.533 But remember also too, the our pictures that are too 1:27:15.613 --> 1:27:17.573 old to drive don't want to drive. There are children 1:27:17.613 --> 1:27:19.773 that can't drive. There are people that disabled that can't 1:27:19.853 --> 1:27:22.093 drive as well, So it's a big and tourists that 1:27:22.173 --> 1:27:23.813 don't want to drive in New Zealand because they're not 1:27:23.893 --> 1:27:25.293 used to drive on the wrong side of the road. 1:27:25.773 --> 1:27:28.013 So there are a large number of people, a large 1:27:28.093 --> 1:27:30.453 minority that driving doesn't work for. 1:27:31.973 --> 1:27:35.533 Yeah, and there's also another thing. The other problem is 1:27:35.613 --> 1:27:38.053 New Zealand the bus service is not very good. 1:27:41.973 --> 1:27:43.893 Where was the last time you caught a passenger bus? 1:27:45.533 --> 1:27:45.653 Oh? 1:27:45.693 --> 1:27:46.093 I get the. 1:27:46.093 --> 1:27:51.333 Electric passes and make TN all the time together? Nelson, Yeah, sure, yeah, 1:27:51.493 --> 1:27:53.933 but there's one there's one thing in New Zealand that's missing. 1:27:54.733 --> 1:27:58.533 Every single airport in New Zealand, you cannot get a 1:27:58.693 --> 1:28:04.693 train to go to the city center. Crazy and that 1:28:04.973 --> 1:28:09.013 is crazy because back in nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight 1:28:09.733 --> 1:28:11.853 you can get off, you can get a heath Row 1:28:12.053 --> 1:28:14.093 get we get on the train and go boom you go. 1:28:15.853 --> 1:28:21.093 In the New Zealand, it's it's impossible. Yeah, and that's 1:28:21.133 --> 1:28:23.653 what New Zealand needs. They need to get rail. Looks 1:28:23.773 --> 1:28:29.253 going from airports to these centers. That would make a 1:28:29.293 --> 1:28:31.773 big and it doesn't have to be on the roads. 1:28:31.893 --> 1:28:34.773 What the There's a company that came over and said 1:28:34.773 --> 1:28:39.693 that they're going to put like a are pylons and 1:28:40.053 --> 1:28:45.693 in above the motorways. Yeah, in the music they've been 1:28:45.773 --> 1:28:48.293 doing around the world. It's a company and they came 1:28:48.373 --> 1:28:50.413 to New Zealand, but the government said no, we don't 1:28:50.413 --> 1:28:51.573 want to government. 1:28:51.653 --> 1:28:53.453 I think there's a lot of people cover these pie 1:28:53.493 --> 1:28:55.453 the Skuydeisin. You need to hear from them again. 1:28:58.013 --> 1:29:01.173 Because New Zealand ducts them and they the saying over, well. 1:29:01.093 --> 1:29:03.293 There's nothing wrong with I mean, private enterprise could do 1:29:03.333 --> 1:29:05.173 a gondos if they're going to work out, couldn't they. 1:29:06.413 --> 1:29:09.853 Are not gondles not. I'm talking about pylons for fighting 1:29:10.293 --> 1:29:14.533 Japan and trying on those places they have the rail 1:29:14.613 --> 1:29:18.213 players go on top on motorways well. 1:29:18.133 --> 1:29:25.813 Like a monorail. Yeah, okay, thank you. I don't think 1:29:25.853 --> 1:29:29.933 monor whales even work. This is about when someone mentioned 1:29:29.933 --> 1:29:31.813 the mon around the Simpsons. It seems to where people 1:29:31.813 --> 1:29:33.533 go quite quickly after that one. Welcome on him as 1:29:33.573 --> 1:29:38.573 Marcus Hittle midnight, your negative guy that one day. But 1:29:38.613 --> 1:29:42.773 they had some good ideas. Good evening, Jacques, it's Marcus welcome. 1:29:44.053 --> 1:29:49.853 And a Marcus Hi, Jacques, how are you good? 1:29:49.893 --> 1:29:50.693 Thank you yourself. 1:29:51.973 --> 1:29:52.533 You're not bad? 1:29:52.613 --> 1:29:52.973 Not bad? 1:29:55.213 --> 1:29:56.973 Well so, I just. 1:29:58.813 --> 1:30:01.293 As also a bit of passion in rugby. I like 1:30:01.453 --> 1:30:07.253 a lot of New Zealand people. And I mean I 1:30:07.333 --> 1:30:09.013 was a little bit sad, to be honest. I mean 1:30:09.813 --> 1:30:13.293 I got in it quick and thought that the stream 1:30:13.333 --> 1:30:16.533 marksters all Blacks at the park or fell out in 1:30:16.653 --> 1:30:21.613 two minutes, and you know, a bide to the all 1:30:21.693 --> 1:30:25.893 Blacks website and like, okay, let's get it in there first, 1:30:26.253 --> 1:30:30.533 and they're still think it's available, and it's just it's 1:30:30.573 --> 1:30:33.493 quite amazing that it's not sold out in two minutes. 1:30:33.533 --> 1:30:36.333 I mean a few years ago it would have been 1:30:37.253 --> 1:30:42.253 you know, sold out and I'm just okay, I'm a little. 1:30:42.533 --> 1:30:47.133 To be honest, Jack, you've got a terrible phone line 1:30:47.653 --> 1:30:49.373 and you need to let me talk as well, because 1:30:49.373 --> 1:30:52.133 if you've seen some things. When is the match? 1:30:54.253 --> 1:30:59.573 It's a sixth of sixth of September? 1:31:00.293 --> 1:31:03.093 Okay, can you hear me now? 1:31:03.293 --> 1:31:03.493 Yeah? 1:31:03.573 --> 1:31:05.813 Much better? How many tests are they here for? Is 1:31:05.853 --> 1:31:09.213 it who do to Auckland Hamilton? 1:31:10.893 --> 1:31:13.413 It's Auckland and Willington nothink? 1:31:14.173 --> 1:31:16.293 Has it any talk of the caliber of the team 1:31:16.333 --> 1:31:18.453 they've seen, because I know where I am up in 1:31:18.573 --> 1:31:20.853 Dunedin there was a French team coming, but they've seen 1:31:20.893 --> 1:31:23.253 this sitting a B team, so I have zero interest. 