1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: and a. 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Due to see Allen Drive with on New Zealand Let's 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: Get Connected and news Talk ZBB. We're going to speak 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: to a developer about it. Half the five o'clock stand 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: by for that now. A defiant Joe Biden has ruled 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: out any talk of dropping out of the presidential race 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: after his troubling debate performance. In response to a New 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: York Times story that suggested he's weighing up his options, 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: the president stated that no one is pushing him out 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: and he's not leaving now. Henry Olsen is an American polster. 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: Hi, Henry, Hello today. Is it looking more or less 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: likely to you that he stays in the race. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: I think he is less likely to stay in the 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: race than he was even twenty four hours ago. Democrats 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: are beginning to call publicly for him to step down. 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: Paul's are sinking fast, and while he remains stadfast in 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: his public statements, he's politically aware enough to know the 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: sand is shifting out from under him. 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: So that the poll that you're talking about, I am 22 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: assuming is the Wall Street Journal that I mean, it 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: only has the lead that Trump has got widening out 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 2: to six percent. 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: I would have expected more, wouldn't you. 26 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: Well, we have two things working to prevent that. One 27 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: is the extreme partisanship we have in the United States 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: right now, and the second is his alternative is Donald Trump. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: That there'll be plenty of people who will hear that 30 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: poll and say, yes, Joe Biden is too well to 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: run for office, but Donald Trump is, and then talk 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: about why they can't vote for Trump. Eighty percent of 33 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: the people in that poll said that Joe Biden was 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: too old to run for president. And that gives you 35 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: an idea of how many people are swallowing their reservations 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: about President Biden because they're either died in the world Democrats, 37 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: or they just can't stomach Donald Trump. 38 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: Do the polls fall further from him. 39 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: I think they do a little bit. There's only so 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: far that a Democrat can fall in this current circumstance. 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: But the fact is, because of the electoral college balance 42 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: towards Trump, Biden has to win by two points or 43 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: more to have any chance of winning the electoral college. 44 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Being down by six when he's this well known and 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Trump is this well known this late in the campaign, 46 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: it's almost fatal and most serious Democrats know it. 47 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: Okay, So Henry, how does this play out? 48 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: What's going to be the thing that finally tips it 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: out of Biden's favor and he's got to get out 50 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: of the race. 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: I think what's going to have to happen is some 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: senior Democrats are going to have to either publicly call 53 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: for his removal or his removing himself he can't be 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: absent himself, or they have to say in guarded diplomatic 55 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: language that that's the case, but they're not actually calling 56 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: for it. There are some Democrats who are saying that 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: he's going to lose under the current circumstance, and they're 58 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: not calling for his removal, but everybody inside the Beltway 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: knows what that means. 60 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: And then who replaces him as a Kamla Harris. 61 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: That's the betting right now is that that's the easiest 62 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: choice for the Democrats and it's the one that rankles 63 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: the fewest intra party constituencies. The problem is Kamala Harris 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: has her own problem. She's not known as a decisive communicator. 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Her opinion ratings, her favorability ratings are as bad as 66 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's, and she's tied to an unpopular administration, so 67 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: that may be the easier course for them, but that 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's the better course for them. But compared 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: to an eighty one year old man who can't complete 70 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: a sentence or paragraph under pressure, that may be their 71 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: least bad option. 72 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a very good point. Hey, listen, Henry, 73 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Thank you. 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