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Speaker 2: something slightly different tonight, and I don't necessarily know how
Speaker 2: well it's going to go, and that's fine. Often topic wise,
Speaker 2: these discussions are a leap into the void and the unknown. However,
Speaker 2: so here's what I'm thinking about. Someone rung up and
Speaker 2: asked me how long I've been on the show for
Speaker 2: and I can't know. It's last night, and I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It must be almost a decade. It's gone very fast,
Speaker 2: and so gone very slightly depends. But what I do
Speaker 2: remember is that when I first came and took this
Speaker 2: job on, one of the real big topics that dominated
Speaker 2: for the first couple of weeks was the flag referendum,
Speaker 2: and then it'd be announced in twenty fourteen when John
Speaker 2: Key came to power and he said there's going to
Speaker 2: be a flag referendum, and then in twenty fifteen, which
Speaker 2: is ten years ago. At the end of twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: we had the referendum on the four choices of the flags.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure this is how it goes. It was
Speaker 2: a bit like the America's Cup. But we voted on
Speaker 2: the four and then they had the one that looked
Speaker 2: like the weak big spox that went up against the
Speaker 2: original flag, the one we have, and then we voted
Speaker 2: on that. And if my memory serves me right, and
Speaker 2: all memory is different, we can only remember what we
Speaker 2: actually experienced at the time. It seemed to me that
Speaker 2: there was a mood for change. However, that mood for
Speaker 2: change did not get behind one of the flags, because
Speaker 2: they were all kind of okay, but not a slam dunk.
Speaker 2: Because for a while there was a fifth flag, which
Speaker 2: was Red Peak, which was a trial and if I
Speaker 2: thought Red Peak would be the one, and that was
Speaker 2: ten years ago, and even went on about how much
Speaker 2: it costs twenty six million in the scheme of things,
Speaker 2: It probably wasn't that much money, but those things stick
Speaker 2: huge amount. It for money for a bit of a
Speaker 2: personal vanity project. And I remember doing talkback the night
Speaker 2: the referendum came out and people loved the wheatbox packet one,
Speaker 2: the blue and white and the silver fur. They said
Speaker 2: they would be carrying that. They thought there was a
Speaker 2: sense that that would become the day facto New Zealand flag,
Speaker 2: that people would take that because the Australian flag, the
Speaker 2: New Zealand flag was too similar. I needed that to
Speaker 2: distinguish from the others. Anyway, my question to you is
Speaker 2: it a question. It's ten years down the track, how
Speaker 2: are we feeling about it. I'm not hearing anyone wanting
Speaker 2: to change the flag. Did what that whole thing proved
Speaker 2: that we quite like our old flag? Is that what
Speaker 2: it proved. I'm just kind of curious to know where
Speaker 2: you have settled with this ten years on, because there
Speaker 2: was a huge amount of strong feeling about it. You
Speaker 2: do talk back, people bring up and say, oh hi, Marcus,
Speaker 2: I'm a vex psychologist. I'm a vexiologist. I study flags,
Speaker 2: and there's all sorts of misinformation and pomposity, and people
Speaker 2: told us how terrible our flag was, and all these
Speaker 2: things happened, and basically or a huge amount of concern,
Speaker 2: argument opinion was passed over. When I passed over, was
Speaker 2: passed forth and people discussed this it greatly. Nothing changed,
Speaker 2: But did it change? Did we through all that become
Speaker 2: more accepting of the flag we've got and more at
Speaker 2: peace with it? Or do we still want another go
Speaker 2: at it? Is that? I guess that's what I'm really
Speaker 2: angling for. Now. Is the time now right to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's chuck it in the mix, we want to give
Speaker 2: it a go, we want something different. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: there aren't other issues that are important or more important,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying a decent length of time has gone
Speaker 2: a decade, is it time now to reconsider that? Because
Speaker 2: probably the way to do it would come up with
Speaker 2: a really good alternative and pump it and take it
Speaker 2: to the parties and say, hey, we think this is
Speaker 2: the idea. Can we see if this could be considered?
Speaker 2: So yeah, there you go. It's ten years on from
Speaker 2: the flag referendum, give or take a couple of months,
Speaker 2: although it happened in two tronches, two parts. What do
Speaker 2: you reckon? Are you quite happy with the one you've got?
Speaker 3: Or?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, the lot's changed in the last ten years.
Speaker 2: A lot has changed. We've gone forwards, we've gone backwards,
Speaker 2: We've gone sideways. But yeah, I'm just asking you the
Speaker 2: state of the nation. If you are now quite content
Speaker 2: with it? Was it a situation that people were quite
Speaker 2: intent of it until they're offered a sense of a change,
Speaker 2: and then in fact people started breaking bad in all
Speaker 2: directions and saying, oh, we need this because we get
Speaker 2: confused at the football. I think anyone's ever been really confused.
Speaker 2: So yes, so if we went about changing, how would
Speaker 2: we go about it this time? Because that way with
Speaker 2: a panel that came up with those four things, it
Speaker 2: seems as though they just happened with four things that
Speaker 2: they thought John Key would like because they'd double down
Speaker 2: on the silver fern. So yes, if you've got an
Speaker 2: opinion about that, I'd like to hear from you. My
Speaker 2: name is Marcus. Welcome, Oh eight hundred and eighty Taddy
Speaker 2: and nine to text. What have you got? Do you
Speaker 2: want it? Or is it as it passed? Because they
Speaker 2: said it would be a twenty year once in a
Speaker 2: twenty year chance to change your flag, We're halfway there. Yes,
Speaker 2: a lot of people to it. The laser KEI we
Speaker 2: also and that was the one that's probably still out
Speaker 2: there from time to time. You see that around you think,
Speaker 2: oh well, that's the one of course with the Kiwi
Speaker 2: with the laser coming out of its eyes. What's your thoughts? People?
Speaker 2: A textas says, I think the Kyle lock Would silver
Speaker 2: silver fan flu was sorry. I think the Kyle Lockwood
Speaker 2: silver fan flag was close to perfect. However, the reason
Speaker 2: why it didn't come in was that whilst it had
Speaker 2: the silver fan and the stars on it, it did
Speaker 2: not have the Union jack. And that's the one that
Speaker 2: became sort of widely accept as the wheatbex Box because
Speaker 2: it looked just like it with a fan and the diagonal. Marcus,
Speaker 2: I went to a nassy bar in Thailand. It was
Speaker 2: full of New Zealand flags. Ops, Marcus, we just make
Speaker 2: Australia change their flag. Is there a problem there anyway?
Speaker 2: We should change to fern with black and blue. Think
Speaker 2: the context was that be that stage JK was not
Speaker 2: popular and it was more finger to him. I thought
Speaker 2: John Key was very popular then, wasn't he. I mean
Speaker 2: the probably criticism of John Key is that he did
Speaker 2: not use his political capital to create greater change in society.
Speaker 2: Because the flag things seem quite miniscual. He didn't manage
Speaker 2: to get that over the line anyway, Marcus and his
Speaker 2: in flag is great how it is, leave it alone.
Speaker 2: Would love to change the anthem though, chairs Gill. So
Speaker 2: I'm just asking you not about the anthem because it
Speaker 2: would be a trojan horse type thing, but are you
Speaker 2: happy with the flag? It's been ten years. I'd never
Speaker 2: thought about it till today. I thought, hang about it's
Speaker 2: been ten years. Should we give this one another go?
Speaker 2: To change someone? So I could literally run the idea
Speaker 2: up the flagpole and I might be doing that. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: give us a call. What do you think? Is it
Speaker 2: something that now you're thinking about it, you've got appetite
Speaker 2: to give another go, or you're sick to tired of it,
Speaker 2: sick and tired, sick and tired looking forward to your opinion.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine text. By the way,
Speaker 2: just so I can tell you, the nationwide test of
Speaker 2: the emergency mobile alert system is back on. It's going
Speaker 2: to be twenty fifth of May between six and seven pm.
Speaker 2: That's good. At least it's not doing it during the
Speaker 2: chase there would get people upset. But you're looking forward
Speaker 2: to your calls on the flag. It's almost like nostalgia
Speaker 2: talk about going to the topics of old Brian will
Speaker 2: kick off with you. Good evening, it's Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 4: Hey Marcus.
Speaker 5: I look, it's funny that the flag things always niggled
Speaker 5: me a bit, but I really feel that we need
Speaker 5: a flag that actually is clearly and definitively New Zealand.
Speaker 5: And as much as I love the old you know,
Speaker 5: r S a sort of slurting flag and all the
Speaker 5: rest of it, I think our flag just just just
Speaker 5: disappears into the wilderness, to be honest.
Speaker 2: So you think you think there is a I'll come
Speaker 2: back to what you say, you think there is an
Speaker 2: appetite for change, Well, a lot of.
Speaker 5: People I talk to say that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: we don't we obviously not something you talk about every day,
Speaker 5: but every now and then it comes up and and
Speaker 5: and yeah, a lot of people I talked to you say, well,
Speaker 5: you know that is that our flag is the Australian
Speaker 5: flag for a start, because that I can hardly get
Speaker 5: the difference, and the other colors, the colors and the
Speaker 5: sort of formula of the flags are quite quite you know,
Speaker 5: throughout the old Commonwealth. Now they're still they're still I
Speaker 5: can't I couldn't even tell you how our flag looked
Speaker 5: to be honest, I couldn't even actually I've got a
Speaker 5: rough but but you know, we need something that actually
Speaker 5: clearly defines New Zealand. I'm not saying silber feeling like
Speaker 5: the or blecks or whatever, but but there's got to
Speaker 5: be some sort of combination of all the things that
Speaker 5: define us, you know. And I don't have any problem
Speaker 5: with changing it at all, to be.
Speaker 2: Honest, Okay, really fair opinion, Brian, thank you for that.
Speaker 2: The great example, of course Canada and Japan. I think
Speaker 2: Canada that's quite quickly. Japan I'm not so sure about,
Speaker 2: but great both great flags, striking, striking, red and white
Speaker 2: of course too. Aaron Marcus, welcome, Oh good a mate,
Speaker 2: how are you? Yeah? Good things, mate, good good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm just about the flags.
Speaker 8: I'm not quite sure if we shall expend some energy
Speaker 8: on this canding of the flag stuff. I just think
Speaker 8: we've had the flag for so long now, and I'm
Speaker 8: trying to former out one I was going to say,
Speaker 8: but we've always looked here, We've always looked under the flag,
Speaker 8: and it doesn't really matter how we identify as or
Speaker 8: who we are. It's just our flag and that's how
Speaker 8: we should always sort of well, well I think how
Speaker 8: I think we should always live under it.
Speaker 2: So do you think when we had the referendum? Now
Speaker 2: then people have become more committed to the old flag
Speaker 2: because they voted for it and they fail. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: that we've had our chance. Actually, this flag's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Is that you reckon what people kind of came into
Speaker 2: that whole process thinking.
Speaker 8: Well, I sort of think that. Well, to be honest,
Speaker 8: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't spin my wheels. But none of the new
Speaker 2: designs did either.
Speaker 8: No, No, none of the new designs did either. But
Speaker 8: if you're going to make a flag or build a
Speaker 8: new flag for New Zealand, I don't think there's anything
Speaker 8: better than what we've got to be asked with.
Speaker 2: You, okay, because a lot of those a lot of
Speaker 2: the people that for the Commonwealth had the Union and
Speaker 2: they got rid of Union Jackson got their own flag.
Speaker 2: As they became independent and kind of fought their own
Speaker 2: way in the world, they ditched it. You know, it's
Speaker 2: sort of sort of growing up. I think that's sort
Speaker 2: of what people said.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I get that kind of sentiment, and I don't
Speaker 8: understand that, but yeah, I mean again, integrate a new
Speaker 8: flag like that red flag thing was awful?
Speaker 2: Which one?
Speaker 8: But yeah, what was it called Mountain Peak?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, John Key didn't do that one. Red Peak.
Speaker 2: Red Peak was a late bolter. And then he just said,
Speaker 2: which I thought was quite fair. Let's put that in
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 8: Oh okay, there was four of them.
Speaker 2: There was four of them, most designed by the same guy.
Speaker 2: That involved a union diagonal silver fear on the diagonal, right.
Speaker 8: I just think debating the flag now is pretty sort
Speaker 8: of I don't know, it's superfluous considered what we've got
Speaker 8: to do with a country.
Speaker 2: Although I think you can country is a country. You
Speaker 2: can deal with more than one thing at once.
Speaker 8: Well, we think at what we've got going on at
Speaker 8: the moment, and there's a lot more things to worry about.
Speaker 9: The design about it.
Speaker 2: You can said about anything. I know, I get that,
Speaker 2: and I see they've done that in South and with
Speaker 2: the with the right Yeah, no, yeah, okay, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to remain neutral on this. Adrian Marcus, welcome, Hey there.
Speaker 2: How are you good to hear from you? Adrian Dances
Speaker 2: You're on. I got a busy life going on.
Speaker 10: What are you doing, just picking up some dinner?
Speaker 2: Oh good, go yeah, what is it for? Young?
Speaker 11: Close?
Speaker 12: Very close?
Speaker 13: Good guess lame drass mate?
Speaker 2: What's what's the first word?
Speaker 11: Lamber drass mate?
Speaker 13: See lamb okay, lamb you know lamb madrass?
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 13: You can get like you're creamier versions like lamb coorma,
Speaker 13: but lamb madrass is more coconut, a bit more heat.
Speaker 7: See.
Speaker 2: Look, look how internationally we are as a country. Now.
Speaker 2: We're still with the Union jack on the flag. You
Speaker 2: with your lamb address and the flag still with the
Speaker 2: Union jack.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Well actually so so I'll hit the ball. I'll get
Speaker 13: the ball rolling.
Speaker 10: Eh.
Speaker 13: So a couple of points. I wanted to mention because
Speaker 13: I can go back to my thoughts on what that
Speaker 13: other guy said about how important it is and stuff
Speaker 13: like that. But I'll come back around to that, Okase.
Speaker 13: I'll start with with the I just thought it caught
Speaker 13: my attention to thought, oh why did we do that
Speaker 13: in the first plason? I remember I read a book
Speaker 13: called Into the Jaws of the Dragon by Ron Asher.
