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Speaker 2: Hellout you great, you said listen. Welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full Show, Pod number one oh five for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the ninth of April twenty twenty five. A warning. A

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Speaker 2: start of the show, we say we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about lip filler and botox gone wrong. We don't get

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Speaker 2: round to it. But the other conversation was so good,

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Speaker 2: especially later in the show. Some heartbreaking stories about fraud.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and some great kiwis who make things in this

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Speaker 3: country telling their stories.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then we will tell you at the end of

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Speaker 2: the show what you do with an l paka spits

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, believe that you wouldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: With animal behaviorist Mark Vetti anyway. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: much for listening. I think I already said that. All right,

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Speaker 1: Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 4: News talk said the.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show for this

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon seven past one. Hope you're doing well whatever

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Speaker 3: you're listening in the country, Get a mat to get a.

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Speaker 2: Tyler, good avyone. Great to be here. I've got a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a mere culpa. So yesterday I was

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Speaker 2: saying I support dropping kids off at malls and such

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Speaker 2: at a young age to develop independence. I was waxing

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Speaker 2: lyrical that I dropped my kids off at mauls when

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Speaker 2: they were very little.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I was talking tolf about how I built resilience in

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Speaker 2: my kids by dropping them off unsupervised at mauls at

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Speaker 2: the age of seven.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I have been fat checked by my family on this

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Speaker 2: quite okay, right, okay, big, I'll just read the statement

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Speaker 2: Bullocks when he was seven, he was with ten year

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Speaker 2: olds to look after him. Also, remember when the kids

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Speaker 2: first went to the shops, you followed them down the road,

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Speaker 2: hiding behind trees to make sure they were okay, Actually

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Speaker 2: you did that when they first went to the mall.

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Speaker 2: That time you were secretly following them around the mall

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Speaker 2: after you drop them off.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So that's what the statement has been read.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean I wasn't building resilience because they

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Speaker 2: didn't know I was hiding behind trees, following them to

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Speaker 2: the shop to make sure they were okay. As far

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Speaker 2: as they were concerned. They were out on their own

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Speaker 2: making their own decisions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The fact that I was a little bit nervous and

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Speaker 2: to the shops for the first time, and the fact

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Speaker 2: that I might have been, you know, at the other

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Speaker 2: end of the mall when the first time they were

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Speaker 2: looking around the mall, they as far as they knew.

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Speaker 5: Yea, they were.

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Speaker 2: They were out there on their own, independent, free from dead.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And there was no malice leaving that information out yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It was just slipped your mind. Slipped your mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, it did actually slip my mind. It was a

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Speaker 2: while ago, now, about ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: There we go, all right, the statement is read, so

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Speaker 3: we could put that all right, very good. On to

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Speaker 3: today's show, super quick after three point thirty, Mark Viddi

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Speaker 3: is going to be on for our Ask the Experts series.

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Speaker 3: You know him well by now. He is an animal

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Speaker 3: behavior expert and is taking all your questions on anything

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Speaker 3: to do with your beloved pets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take any questions on any pets. But we've

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Speaker 2: been getting a lot of dog ones lately. So if

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Speaker 2: you've got something around another another flavor of animal, we'd

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Speaker 2: like to we'd like to get stuck into that as well.

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Speaker 2: But get those coming through nine two nine two or

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Speaker 3: Ten eighty after three o'clock lip filler story in the

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Speaker 3: But the white A question we want to ask is

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Speaker 3: why why the lot feller? What's the appeal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Why are you risking so much getting your lips

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Speaker 2: just don't understand it all? Yea, what does it look better?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll get onto that later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is after three o'clock. After two o'clock. It

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Speaker 3: was a sad story about a fraudster whose San Cave business.

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Speaker 3: In fourteen months, Liz don o'hue was her name, she

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Speaker 2: Has this happened to you? And what are the signs

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Speaker 2: that other people should look out for? And hundred at

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty Have you done it? Have you ripped

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Speaker 2: You want to get it off your chest. You don't

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Speaker 2: us to understand the psychology of why people do this,

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Speaker 2: because obviously they do it for the money. But I

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Speaker 2: think there's something more going on, definitely more. My god,

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Speaker 2: the anxiety that you'd live with when you were ripping

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Speaker 3: Yep, there must be. That is after two o'clock though,

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Speaker 3: because right now we want to have a talk about

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Speaker 3: of the terriff situation unfolding. An interesting piece written by

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Speaker 3: Rod McNaughton is his name. He's a professor of business

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Speaker 3: that we should be focusing on producing more things right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. He's not arging against trade. We need

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Speaker 2: And you know in COVID for example, you know we

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Speaker 2: be making our own medicines here? And you know, if

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Speaker 2: how hard is it? Can you compete? What would you

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Speaker 2: Because we don't want to put tariffs on but there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he made mention and we all know it,

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Speaker 3: And to reduce that vulnerability, we should be thinking about

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Speaker 2: Well you we've just heard today the government has prioritized

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Speaker 2: carpets over synthetic materials. From July, all government buildings worth

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Speaker 2: more than nine million dollars in furbishments with a price

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Speaker 2: will where possible, and Winston Peter's in New Zealand First

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Speaker 2: has championed this. But as that a way should the

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Speaker 2: government be buying you know, if it's not miles and

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Speaker 2: like buying our will?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Great question. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you if you are producing items, produce

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Speaker 3: What are the hurdles that are put in your way?

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Speaker 3: And should we be investing more in our own products

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Speaker 3: and buying New Zealand made. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: One and always it's an opportunity for you plug your

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Speaker 2: little business of your manufacturing something who were open to

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Speaker 2: your plugging yourself.

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Speaker 3: Certainly are we love it.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: used talks, they'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: And we are talking about building things here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: producing things here in New Zealand. Is that a strategy

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Speaker 3: we need to lean into more in the face of

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Speaker 3: tariff situation unfolding in the US and around the world. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of great texts coming through, particularly about the wall

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Speaker 2: I reckon the knitting wool retail industry. It will be

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Speaker 2: fantastic if all our stock could be made in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: But there are not enough wall mills left any more

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Speaker 2: with the skills to run and maintain them. Some of

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Speaker 2: our supplieres get stock spun and died in China and

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Speaker 2: can be over nine mile wow, So it's just not

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Speaker 2: worth doing it here, Emily, Yeah, you am, well that's

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Speaker 3: Certainly is? Nikolai? How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 8: Hi there guys, I'm great. Thanks are you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Very good? And what's your thoughts about New Zealand needing

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Speaker 3: to produce more of its own things here?

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Speaker 8: Well, I actually have a bit of a hands on

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Speaker 8: approach to this problem. I found an old jacket in

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Speaker 8: Covid and it was from this New Zealand made brown

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Speaker 8: brand called Oscar. I'd never heard of it, and then

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Speaker 8: all the way from nineteen twenty one until right up

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Speaker 8: just thought it was a travesty that we didn't make

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Speaker 8: the last four years wow, bringing them back.

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Speaker 2: And what are the challenges been, Nikolay.

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Speaker 8: I would say the challenges have been firstly, the cost

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Speaker 8: of materials and manufacturing is obviously a lot higher. A

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Speaker 8: lot of people go for the design in New Zealand

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Speaker 8: approach at the moment where they just take a few

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Speaker 8: nice photos in Queenstanne slapper design in New Zealand on

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Speaker 8: it and then call it day. But for me, I

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Speaker 8: I just I've gone and found all the history of

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Speaker 8: the brand. Had a Norwegian immigrant. His name was Oscar Oscar.

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Speaker 8: He turned up and he turned up in New Zealand

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Speaker 8: and nineteen twenties, and then he went on. This used

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Speaker 8: then you eventually started making these jackets. Then the company

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Speaker 8: had over one hundred people in it and about nineteen

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Speaker 8: fifty nine as a two story building. In fact, the

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Speaker 8: entire woman we had over ten thousand people working in

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Speaker 8: fashion and manufacturing. Then yeah, by the nineties or the

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Speaker 8: Roger knows, it all kind of collapsed. Uh yeah, because

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Speaker 8: And they're gonna live their collar like New Zealand later

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking at your heritage jacket, the pr black

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Speaker 8: But I'm a big believer that if you see I've

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love your tagline. Who will you pass it

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was something like fifteen percent of New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: And there's no micro fibers and this is there, no.

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Speaker 2: So you know you're getting this premium canvas out of Japan,

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Speaker 8: I'm actually selling Chinese made uh and where the Wolmar

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you could buy. I mean, the idea would

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Speaker 8: Exactly. That's what I'm trying. I try to show people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well good on you, mate, Oscar. I'd check it out.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the good looking jack it will last

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Speaker 3: you multiple generations. Nikolai you're a good man. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great brands like lidiag shoes. Yeah, they disappeared, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about producing more things here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: It is an argument made by Rod mc norden, he's

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Speaker 2: It's not a terrift thing. It's not about shielding firms

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Speaker 2: This is what Rod mc norton is talking about. Russell

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Speaker 13: I'm just calling in behalf of my wife. She can't

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Speaker 13: To actually get ahead that she's had.

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Speaker 9: To pivot into becoming a newdidit artist. So she now

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Speaker 9: produces unique New Zealand art, handmade ordery arts done on

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Speaker 9: and Horner, and she sells that globally around the world.

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Speaker 9: Now she's been picked up by Rodin Gun. She's shown

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Speaker 9: Globally, she's exhibited in a number of galleries across New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: But she just struggled so much to get ahead.

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Speaker 13: To get ahead in the fashion industry in this country.

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Speaker 13: Because of the problems manufacturing the fashion pieces, she's had

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Speaker 2: Untilely So Russell described her art. So, it's it's fabric art, yes.

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Speaker 9: oh well it's her website.

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Speaker 13: So basically what she does.

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Speaker 2: What did you say, Testy? Sorry, what did you say,

441
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Speaker 2: Kathy James.

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Speaker 9: Katy Jane j and Eh Jane yep designs dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yep, got it? Yeah, got it?

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Speaker 13: So basically Saxon industrial saying machine and she pitches pictures.

445
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Speaker 13: It's her pencil upside down, back to front, undisolvable special

446
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Speaker 13: fabric wow dissolved in fabric art and makes images of

447
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Speaker 13: New Zealand's Flora and Warner.

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Speaker 2: It's very cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful designs.

450
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Speaker 13: And you had to pivot out of the fashion industry

451
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Speaker 13: because she just couldn't. She had her own somewhere brand.

452
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Speaker 13: She was shown in the swim and all us up,

453
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Speaker 13: but she just couldn't get a manufacturing off the ground

454
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Speaker 13: in New Zealand. And it would either go off shore

455
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Speaker 13: and manufacture or pivot away into using her talents in

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Speaker 13: another area completely.

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Speaker 2: I might use this giant tower cover leaf three D

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Speaker 2: thread sculpture number three is a sort of fig leaf

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Speaker 2: type swimwear. But you said you said it was in

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Speaker 2: do you say that it's on sale and and Rod

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Speaker 2: and Gunn Is that what you said?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So the designers, the store designers at gun and

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Speaker 9: picked her up as one of their hardests that.

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Speaker 13: They use in their store for up Right just had

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Speaker 13: four pieces put up and in brand New New York

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Speaker 13: for Avenue store.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 13: On the wall of the store is Warriber pieces up.

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Speaker 14: In the store.

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting. So you start off, you start off

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Speaker 2: designing clothes and then you end up selling the wall

473
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Speaker 2: hangings for clothes stores. That's an interesting pivot.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but she's got this amazing creative talent, and she

475
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Speaker 13: just couldn't make it in the fashion history because of

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Speaker 13: the manufacturing challenges. Yeah, this was a natural way to

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Speaker 13: use that challenge to promote Land globally. Yeah, contributing to

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Speaker 13: the industry.

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Speaker 2: Well, tell you what, good honor and check out Kathy

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Speaker 2: Jane Designs dot com. Yeah, have a look at the stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty cool, Russell, thank you very much. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that is a great insights and good on Kathy Jane

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Speaker 3: who transitioned into something that is clearly successful. But that's

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Speaker 3: how we'll solve our economy. We'll all just do art,

485
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Speaker 3: ye transition into art.

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Speaker 2: If we all just do art to be hung on

487
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Speaker 2: the walls of shops around the globe, then no problems

488
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Speaker 2: will be completely and utterly protected from the ups and

489
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Speaker 2: downs of the global economy.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how you get into the game of just

491
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Speaker 3: hanging your art in places like Rod and Gunn. Do

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Speaker 3: you just rock up to them and say, I've got

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Speaker 3: this beautiful art.

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Speaker 15: You need it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's in the New York store, so they must have.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Actually that would have been a good question to ask,

498
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Speaker 2: but we didn't know how she sorted that out. But

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Speaker 2: she's done very well for your time.

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Speaker 3: Got the headlines coming up ectually, Russell, you're still there.

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Speaker 3: We're horribly lay But how did she get into teaming

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Speaker 3: up with Rod and Gun?

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Speaker 13: So she exhibits in them one of the premier galleries

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Speaker 13: in Auckland and have an agreement with Rod and Gun

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Speaker 13: and the designer goes to the poor of de pieces

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Speaker 13: for On and Gun. And he walked into the store,

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Speaker 13: saw her piece and fell in love with them and.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the street Bostick, do you go?

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Speaker 2: There's a question answered.

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Speaker 3: That's the answer. It is twenty seven to to.

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Speaker 14: Jus talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

512
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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. From July, all new

513
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Speaker 14: government buildings worth more than nine million dollars and refurbishments

514
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Speaker 14: costing more than one hundred thousand must use kiwe wool

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Speaker 14: carpet and insulation where possible. New Zealand's aiming to boost

516
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Speaker 14: trade with the United Arab Emirates, with the Trade Minister

517
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Speaker 14: attending Abu Dhabi's Annual Investment Congress. Police are investigating allegations

518
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Speaker 14: of assault at Auckland's Kingsway Christian School near Silverdale Executive

519
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Speaker 14: principal Graham Butler says this relates to outdated disciplinary practices.

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Speaker 14: Labour leader Chrisitkins says head back Andrew Little to become

521
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Speaker 14: Wellington's mayor after he's announced he's considering the top job.

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Speaker 14: A machinery item and a passenger's carry on that had

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Speaker 14: residual fuel is to blame for a flight from Blenham

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Speaker 14: to Auckland Divertington, New Plymouth yesterday after passengers reported smelling fuel.

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Speaker 14: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade has launched a

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Speaker 14: dedicated email address and hotline for businesses with questions around

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Speaker 14: US tariffs On the up, can we butcher a cut

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Speaker 14: above almost all the rest after taking our third place

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Speaker 14: in the world. You can get the full story at

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Speaker 14: d said Herold Premium back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about producing

532
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Speaker 3: more things here in you New Zealand's on the back

533
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Speaker 3: of a thesis an article in The Conversation by Rod McNaughton.

534
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Speaker 3: He's a professor of business who argued that we should

535
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Speaker 3: be producing a whole lot more stuff here on the

536
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Speaker 3: back of the tariff situation. But it's not anti free trade,

537
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Speaker 3: that's a very important part of it, but it's making

538
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Speaker 3: us more resilient on those things that we rely on

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Speaker 3: if there is international trade disruption.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not about shielding firms from competition. It's about

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Speaker 2: growing u capabilities from the ground up and the things

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Speaker 2: that we don't you know, important goods, critical critical to

543
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Speaker 2: New Zealand, machinery, pharmaceuticals, digital infrastructure, fertilizers and food processing.

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Speaker 2: You know what he's saying. If any of these supply

545
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Speaker 2: chains are disrupted, we're not just inconvenience, we are exposed.