1:31:24.173 --> 1:31:26.093 Is it going to be the it? Is it going 1:31:26.173 --> 1:31:27.813 to be a top out? Is it going to be 1:31:27.853 --> 1:31:28.973 the top South African team? 1:31:30.373 --> 1:31:30.613 Well? 1:31:31.293 --> 1:31:34.053 The thing is I'm not one hundred percent sure. But 1:31:34.173 --> 1:31:36.813 it's not just before the World Cup. So what I'm 1:31:36.893 --> 1:31:41.453 thinking as is Russi Rasmus got a different plan at 1:31:41.493 --> 1:31:44.813 the moment. Is like not love the past where they 1:31:45.773 --> 1:31:47.573 prepared for the World Cup, but they want to win. 1:31:48.453 --> 1:31:52.173 They want to hi win percentage of Test matches yep, 1:31:52.413 --> 1:31:55.653 so what I like god feeling is that they are 1:31:55.813 --> 1:31:58.453 going to send their best team and they're going to 1:31:58.493 --> 1:32:01.293 break the All Backs record of beating them. 1:32:01.173 --> 1:32:01.733 On in the past. 1:32:01.813 --> 1:32:03.733 Okay, so that's a pinnacle match. It's the even part 1:32:03.853 --> 1:32:06.093 to get rid of that. It's the best, it's the world. 1:32:06.533 --> 1:32:08.653 Are they successive world champs? So they went to in 1:32:08.693 --> 1:32:08.933 a row? 1:32:10.973 --> 1:32:11.173 Yeah? 1:32:11.493 --> 1:32:14.853 Yes, yes for this Okay, Okay, Now I think you 1:32:15.333 --> 1:32:16.613 think how much your tickets? 1:32:16.653 --> 1:32:20.533 By the way, well I bought a ticket for ninety dollars. 1:32:21.493 --> 1:32:23.213 It is surprising because you think that would be the 1:32:23.253 --> 1:32:25.773 pinnacle rugby match in New Zealand's biggest city. But I 1:32:25.813 --> 1:32:29.893 will ask you one thing, Jacques, Yes, do you think 1:32:29.933 --> 1:32:31.973 people prefer watching it at home? Now they've all got 1:32:32.013 --> 1:32:34.853 these giant TV screens? I mean, the coverage is so good? 1:32:35.333 --> 1:32:37.133 Is it better to watch the game at home because 1:32:37.133 --> 1:32:37.853 you can see more? 1:32:39.773 --> 1:32:39.973 You know? 1:32:40.173 --> 1:32:44.533 I It's absolutely true. I think, like I mentioned before, 1:32:44.693 --> 1:32:50.613 it's like, you know, if I hear that the screen 1:32:50.733 --> 1:32:54.933 box are playing the All Blacks in the New Zealand 1:32:55.373 --> 1:32:59.893 or in South Africa, I'm I'm gonna try my best, 1:33:00.853 --> 1:33:06.213 you know too, especially at Innand Park, the world top team. 1:33:07.093 --> 1:33:11.133 I guess I'm a bit more invested because I'm South African, 1:33:11.573 --> 1:33:16.053 I guess. And it's not been day great for the 1:33:16.173 --> 1:33:20.253 New Jell fans with the love of rugby anymore. But 1:33:21.053 --> 1:33:23.893 I mean maybe I'm just with more investment in this game. 1:33:23.973 --> 1:33:27.413 It's just you know, it's such a good rivalry and. 1:33:27.693 --> 1:33:29.333 Yeah, no, it's a great I think you make an 1:33:29.333 --> 1:33:31.533 extremely good point is to come in apart from the 1:33:31.573 --> 1:33:34.093 British Lions, would be another match that people would get 1:33:34.173 --> 1:33:36.613 up for because of a history there. To me, that's 1:33:36.653 --> 1:33:41.453 the pinnacle. Absolutely, I'm really surprised you will talk more 1:33:41.493 --> 1:33:43.573 about that, Thank you. Why wouldn't it sell out? 1:33:45.973 --> 1:33:46.493 How long is it? 1:33:46.813 --> 1:33:47.973 How long a tickets beyond sale? 1:33:47.973 --> 1:33:51.613 For Jacques Well, I think they started on the if 1:33:51.653 --> 1:33:54.733 you if you apply to the All Blacks dot com 1:33:55.373 --> 1:33:58.013 it started on the second or the third, and then 1:33:58.093 --> 1:34:01.173 I think I went to the public on sale on 1:34:01.293 --> 1:34:09.133 the Semmer something on that. But I'm just very very yeah, ye. 1:34:09.213 --> 1:34:11.453 I am too, because certainly you think they would they 1:34:11.493 --> 1:34:19.213 would say out overnight, Edison, it's Marcus welcome. Hello, Yeah, Hi, 1:34:19.253 --> 1:34:20.293 it's Marcus. Good evening. 1:34:21.333 --> 1:34:22.093 Hey, it's Edison. 1:34:22.133 --> 1:34:23.973 How are you think I am calling? 1:34:24.053 --> 1:34:28.973 And regarding the infrastructure. Yeah, a topic am and information. 1:34:30.453 --> 1:34:33.373 I just thought i'd am Yeah, I guess say that 1:34:33.653 --> 1:34:37.093 the Greens proposal for the trains. I'm currently driving back 1:34:37.093 --> 1:34:40.013 from Auckland to Tylan. I do the trip twice a week. 1:34:40.293 --> 1:34:44.373 A commute U and a train would be lovely. 1:34:44.493 --> 1:34:45.773 But the problem that. 1:34:45.853 --> 1:34:48.533 New Zealand has is infrastructures. I work around the industry 1:34:49.093 --> 1:34:52.893 and delivery capability is something New Zealand lack. So we 1:34:53.013 --> 1:34:55.293 own attract the offical capital to be able to achieve 1:34:55.613 --> 1:34:57.333 a lot of these things. I guess it's a nice 1:34:57.413 --> 1:35:02.453 idea a but just well we haven't proven at all, 1:35:02.653 --> 1:35:06.053 and that that infrastructure something kind of what are that 1:35:06.693 --> 1:35:09.333 highlight a lot of it that recently happened where no 1:35:09.453 --> 1:35:12.333 activity was done that it's not duetial next year in 1:35:12.573 --> 1:35:15.653 June and government will change and start the whole thing again. 