Speaker 13: I don't know if you've ever heard about it, heard
Speaker 13: of it. It talked a lot about the expansion of
Speaker 13: the Chinese into the into the into the fishing, into
Speaker 13: the Pacific and things like that. And I noticed, I
Speaker 13: remembered in that book there was a section about don't
Speaker 13: quote me on which guy it was, but it was
Speaker 13: like either the Consulate of the Chinese, whatever you call
Speaker 13: it China, or some other trade minister or something like that.
Speaker 13: John Key had a meeting with and they invested a
Speaker 13: very large amount of money into into funding the flag referendum.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think that's I don't think that's true, Adrian.
Speaker 13: Oh, well, it was in the book and they had
Speaker 13: something some photos of it, and but the giveaway was
Speaker 13: how much they invested into it. So the fact that
Speaker 13: they invested so much into the referendum meant that everybody
Speaker 13: had to go through that and D D D.
Speaker 2: I think it was very clear that money that the government,
Speaker 2: the money came from the I mean, he was a
Speaker 2: prime minister. It was it was government money that funded
Speaker 2: the referendum. There's no doubt about that. But anyway, just yeah,
Speaker 2: well it's a good call because it just shows how
Speaker 2: contiporori the whole thing was. But you appreciate that. Into
Speaker 2: the jewels in the Jaws of the Dragons the book, guys,
Speaker 2: not what I've read. He's done on stock at page
Speaker 2: black while looking at Google, Steve Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 15: Hey Marcus. I'm just on the play thing. I drove
Speaker 15: for a trucking company and I turned up for work
Speaker 15: and here they were sticking.
Speaker 11: Was it a blue and black there was the favorite?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so blue. Yeah, yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 15: Half blue and half black.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Well here they here, they were sticking on the back
Speaker 15: of my trailer. And there's a stick you know, it's
Speaker 15: a sticker and the mountain of abuse. So I got
Speaker 15: from people driving up and down the road. Oh yeah,
Speaker 15: I'm getting the fingers, people yelling in the out of
Speaker 15: the window because they didn't like it.
Speaker 13: A lot of people didn't like.
Speaker 15: Their I hit it on there for three months on
Speaker 15: the back of the truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the four, the four, the four ones.
Speaker 2: Was there a black and white codrou just you know,
Speaker 2: one side white, one side black with the collar. The
Speaker 2: one was just black and white with the four in
Speaker 2: the whole way. So three of them are pretty much
Speaker 2: the same, with the furn going on the diagonal one
Speaker 2: with black and blue and black.
Speaker 15: And yeah, yeah, I know half of it was much
Speaker 15: a light blue issue. You might have been white actually,
Speaker 15: but yeah, I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that the punters didn't like it, Stephen, they're
Speaker 2: tooting at you. I'm looking at the Wikipedia page about
Speaker 2: the flag referendums. I think most people were found the
Speaker 2: whole thing extremely confusing. The first referendum took place twentieth
Speaker 2: November eleventh December. If New Zealand flag changes, which flag
Speaker 2: would you prefer? Voters were presented with several options selected
Speaker 2: by the Flag Consideration Panel. The black, white and blue
Speaker 2: silver fern flag by Kyle Lockwood advanced to the second referendum.
Speaker 2: The second referendum took place between the third and the
Speaker 2: twenty fourth of March. At aspos it should been the
Speaker 2: sleek little turn of the black, white and blue silver
Speaker 2: flag and the existing New Zealand flag. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a situation. But even the Wikipedia page is confusing. Good evening,
Speaker 2: Glennet's Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 16: Good evening. Yeah, I've been an advocate of changing the
Speaker 16: flag for some time because I feel that we are
Speaker 16: a sovereign nation in the South Pacific and we need
Speaker 16: something that I clearly identified as New Zealand. Al tier.
Speaker 16: I'll call it what you like, um, and I think
Speaker 16: it's time to sack the jack. New Zealand has been
Speaker 16: an independent nation cease being at the William of the
Speaker 16: British Empire over seventy years ago, and it is time really,
Speaker 16: So I don't really show any tritem in New Zealand flavor.
Speaker 2: So just look. I mean, I like the expression to
Speaker 2: sack the jack. Have you moved on since the referenum
Speaker 2: ten years ago? Or did you have these feelings ten
Speaker 2: years ago?
Speaker 16: Or have you just yeah, I've had those feelings about
Speaker 16: for about twenty years or so. I haven't traveled a fair.
Speaker 2: But okay, so were you happy? So were you happy
Speaker 2: with the process or did that drive You're mad that
Speaker 2: they wasted that opportunity.
Speaker 16: With such Yeah, I could see how the process confused
Speaker 16: people and infuriated people. I quite like did like the
Speaker 16: the sort of term the Lockwood design flag. Although if
Speaker 16: we do it again, I think it would be great
Speaker 16: to have big mixologists in a national a national competition
Speaker 16: perhaps to see who could have created well.
Speaker 2: I think we needed good designers because it seemed to
Speaker 2: me to actually put your things and you just had
Speaker 2: to go to clunky software, which meant that all of
Speaker 2: them kind of looked the same. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: it should have been a so it should have been
Speaker 2: an online exercise. It should have actually required design. Maybe
Speaker 2: you need to pay designers big dollars to come up
Speaker 2: with something really good rather than hobbyists coming up with
Speaker 2: something that looks like packaging.
Speaker 16: Yeah, but it would have to reflect the fact that
Speaker 16: the fact that we're a sovereign nation in the South Pacific.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes what you know, when you say sovereign nation, what
Speaker 2: do you mean by that?
Speaker 16: A nation that is an independent nation where where we're
Speaker 16: not part of the British Empire or colonized by the British. Obviously,
Speaker 16: we are an independent nation in the South specific.
Speaker 2: So the government, the government has supreme authority. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: fair enough.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean even though we are a common rough nation,
Speaker 16: many other commons not rough nations, have changed their flags
Speaker 16: or individu nations. I know the older generation will have
Speaker 16: strong ties to Britain, perhaps the appearance of British or
Speaker 16: what have you, But I think future generations won't have
Speaker 16: so much about of the bond to the UK.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find what you're saying quite interesting. I'm just
Speaker 2: wondering though, after that, after after we kind of lead
Speaker 2: all that hot air out ten years ago, that maybe
Speaker 2: people aren't as committed to change as they went through
Speaker 2: and just think, oh, well, you know, we tried, we failed,
Speaker 2: let's just relax about it. But you seem as that
Speaker 2: you're still quite passionate.
Speaker 16: I'm quite passionate. Although it's not high on the sapriiti,
Speaker 16: I'm still quite passionate. I'm still welcome to change.
Speaker 2: Because I thought what would happen is that someone would
Speaker 2: design a fantastic fleat that would just start seeing it
Speaker 2: more and more and that would be adept adopted. I
Speaker 2: haven't seen that happen so much, obviously.
Speaker 16: Wondered, Yeah, just at the time John Key was in
Speaker 16: twenty sixteen he resigned from the Prime ministership. I just
Speaker 16: wonder at that stage where the people had had enough
Speaker 16: of John Key, whether it was a the result was
Speaker 16: perhaps the big finger to John Key. They saw it
Speaker 16: more of the sales or marketing exercise there might have
Speaker 16: been that might have been part of it as well.
Speaker 2: I think he would have got back in, wouldn't he.
Speaker 16: I don't know. Well, he did resign at the end
Speaker 16: of twenty sixteen from men.
Speaker 2: And I think per English, you know, if he'd run
Speaker 2: a decent camp, you know, he was assuring to get
Speaker 2: back in, but it just wasn't quite Yeah, okay, well,
Speaker 2: of course remember that peril English. Winston went with the
Speaker 2: Labor government. That was that's right, a minority. They'd pold
Speaker 2: less than national anyway, So yeah, and that was about
Speaker 2: who knows why Winston what Winston did, But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think probably he would have got on that fourth term,
Speaker 2: although probably would have said he wouldn't work with Winston.
Speaker 2: Is that right? Anyway, I'm enjoying the discussion, like talk
Speaker 2: back Nostalgia Evening, Martin, This is Marcus.
Speaker 14: Welcome, Hello Marcus.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm as swimming about the flagg Refferendom. I mean
Speaker 18: when it came up, all the designs that came out,
Speaker 18: I didn't really fency any of them. I really like
Speaker 18: to say we've got but I think the only difference
Speaker 18: we could probably do to it is either put a
Speaker 18: Kiwi on it or the corow to make it, you know,
Speaker 18: New Zealand and Mary well Paquira Mary or English Mary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sometimes I'm just thinking of flags that have
Speaker 2: flags with the Union. Jack and something else I reckon
Speaker 2: they always look a bit bitsy.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, as I said, yeah, I'm very happy
Speaker 18: for I mean one of the main regions that Grismine
Speaker 18: game position. People get confused for the new zoom fag
Speaker 18: and you show you played, Yes, yeah, you're showing flags
Speaker 18: union jack and six stars where the union jack and
Speaker 18: five ridge stars.
Speaker 2: Yes, just look at all the flags that got the
Speaker 2: ones that still include the union jack. Yeah. This is
Speaker 2: the Hawaii I think it's the Hawaiian flag.
Speaker 18: Hawaii straight, yeah, Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Falkland, Falklands. The Cook Islands kind of has a
Speaker 2: flag and a crest that.
Speaker 18: Looks like the Fijis got his.
Speaker 2: Fiji. Yes, Fiji's got the crest and the union jack,
Speaker 2: which looks a bit clunky to me, so does the
Speaker 2: Newaiian one. Is just it's interesting union jacks has got stars.
Speaker 2: That's actually quite good, the Newaiian one, the island. But
Speaker 2: they all the sort of countries that are tex havens,
Speaker 2: like the can and that year.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's that's that is my viewing.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's good, and I didn't.
Speaker 18: Really like any of them. The only thing that can
Speaker 18: make it so that the Marora's not, but you know,
Speaker 18: the natives of new generally be heavy would be put
Speaker 18: a kiwi or the coral leaf on it, or or
Speaker 18: even the silver fin, just to make it stand out.
Speaker 2: Interesting. In the Wikipedia page, it's got the the way
Speaker 2: people voted and according to I'll just see where the
Speaker 2: there are details. Yeah, so it's a very confusing. So
Speaker 2: I tried to say something didn't really come out, but
Speaker 2: there is. You can see according to whether the moldiest
Speaker 2: seats or other seats, how people voted on the flag referendum.
Speaker 2: But it's quite confusing. But I think looking at it,
Speaker 2: Muori traditionally voted for the flag that we've got rather
Speaker 2: than the new one, so they were quite conservative with
Speaker 2: the choice. That's my understanding from the diagrams i'm looking at.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not wrong about that. I've asked GPT
Speaker 2: to design a flag and it's terrible. It's just a
Speaker 2: fern and three it was even three stars. Say we're
Speaker 2: going to ask a design a bit of flag without
Speaker 2: without a fern and stars and actually say we're about
Speaker 2: to just actually unplug you. Good evening, Josh, it's Marcus welcome.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Hey, Marcus. Good evening.
Speaker 2: Good evening here those flags.
Speaker 12: Yeah, what a time there was. Hey look I reckon,
Speaker 12: I reckon, but hey, I reckon. One of the coolest
Speaker 12: things that came out of that was that labe the key.
Speaker 2: We loved it.
Speaker 12: Did you hear the story behind that? The kid explained today.
Speaker 12: I think it was eight year old, and he explained
Speaker 12: it along the line. So he said, the key We
Speaker 12: doesn't want a new flag. So he's developed laser out
Speaker 12: of his eyeballs and he's shooting.
Speaker 19: At the bottom of the new flag. So when he's
Speaker 19: sort of aiming down there, and that's sort of what
Speaker 19: it represents that he he didn't want any new flag
Speaker 19: kind of thing. I thought that was hilarious. So I
Speaker 19: just it wasn't an option obviously because it.
Speaker 12: Was a bit too inventive.
Speaker 2: But hey, I got to say to you, Josh, and
Speaker 2: this is important. It was designed by a woman, Lucy Gray.
Speaker 12: Oh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a girl or an adult,
Speaker 2: but that's what it says on Wikipedia. The laser key
Speaker 2: We flag, originally titled Fire the Laser, was designed in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen by Lucy Gray. She produced the design during
Speaker 2: an evening inspired by the many Dearly Animals in Australia
Speaker 2: took a key wei icon and turned it into a
Speaker 2: dearly animal. She stated she was uninspired by the designs
Speaker 2: is they didn't derive much meaning for her.
Speaker 12: Okay, it doesn't say age or anything.
Speaker 11: Maybe it says a character.
Speaker 2: She says, I believe my design is so powerful it
Speaker 2: does not need to be discussed.
Speaker 20: A pretty good but I you know, I voted for
Speaker 20: our just infect and the reason why I've done that
Speaker 20: is not only the other one sent her, but like,
Speaker 20: I think they were looking for perfection.
Speaker 2: They were cold and they were just just good design
Speaker 2: is good design. You can't just do it on your
Speaker 2: laptop of an evening.
Speaker 12: I do think there are two things that need to
Speaker 12: be on there and channel, and I had done my
Speaker 12: own design anyway, just for fun back then, because we're
Speaker 12: all like playing around. But the silver fern and the
Speaker 12: southern cross, I think they need to be on there.
Speaker 12: So but as the color goes, I'm not sure, Like
Speaker 12: because I was thinking, wouldn't a black flag with a
Speaker 12: white soil fern with white stars look cool? And then
Speaker 12: I thought, nah, actually I don't know sure allowed to
Speaker 12: have a black flag?
Speaker 9: Gay.
Speaker 12: I think there's a bit some rules around it. I
Speaker 12: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There are always interesting enough, and you'll
Speaker 2: find this interesting, Josh. During the Russian invasion of the Ukraine,
Speaker 2: right yes, oh like right now? Yeah, well three years ago,
Speaker 2: whatever they happened. During the Russian vasion of the Ukraine,
Speaker 2: the laser ki We flag was used as a symbol
Speaker 2: by volunteer soldiers from New Zealand. I presume they're fighting
Speaker 2: for Ukraine, so they fought under that flag.
Speaker 12: Oh wow, Hey, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: That's pretty powerful. We have gone to check GPT for
Speaker 2: another flag.
