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Speaker 1: Gun crime on the rise in Auckland. In the first

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Speaker 1: six months of this year, there were eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy nine offenses. That is twenty eight more than last year.

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Speaker 1: But the concerning number just eighteen of those almost nine

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Speaker 1: hundred offences were committed by people with an active firearms license.

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Speaker 1: So basically almost one hundred percent of this is people

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Speaker 1: who do not have a firearms license with guns that

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Speaker 1: got them. Well, who knows. Sonny Kaschelle is the chair

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Speaker 1: of the Ministerial Advisory Group for Victims of Retail Crime.

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Speaker 1: Is with me this morning, Sunny, good morning, really good morning, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Where are they

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Speaker 1: getting all these guns?

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Speaker 2: Look, there's the issue that we must also look at

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Speaker 2: how guns are entering into the country. You know, as

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Speaker 2: with drugs, there's a need to enhance border control. It's

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Speaker 2: alarming that nearly ninety nine point eight percent of one

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Speaker 2: million risk assessed shipping continents are not inspected. So Ryan,

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Speaker 2: you know, New Zealand is fast becoming a violent society.

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Speaker 2: This is a national discussion we need to have. You know,

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Speaker 2: we need some issues that will work, not virtual signaling,

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Speaker 2: because criminals are acting with impunity. As a dramatic increasing

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Speaker 2: gun use has just shown and this data.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the thing is if they can bring

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Speaker 1: them in on the boats, we're not checking all the boats.

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Speaker 1: We're never going to be able to check all the containers.

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Speaker 1: They can print them three D these days, they can

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Speaker 1: steal them from existing gun owners. I mean that the

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Speaker 1: horse is bolted, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's true that the real issue we face is the

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Speaker 2: overwhelming number of illegal guns not legally had, of firearms

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Speaker 2: my license honors, as you rightly said earlier, So we

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Speaker 2: need to focus on cracking on cracking down on these

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Speaker 2: illegal firearms than diverting excessive sources to That's.

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Speaker 1: What we're doing now, Sonny. And there's more and more

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: There's true. But we must also it's a bit crucial

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Speaker 2: that the decisions are on FARMA arms policy are shaped

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Speaker 2: by those who deal with the gun violen directly. That's

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Speaker 2: a police and affected communities, not just policymakers in Wellington

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Speaker 2: who don't experience these traits firsthand.

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Speaker 1: What are they deary owners feeling, because obviously that's those

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Speaker 1: stats aren't good. What are they feeling? What are they

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Speaker 1: doing to better protect themselves? Now?

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Speaker 2: Well I mean they right now, in the given situation

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Speaker 2: of the crime at they actually cannot protect themselves. And

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Speaker 2: that's one area that we are working. You know, what

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Speaker 2: are the areas in the climate and also sentencing that

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Speaker 2: can be changed. But coming to a gun crime site,

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Speaker 2: you know, I do support Nicole McKee's review of the firearms,

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Speaker 2: just to determine if it is the best use of

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Speaker 2: limited resources to prevent gun gun crime. But we don't

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Speaker 2: want to prejudge the review.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Starting thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for coming on the shows. Only Koshelle who was

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Speaker 1: with the Dairyan Business Owners Group, he's no longer with them.

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Speaker 1: He's the chair of the Ministerial Advisory the group for

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Speaker 1: Victims of retail crime. It is eighteen minutes after five.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear your views on that this morning,

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Speaker 1: nine two ninety. I mean, in my mind, the horse

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Speaker 1: has bolted, whether they bring them in on cargo ships,

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Speaker 1: whether they make them in their own living rooms via

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Speaker 1: three D printing, whether they steal them from a farmer.

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Speaker 1: Gangs are going to get guns, aren't they. So what

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Speaker 1: do you do arm yourself? I can't say that, can you?

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