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Speaker 2: So there's strategic reasons to do it as well, as

547
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Speaker 2: I was saying before. When we didn't, we found out

548
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Speaker 2: that we didn't manufacture a lot of stuff we needed

549
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Speaker 2: during COVID in the country, such as ppe Marcus says. Seriously, guys,

550
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Speaker 2: the two examples you've had on air about New Zealand

551
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Speaker 2: produced things say that all overpriced things for people looking

552
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Speaker 2: for ways to spend their money, utterly useless for the majority.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for that, Marcus. Nothing wrong with rich people, nothing

554
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Speaker 2: wrong with selling to rich people.

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Speaker 3: In clothing, you know, good quality clothing is what we

556
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Speaker 3: used to produce in New Zealand. There was a lot

557
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Speaker 3: of very successful brands Icebreaker, cat Men do Macpack. They

558
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Speaker 3: were all started here, they produced clothes here. Then those

559
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Speaker 3: particular businesses have been purchased by international conglomerates and now

560
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Speaker 3: they make them overseas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and buying stuff from disgusting places like Timu isn't

562
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Speaker 2: necessarily a wise budget decision buying hundreds and hundreds of

563
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Speaker 2: useless things as opposed to one really good thing. But

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Speaker 2: I do get Marcus's point. I mean, we're not going

565
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Speaker 2: to secure our economy strategically by selling art that's not

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Speaker 2: well sweet for sure. I mean we're going to be

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Speaker 2: the Wahiki Island of the nineties globally, is that we're

568
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Speaker 2: going to be this Texas is we used to. We

569
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Speaker 2: once had quite a lot of industry, employing a lot

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Speaker 2: of skilled people people. Then the labor government of the

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Speaker 2: late nineteen eighties lowered all the tariffs and the clowns,

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Speaker 2: and if m Fat was with Helling, Clark's government got

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Speaker 2: the free trade craze and entered in agreement with China. Well,

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Speaker 2: the well jobs went and we went backwards to a

575
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Speaker 2: farm reliant economy with a population of low paid peasants.

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Speaker 2: Free trade has the consequences everywhere, which is why most

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Speaker 2: countries are not as dumb as US. Most countries have

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Speaker 2: tariffs exceptful within small groups with mutual benefits. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's one way of looking at Another way of looking

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Speaker 2: at it is that the UK into the EU and

581
00:27:45,613 --> 00:27:49,733
Speaker 2: we'd had all their eggs in that basket and we

582
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Speaker 2: were stockpiling butter and we were absolutely broke. And when

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Speaker 2: that gave government came in and saw the box. After

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Speaker 2: Rob muldoon left, they went, oh my goodness, we can't

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Speaker 2: keep subsidizing, and we became the free market com we

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Speaker 2: are now. And look there's been some problems, but you've

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Speaker 2: got to say that opened up a lot. The New

588
00:28:09,733 --> 00:28:12,253
Speaker 2: Zealand has absolutely opened up to the up to the world.

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Speaker 2: But maybe we haven't got the balance exactly right, and

590
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Speaker 2: maybe we could encourage industries in New Zealand not going

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Speaker 2: the tariff way as as this professor says. As Auckland

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Speaker 2: University Professor and of Entrepreneurship A. Rod McNaughton says, he's

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Speaker 2: suggesting it could mean encouraging research institutes developed substitutes for

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Speaker 2: materials we currently source offshore. Universities and other research organizations

595
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:41,773
Speaker 2: can play a vital role by collaborating with startups and

596
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Speaker 2: small or meat and size businesses that can accelerate innovation

597
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Speaker 2: from prototype to production. Tertiary intostation institutions can help translate

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Speaker 2: research into real world resilience. Public procurement could also be

599
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Speaker 2: better leverage. Government contracts could reward suppliers who helped produce

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Speaker 2: reduce import dependency.

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Speaker 3: Quick A couple of texts, then we're going to play

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Speaker 3: some messages. Hey guys, most people prefer to buy from

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Speaker 3: TU to cost no way we compete with that, which

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Speaker 3: is sad. I refuse to by from TIMU and support

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Speaker 3: locals often as I can. I also do knitting for

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Speaker 3: charity and only buy New Zealand will. But unfortunately people

607
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Speaker 3: often go for the lowest price good regardless of quality.

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Speaker 3: That needs to change.

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Speaker 2: Cured on your Kruski A tastic key.

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Speaker 6: We love it.

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Speaker 3: It is nineteen to cool.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talk.

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be good afternoon. We've asked the question, do we

616
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Speaker 3: need to be producing more things here in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and bring back some manufacturing to the country. On the

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Speaker 3: back of a article where a professor of business at

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Speaker 3: Auckland University argues we should be doing that to build

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Speaker 3: up resilience.

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Speaker 2: Dave says, I don't think we should kid ourselves about

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Speaker 2: our free trade. We have a fifteen percent tariffs on

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Speaker 2: every tariff that on everything that comes into the country.

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Speaker 2: It's called gest Wow. We have got fifteen percent on

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Speaker 2: absolutely everything, and it's manufactured in New Zealand as well,

626
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Speaker 2: obviously have fifteen percent. Thank goodness, we're getting fifty fifteen

627
00:30:03,333 --> 00:30:05,933
Speaker 2: percent of the stuff being brought off TIMU exactly because

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Speaker 2: New Zealand citizens seem to be intent of pouring all

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Speaker 2: the money in our country down the drain to buy

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Speaker 2: trash from overseas. Yeah, so thank goodness, we're getting fifteen

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Speaker 2: percent of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to clip the ticket somewhere, don't we.

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Speaker 3: Ben How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 16: Thanks, But this is a bit of a tentative topping

636
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Speaker 16: for me. I've always felt that as a country we've

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Speaker 16: produced our own stuff and pretty much relying on ourselves

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00:30:36,773 --> 00:30:39,933
Speaker 16: back in the old days. And it's quite proud you know,

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Speaker 16: you only go to look around in the history with

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Speaker 16: Brittany John Britain for an example, mclarence and we used

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Speaker 16: to produce the tricker here and simple, the toyotas and

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Speaker 16: the old jaguars, and man, yeah, there's there's so many things.

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Speaker 16: And yeah, I've just I've noticed that there seems to

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Speaker 16: be a lot of people inheriting the grandparents or the

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Speaker 16: appearance businesses, uh and then telling them, yeah, and this

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Speaker 16: is a problem. This is a this is a big,

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Speaker 16: big problem.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm just one for not acting cameo and I'm

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Speaker 16: one for holding on to things for you know, I

651
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Speaker 16: don't want to boast here, but you know I've been

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Speaker 16: here as my my fremperance station. Yes I get a

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Speaker 16: dimitum each year, but you know I could sell that

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Speaker 16: in the city three million dollars.

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Speaker 3: It's a farming station.

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Speaker 17: Obviously, it's a yeah, yeah, and you know, you know

657
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Speaker 17: it's yeah, tempting, but never do because it's been that,

658
00:31:48,853 --> 00:31:52,573
Speaker 17: you know, through three three generations.

659
00:31:52,653 --> 00:31:55,773
Speaker 2: Yeah you have you got kids been yeah.

660
00:31:55,853 --> 00:31:57,333
Speaker 16: Yeah, And I'm trying to figure out a way that

661
00:31:57,413 --> 00:32:00,173
Speaker 16: I can make it so that they can't for the

662
00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:02,933
Speaker 16: fact that they that they will, but you know, I

663
00:32:03,013 --> 00:32:04,773
Speaker 16: know I just stay well clear of it because you know,

664
00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:06,253
Speaker 16: I hated I hated the farm.

665
00:32:06,373 --> 00:32:08,693
Speaker 13: You know, I got out of it here.

666
00:32:09,373 --> 00:32:13,853
Speaker 16: Suits I could and live to the city and the

667
00:32:14,093 --> 00:32:16,733
Speaker 16: set of trade, and I'm happy days in the trade,

668
00:32:16,813 --> 00:32:18,413
Speaker 16: you know, speaking of that, you know, like I'm in

669
00:32:18,453 --> 00:32:21,173
Speaker 16: the jowdery trade. And I noticed we've produced a lot

670
00:32:21,173 --> 00:32:24,013
Speaker 16: of trees here and here we go sending them over

671
00:32:24,093 --> 00:32:28,013
Speaker 16: to somewhere our seas to go and produce plan we

672
00:32:28,173 --> 00:32:30,493
Speaker 16: need to have a plywood factory. And the excuses aren't

673
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:33,213
Speaker 16: the same thing. I think the we don't have people

674
00:32:33,293 --> 00:32:36,213
Speaker 16: here to work the factories and what and you know,

675
00:32:36,293 --> 00:32:37,853
Speaker 16: we've got a lot of people that are on the dole.

676
00:32:37,853 --> 00:32:39,533
Speaker 16: And I think the government is doing the right thing

677
00:32:39,613 --> 00:32:43,253
Speaker 16: with chasing up the people that are on job secret

678
00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,613
Speaker 16: benefits and pointing out who is and who is a

679
00:32:46,053 --> 00:32:48,613
Speaker 16: bludgeon because you know, we could fill those boys of

680
00:32:48,653 --> 00:32:50,813
Speaker 16: that with a bit of hard love. But well, you

681
00:32:50,853 --> 00:32:54,013
Speaker 16: don't work. Here's the job, that's the career. But mess

682
00:32:54,493 --> 00:32:57,893
Speaker 16: we really need to get back to being what we used.

683
00:32:58,013 --> 00:33:01,533
Speaker 16: What we did quite well was to stay ourselves and

684
00:33:02,173 --> 00:33:06,813
Speaker 16: after COVID, you know, there was another reason why sort

685
00:33:06,813 --> 00:33:10,413
Speaker 16: of backed up what I'm saying is, you know, to

686
00:33:10,773 --> 00:33:12,253
Speaker 16: do with for independent, I mean.

687
00:33:12,213 --> 00:33:14,653
Speaker 2: That discussed all of us, that whole Plywood situation. It

688
00:33:14,773 --> 00:33:17,053
Speaker 2: just seems so counterintuitive. But to go back to that,

689
00:33:17,493 --> 00:33:20,653
Speaker 2: so you're actually working the station now, living on and

690
00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:21,813
Speaker 2: working the station.

691
00:33:23,053 --> 00:33:27,613
Speaker 16: No, no, I see, yeah, it's the case of the dots.

692
00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:29,133
Speaker 16: I ain't broke right that.

693
00:33:30,773 --> 00:33:30,973
Speaker 4: Least.

694
00:33:31,693 --> 00:33:34,533
Speaker 16: Let's the manager in charge here, the accountants looking after it,

695
00:33:34,613 --> 00:33:36,893
Speaker 16: the shepbards, seven shepherds.

696
00:33:36,573 --> 00:33:38,213
Speaker 2: On it, and it's profitable.

697
00:33:38,253 --> 00:33:42,053
Speaker 16: Yeah, well I get paid each year, so that must be.

698
00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:44,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've got that thirty three million dollars hanging

699
00:33:45,013 --> 00:33:47,613
Speaker 2: over your head that you could just cash out right

700
00:33:47,693 --> 00:33:50,973
Speaker 2: now and just be a fat cat for the rest

701
00:33:51,013 --> 00:33:53,533
Speaker 2: of your life. That that must be the position to

702
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:53,973
Speaker 2: be in, Ben.

703
00:33:55,173 --> 00:33:57,333
Speaker 16: That is when when I see some years are great,

704
00:33:57,413 --> 00:33:59,693
Speaker 16: but then some years we've got to do some maintenance

705
00:33:59,693 --> 00:34:02,893
Speaker 16: on it. On we've got to upgrade the fleet of

706
00:34:03,813 --> 00:34:04,693
Speaker 16: everyone gets you use.

707
00:34:05,093 --> 00:34:05,293
Speaker 3: Yeah.

708
00:34:05,693 --> 00:34:09,252
Speaker 16: So so yeah, those of the things can play play

709
00:34:09,652 --> 00:34:13,692
Speaker 16: on the dividend and you know, tis think it are.

710
00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:15,852
Speaker 9: My bit.

711
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:17,773
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what good on you?

712
00:34:17,893 --> 00:34:18,053
Speaker 15: Ben?

713
00:34:18,173 --> 00:34:18,373
Speaker 3: Yeah?

714
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:24,573
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, you know I will not I couldn't Yeah, yeah,

715
00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:27,773
Speaker 16: but we just need to hold on the things to

716
00:34:27,813 --> 00:34:32,813
Speaker 16: be millionaires overnight. Yeah, and continue the tradition. Backbone backbone.

717
00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:37,773
Speaker 2: You are right, you are a backboneer, Ben, And thank

718
00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:38,573
Speaker 2: you so much for your call.

719
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:42,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's great. I mean, good on them three million,

720
00:34:42,893 --> 00:34:45,013
Speaker 3: not even taking away slices off the land just to

721
00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:45,732
Speaker 3: get a couple of meal.

722
00:34:45,893 --> 00:34:48,333
Speaker 2: I reckon you would sell out your ancestors, Tyler for

723
00:34:48,413 --> 00:34:51,493
Speaker 2: thirty three dollars, Ben been.

724
00:34:51,493 --> 00:34:52,573
Speaker 3: Is thirty three mil.

725
00:34:52,653 --> 00:34:55,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, is the best of us?

726
00:34:55,853 --> 00:34:58,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolute backbone. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is

727
00:34:58,533 --> 00:35:00,733
Speaker 3: the number to call. Keen on your thoughts. If you

728
00:35:00,773 --> 00:35:03,333
Speaker 3: do produce things here in New Zealand, how hard is it?

729
00:35:03,413 --> 00:35:05,693
Speaker 3: Are the challenges that don't need to be there? And

730
00:35:05,933 --> 00:35:08,733
Speaker 3: is it a good idea that we look to have

731
00:35:08,853 --> 00:35:12,293
Speaker 3: a strategic change to produce more things here in this country?

732
00:35:12,413 --> 00:35:13,613
Speaker 3: It is ten to two.

733
00:35:15,893 --> 00:35:19,453
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

734
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

735
00:35:22,173 --> 00:35:24,333
Speaker 1: afternoons news DOGSB.

736
00:35:24,773 --> 00:35:26,893
Speaker 3: News Dogs B. It is eight to two and we're

737
00:35:26,933 --> 00:35:29,373
Speaker 3: talking about producing more things here in New Zealand. It

738
00:35:29,533 --> 00:35:33,253
Speaker 3: is an argument made by Rod McNaughton, who's a professor

739
00:35:33,293 --> 00:35:36,252
Speaker 3: of business at Auckland University. It's not anti free trade

740
00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:38,413
Speaker 3: that is important to us as an island nation, but

741
00:35:38,533 --> 00:35:41,773
Speaker 3: it is about building more resilience and producing some more

742
00:35:41,813 --> 00:35:43,293
Speaker 3: of those things that we deeply rely on.

743
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:44,013
Speaker 15: Yeah.

744
00:35:44,053 --> 00:35:46,413
Speaker 2: Well his argument is that you know, if you build these,

745
00:35:47,053 --> 00:35:52,493
Speaker 2: you know, potentially pharmaceutical companies, digital infrastructure, you know, specialized machinery,

746
00:35:52,533 --> 00:35:55,453
Speaker 2: you might actually develop new export yeah businesses, you know,

747
00:35:55,573 --> 00:35:58,293
Speaker 2: down down the track. But obviously it's something that people

748
00:35:58,453 --> 00:36:00,733
Speaker 2: see that we want to do. It hasn't been proven

749
00:36:00,773 --> 00:36:03,573
Speaker 2: to be very easy to do. While welcome to the show.

750
00:36:04,853 --> 00:36:08,013
Speaker 2: Hi guys, are very good, very good. Your thoughts on this,

751
00:36:08,413 --> 00:36:09,293
Speaker 2: Zealand manufacturer?