Speaker 15: Dad.
Speaker 2: It's not even a flag shape, is it? Could you
Speaker 2: asking to be? Because I quite like it, I say,
Speaker 2: would you make it a flag shape? Idiots? Tell them
Speaker 2: where I'm well, I don't mind a flag with orange,
Speaker 2: I mean where they think orange was good at because
Speaker 2: they get and then ask them to explain it. Idiots,
Speaker 2: it's not tell them it's not idiot hour. By the way,
Speaker 2: maybe it might be ten away from nine. Enjoying the
Speaker 2: discussion even and enjoying more. What chet GPT comes up with.
Speaker 2: What the rubbish they're throwing our way? No, that one's terrible.
Speaker 2: If they come up with anything else, it's they've sent
Speaker 2: us a square flag. So I put them on notice
Speaker 2: and said, no one in the world's got a square flag,
Speaker 2: and we're not about to become the flag bearers for
Speaker 2: a flat would we laughed out of the Olympics. We're
Speaker 2: getting in two by one version now, Margaret, it's Marcus.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining this important discussion.
Speaker 18: Welcome, hello Marcus.
Speaker 21: No, my.
Speaker 22: As far as the flag's concerned, as long as we're
Speaker 22: a member of the Commonwealth, I don't know that technically
Speaker 22: we're in a position to change the flag, but if
Speaker 22: we became a republic, we'd have to have a new
Speaker 22: flag anyway.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of countries in the Commonwealth
Speaker 2: that don't have the Union jack, like Canada and stuff.
Speaker 22: No, but we have at the moment of a British
Speaker 22: connection on our flag. Yes, and so that it gets
Speaker 22: quite complicated. Plus from the government point of view, anything
Speaker 22: official papers and that have the flag on it all
Speaker 22: has to be changed, yes, and the cost is phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not a problem.
Speaker 22: And I think that if you look up Wikipedia, there's
Speaker 22: a key there and if my recollection's correct, he was
Speaker 22: the one that designed the stars and stripes and I
Speaker 22: think that John Key was on an ego trip.
Speaker 2: Sorrytival, hang the moment you've broken bad what we're saying
Speaker 2: about the stars and stripes.
Speaker 22: There was a person with a surname of Key K
Speaker 22: e Y and that would be an ego trip for
Speaker 22: John Key at that particular time, because I found it
Speaker 22: very difficult that he was not prepared to be supportive
Speaker 22: of Pike River. But at the same time, all that
Speaker 22: money was spent on the flag issue that went nowhere.
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't intend it to go no where. He
Speaker 2: intended to have a referenced them. It was for the people,
Speaker 2: if you did, them to choose what they wanted to do.
Speaker 22: I actually think it was an ego trip for him
Speaker 22: to get into the history books.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, what's prime minister. It's a pretty
Speaker 2: important position. And if you I mean the prisoner of
Speaker 2: John Key was he didn't change enough things, didn't mix
Speaker 2: it up enough. At least he had to go with
Speaker 2: the flag. What's that? We've got the new Ratio flag
Speaker 2: from jet G P t I AI. I check it
Speaker 2: up on check it up on Facebook and ask what
Speaker 2: people think I mean could do that? Do they say?
Speaker 2: Why would they say? What it means ah was I say,
Speaker 2: the orange means honestly, stand down. That's why orange orange
Speaker 2: represents dawn and warmth. If you're living on tetu Win,
Speaker 2: good evening, Peter, it's Marcus welcome A yeah, the Marcus.
Speaker 11: If you actually study both flags of ours in Australia,
Speaker 11: they are a little bit different. So we all know
Speaker 11: we got They got six a week and we got four.
Speaker 11: But I reckon what they should we should have our
Speaker 11: prime ministers have a bit of a chap of their
Speaker 11: prime minister over there and say you change your Union
Speaker 11: jet to white and we'll keep the red and we'll
Speaker 11: have it still keep our white stars. And they change
Speaker 11: all these, change all these to white.
Speaker 2: But if you go to change, you're going to change.
Speaker 2: You may as well change properly.
Speaker 9: Mate.
Speaker 2: You may as well get something that's a bit smarter
Speaker 2: so people take notice of us around the nak Gee,
Speaker 2: what a knockout flag run that dud that we've got currently.
Speaker 2: I thought you'd be very much in favor of change, Peter.
Speaker 2: I thought you're a go get a guy. I thought
Speaker 2: you're the sort of guy that you know gets up
Speaker 2: in the morning and goes out there and changes the
Speaker 2: world for the good. I thought you'd want something striking,
Speaker 2: But you look.
Speaker 11: At the flag. The stars they have, they starts are
Speaker 11: slightly different from ours we have, like we have five points.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so you like what you like what we've got.
Speaker 11: In some ways, I think there should be something on
Speaker 11: the like there's some of the previous schooler said, put
Speaker 11: a kiwi in there. And I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think people tend to have animals on their flags.
Speaker 11: Or something. When we got to think, because our country
Speaker 11: we have two different sort of h people here, you
Speaker 11: could say, so something represents both of us, like we
Speaker 11: in you know, in the Mary side of it, in
Speaker 11: the and the and the and we side of it,
Speaker 11: and like the fucking outside of it. You know, something
Speaker 11: we have that we get a little bit on both
Speaker 11: of the flags.
Speaker 2: You look at some countries like Trinidad and Tobesque, Tabsco
Speaker 2: the just like just a red rectangle with black slash
Speaker 2: through it looks fantastic. Or Jamaica you were seeing there
Speaker 2: at the Olympics, Usain Bolt. You know it's just a
Speaker 2: a yellow cross with black and green in the corners.
Speaker 2: Looks fantastic.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's something something a bit of a combined flag
Speaker 11: because we're thinking of both. I want it because of
Speaker 11: our country. We had that little bit of you know,
Speaker 11: they they want a bit on the of them and
Speaker 11: we want a bit of ours on there. So it's
Speaker 11: sort of like a bit more neutral, so not just
Speaker 11: all a one sided flag.
Speaker 2: Do you know any countries that have animals on their flag?
Speaker 11: Wow? Not right, they haven't studied all the flags. No,
Speaker 11: you're probably right. Yeah, But then again, our key is
Speaker 11: a symbol like in the walls or the aircraft head
Speaker 11: the sometime they see nothing bad of that. It's a
Speaker 11: symbol of the New Zealands of Kiwi Boo.
Speaker 2: I think American Samow has the eagle.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was saying, think they got the eagle. What's the
Speaker 11: difference between symbols of the Kiwi bird? I regon it
Speaker 11: should be somewhere on the I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think we call it the Kiwi bird. Oh
Speaker 2: you got to call it the Kiwi bird.
Speaker 21: Yeah, okay, yep, yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 11: It's a bit of a change. But he wouldn't do
Speaker 11: any harm.
Speaker 2: The key we bird. I think the Boutan flag has
Speaker 2: a dragon.
Speaker 11: Heah or no, or maybe not it's a bit hard.
Speaker 11: You want to go too far like it may be
Speaker 11: a lizard or something on that and a bit of
Speaker 11: a key when a lizard or.
Speaker 2: Something keywien a lizard, oh no or something beau, I
Speaker 2: key in a lizard cheap asp and you're the in
Speaker 2: the famous home of the lizard normally with the lizards
Speaker 2: of people Germans. I shouldn't say that. I forget who
Speaker 2: the last guy is smuggling gecko out of the country.
Speaker 2: But they come and get them in numbers, don't they,
Speaker 2: those harlequin ones? Padam Oh, we've got an angry reaction
Speaker 2: to the flag on Facebook. We've posted the one from
Speaker 2: chat a b Sea on there and someone's furious. They're
Speaker 2: talking broadcasting, stands, authority and all sorts of things. It's
Speaker 2: got to be the worst thing I've ever seen. Get
Speaker 2: in touch yet till twelve looks terrible? Does it even
Speaker 2: still doesn't look the right proportions anyway? Oh, we've got
Speaker 2: a topic people. A lot of people have a lot
Speaker 2: of a joy about this kee wee bird. A lot
Speaker 2: of people want to put a sheep on it. Love
Speaker 2: a sheep. I like a flag shape like a sheep
Speaker 2: and have the legs against the flag pole like a cutout.
Speaker 2: Kept them talking at the Olympics, wouldn't it. Well, I've
Speaker 2: learned something tonight. Quite powerful. Oh gosh, I'm saying about
Speaker 2: pompous hey, it's faux pomposity. People still quite passionate about this.
Speaker 2: People forgot they're passion about it. But people are passionate
Speaker 2: about the flag. I just wonder what's changed in the
Speaker 2: last ten years. Are we more pasionate for change or
Speaker 2: less change? We want a new flag or do we
Speaker 2: want a key we burden a lizard? Brilliant Ross, Marcus,
Speaker 2: Thanks hanging on there forever, Good evening and welcome.
Speaker 23: Hello Marcus. Good to hear from him. Yes, I've got
Speaker 23: two points. I think we should have had civil fern
Speaker 23: on a flag, because if we go over seas or
Speaker 23: anywhere where New Zealand's are fought, their graveyards have always
Speaker 23: got a civil fern on them, and I think that
Speaker 23: would be market on a flag.
Speaker 2: Hang on, Ross. We had the chance for silver fern
Speaker 2: and people didn't want it.
Speaker 23: I know that. I know that, so I don't understand why. Anyway,
Speaker 23: it doesn't matter now it's too late. The other point
Speaker 23: is you watch a flag, New Zealand flag or Australian flag.
Speaker 23: It was a fluttering you don't know which was which,
Speaker 23: so you know, it wouldn't be nice to definitely something
Speaker 23: New Zealand. So everybody's little they need.
Speaker 2: But looking at the great flags of the world, they're
Speaker 2: not necessarily symbolizing. They don't necessarily necessarily have things from
Speaker 2: the country on them. They're more often about just a
Speaker 2: striking bit of design. Like if you look at Japan
Speaker 2: with the rising sun, if you look at America with
Speaker 2: the stars and stripes, they're not really you know, they
Speaker 2: haven't got a bison. They haven't got a bison on it,
Speaker 2: or haven't got a bond side tree on it, have they?
Speaker 23: Mate? But why do our graveyards or in Europe on
Speaker 23: their grave side?
Speaker 2: It's a different thing. That's a symbol that that's a
Speaker 2: symbol from the war that people have used that they
Speaker 2: use to put on graves and probably different countries.
Speaker 23: Part and that New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but different different countries put different things on their graves.
Speaker 2: They don't then think on our grave it must be
Speaker 2: on our flag as well. That's not a slam dunk
Speaker 2: that connection.
Speaker 23: Okay, mate, what about what about a New Zealand Australia
Speaker 23: flair unless you understand one flair, I mean one little
Speaker 23: spar star on it is. That's the difference between two countries.
Speaker 23: And to me in a strutter, you don't know who's
Speaker 23: what country it is.
Speaker 2: Would you be a fan if we became part of Australia?
Speaker 23: No, mate, don't do that to me.
Speaker 2: I don't think you didn't think you would be ru Sorry,
Speaker 2: shouldn't tease you? Two lines free if you want to
Speaker 2: come through Flag Wednesday. I'm looking at a flag now
Speaker 2: on the cycling. Who's that well? I can't see if
Speaker 2: she's Australian. Who's a Williston in the cycling that's on
Speaker 2: the TV? You know she's Australian. Just a little flags
Speaker 2: up there. I can't see where she's from. Good evening, Shirley.
Speaker 3: Good evening, Marcus. Now I want you to picture this,
Speaker 3: or if you're sitting down with a pen and paper,
Speaker 3: I want you to draw something. I'm very very proud
Speaker 3: of it. My husband back in end of two and fifteen,
Speaker 3: twenty and sixteen, he designed a flag. Wow, and now
Speaker 3: draw a square flag and this will please the man
Speaker 3: that just spoke. And then draw from the bottom left
Speaker 3: to the top right a diagonal line right across it.
Speaker 3: The top diagonal is blue with four red stars.
Speaker 2: Surely, I'm just struggling with your radio because it's coming
Speaker 2: and I'm getting into it.
Speaker 3: Right, it's off now. So the top is blue with
Speaker 3: four red stars. The bottom diagonal part is green, and
Speaker 3: there's a brown kiwi in the bottom right hand corner.
Speaker 3: Going across the diagonal line from the bottom left to
Speaker 3: the top right is a silver fern. And we are
Speaker 3: so proud of what we've called it our Jarden flag.
Speaker 3: People going past when I fly it on spiritual days,
Speaker 3: birthdays and things like that, people going past actually come
Speaker 3: in and say, what a fantastic flag.
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: So can I just tell you the wee verse I
Speaker 3: made up for it?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not having a poem. But why is
Speaker 2: it called the Jardine Flag.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to explain it. It's not a poem.
Speaker 3: It's explaining it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, can you send an image to us of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I just want to tell the people the
Speaker 3: flag was meaning that Ellen designed with pride and the
Speaker 3: reasons for each emblem. He will surely tell you why
Speaker 3: the blue is for the beautiful skies that we're in
Speaker 3: New Zealand, sheer and the greenest for our greenland for
Speaker 3: which we love and care. The stars pattern represents the
Speaker 3: asterism with the constellation of trucks. The Southern Cross is
Speaker 3: known to all and understood so much. The silver foonnas
Speaker 3: for the fallen who fought so bravery through the ways,
Speaker 3: and also for our sports folk who represent us with
Speaker 3: great applause. I've fought through the wars, and also for
Speaker 3: the sports folk who represent up with great flaws. And
Speaker 3: last but not least, our Kiwi as he stands so
Speaker 3: proud and tall to see. So you see this new
Speaker 3: flake Allen designed truly covers one and all. So fly
Speaker 3: this flag from your flagpole, and fly at each special day.
Speaker 3: And when you're asked about this flag, you'll not just
Speaker 3: what to say.
Speaker 2: Did you get one made?
Speaker 3: I had it made, and I had it made from
Speaker 3: the flagplace in BETTONI and I've given one to our
Speaker 3: sons to fly from their flagpole, and one of the
Speaker 3: Allen's cousins has bought one for their flag pole. And
Speaker 3: as I say, it just gets so much comments when
Speaker 3: I fly it.
Speaker 2: And what was the cost getting that flag? Made there.