1:35:16.373 --> 1:35:19.093 So or the elections will come up and people will 1:35:19.653 --> 1:35:23.293 change the topics of what's happened. The promise isn't there 1:35:23.413 --> 1:35:28.253 for the government commitment. They are two large players to 1:35:28.333 --> 1:35:30.773 come into New Zealand to be able to actually help 1:35:30.853 --> 1:35:31.933 deliver these projects. 1:35:32.213 --> 1:35:36.653 If that makes sense, you would know you infrastructure would 1:35:36.693 --> 1:35:37.693 be required. 1:35:39.733 --> 1:35:41.973 Well, you can't have their train line, especially with the 1:35:42.053 --> 1:35:47.013 okudaport coming at and am entinally building that. You'd be 1:35:47.093 --> 1:35:50.053 optimistic if you could run multiple trains and commutes at 1:35:50.053 --> 1:35:51.853 the same time. You've moved in that much freight to the. 1:35:51.933 --> 1:35:56.413 Port, well they'd be passing send afraid. The only infrastructure 1:35:56.533 --> 1:35:59.973 talking about is the you've got to build passenger platforms 1:36:00.053 --> 1:36:03.373 at the three stations in between tot On because trains 1:36:03.413 --> 1:36:08.733 did go there till two thousand and one. Yeah, so 1:36:08.893 --> 1:36:11.493 the infrastructure, I mean the rails are largely there. 1:36:13.453 --> 1:36:15.493 Yeah, but you don't it's a forty minute how a 1:36:15.573 --> 1:36:18.493 commute with the current time frames coming through like it's 1:36:18.893 --> 1:36:22.853 a very driveable commute for kiwis. So you get some transport, 1:36:22.893 --> 1:36:26.413 but you don't really have the commutable Like you've got 1:36:26.573 --> 1:36:30.813 definitely a location of living. I am purvis at Hamilton 1:36:30.853 --> 1:36:33.133 and you could commute there the other way, but there's 1:36:33.173 --> 1:36:35.693 not real a large amount of traffic coming through there. 1:36:35.733 --> 1:36:38.573 I never get caught and training together. I am coming 1:36:38.653 --> 1:36:41.413 in back and forth in Aubland for no matter what 1:36:41.493 --> 1:36:41.973 time of day. 1:36:42.813 --> 1:36:44.533 Yeah, but I mean, you know the way the growth 1:36:44.573 --> 1:36:46.733 is going, give it ten years. You've got a plan 1:36:47.453 --> 1:36:49.613 nice to hear from. You keep those texts coming through 1:36:49.613 --> 1:36:51.933 if you've got anything to add. Just where people are 1:36:51.973 --> 1:36:55.693 with the whole flag thing. I only mentioned because it's 1:36:55.693 --> 1:36:58.573 been ten years and no one's mentioned it since I'm thinking, well, actually, 1:36:58.613 --> 1:37:01.133 what's the situation there? Are you too scared of change? 1:37:01.133 --> 1:37:04.733 You've been freaked out because most people wanted a new flag, 1:37:05.853 --> 1:37:07.733 but they didn't want the new flag that was suggested 1:37:07.773 --> 1:37:09.973 because I had the silver fern and people thought that 1:37:10.253 --> 1:37:15.333 looked like a logo. But yeah, just because something doesn't 1:37:15.333 --> 1:37:16.893 work once, it doesn't mean you can't give another go. 1:37:19.613 --> 1:37:22.133 I'm not saying I'm advocating for a change of flag, 1:37:22.213 --> 1:37:24.573 but I'm curious to know where people are or are 1:37:24.653 --> 1:37:29.213 we that country now that can't do anything? Remember there 1:37:29.253 --> 1:37:30.933 at the start, we gave women the vote before anyone else, 1:37:30.973 --> 1:37:42.733 and now look where we are cheapers. So I don't know, 1:37:42.893 --> 1:37:45.333 we know what to say, but we're not really looking 1:37:45.413 --> 1:37:48.493 like being the innovator or kind of a world changer 1:37:48.533 --> 1:37:50.773 at the stage, are we. If we can't even think 1:37:50.773 --> 1:37:53.013 about danging something to somemple like the flag, then that's 1:37:53.053 --> 1:37:54.933 to worry. But yeah, you might want to mention that 1:37:57.293 --> 1:38:00.853 and the train I mean, if the train will work 1:38:00.853 --> 1:38:04.693 anywhere to work there, that's the thing, that's the sensible 1:38:04.773 --> 1:38:06.173 thing is that you know, you may as well put it. 1:38:06.533 --> 1:38:09.413 The people are I don't know how good to Loong 1:38:09.573 --> 1:38:11.093 works for too. You don't need people want to go. 1:38:11.253 --> 1:38:14.453 You don't need tourists wanting to go there, do you mind? 1:38:14.493 --> 1:38:18.853 They want to got a hobbitin and probably a stop 1:38:18.933 --> 1:38:22.493 near hobbiton would be a every good thing, and a 1:38:22.533 --> 1:38:26.453 Hobbit train could be huge. Would you make it a 1:38:26.493 --> 1:38:31.813 different shaped locomotive? Probably not? But still were there trains 1:38:31.853 --> 1:38:33.013 in the Hobbit? I don't think they were? 1:38:33.053 --> 1:38:33.373 Were there? 1:38:33.493 --> 1:38:36.613 Probably I didn't go and see it like a train 1:38:36.693 --> 1:38:40.613 in a movie. But yes, I'm joking. I realized that 1:38:40.653 --> 1:38:42.653 weren't trained in the Hobbits. They don't go all sort 1:38:42.693 --> 1:38:45.013 of good. He thought they were trained in the Hobbit, wasn't, idiot? 1:38:46.373 --> 1:38:48.173 Because these days you can't also say anything out to 1:38:48.213 --> 1:38:51.693 humor because people take a serious Oh yeah, idiot, thought 1:38:51.693 --> 1:38:52.653 there were trains in the Hobbit. 