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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday. Now Mark Mitchell Weathers and it's Jenny Anderson.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Mark morning, Mike morning, Jenny. Hey, might you have to

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Speaker 3: respect Willie and ninety one still the album?

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Speaker 1: So I think you one, there's something to say. If

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Speaker 1: you're out there doing what you love, then then you

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Speaker 1: know you never worked today in your life, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's probably something in that. Now, Ginny, a couple

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Speaker 1: of things for you. What did you do on your holidays?

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Speaker 1: Apart from getting yourself in the National headlights?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't on a holiday. I was on a course

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Speaker 2: with Also, I was pleasure to go with Nancy loof

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Speaker 2: National and it was really nice to get to know

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Speaker 2: her a bit better. So her and I went on

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Speaker 2: an intensive course for about five and a half days.

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Speaker 1: So not just a course, an intensive course. Where was

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Speaker 1: this course and what was it to do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in Connecticut and it was kind of

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Speaker 2: professional development and leadership was a range of things. But

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it and it was nice to know

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Speaker 2: she's lovely person.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm sure she's a lovely person. Could we

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Speaker 1: ask some questions about the you know, with a what

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Speaker 1: did you what have you learnt out of it? What's

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Speaker 1: the big takeaway out of your.

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Speaker 2: You don't really get a lot of professional development in

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Speaker 2: this job, so it's a lot about how you cope

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Speaker 2: in difficult situations, how you connect with other people, and

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Speaker 2: how you make the most of the skills you have.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 4: It was really good. And it was.

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Speaker 1: Leadership from other party and stuff like that, organizing koms

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Speaker 1: and stacking numbers.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't teach us that, but they'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: What was interesting though, is there were a bunch of

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Speaker 2: guys from Utah who who were quite high up in

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Speaker 2: their organization, and it was fascinating getting to know other

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Speaker 2: Americans high up how they approached issue. So I probably

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Speaker 2: learned a bit more from other people in leadership positions

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Speaker 2: as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: What about social media? Do they teach about social media?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: They didn't touch on that. No they did.

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Speaker 1: It was that part of the problem very much.

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Speaker 2: Potentially I could do a crash course on that. I

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Speaker 2: think that were now Mark.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I noticed I listened. I don't know who she is,

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Speaker 1: but there's a woman in the press who harangues the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister post cab every Monday, and they're normally unusual questions.

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Speaker 1: And the unusual question from her this week was about

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Speaker 1: the three year old that was left by themselves for

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Speaker 1: hours on end, and Luxeon didn't know anything about it,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, this strikes me as odd. And then

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Speaker 1: you have to come out and say that so it

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Speaker 1: never happened. Where do these stories come from?

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Speaker 3: I don't know A good question. There's Claudiote who's in

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Speaker 3: the press gallery. And that was the first we'd heard

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Speaker 3: of it, and I went back to police and said,

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Speaker 3: can you please go away and check this.

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Speaker 4: Look. I already knew that it was probably very hot.

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Speaker 3: Unlikely not to be accurate, and the police came back

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Speaker 3: and provided reassurances that no children were left by themselves

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Speaker 3: in the house. Look, the police do a lot of

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Speaker 3: pre planning around these warrants. They will make sure extra

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Speaker 3: him there is someone there for them, and so when

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Speaker 3: those allegations were brought forward, I was pretty skeptical, but

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Speaker 3: I went back to police and said, look, can you

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Speaker 3: go back and check on this, because it's all we

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Speaker 3: give an arnswer for them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jinny, how is it? When I look at the

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Speaker 1: Maray Party these days, and that question was based on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the Marray Party. Why to Tea said that

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Speaker 1: that raid we're talking about a poto key and the

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Speaker 1: mungrel mob. He said, that's terrorism and it's terrorism driven

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Speaker 1: by a racist, a gender. Now it's entirely possible in

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Speaker 1: twenty six and maybe in twenty nine that you guys

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Speaker 1: are going to have to coalesce with these guys. How

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Speaker 1: do you do that when that's the sort of people they.

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Speaker 2: Are, Well, it's far too early to be discussing any

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Speaker 2: possibility of coalitions. And those are comments made by them

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Speaker 2: and they're beast responded to by them. If there are

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Speaker 2: any issues on the ground in terms of how those

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Speaker 2: operations were carried out, that's for the Independent Police Conduct Authority.