752
00:36:10,253 --> 00:36:13,293
Speaker 18: Well, look, this is my experience where we design and

753
00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:19,253
Speaker 18: build as part of our range and it's important part

754
00:36:20,573 --> 00:36:27,013
Speaker 18: of furniture and homewes and such. But what we find

755
00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:31,613
Speaker 18: is that we can make the same thing here, it's

756
00:36:31,653 --> 00:36:34,773
Speaker 18: going to cost four times as much as the landed

757
00:36:34,853 --> 00:36:39,973
Speaker 18: cost of building the same thing in Vietnam, China, Indonesia. Right,

758
00:36:40,293 --> 00:36:42,373
Speaker 18: So you would have heard over the last few days

759
00:36:42,613 --> 00:36:45,973
Speaker 18: right that there's there's you know, this this uproar about

760
00:36:46,013 --> 00:36:47,533
Speaker 18: how much an iPhone is going to cost which is

761
00:36:47,613 --> 00:36:49,253
Speaker 18: going to see you know, if it was manufacturing in

762
00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:51,333
Speaker 18: the US, it costs by five thousand bucks instead of

763
00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:54,893
Speaker 18: a thousand dollars. But that's that's that's the reality. So

764
00:36:56,573 --> 00:36:58,973
Speaker 18: your professor, who's who's saying, Okay, well we need to

765
00:36:58,973 --> 00:37:02,493
Speaker 18: build in resilience and and such. It's only going to

766
00:37:02,573 --> 00:37:04,733
Speaker 18: do so much. You're not going to be able to

767
00:37:05,813 --> 00:37:09,933
Speaker 18: take away that fourfold cost of French a right. You know,

768
00:37:10,093 --> 00:37:12,653
Speaker 18: you might be able to take you know, half of

769
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:16,093
Speaker 18: it away maybe maximum, but we just do not have

770
00:37:16,253 --> 00:37:21,133
Speaker 18: the market to be able to sustain at getting those

771
00:37:21,213 --> 00:37:22,172
Speaker 18: prices down that far.

772
00:37:22,773 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're never going to be able to

773
00:37:24,173 --> 00:37:27,493
Speaker 2: make TVs here and we're never gonna be able to

774
00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:31,213
Speaker 2: make iPhones here, and that that might just need to

775
00:37:31,253 --> 00:37:34,013
Speaker 2: be to be accepted. So does it have to be

776
00:37:34,893 --> 00:37:37,013
Speaker 2: high end manufacturing?

777
00:37:37,053 --> 00:37:41,813
Speaker 18: So you so you that is my point, right, is

778
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:47,453
Speaker 18: that the beauty of manufacturing in New Zealand is dexterity customization.

779
00:37:48,013 --> 00:37:51,653
Speaker 18: It's those things our our you know, the guys that

780
00:37:51,773 --> 00:37:56,573
Speaker 18: come to us for for pieces of furniture sofas, for example,

781
00:37:57,053 --> 00:37:59,533
Speaker 18: we are making those in exactly a fabric they want

782
00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:01,172
Speaker 18: exactly the configuration that they want.

783
00:38:01,573 --> 00:38:01,732
Speaker 4: Right.

784
00:38:03,013 --> 00:38:05,453
Speaker 18: Yes, it costs, it costs more than a than an

785
00:38:05,493 --> 00:38:07,733
Speaker 18: important model where you've only got a selective number of

786
00:38:08,013 --> 00:38:11,973
Speaker 18: of of colors and a selected number of configurations.

787
00:38:12,093 --> 00:38:12,253
Speaker 4: Right.

788
00:38:12,733 --> 00:38:15,493
Speaker 18: But but that that's where that's the beauty of New Zealand.

789
00:38:15,533 --> 00:38:17,893
Speaker 18: You can apply that to virtually anything, right, you know

790
00:38:17,933 --> 00:38:21,293
Speaker 18: you can. You can apply that to you know, have

791
00:38:21,413 --> 00:38:24,413
Speaker 18: a have a have an associate who's who owns a

792
00:38:24,613 --> 00:38:27,893
Speaker 18: sort of a food processing roboducts company right now, those

793
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:32,653
Speaker 18: tailor made pieces of machinery. Yeah, they export to the States,

794
00:38:32,813 --> 00:38:36,653
Speaker 18: right that that style of thing is what New Zealand

795
00:38:36,773 --> 00:38:40,773
Speaker 18: can be good at. But highly unifize things like ppe

796
00:38:40,893 --> 00:38:43,413
Speaker 18: for examples, pharmaceuticals things like that. I don't know that

797
00:38:43,493 --> 00:38:47,613
Speaker 18: we can make the differential and cost up to make

798
00:38:47,693 --> 00:38:48,333
Speaker 18: it sustainable.

799
00:38:48,653 --> 00:38:50,732
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. It's interesting because

800
00:38:50,813 --> 00:38:55,173
Speaker 2: you know Athletic Greens about that age one, so that

801
00:38:55,413 --> 00:38:58,453
Speaker 2: manufactured in New Zealand but but not sold in New Zealand.

802
00:38:59,093 --> 00:39:01,653
Speaker 3: It's weird, isn't it abode to the bottom.

803
00:39:01,933 --> 00:39:06,133
Speaker 2: Not structly pharmaceuticals. Yeah, it's you know a collection of

804
00:39:06,893 --> 00:39:13,493
Speaker 2: you know, vitamins and you know athletic greens. Yeah, but

805
00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:14,973
Speaker 2: so I mean there are things like that that we

806
00:39:15,293 --> 00:39:16,733
Speaker 2: managed to be able to do here in New Zealand.

807
00:39:16,733 --> 00:39:20,093
Speaker 2: But I mean that is primary produce being. You know,

808
00:39:20,813 --> 00:39:22,213
Speaker 2: it's basically food production, isn't it.

809
00:39:22,333 --> 00:39:24,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know there is government funding going into

810
00:39:24,693 --> 00:39:27,453
Speaker 3: the likes of Messi University that tries to undertake that

811
00:39:27,653 --> 00:39:30,693
Speaker 3: food research and then down at Lincoln University egg research

812
00:39:30,773 --> 00:39:33,253
Speaker 3: as well, and we just got to hope that we

813
00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:33,933
Speaker 3: get some of that.

814
00:39:34,373 --> 00:39:36,973
Speaker 2: We got it. We egg research is where we cac

815
00:39:37,093 --> 00:39:38,093
Speaker 2: bar exactly.

816
00:39:38,333 --> 00:39:40,172
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

817
00:39:40,213 --> 00:39:41,933
Speaker 3: of cour were don't carry this on for a little

818
00:39:41,973 --> 00:39:44,732
Speaker 3: bit after two o'clock because so many, so many people

819
00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:46,692
Speaker 3: want to have a chat about it. So we're keen

820
00:39:46,813 --> 00:39:49,653
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts about producing more things here in

821
00:39:49,733 --> 00:39:51,773
Speaker 3: New Zealand. Can we do it? If you're doing it,

822
00:39:51,933 --> 00:39:52,533
Speaker 3: love to hear from you.

823
00:39:54,053 --> 00:39:55,733
Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

824
00:39:56,093 --> 00:39:59,693
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

825
00:39:59,733 --> 00:39:59,973
Speaker 4: It'd be.

826
00:40:01,493 --> 00:40:03,773
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Now, just

827
00:40:04,133 --> 00:40:07,413
Speaker 3: before we get back into discussing should we be producing

828
00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:11,212
Speaker 3: building more things here in New Zealand, the Reserve Bank

829
00:40:11,293 --> 00:40:14,053
Speaker 3: has cut the official cash rate another twenty five basis

830
00:40:14,053 --> 00:40:16,213
Speaker 3: points is rarely mentioned in the news. It is now

831
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:18,893
Speaker 3: at three point five percent. It was in line with

832
00:40:19,013 --> 00:40:20,453
Speaker 3: what most economists were predicting.

833
00:40:20,773 --> 00:40:24,093
Speaker 2: Yep okay, And speaking of manufacturing, it looks like they've

834
00:40:24,093 --> 00:40:26,693
Speaker 2: manufactured a couple of die wolves. So is that the

835
00:40:26,773 --> 00:40:28,252
Speaker 2: kind of thing we need to manufacture in New Zealand

836
00:40:28,373 --> 00:40:29,253
Speaker 2: we bring back, the more.

837
00:40:29,453 --> 00:40:31,653
Speaker 3: They would sell like hotcakes, die wolves, we could we

838
00:40:31,733 --> 00:40:33,093
Speaker 3: could make some great die wolves.

839
00:40:32,893 --> 00:40:35,893
Speaker 2: Here more more could you know, that's a lot of

840
00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:38,493
Speaker 2: meat on a more. Yeah, if we bring them back,

841
00:40:38,773 --> 00:40:42,653
Speaker 2: then maybe maybe maybe we have a whole new export

842
00:40:43,093 --> 00:40:44,133
Speaker 2: meat that would.

843
00:40:43,973 --> 00:40:45,293
Speaker 3: Go well in European restaurants.

844
00:40:45,333 --> 00:40:49,333
Speaker 2: But a breast, but we know nothing about what more

845
00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:51,373
Speaker 2: tasted like. Yeah, would it just be like EMU?

846
00:40:52,613 --> 00:40:54,133
Speaker 3: I don't know, though they had a bit.

847
00:40:54,053 --> 00:40:56,013
Speaker 2: More Jesus would have been good when they were just

848
00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:58,333
Speaker 2: there because most of them, most of them were only

849
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:00,933
Speaker 2: sort of turkey sized. Yeah, you know, there's the really

850
00:41:00,933 --> 00:41:03,253
Speaker 2: big ones, but most of them are turkey sized. So

851
00:41:03,333 --> 00:41:04,813
Speaker 2: you know, you could have a whole new market there.

852
00:41:05,173 --> 00:41:07,373
Speaker 3: You see the giant one. I think they've got a

853
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:10,773
Speaker 3: skeleton and Auckland Museum that would feed a village for

854
00:41:10,853 --> 00:41:12,453
Speaker 3: a good couple of weeks. They were massive.

855
00:41:12,933 --> 00:41:16,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, although the way the head is always placed straight

856
00:41:17,013 --> 00:41:19,293
Speaker 2: up to make them as tall as possible, that their

857
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,733
Speaker 2: head would have actually bent right down like an emuse.

858
00:41:22,933 --> 00:41:25,733
Speaker 2: Not much meat in the neck, no, yeah, much on

859
00:41:25,813 --> 00:41:30,253
Speaker 2: that exactly my neck. Let's go right now back to

860
00:41:30,453 --> 00:41:33,053
Speaker 2: the topic. We've had so many people who want to

861
00:41:33,053 --> 00:41:34,732
Speaker 2: have a chat about this and have sent through text.

862
00:41:34,773 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 2: So one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

863
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:39,853
Speaker 2: If you can't get through, keep trying. But the question

864
00:41:39,933 --> 00:41:42,813
Speaker 2: we've raised is do we need to have a slight

865
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:47,133
Speaker 2: strategic change of direction and look at producing more things

866
00:41:47,173 --> 00:41:50,973
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand. We certainly used to in decades past.

867
00:41:51,093 --> 00:41:53,013
Speaker 2: But the argument has been made by a professor of

868
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:56,133
Speaker 2: business at Auckland University. His name is Rod mc norton.

869
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:59,573
Speaker 2: But he argues that this would build resilience into our

870
00:41:59,653 --> 00:42:03,773
Speaker 2: overall international trade strategy. This isn't about New Zealand putting

871
00:42:03,773 --> 00:42:07,053
Speaker 2: tariffs on stuff because that would be very difficult for

872
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:10,413
Speaker 2: us today. We have to be an open market because

873
00:42:10,493 --> 00:42:12,692
Speaker 2: we are very focused on exporting. We do very well

874
00:42:12,733 --> 00:42:17,253
Speaker 2: at our exporting, but we don't make some strategic things

875
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:21,493
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. We don't make pharmaceuticals. You know, he's saying, Look,

876
00:42:21,533 --> 00:42:23,292
Speaker 2: these are some of the this is what he says.

877
00:42:24,293 --> 00:42:27,653
Speaker 2: We are heavily dependent on imported goods and critical sectors

878
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:31,893
Speaker 2: like machinery, pharmaceuticals, digital infrastructure, fertilizer and food processing. I mean,

879
00:42:31,933 --> 00:42:33,373
Speaker 2: there are some things that we don't make in New

880
00:42:33,453 --> 00:42:36,733
Speaker 2: Zealand that we might strategically need to make in New Zealand.

881
00:42:37,373 --> 00:42:37,413
Speaker 7: And.

882
00:42:37,933 --> 00:42:41,093
Speaker 2: As I say, he's not talking about tariffs, but he's

883
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:45,413
Speaker 2: talking about ways that we could help entrepreneurs in New Zealand.

884
00:42:45,733 --> 00:42:48,773
Speaker 2: It would mean encouraging research institutes to develop subsidies for

885
00:42:48,933 --> 00:42:53,133
Speaker 2: materials we currently source offshore. Universities and other research organizations

886
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:56,973
Speaker 2: could play a vital row by collaborating with startups. Public

887
00:42:57,053 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 2: procurement could also be better leverage. Government contracts could reward

888
00:43:00,373 --> 00:43:05,773
Speaker 2: suppliers who help import dependency, reduce and import dependency, and

889
00:43:05,813 --> 00:43:09,212
Speaker 2: build options into the domestic supply chains. You could argue

890
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:12,213
Speaker 2: what's happened today that the government prioritizing the use of

891
00:43:12,253 --> 00:43:15,653
Speaker 2: New Zealand wool for insulation and carpets over synthetic materials

892
00:43:16,133 --> 00:43:18,893
Speaker 2: is a step in that direction in terms of helping

893
00:43:19,733 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 2: our farmers. From July you probably heard all government buildings

894
00:43:23,493 --> 00:43:26,333
Speaker 2: worth more than nine million dollars in refurbishments with a

895
00:43:26,413 --> 00:43:29,973
Speaker 2: price tag topping one hundred thousand dollars must use key.

896
00:43:30,053 --> 00:43:33,933
Speaker 2: We will where possible, because that is one thing. Is

897
00:43:33,973 --> 00:43:35,533
Speaker 2: one thing not being able to compete on the on

898
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,333
Speaker 2: the global markets. It's another thing when the government imports

899
00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:41,853
Speaker 2: stuff that we make here. Yeah, I think that really

900
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:44,213
Speaker 2: annoys us. You know one thing we love in New Zealand,

901
00:43:44,373 --> 00:43:46,693
Speaker 2: well we hate but we have a lot of road cones,

902
00:43:47,093 --> 00:43:49,292
Speaker 2: and we import a lot of our road cones.

903
00:43:49,333 --> 00:43:51,773
Speaker 3: We should be producing our own road codes. We love them,

904
00:43:51,853 --> 00:43:52,213
Speaker 3: hate them.

905
00:43:52,293 --> 00:43:55,172
Speaker 2: There is a company in Auckland that does produce road cones.

906
00:43:55,213 --> 00:43:56,693
Speaker 2: I went out and visited them and I wrote an

907
00:43:56,733 --> 00:43:58,173
Speaker 2: article on them, and they munch up a lot of

908
00:43:58,253 --> 00:44:01,652
Speaker 2: old road cones and fire them out as new road cones.

909
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:04,213
Speaker 2: I should check if they're still going okay. But I

910
00:44:04,453 --> 00:44:07,172
Speaker 2: was shocked discover that we have people that produce road

911
00:44:07,213 --> 00:44:10,933
Speaker 2: cones and we are still importing them, and you know,

912
00:44:10,973 --> 00:44:13,252
Speaker 2: government organizations are still importing them from over the seas.