1:38:52.773 --> 1:38:54.493 Choo choo ah. 1:38:55.053 --> 1:38:57.693 That's just me. I'm not quite sure what Jacques was 1:38:57.693 --> 1:38:59.813 on about. It seems like that rugby match has sold out. 1:38:59.813 --> 1:39:01.453 I took him at a his word. But yeah, it 1:39:01.573 --> 1:39:06.973 sold out two days ago, did it, And that's when 1:39:07.013 --> 1:39:09.653 the post was made. So that's the situation there. Hey, 1:39:10.213 --> 1:39:12.093 the other thing on a railway and Asia just because 1:39:12.133 --> 1:39:14.733 someone's texted through that. There is a brand new inland 1:39:14.853 --> 1:39:18.653 port proposed for Milton which is going to be a 1:39:18.693 --> 1:39:27.933 big deal. So it's a private enterprise group that's doing it. 1:39:29.333 --> 1:39:32.733 New Zealand's largest inland port has been announced for Otago, 1:39:32.933 --> 1:39:36.453 with a three billion privately funded project expected to take 1:39:36.693 --> 1:39:43.333 ten thousand heavy trucks off the road each year. So 1:39:43.493 --> 1:39:46.253 I don't know if you know what inland ports are. 1:39:46.373 --> 1:39:50.173 Basically what inland ports are is just container terminals and 1:39:50.413 --> 1:39:55.053 also there will be some sort of warehousing there. I 1:39:55.133 --> 1:39:59.013 would think. I don't know what the main goods would be. 1:40:01.173 --> 1:40:03.013 I don't know what the main exports would be out 1:40:03.053 --> 1:40:11.413 of port, Charmers or bluff predominantly presumably a lot of 1:40:11.493 --> 1:40:15.733 it is dairy. But yeah, that's not a bad thing. 1:40:15.813 --> 1:40:19.613 Of ten thousand trucks are off the road every year. 1:40:21.733 --> 1:40:24.053 Although you look at that, it's only threehound and sixty five. 1:40:24.373 --> 1:40:26.333 It's only thirty a day, isn't it sounds a lot? 1:40:26.373 --> 1:40:27.893 But actually it's only thirty trucks a day off the 1:40:28.013 --> 1:40:36.413 road round about. I just make sure it's ten thousand 1:40:36.453 --> 1:40:42.613 heavy trucks, so it's not such a big deal. But 1:40:42.693 --> 1:40:44.413 it'll be a big deal. I don't know well, I 1:40:44.493 --> 1:40:49.333 mean in terms of freight moving it will be so 1:40:49.653 --> 1:40:51.933 this is I don't think it's there's photos of it, 1:40:52.053 --> 1:40:53.453 but I don't know if it will be to do 1:40:53.573 --> 1:40:56.213 with logs either. You wouldn't think in a landport would 1:40:56.213 --> 1:40:59.853 be with log So I'm not fully across what will 1:40:59.973 --> 1:41:05.813 are what will be going. Although Codagin, the mayor, said 1:41:05.853 --> 1:41:07.813 the wider area p use a large amount of forestry, 1:41:07.893 --> 1:41:10.733 dairy and sheep and beef products and the new facilit 1:41:10.733 --> 1:41:13.693 would allow them to be expect exported efficiently rather than 1:41:13.733 --> 1:41:20.133 subjected to bottlenecks. Bottlenecks, there has never been an announcement 1:41:20.213 --> 1:41:22.853 in our lifetime that has great implications for the financial 1:41:22.973 --> 1:41:27.533 viability of the South than this. Although what's interesting is 1:41:27.573 --> 1:41:30.173 at a target chief exec didn't know anything about it, 1:41:32.493 --> 1:41:35.573 which is weird. Good evening, Gary, this is Marcus. Welcome, 1:41:35.613 --> 1:41:36.773 thanks for kicking off the hour. 1:41:37.693 --> 1:41:41.813 Here you go, Matte. Why would we want to change 1:41:41.813 --> 1:41:45.133 your flag last time? Richie mccaur and John Ky cost 1:41:45.213 --> 1:41:50.893 the taxpad twenty six million dollars as a country in 1:41:51.173 --> 1:41:54.573 that good a position that we get will probably cost 1:41:54.693 --> 1:41:56.013 us forty million there. 1:41:57.213 --> 1:42:00.333 Yes, so, but as time goes As time goes on, 1:42:00.573 --> 1:42:03.093 will become more. There'll be less than less countries with 1:42:03.253 --> 1:42:07.053 the Union jack on it, and our will make us 1:42:07.093 --> 1:42:08.013 look kind of backward. 1:42:09.413 --> 1:42:13.173 We can't afford to have a referendum, and there's I'm 1:42:13.213 --> 1:42:15.893 sure there's more important things to be wearing about there 1:42:16.013 --> 1:42:17.173 than changing their flag. 1:42:17.253 --> 1:42:21.173 But but but we're had a democracy. We can change 1:42:21.213 --> 1:42:23.653 all sorts of things. We have those those right, I 1:42:23.733 --> 1:42:25.653 don't know what this ability that the thing is, Oh, 1:42:25.693 --> 1:42:26.853 there's more important things. 1:42:27.493 --> 1:42:31.653 If we don't have the money, have you have? You know, 1:42:31.773 --> 1:42:34.573 it's all doom and gloom every time we've got no 1:42:35.333 --> 1:42:37.773 money for doctor's, no money for heal, no money. 1:42:39.813 --> 1:42:41.933 Yes, but if you look at the amounts that are 1:42:41.973 --> 1:42:44.253 talked about there in the billions, it would be tight. 1:42:45.453 --> 1:42:49.333 I mean, it's hard to argue with what you're saying, 1:42:49.493 --> 1:42:57.133 but I'm sure about the You can say that about 1:42:57.133 --> 1:42:59.573 the people getting the pension when they're when they've got 1:42:59.613 --> 1:43:05.093 billions of dollars in the bank as well couldn't you. Well, yeah, exactly. So, 1:43:05.933 --> 1:43:08.173 so there's huge amounts of money that are going to 1:43:08.293 --> 1:43:11.053 people that's sacred that you can't touch. 