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Speaker 1: Also called king hits of course in Australia, and there's

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Speaker 1: a new law around this. So what they're doing is

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Speaker 1: introducing a culpable homicide offense for the one punch attack

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Speaker 1: that results in death. Maximum penalty there for life a

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Speaker 1: walk without fear of trust. They've long campaign for this,

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Speaker 1: of course Mike Ango as a board member of that

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Speaker 1: particular trust and as well as Mike.

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Speaker 2: Morning to you, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Have they got it about right? The government?

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Speaker 2: Look? I think so, you know, put really simply the

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Speaker 2: previous laws mixed up within the GBH laws with a

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Speaker 2: lot of precedents set in, too many discounts being been given,

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Speaker 2: meant that the coward punch wasn't recognized for its potential lethality,

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Speaker 2: which it has been now. And further to that, just

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Speaker 2: understanding how lethal it is and making it very very

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Speaker 2: clear that this is no king hit. This is exactly

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about, which is a potentially lethal coward punch.

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Speaker 1: So it's the punishment as opposed to the distancenter. Because

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Speaker 1: I can't believe somebody's out there going, oh, well, I

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Speaker 1: was going to whack you, but now I'm not because

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Speaker 1: I might end up in jail for longer. That's not

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Speaker 1: how it works.

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Speaker 2: Is it. Look, and I've said this previously, I think

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Speaker 2: what you have to have this in conjunction with, which

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Speaker 2: is education, particularly starting at school level, and that's what

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Speaker 2: we're heavily involved in as well. You can't have a

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Speaker 2: big stick if you're not also educating people around the

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Speaker 2: culture of violence, around the danger that the card punch

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Speaker 2: can cause. So those things should work hand in glove.

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Speaker 2: What I think politically is people get two head up

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Speaker 2: and too fixed to one idea that just being purely

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Speaker 2: punitive doesn't work. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would argue that if you're attacking

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Speaker 2: someone with a knife or a gun, that has a

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Speaker 2: high degree of lethality associated with it. When you're hitting

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Speaker 2: someone when they do not know a punch is coming,

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Speaker 2: or with our blind shot, it has a high degree

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Speaker 2: of permanent damage and lethality about it, And no one

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Speaker 2: would argue that if you had lethal intent, Okay, and

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Speaker 2: we need to understand and we need to introduce this

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Speaker 2: into our thinking that that kind of act has lethal intent,

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Speaker 2: then there's really no excuse.

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Speaker 1: Good on you might I appreciate your time Mike Anger,

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