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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday with us. Now I've got Mark Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Hello you too, Hey, good morning, hither morning morning, good morning,

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Speaker 2: and congratulations here right here there, I'm being on the

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Speaker 2: hot seat. That's awesome to see there.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to congratulate me on being pregnant, Jinny,

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Speaker 1: which feels like more of an achievement completely, to.

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Speaker 2: Be honest, I didn't even know their congratulations and.

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Speaker 1: That you know. I'll tell you what, Ginny. You've had babies,

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Speaker 1: haven't you.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 2: I've had toast.

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Speaker 1: Waking up at two thirty five days in a row

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Speaker 1: when you're pregnant is an absolute punished man. I've got

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Speaker 1: to tell you.

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Speaker 3: It's awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you and you've got on those big pillows

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Speaker 2: that you kind of liign.

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Speaker 1: I've got to have pillows on either side, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: you've got to have a pillow on the front to

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Speaker 1: stabilize you, because that's that's like a it's like you

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Speaker 1: can't leave forward now. But then you need a pillow

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Speaker 1: with the back so you don't roll on your back

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Speaker 1: and kill your baby over you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Hey, But I got to give a shout out to

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Speaker 3: Barry here for all the amazing support that he's given you.

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Speaker 1: Hither yea, the amazing support you imagine is happening.

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Speaker 2: Don't go there.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, to be fair, breakfasts are taken care of,

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Speaker 1: getting the other one up in the morning. It's all fine.

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Speaker 1: I get there. I get there after half past nine,

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Speaker 1: and it's the calmest situation I've ever walked into. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what my influence on the family is,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a good one. Listen, Jinny on this

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Speaker 1: business with Chris Luxon and his apartments sale. Do you

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Speaker 1: have a problem with the sale of the apartment in

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Speaker 1: the capital gains tax that he should or should not

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Speaker 1: have paid.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean that's a law. I mean there's a

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Speaker 2: law in place, and if he's abided by the law,

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Speaker 2: if he's broken the law, and then maybe I think

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Speaker 2: the bit that's hard is that people doing it tough,

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Speaker 2: who can't afford groceries or struggling to pay rent or

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Speaker 2: get stuff for kids going to school. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a bit hard for people to see that and seat

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Speaker 2: of makes sense in their own lives. But he's not

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Speaker 2: made a mistake or done anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: So he's a fabulously wealthy man. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what fabulously wealthy people do. They sell their

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Speaker 1: places and make hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, he's done everything right by the book, and I

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Speaker 2: think he can't be critical of someone if they haven't

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Speaker 2: broken the law.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 3: I just the thing is like Chris Lutson's. He was

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Speaker 3: a key we kid that grew up in a household

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Speaker 3: with his mum and there worked really hard. He worked hard,

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Speaker 3: he got himself educated. He's done well internationally. We should

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Speaker 3: celebrate that. You know, we should be encouraging our kids

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Speaker 3: to do the same things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what I feel him match, I

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit. I actually don't often feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for politicians, but I'm starting to feel a little bit

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Speaker 1: sorry for Chris Luckson because I feel like this guy

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Speaker 1: can't copper break. We're moan at him because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to live in Premier House and he's drawing him

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Speaker 1: down an allowance, and then when he finally moves into

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Speaker 1: Premier House, which is going to be a punish in winter,

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Speaker 1: then we moaned him because he sold his apartment and

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Speaker 1: made him look money off it.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you about Chris Lutson. He loves this country.

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Speaker 3: He's working hard to make us a better country and

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Speaker 3: realize our potential, and he's fully focused on that and

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Speaker 3: he's just getting on with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jenny, listen, have you got any intel on us?

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Speaker 1: For us? We's Darebi been flying to that she's racked

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Speaker 1: up a spill of thirty nine thousand and three months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm not in the multi party.

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Speaker 2: I'm not prived I can tell you what labor party happens.

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Speaker 2: Because if anyone's in the top five, you've got to

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Speaker 2: be ready to answer some questions about what where you

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Speaker 1: Did to the media, Like the media came to you,

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Speaker 1: like with WILLI. Right, So Willie racked up about twenty

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Speaker 1: He was like, this is where I spent it. I

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Speaker 1: went to the Oxford debate in London. Is that your rule?