1:43:12.253 --> 1:43:14.453 So many of those politicians in parliament. 1:43:15.093 --> 1:43:15.573 It should be. 1:43:15.653 --> 1:43:19.453 Means tested exactly, cheers the guy by. 1:43:19.733 --> 1:43:21.773 But you can do other stuff. I mean, we can't 1:43:21.853 --> 1:43:25.053 just we can't just do nothing if there's things that 1:43:25.133 --> 1:43:28.213 people want to do. I don't know why it costs 1:43:28.253 --> 1:43:30.093 so much either, by the way, I think she'll use 1:43:30.973 --> 1:43:32.693 use computers and things to make it cheap. We just 1:43:32.773 --> 1:43:36.053 go with the because the process was cumbersome and clumsy 1:43:36.853 --> 1:43:39.453 and alienated a lot of people because involved two different votes, 1:43:39.493 --> 1:43:43.213 which I think was expensive. They should have just had 1:43:43.253 --> 1:43:47.013 the Well who knows. Anyway, I appreciate you input there, Gary, 1:43:47.053 --> 1:43:54.013 thank you. But yeah, if you just bring everything back 1:43:54.013 --> 1:43:55.613 to the argument, oh well, how many doctors that the 1:43:55.693 --> 1:43:58.573 government has chosen to spend that percentage of the GDP 1:43:58.693 --> 1:44:04.653 on health. That was a decision they have made. Now 1:44:04.693 --> 1:44:09.693 they could spend more if they chose to, but that's 1:44:09.733 --> 1:44:14.093 their decision. And of course now I'm spending more money 1:44:14.133 --> 1:44:21.453 on defense. But interest about the guy that's doing the 1:44:21.493 --> 1:44:24.893 great the Walk of Fame at Audio wa that's got 1:44:24.933 --> 1:44:29.693 it that was asked twenty five thousand dollars to use 1:44:29.813 --> 1:44:33.053 the same shape stars as the Hollywood Hall of Fame. 1:44:34.373 --> 1:44:36.453 Isn't heone a big fan of that Walk of Fame? 1:44:36.493 --> 1:44:40.093 In audio wa? I mean the guy was nice to 1:44:40.213 --> 1:44:50.893 ring but I don't want to sound uncharitable. But it's 1:44:50.933 --> 1:44:54.493 audio work. It's not Hollywood, is it. I don't know 1:44:54.533 --> 1:44:57.533 if it's Is it a good idea? A walk of fame? 1:44:58.373 --> 1:45:00.373 I know the Victoria Park market at a Walk of 1:45:00.453 --> 1:45:02.533 Fame too, when people put their hands in the concrete. 1:45:05.133 --> 1:45:06.533 But yeah, I'm not quite sure if a beg good 1:45:06.573 --> 1:45:10.173 thing or not. We don't want to dump on the town, 1:45:10.573 --> 1:45:13.053 but they spend some time there. But a walk of Fame, 1:45:15.293 --> 1:45:17.333 I've never heard anyone say they're going to audio Where 1:45:17.373 --> 1:45:20.653 to go to the Walk of Fame? Of course, there's 1:45:20.693 --> 1:45:23.853 statue of Sir Edmund Hillary there also, which seems a 1:45:23.893 --> 1:45:26.813 strange place for it anyway. Of course, even so more 1:45:26.893 --> 1:45:29.373 now because the main highway bypasses Ady where you just 1:45:29.533 --> 1:45:33.733 zoom past it then past whywiter off you go? Why 1:45:33.813 --> 1:45:35.773 couldn't we have a flag refreender at the same time 1:45:35.813 --> 1:45:41.493 as election exactly? But what I think should happen is 1:45:41.573 --> 1:45:44.093 people should just find a flag and start advocating for 1:45:44.253 --> 1:45:47.053 that and start taking long to public events. I'd like 1:45:47.133 --> 1:45:51.453 it to happen organically, and I believe that will happen, 1:45:51.533 --> 1:45:54.093 but no one's come up with one. Of course, there 1:45:54.173 --> 1:45:58.933 is the the ten I dont can tell the flag, 1:45:59.013 --> 1:46:02.133 and also the United Tribes flag that you see around 1:46:02.333 --> 1:46:04.293 a lot, but I don't think they're advocating for them 1:46:04.333 --> 1:46:06.013 to become the flag of New zeal although they might 1:46:06.093 --> 1:46:08.493 be so, I don't know too much about that, but 1:46:08.573 --> 1:46:10.733 you know they are strong from a design point of view, 1:46:11.013 --> 1:46:15.613 beautiful looking things, and much stronger than the other four 1:46:15.853 --> 1:46:21.093 con tenders for our ten year ago flag referenda when 1:46:21.133 --> 1:46:26.413 we had it interesting that someone thought that when they 1:46:26.493 --> 1:46:31.653 put the white feron on the planes of the Air Force, 1:46:31.733 --> 1:46:33.373 people thought it was the white feather and the flag 1:46:33.373 --> 1:46:37.693 of surrender. Never heard that theory last time, evening. 1:46:37.533 --> 1:46:44.533 Kevin Marcus here, when toron Ken had had the referendum 1:46:44.693 --> 1:46:48.933 on the flag, I did one, and you will know 1:46:49.213 --> 1:46:53.733 you probably written those that overseas, all our veteran soles 1:46:53.733 --> 1:46:56.373 that have been buried over there have got a sort 1:46:56.413 --> 1:47:00.133 of fin or a black fern on their edstones, et cetera. 1:47:00.853 --> 1:47:05.173 And anyway, I gave her one of our local MP 1:47:06.453 --> 1:47:11.853 photograph of it our flag and all I did was 1:47:11.973 --> 1:47:17.053 put a silver fern underneath the Union jack, and I 1:47:17.253 --> 1:47:20.973 recommend it is all we need on our flag. 1:47:21.293 --> 1:47:26.933 So tell me, because that's on the graves right of 1:47:27.013 --> 1:47:31.053 our fallen. Does any other flag in the world have 1:47:31.213 --> 1:47:34.293 the symbol the same symbol on their flags on their 1:47:34.333 --> 1:47:34.973 war graves? 