913
00:44:13,293 --> 00:44:15,293
Speaker 2: That seems crazy. What we need to do is have

914
00:44:16,493 --> 00:44:18,573
Speaker 2: one one hundredth of the road cones that we use,

915
00:44:18,653 --> 00:44:21,733
Speaker 2: because we clearly use too many road cones and we

916
00:44:21,893 --> 00:44:23,493
Speaker 2: need to the government needs to buy the ones that

917
00:44:23,533 --> 00:44:24,252
Speaker 2: are made in New Zealand.

918
00:44:24,333 --> 00:44:26,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you're thinking, oh, e one hundred and eighty

919
00:44:26,773 --> 00:44:28,973
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call quick Tex guys.

920
00:44:29,053 --> 00:44:32,693
Speaker 3: The single most important thing is we need to manufacture

921
00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:36,253
Speaker 3: locally fuel we can and we should. A lack of

922
00:44:36,493 --> 00:44:39,173
Speaker 3: that will shut us down quicker than anything else from Greg.

923
00:44:39,373 --> 00:44:40,973
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people are texting through this.

924
00:44:41,653 --> 00:44:45,212
Speaker 2: You know, the ridiculous situation we have where we import coal,

925
00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:48,053
Speaker 2: so we shut down coal mines and then we import coal.

926
00:44:48,573 --> 00:44:51,293
Speaker 2: You may have the belief that we shouldn't be born

927
00:44:51,333 --> 00:44:54,053
Speaker 2: at burning fossil fuels and we shouldn't be burning coal,

928
00:44:54,453 --> 00:44:57,613
Speaker 2: but it's ridiculous if you continue to burn the coal

929
00:44:58,053 --> 00:45:00,613
Speaker 2: and a couple of years ago to record levels, yeah,

930
00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:05,573
Speaker 2: whilst importing it, which adds another layer of fossil fuels

931
00:45:06,093 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 2: by bringing it into the country. That seems like a

932
00:45:08,093 --> 00:45:08,453
Speaker 2: crazy the.

933
00:45:08,453 --> 00:45:12,133
Speaker 3: Situation that doesn't sanity Susan, How are you this afternoon?

934
00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:13,453
Speaker 19: Hello?

935
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:14,533
Speaker 20: By are you guys?

936
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:17,652
Speaker 3: You're good? And what's your thoughts about producing more products here.

937
00:45:18,573 --> 00:45:22,493
Speaker 20: Okay, I'm against producing more stuff in New Zealand. So

938
00:45:22,813 --> 00:45:25,652
Speaker 20: we are a small economy, which means we can never

939
00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:29,973
Speaker 20: have internal circulations with economy, unlike China, who can produce

940
00:45:30,293 --> 00:45:34,093
Speaker 20: consume all by ourself, so they can have a lot

941
00:45:34,293 --> 00:45:38,333
Speaker 20: less reliance on international trade. And we in the power

942
00:45:38,453 --> 00:45:42,333
Speaker 20: have benefitss enormously in the last three years from free trade.

943
00:45:42,773 --> 00:45:44,893
Speaker 20: We can produce lots of things you need to like

944
00:45:44,973 --> 00:45:47,493
Speaker 20: the four hundred and fifty dollars deckerts we just mentioned.

945
00:45:47,253 --> 00:45:53,533
Speaker 2: Before fifteen fourteen. Yep, that's right, okay, right, we.

946
00:45:53,693 --> 00:45:58,453
Speaker 20: Can't have everyone buying that because not everyone can afford us.

947
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:02,493
Speaker 20: We can't take away the options to buy a four

948
00:46:02,573 --> 00:46:06,573
Speaker 20: dollars like a four dollars decker, so we often we

949
00:46:06,853 --> 00:46:07,533
Speaker 20: can't a little bit.

950
00:46:07,613 --> 00:46:09,493
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think susan no one suggesting that

951
00:46:09,573 --> 00:46:12,893
Speaker 2: we take away that option were And this professor is

952
00:46:12,933 --> 00:46:15,973
Speaker 2: definitely wants to stay as an open economy. He clearly

953
00:46:16,013 --> 00:46:19,253
Speaker 2: says that at the start, but he's looking at areas

954
00:46:19,773 --> 00:46:23,533
Speaker 2: that we could manufacture in New Zealand. I mean, it's

955
00:46:23,693 --> 00:46:26,253
Speaker 2: gross how much stuff we import, how much absolute rubbish

956
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:29,453
Speaker 2: we we import, and ideally people would only buy quality products.

957
00:46:29,973 --> 00:46:32,573
Speaker 2: But there's no way that he's suggesting that we should

958
00:46:33,053 --> 00:46:34,853
Speaker 2: stop and import.

959
00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:38,573
Speaker 3: Because ideally, Susan, with those fourteen decats that yeah, that

960
00:46:38,733 --> 00:46:40,533
Speaker 3: other people around the world would buy them as well.

961
00:46:40,573 --> 00:46:43,133
Speaker 3: But the point of manufacturing them here and creating them

962
00:46:43,213 --> 00:46:46,213
Speaker 3: here is that you're using local labor. The money stays

963
00:46:46,253 --> 00:46:48,893
Speaker 3: within New Zealand, so it benefits us as an economy,

964
00:46:49,893 --> 00:46:50,773
Speaker 3: which we already do.

965
00:46:52,693 --> 00:46:57,333
Speaker 20: So I guess then, comeback is the word of subsidy.

966
00:46:58,053 --> 00:47:01,333
Speaker 20: Do we want to subsidize that? Thought us anger?

967
00:47:01,413 --> 00:47:03,133
Speaker 21: Try No, Okay, if.

968
00:47:03,053 --> 00:47:06,253
Speaker 20: We're not subsidizing, then there is no discussion because we

969
00:47:06,293 --> 00:47:09,773
Speaker 20: already don't it. Anyway, we produce for fourteen hundred dollars jackets,

970
00:47:09,813 --> 00:47:12,573
Speaker 20: people can buy them, and we import some of the

971
00:47:12,653 --> 00:47:13,413
Speaker 20: tricker options.

972
00:47:13,853 --> 00:47:17,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we but Susan, we have a trade deficit,

973
00:47:17,213 --> 00:47:19,933
Speaker 2: so we borrow money to keep living the lifestyle that

974
00:47:20,053 --> 00:47:22,933
Speaker 2: we do we live. And also the argument is some

975
00:47:23,053 --> 00:47:27,733
Speaker 2: of it is strategically important to us. Some farmam cynicles,

976
00:47:27,813 --> 00:47:32,613
Speaker 2: digital infrastructure, fertilizer and such are strategically and important to us.

977
00:47:32,813 --> 00:47:37,373
Speaker 2: And you know the world supply chain can be disrupted,

978
00:47:38,013 --> 00:47:40,813
Speaker 2: so even yeah, but some of the.

979
00:47:40,893 --> 00:47:44,333
Speaker 20: Resources we just don't have, for example, fertilizers, and we

980
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:48,373
Speaker 20: have to use lots of nitrogen all our DAIA products.

981
00:47:48,413 --> 00:47:51,453
Speaker 20: That is all important, and we are a factored by

982
00:47:51,533 --> 00:47:54,973
Speaker 20: the market price of international markets. But we don't have

983
00:47:55,093 --> 00:47:58,533
Speaker 20: a fertilizer mine here, so there are things that we

984
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:02,373
Speaker 20: have to import. Back to the point, I think our

985
00:48:02,453 --> 00:48:06,253
Speaker 20: discussion should be how to improve our productivity, how to

986
00:48:06,453 --> 00:48:08,893
Speaker 20: increase our competitive advantage?

987
00:48:08,933 --> 00:48:10,133
Speaker 2: Agreed? Agreed.

988
00:48:10,653 --> 00:48:13,213
Speaker 20: If we have dairy, we all know that our dia

989
00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:16,653
Speaker 20: put out is very competitive only international markers. We've produced

990
00:48:16,653 --> 00:48:19,093
Speaker 20: a lot of this and we can actually produce that

991
00:48:19,373 --> 00:48:23,333
Speaker 20: cheaper than Europe and the USA. So we should actually

992
00:48:23,413 --> 00:48:26,853
Speaker 20: invest more onto these sort of industries that give us

993
00:48:26,933 --> 00:48:31,453
Speaker 20: more and more competitive advantage that will lifts our productivity

994
00:48:31,933 --> 00:48:35,133
Speaker 20: rather than subsidized some of the industries. That's we're not

995
00:48:35,373 --> 00:48:40,093
Speaker 20: good at, Yeah, producing product that the market makes the

996
00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:40,692
Speaker 20: run us.

997
00:48:41,533 --> 00:48:45,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well absolutely, I mean, and that's really what this

998
00:48:45,293 --> 00:48:47,893
Speaker 2: guy is saying is that, look, we're not There's no

999
00:48:48,573 --> 00:48:51,813
Speaker 2: no push in this argument at all towards subsidies. And

1000
00:48:53,053 --> 00:48:56,533
Speaker 2: now the argument isn't against trade, it's New Zealand. New

1001
00:48:56,613 --> 00:49:00,253
Speaker 2: Zealand's economy depends on on trade. Absolutely but you know,

1002
00:49:00,533 --> 00:49:05,333
Speaker 2: COVID taught us some things that that the open openness

1003
00:49:05,573 --> 00:49:10,893
Speaker 2: isn't without potential liabilities in some areas. And also just

1004
00:49:10,973 --> 00:49:14,773
Speaker 2: because we can't compete in price with things. As a

1005
00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:18,853
Speaker 2: few people have have rung and said today, we can

1006
00:49:19,093 --> 00:49:24,333
Speaker 2: create extremely high end products and bestoke products that aren't

1007
00:49:25,093 --> 00:49:26,933
Speaker 2: you know, aren't the cheapest in the world, but are

1008
00:49:27,013 --> 00:49:29,893
Speaker 2: the best in the world in that category. And you

1009
00:49:29,933 --> 00:49:33,133
Speaker 2: should you surely support that O great.

1010
00:49:33,373 --> 00:49:37,253
Speaker 20: So for example, our dere in China actually is much

1011
00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:40,293
Speaker 20: higher price than their lawcal products or we can use,

1012
00:49:40,333 --> 00:49:41,732
Speaker 20: so there's no problem at all.

1013
00:49:42,613 --> 00:49:45,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you agree, Susan You just mentioned they're fertilizers

1014
00:49:45,413 --> 00:49:48,333
Speaker 3: any and the author makes this point in the article,

1015
00:49:48,773 --> 00:49:53,212
Speaker 3: But we do have a significant research and development there's

1016
00:49:53,253 --> 00:49:56,213
Speaker 3: a research and there's others Messy university. It's not a

1017
00:49:56,293 --> 00:49:59,693
Speaker 3: fair argument that there could be substitutes to fertilizer that

1018
00:49:59,773 --> 00:50:02,493
Speaker 3: could be developed here and that gives us an edge

1019
00:50:02,573 --> 00:50:04,253
Speaker 3: an advantage in the international market.

1020
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:08,533
Speaker 20: I would agree on that definitely, as long as as

1021
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:12,533
Speaker 20: imploring things that much to make us steel fatter than

1022
00:50:12,653 --> 00:50:14,252
Speaker 20: other people, they've all got.

1023
00:50:14,173 --> 00:50:16,253
Speaker 2: To Yeah, thanks you so much, Thank you so much

1024
00:50:16,253 --> 00:50:20,213
Speaker 2: for your call. Susan really appreciate it. Interestingly, when we

1025
00:50:20,293 --> 00:50:23,053
Speaker 2: talk about AGG research and we talk about us being

1026
00:50:23,173 --> 00:50:26,253
Speaker 2: leaders in that we have shut it down completely for

1027
00:50:26,293 --> 00:50:29,813
Speaker 2: the last thirty years investigations into GE, haven't we we have,

1028
00:50:30,533 --> 00:50:34,693
Speaker 2: so we have slipped behind that. Oddly for a country

1029
00:50:34,733 --> 00:50:37,253
Speaker 2: that's so far ahead in a lot of areas of

1030
00:50:37,573 --> 00:50:40,772
Speaker 2: AGG research, we've really slipped behind in GE. We're thirty

1031
00:50:40,853 --> 00:50:42,933
Speaker 2: years behind Australia in that one yeap, which is a

1032
00:50:43,013 --> 00:50:44,853
Speaker 2: concern which has been looked at at the moment.

1033
00:50:44,973 --> 00:50:47,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, mister trick on that one absolutely. Oh eight

1034
00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:49,453
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1035
00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:52,013
Speaker 3: is seventeen past two back with more of your call.

1036
00:50:52,053 --> 00:50:57,333
Speaker 1: Surely your home of afternoon talk mad he than Tyler

1037
00:50:57,373 --> 00:51:01,573
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

1038
00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:07,013
Speaker 3: ZEDB, News TALKSB. It is twenty past two. Eight hundred

1039
00:51:07,013 --> 00:51:08,973
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is seen number to call.

1040
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:12,212
Speaker 2: Proline Plastics Limited was the company I was talking about

1041
00:51:12,253 --> 00:51:17,013
Speaker 2: that manufactured road cones. Recycling cone recycling. Proline practice will

1042
00:51:17,093 --> 00:51:20,413
Speaker 2: accept back used in old road cones for reprocessing into

1043
00:51:20,613 --> 00:51:23,613
Speaker 2: new recycled road cones. The scheme is simply with a

1044
00:51:23,693 --> 00:51:26,333
Speaker 2: one for one swap process. So we should we should

1045
00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:26,973
Speaker 2: be using these guys.

1046
00:51:27,013 --> 00:51:28,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great New Zealand.

1047
00:51:28,053 --> 00:51:30,093
Speaker 2: And someone saying here, look, we can't afford to do

1048
00:51:30,133 --> 00:51:33,293
Speaker 2: the road cones here. We have to go for the

1049
00:51:33,733 --> 00:51:36,413
Speaker 2: best price possible. Lotle's road cone we've made here from

1050
00:51:36,413 --> 00:51:39,293
Speaker 2: this New Zealand Prolin dog Code and Z got thirty

1051
00:51:39,293 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 2: two dollars twenty.

1052
00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:43,013
Speaker 3: Thirty two bucks. And I'm pretty sure I'm right here.

1053
00:51:43,173 --> 00:51:45,213
Speaker 3: The average cost of a road cone that we import

1054
00:51:45,293 --> 00:51:48,493
Speaker 3: here from those other companies are two hundred bucks per cone.

1055
00:51:48,573 --> 00:51:49,692
Speaker 3: I've seen that figure before.

1056
00:51:49,813 --> 00:51:53,053
Speaker 2: This is a four point five kg road cone. I

1057
00:51:53,093 --> 00:51:55,213
Speaker 2: don't know's that to say. I don't know how much

1058
00:51:55,253 --> 00:51:58,333
Speaker 2: a road cone should should weigh. I threw one at

1059
00:51:58,373 --> 00:51:58,933
Speaker 2: someone once.

1060
00:51:58,813 --> 00:52:00,613
Speaker 3: And it seems about right, four point five kilo.

1061
00:52:02,093 --> 00:52:04,013
Speaker 2: But you know, this is what we should do. We

1062
00:52:04,053 --> 00:52:06,253
Speaker 2: should get all the road cones now. No more road

1063
00:52:06,293 --> 00:52:08,613
Speaker 2: cones can enter the New Zealand because we've all we

1064
00:52:08,733 --> 00:52:10,933
Speaker 2: know we've got too many. We've already got enough road

1065
00:52:10,973 --> 00:52:13,053
Speaker 2: cones in New Zealand. We don't need any more. If

1066
00:52:13,133 --> 00:52:15,533
Speaker 2: you want another road cone, you have to recycle a

1067
00:52:15,613 --> 00:52:18,253
Speaker 2: previous road cone and eventually, over time we'll get down

1068
00:52:18,293 --> 00:52:22,773
Speaker 2: to what we've started doing is doubling road cones and

1069
00:52:22,813 --> 00:52:24,813
Speaker 2: putting them right beside each other. So now there's no

1070
00:52:24,893 --> 00:52:27,253
Speaker 2: gap between road cones. Now I only need a road

1071
00:52:27,293 --> 00:52:31,053
Speaker 2: cone every ten meters, yeah, five meters. We've gone crazy

1072
00:52:31,093 --> 00:52:34,613
Speaker 2: on roadcudes. Yeah, So send them out to proline plastics women.

