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Speaker 1: So not guilty. It is in the Polkinghrn case, the

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Speaker 1: jury comparatively took about three and a half minutes to

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Speaker 1: come to their conclusion. Eight weeks of witnesses and detail

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Speaker 1: come down to the simple fact that prosecution couldn't stitch

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Speaker 1: together enough evidence to get their side of the argument.

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Speaker 1: Across the line, criminal defense lawyer Liz Hall is with

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Speaker 1: us li's morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: A level of interest from your perspective as a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: One you couldn't care less. Ten you were beside yourself.

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Speaker 1: Where did you sit?

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Speaker 2: Oh about a one couldn't care less? Well, not couldn't

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Speaker 2: care less. I mean, it's an example of our criminal

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Speaker 2: justice working, and so that's encouraging to all defense lawyers.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, you know, there are trials going

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Speaker 2: on up and down the country that are important to

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Speaker 2: the people that are involved. This one just happened to

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Speaker 2: get more media coverage.

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Speaker 1: I was sure I was going to like you anyway,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't know that answer was coming. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm the only other New Zealander who couldn't have given

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Speaker 1: the monkeys either way. I figure he either did it

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Speaker 1: or he didn't, or come to a conclusion, and that's

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Speaker 1: the judicial process. Was their fault to be found. Do

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Speaker 1: you think from the prosecution's point of view, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: get their side of the argument across given the link?

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Speaker 1: Not at all.

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Speaker 2: The goal of the criminal justice system isn't to help

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Speaker 2: the crown get across the line. What the crown do

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Speaker 2: is they call the available evidence that they think will

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Speaker 2: establish guilt. The jury make the assessment of whether they

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Speaker 2: have called sufficient evidence or if the case leaves them

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Speaker 2: sure of guilt. That didn't happen in this case. So

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Speaker 2: it's just justice working.

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Speaker 1: How much weight sure? How much weight would you have

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Speaker 1: put or do you think you would put on the

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Speaker 1: Ashton non appearance?

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Speaker 2: Would they now come on, Mike. Everything that that woman

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Speaker 2: has to say was already before the jury. The only

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Speaker 2: thing that the jury missed out on was seeing what

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Speaker 2: outfit that woman water court. I think it's a total

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Speaker 2: red herring to start focusing on what she thinks she

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Speaker 2: might have added to the trial.

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Speaker 1: What weight would you put on a good brief in

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Speaker 1: the form of Mansfield.

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Speaker 2: Ron Mansfield's one of the best in the business.

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Speaker 1: So if you hire well, you can go in feeling

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Speaker 1: more confident than if you don't hire will No Come

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Speaker 1: on now.

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Speaker 2: Every criminal defense lawyer puts their heart and soul into

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Speaker 2: this business. If we were interested in anything other than justice,

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Speaker 2: we'd be doing conveyancing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in totality, what are your outtakes of this trial

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Speaker 1: that has allegedly gripped the nation?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that it has gripped the nation.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gripped those people who like click bait

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Speaker 2: on media. It's just justice working. That's all you've seen

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Speaker 2: play out. And as you know that both the crown

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Speaker 2: and the defense have worked very hard and the verdict

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Speaker 2: is what it is, and so may the Alanses need

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Speaker 2: to relax and see that that's justice working.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Elizabeth, appreciate it very much. Liz Hall,

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Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer. Come on now for more from the

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