1:47:36.533 --> 1:47:40.373 Not that I would be aware, no, because a lot of. 1:47:40.413 --> 1:47:43.573 People say that, But I can't really work out why 1:47:43.693 --> 1:47:45.493 that means it would be on Are you saying that 1:47:45.653 --> 1:47:48.653 the people? Because it's like a symbol, isn't it. 1:47:49.453 --> 1:47:50.293 It is, it's a. 1:47:50.333 --> 1:47:52.893 Symbol, but okay, it's a black line, so I don't 1:47:53.013 --> 1:47:56.853 I'm sure it's not a white one. But the thing 1:47:57.093 --> 1:48:02.413 is you have Australia. It gets me when the rugby 1:48:02.493 --> 1:48:05.533 matches and they're playing based national means and they're flying 1:48:05.653 --> 1:48:10.133 both our flag and here's the Australian one fame as ours, 1:48:10.333 --> 1:48:13.893 except I've got the big star underneath the Union jack, 1:48:14.613 --> 1:48:17.533 and I sort of thinking, oh, wouldn't that be wonderful. 1:48:18.053 --> 1:48:23.413 I've seen people fly and our flag with the many 1:48:23.493 --> 1:48:28.413 years ago, with the silver fanner underneath the Union jack. 1:48:28.693 --> 1:48:31.573 And I'll tell you what, I thought it was great. 1:48:31.973 --> 1:48:36.733 And I gave it to a local politician, the pograph 1:48:37.213 --> 1:48:40.013 to give to John Key and put it in there 1:48:41.133 --> 1:48:47.813 the you know, in the sorting it out, and the 1:48:49.293 --> 1:48:52.813 RSA members that were hanging around me then and all 1:48:52.973 --> 1:48:57.253 looking at it this day, all without exception, thought it 1:48:57.493 --> 1:49:02.213 was the best idea, having a silver fan underneath the 1:49:02.373 --> 1:49:03.053 union jack. 1:49:05.053 --> 1:49:07.493 Yeah, and that's. 1:49:09.853 --> 1:49:12.093 I'm not I'm not, just so you know where I'm 1:49:12.093 --> 1:49:15.493 coming from, Kevin. I'm not a fan of that. And 1:49:15.573 --> 1:49:17.453 I reckon, if we hadn't got if we hadn't got 1:49:17.493 --> 1:49:19.653 fixated with you with the silver foond, we would have 1:49:19.693 --> 1:49:21.133 had a new flag. But three of them had the 1:49:21.213 --> 1:49:24.053 silver foon and they just the silver foon didn't look 1:49:24.093 --> 1:49:24.653 good on the flag. 1:49:24.693 --> 1:49:28.133 I didn't think, Well, I could always see the mary 1:49:33.533 --> 1:49:37.813 to make us lot different from Australia, because I've heard 1:49:37.893 --> 1:49:42.013 so many times that overseas people have taken our flag 1:49:42.173 --> 1:49:43.773 is the Australian flag as well. 1:49:44.093 --> 1:49:48.093 So you're still in favor of changing it then, just 1:49:48.413 --> 1:49:50.053 the silver that's all. 1:49:50.813 --> 1:49:55.773 That's all, yes, absolutely, just to be different from Australia, 1:49:57.853 --> 1:49:58.653 I think the best. 1:49:58.493 --> 1:50:01.373 Thing about that? How about you get chet GPT to 1:50:01.733 --> 1:50:03.573 do a flag for US and feturing a road code 1:50:03.573 --> 1:50:07.093 and think they got anything better with that? Puddon? Oh 1:50:07.293 --> 1:50:08.693 how many can you can? You only do it twice 1:50:08.693 --> 1:50:15.613 a day? Flip? They're playing hard to get, aren't they? 1:50:19.413 --> 1:50:20.853 How much will it cost if you paid for it? 1:50:24.653 --> 1:50:27.933 Apparently a Danish company has been selling can cheeseburger since 1:50:27.933 --> 1:50:30.333 the early two thousandths. It's a good idea, isn't it? 1:50:31.293 --> 1:50:36.653 Take it tramping a can cheeseburger. My name is Marcus Wilk. 1:50:36.693 --> 1:50:38.333 If you want to talk, oh eight hundred and eighty telly, 1:50:38.333 --> 1:50:41.013 all the lines there are free. It might be something 1:50:41.053 --> 1:50:44.253 different you want to mention good. I've done the hard 1:50:44.293 --> 1:50:50.173 work coming up with the topics. But yep, if you 1:50:50.213 --> 1:50:52.053 do want to say something else or talk about something else, 1:50:53.093 --> 1:50:55.253 I don't know what that is. Tonight Trump's gone quiet 1:50:58.293 --> 1:50:59.933 at this time. I'm looking for what Trump's up to 1:51:01.973 --> 1:51:03.293 as he wakes? Does he wake about? 1:51:03.373 --> 1:51:03.493 Now? 1:51:04.693 --> 1:51:07.493 He's meeting the Syrian president and says lifting sanctions gives 1:51:07.573 --> 1:51:15.973 the country chance of greatness? There we go, Oh do 1:51:16.213 --> 1:51:17.453 cardgoing and playing with the kids? 1:51:17.573 --> 1:51:17.773 Fuck? 1:51:17.813 --> 1:51:22.573 What's that game? Five crowns? It's quite good. It's one 1:51:22.573 --> 1:51:26.173 of the few games I can beat them at. If 1:51:26.213 --> 1:51:29.413 you want to give that one a go. It's got 1:51:29.493 --> 1:51:32.613 like five suits. They say it's like Rummy Cub. Well, 1:51:32.613 --> 1:51:35.493 I've never played Rummy Cub. I don't know whether it's 1:51:35.573 --> 1:51:38.693 like it or not. But yep, that's happening it till twelve. 1:51:39.213 --> 1:51:40.453 Good evening, Kelvin. 1:51:41.333 --> 1:51:43.573 Good evening to you, Marcus. How's it going down there 1:51:43.573 --> 1:51:44.373 in the cold South. 