1073
00:52:34,453 --> 00:52:35,853
Speaker 3: And shut the borders to road cones.

1074
00:52:35,973 --> 00:52:36,853
Speaker 2: Let's recycle them.

1075
00:52:37,173 --> 00:52:42,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bruce, you've been lobbying ministers over procurement policies.

1076
00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:47,853
Speaker 22: Yeah, and the new Zealand Procurement Charter that they have.

1077
00:52:49,173 --> 00:52:55,213
Speaker 22: And I just had Tanovich Ankovich here on Monday, and

1078
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:58,693
Speaker 22: Greg Flemming a couple of weeks ago, right the National Party.

1079
00:52:58,933 --> 00:53:05,453
Speaker 22: And because basically all our clothing manufacturers are closing. You know,

1080
00:53:05,733 --> 00:53:10,013
Speaker 22: we've just lost so many customers, business to business customers

1081
00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:14,453
Speaker 22: over the last eighteen months. It's horrendous. And it really

1082
00:53:14,573 --> 00:53:18,413
Speaker 22: all comes back to government procurement. A lot of the

1083
00:53:18,813 --> 00:53:24,773
Speaker 22: manufacturers would have government contracts and then they could actually

1084
00:53:24,933 --> 00:53:30,292
Speaker 22: do other things as well. But the last regime gave

1085
00:53:31,013 --> 00:53:36,613
Speaker 22: most of our government procurement to oversea supplies, so all

1086
00:53:36,653 --> 00:53:40,253
Speaker 22: our tax dollars again directly overseas we're not producing tax

1087
00:53:40,933 --> 00:53:45,813
Speaker 22: from New Zealand manufacturers. You know, I can give you

1088
00:53:45,893 --> 00:53:50,213
Speaker 22: a prime example. Hill's Hats down on Willington used to

1089
00:53:50,253 --> 00:53:53,652
Speaker 22: make all the hats for the defense force. Now they're

1090
00:53:53,653 --> 00:53:57,533
Speaker 22: brought in from Vietnam, viral Australia.

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Speaker 2: See that seems very very wrong to me. Is there

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Speaker 2: an equation that has been done? So if in terms

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Speaker 2: of say you say you're getting the hats cheaper, but

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Speaker 2: as far as the government spending the money in New

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00:54:10,373 --> 00:54:13,813
Speaker 2: Zealand and everything staying within the ecosystem of our economy,

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00:54:14,893 --> 00:54:17,453
Speaker 2: has their equation been done? How much is actually lost

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Speaker 2: buying the cheaper prict to it to our economy?

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Speaker 22: I mean, well, the equations very simple, because anything manufactured

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00:54:25,933 --> 00:54:33,093
Speaker 22: here in New Zealand is causing about fifty percent tax anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: because you're paying EMP tax paying business profit tax paying GST.

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Speaker 22: But when you use an overseas procurement supplier, it's one

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Speaker 22: hundred percent going directly overseas. Okay, they might get fifteen

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Speaker 22: percent GST.

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Speaker 2: On it, but you would support I mean the counter

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00:54:55,733 --> 00:55:01,413
Speaker 2: to this is that New Zealand companies start inefficiencies come

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00:55:01,493 --> 00:55:05,053
Speaker 2: in with the lack of competition and the prices of

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00:55:05,133 --> 00:55:08,652
Speaker 2: things go up, up and up. So for that really work,

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00:55:08,733 --> 00:55:11,573
Speaker 2: you have to have a number of New Zealand manufacturers

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00:55:11,653 --> 00:55:14,613
Speaker 2: competing with each other for the for the government contracts.

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Speaker 22: Well, we used to, but the last regime set up

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00:55:21,293 --> 00:55:30,413
Speaker 22: systems and overseas procurement suppliers usual systems to get rubber

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Speaker 22: stamp now and I can give you in a prime example,

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Speaker 22: our uniforms, New Zealand owned uniform supplier just lost the

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Speaker 22: police contract to an Australian supplier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sucks.

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00:55:46,493 --> 00:55:47,812
Speaker 3: And it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: That should only be done, Bruce, in the most extreme

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00:55:52,573 --> 00:55:55,853
Speaker 2: of circumstances that and there must be and this is

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Speaker 2: what they're sort of saying with wall in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: now and Winston Peters was saying that it should be

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00:56:01,373 --> 00:56:04,293
Speaker 2: in this there's there. You know, you have to put

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00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:08,773
Speaker 2: in a really really strong case for choosing to go. Well,

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Speaker 2: is the.

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Speaker 22: NFL E NFL goods were twice the price the government

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Speaker 22: gets fifty percent back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you think la ofication.

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00:56:23,013 --> 00:56:25,973
Speaker 22: The working on price, not on cost and yeah, the

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Speaker 22: massive difference between the two.

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Speaker 2: So do you think that is because there's not a

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Speaker 2: sort of a holistic look at the situation. You've got

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00:56:32,853 --> 00:56:34,933
Speaker 2: a department that needs to buy something and they get

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00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:39,853
Speaker 2: the cheapest price because that keeps within their budget as

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00:56:39,893 --> 00:56:43,693
Speaker 2: opposed to a look it across the entire economy and

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Speaker 2: how it affects things outside of just their area of interest.

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Speaker 22: No, it's the way the charter is written, the Government

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00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:57,933
Speaker 22: procurement Charter. They don't give bias to New Zealand companies.

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Speaker 22: They have to treat international and New Zealand procurement suppliers

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Speaker 22: exactly the same.

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Speaker 6: Have they have?

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Speaker 3: They not changed that though recently that Bruce made song.

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Speaker 22: Actually, you know, Nickolawith Willis had a.

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00:57:13,173 --> 00:57:15,373
Speaker 3: She had to stand up about it and media release.

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00:57:16,213 --> 00:57:18,853
Speaker 22: It was closed off last night at five pm, right,

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00:57:19,213 --> 00:57:21,933
Speaker 22: you know, you could put a submission in about changing

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00:57:21,973 --> 00:57:26,573
Speaker 22: the charter and that was only that was closed yesterday.

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00:57:26,453 --> 00:57:28,413
Speaker 3: Right, gotcha? Okay, so they're still working through that.

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00:57:29,333 --> 00:57:32,813
Speaker 22: So they're working through it. But it's that's why I'm

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00:57:32,893 --> 00:57:38,133
Speaker 22: loving MPs. You know, we have to get government spending.

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00:57:39,973 --> 00:57:40,133
Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 22: If people talk about this global economy, I hate free trade, yes, trade,

1151
00:57:44,813 --> 00:57:49,893
Speaker 22: definitely trade, but all we've done is made ourselves deeper

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00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:51,733
Speaker 22: in debt than we ever have been.

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00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:54,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you so much for your call, Bruce.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: We'll just take a break and we come back. I'll

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00:57:56,813 --> 00:57:59,973
Speaker 2: apologize for mispronouncing the name of the road come company

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00:58:00,013 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 2: I was talking about.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's twenty seven paths too, Matt Heathen Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty nine past two. Couple of texts before

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00:58:15,933 --> 00:58:19,533
Speaker 3: we get to the headlines, guys. I create a product

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00:58:19,653 --> 00:58:23,733
Speaker 3: called quad Sense by by Vonk dot Com. It is

1164
00:58:23,773 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 3: in New Zealand developed milking cup censor that can detect infections.

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00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:31,853
Speaker 3: It is leaning and that is the sort of thing

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Speaker 3: we need to do in this country.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. Good on you the Trekker. Aside, we did make

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00:58:35,093 --> 00:58:36,973
Speaker 2: some quality items in New Zealand the past. I still

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00:58:36,973 --> 00:58:40,693
Speaker 2: have a toasty pie machine made by Dido Engineering the seventies,

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00:58:40,733 --> 00:58:42,693
Speaker 2: and I still drive a land Rover made and Nelson

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00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:45,413
Speaker 2: over forty years ago and still going strong and confident

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Speaker 2: they will still be functioning long after I'm gone. That's

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00:58:47,933 --> 00:58:52,813
Speaker 2: from Henry. The last time, the last assembly plants in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, I think the last one was the Mitsubishi

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00:58:54,933 --> 00:58:57,493
Speaker 2: one that closed in nineteen ninety eight, But we did

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00:58:57,613 --> 00:59:00,013
Speaker 2: used to assemble vehicles here in New Zealand, so I forget.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the Trekker has often used an example of

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00:59:02,733 --> 00:59:06,693
Speaker 2: us not necessarily doing the best manufacturing. That was sort

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00:59:06,693 --> 00:59:09,053
Speaker 2: of a weird looking vehicle, looked a bit like a

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00:59:09,173 --> 00:59:12,053
Speaker 2: milk float sitting on the on a Skoda Octovia.

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Speaker 3: And you found all the pieces to a trek are

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00:59:15,013 --> 00:59:16,453
Speaker 3: under a house somewhere, was that right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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00:59:16,933 --> 00:59:20,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, did I apologize about a second? I did apologize

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00:59:20,253 --> 00:59:23,253
Speaker 2: about saying pro Linden instead proline. Well you have now,

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00:59:23,373 --> 00:59:25,373
Speaker 2: but yeah, so those are the great New Zealanders that

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00:59:25,453 --> 00:59:27,693
Speaker 2: manufacture road cones and recycle road clanes.

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Speaker 3: It's pro Line, not Prolin. Okay, all right, great discussion.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for everyone who gave us a buzz.

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Speaker 3: But that is where we'll leave it because after the headlines,

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00:59:36,613 --> 00:59:40,013
Speaker 3: we do want to have a chat about fraudsters within

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Speaker 3: your business on the back of and it happens clearly

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00:59:43,093 --> 00:59:44,493
Speaker 3: to a lot of people, but on the back of

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00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:46,973
Speaker 3: a story about a woman who stole more than five

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars from an Auckland home building company, but

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00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:52,453
Speaker 3: we want to ask the question when has a trusted

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00:59:52,493 --> 00:59:55,813
Speaker 3: employee ripped you off? And what you need to look

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00:59:55,853 --> 00:59:58,973
Speaker 3: out for if you've gone through that, what is there

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Speaker 3: anything you can look out for if they are looking

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01:00:00,693 --> 01:00:03,733
Speaker 3: after the accounts it can be hard. But also if

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Speaker 3: you have been convicted of doing this or you have

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Speaker 3: been someone who has been a fraud frausty yourself, we'd

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you. Oh, one hundred and eighty

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01:00:11,933 --> 01:00:12,893
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine to three and my last thing on the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand mate, A lot of techs are coming through

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01:00:18,213 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 2: on the subject. People that eat imported bacon yep are

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01:00:22,493 --> 01:00:24,133
Speaker 2: perverts and they deserve to be tasted.

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Speaker 14: Uce talk zby headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

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01:00:31,053 --> 01:00:34,213
Speaker 14: trouble with a blue bubble. The Reserve Bank has cut

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01:00:34,333 --> 01:00:37,933
Speaker 14: the official cash rate another twenty five basis points to

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01:00:38,093 --> 01:00:42,253
Speaker 14: three point five percent, as widely expected. Most banks are

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01:00:42,293 --> 01:00:46,773
Speaker 14: already lowering their advertised rates. The Finance Minister is praising

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01:00:46,813 --> 01:00:50,293
Speaker 14: a commitment to use Kiwi wool products in government new

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01:00:50,373 --> 01:00:55,213
Speaker 14: bills and top end refurbishments. From July, Kaying Order reversed

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Speaker 14: its cost saving decision to not use more expensive wool products.

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Speaker 14: In January, Graymouth residents are being urged to boil water

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01:01:03,653 --> 01:01:07,253
Speaker 14: due to a possible contamination in the local supply. Gray

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Speaker 14: District councils as Shaw the notice for all consumers connected

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Speaker 14: to the Greater Graymouth water supply following routine water sampling.

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Speaker 14: The Prime Minister says New Zealand will continue to ask

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01:01:18,333 --> 01:01:23,053
Speaker 14: the US whether imposing ten percent tariffs is fair. A

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Speaker 14: teacher is on paid leave from Auckland's Kingsway Christian School

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01:01:27,213 --> 01:01:31,853
Speaker 14: near Silverdale as police investigate allegations of assault relating to

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01:01:32,013 --> 01:01:38,653
Speaker 14: disciplinary practices, pink pineapples, cancer and farming. Liberal new genetic

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01:01:38,773 --> 01:01:41,293
Speaker 14: laws on the way for New Zealand. You can find

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Speaker 14: out more at ends a Herald premium back now to

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Speaker 14: matt Ethan Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we want to talk

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01:01:47,853 --> 01:01:50,173
Speaker 3: about fraud within a business. This is on the bank

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01:01:50,213 --> 01:01:54,173
Speaker 3: of a story in the Herald today. In just fourteen months,

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Speaker 3: Liz Donahue stole more than five hundred thousand dollars from

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01:01:56,733 --> 01:01:59,013
Speaker 3: an Auckland home building company. The owner is still finding

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01:01:59,093 --> 01:02:02,013
Speaker 3: evidence of suspected fraud, such as a cruise he believes

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Speaker 3: she booked at his expense.

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Speaker 2: Wow, there's one thing to steal from a company. It's

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01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:12,293
Speaker 2: another thing to steal from a company for a cruise ship,

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01:02:12,373 --> 01:02:15,893
Speaker 2: for a luxury cruise. What position in the company was she? Tyler?

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01:02:16,453 --> 01:02:19,813
Speaker 3: So she was obviously a key member of this Auckland

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01:02:19,853 --> 01:02:22,933
Speaker 3: home building company and she was clearly looking after the

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01:02:23,133 --> 01:02:27,893
Speaker 3: books in this particular organization and five hundred thousand dollars

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01:02:27,933 --> 01:02:30,213
Speaker 3: over fourteen months, because that was initially the question that

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01:02:30,373 --> 01:02:33,013
Speaker 3: we had as well, I had is how does that not?

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01:02:33,293 --> 01:02:35,493
Speaker 3: How does that go unnoticed? Five hundred thousand dollars over

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01:02:35,573 --> 01:02:38,333
Speaker 3: fourteen months? But I suppose if you're looking after the box.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the thing. It's often the people looking

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01:02:41,213 --> 01:02:42,813
Speaker 2: after the box. I'm not sure one hundred scent sure

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01:02:42,813 --> 01:02:44,453
Speaker 2: you said, didn't seem a hundred scent sure what she

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Speaker 2: did there?

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Speaker 3: But this, well, she was an office administrator, so that

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Speaker 3: seems to me that she was involved in some sort

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Speaker 3: of accounting.

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Speaker 2: Ah right, yeah, officer ed office administrators and generally the

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01:02:54,653 --> 01:02:57,893
Speaker 2: greatest New Zealanders of all. But anyway, by the bye,

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01:02:59,013 --> 01:03:01,453
Speaker 2: this seems to happen every week. Every week you hear

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Speaker 2: a story of someone working in a company pulfering money

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01:03:05,693 --> 01:03:07,653
Speaker 2: from the company with their hand in the tilted to

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01:03:07,893 --> 01:03:10,893
Speaker 2: hugh amounts of money, shocking amounts of money. It's happened

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Speaker 2: so many times. I just I just can't quite get

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Speaker 2: my head around how it happens. And I think if

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Speaker 2: someone's in charge of accounts, you just put them in

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01:03:22,293 --> 01:03:24,893
Speaker 2: charge of accounts and you're like, Okay, the accounts are sorted,

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Speaker 2: and so you never look at it again. You go

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01:03:27,973 --> 01:03:31,173
Speaker 2: on about your work. You're working hard, you're doing whatever

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01:03:31,213 --> 01:03:33,733
Speaker 2: your company does. It doesn't seem to be going as

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01:03:33,773 --> 01:03:37,653
Speaker 2: well as you would like, but the accounts are being done,

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01:03:37,853 --> 01:03:40,733
Speaker 2: so everything's above board, the tax is being paid, and

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Speaker 2: then you find out that that person is stealing your money.