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Speaker 1: You have to answer the questions?

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Speaker 2: No, you'd have to. If you're going to do a

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Speaker 2: trip of that size, you would have a pre approach.

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Speaker 2: So you go and talk and say what you're going

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Speaker 2: to do. But you know there's some people who live

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Speaker 2: like Far North, and the trips are expensive, so they

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Speaker 2: typically wrack up a bit more, or if they have

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Speaker 2: kids or things like that that they're bringing. But if

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Speaker 2: you're out of the normal, you need to go and say, look, hey,

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Speaker 2: this thing happened and I had to do it at

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Speaker 2: the last minute. That's the reason. Yeah, but otherwise no

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Speaker 2: one wants to have that conversation with their whips. And

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Speaker 2: you're very careful about booking things in advance so you

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Speaker 2: get the best rate and making sure you keep yourself

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Speaker 2: well under the cap.

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Speaker 1: I can hear you huffing, that's why are you having

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Speaker 1: no no.

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Speaker 3: No, it was just just it's test post by and

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Speaker 3: I just think there's got to be a high level

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Speaker 3: of transparency. I think every member of Parliament needs to

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Speaker 3: think very very carefully before they spend even one dollar

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Speaker 3: because it is tax PAS money in this an expectation

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Speaker 3: that it is used wisely.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, right is that the last

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Speaker 1: I saw the Maori Party and Debbie weren't answering any

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Speaker 1: questions about this. That's not good enough though, because that's

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Speaker 1: actually what the rules are. Much do we not need

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Speaker 1: to change the rules so there is some transparency about

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Speaker 1: what gets funneled through parliamentary services.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do think, I do think there should just

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Speaker 3: be a natural high level of transparency with members of

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Speaker 3: been spent, what they've done. That's just the right thing

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Speaker 3: to do. If the rules need to be changed, obviously

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Speaker 3: that's something that you know, whoever deals with that needs

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Speaker 3: to look at. But just on a personal basis, they

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We also where is she going? Because she only

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Speaker 1: has to go to Wanganui, doesn't she from willing to

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Speaker 1: It's not even a flight, it's a drive.

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Speaker 3: Well, the only thing that I would say is that

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Speaker 3: in terms of their portfolio or you know, so there

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Speaker 3: just be transparented around it because you show the meetings

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true. Just got a little update from

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Speaker 1: I think it's the Department of State over in the

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Speaker 1: US that there is there was no warning from Iran

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Speaker 1: before this attack on Israel overnight. Speaking of which, Mitch,

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Speaker 1: what's up with Damian O'Connor's tweet on you on the

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Speaker 1: Israel situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean he obviously he deleted that, and

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Speaker 3: it showed poor judgment. I mean, I know Damien really

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Speaker 3: well and I'm not sure what he was thinking there,

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Speaker 3: but it showed real poor judgment coming out and basically endorsing,

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Speaker 3: you know, the atrosses that we all saw on October.

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Speaker 1: Seventh, because that's how you'd have to read it, right,

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Speaker 1: that sounded like exactly what he was saying. Jinny. This

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Speaker 1: is not the first time that a member of the

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Speaker 2: I think look in an intentative areas like that, you

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Speaker 2: But it actually goes that he just feels incredibly strongly

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's why he did it. But I

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Speaker 1: I like I realized him. I realized I'm taking this

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Speaker 1: potentially a step further than it has been taken. But

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Speaker 1: the problem is, Ginny, I reckon because of the carry

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Speaker 1: the anti Semitism and stuff. Everybody's watching you guys to

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Speaker 1: see if you hold similar views, and so far Duncan

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Speaker 1: and Damien's tweets have kind of made sent a worrying signal,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think there's some really strong feelings out there

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Speaker 2: because people come to us with their concerns. It would

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Speaker 2: over social media or emails and people really feel it's

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Speaker 2: intolerable to see civilians continued to suffer so disproportionately. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's where that high passion comes from.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where we and that's where we

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Speaker 3: have to be as as members of Parliament, politicians responsible