1:51:44.813 --> 1:51:47.213 It's been quite mild, but you might get cold to night, 1:51:47.253 --> 1:51:48.333 so I'm hoping here we go. 1:51:48.613 --> 1:51:52.173 Yeah, I rung about the New Zealand flag. Now, first 1:51:52.213 --> 1:51:54.973 of all, I haven't heard anybody call it by its 1:51:55.093 --> 1:52:00.893 correct name. Everyone seems to call us the Union Jack, 1:52:01.933 --> 1:52:04.693 but it's real name, its proper name, is actually the 1:52:04.893 --> 1:52:07.093 Union Union Flag. 1:52:07.933 --> 1:52:08.253 Okay. 1:52:09.693 --> 1:52:11.653 And that's the pattern. How when you're looking at the 1:52:11.733 --> 1:52:14.413 New Zealand flag and the flag poles on the left 1:52:14.613 --> 1:52:18.813 side of it, the very top star and the left 1:52:18.853 --> 1:52:23.253 hand star are both the same size. The right hands 1:52:25.053 --> 1:52:29.013 star is the smallest and the bottom star is the largest. 1:52:30.373 --> 1:52:33.413 So I thought you'd lot to know that maybe, And 1:52:33.573 --> 1:52:37.053 when people who can't see the difference in Australia and 1:52:37.093 --> 1:52:41.293 the New Zealand flag. My goodness. Now, the Australian flag 1:52:41.413 --> 1:52:46.133 six white stars. The New Zealand flag is four red 1:52:46.213 --> 1:52:53.173 and white stars. Okay, so it's pretty pretty easy to do. 1:52:53.413 --> 1:52:55.613 So the bottom star is the bigger one, is it? 1:52:56.373 --> 1:53:00.693 Yep? Bottom one is the biggest one. So when the flag, 1:53:00.733 --> 1:53:02.893 when you look at their flag and the poles on 1:53:03.013 --> 1:53:06.253 the left side of it, the top one, the top 1:53:06.453 --> 1:53:09.413 star and the left star are both the same size 1:53:09.573 --> 1:53:12.933 and right, the right hand side is the smallest and 1:53:13.013 --> 1:53:14.093 the bottom is the biggest. 1:53:15.453 --> 1:53:18.173 How they thought about it is that because it looks good? 1:53:18.293 --> 1:53:20.973 Is that to reflect the brightness of the Southern cross 1:53:21.053 --> 1:53:21.573 in the sky? 1:53:22.493 --> 1:53:25.453 I think you just said it. Yeah, okay, And a 1:53:25.533 --> 1:53:30.093 lot of those island flags might have the Union flag 1:53:30.213 --> 1:53:33.213 in the corner or whatever, and lots of those different 1:53:33.333 --> 1:53:37.133 stars and a circle or what gold stars whatever, they 1:53:38.533 --> 1:53:40.893 sort of representing the number of islands would make up 1:53:40.973 --> 1:53:41.573 their country. 1:53:41.773 --> 1:53:43.773 It's right, yeah, sense islands. 1:53:43.853 --> 1:53:45.773 It's got about fifteen I think it is here. 1:53:45.893 --> 1:53:48.693 Yeah, and the cook line is amazing because they are 1:53:49.013 --> 1:53:54.693 miles apart. You wonder how they even managed to make it. Yeah, 1:53:54.693 --> 1:53:57.293 it's got fifteen white stars and circle. 1:53:57.293 --> 1:53:58.973 You're quite right, Yeah, fifteen. 1:53:59.053 --> 1:53:59.253 Yeah. 1:53:59.493 --> 1:54:02.173 I remember when I was working with a chap from 1:54:02.213 --> 1:54:06.693 the Cook Islands and I was asking him what was 1:54:06.733 --> 1:54:11.053 the Cook Islands called originally before James Cook came along? 1:54:11.453 --> 1:54:13.853 And he said it never ever had a proper name. 1:54:14.133 --> 1:54:19.533 Okay I nelready thought about that. Yeah, okay, No, I think. 1:54:19.453 --> 1:54:21.613 We should do more thinking, James. 1:54:23.053 --> 1:54:23.373 I like that. 1:54:23.533 --> 1:54:25.533 I like I respond to James. Who do you think? 1:54:27.293 --> 1:54:31.293 How many countries have the Union jack in the corner? 1:54:34.053 --> 1:54:38.533 Quite a few. That's a good answer, isn't it. Okay, 1:54:39.333 --> 1:54:43.213 even Haai who's got the Union flag in its corner. 1:54:43.613 --> 1:54:45.733 I like the idea of their country, and you can 1:54:45.813 --> 1:54:47.853 with your magic buttons you'll be able to look it up, 1:54:47.933 --> 1:54:50.413 or you might already know. I like that country with 1:54:50.533 --> 1:54:52.093 the flag and the machine gun on it. 1:54:54.133 --> 1:54:54.373 Yeah. 1:54:54.573 --> 1:54:56.493 I like the fact that you study flags from time 1:54:56.533 --> 1:54:56.893 to time. 1:54:58.253 --> 1:55:00.933 I don't really study them, I just sort read a 1:55:00.973 --> 1:55:02.173 little bit something. 1:55:03.213 --> 1:55:04.573 Do you remember what you voted for? 1:55:07.213 --> 1:55:12.173 I voted for there was one there with the blue 1:55:12.253 --> 1:55:18.173 at the top, but I think the black. 1:55:19.493 --> 1:55:21.213 But then, but then when it came down to the 1:55:21.773 --> 1:55:24.773 our current flag versus the pretender, did you vote for 1:55:24.933 --> 1:55:25.613 status quo? 1:55:26.493 --> 1:55:29.133 Oh no, no, I'd never vote for the Union flag. 1:55:29.213 --> 1:55:32.533 And okay, I don't know said you said, it's so pationate, 1:55:32.653 --> 1:55:34.413 but Mosambique that's got the gun. 1:55:37.693 --> 1:55:42.413 I would never fight for our king either, Okay, good, 1:55:45.373 --> 1:55:49.653 are you going to fight for king and country? Just 1:55:49.773 --> 1:55:50.413 for the country? 1:55:51.013 --> 1:55:54.493 Yeah I didn't, but yeah, but I voted for the 1:55:54.773 --> 1:55:57.253 current flag because just to tell them how awful those 1:55:57.333 --> 1:55:59.693 contenders were with the silver food. Thought they were all terrible. 