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Speaker 1: Very sober, senior political correspondent with US. Very good evening,

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Speaker 1: good evening afternoon.

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Speaker 2: When I was looking dark.

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Speaker 1: Now it doesn't it because it's a terrible day, terrible

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Speaker 1: whether it really does feel like things are. And of

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Speaker 1: course the storm clouds are gathering on the trade front too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Do you know I was thinking today, Ryan about

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Speaker 2: trade and where the world's come from. Now. I remember,

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Speaker 2: before your time. It was in nineteen ninety four I

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Speaker 2: went to Bogor in Indonesia. Your older listeners will remember it,

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Speaker 2: and the APEC leaders they signed up to what they

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Speaker 2: said were common goals of free and open trade and

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Speaker 2: investment by twenty and ten for industrialized countries in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty for developing economies. You won't remember this, but I

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Speaker 2: said on radio at the time, it'll never happen. It

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Speaker 2: can't happen because most of the leaders, while all of

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Speaker 2: them but one would be gone by the time any

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Speaker 2: of these dates were realized. And the one who would

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Speaker 2: be less left was the Sultan of Brunei, And from

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Speaker 2: my knowledge, I think he's still there, but the rest

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Speaker 2: of them have gone. Bill Clinton was in office for

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Speaker 2: the US. Jim Bolger, we were traveling with him and

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Speaker 2: Paul Keating from Australia who once called me a maggot

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Speaker 2: and told his mind is to get me away from him.

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Speaker 2: But well, it was a blowfly fly actually it wasn't

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Speaker 2: a magot, and you know it attracts blowflies. As I

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Speaker 2: commented after he made the remark. But when you look

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Speaker 2: at the ten percent tariff now it's not as high

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Speaker 2: as some with feeling, but that's not a good thing,

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Speaker 2: because a tariff is a tariff. And I can't understand

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Speaker 2: why Donald Trump would ever think that by imposing tariff's unilaterally,

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Speaker 2: that it's going to make America a richer country. That

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Speaker 2: may happen over decades, but it's not going to happen overnight.

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Speaker 2: All the cars now are made outside to co and

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Speaker 2: Canada make the cars for America. They do assemble them

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Speaker 2: in America, but they'll all go up because of the

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Speaker 2: steel and what have you. It's it's just incredible, and

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Speaker 2: that I know. All the boffins and the bee Hive

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Speaker 2: were gathered around today to watch Trump make this announcement

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Speaker 2: and they couldn't understand the figure that he used that

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: On there people have been trying to unpick that number

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Speaker 1: all day Berry, we'll give it a go with Tom

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Speaker 1: McLay after five. But interesting, yeah, he says, it was

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Speaker 1: interesting listening to him talk about war. I mean, he says,

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Speaker 1: we need to be strong and we need to have

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Speaker 1: the manufacturing base should we be at war.

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Speaker 2: You know, So what does that tell you about his

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Speaker 2: psyche well, and about America, that if there was a war,

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Speaker 2: America would be well, it would be anyway.

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Speaker 1: But isn't that sort of But I was thinking, isn't

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Speaker 1: that sort of what we want them to be thinking,

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Speaker 1: like because like it or though that China is coming right,

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Speaker 1: So if they're not thinking about how they might be

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Speaker 1: on a war footing, then who is I hope we're.

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Speaker 2: Not thinking about war?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I hope we're not.

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Speaker 2: I lived through the Cold War and it was fantastic that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's failed as safe. And I'm a

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Speaker 2: baby boomer, of course, as as Donald Trump, as is

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could argue we're in a cold war

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Well you could, yeah, although it's.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we're getting a bit off track. Here are the

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Speaker 1: Treaty's Treaty Principal's Bill is going to be reported back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Berry, Now you said it all really that Labour's Justice

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Speaker 2: spokesman Duncan, I know you're going to have him on

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Speaker 2: here they were, they were screaming about this bill being

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Speaker 2: wasted time on through the parliamentary process. They all to

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Speaker 2: a person and the Labor Party said it was a disgrace.

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Speaker 2: The government was wasting parliamentary time. Yeah, dangerous, it was

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Speaker 2: creating danger. And here's Duncan web now saying it should

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Speaker 2: have been extended. We should have been They've they've had

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Speaker 2: three hundred submissions to this bill, ninety five percent of

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Speaker 2: them are opposed to it. Can you expect to Select

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Speaker 2: Committee to sit there day after day after day listening

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Speaker 2: to the same opposition to the bill? They closed it

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Speaker 2: off at one hundred and fifty submissions. Now the bill

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Speaker 2: will be back in parliament tomorrow. Parliament's not sitting, of course,

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Speaker 2: but it can report a bill back and next week

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Speaker 2: it's expected people around the beehive that I've talked today,

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Speaker 2: that it'll be gone by next week. There will be

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Speaker 2: a vote. The interesting thing to me is how are

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Speaker 2: you going to see a repeat performance by the Moldi

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Speaker 2: Party and the Hucker No I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sure you will. Xy Audrey Young had some good advice

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Speaker 1: for them. When they do do it, wait till the

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Speaker 1: vote's finished.

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Speaker 2: Show everybody that you know it's sacrilegious to interrupt a debate,

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Speaker 2: right right, Mara Pardi don't know the rules clearly of Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of and the Greens, you've got a final note

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Speaker 1: on these two bearings.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I was going to go on like a

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Speaker 2: crack record about profit today and the Greens thinking came

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Speaker 2: up again, it came up. But I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: running anything. Don't worry about that. Chloe Swarbrick, Madame and Davidson.

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Speaker 2: They've been banging on about it for ages now and

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Speaker 2: now we see Ricardo Mendendez Menendez. Now this is ants.

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Speaker 2: Our technical producer said, Barry always mispronounces Menendez. Want.

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Speaker 1: I never want to interrupt your flow. I yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, he today banged on about profit and that's businesses

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Speaker 2: that run GPS organizations, you know practices. He said, why

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Speaker 2: should they make a profit? Hello? But anyway, the other

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Speaker 2: thing was that you know the Maori Party, what will

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Speaker 2: the Privileges Committee do with them? Well, what they can do?

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Speaker 2: And I think the Maldi Party painted themselves into a

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Speaker 2: corner here. I think they've made it very difficult for

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Speaker 2: the Privileges Committee to be anything but hard on them.

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Speaker 2: What they can do is they they can have their

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Speaker 2: pay breached between three hundred and four hundred dollars a day,

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Speaker 2: depending on their salary. Of course, there is if there's

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Speaker 2: no appearance with the committee, the suspension, they can be

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Speaker 2: suspended from Parliament. It's going it'll probably be longer, so

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Speaker 2: they could be out on the outside looking in. And

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Speaker 2: it's taken as red that they won't apologize for the

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Speaker 2: hucker that they made. So the whole Privileges Committee that

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Speaker 2: White t t called silly or meaningless, I'm sorry he

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Speaker 2: might find they do have some meaning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Barry, thank you very much for that. Barry Soper,

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