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Speaker 1: We might have some trouble on the India FTA. Labor

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Speaker 1: whose supporters now needed because New Zealand First have bailed

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Speaker 1: on it, have allegedly written to the Trade Minister walling

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Speaker 1: against signing their view as the full text doesn't match

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Speaker 1: the government's public reassurances. Mcclay's on a plane back from

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Speaker 1: Cameroon apparently anyway, Deputy Prime Minister David Seymour is with

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Speaker 1: us morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, way.

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Speaker 1: Do we have trouble or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have trouble if the Labor Party are going

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Speaker 2: to abandon their long tradition of supporting free trade and

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Speaker 2: frankly play politics before an election instead of looking at

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Speaker 2: our long term challenges in this country.

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Speaker 1: Do they have a point? Does the text not match

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Speaker 1: the utterances?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't believe it does at all. If you

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Speaker 2: look at the text overall, it has massive access for

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders up and down the country. Ninety five percent

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Speaker 2: of those who currently export to India will get tariff reductions,

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of those go to zero on day one.

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Speaker 2: But we have to actually ratify it with the votes

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Speaker 2: in parliament. And what does that look like. I was

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Speaker 2: talking to someone just this morning, her husband and wife.

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Speaker 2: They've bought a truck. They bought it right before the

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Speaker 2: diesel prices went up. They share eight our shifts. She

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Speaker 2: drives for eight hours, he drives for eight hours. And

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Speaker 2: they're in forestry and our forestry gets massive access. And

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Speaker 2: it doesn't just matter that they're getting access, it's that

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Speaker 2: India is a barrier country. So if you look at

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Speaker 2: Lamb as another example, we were doing really well with Lamb,

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Speaker 2: the Australian's got zero tariff access, totally ate our lunch overnight,

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Speaker 2: took all of our market share into India. We get

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Speaker 2: this agreement signed, then sheep meat for example, that we're

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Speaker 2: competitive with Australia. Again, I mean, it's just nuts not

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Speaker 2: to do this.

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Speaker 1: Ah, but I can find you two parties within the

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Speaker 1: Parliament that don't want to do it. Why can't you

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Speaker 1: convince them?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they frankly have to look at the

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Speaker 2: overall facts in the round. So you take, for example,

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Speaker 2: this concern about immigration. Now, I know there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of people who feel that immigration has gone too far.

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Speaker 2: Now you talk to young people who work in South Auckland,

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Speaker 2: they're in property, real estate, they're in trucking, say, and

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Speaker 2: they will say, look, you know there's too much migration.

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Speaker 2: There's people from countries that we don't feel we can

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Speaker 2: connect with, and you've just got to stop this. But

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Speaker 2: that's a legitimate concern and one that I think will

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Speaker 2: be addressed in the election, including by us. However, if

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Speaker 2: you look at the India Free Trade Agreement, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we get sixty thousand visas issued each year in this country.

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Speaker 2: The India Free Trade Agreement adds about two and a

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Speaker 2: half thousand, and many of them will be people who

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Speaker 2: could have otherwise come on the uncapped visus we already offer.

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Speaker 2: So if you're angry about migration, okay, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: But to oppose this India Free Trade Agreement and all

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Speaker 2: the opportunities for everyone from Apple's to Kiwi fruit to

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Speaker 2: Manuka honey and baby formula from dairy, you know, to

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Speaker 2: throw that particular baby out with the bath water is

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Speaker 2: not putting our country's long term interests at heart, because

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Speaker 2: we have to work out how we pay our way.

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Speaker 2: We think we're first world, our incomes aren't matching that.

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Speaker 2: We think that we have responsible budgeting, but our government

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Speaker 2: has a sea of reading and stretching up for decades.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the treasury accounts, so you know

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Speaker 2: these guys need to frankly man up, mature up and

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Speaker 2: put the best interests of the country at heart. Not

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Speaker 2: what we saw from Labor and New Zealand first and

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen where they said they're opposed to the TPP

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Speaker 2: for political purposes. Soon as the election was over. What

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Speaker 2: they did well, they called it the CPTPP and signed it.

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Speaker 1: All right, nice to talk to you, David Seymore, who's

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Speaker 1: the Deputy Prime Minister. We'll get McClay back on when

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Speaker 1: he lands back in the country because this is an

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Speaker 1: unfolding story and will be part of the election campaign.

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