Speaker 3: Surely I got it made in the proper, proper flag stuff.
Speaker 3: Four hundred and twenty five dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay, can I any of you? Is your husband a designer?
Speaker 23: No?
Speaker 3: My husband passed away six years ago. He just sat
Speaker 3: doodling one day and what have you? And I sed,
Speaker 3: Oh that's great. Why don't we put it in the competitions?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I don't do that. And I wished
Speaker 3: I jolly willhead it because I'll tell you what it
Speaker 3: would have been one.
Speaker 23: Of the tops.
Speaker 2: Really is it that good?
Speaker 3: I'm going to Can I mail it to you?
Speaker 2: Of course you can have you got email?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, what would it?
Speaker 24: Well?
Speaker 3: How would I email? What's your email?
Speaker 2: Marcus m A c U s at, which is the
Speaker 2: A with a circle around yep used talk Z b
Speaker 2: yeap dot co dot nz.
Speaker 23: Dot co dot nz.
Speaker 24: I'll do that.
Speaker 2: Now and people stop and say, wow, that should have
Speaker 2: been our flag.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah. And they come into the door and they
Speaker 3: say what's that? Because I've got about forty five leagues
Speaker 3: I fly and each in our neighborhood, people going past
Speaker 3: or talk about the flags, and I say to them,
Speaker 3: what's your birthday and what's your nationality and I put
Speaker 3: it in my diary and on that day I fly
Speaker 3: their flag.
Speaker 2: Do you look Do you look for people that look
Speaker 2: of a different nationality?
Speaker 3: No, I just look for people that talk to me
Speaker 3: as I'm in the garden and going past and display
Speaker 3: the different flegs. I think I've got the New Zealand
Speaker 3: one up three times this week for different people.
Speaker 24: But they like it.
Speaker 3: They just get a kick out of it.
Speaker 2: Brilliant. Okay, Shelly, thank you for that. I appreciate. I
Speaker 2: look forward to seeing that. Marcus. If people cannot tell
Speaker 2: the difference between the Australians in the flag, they're not
Speaker 2: reobserve it. White stars for austran red stars views endly. Well,
Speaker 2: that's not quite rightly. Because I'm looking at TV screen
Speaker 2: across the other side of the room and it's got
Speaker 2: the cyclist what country they're from. It's impossible to tell
Speaker 2: because often the flag just comes up as a symbol
Speaker 2: to denote nationality. Marcus a Key is not aware that
Speaker 2: most countries in the Southern Hemisphere can see the Southern Cross.
Speaker 2: It's not special to New Zealand, Steve, and this will
Speaker 2: shake people up. But also the silver fern is not
Speaker 2: that especially the most countries have a fern that appears
Speaker 2: to be silver. So that's what happens when you go
Speaker 2: with symbols. I think most countries have them, so it
Speaker 2: doesn't really identify us. That's why better going with just
Speaker 2: some design like the Japanese one. Quite one of those
Speaker 2: lines of the poem doing a lot of work. One
Speaker 2: the one after war? What rhyme with war? I've forgotten
Speaker 2: now what rhymed with war straw? Or I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Someone said we can't afford a new flag, I'd say,
Speaker 2: we can't afford not to have one. And all the
Speaker 2: arguments are the same as they were ten years ago. Marcus,
Speaker 2: our flag doesn't necessarily need to be rectangular, no matter
Speaker 2: what it was proposed. When are hiding nothing, some won't change,
Speaker 2: Some won't like the new flag no matter what it
Speaker 2: looks like. Some will march on Parliament. Now, can I
Speaker 2: just say that looking at all the flags that were nominated,
Speaker 2: and they're all terrible. Red peak, which was the triangular
Speaker 2: one that they thought was the lake contender, it doesn't
Speaker 2: look great. Yes, and yes, indeed the flag of Switzerland
Speaker 2: is a red square. There aren't many square flags, but
Speaker 2: the flag of Switzerland is indeed square. If you want
Speaker 2: to comment on this, I've got a ton of texts.
Speaker 2: There's lines now free change the flag. You say what too?
Speaker 2: But I'm loving people giving their old designs another go round.
Speaker 2: Someone else, assume me a flag poem Australia has six stars,
Speaker 2: has four red stars. That is a certainty. A child
Speaker 2: should be A flag should be a simple design such
Speaker 2: as a child can draw it. I'm all for a
Speaker 2: change of flagged to something more representative New Zealand, but
Speaker 2: options in the flag refer and we're abysmal to it
Speaker 2: had no change. Cheers Mari. Yes, that's exactly the same,
Speaker 2: pro change, not pro the change they came up with.
Speaker 2: What about a flag with all our native animals on
Speaker 2: it kiwi as sheep are wallaby and a moose parpu.
Speaker 2: New Guinea has a bird on its flag, black background,
Speaker 2: silver f in the middle, or a picture of John
Speaker 2: A Lomu done a flag that consists of the three
Speaker 2: important colors in our history, black, white and red for
Speaker 2: the blood spilled to form our country. No logos, Marcus,
Speaker 2: I'm a veteran, a member of the RSA. Have you
Speaker 2: seen the in New Zealand flag no, well, navy blue
Speaker 2: with two Kordu blue for the Pacific Corduf and New
Speaker 2: Zealand easy to draw. Nothing like it in the world
Speaker 2: of flag's Jim hut Valley, I reckon we should swap
Speaker 2: out the color blue for black and re stand out
Speaker 2: zero confused with anyone else, and so much of our
Speaker 2: national teams are named after blacks. That makes sense. Commission
Speaker 2: Banks heat to design a flag. Get rid of our flag.
Speaker 2: Go to black. A black flag with a silver fur,
Speaker 2: nice and simple, like the Canadian maple leaf. Evening, Marcus,
Speaker 2: when you drive, the most common flag frying is the
Speaker 2: MOULDI flag. Next is the sovereign flag. I think that
Speaker 2: speaks for itself. Susie, what's the sovereign flag? Marcus. We
Speaker 2: need a new flag and then to all go on
Speaker 2: a team building exercise. We've lost our mojo as a country.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A pretty interesting article in one of the papers the
Speaker 2: other days about all the smaller towns that have been
Speaker 2: gutted of all the young people as they move overseas. Marcus,
Speaker 2: I feel we have missed an opportunity the last referendum.
Speaker 2: Everyone was so patientate flying the new flag. I think
Speaker 2: the country would have gotten behind a new design and
Speaker 2: we had a chance to build some real national pride.
Speaker 2: Those who putting the old flag flew these as well
Speaker 2: with pride. As soon as it was over, they all
Speaker 2: went put the way and now we really see a
Speaker 2: flag flying. A new flag may have stayed up Hi
Speaker 2: Gary Marcus Evening Welcome.
Speaker 25: Markets still have the funfects that the film A firm
Speaker 25: that was on the referendum flag if you want to know,
Speaker 25: now on the Walk of Fame behind the star that's
Speaker 25: on every every park now for famous new Xylders. I
Speaker 25: contacted Kyle Lockwood, who actually designed it, and he gave
Speaker 25: me the copyright free because I had a copyright issue
Speaker 25: with the Hollywood Walk of Fame and they wanted fifty
Speaker 25: thousand a year because they have a copyright for every
Speaker 25: five pointed object in the world on the ground.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 25: Yes, that was a bit of a bit of a
Speaker 25: sort of that was back in two thousand and thirteen
Speaker 25: that I've got. They've got the letter to say stop
Speaker 25: and decease from So we talked about this and then
Speaker 25: they will negotiate with your make it twenty thirty five
Speaker 25: thousand US a year, Yeah, a year. This is a year.
Speaker 25: This is just fifty or twenty five thousand a year
Speaker 25: to have it down. They said they have rights to
Speaker 25: worldwide from a company called Icon Lawyer's Icon Business.
Speaker 2: Oh, you would get messed up with them. It's been
Speaker 2: a fortune loyals wouldn't lawyers good time?
Speaker 25: So we protected Kyle he Y all means he gave
Speaker 25: me the copyright for free. So new it's behind the star.
Speaker 25: It's an eight object, a lot of facts, and so
Speaker 25: they sent me a letter saying they cease and assist.
Speaker 25: But that's silver fern is now. Times are there for
Speaker 25: good if anyone's interested in having a look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is the one that audio work, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It seems to lend itself mainly country music people. Is
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 25: No, it's all entertainment.
Speaker 2: It covers well like Susan prints, Ray Wolf, like you,
Speaker 2: Dennis Marsh Yeah, okay, great Bartlett.
Speaker 25: We've got You've also got Dragon, Mark William's, Larry Morris,
Speaker 25: Tom Sharplin, and we've got more coming up. We've got
Speaker 25: Freckie Stevens coming up.
Speaker 2: You got Lord, you got Lord not Huid.
Speaker 25: Very hard to get a hold of. Get the thin
Speaker 25: brothers on either really you can get the top twin
Speaker 25: They said no, Top Twin said.
Speaker 2: No, you got described.
Speaker 25: No, But I've got a list of about fifty still
Speaker 25: put down. We've got twenty twenty five dowsa and we've
Speaker 25: got that fifteenth year anniversary in July nineteenth.
Speaker 2: Is it much work to do it?
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 26: Is it?
Speaker 2: What a lot of money we getting people to do it?
Speaker 21: Or no?
Speaker 4: Well it's all free for them.
Speaker 25: Its costs means and put it all together in so Gary?
Speaker 2: Are you sort of you've got permission of that audio work?
Speaker 2: You could have got as much foot space as you
Speaker 2: want there, is it right?
Speaker 25: That's correct. I got a permission from the council. Had
Speaker 25: I had a distupit fim. It took me six years
Speaker 25: to get it, get it sorted. But it's been a
Speaker 25: bit of a jeffit journey for sure. But I'm so
Speaker 25: determined to get you know, these famous people that have
Speaker 25: made such a big influence. You've even got the flood
Speaker 25: of the concourse with with the guys who got oscars
Speaker 25: and and all sorts of and there's so many I've
Speaker 25: got set out contact to Sam Neil. He said, he
Speaker 25: wasn't famous enough yet.
Speaker 2: Which was so you have you got the flight of
Speaker 2: the Concord guys, not yet.
Speaker 25: No, I'm working on them. That The thing is to
Speaker 25: get there, to get their contact. That's the hardest thing
Speaker 25: because manages to go through and or people won't give
Speaker 25: his numbers or But I'd love to get Jason gunned
Speaker 25: down as well. I think Jackson has done an amazing
Speaker 25: job throughout the years. Yeah, and it's even like when
Speaker 25: you look at Peter Peter Montgomery with a sailing, you know,
Speaker 25: phenomenal what he's done.
Speaker 11: I think.
Speaker 2: I think Jason Gunner is on your list.
Speaker 25: And he's on my list, but it's hard to get
Speaker 25: ahold of us. Try to contact himself if you're listening.
Speaker 2: But has he got a start? Has he got a star?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I guess no, okay, now, oh, good luck
Speaker 2: with there, Gary, thank you, There we go. Marcus, some
Speaker 2: of your listens don't realize that the Kiwi birdhers from Australia.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's necessarily true, Marcus Francis Douglas
Speaker 2: Memoral College. But you Plymouth boys the annual First fifteen
Speaker 2: Rugby Exchange for the first time, so it's twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: ten eight with a late conversion to win it. Jubilation
Speaker 2: at the gully on a glorious day. Cheers Bruce, Bruce.
Speaker 2: Did they win away? Must have hard to go to
Speaker 2: the valley and one, Marcus. The Blackjack flag that was
Speaker 2: shortlisted last time around is fantastic. Eighty to ten of
Speaker 2: the lines are free for chime it chipping on the
Speaker 2: flag or chiming on the flag. Marcus. As I have
Speaker 2: a tattle of our flag, I'm hopeful it doesn't change
Speaker 2: in my lifetime. Listen to every night. Thank you, Rose.
Speaker 2: We can always change it. Please pass my phone number
Speaker 2: on to Gary, the country music loving lord lacking top
Speaker 2: twin twerking flag. When Scotty, I've got all the phone numbers.
Speaker 2: Gary's looking for. Cheers Scotty, Thanks Scotty. Someone says, what
Speaker 2: about a Mount Cook lily? What a beautiful flower?
Speaker 21: That?
Speaker 2: Would you call it a flower? I guess you wouldn't,
Speaker 2: But yeah, there we go. That's something. I think there
Speaker 2: are some flags. Yeah, I just wish we've got to
Speaker 2: get I wish we've got it out of the Silver
Speaker 2: Fern and the Southern Cross because here, as I say,
Speaker 2: the Southern crosses. The Southern Cross is only unique if
Speaker 2: you're in the Southern hemisphere. It's not that special. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to disparage it. But now, train news,
Speaker 2: what can I tell you about? This is a good story. Actually.
Speaker 2: The Green Party policy for a passenger train between Auckland
Speaker 2: and Totong is a no brainer, commuter says, a cheaper,
Speaker 2: safer and fast alternative to the worst traffic in the
Speaker 2: country and soaring airfares. Policy announced on Wednesday propose extending
Speaker 2: the existing to who were trained service between Hamilton and
Speaker 2: Auckland and building additional stations and Totong, Morensville and Waharoa
Speaker 2: would take two and a half hours the trip and
Speaker 2: would be established in two years. I don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: that it would be two and a half hours. I
Speaker 2: thought it would be longer longer than that. But until
Speaker 2: not so long ago, that was always a thing for
Speaker 2: Right up until the mid nineties, there were commuter trains
Speaker 2: between Auckland and Auckland Todong. And I don't quite know
Speaker 2: why they've stopped, and the lot to one's not going
Speaker 2: to happen to bo because I think they've lifted up
Speaker 2: some of the lines people have stolen the sleepers or something.
Speaker 2: But yes, that might be something you want to comment
Speaker 2: on as well. There's an online poll for that. Eighty
Speaker 2: percent of people think it's a good idea. So there
Speaker 2: we go. Oh we was stopped in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: That's good information. And of course since then, Todong and
Speaker 2: Hamilton have become the fastest growing parts of the country.
Speaker 2: I'm just not necessarily sure if you'd need to go
Speaker 2: through Hamilton, if they couldn't do a shorter route that
Speaker 2: goes like make part of the triangle, if you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, to cut across there. But maybe they
Speaker 2: need to start that way and maybe change it later on.