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Speaker 2: So the IPCA needs to look at those and that's

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Speaker 2: the correct process for that. But you know, Mike, there

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Speaker 2: a taly basis not that Revene Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Introducing a treaty principle's.

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Speaker 5: Bell without much notice is pretty radical democracy. And I

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Speaker 5: would say democracy style sty will see me automatic weapons.

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Speaker 5: That's Nicole McKee wants to bring those back.

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Speaker 1: But that's democracy, that's democracy, that's I mean, what he's talking.

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Speaker 1: All I'm talking about is how do you sort of

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Speaker 1: do a deal with a single issue party that's increasingly,

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Speaker 1: you know, right out there.

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Speaker 4: On the edge.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's far too early to be discussing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't say that forever, because I'm going to

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Speaker 1: ask you and haunt you with this question for the

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Speaker 1: next couple of years, and at some point it's going

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Speaker 1: to come to pass. Unless for some reason you become

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Speaker 1: fantastically popular and it's just you and the Greens, you

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Speaker 1: will need the Maori Party because they are here to

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Speaker 1: stay because Hytt's locked his seat.

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Speaker 4: So there.

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Speaker 2: Those are always those are always issues that are discussed

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Speaker 2: in coalition agreements, and we're not in those discussions. Now.

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Speaker 1: Imagine though, what would happen if they were Winston Peters

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Speaker 1: as in the balance of power. What do you reckon

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Speaker 1: their price would be to go into government with you?

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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't do it, could you.

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Speaker 2: It's really difficult to foresee and try and predict exactly

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Speaker 2: how that will play out. You know, National has been

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Speaker 2: in government with Martin Party before.

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Speaker 4: It was outstanding and they were very different Mary Party.

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Speaker 3: You had quality people like Tiro level and they achieved

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Speaker 3: a lot, they actually delivered. They actually delivered to Mary.

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Speaker 3: But so very different Mary Party back then. But all

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Speaker 3: I'd say Mike is on the podcas she is that.

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Speaker 3: I was down there a few days ago. I met

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Speaker 3: with locally. With you, I have got a very strong

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Speaker 3: trusted relationship with They are completely aligned with us. They

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Speaker 3: don't want the gangs here, they don't want their children

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Speaker 3: I met with Dave Moore and Mexic Tour the he's

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Speaker 3: the he's the mayor and one of the counselors. They

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Speaker 3: are very happy with the police have done for their

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Speaker 4: To have a reset. Mark.

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Speaker 1: As far as did you see the piece in the

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Speaker 1: Herald the other day Jinny raises the gun control. There's

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Speaker 1: a piece in the Herald the other day saying Nicole

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Speaker 1: m Key wants to do one thing, she's going to

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Speaker 1: have to go through a mountain called Mark Mitchell is there?

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Speaker 1: I don't think that, But is the angst building there?

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Speaker 4: No not at all, Not at all. I mean I've

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Speaker 4: got a very good, strong working relationship with Nicole.

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Speaker 3: We're both motivated by the same thing, and that is

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Speaker 3: around increasing public safety.

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Speaker 4: And it's as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Are you able to explain because the Labour Party you're

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Speaker 1: onto a couple of things. One of them is that

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Speaker 1: and the other thing's castello and the smoking. You would

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Speaker 1: argue that you are after the same thing, greater safety

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Speaker 1: heading in the same direction. But they see labor chinks

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Speaker 1: in that armor. Why aren't you able to explain in

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Speaker 1: a clearer way so that people understand that there is

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Speaker 1: no scuttle but or scandal about any of this.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's opposit in politics. Are they're going to raise

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Speaker 3: it and that's what their job is and try and

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Speaker 3: create a bit of alarm around it. But all it

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Speaker 3: says that look, Casey is my Associate Minister of Police.

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Speaker 3: She is outstanding and she is motivated on one thing,

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Speaker 3: and that is keeping the rate of smoking, reducing the

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Speaker 3: New zealand accelerating it. And I think she's got some

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Speaker 3: you know, she can have more to say on that.

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Speaker 3: That's her portfolio area. But working with her, she's.

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Speaker 1: Going to make some sort of announcements today while she

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Speaker 1: is she's got some details coming.

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Speaker 3: No, not today, but I know this is work going

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Speaker 3: on in there, and then that's up to you. That's

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Speaker 3: her portfolio and she can she can deal with that.