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Speaker 2: So how do you you know it has this happened

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Speaker 2: to you? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty And what

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Speaker 2: are the signs that you missed when it was happening

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01:03:50,973 --> 01:03:53,173
Speaker 2: to happening to you? And what are the signs you

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01:03:53,213 --> 01:03:56,333
Speaker 2: should look up out for in a company that maybe

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01:03:56,373 --> 01:03:58,053
Speaker 2: a bunch of money is going missing, Because this doesn't

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01:03:58,053 --> 01:04:00,013
Speaker 2: sound like the biggest company in the world, but five

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01:04:00,133 --> 01:04:03,573
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars has gone in fourteen months, and you know,

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01:04:04,773 --> 01:04:07,013
Speaker 2: so it has this happened to you, but also have

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Speaker 2: you done it. I would love to hear from someone

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01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:12,413
Speaker 2: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or the text

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Speaker 2: machine ninety two nine two who has ripped off their

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01:04:16,333 --> 01:04:19,773
Speaker 2: company and maybe feels guilty about it and wants to

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01:04:19,813 --> 01:04:22,653
Speaker 2: talk about it. You can do it anonymously. I mean,

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01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:25,053
Speaker 2: if this is in the past, how it happened, how

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01:04:25,093 --> 01:04:27,693
Speaker 2: it spiraled out of control to five hundred thousand dollars.

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01:04:27,693 --> 01:04:29,893
Speaker 2: And I know gambling is often involved in the situation,

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01:04:30,013 --> 01:04:31,773
Speaker 2: and people think that if I just keep stealing a

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01:04:31,813 --> 01:04:34,373
Speaker 2: little bit more money, I'll win it back. Eventually I

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01:04:34,413 --> 01:04:36,813
Speaker 2: win it back. Eventually it goes more and more of

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01:04:36,893 --> 01:04:40,253
Speaker 2: the people with meth addictions that that maybe the work

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01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:44,613
Speaker 2: doesn't know about or drug addictions, but it just keeps

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01:04:44,693 --> 01:04:47,053
Speaker 2: happening and happening. So yeah, what are the signs?

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Speaker 3: Yep, Love to hear from you. Eight hundred eighty ten

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01:04:49,613 --> 01:04:52,533
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call Love to hear your stories.

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01:04:52,573 --> 01:04:54,173
Speaker 3: It is twenty two to three.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons

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Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon. It is nineteen to three, and

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01:05:06,133 --> 01:05:08,653
Speaker 3: we're talking about fraud within New Zealand. Business is on

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01:05:08,693 --> 01:05:10,293
Speaker 3: the bank of a story about a woman who ripped

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Speaker 3: off five hundred thousand dollars from an Auckland home building company.

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01:05:13,453 --> 01:05:16,453
Speaker 3: The company went under after that particular fraud. It was

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Speaker 3: done over fourteen months. But we're keen to hear your

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01:05:19,333 --> 01:05:22,533
Speaker 3: stories about trusting the wrong person in your organization.

1304
01:05:22,733 --> 01:05:24,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how do you deal with this in a company?

1305
01:05:24,813 --> 01:05:28,173
Speaker 2: This text here says check it's simple who checks the checkers?

1306
01:05:28,813 --> 01:05:31,973
Speaker 2: But I guess when you hire and you know people

1307
01:05:32,053 --> 01:05:35,013
Speaker 2: to run your accounts, you think that you've ticked that box.

1308
01:05:35,413 --> 01:05:37,373
Speaker 2: They are the people that are checking on your accounts.

1309
01:05:37,493 --> 01:05:39,093
Speaker 2: And then if you're spending all day checking on them,

1310
01:05:40,133 --> 01:05:41,613
Speaker 2: then you're not going to get your stuff done. And

1311
01:05:41,653 --> 01:05:46,573
Speaker 2: you can imagine people just working so hard in the

1312
01:05:46,693 --> 01:05:49,973
Speaker 2: area they work in selling whatever they're doing, Yeah, they

1313
01:05:50,053 --> 01:05:52,173
Speaker 2: don't have necessarily the time or the know how to

1314
01:05:52,693 --> 01:05:53,573
Speaker 2: check what's going on.

1315
01:05:53,733 --> 01:05:56,373
Speaker 3: So it's effectively needing an accountant for your accountant. But

1316
01:05:56,453 --> 01:05:59,013
Speaker 3: then how do you trust that senior accountant who's overseeing

1317
01:05:59,013 --> 01:05:59,613
Speaker 3: your accountant.

1318
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,013
Speaker 2: Well, the study was a little bit old from twenty

1319
01:06:02,173 --> 01:06:08,973
Speaker 2: fifteen found that seventy five percent of three quarters, just

1320
01:06:09,053 --> 01:06:12,013
Speaker 2: under seventy five percent of those that committed embezzlement and

1321
01:06:12,373 --> 01:06:14,933
Speaker 2: when companies were people that held finance and accounting positions,

1322
01:06:15,133 --> 01:06:17,013
Speaker 2: and the average age was forty seven point nine.

1323
01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:17,373
Speaker 3: Wow.

1324
01:06:17,733 --> 01:06:20,133
Speaker 2: So if you've got someone in their mid forties, just

1325
01:06:20,373 --> 01:06:24,973
Speaker 2: constantly look over their shoulder. Ellen, you've got some key

1326
01:06:25,053 --> 01:06:26,093
Speaker 2: markers for fraudsters.

1327
01:06:27,093 --> 01:06:31,693
Speaker 23: Well yeah, yeah, one of them. One of the key

1328
01:06:31,813 --> 01:06:36,653
Speaker 23: markers or anybody any organization is the holiday And it's

1329
01:06:36,733 --> 01:06:37,653
Speaker 23: not just to take.

1330
01:06:39,413 --> 01:06:42,173
Speaker 3: Ellen, Ellen, Sorry, just told there. We really we're keen

1331
01:06:42,213 --> 01:06:43,813
Speaker 3: to have a chat with you, but we're just struggling

1332
01:06:43,853 --> 01:06:46,053
Speaker 3: to hear a little bit, so it sounds like you're

1333
01:06:46,093 --> 01:06:47,773
Speaker 3: on a speakerphone. We might just put you back to

1334
01:06:47,853 --> 01:06:50,653
Speaker 3: Andrew and see if we can get your off just

1335
01:06:50,693 --> 01:06:53,053
Speaker 3: because we're struggling to hear a bit. We'll come back.

1336
01:06:54,493 --> 01:06:55,973
Speaker 2: I think I heard what he said there. We'll get

1337
01:06:55,973 --> 01:06:57,293
Speaker 2: back to when he said one of the key markers

1338
01:06:57,373 --> 01:07:01,093
Speaker 2: is holidaying. Did you say did you say, Allen? Sorry,

1339
01:07:01,093 --> 01:07:03,253
Speaker 2: I think I think you're back. Now you think you've

1340
01:07:03,253 --> 01:07:03,773
Speaker 2: got a good line?

1341
01:07:03,813 --> 01:07:03,933
Speaker 24: Now?

1342
01:07:04,173 --> 01:07:06,733
Speaker 2: Oh, there we go better. Oh that's beautiful.

1343
01:07:07,733 --> 01:07:11,173
Speaker 21: One of the keys for any organization is when they

1344
01:07:11,253 --> 01:07:14,093
Speaker 21: take holidays, and it's not just that's not taking one

1345
01:07:14,213 --> 01:07:17,613
Speaker 21: or two days. They should ensure that everybody in those

1346
01:07:17,653 --> 01:07:22,013
Speaker 21: sorts of positions actually takes whole weeks, a week to

1347
01:07:22,053 --> 01:07:25,933
Speaker 21: a fortnite. Usually a fortnite is the best time. And

1348
01:07:26,053 --> 01:07:29,013
Speaker 21: that's when things start showing up that things aren't right

1349
01:07:29,093 --> 01:07:32,573
Speaker 21: because somebody else has taken over the position mile their

1350
01:07:32,653 --> 01:07:36,333
Speaker 21: way and they can pick up that things are not right.

1351
01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:39,493
Speaker 2: So you're saying that, Ellen, that people that are committing

1352
01:07:39,613 --> 01:07:43,253
Speaker 2: fraud are reluctant to take holidays because someone else says to.

1353
01:07:43,573 --> 01:07:47,253
Speaker 21: Their job exactly. And possibly in the case of that

1354
01:07:47,573 --> 01:07:49,573
Speaker 21: that woman, I don't know. I don't know the situation

1355
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:53,933
Speaker 21: or or the surrounding circumstances, but I would suspect that

1356
01:07:54,453 --> 01:07:57,573
Speaker 21: she's accumulated holiday leave to over a long period of

1357
01:07:57,653 --> 01:08:00,853
Speaker 21: time and possibly over a year or more, that she

1358
01:08:00,933 --> 01:08:03,533
Speaker 21: hasn't taken any holidays at all, or on the pretense

1359
01:08:03,613 --> 01:08:08,093
Speaker 21: of trying to cover the tracks and pay for a

1360
01:08:08,133 --> 01:08:08,693
Speaker 21: track as well.

1361
01:08:10,373 --> 01:08:13,493
Speaker 2: How do you you know? So in a smaller company

1362
01:08:13,613 --> 01:08:15,293
Speaker 2: like that, you might have the person that does the

1363
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:18,053
Speaker 2: accounts and they just do the accounts and when they're

1364
01:08:18,093 --> 01:08:21,853
Speaker 2: on holiday, the accounts don't necessarily get done. They set

1365
01:08:21,933 --> 01:08:24,173
Speaker 2: up a bunch of direct credits. Well they're away, Is

1366
01:08:24,213 --> 01:08:26,692
Speaker 2: there any other any other ways? Because a lot of

1367
01:08:26,732 --> 01:08:28,612
Speaker 2: people don't have the time to be constantly going through

1368
01:08:28,652 --> 01:08:30,213
Speaker 2: the books as well. That's why they've hired someone.

1369
01:08:31,492 --> 01:08:35,452
Speaker 21: And that's and usually if they've taken if they if

1370
01:08:35,492 --> 01:08:39,012
Speaker 21: they haven't taken there a lot of holiday lead over

1371
01:08:39,093 --> 01:08:43,612
Speaker 21: the course of the year or more, then that sort

1372
01:08:43,652 --> 01:08:45,293
Speaker 21: of starts ringing alarm bells. That's why a lot of

1373
01:08:45,333 --> 01:08:48,812
Speaker 21: companies don't like people. One one reason why they don't

1374
01:08:48,893 --> 01:08:52,652
Speaker 21: like people accumulating holiday lead is that it's a key

1375
01:08:52,772 --> 01:08:56,612
Speaker 21: marker that that you know, they should be taking one,

1376
01:08:56,652 --> 01:08:59,412
Speaker 21: they should be taking holiday leave. But and of course

1377
01:08:59,452 --> 01:09:01,972
Speaker 21: the text implications as well around the holiday lead itself.

1378
01:09:02,732 --> 01:09:06,053
Speaker 21: But then it's got to start looking at what the

1379
01:09:06,213 --> 01:09:07,532
Speaker 21: job function is and things like that.

1380
01:09:08,372 --> 01:09:10,692
Speaker 2: When you you know, when you were working in this

1381
01:09:11,253 --> 01:09:12,732
Speaker 2: in the banking sector and you saw a bit of

1382
01:09:12,812 --> 01:09:15,253
Speaker 2: this fraud. You know, the study I'm just looking at

1383
01:09:15,293 --> 01:09:19,372
Speaker 2: from twenty fifteen discovered that the average age was forty

1384
01:09:19,412 --> 01:09:23,652
Speaker 2: seven point nine. Is it older employees that tend to

1385
01:09:24,053 --> 01:09:25,412
Speaker 2: in your experience, tend to.

1386
01:09:25,492 --> 01:09:25,972
Speaker 19: Have them.

1387
01:09:27,732 --> 01:09:29,213
Speaker 5: It's at all age groups.

1388
01:09:29,253 --> 01:09:32,133
Speaker 21: Really there was no There was the younger ones who

1389
01:09:32,173 --> 01:09:35,253
Speaker 21: were possibly new to the organization and you know, the

1390
01:09:35,652 --> 01:09:38,452
Speaker 21: easter fingers in the till at the time, and they

1391
01:09:38,492 --> 01:09:42,173
Speaker 21: were they were picked up pretty quickly. But usually the

1392
01:09:42,253 --> 01:09:44,572
Speaker 21: ones in the back office functions when they hadn't as

1393
01:09:44,612 --> 01:09:47,372
Speaker 21: a game, when they their role had been sort of

1394
01:09:47,452 --> 01:09:50,932
Speaker 21: temporarily filled while they were and they leave, that's when

1395
01:09:50,973 --> 01:09:53,372
Speaker 21: things got picked up. I wonderful, and you know, and

1396
01:09:53,692 --> 01:09:55,812
Speaker 21: they weren't large amounts here. There were small amounts and

1397
01:09:55,893 --> 01:09:59,732
Speaker 21: accumulately over time it works in theer thousands of dollars.

1398
01:10:00,452 --> 01:10:04,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess it starts and then it becomes easy.

1399
01:10:04,293 --> 01:10:07,293
Speaker 2: It's a very easy way to make money. I remember

1400
01:10:07,333 --> 01:10:10,412
Speaker 2: a guy that used to work in a food court

1401
01:10:10,973 --> 01:10:14,812
Speaker 2: and here was my flatmate and he was just taking

1402
01:10:15,412 --> 01:10:17,772
Speaker 2: I can't remember how he did it, but he was

1403
01:10:17,853 --> 01:10:20,053
Speaker 2: just bringing him home so much money. And I asked

1404
01:10:20,133 --> 01:10:22,253
Speaker 2: him one day and he had just been working at

1405
01:10:22,293 --> 01:10:23,973
Speaker 2: that place for a while and he just had a

1406
01:10:24,013 --> 01:10:26,652
Speaker 2: scam where he just took home a lot of money

1407
01:10:26,692 --> 01:10:28,612
Speaker 2: every day and he was taking more money every day

1408
01:10:28,652 --> 01:10:31,173
Speaker 2: than he was earning by working there. And I guess

1409
01:10:31,173 --> 01:10:32,892
Speaker 2: when you start doing that. If you have that little

1410
01:10:32,893 --> 01:10:36,652
Speaker 2: dishonesty to come in, then it's hard to stop you come.

1411
01:10:36,893 --> 01:10:40,812
Speaker 2: I guess you've become dependent on the increased spending power

1412
01:10:40,853 --> 01:10:41,133
Speaker 2: you get.

1413
01:10:42,013 --> 01:10:43,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like you say, a lot of it.

1414
01:10:44,333 --> 01:10:47,933
Speaker 21: Sometimes in the case, the one we looked at was

1415
01:10:48,692 --> 01:10:52,852
Speaker 21: the guy had an addiction with horse racing. And you know,

1416
01:10:52,933 --> 01:10:55,933
Speaker 21: again it was only small amounts each day, it was

1417
01:10:55,973 --> 01:10:58,812
Speaker 21: sometimes less than five dollars, but it just accumulated over time.