Speaker 2: It looks always like a straight line anyway, eight away
Speaker 2: from ten if you want to talk Monames Marcus welcome
Speaker 2: HDDLE twelve. Paterson Geral always get a little bit excited
Speaker 2: about that. But yes, if they could make it work
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one and now the populations are
Speaker 2: probably doubled and we'll be a lot quicker than driving
Speaker 2: with all the traffic jams, makes sense. Don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: how they cope going through the tunnel. I guess they
Speaker 2: went through in the last time. I know some towns
Speaker 2: passengers can't go through because of issues. But anyway, good evening,
Speaker 2: noel ats Marcus, welcome.
Speaker 6: Now you're on about ten years since we've had to
Speaker 6: go at changing the flag.
Speaker 18: Yes, okay.
Speaker 6: Now one of the options that you've been promoting is
Speaker 6: putting the silver fern on the flag.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not promoting that. I've always been opposed to that.
Speaker 6: You're opposed to that, so am I, and I'll tell
Speaker 6: you why.
Speaker 2: Great like your passion.
Speaker 6: In the early nineteen sixties, when the Air Force changed
Speaker 6: their roundel and they put a silverfern in the center
Speaker 6: of the round all, we became the butt of jokes
Speaker 6: of all the other air forces because we were flying
Speaker 6: the white feather.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, like surrender.
Speaker 16: Yes exactly.
Speaker 6: So ten years ago I was there against putting the
Speaker 6: selver fern on our national flag. I don't care. I
Speaker 6: look quite like it as a sports flag, but not
Speaker 6: on our national flag.
Speaker 2: I never in all my debates ten years ago, I
Speaker 2: never heard someone saying it was the white feather of surrender.
Speaker 2: But I quite like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it. It was only on our aircraft for
Speaker 6: probably six months or nine months, and we changed it
Speaker 6: to m Z and then to the Kiwi. Were you
Speaker 6: someone and that's when the Kiwi started to fly?
Speaker 2: Were you involved in that? Were you involved in the services.
Speaker 6: I was on the Air Force for a long time.
Speaker 2: Oh, good on you go you okay, that's excellent. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I said I think that I think the
Speaker 2: silver fin looks terrible on a flag. I think it's
Speaker 2: some sort of like something you put on butter, not
Speaker 2: on a flag. It's like a march.
Speaker 14: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: It's a sports flag, not a male flag.
Speaker 2: And I thought probably if those people on the pedal
Speaker 2: hadn't gone down that road, we might have got some
Speaker 2: better options. But they seem fixated with the silver fern.
Speaker 24: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Six to ten dB, it's Marcus welcome.
Speaker 7: What was the timing they gave for Tower to Auckland.
Speaker 2: By train two and a half hours double.
Speaker 7: It it's two a half hours from Hamilton. Yes, so
Speaker 7: they're going to go from Tower longer to Hamilton in
Speaker 7: no time at all.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if that's misreporting by stuff or
Speaker 2: if it's because I'm sure the Greens, if they're passionate
Speaker 2: about transport they would know their timing. But tell me something.
Speaker 2: Is there any way that you could go from Totonga
Speaker 2: to Auckland, not going via Hamilton?
Speaker 7: No, No, that's the way the railway track goes. There's
Speaker 7: only one way between. The Chickens that have stomach can
Speaker 7: spy the neck. I'm just trying to I've got the
Speaker 7: slide rule out and I'm.
Speaker 4: Just trying to sig other.
Speaker 25: No.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you're an eight hour a day worker,
Speaker 7: you're going to be on the You're going to be
Speaker 7: away from home. It's poor hours commuting each way. That's
Speaker 7: if the train doesn't get delayed.
Speaker 25: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh and trains, what about? What about it? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to reread that to make sure I've read
Speaker 2: it right. The trip between Auckland and Totong it would
Speaker 2: take two and a half hours. So what I think
Speaker 2: becomes interesting if you talk about Auckland to toteng O
Speaker 2: via train, right, Yep, you could build new lines from
Speaker 2: the exit of the Kaimi tunnel. I meant all flat land,
Speaker 2: isn't it. You could build a direct line between Through
Speaker 2: my head and you speak up towards to a car
Speaker 2: or someone like that, to a poke COI someone like
Speaker 2: that way you could, you could cut off and you'd
Speaker 2: save yourself. You actually got your slot. You're probably in
Speaker 2: save through the ks, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7: So seventeen thousand nimbies are already stopping you doing that.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 21: But and.
Speaker 7: Even if say they could do it in three hours,
Speaker 7: they can't. But say they could, you're still not going
Speaker 7: to get people out of their cars and onto a
Speaker 7: trade to do it in three hours. The Capital connection
Speaker 7: to Parmas the North once it leaves, why can I
Speaker 7: and all right, I'm talking ten years ago was virtually empty.
Speaker 7: Whilce I'm left the then you can count the people
Speaker 7: on two hands. And that was a train that would
Speaker 7: go Parmised North to Wellington until and a half hours,
Speaker 7: two really relatively large centers. So people just won't get
Speaker 7: out of their automobiles. I mean, I'm a fan of
Speaker 7: rail I spent thirty five years working for them.
Speaker 2: The question I have asked tonight to start the show.
Speaker 2: It's ten years since we attempted to change our flag.
Speaker 2: Do you have an appetite to try and change the
Speaker 2: flag again? Is it worth persevering with or was that
Speaker 2: just a once in a lifetime chance and the good
Speaker 2: will is gone. Are people as passionate about a new
Speaker 2: flag as they were ten years ago? It's bound to
Speaker 2: crop up the next couple of years someone will say,
Speaker 2: let's change the flag. In fact, I have just done.
Speaker 2: That was a terrible process and it was flawed from
Speaker 2: the beginning. But we get another go at it? Or
Speaker 2: have things now become too divided? And with Facebook and
Speaker 2: keyboard warriors in the way it is these days, if
Speaker 2: you had a discussion about the flag, it would probably
Speaker 2: become full of expletives quite quickly, because even when it
Speaker 2: happened ten years ago, it was quite tense. People were
Speaker 2: and what happens intense things. People adopted positions that they
Speaker 2: fought very hard to defend, and that involved using misinformation,
Speaker 2: conspiracy and false facts. I heard it all sitting on
Speaker 2: this seat for ten years ago. So yeah, your thoughts,
Speaker 2: any appetite from anyone at all to change it again?
Speaker 2: And would the results be the same or maybe wouldn't
Speaker 2: be so fixated with the silver fern and the sior
Speaker 2: fan's funny in all sorts of ways, because it also
Speaker 2: lacks symmetry, so it's not great on a flag. It's
Speaker 2: got no symmetry. At least the maple leaf has some symmetry, Marcus.
Speaker 2: If you google Kaimi Express, you'll find a Wikipedia item
Speaker 2: on the railway passive rail service that ran between Auckland
Speaker 2: and to Longer. The last time the services operated, the
Speaker 2: silver fre and railcar took three and a half hours
Speaker 2: to go one way. Okay, I just don't think you'd
Speaker 2: get done that quickly now, and that's probably because, well,
Speaker 2: you've got the whole problems with all the passenger trains
Speaker 2: and Auckland say, I'm not going to get that safe
Speaker 2: corridor to go all that way, Marcus. We killed the
Speaker 2: rail We sold it a private enterprise. They stripped it
Speaker 2: of rails and said, we don't have a big enough
Speaker 2: population and it's hard to resurrect the dead horse. We've
Speaker 2: got a big enough population, but you just got to
Speaker 2: people get in the habit of using it. I mean,
Speaker 2: the one place rail will work is the triangle between Orkland,
Speaker 2: Hamilton and Total because that's half the country's population lives there.
Speaker 2: So that's the one place that certainly can work. And
Speaker 2: they're growing like topsy. Auckland's growing. Yeah, there'll be two
Speaker 2: million people. There's probably two million people there were already
Speaker 2: and have two trains connecting two million people. It's not
Speaker 2: hard to get that working. So you never say never
Speaker 2: when it comes to rail. It can always come back.
Speaker 2: Twelve past ten, Hello, teary AT's Marcus. Good evening?
Speaker 21: Yeah, hi Marcus. Why should be another flag debate? You know,
Speaker 21: we had a referendum and the ones who wanted to
Speaker 21: change the at last, So why should there be another one?
Speaker 21: You know, we're we've got a flag, you know, and
Speaker 21: the majority of people are young people actually devoted to
Speaker 21: keep it. It was the young that actually the numbers
Speaker 21: up so that we're SAG would stay.
Speaker 2: So are you are you involved in that?
Speaker 21: And what I just voted and I voted to keep it.
Speaker 21: I voted for Winston Peter's fife. He doesn't want to
Speaker 21: change it. He knows what he's talking about. We don't know.
Speaker 21: You don't need to change the flag just because it's
Speaker 21: of the Union.
Speaker 2: There's a fee bit of appetite for it from the
Speaker 2: callers I've spoken to. Okay, but just with your just
Speaker 2: with your thoughts about the young people voted to save it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I'm just looking at where did you
Speaker 2: get those figures?
Speaker 9: From.
Speaker 21: I think it was just in the paper, just you know,
Speaker 21: the breakdown of the numbers. And I mean, you think
Speaker 21: I'm talking to it.
Speaker 2: You think it was.
Speaker 21: Yeah, but even decided that, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, No, no, but I I just want to
Speaker 2: check that because you said it was the young people
Speaker 2: voted for status quo.
Speaker 18: Yes, but yeah, and I have I have never.
Speaker 2: Seen that anywhere. Okay, all right, well so I just
Speaker 2: wonder where you got that from.
Speaker 21: Well, I talked to you know, I think it was
Speaker 21: in the paper, in the paper after the Great Debate.
Speaker 2: Do you think it was?
Speaker 21: It was in the paper, Yeah, and there was I
Speaker 21: remember talking to a guy even in his forties in
Speaker 21: the Ta B and Victorias Street while it was going on,
Speaker 21: and I was either coming up to counting or just after,
Speaker 21: and he said, he said, and we're talking about the
Speaker 21: flag and he said he want he wanted to change it,
Speaker 21: but he just didn't liked the messenger John Kiev as
Speaker 21: his daughter said he would be in twenties. Leave it
Speaker 21: a line. It's by fag. I've grown up with it.
Speaker 21: I think also a lot you know the sports people,
Speaker 21: you know lydier Co and when they when old and whatever,
Speaker 21: whether they're born here or not, they become New Zealanders.
Speaker 21: They loved the flag.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so what would be your opposition to it?
Speaker 2: Would it be the cost or would it be.
Speaker 21: What there's just it's just unnecessary. I love our flag.
Speaker 21: Nothing wrong with it, you know, it's just if was
Speaker 21: around that time also having a burger and the Burger King,
Speaker 21: and that used to a little boutiqu one that used
Speaker 21: to be where the cinema complexes and just up from
Speaker 21: the civic and there was a a a flower shop
Speaker 21: just there with the and had flags around. It's you know,
Speaker 21: the business and it had a South South sorry South
Speaker 21: Korean and New Zealand flags. And I spoke to the
Speaker 21: guy who owned it and I said, you know, the
Speaker 21: flag debate's going on. Do you want to keep the
Speaker 21: flag or change it? He said, keep it? So I
Speaker 21: think it's the people who come here, migrate to New
Speaker 21: Zealand and who come from the smaller who countries have
Speaker 21: been under China's fun if you like it, South Korea
Speaker 21: and Vietnam and all that who want to you know,
Speaker 21: come here and they appreciate the freedoms that they have
Speaker 21: here and they don't see any necessity and changing the flag.
Speaker 21: It's our flag. Chinese maybe you know they're the big
Speaker 21: kahuna over there and they want to change everything. M hmm,
Speaker 21: that's it, you know, I just necessary.
Speaker 2: If it wasn't going to be the flag we've got, now,
Speaker 2: what would you.
Speaker 21: Like it to be? But there's our flag now, Marcus,
Speaker 21: there's no I just want it's our flag.
Speaker 2: Things things change, the currency changes, and things change changes.
Speaker 21: The enemy, Marcus, change is the enemy of all societies,
Speaker 21: all cultures or.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes any sense. And if
Speaker 2: the slaves would have thought that was I don't know
Speaker 2: if the slaves thought that was a good thing.
Speaker 21: Oh, everyone's had slaves goes way back millions of years,
Speaker 21: every continent ere and they're still going. So nothing, nothing's
Speaker 21: going to change regarding that.
Speaker 2: Will you say change? You say change is bad. I'm
Speaker 2: saying the I mean that the freed slaves wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 2: thought the end of slavery was a bad thing. They
Speaker 2: probably thought it was a good thing.
Speaker 21: Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I mean, I'll
Speaker 21: only speak obviously for when you.
Speaker 2: Spoke about the people at Burg about they're new to
Speaker 2: New Zealand, are you someone that was new to New Zealand.
Speaker 21: Then I was born here, race here, so you know,
Speaker 21: I know my great grandparents, so three or four generations,
Speaker 21: and so I'm not sure what the indigenous people think, Mario.
Speaker 21: I mean, they've got their own flag, whether they would
Speaker 21: prefer their flag to beat the New Zealand flag. But
Speaker 21: I like our I like our flag and it's not
Speaker 21: going to change, I hope.
Speaker 2: Okay, nice to hear from you, Terry, Thank you, George, Marcus.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Marcus.
Speaker 9: I was thinking about the flag. I'm actually during the
Speaker 9: during the Rifferringdom last time, I was actually, for some reason,
Speaker 9: I was quite obsessed with the riff of the red Peak.
Speaker 2: Well, and that came from nowhere and it looks it
Speaker 2: looked great, but I don't like it now.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I kind of get this.
Speaker 6: I know what you mean.
Speaker 9: I think maybe if the top parts are the same color,
Speaker 9: it would be a bit more tolerable. But also I
Speaker 9: think if we've chosen it, you wouldn't think twice about it.
Speaker 2: There's blue well.
Speaker 10: I just.
Speaker 2: So for those who know the Red Peak, there's a
Speaker 2: red triangle in the middle of the bottom and there's
Speaker 2: a white stripe and the top corners. One's red, ones.
Speaker 9: Blue, and I think maybe that's where they went wrong.