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Speaker 3: But no, she's outstanding and Nicole is the same. They're

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Speaker 3: outstanding New Zealanders that when you look at the history,

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Speaker 3: being advocates and working hard to improve our country.

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Speaker 4: And that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: The m Key one, Ginny, I get from your point

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Speaker 1: of view anyway, But the Costello one, I don't issues

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Speaker 1: like bending over backwards on something. I just don't get paperwork,

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Speaker 1: advice whatever. We're going in the right direction as regards tobacco.

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Speaker 1: We're all winners, aren't we. Why are you trying to

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Speaker 2: Well, the first point I'd like to make is that

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Speaker 2: if Mark says that is Mark, what's going on the

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Speaker 2: background of your office, isn't.

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Speaker 4: I'm on the fourth floor.

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Speaker 3: I'm on the fourth floor, and on the third floor

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Speaker 3: there's renovations going on, So I apologize.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Look, it's not about public safety. It's actually

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Speaker 2: about getting people access to guns and taking away all

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Speaker 2: of the restrictions on gun rangers. And police themselves have

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Speaker 2: raised this with Mark Is, the Police Minister, multiple times.

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Speaker 2: They think it's a real public safety risk that people

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Speaker 2: beyond ranges they can't be checked and there's no police oversight.

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Speaker 2: That's a problem. That is true. Mark, I've seen a

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Speaker 2: documents where police are repeatedly advising you that they don't

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Speaker 2: want these changes that Nicole McKee is bringing in.

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Speaker 1: Back to the tobacco, what's the big deal on tobacco.

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Speaker 1: We're trending in the right direction. So she got some paperwork, mean,

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Speaker 1: who cares?

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Speaker 2: Well? The deal is that Philip Morris benefited from the

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Speaker 2: change that they're the only one who dominates the market

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Speaker 2: for the heated tobacco product.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a tax impairment thing for the government.

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Speaker 1: The government were going to get less money. Philip Morris

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Speaker 1: doon't get the money.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they do because they're able to sell their product

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Speaker 2: with the less of a tariff on it in a

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Speaker 2: market that has no computer.

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Speaker 1: It was the only product I have it.

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Speaker 4: Let me be really quick clear.

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Speaker 3: Casey Costellas focused on one thing that she has focused

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Speaker 3: on reducing the amount of smoking in our country, and

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Speaker 3: she's focused on making sure that people have got excess

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Speaker 3: transition out of that.

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Speaker 4: That is what she is doing.

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Speaker 1: That is kind of problem. The advice on whether they

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Speaker 1: are as harmful as is ropy, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's part It is very ropey.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point to make, Mike, because you've got

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Speaker 2: health official saying she's just googling stuff and she's doing

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Speaker 2: her own internet research. And one of them got into

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Speaker 2: And the reality is it's not based on good science,

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Speaker 2: because that the government's got a clear idea. These one

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Speaker 2: particular company, Philip Morris, that is directly benefiting from these decisions.

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Speaker 3: Welliciens have to have, ministers have to trust that they

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Speaker 3: in an awful position by Health New Zealand because she

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Speaker 3: had the sister in law of the opposition spokesting around

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Speaker 4: And I mean it's just there was.

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Speaker 1: Very until it became a thing in the house Mark,

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Speaker 1: what are they doing? It's a deck indoor outdoor flow.

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Speaker 1: Who's down there on the third floor?

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Speaker 4: So what So what they're doing is they're just they're

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Speaker 4: creating new offices. So they've converted it.

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Speaker 1: So I thought you, I thought you were the opposite.

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Speaker 2: I've got rid about in the restaurant to give ACT

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Speaker 2: some offices. And what's it costing. It's like three mil

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Speaker 2: I think three.

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Speaker 1: Three million to get rid of a restaurant in a bar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much put ACT in there. I think it is.

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Speaker 3: The real here is is that the speaker is trying

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Speaker 4: So that is what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: How can you run it? Don't you run anything? Mark

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Speaker 1: with that sort of noise going on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 3: I mean I had to go down stairs because I

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Speaker 3: and the and this is.

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Speaker 4: Nothing like they had the power tools going on. Shot,

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Speaker 4: I actually shot there sears. I said, guys, do you

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Speaker 4: mind I'm on.

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Speaker 3: The hostage showily in the powerfuls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, they said no, probably week in the week

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Speaker 4: and the week accommodate.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see which of the appreciate it. Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: Ginny Anderson for another week.

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