1:56:00.613 --> 1:56:04.573 Yeah, yeah, well the so called silver food. And I 1:56:04.613 --> 1:56:06.773 don't know how many countries, but there's lots, lots and 1:56:06.853 --> 1:56:10.533 lots and lots, probably another lots as well overseas which 1:56:10.573 --> 1:56:13.693 have silver ferns, So it's not just here and the 1:56:13.773 --> 1:56:16.293 n z or Nova Zelandia. 1:56:16.653 --> 1:56:16.693 No. 1:56:17.093 --> 1:56:20.373 I don't know why that people come fixated on that. No, 1:56:22.693 --> 1:56:24.413 although I don't think other countries have it as this. 1:56:24.573 --> 1:56:26.613 I think it's because we put it on the buttied 1:56:26.893 --> 1:56:28.493 the butter in the early days, didn't we in the 1:56:28.533 --> 1:56:29.213 butter boxes. 1:56:30.613 --> 1:56:34.853 Yeah, the old Canada flag is good, I've always thought, 1:56:35.053 --> 1:56:36.093 and they apparently. 1:56:35.773 --> 1:56:37.453 Did it very quickly too. It didn't take them along, 1:56:37.453 --> 1:56:39.413 It wasn't at I've. 1:56:39.253 --> 1:56:41.293 Actually forgotten what the original one looked like. 1:56:41.453 --> 1:56:45.253 Oh, it's terrible. Dog's breakfast like ours. Yeah, I think 1:56:45.293 --> 1:56:47.293 I think it was a union. I'll ever look at 1:56:47.333 --> 1:56:48.973 it for you, just so I cann't remind you. 1:56:50.413 --> 1:56:54.533 Yeah, and remember what the Japanese flag used to look like, 1:56:57.333 --> 1:57:00.813 but no idea. Well it was a white flag with 1:57:00.933 --> 1:57:03.853 the round orange red sun with the rays. 1:57:05.453 --> 1:57:06.773 That was quite good too, like that. 1:57:07.093 --> 1:57:08.813 Yeah, but they had to get rid of that after 1:57:09.133 --> 1:57:10.333 w W two, the big one. 1:57:10.613 --> 1:57:12.293 We should just ask if we could borrow the one. 1:57:12.373 --> 1:57:15.213 Oh terrible, the Canadian Yeah, terrible. 1:57:16.053 --> 1:57:20.333 It was like it was just yeah, anyway, how about 1:57:20.413 --> 1:57:21.573 the Scottish flag then? 1:57:24.493 --> 1:57:24.773 Love that. 1:57:25.613 --> 1:57:27.453 That's fantastic, the blue with. 1:57:27.493 --> 1:57:35.533 The white cross. Yes, I think it's a bad time. Well, 1:57:35.573 --> 1:57:39.333 they keep talking about it, Scotland becoming completely independent. 1:57:39.093 --> 1:57:41.973 Of Well they've had a couple of votes and come 1:57:42.053 --> 1:57:44.933 quite close, but it looks like it hasn't kind of 1:57:44.933 --> 1:57:45.773 got the momentum. 1:57:47.213 --> 1:57:49.253 But I'm looking forward to when you have your discussion 1:57:49.413 --> 1:57:53.453 in the near future, hopefully about whether we should have 1:57:53.493 --> 1:57:59.093 become a republic or not. But it's thickening to think 1:57:59.173 --> 1:58:01.773 of it. But yeah, we got so many knit with 1:58:02.173 --> 1:58:04.813 listeners out there. They ring up and they say, oh, yee, 1:58:04.813 --> 1:58:09.893 if we become a republic, we won't be in the Commonwealth, and. 1:58:10.293 --> 1:58:12.373 I think in a discussion people just try and muddy 1:58:12.373 --> 1:58:13.613 the waters with misinformation. 1:58:13.813 --> 1:58:17.773 Yeah, well, right now, there's at least I think it's 1:58:17.813 --> 1:58:20.373 fifty six, could be a couple more countries in the 1:58:20.413 --> 1:58:24.213 Commonwealth of Nations, not to be confused with the Commonwealth 1:58:24.253 --> 1:58:27.013 of Australia, but there's about fifty six or could be 1:58:27.013 --> 1:58:29.853 a couple more. And out of those there's about thirty 1:58:29.973 --> 1:58:34.373 five which are republics exactly, and about six six of 1:58:34.413 --> 1:58:37.013 them have got their own monarchies. Yeah, okay, and our 1:58:37.093 --> 1:58:40.333 nearest one in the Commonwealth with its own monarchy as 1:58:40.373 --> 1:58:45.253 Tongua yep. So it's all pretty clear cut, isn't it. 1:58:45.373 --> 1:58:46.773 You know, when you've had a couple of cups of 1:58:46.813 --> 1:58:49.053 tea and the brain's clear, you can remember these things. 1:58:49.893 --> 1:58:51.493 Not to hear from me, Kelvin, sounds like it's going 1:58:51.533 --> 1:58:55.013 well for you, Marcus. What is the Mexicom number of 1:58:55.173 --> 1:59:00.733 carriages a diesel engine is allowed to tow? I've caned 1:59:00.773 --> 1:59:02.493 one eight nine so far. The good thing about living 1:59:02.533 --> 1:59:05.093 adjacent to train tricks for the last resort for relatives 1:59:05.133 --> 1:59:07.493 to want to stay over is especially the long, heavy 1:59:07.573 --> 1:59:13.413 and very noisy two am freight trains. So just a 1:59:13.533 --> 1:59:21.373 word for the whys they are called wagons. Carriages are 1:59:21.373 --> 1:59:24.413 for people. But yes, I never knew that until I 1:59:24.613 --> 1:59:28.173 studied closer. So I don't want to word shame you, 1:59:28.293 --> 1:59:32.053 but that, yeah, they are called wagons. I didn't Yeah, 1:59:32.213 --> 1:59:33.493 so I had ready know. That's a lot? 1:59:33.973 --> 1:59:34.093 Was it? 1:59:34.213 --> 1:59:35.613 Just one locomotival with it two? 1:59:37.093 --> 1:59:40.053 For more from Marcus Slash Nights, listen live to news 1:59:40.133 --> 1:59:43.093 talks there'd be from eight pm weekdays, or follow the 1:59:43.173 --> 1:59:44.733 podcast on iHeartRadio.