Speaker 2: It's a bit two ones, the mountain ones the sky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I might dislike it quite strongly now.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you think you'd be regretting it?
Speaker 18: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Do you think we would have just got used to it?
Speaker 2: I think it was a real product of its time
Speaker 2: and looking you know, true, And I think there are
Speaker 2: people that are designers that you know, there are great
Speaker 2: designers that know that know what something that's going to
Speaker 2: test to stand the test of times. And I think
Speaker 2: even they thought the red peak, but when they hated
Speaker 2: the silver fern ones but also thought the red peak
Speaker 2: was probably a bit questionable.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the silver the silver fern is just it's trite.
Speaker 9: A lot of our symbols. I'm tired of them, for sure.
Speaker 9: I don't know. I don't know what you do about it.
Speaker 9: I was having an idea if we did do another vote,
Speaker 9: you do the design and black and white, and then
Speaker 9: you get to choose three colors below, and then you
Speaker 9: just combine the two votes together and boom, so everyone,
Speaker 9: maybe you don't get the design you want, but maybe
Speaker 9: you get your colors. If we had to do it.
Speaker 24: Your people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think do you think often about changing it?
Speaker 9: I can't say. But when i'm watching you know, when
Speaker 9: I'm watching the cycling and it's you know, it's like
Speaker 9: two pixels high and two pixels white, I can definitely
Speaker 9: see the floor. But I live in Australia. No one
Speaker 9: hears thinking about changing their flag. They're not worried that
Speaker 9: they looks like our flag.
Speaker 2: Tell you that much, but yeah, that happens from time
Speaker 2: to time, and they, I mean, yeah, Albernize has been
Speaker 2: been right to be quiet about the republic because ify
Speaker 2: so often you get a prime minister like Keating he
Speaker 2: was a mad Republican. I'm not mad republic. It's a
Speaker 2: good idea, but you know, it's tough to get across
Speaker 2: the line, isn't it.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I don't even think they've it's not even crossing their minds. Like,
Speaker 9: no one's talking.
Speaker 2: No one's talking about it now, are they not?
Speaker 9: Even if anyone even meets in the flag. They yeah,
Speaker 9: they're not worried.
Speaker 2: Okay, nice to talk, thanks you. No one's mentioning becoming
Speaker 2: a republic. That'll happen too. They always talk about that
Speaker 2: in our lifetime. But no one's going on about that.
Speaker 2: Now that'll be good for talk back. Yeah, get in touch.
Speaker 2: Marcus Still twelve the age old Christians. What she said?
Speaker 2: Winston Peters voted for him twice. He doesn't want the
Speaker 2: flag change. Yeah, well goodness to this caller. Young New
Speaker 2: Zealand is represented by a guy in his forties in
Speaker 2: the tab tell me you voted in New Zealand first,
Speaker 2: without telling me you voted in New Zealand first. Ah,
Speaker 2: love the old zero flag, need for love the flags.
Speaker 2: There a need for change. I haven't got any I
Speaker 2: don't not necessarily know about. Of course they couldn't prove. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's interesting because geographically they can work out who voted
Speaker 2: for what because they're an electorates. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if they've got any idea who voted for the flag
Speaker 2: according to age. Yeah, I've looked for a breakdown. I
Speaker 2: can't say anything about that. So I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 2: If people know that the Union jack has got to
Speaker 2: go full stop. I see laser Kiwi flags around. Thank
Speaker 2: you for that. Oh my god. Spend more enormous amounts
Speaker 2: of money on changing the flag. There are far more
Speaker 2: necessary needs for that money. Think what good could be
Speaker 2: done with all that. It was a very small amount
Speaker 2: of money when you look at some of the other
Speaker 2: expenses of the government and you look at how much
Speaker 2: when that was the thing. I mean, people did kind
Speaker 2: of bang on about John Key about it because it
Speaker 2: was just an easy hit for him, twenty six on
Speaker 2: a flag referendum. But you know, in terms of government expenditure,
Speaker 2: it's probably like an hour's spend. I would think it's minuscule,
Speaker 2: absolutely minuscule when you look at some of the other
Speaker 2: stuff they spend money on. So yeah, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think it's the rest. You know, if we want a
Speaker 2: new flag, then we've got every right to it. We
Speaker 2: don't say twenty six million there's going to be the
Speaker 2: reason why we don't get it. But you know, I'm
Speaker 2: just my curiosity was whether people it was ten years on,
Speaker 2: whether we get another go at changing it, or whether
Speaker 2: that's that now that people have changed. And what I
Speaker 2: sense from some of the texts is that people are
Speaker 2: terrified of something that could be divisive, and I kind
Speaker 2: of sense that now you get onto a Facebook chat
Speaker 2: and suddenly everyone's got extreme views and they want to
Speaker 2: battle with other people. They want to fight on the
Speaker 2: chardonnays of an evening on the keyboard, just looking desperate
Speaker 2: for someone ever battle with, normally anonymously. It's kind of
Speaker 2: weird that way. The more I think about this, the
Speaker 2: more interested I am that how much the country has
Speaker 2: changed in ten years, that even discussing things like changing
Speaker 2: the flag or something sort of not that serious, people
Speaker 2: are just too freaked out by because they said it
Speaker 2: has been divisive, and they say, oh, well, there's more
Speaker 2: important things like we have no agency or no saying
Speaker 2: anything anymore. It's almost like, as we are citizens of
Speaker 2: this country, we have read it'll say, we're too scared
Speaker 2: to have our say. I think everyone should have some
Speaker 2: chance to have their opinion heard on things like flags
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Marcus a flag, a black flag
Speaker 2: with four white stars and the white map of and
Speaker 2: it would be great, cheers, Margaret. I don't know that
Speaker 2: you put your shape of your country on it could
Speaker 2: look what a complicated shape too. It doesn't work so
Speaker 2: well symbolically. Marcus the flag offering so far our plant
Speaker 2: a star sign somebody else's Marcus the flag goffering so
Speaker 2: far our plant a fern a star signed southern cross
Speaker 2: somebody else has won the union Jack UK now here
Speaker 2: we go south to north in Oyster, a cow, a wheat, sheaf, apossum,
Speaker 2: a wallabie, a hophouse, a cannabis leaf, a full ranger,
Speaker 2: and a Harley Davidson. Wow, what a flag sums us up?
Speaker 2: Notice no rugby ball? Cheers John. I think we're really
Speaker 2: going to pick one thing for a flag, can't you.
Speaker 2: That's I like that one from I can't remember which
Speaker 2: place it was. Oh, chet GPDS check GPT checkbots done
Speaker 2: another one for us, which I'm loving. Not I'm loving
Speaker 2: how bad they are. We asked for a second flag
Speaker 2: of chet geep. It's quite hard. It takes a long
Speaker 2: time for jet GPT do anything now because there's so
Speaker 2: much demand on it. I quite like that. But it's wacky,
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's flip it's wacky. Doesn't like keep men
Speaker 2: do logo. But it looks like someone's put a line
Speaker 2: through it. Posted that put on Facebook with a new
Speaker 2: and you don't edit on put us a new. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll drive some more traffic. Get in touch. One name
Speaker 2: is Marcus. Welcome here to go, oh eight hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty eight. I'm you need a lot of emails saying
Speaker 2: are you trying to stir up the nation and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Wow, don't people as we will be another
Speaker 2: state of Australia the future two screek and I think
Speaker 2: last time I had talk about most people want us
Speaker 2: to be a state of Australia, I thought they thought, well,
Speaker 2: we're all going to end up there anyway. And it
Speaker 2: seems more chilled out. Laser flag has staying power. No
Speaker 2: referendum put it through under urgency, So there we go
Speaker 2: if you want to be in touch. Oh, eight hundred eighty,
Speaker 2: ten eighty. Also the Greens announcing the train to Todonga,
Speaker 2: it's not hard to do, they say, it's two years.
Speaker 2: All you've got to is build platforms probably for longer trains.
Speaker 2: I think some of the passenger platforms were taken away
Speaker 2: when they stopped that train going in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just platforms to be a few stations probably.
Speaker 2: I think they said Waharoa Matamato. There we go through Mama,
Speaker 2: Moronsville and Todonga. It's a situation they're getting touch Marcus
Speaker 2: till twelve. As I say, oh, eight hundred eighty eight,
Speaker 2: ten eighty looking forward to what you've got to say.
Speaker 2: Wednesday feels like Thursday. What's that about? Don't know what
Speaker 2: day feels like, a different day to what it is.
Speaker 2: I wonder if John Key regrets it. They're referendum. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about good evening, Kevin. It's Marcus welcome.
Speaker 14: They're talking about trains and stuffay New Zealand and they
Speaker 14: want to go sorry, and they want to go to
Speaker 14: Tower to Aukland and stuff like that, but we can
Speaker 14: only go from Mappy to Gisbone because they've got washed
Speaker 14: there years ago. I don't think New Zealand keys too much.
Speaker 2: Betans Well, I guess they might care about it if
Speaker 2: they get stuck in grid looking the cars aren't going anywhere,
Speaker 2: which seems to be happening in par longer because it's
Speaker 2: jam packed most of the time. It seems everyone. Every
Speaker 2: time I talk to people there, they say driving around
Speaker 2: there is a nightmare.
Speaker 9: You haven't heard about that.
Speaker 2: So it must get to a stage you think, actually,
Speaker 2: I can't we bother go to Auckland. I'll get the train.
Speaker 14: Well, I live in Wakefield and Nelson and one hundred
Speaker 14: years ago there was a train trick. But there's no
Speaker 14: transmit the south, there's nothing, or there's the main trunk line,
Speaker 14: they call it the main truck, but you can't go
Speaker 14: from city to city or anywhere like that. A geographical
Speaker 14: problem with New zealand's there's too mountains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's but if you look at the example of
Speaker 2: Auckland and Hamilton and to Auckland's the biggest city, Hamilton's
Speaker 2: grow So those three places are growing incredibly quickly and
Speaker 2: they've got a huge population.
Speaker 14: And I don't really care about it, or I don't
Speaker 14: care about or called Hamilton and terro No.
Speaker 2: But that's what we are talking because the Greens have
Speaker 2: proposed because there's a train now that goes Auckland to
Speaker 2: Hamilton and now they're proposing to get that to go
Speaker 2: to totong as well.
Speaker 14: So is that going to take fifteen years to do that?
Speaker 14: Because things are so slow in New Zealand it takes
Speaker 14: forever to do anything.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't care about it, but it's going to
Speaker 2: take two years because if they get the go ahead,
Speaker 2: because the line is already there, obviously freight all goes
Speaker 2: out of the port of Todonger, so it's a very
Speaker 2: busy train line for freight.
Speaker 14: But the problem with New Zealand most of our train lines,
Speaker 14: if you see, you know a lot about trains, is
Speaker 14: only we haven't got two through train tracks beside each other.
Speaker 14: It's just one track.
Speaker 2: Well, there are passing loops and I think they're trying
Speaker 2: to get that between into Auckland. Now there's going to
Speaker 2: be two lines. So the passenger trains have a designated
Speaker 2: line as well.
Speaker 14: Okay, okay, So I mean.
Speaker 2: The trum pet it's out was quick. Obviously there'd be
Speaker 2: more priority for the passengers because they're in more of
Speaker 2: a hurry than the containers of stuff that people have
Speaker 2: brought from demo.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 12: True.
Speaker 2: As far as the whole Nelson trained thing, that was
Speaker 2: always I don't even know where they are planning to
Speaker 2: go with those trains, but it was a bit of
Speaker 2: a pie It was a bit of a pie in
Speaker 2: the sky plan, wasn't it.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I don't even know
Speaker 2: how they're going to connect with the main network.
Speaker 14: You'll send the New Zealand might find.
Speaker 2: That you're quite negative at the moment, are you.
Speaker 14: Oh, I know everything's been canceled and stopped and you
Speaker 14: can't even hop on a train from making Warrington, you know,
Speaker 14: and everyone used to use it years ago. But everyone's
Speaker 14: got cows, that's right. Yeah, so those caws because it's quicker,
Speaker 14: more efficient and it's better.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Maybe maybe people will lose their love of cars.
Speaker 2: Maybe be a situation because who knows what's going to
Speaker 2: happen in twenty years time.
Speaker 14: Oh no, people love their cars. Cars of everyone gets rich.
Speaker 14: The majority of people in New Zealand live in the country,
Speaker 14: all of the cities.
Speaker 2: But remember also too, the our pictures that are too
Speaker 2: old to drive don't want to drive. There are children
Speaker 2: that can't drive. There are people that disabled that can't
Speaker 2: drive as well, So it's a big and tourists that
Speaker 2: don't want to drive in New Zealand because they're not
Speaker 2: used to drive on the wrong side of the road.
Speaker 2: So there are a large number of people, a large
Speaker 2: minority that driving doesn't work for.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and there's also another thing. The other problem is
Speaker 14: New Zealand the bus service is not very good.
Speaker 2: Where was the last time you caught a passenger bus?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 21: I get the.
Speaker 14: Electric passes and make TN all the time together? Nelson, Yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 14: but there's one there's one thing in New Zealand that's missing.
Speaker 14: Every single airport in New Zealand, you cannot get a
Speaker 14: train to go to the city center. Crazy and that
Speaker 14: is crazy because back in nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight
Speaker 14: you can get off, you can get a heath Row
Speaker 14: get we get on the train and go boom you go.
Speaker 14: In the New Zealand, it's it's impossible. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 14: what New Zealand needs. They need to get rail. Looks
Speaker 14: going from airports to these centers. That would make a
Speaker 14: big and it doesn't have to be on the roads.
Speaker 14: What the There's a company that came over and said
Speaker 14: that they're going to put like a are pylons and
Speaker 14: in above the motorways. Yeah, in the music they've been
Speaker 14: doing around the world. It's a company and they came
Speaker 14: to New Zealand, but the government said no, we don't
Speaker 14: want to government.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people cover these pie
Speaker 2: the Skuydeisin. You need to hear from them again.
Speaker 14: Because New Zealand ducts them and they the saying over, well.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with I mean, private enterprise could do
Speaker 2: a gondos if they're going to work out, couldn't they.