1418
01:10:58,893 --> 01:11:01,572
Speaker 21: And when we looked at it, yeah, there were only

1419
01:11:01,612 --> 01:11:05,492
Speaker 21: small amounts, but over a lot of different circumstances that

1420
01:11:05,812 --> 01:11:10,492
Speaker 21: amount increased increased increases, and over time. You know, we

1421
01:11:10,612 --> 01:11:12,133
Speaker 21: were looking at quite a lot sum of money.

1422
01:11:12,612 --> 01:11:15,492
Speaker 2: I wonder if the you know, this study that's found

1423
01:11:15,532 --> 01:11:17,812
Speaker 2: it wasn't your experience, but found out that it's often

1424
01:11:17,893 --> 01:11:20,652
Speaker 2: older people that are doing the major and bizzling. I

1425
01:11:20,812 --> 01:11:22,893
Speaker 2: wonder if that's because you've been in the company for

1426
01:11:23,013 --> 01:11:25,573
Speaker 2: a very long period of time. You know the systems,

1427
01:11:25,692 --> 01:11:29,253
Speaker 2: you're you're trusted in a way that junior staff aren't.

1428
01:11:31,612 --> 01:11:33,612
Speaker 2: You become sort of the authority on what's going.

1429
01:11:33,452 --> 01:11:36,452
Speaker 21: On that's right, and they get comfortable and then you know,

1430
01:11:36,532 --> 01:11:38,973
Speaker 21: they know that they sort of feel as though in

1431
01:11:39,053 --> 01:11:40,893
Speaker 21: near indestructibility and where they go.

1432
01:11:41,652 --> 01:11:44,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just imagine I don't think I could. Must

1433
01:11:44,772 --> 01:11:46,692
Speaker 2: be hard to sleep if you're a puzzling from your

1434
01:11:46,732 --> 01:11:49,213
Speaker 2: company every day, because surely it's a ticking time bomb

1435
01:11:49,293 --> 01:11:51,692
Speaker 2: before because at some point you have to retire and

1436
01:11:51,772 --> 01:11:54,133
Speaker 2: someone's someone you's got to come along up on the bottle.

1437
01:11:54,333 --> 01:11:58,093
Speaker 21: Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly yeah. And it's and usually when

1438
01:11:58,133 --> 01:12:01,572
Speaker 21: people have gone have gone away and come back and

1439
01:12:02,013 --> 01:12:05,213
Speaker 21: met when things are exposed and then they got to

1440
01:12:05,253 --> 01:12:06,492
Speaker 21: answer all the questions to go with it.

1441
01:12:06,732 --> 01:12:09,973
Speaker 3: So this particular story, this woman, she stole more than

1442
01:12:10,053 --> 01:12:12,492
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand, half a million and fourteen months. That

1443
01:12:12,612 --> 01:12:15,092
Speaker 3: doesn't surprise you Allan she was clearly in a position

1444
01:12:15,173 --> 01:12:18,053
Speaker 3: where she knew the systems like the back of her

1445
01:12:18,093 --> 01:12:21,213
Speaker 3: hand and was very trusted. But that is that is

1446
01:12:21,293 --> 01:12:22,253
Speaker 3: not an unusual figure.

1447
01:12:23,213 --> 01:12:26,612
Speaker 21: No, no, that's not no usual figure. It's a large figure,

1448
01:12:26,652 --> 01:12:29,412
Speaker 21: but it's not an unusual amount. But you know, you

1449
01:12:29,532 --> 01:12:34,173
Speaker 21: probably find these, you know, where's fees attached to to

1450
01:12:35,532 --> 01:12:40,692
Speaker 21: to contracts, all these percentages added to contracts that you

1451
01:12:40,772 --> 01:12:43,972
Speaker 21: know when things are on sold, you know, all those

1452
01:12:44,053 --> 01:12:46,452
Speaker 21: sorts of things that they can get their hands on

1453
01:12:46,853 --> 01:12:48,973
Speaker 21: you know, they can get directed in different directions to

1454
01:12:48,973 --> 01:12:50,213
Speaker 21: where they shouldn't we Well.

1455
01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:53,492
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your insights, Alan, It's very interesting. Yeah,

1456
01:12:53,572 --> 01:12:55,532
Speaker 2: some Texas see you know, it's happening all the time.

1457
01:12:55,532 --> 01:12:58,612
Speaker 2: I was saying. A woman got sentenced in christ Church

1458
01:12:58,732 --> 01:13:01,132
Speaker 2: just last month for stealing eight hundred and fifty thousand

1459
01:13:01,173 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 2: dollars from the contracting firm she worked for.

1460
01:13:06,213 --> 01:13:09,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that so just to give you a bit

1461
01:13:09,612 --> 01:13:12,973
Speaker 3: more insight into how this particular woman who was convicted

1462
01:13:13,572 --> 01:13:17,093
Speaker 3: did it. That she was in charge of the invoices

1463
01:13:17,173 --> 01:13:19,933
Speaker 3: for this company and it was called custom Kit and

1464
01:13:20,053 --> 01:13:23,173
Speaker 3: of course being involved in the invoices, she dictated where

1465
01:13:23,173 --> 01:13:26,053
Speaker 3: those invoices were paid to. So she invented more than

1466
01:13:26,173 --> 01:13:29,612
Speaker 3: fifty supplier invoices all that were paid into her account.

1467
01:13:29,732 --> 01:13:32,852
Speaker 3: And these supplier invoices, because it was a building company,

1468
01:13:33,133 --> 01:13:35,652
Speaker 3: they were for on average forty thousand dollars a pop.

1469
01:13:36,053 --> 01:13:36,213
Speaker 6: Right.

1470
01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:38,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a famous case that people from

1471
01:13:38,612 --> 01:13:42,973
Speaker 2: Dunedin will remember. An IT specialist that was contracting to

1472
01:13:43,732 --> 01:13:50,812
Speaker 2: the Ottaga Hospital and was supplying had had a person

1473
01:13:50,893 --> 01:13:53,772
Speaker 2: offsite someone remember the details of it. That so was

1474
01:13:53,853 --> 01:13:56,893
Speaker 2: contracting all the it work to a company that was

1475
01:13:56,933 --> 01:13:59,812
Speaker 2: set up with a friend that wasn't actually doing anything.

1476
01:13:59,893 --> 01:14:03,452
Speaker 2: So the it was just terribly old fashioned, but millions

1477
01:14:03,492 --> 01:14:05,452
Speaker 2: of dollars. I'm not sure exactly what the figure was

1478
01:14:05,492 --> 01:14:07,732
Speaker 2: going through to the point where he had himself a

1479
01:14:08,372 --> 01:14:13,693
Speaker 2: very expensive yacht for this job. So you know they're invoicing.

1480
01:14:13,772 --> 01:14:16,812
Speaker 2: Is obviously a sort of an area that you can

1481
01:14:16,933 --> 01:14:19,173
Speaker 2: lean into if you want to be a fraudster. Hi,

1482
01:14:19,293 --> 01:14:22,133
Speaker 2: the caller about fraudster is not taking holidays, is so right.

1483
01:14:22,213 --> 01:14:25,333
Speaker 2: They also will stay on at work after knockoff. So

1484
01:14:25,452 --> 01:14:28,253
Speaker 2: now everyone that's just a really good worker, someone that's

1485
01:14:28,293 --> 01:14:30,372
Speaker 2: just really dedicated the job, I'm not going to take holidays.

1486
01:14:30,652 --> 01:14:34,972
Speaker 2: They're working over time. Now everyone's pointing at the finger frauds.

1487
01:14:35,692 --> 01:14:37,492
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1488
01:14:37,532 --> 01:14:41,133
Speaker 3: to call. It's ninety three the issues that affect you

1489
01:14:41,492 --> 01:14:42,972
Speaker 3: and a bit of fun along the way.

1490
01:14:43,253 --> 01:14:46,012
Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons us.

1491
01:14:45,933 --> 01:14:48,532
Speaker 3: Talk said be seven to three.

1492
01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:53,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that fraud I was talking about from Tago DHB,

1493
01:14:53,692 --> 01:14:56,652
Speaker 2: two men who defrauded the Otago District Health Board of

1494
01:14:56,692 --> 01:14:59,812
Speaker 2: almost seventeen million dollars is back in two thousand and nine.

1495
01:15:00,053 --> 01:15:01,892
Speaker 2: It is believed to be the largest case of employe

1496
01:15:01,973 --> 01:15:04,572
Speaker 2: for fraud and using history at the time. From two

1497
01:15:04,612 --> 01:15:06,812
Speaker 2: thousand to two thousand and six they foiled one hundred

1498
01:15:06,812 --> 01:15:09,333
Speaker 2: and ninety six folks invoices from the district Health Board,

1499
01:15:10,013 --> 01:15:13,492
Speaker 2: totally sixteen point nine million dollars. You're stealing from You're

1500
01:15:13,532 --> 01:15:16,772
Speaker 2: taking seventeen million dollars out of the district Health Board.

1501
01:15:17,053 --> 01:15:21,412
Speaker 2: The damage that you did to health in Otago doing that.

1502
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:24,173
Speaker 2: Mike Swan was the guy's name. He got sentenced to

1503
01:15:24,372 --> 01:15:27,892
Speaker 2: nine and a half years and a minimum non prole

1504
01:15:27,973 --> 01:15:29,492
Speaker 2: or four and a half years could be out. Probably

1505
01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:33,412
Speaker 2: is out and quantity serve carry Halford, so they were

1506
01:15:33,492 --> 01:15:37,053
Speaker 2: just invoice. Haraford kept ten percent of the money and

1507
01:15:37,173 --> 01:15:39,732
Speaker 2: forwarded the remaining ninety to Swan, who spent it on

1508
01:15:39,853 --> 01:15:42,492
Speaker 2: luxury cars, boats and property. So you're driving around in

1509
01:15:42,612 --> 01:15:45,732
Speaker 2: luxury cars, you had a flash boat, you've got property,

1510
01:15:45,853 --> 01:15:49,492
Speaker 2: and that's all come from sucking the life out of

1511
01:15:49,532 --> 01:15:52,412
Speaker 2: a district health board. How freaking evil? Can you be?

1512
01:15:52,652 --> 01:15:53,293
Speaker 3: Psychopathic?

1513
01:15:53,452 --> 01:15:57,492
Speaker 2: And because it was the IT part of the company,

1514
01:15:58,253 --> 01:16:00,892
Speaker 2: the district Health Board was running terrible it because they

1515
01:16:00,933 --> 01:16:03,772
Speaker 2: weren't doing the job that they said they were that

1516
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:04,452
Speaker 2: they were doing.

1517
01:16:04,772 --> 01:16:05,532
Speaker 3: That isn't real.

1518
01:16:05,812 --> 01:16:07,452
Speaker 2: That ain't cool. It ain't cool.

1519
01:16:07,492 --> 01:16:11,852
Speaker 3: It is straight cy path behavior. Yeah, Bob, how are you.

1520
01:16:13,812 --> 01:16:14,133
Speaker 15: Hey? Good?

1521
01:16:15,572 --> 01:16:15,732
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1522
01:16:15,732 --> 01:16:19,253
Speaker 5: I used to work for a subthig out construction company

1523
01:16:20,452 --> 01:16:26,293
Speaker 5: back in the day, and it was like a overseas developer.

1524
01:16:26,572 --> 01:16:29,612
Speaker 5: So they had a project manager that was was also

1525
01:16:29,652 --> 01:16:34,532
Speaker 5: from the same country and he had a gambling problem,

1526
01:16:34,812 --> 01:16:39,173
Speaker 5: gambling addiction. So he was basically using company money and

1527
01:16:39,372 --> 01:16:44,253
Speaker 5: flying up to Sky City Casino and blowing money, blowing

1528
01:16:44,293 --> 01:16:46,612
Speaker 5: the company money up there, like sort of ten thousand

1529
01:16:46,612 --> 01:16:47,253
Speaker 5: dollars at a time.

1530
01:16:48,532 --> 01:16:49,012
Speaker 14: And then.

1531
01:16:51,532 --> 01:16:54,173
Speaker 5: I thought we only sort of heard about it, you know,

1532
01:16:54,452 --> 01:16:57,933
Speaker 5: just just rumors through Uster being at the site for

1533
01:16:57,973 --> 01:17:00,772
Speaker 5: a while, because he's constantly doing like Friday night shouts

1534
01:17:00,853 --> 01:17:04,893
Speaker 5: with just free booze and AFC and stuff for a

1535
01:17:04,933 --> 01:17:08,293
Speaker 5: lot of the guys there, and just did it seemed

1536
01:17:08,372 --> 01:17:12,293
Speaker 5: a bit flamboyant with cash and then at the gambling,

1537
01:17:12,333 --> 01:17:17,892
Speaker 5: and then there was one funny occasion where one Friday

1538
01:17:18,492 --> 01:17:22,293
Speaker 5: he did a big shout and then we'd sort of

1539
01:17:23,213 --> 01:17:26,372
Speaker 5: heard that he liked to frequent brothels and things like

1540
01:17:26,452 --> 01:17:29,932
Speaker 5: that now and then, and as he has quite drunk.

1541
01:17:30,253 --> 01:17:32,532
Speaker 5: He's a like, put it out there, who wants to

1542
01:17:32,612 --> 01:17:36,692
Speaker 5: come to the brothel or something like that, and a

1543
01:17:36,772 --> 01:17:40,652
Speaker 5: couple of a couple of the keen single guys dead

1544
01:17:42,133 --> 01:17:43,932
Speaker 5: the rest of us who are pretty turned off by

1545
01:17:44,173 --> 01:17:47,852
Speaker 5: by it. And then he the following The funny thing

1546
01:17:48,013 --> 01:17:50,772
Speaker 5: was these these couple of lads that did go with

1547
01:17:50,893 --> 01:17:53,053
Speaker 5: them the following week when they got their paycheck he

1548
01:17:53,412 --> 01:17:54,333
Speaker 5: had doctor paycheck.

1549
01:17:56,652 --> 01:17:56,892
Speaker 4: Wow.

1550
01:17:57,093 --> 01:17:59,412
Speaker 2: That that's you know, committing fraud and then being the

1551
01:17:59,492 --> 01:18:04,133
Speaker 2: big man by shouting other people drinks and such and

1552
01:18:04,933 --> 01:18:08,772
Speaker 2: you know other things, even though he doctor pay that's

1553
01:18:08,812 --> 01:18:11,372
Speaker 2: the worst kind of frauds to write you to be caught.

1554
01:18:11,492 --> 01:18:14,213
Speaker 2: You make yourself the bergman. You're so generous, but it's

1555
01:18:14,253 --> 01:18:16,133
Speaker 2: not your money. I mean, it's like Bernie Madoff running

1556
01:18:16,173 --> 01:18:17,573
Speaker 2: those charity dinners.

1557
01:18:17,333 --> 01:18:18,412
Speaker 3: And fleshy a holes.

1558
01:18:18,492 --> 01:18:20,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a lot of checks coming through and

1559
01:18:20,412 --> 01:18:21,812
Speaker 2: a lot of calls coming through on O one hundred

1560
01:18:21,812 --> 01:18:24,093
Speaker 2: and eighteen eighty Susy. We keep the subject going after

1561
01:18:24,173 --> 01:18:24,532
Speaker 2: the news.

1562
01:18:24,692 --> 01:18:28,213
Speaker 3: Absolutely it is coming next, as well as sport and weather.

1563
01:18:29,692 --> 01:18:35,293
Speaker 1: Everything you need to know, news, sports, business, rural entertainment's opinion,

1564
01:18:35,452 --> 01:18:39,532
Speaker 1: all in sixty minutes. It's done Now the Hour with

1565
01:18:39,772 --> 01:18:42,573
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams, News Talk Zivy.

