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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Award winning actress Renna Owen has cemented herself in the

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Speaker 2: very top echelons of Kiwi, TV and Film Royalty. She's

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Speaker 2: had an epic acting career with roles and everything from

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Speaker 2: Once Were Warriors to Star Wars to Fenna to Shortland Street.

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Speaker 2: Rena stars in productions that create lasting legacies and tell

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Speaker 2: important stories about New Zealand. And She's recently taken part

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Speaker 2: in a really interesting new documentary called Tucky Doer Breaking Barriers.

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Speaker 2: It's about the Tucky Doer Theater, a daring ensemble of

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Speaker 2: artists and activists who helped shattered not our cultural norms,

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Speaker 2: broke barriers and pioneered a bicultural partnership. And Rena Owen

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Speaker 2: is with us in Studio Calda.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Tenna, Quid Jack. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: It's such a joy to see you in person. For

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Speaker 2: all of our listeners who might not have heard of

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Speaker 2: it before or maybe recognized the name, tell us a

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Speaker 2: little bit about Tucky Door.

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Speaker 3: Tucky Doer Theater was in its prime heyday was in

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Speaker 3: Wellington and it's where, for those who may not know,

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Speaker 3: I did a film call once We're Warriors thirty years

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Speaker 3: ago and this theater space, which was first called Depot Theater,

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Speaker 3: provided us with a space where that nurtured Maldi talent, writers, actors.

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Speaker 3: I first got involved when I was invited down by

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Speaker 3: Jim Moriarty to do the first ever theat at My season,

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Speaker 3: which was in nineteen ninety. We were going through one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty year celebration of Teddy t Or White

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Speaker 3: Tongy So and it was Maldy doing everything acting, writing, producing, directing, drama.

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Speaker 3: And I thought, oh, I've got to come and live

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Speaker 3: in Wellington because this is where theater is. As an actor,

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Speaker 3: you've got to learn your craft. And so this space

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Speaker 3: was there during that time of pivotal changes, which we

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Speaker 3: had a wonderful fabric of comata who were mostly women,

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Speaker 3: so I call them the founding mothers. Kiddy Cartunya Baker, Sunny,

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Speaker 3: Amy Roner, all of these women who literally most creative

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Speaker 3: artists have a space for humanity rather than politics. So

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Speaker 3: they're not afraid, they're not thinking about political things. They're thinking, hey,

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Speaker 3: we need to this is a season where we need

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Speaker 3: to start creating and dedicating the space to the Maldi voice,

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Speaker 3: to Maldi stories. And the following year, nineteen ninety one

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Speaker 3: is when they did the renaming ceremony of changing the

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Speaker 3: depot is what it was called to Takiua the weaving

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Speaker 3: of two. That same year, play Market published a book

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Speaker 3: heredair Hoe, which was five plays by Maldi playwrights. So

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Speaker 3: a lot of us came out of that stable, A

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Speaker 3: lot of us learned our craft there before Tucky Do

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Speaker 3: Though theater I was first started in New Zealand with

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Speaker 3: is where I met Leta Mahori and Do We Are Brown?

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Speaker 3: And I had gone to drama school in London, and

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Speaker 3: it's a craft people. I couldn't have done what I

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Speaker 3: did with Beth Heckare without learning my craft and all

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Speaker 3: those years of theater and so Takey Doo gave us

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Speaker 3: that space to write plays. I wanted to work with

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Speaker 3: weak Cookie Car, so I wrote a play called Daddy's

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Speaker 3: Girl so I could work with Weak Cookie Car. I

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Speaker 3: drama turned, I stage managed, I directed, I produced. We

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Speaker 3: all did everything to create this vibrant theater space, and

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Speaker 3: it became hugely successful. We had full houses. Every show

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Speaker 3: huge commercial success, which is not easy to do in

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Speaker 2: Commercial success in theater often in the same time.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not. I waited tables, I cleaned toilets. I

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Speaker 3: did all those jobs that other actors do to pay

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Speaker 3: to a breaking barriers when it all my handed over

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Speaker 3: the reins for me to play the role of Ruby.

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Speaker 3: That is still to this date one of the best

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Speaker 3: pieces of theater I have ever worked on. And it

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Speaker 3: links into Once Were Warriors because we toured Futting a

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Speaker 3: audacity of my youth throwing them up. Ah, Kilder, my

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Speaker 3: name's Renna Owen, and I'm in this play called not

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Speaker 3: character that's a lot like Beth heickeett. I would love

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Speaker 3: the process. But a year before then was actually my

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Speaker 3: first encounter was with Alan duff in the Book and

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Speaker 3: Dylan's Bookstore. Because they knew our co op Tucky to

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Speaker 3: me if i'd present a reading of his second novel,

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Speaker 3: One Night Out Out Stealing, and so I did, and

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Speaker 3: having to read this extract and Allen thought the whole

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Speaker 3: once I started to read. He turned around and he

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Speaker 3: You read it? You read it exactly the way I

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Speaker 3: my book? Once? We're worried because you'd make a great Beth.

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Speaker 3: And he got a copy of the publisher and he

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Speaker 3: So so that started then, yes, and then with Futu

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Speaker 3: It's like any craft. The more you do it, the

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Speaker 3: It's about craft. It's about the one oh ones of

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Speaker 2: Story thirty years Yes, Once We're Warriors. How do you

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Speaker 3: Ah, it's kind of yeahs you go wow. Thirty years

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Speaker 3: end of October. And this documentary, which I'm a small

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Speaker 3: We're Warriors, and the whole theme being more than the movie?

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Speaker 3: It's really hit home this year, thirty years because I

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Speaker 3: the live action film. I've had so many of our

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Speaker 3: So to now be a role model for all of

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Speaker 3: And what we have going for us as a nation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like there's you were speaking about

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Speaker 2: out right. You can go from taky Tou through to

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Speaker 2: There is a consistent line there. Yes, And like you

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Speaker 3: a fucker, Poppa. It is all what I need to

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Speaker 3: to be the biggest Polynesian film in the world, and

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Speaker 3: but I'm the strength of many. So with me comes

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Speaker 3: all my tupuna kality, my father, my friends, Taki Doua,

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Speaker 3: So just the only thing I'd like to leave with

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Speaker 2: It is such a pleasure to speak, honestly, we could

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Speaker 2: go all day. Congratulations on Muana, which you're about to

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jack, and thank you for having me hockey.

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