Speaker 14: Are not gondles not. I'm talking about pylons for fighting
Speaker 14: Japan and trying on those places they have the rail
Speaker 14: players go on top on motorways well.
Speaker 2: Like a monorail. Yeah, okay, thank you. I don't think
Speaker 2: monor whales even work. This is about when someone mentioned
Speaker 2: the mon around the Simpsons. It seems to where people
Speaker 2: go quite quickly after that one. Welcome on him as
Speaker 2: Marcus Hittle midnight, your negative guy that one day. But
Speaker 2: they had some good ideas. Good evening, Jacques, it's Marcus welcome.
Speaker 9: And a Marcus Hi, Jacques, how are you good?
Speaker 2: Thank you yourself.
Speaker 10: You're not bad?
Speaker 18: Not bad?
Speaker 8: Well so, I just.
Speaker 10: As also a bit of passion in rugby. I like
Speaker 10: a lot of New Zealand people. And I mean I
Speaker 10: was a little bit sad, to be honest. I mean
Speaker 10: I got in it quick and thought that the stream
Speaker 10: marksters all Blacks at the park or fell out in
Speaker 10: two minutes, and you know, a bide to the all
Speaker 10: Blacks website and like, okay, let's get it in there first,
Speaker 10: and they're still think it's available, and it's just it's
Speaker 10: quite amazing that it's not sold out in two minutes.
Speaker 10: I mean a few years ago it would have been
Speaker 10: you know, sold out and I'm just okay, I'm a little.
Speaker 2: To be honest, Jack, you've got a terrible phone line
Speaker 2: and you need to let me talk as well, because
Speaker 2: if you've seen some things. When is the match?
Speaker 10: It's a sixth of sixth of September?
Speaker 2: Okay, can you hear me now?
Speaker 27: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Much better? How many tests are they here for? Is
Speaker 2: it who do to Auckland Hamilton?
Speaker 4: It's Auckland and Willington nothink?
Speaker 2: Has it any talk of the caliber of the team
Speaker 2: they've seen, because I know where I am up in
Speaker 2: Dunedin there was a French team coming, but they've seen
Speaker 2: this sitting a B team, so I have zero interest.
Speaker 2: Is it going to be the it? Is it going
Speaker 2: to be a top out? Is it going to be
Speaker 2: the top South African team?
Speaker 20: Well?
Speaker 4: The thing is I'm not one hundred percent sure. But
Speaker 4: it's not just before the World Cup. So what I'm
Speaker 4: thinking as is Russi Rasmus got a different plan at
Speaker 4: the moment. Is like not love the past where they
Speaker 4: prepared for the World Cup, but they want to win.
Speaker 4: They want to hi win percentage of Test matches yep,
Speaker 4: so what I like god feeling is that they are
Speaker 4: going to send their best team and they're going to
Speaker 4: break the All Backs record of beating them.
Speaker 10: On in the past.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a pinnacle match. It's the even part
Speaker 2: to get rid of that. It's the best, it's the world.
Speaker 2: Are they successive world champs? So they went to in
Speaker 2: a row?
Speaker 22: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes for this Okay, Okay, Now I think you
Speaker 2: think how much your tickets?
Speaker 4: By the way, well I bought a ticket for ninety dollars.
Speaker 2: It is surprising because you think that would be the
Speaker 2: pinnacle rugby match in New Zealand's biggest city. But I
Speaker 2: will ask you one thing, Jacques, Yes, do you think
Speaker 2: people prefer watching it at home? Now they've all got
Speaker 2: these giant TV screens? I mean, the coverage is so good?
Speaker 2: Is it better to watch the game at home because
Speaker 2: you can see more?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 4: I It's absolutely true. I think, like I mentioned before,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, if I hear that the screen
Speaker 4: box are playing the All Blacks in the New Zealand
Speaker 4: or in South Africa, I'm I'm gonna try my best,
Speaker 4: you know too, especially at Innand Park, the world top team.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm a bit more invested because I'm South African,
Speaker 4: I guess. And it's not been day great for the
Speaker 4: New Jell fans with the love of rugby anymore. But
Speaker 4: I mean maybe I'm just with more investment in this game.
Speaker 4: It's just you know, it's such a good rivalry and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a great I think you make an
Speaker 2: extremely good point is to come in apart from the
Speaker 2: British Lions, would be another match that people would get
Speaker 2: up for because of a history there. To me, that's
Speaker 2: the pinnacle. Absolutely, I'm really surprised you will talk more
Speaker 2: about that, Thank you. Why wouldn't it sell out?
Speaker 26: How long is it?
Speaker 2: How long a tickets beyond sale?
Speaker 4: For Jacques Well, I think they started on the if
Speaker 4: you if you apply to the All Blacks dot com
Speaker 4: it started on the second or the third, and then
Speaker 4: I think I went to the public on sale on
Speaker 4: the Semmer something on that. But I'm just very very yeah, ye.
Speaker 2: I am too, because certainly you think they would they
Speaker 2: would say out overnight, Edison, it's Marcus welcome. Hello, Yeah, Hi,
Speaker 2: it's Marcus. Good evening.
Speaker 17: Hey, it's Edison.
Speaker 18: How are you think I am calling?
Speaker 17: And regarding the infrastructure. Yeah, a topic am and information.
Speaker 17: I just thought i'd am Yeah, I guess say that
Speaker 17: the Greens proposal for the trains. I'm currently driving back
Speaker 17: from Auckland to Tylan. I do the trip twice a week.
Speaker 17: A commute U and a train would be lovely.
Speaker 21: But the problem that.
Speaker 17: New Zealand has is infrastructures. I work around the industry
Speaker 17: and delivery capability is something New Zealand lack. So we
Speaker 17: own attract the offical capital to be able to achieve
Speaker 17: a lot of these things. I guess it's a nice
Speaker 17: idea a but just well we haven't proven at all,
Speaker 17: and that that infrastructure something kind of what are that
Speaker 17: highlight a lot of it that recently happened where no
Speaker 17: activity was done that it's not duetial next year in
Speaker 17: June and government will change and start the whole thing again.
Speaker 17: So or the elections will come up and people will
Speaker 17: change the topics of what's happened. The promise isn't there
Speaker 17: for the government commitment. They are two large players to
Speaker 17: come into New Zealand to be able to actually help
Speaker 17: deliver these projects.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, you would know you infrastructure would
Speaker 2: be required.
Speaker 17: Well, you can't have their train line, especially with the
Speaker 17: okudaport coming at and am entinally building that. You'd be
Speaker 17: optimistic if you could run multiple trains and commutes at
Speaker 17: the same time. You've moved in that much freight to the.
Speaker 2: Port, well they'd be passing send afraid. The only infrastructure
Speaker 2: talking about is the you've got to build passenger platforms
Speaker 2: at the three stations in between tot On because trains
Speaker 2: did go there till two thousand and one. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: the infrastructure, I mean the rails are largely there.
Speaker 17: Yeah, but you don't it's a forty minute how a
Speaker 17: commute with the current time frames coming through like it's
Speaker 17: a very driveable commute for kiwis. So you get some transport,
Speaker 17: but you don't really have the commutable Like you've got
Speaker 17: definitely a location of living. I am purvis at Hamilton
Speaker 17: and you could commute there the other way, but there's
Speaker 17: not real a large amount of traffic coming through there.
Speaker 17: I never get caught and training together. I am coming
Speaker 17: in back and forth in Aubland for no matter what
Speaker 17: time of day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know the way the growth
Speaker 2: is going, give it ten years. You've got a plan
Speaker 2: nice to hear from. You keep those texts coming through
Speaker 2: if you've got anything to add. Just where people are
Speaker 2: with the whole flag thing. I only mentioned because it's
Speaker 2: been ten years and no one's mentioned it since I'm thinking, well, actually,
Speaker 2: what's the situation there? Are you too scared of change?
Speaker 2: You've been freaked out because most people wanted a new flag,
Speaker 2: but they didn't want the new flag that was suggested
Speaker 2: because I had the silver fern and people thought that
Speaker 2: looked like a logo. But yeah, just because something doesn't
Speaker 2: work once, it doesn't mean you can't give another go.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm advocating for a change of flag,
Speaker 2: but I'm curious to know where people are or are
Speaker 2: we that country now that can't do anything? Remember there
Speaker 2: at the start, we gave women the vote before anyone else,
Speaker 2: and now look where we are cheapers. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: we know what to say, but we're not really looking
Speaker 2: like being the innovator or kind of a world changer
Speaker 2: at the stage, are we. If we can't even think
Speaker 2: about danging something to somemple like the flag, then that's
Speaker 2: to worry. But yeah, you might want to mention that
Speaker 2: and the train I mean, if the train will work
Speaker 2: anywhere to work there, that's the thing, that's the sensible
Speaker 2: thing is that you know, you may as well put it.
Speaker 2: The people are I don't know how good to Loong
Speaker 2: works for too. You don't need people want to go.
Speaker 2: You don't need tourists wanting to go there, do you mind?
Speaker 2: They want to got a hobbitin and probably a stop
Speaker 2: near hobbiton would be a every good thing, and a
Speaker 2: Hobbit train could be huge. Would you make it a
Speaker 2: different shaped locomotive? Probably not? But still were there trains
Speaker 2: in the Hobbit? I don't think they were?
Speaker 14: Were there?
Speaker 2: Probably I didn't go and see it like a train
Speaker 2: in a movie. But yes, I'm joking. I realized that
Speaker 2: weren't trained in the Hobbits. They don't go all sort
Speaker 2: of good. He thought they were trained in the Hobbit, wasn't, idiot?
Speaker 2: Because these days you can't also say anything out to
Speaker 2: humor because people take a serious Oh yeah, idiot, thought
Speaker 2: there were trains in the Hobbit.
Speaker 9: Choo choo ah.
Speaker 2: That's just me. I'm not quite sure what Jacques was
Speaker 2: on about. It seems like that rugby match has sold out.
Speaker 2: I took him at a his word. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: sold out two days ago, did it, And that's when
Speaker 2: the post was made. So that's the situation there. Hey,
Speaker 2: the other thing on a railway and Asia just because
Speaker 2: someone's texted through that. There is a brand new inland
Speaker 2: port proposed for Milton which is going to be a
Speaker 2: big deal. So it's a private enterprise group that's doing it.
Speaker 2: New Zealand's largest inland port has been announced for Otago,
Speaker 2: with a three billion privately funded project expected to take
Speaker 2: ten thousand heavy trucks off the road each year. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what inland ports are.
Speaker 2: Basically what inland ports are is just container terminals and
Speaker 2: also there will be some sort of warehousing there. I
Speaker 2: would think. I don't know what the main goods would be.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the main exports would be out
Speaker 2: of port, Charmers or bluff predominantly presumably a lot of
Speaker 2: it is dairy. But yeah, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Of ten thousand trucks are off the road every year.
Speaker 2: Although you look at that, it's only threehound and sixty five.
Speaker 2: It's only thirty a day, isn't it sounds a lot?
Speaker 2: But actually it's only thirty trucks a day off the
Speaker 2: road round about. I just make sure it's ten thousand
Speaker 2: heavy trucks, so it's not such a big deal. But
Speaker 2: it'll be a big deal. I don't know well, I
Speaker 2: mean in terms of freight moving it will be so
Speaker 2: this is I don't think it's there's photos of it,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if it will be to do
Speaker 2: with logs either. You wouldn't think in a landport would
Speaker 2: be with log So I'm not fully across what will
Speaker 2: are what will be going. Although Codagin, the mayor, said
Speaker 2: the wider area p use a large amount of forestry,
Speaker 2: dairy and sheep and beef products and the new facilit
Speaker 2: would allow them to be expect exported efficiently rather than
Speaker 2: subjected to bottlenecks. Bottlenecks, there has never been an announcement
Speaker 2: in our lifetime that has great implications for the financial
Speaker 2: viability of the South than this. Although what's interesting is
Speaker 2: at a target chief exec didn't know anything about it,
Speaker 2: which is weird. Good evening, Gary, this is Marcus. Welcome,
Speaker 2: thanks for kicking off the hour.
Speaker 26: Here you go, Matte. Why would we want to change
Speaker 26: your flag last time? Richie mccaur and John Ky cost
Speaker 26: the taxpad twenty six million dollars as a country in
Speaker 26: that good a position that we get will probably cost
Speaker 26: us forty million there.
Speaker 2: Yes, so, but as time goes As time goes on,
Speaker 2: will become more. There'll be less than less countries with
Speaker 2: the Union jack on it, and our will make us
Speaker 2: look kind of backward.
Speaker 26: We can't afford to have a referendum, and there's I'm
Speaker 26: sure there's more important things to be wearing about there
Speaker 26: than changing their flag.
Speaker 2: But but but we're had a democracy. We can change
Speaker 2: all sorts of things. We have those those right, I
Speaker 2: don't know what this ability that the thing is, Oh,
Speaker 2: there's more important things.
Speaker 26: If we don't have the money, have you have? You know,
Speaker 26: it's all doom and gloom every time we've got no
Speaker 26: money for doctor's, no money for heal, no money.
Speaker 2: Yes, but if you look at the amounts that are
Speaker 2: talked about there in the billions, it would be tight.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to argue with what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure about the You can say that about
Speaker 2: the people getting the pension when they're when they've got
Speaker 2: billions of dollars in the bank as well couldn't you. Well, yeah, exactly. So,
Speaker 2: so there's huge amounts of money that are going to
Speaker 2: people that's sacred that you can't touch.
Speaker 26: So many of those politicians in parliament.
Speaker 18: It should be.
Speaker 26: Means tested exactly, cheers the guy by.
Speaker 2: But you can do other stuff. I mean, we can't
Speaker 2: just we can't just do nothing if there's things that
Speaker 2: people want to do. I don't know why it costs
Speaker 2: so much either, by the way, I think she'll use
Speaker 2: use computers and things to make it cheap. We just
Speaker 2: go with the because the process was cumbersome and clumsy
Speaker 2: and alienated a lot of people because involved two different votes,
Speaker 2: which I think was expensive. They should have just had
Speaker 2: the Well who knows. Anyway, I appreciate you input there, Gary,
Speaker 2: thank you. But yeah, if you just bring everything back
Speaker 2: to the argument, oh well, how many doctors that the
Speaker 2: government has chosen to spend that percentage of the GDP
Speaker 2: on health. That was a decision they have made. Now
Speaker 2: they could spend more if they chose to, but that's
Speaker 2: their decision. And of course now I'm spending more money
Speaker 2: on defense. But interest about the guy that's doing the
Speaker 2: great the Walk of Fame at Audio wa that's got
Speaker 2: it that was asked twenty five thousand dollars to use
Speaker 2: the same shape stars as the Hollywood Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Isn't heone a big fan of that Walk of Fame?