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Speaker 3: It's a major concern and look of our Deputy Prime

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Speaker 1: Mitch, Listen, You've been in conflict zones and stuff in

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Speaker 1: your time in past lives. Are you worried about what

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Speaker 3: I'm very worried about it. So I was up in

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Speaker 3: and I am very concerned about it, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's bad for the Middle East. It's terrible for Israel,

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Speaker 3: for the Palestinians, and but for the region more, region

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Speaker 3: more broadly. But of course, you know global instability. So

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Speaker 3: I am very worried about it, and I'd like to

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Speaker 3: arts very challenging, but we've got to get it back

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Jenny, Where do we go with the Dunedin hospital situation?

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you think happens from here.

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Speaker 2: It's really tough because there's such high feeling in public

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Speaker 2: representative that people want some solutions. So I think there's

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Speaker 2: a big ass for the government to not break that

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Speaker 2: promise and to continue on track to provide it that

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Speaker 2: the South is feeling really starved of love, and that's

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Speaker 2: on top of having job losses. Having this hospital not

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Speaker 3: Well, the hospital. The hospital is going ahead, but again

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Speaker 3: it's through awful mismanagement of the prior government that you've

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Speaker 3: had a massive cost blow There's been a massive cost

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Speaker 3: blow out Genny on just about every single project that

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Speaker 3: you guys haven't delivered because you're meant to have started

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Speaker 3: that in twenty twenty. Fair So the government absolutely exactly

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Speaker 3: like the Fairies. And so this government's had to pivot.

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Speaker 3: We've had to change. We are going to be building

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Speaker 3: a new de need hospital, but we're going to have

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Speaker 3: to be doing it within a budget that actually the country.

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Speaker 4: Can afford, which Iah Oh sorry, I was just going

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Speaker 4: where were this government and Mark start taking responsibility for

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Speaker 3: They just keeping for it.

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Speaker 2: If they just keep blaming the previous government. People see

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Speaker 2: straight through there. You know they gave two point nine

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Speaker 2: rebuild would have cost three So there's your money right there.

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Speaker 3: You don't know how to manage projects, you don't know

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Speaker 3: how to deliver project and we're making decisions. We're making

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Speaker 3: doing it within our means in terms of what we

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what match I think. I think both

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Speaker 1: of you guys have got a point right. I know

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Speaker 1: Labour absolutely mismanaged, but what is happening right now is

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Speaker 1: something completely different which your government is going to wear

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Speaker 1: if you guys don't sort this out, which is the

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Speaker 1: choices that you're making right, because you can't spare three

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Speaker 1: billion on a hospital, but you can spend two billion

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Speaker 1: on a highway in Wellington and you can spend three

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Speaker 1: billion on getting the tax settings right for landlords, and

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Speaker 1: that those choices are your problem. How do you defend that?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's easy. We're going to We're investing into the

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Speaker 3: infrastructure that we need as a country to get us

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Speaker 3: more productive and to create better lives in a high

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Speaker 3: wage economy. So yes, and we're going to deliver a

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Speaker 3: the need and hospital. We're going to deliver world class

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Speaker 3: to need in hospital. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 3: one of the most money spent on a hospital in

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Speaker 3: we as a country can afford because unlike labor, who

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Speaker 3: thinks you just go back and keep appropriating more money

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Speaker 3: and borrowing more money, we can't afford that as a country.

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Speaker 1: So the gold standard has gone. No more gold standard fairies,

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Speaker 1: nor more gold standard hospital. We just kind of cut

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Speaker 3: Well, you can still have world class, gold standard infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: but you can have it built at we're going to spend.

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Speaker 3: We're going to spend. We're going to spend the money

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Speaker 3: on it that we can afford as a country. We

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Speaker 3: can't continue to do what labor was doing and borrowing

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Speaker 3: incessantly and dry.

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Speaker 2: We get to borrow least. You're going to scheme list

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Speaker 2: and you're going to deliver more. Those three things. Is

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Speaker 2: that the Bermuda triangle just well, people see through that.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're definitely going to deliver more because you guys

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Speaker 3: delivered nothing, so absolutely we're going to deliver more.

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