Speaker 2: In audio wa? I mean the guy was nice to
Speaker 2: ring but I don't want to sound uncharitable. But it's
Speaker 2: audio work. It's not Hollywood, is it. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's Is it a good idea? A walk of fame?
Speaker 2: I know the Victoria Park market at a Walk of
Speaker 2: Fame too, when people put their hands in the concrete.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not quite sure if a beg good
Speaker 2: thing or not. We don't want to dump on the town,
Speaker 2: but they spend some time there. But a walk of Fame,
Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone say they're going to audio Where
Speaker 2: to go to the Walk of Fame? Of course, there's
Speaker 2: statue of Sir Edmund Hillary there also, which seems a
Speaker 2: strange place for it anyway. Of course, even so more
Speaker 2: now because the main highway bypasses Ady where you just
Speaker 2: zoom past it then past whywiter off you go? Why
Speaker 2: couldn't we have a flag refreender at the same time
Speaker 2: as election exactly? But what I think should happen is
Speaker 2: people should just find a flag and start advocating for
Speaker 2: that and start taking long to public events. I'd like
Speaker 2: it to happen organically, and I believe that will happen,
Speaker 2: but no one's come up with one. Of course, there
Speaker 2: is the the ten I dont can tell the flag,
Speaker 2: and also the United Tribes flag that you see around
Speaker 2: a lot, but I don't think they're advocating for them
Speaker 2: to become the flag of New zeal although they might
Speaker 2: be so, I don't know too much about that, but
Speaker 2: you know they are strong from a design point of view,
Speaker 2: beautiful looking things, and much stronger than the other four
Speaker 2: con tenders for our ten year ago flag referenda when
Speaker 2: we had it interesting that someone thought that when they
Speaker 2: put the white feron on the planes of the Air Force,
Speaker 2: people thought it was the white feather and the flag
Speaker 2: of surrender. Never heard that theory last time, evening.
Speaker 27: Kevin Marcus here, when toron Ken had had the referendum
Speaker 27: on the flag, I did one, and you will know
Speaker 27: you probably written those that overseas, all our veteran soles
Speaker 27: that have been buried over there have got a sort
Speaker 27: of fin or a black fern on their edstones, et cetera.
Speaker 27: And anyway, I gave her one of our local MP
Speaker 27: photograph of it our flag and all I did was
Speaker 27: put a silver fern underneath the Union jack, and I
Speaker 27: recommend it is all we need on our flag.
Speaker 2: So tell me, because that's on the graves right of
Speaker 2: our fallen. Does any other flag in the world have
Speaker 2: the symbol the same symbol on their flags on their
Speaker 2: war graves?
Speaker 6: Not that I would be aware, no, because a lot of.
Speaker 2: People say that, But I can't really work out why
Speaker 2: that means it would be on Are you saying that
Speaker 2: the people? Because it's like a symbol, isn't it.
Speaker 23: It is, it's a.
Speaker 27: Symbol, but okay, it's a black line, so I don't
Speaker 27: I'm sure it's not a white one. But the thing
Speaker 27: is you have Australia. It gets me when the rugby
Speaker 27: matches and they're playing based national means and they're flying
Speaker 27: both our flag and here's the Australian one fame as ours,
Speaker 27: except I've got the big star underneath the Union jack,
Speaker 27: and I sort of thinking, oh, wouldn't that be wonderful.
Speaker 27: I've seen people fly and our flag with the many
Speaker 27: years ago, with the silver fanner underneath the Union jack.
Speaker 27: And I'll tell you what, I thought it was great.
Speaker 27: And I gave it to a local politician, the pograph
Speaker 27: to give to John Key and put it in there
Speaker 27: the you know, in the sorting it out, and the
Speaker 27: RSA members that were hanging around me then and all
Speaker 27: looking at it this day, all without exception, thought it
Speaker 27: was the best idea, having a silver fan underneath the
Speaker 27: union jack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not, just so you know where I'm
Speaker 2: coming from, Kevin. I'm not a fan of that. And
Speaker 2: I reckon, if we hadn't got if we hadn't got
Speaker 2: fixated with you with the silver foond, we would have
Speaker 2: had a new flag. But three of them had the
Speaker 2: silver foon and they just the silver foon didn't look
Speaker 2: good on the flag.
Speaker 27: I didn't think, Well, I could always see the mary
Speaker 27: to make us lot different from Australia, because I've heard
Speaker 27: so many times that overseas people have taken our flag
Speaker 27: is the Australian flag as well.
Speaker 2: So you're still in favor of changing it then, just
Speaker 2: the silver that's all.
Speaker 27: That's all, yes, absolutely, just to be different from Australia,
Speaker 27: I think the best.
Speaker 2: Thing about that? How about you get chet GPT to
Speaker 2: do a flag for US and feturing a road code
Speaker 2: and think they got anything better with that? Puddon? Oh
Speaker 2: how many can you can? You only do it twice
Speaker 2: a day? Flip? They're playing hard to get, aren't they?
Speaker 2: How much will it cost if you paid for it?
Speaker 2: Apparently a Danish company has been selling can cheeseburger since
Speaker 2: the early two thousandths. It's a good idea, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Take it tramping a can cheeseburger. My name is Marcus Wilk.
Speaker 2: If you want to talk, oh eight hundred and eighty telly,
Speaker 2: all the lines there are free. It might be something
Speaker 2: different you want to mention good. I've done the hard
Speaker 2: work coming up with the topics. But yep, if you
Speaker 2: do want to say something else or talk about something else,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. Tonight Trump's gone quiet
Speaker 2: at this time. I'm looking for what Trump's up to
Speaker 2: as he wakes? Does he wake about?
Speaker 26: Now?
Speaker 2: He's meeting the Syrian president and says lifting sanctions gives
Speaker 2: the country chance of greatness? There we go, Oh do
Speaker 2: cardgoing and playing with the kids?
Speaker 22: Fuck?
Speaker 2: What's that game? Five crowns? It's quite good. It's one
Speaker 2: of the few games I can beat them at. If
Speaker 2: you want to give that one a go. It's got
Speaker 2: like five suits. They say it's like Rummy Cub. Well,
Speaker 2: I've never played Rummy Cub. I don't know whether it's
Speaker 2: like it or not. But yep, that's happening it till twelve.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Kelvin.
Speaker 24: Good evening to you, Marcus. How's it going down there
Speaker 24: in the cold South.
Speaker 2: It's been quite mild, but you might get cold to night,
Speaker 2: so I'm hoping here we go.
Speaker 24: Yeah, I rung about the New Zealand flag. Now, first
Speaker 24: of all, I haven't heard anybody call it by its
Speaker 24: correct name. Everyone seems to call us the Union Jack,
Speaker 24: but it's real name, its proper name, is actually the
Speaker 24: Union Union Flag.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 24: And that's the pattern. How when you're looking at the
Speaker 24: New Zealand flag and the flag poles on the left
Speaker 24: side of it, the very top star and the left
Speaker 24: hand star are both the same size. The right hands
Speaker 24: star is the smallest and the bottom star is the largest.
Speaker 24: So I thought you'd lot to know that maybe, And
Speaker 24: when people who can't see the difference in Australia and
Speaker 24: the New Zealand flag. My goodness. Now, the Australian flag
Speaker 24: six white stars. The New Zealand flag is four red
Speaker 24: and white stars. Okay, so it's pretty pretty easy to do.
Speaker 2: So the bottom star is the bigger one, is it?
Speaker 24: Yep? Bottom one is the biggest one. So when the flag,
Speaker 24: when you look at their flag and the poles on
Speaker 24: the left side of it, the top one, the top
Speaker 24: star and the left star are both the same size
Speaker 24: and right, the right hand side is the smallest and
Speaker 24: the bottom is the biggest.
Speaker 2: How they thought about it is that because it looks good?
Speaker 2: Is that to reflect the brightness of the Southern cross
Speaker 2: in the sky?
Speaker 24: I think you just said it. Yeah, okay, And a
Speaker 24: lot of those island flags might have the Union flag
Speaker 24: in the corner or whatever, and lots of those different
Speaker 24: stars and a circle or what gold stars whatever, they
Speaker 24: sort of representing the number of islands would make up
Speaker 24: their country.
Speaker 2: It's right, yeah, sense islands.
Speaker 24: It's got about fifteen I think it is here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the cook line is amazing because they are
Speaker 2: miles apart. You wonder how they even managed to make it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's got fifteen white stars and circle.
Speaker 24: You're quite right, Yeah, fifteen.
Speaker 23: Yeah.
Speaker 24: I remember when I was working with a chap from
Speaker 24: the Cook Islands and I was asking him what was
Speaker 24: the Cook Islands called originally before James Cook came along?
Speaker 24: And he said it never ever had a proper name.
Speaker 2: Okay I nelready thought about that. Yeah, okay, No, I think.
Speaker 24: We should do more thinking, James.
Speaker 9: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like I respond to James. Who do you think?
Speaker 2: How many countries have the Union jack in the corner?
Speaker 24: Quite a few. That's a good answer, isn't it. Okay,
Speaker 24: even Haai who's got the Union flag in its corner.
Speaker 24: I like the idea of their country, and you can
Speaker 24: with your magic buttons you'll be able to look it up,
Speaker 24: or you might already know. I like that country with
Speaker 24: the flag and the machine gun on it.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the fact that you study flags from time
Speaker 2: to time.
Speaker 24: I don't really study them, I just sort read a
Speaker 24: little bit something.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what you voted for?
Speaker 24: I voted for there was one there with the blue
Speaker 24: at the top, but I think the black.
Speaker 2: But then, but then when it came down to the
Speaker 2: our current flag versus the pretender, did you vote for
Speaker 2: status quo?
Speaker 24: Oh no, no, I'd never vote for the Union flag.
Speaker 2: And okay, I don't know said you said, it's so pationate,
Speaker 2: but Mosambique that's got the gun.
Speaker 24: I would never fight for our king either, Okay, good,
Speaker 24: are you going to fight for king and country? Just
Speaker 24: for the country?
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't, but yeah, but I voted for the
Speaker 2: current flag because just to tell them how awful those
Speaker 2: contenders were with the silver food. Thought they were all terrible.
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, well the so called silver food. And I
Speaker 24: don't know how many countries, but there's lots, lots and
Speaker 24: lots and lots, probably another lots as well overseas which
Speaker 24: have silver ferns, So it's not just here and the
Speaker 24: n z or Nova Zelandia.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that people come fixated on that. No,
Speaker 2: although I don't think other countries have it as this.
Speaker 2: I think it's because we put it on the buttied
Speaker 2: the butter in the early days, didn't we in the
Speaker 2: butter boxes.
Speaker 24: Yeah, the old Canada flag is good, I've always thought,
Speaker 24: and they apparently.
Speaker 2: Did it very quickly too. It didn't take them along,
Speaker 2: It wasn't at I've.
Speaker 24: Actually forgotten what the original one looked like.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's terrible. Dog's breakfast like ours. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I think it was a union. I'll ever look at
Speaker 2: it for you, just so I cann't remind you.
Speaker 24: Yeah, and remember what the Japanese flag used to look like,
Speaker 24: but no idea. Well it was a white flag with
Speaker 24: the round orange red sun with the rays.
Speaker 2: That was quite good too, like that.
Speaker 24: Yeah, but they had to get rid of that after
Speaker 24: w W two, the big one.
Speaker 2: We should just ask if we could borrow the one.
Speaker 2: Oh terrible, the Canadian Yeah, terrible.
Speaker 24: It was like it was just yeah, anyway, how about
Speaker 24: the Scottish flag then?
Speaker 15: Love that.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, the blue with.
Speaker 24: The white cross. Yes, I think it's a bad time. Well,
Speaker 24: they keep talking about it, Scotland becoming completely independent.
Speaker 2: Of Well they've had a couple of votes and come
Speaker 2: quite close, but it looks like it hasn't kind of
Speaker 2: got the momentum.
Speaker 24: But I'm looking forward to when you have your discussion
Speaker 24: in the near future, hopefully about whether we should have
Speaker 24: become a republic or not. But it's thickening to think
Speaker 24: of it. But yeah, we got so many knit with
Speaker 24: listeners out there. They ring up and they say, oh, yee,
Speaker 24: if we become a republic, we won't be in the Commonwealth, and.
Speaker 2: I think in a discussion people just try and muddy
Speaker 2: the waters with misinformation.
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, right now, there's at least I think it's
Speaker 24: fifty six, could be a couple more countries in the
Speaker 24: Commonwealth of Nations, not to be confused with the Commonwealth
Speaker 24: of Australia, but there's about fifty six or could be
Speaker 24: a couple more. And out of those there's about thirty
Speaker 24: five which are republics exactly, and about six six of
Speaker 24: them have got their own monarchies. Yeah, okay, and our
Speaker 24: nearest one in the Commonwealth with its own monarchy as
Speaker 24: Tongua yep. So it's all pretty clear cut, isn't it.
Speaker 24: You know, when you've had a couple of cups of
Speaker 24: tea and the brain's clear, you can remember these things.
Speaker 2: Not to hear from me, Kelvin, sounds like it's going
Speaker 2: well for you, Marcus. What is the Mexicom number of
Speaker 2: carriages a diesel engine is allowed to tow? I've caned
Speaker 2: one eight nine so far. The good thing about living
Speaker 2: adjacent to train tricks for the last resort for relatives
Speaker 2: to want to stay over is especially the long, heavy
Speaker 2: and very noisy two am freight trains. So just a
Speaker 2: word for the whys they are called wagons. Carriages are
Speaker 2: for people. But yes, I never knew that until I
Speaker 2: studied closer. So I don't want to word shame you,
Speaker 2: but that, yeah, they are called wagons. I didn't Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I had ready know. That's a lot?
Speaker 21: Was it?
Speaker 2: Just one locomotival with it two?
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