1566
01:18:43,013 --> 01:18:45,572
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the shows. Even passed through. Great to

1567
01:18:45,612 --> 01:18:49,053
Speaker 3: have your company is always and you're having a great discussion,

1568
01:18:49,692 --> 01:18:52,452
Speaker 3: but a sober discussion as well about fraud within business

1569
01:18:52,492 --> 01:18:53,012
Speaker 3: in New Zealand.

1570
01:18:53,173 --> 01:18:56,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Hasn't happened to you? What are the signs?

1571
01:18:56,293 --> 01:18:59,532
Speaker 2: Have you done it? We're talking about this this woman

1572
01:18:59,612 --> 01:19:03,052
Speaker 2: who has been done for stealing five hundred thousand dollars

1573
01:19:03,213 --> 01:19:08,253
Speaker 2: from her company over fourteen months. Yeah, there is accusations

1574
01:19:08,492 --> 01:19:11,012
Speaker 2: she went on a cruise ship with some of the money.

1575
01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:14,732
Speaker 2: Last month, another woman was done for eight hundred and

1576
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:17,452
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars stolen from the company. It's every week

1577
01:19:17,532 --> 01:19:20,492
Speaker 2: you hear about someone that is embezzled from a company.

1578
01:19:20,772 --> 01:19:24,772
Speaker 2: So what are the signs? And has it happened to you?

1579
01:19:25,053 --> 01:19:27,452
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty Have you done it?

1580
01:19:28,053 --> 01:19:30,412
Speaker 2: We haven't heard from anyone that's done it yet. Yeah,

1581
01:19:30,732 --> 01:19:33,452
Speaker 2: week we can be very we're going to be very

1582
01:19:33,612 --> 01:19:34,372
Speaker 2: discreet about it.

1583
01:19:34,492 --> 01:19:34,652
Speaker 15: Yep.

1584
01:19:34,893 --> 01:19:36,892
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe you've been convicted and it's over

1585
01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:39,492
Speaker 2: and you've moved on, or maybe it's in your past

1586
01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:42,692
Speaker 2: but it would just be good to insight as a

1587
01:19:42,853 --> 01:19:45,852
Speaker 2: you know PSA, for people to know what to look

1588
01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:47,052
Speaker 2: out for to protect their company.

1589
01:19:47,412 --> 01:19:50,133
Speaker 3: No judgment, just curiosity. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1590
01:19:50,293 --> 01:19:54,692
Speaker 3: is the number to call, desiree? How are you this afternoon? Hi,

1591
01:19:54,933 --> 01:19:57,852
Speaker 3: desire how are you Desiree? Sorry about they No, that's.

1592
01:19:57,772 --> 01:20:01,293
Speaker 7: Okay, No worries. Air company. We had an officility that

1593
01:20:01,452 --> 01:20:04,333
Speaker 7: committed forward with us, and she was working for another

1594
01:20:04,412 --> 01:20:07,772
Speaker 7: company at the same time, so she was double dipping

1595
01:20:07,853 --> 01:20:10,772
Speaker 7: on both of us. And yeah, I know, and she

1596
01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:14,452
Speaker 7: it was. It came to one hundred grand just after

1597
01:20:14,612 --> 01:20:19,612
Speaker 7: but just over. But I mean the signs really are

1598
01:20:20,093 --> 01:20:24,133
Speaker 7: Hers was definitely greed, not need, and she did up

1599
01:20:24,173 --> 01:20:27,893
Speaker 7: her house and new car everything like that. And I

1600
01:20:27,973 --> 01:20:30,933
Speaker 7: remember looking at us thinking, good, we can't afford to

1601
01:20:30,973 --> 01:20:34,893
Speaker 7: do that. What's going on there? And but you know,

1602
01:20:34,973 --> 01:20:38,813
Speaker 7: we let the ball down. We I was sick head operations,

1603
01:20:39,652 --> 01:20:41,772
Speaker 7: et cetera, and she took over. What they do is

1604
01:20:41,812 --> 01:20:43,652
Speaker 7: they zoom in and they take over. They'll go, I'll

1605
01:20:43,692 --> 01:20:45,772
Speaker 7: do the account told you this year. You relax, you know,

1606
01:20:46,372 --> 01:20:49,732
Speaker 7: and then they're in. They're then and then they're doing

1607
01:20:49,772 --> 01:20:54,852
Speaker 7: falseome voicing and then a little stuff confront.

1608
01:20:55,612 --> 01:20:57,253
Speaker 2: Did you did you ever have.

1609
01:20:59,612 --> 01:21:00,333
Speaker 7: Our accountant?

1610
01:21:00,372 --> 01:21:00,492
Speaker 20: Did?

1611
01:21:01,692 --> 01:21:03,333
Speaker 7: He picked up? But oh we went to court. We

1612
01:21:03,612 --> 01:21:05,893
Speaker 7: thought it because we didn't want to doing it to

1613
01:21:05,973 --> 01:21:10,652
Speaker 7: someone else. So I'm to the other company. He had

1614
01:21:10,692 --> 01:21:13,892
Speaker 7: a big trucking company, working really hard, and we got together.

1615
01:21:14,532 --> 01:21:16,692
Speaker 7: So you've got to hire the forensic accountants as well.

1616
01:21:17,372 --> 01:21:20,412
Speaker 7: Otherwise the police don't take it, you know, seriously. They

1617
01:21:20,452 --> 01:21:23,293
Speaker 7: don't take ford seriously at all. So we got together

1618
01:21:24,173 --> 01:21:27,093
Speaker 7: and the forensic accountants come in and they go. They

1619
01:21:27,133 --> 01:21:29,652
Speaker 7: were great. I mean, it costs to with it, but

1620
01:21:30,253 --> 01:21:35,133
Speaker 7: without them, you you know, you really are stuck when

1621
01:21:35,133 --> 01:21:39,093
Speaker 7: it comes to her being charged for fraud. So they

1622
01:21:39,133 --> 01:21:42,612
Speaker 7: came in and with both companies and all she got

1623
01:21:43,293 --> 01:21:45,572
Speaker 7: all she got over two years. It took us two

1624
01:21:45,652 --> 01:21:49,132
Speaker 7: years to get it to court. Was nine months home detention.

1625
01:21:49,973 --> 01:21:50,173
Speaker 9: Wow?

1626
01:21:50,293 --> 01:21:50,492
Speaker 4: Real?

1627
01:21:50,853 --> 01:21:52,652
Speaker 2: And did it? What sort of damage did it do

1628
01:21:52,812 --> 01:21:55,612
Speaker 2: to your your business? Desrae?

1629
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:58,293
Speaker 7: Oh I did a lot of damage. It did a

1630
01:21:58,412 --> 01:22:00,893
Speaker 7: lot of damage. Like we just weren't making money. And

1631
01:22:01,013 --> 01:22:04,933
Speaker 7: then her father started paying us some back, but there

1632
01:22:05,053 --> 01:22:07,333
Speaker 7: was wages that she was paying us south three times

1633
01:22:07,372 --> 01:22:10,053
Speaker 7: a week. Sometimes we never got we never I know.

1634
01:22:10,412 --> 01:22:11,253
Speaker 7: And this is what they do.

1635
01:22:11,452 --> 01:22:14,572
Speaker 2: They get So did she clock did you really believe

1636
01:22:14,612 --> 01:22:16,572
Speaker 2: that she could get away with it? Or was there

1637
01:22:16,692 --> 01:22:20,253
Speaker 2: some kind of nihilism nihilism in it or something because

1638
01:22:20,293 --> 01:22:21,572
Speaker 2: she's going to get find out.

1639
01:22:23,532 --> 01:22:25,492
Speaker 7: I don't think they think they are going to well

1640
01:22:25,572 --> 01:22:29,253
Speaker 7: this one she was married to a policeman and and

1641
01:22:29,572 --> 01:22:32,133
Speaker 7: it just all exploded. It was like air lives were

1642
01:22:32,372 --> 01:22:36,013
Speaker 7: and we felt stupid, We felt really so anyhow, and

1643
01:22:36,133 --> 01:22:38,932
Speaker 7: some people had said, trust, why why are you taking

1644
01:22:39,013 --> 01:22:41,652
Speaker 7: it to court? And you know, we're saying so she

1645
01:22:41,772 --> 01:22:44,612
Speaker 7: doesn't come and work for you. You know, she doesn't

1646
01:22:44,652 --> 01:22:49,492
Speaker 7: work for the next company, and it's you're doing you

1647
01:22:49,572 --> 01:22:51,933
Speaker 7: feel really stupid. You know, you don't do any of

1648
01:22:52,013 --> 01:22:54,692
Speaker 7: this taken into court lightly because it's a lot of

1649
01:22:55,652 --> 01:22:56,612
Speaker 7: you know, it's a lot of work.

1650
01:22:56,853 --> 01:23:00,213
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself are you doing things differently now?

1651
01:23:00,412 --> 01:23:01,213
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you just.

1652
01:23:03,612 --> 01:23:07,732
Speaker 7: Distrustful or absolutely yeah? And you know that whole that

1653
01:23:07,853 --> 01:23:11,772
Speaker 7: whole flow of white females in their forties, she was

1654
01:23:11,893 --> 01:23:15,572
Speaker 7: exactly that. They just fit that profile. And there was

1655
01:23:15,652 --> 01:23:18,372
Speaker 7: someone that did it and the cargo will we are

1656
01:23:18,492 --> 01:23:21,013
Speaker 7: straight after her and they fit that profile. You sit

1657
01:23:21,133 --> 01:23:24,053
Speaker 7: in court and you look at them and that's you know,

1658
01:23:24,692 --> 01:23:24,973
Speaker 7: that's what.

1659
01:23:25,053 --> 01:23:29,133
Speaker 3: They look like, because do you desiree was looking like

1660
01:23:29,253 --> 01:23:32,253
Speaker 3: someone who was a hard worker, who was invested in

1661
01:23:32,333 --> 01:23:34,333
Speaker 3: the company, wear it all along and thank god for

1662
01:23:34,412 --> 01:23:36,333
Speaker 3: this accountant. She was just there to rip you off.

1663
01:23:36,893 --> 01:23:38,532
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was there to rip us after and the

1664
01:23:38,612 --> 01:23:41,852
Speaker 7: other the other firm as well. Exactly him as well,

1665
01:23:42,412 --> 01:23:44,173
Speaker 7: you know, and he was a lot bigger than us,

1666
01:23:44,572 --> 01:23:44,772
Speaker 7: you know.

1667
01:23:45,013 --> 01:23:48,013
Speaker 2: And you've got the idea how much she nicked from

1668
01:23:48,013 --> 01:23:48,492
Speaker 2: the other firm.

1669
01:23:49,973 --> 01:23:51,772
Speaker 7: Oh, I wouldn't like to say.

1670
01:23:52,213 --> 01:23:55,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably about the same nine months. Home detention though

1671
01:23:56,372 --> 01:23:58,812
Speaker 3: was a joke, and you know, it was a joke.

1672
01:24:00,333 --> 01:24:01,892
Speaker 2: What I find really amazing is we're hearing a lot

1673
01:24:01,933 --> 01:24:04,333
Speaker 2: of these stories coming through the text machine and on

1674
01:24:04,452 --> 01:24:07,772
Speaker 2: the phones, and they don't seem to hide it. Very

1675
01:24:08,333 --> 01:24:11,732
Speaker 2: they don't try and hide it. There's there's renovations, there's cars,

1676
01:24:12,532 --> 01:24:16,572
Speaker 2: there's there's flash holidays, and you know, if you're employing someone,

1677
01:24:16,933 --> 01:24:19,093
Speaker 2: you know how much they should be getting paid. And

1678
01:24:19,173 --> 01:24:22,012
Speaker 2: if they're turning up and a pleasure car that you drive.

1679
01:24:22,013 --> 01:24:24,812
Speaker 7: Exacutly what you guys, Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. But

1680
01:24:24,893 --> 01:24:28,772
Speaker 7: they do slip up because they start unknowingly they start

1681
01:24:28,853 --> 01:24:29,612
Speaker 7: to show it off a bit.

1682
01:24:30,053 --> 01:24:32,572
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know they do.

1683
01:24:32,732 --> 01:24:35,412
Speaker 7: They start off slowly taking away bit, taking away bit,

1684
01:24:35,492 --> 01:24:38,133
Speaker 7: and then they get bigger and bigger and and they

1685
01:24:38,293 --> 01:24:40,652
Speaker 7: just look on you like you stupid, and you do

1686
01:24:40,772 --> 01:24:44,612
Speaker 7: feel stupid, you do. It's embarrassing and it's but anyway, anyway,

1687
01:24:44,732 --> 01:24:45,093
Speaker 7: so it was.

1688
01:24:45,492 --> 01:24:48,093
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry that no one else employs it. I'm

1689
01:24:48,133 --> 01:24:49,612
Speaker 2: sorry that happened to you, But good on you for

1690
01:24:49,732 --> 01:24:51,973
Speaker 2: going to the extra effort to make sure that you

1691
01:24:52,053 --> 01:24:53,932
Speaker 2: took it to court to stop it having to other people.

1692
01:24:53,973 --> 01:24:55,052
Speaker 2: So you obviously a good person.

1693
01:24:55,333 --> 01:24:58,372
Speaker 7: And yeah, I think to anyone else out there that

1694
01:24:58,612 --> 01:25:00,452
Speaker 7: I think you do have to get those three intif

1695
01:25:00,492 --> 01:25:03,772
Speaker 7: accountants then, you know, because they go into the background

1696
01:25:03,812 --> 01:25:07,532
Speaker 7: of every time and you really have to push to

1697
01:25:07,652 --> 01:25:10,812
Speaker 7: the police as well. You know, it's not good enough.

1698
01:25:10,973 --> 01:25:13,053
Speaker 7: So I mean, good luck to anybody.

1699
01:25:13,333 --> 01:25:14,213
Speaker 3: Tepp me to out there.

1700
01:25:14,412 --> 01:25:17,253
Speaker 2: Final question and Ellen before, who's dealt with a lot

1701
01:25:17,333 --> 01:25:19,732
Speaker 2: of this in the past. He said to us that

1702
01:25:20,492 --> 01:25:23,612
Speaker 2: these employees often that are stealing, often don't take holidays

1703
01:25:23,652 --> 01:25:27,132
Speaker 2: and often work after our Yeah, was that the case.

1704
01:25:27,173 --> 01:25:29,972
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, they they don't take holidays and they don't

1705
01:25:30,053 --> 01:25:33,932
Speaker 7: let anyone else do their job. They actually what they

1706
01:25:34,053 --> 01:25:38,093
Speaker 7: do as they organize it so that they are doing

1707
01:25:38,173 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 7: that particular job and if I went in to do it,

1708
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:41,213
Speaker 7: I wouldn't know how to do it.

1709
01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:44,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're the hero, but they're the villain. But

1710
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:45,412
Speaker 2: they're pretending to be the hero.

1711
01:25:45,933 --> 01:25:47,253
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's exactly what they do.

1712
01:25:47,692 --> 01:25:50,612
Speaker 7: And honestly it's the one you least expect.

1713
01:25:51,333 --> 01:25:55,452
Speaker 3: It really is Macavelian. And good on you, Desirae for

1714
01:25:55,772 --> 01:25:58,252
Speaker 3: going through with taking her to court and getting that prosecution,

1715
01:25:59,173 --> 01:26:02,812
Speaker 3: because hopefully she will never get a job again. One

1716
01:26:02,893 --> 01:26:04,412
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen eighty is a number to call.

1717
01:26:04,572 --> 01:26:07,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about fraud and busment. Has it happened

1718
01:26:07,492 --> 01:26:09,973
Speaker 2: to you? What are the lies? Have you done it

1719
01:26:10,093 --> 01:26:13,053
Speaker 2: to yourself? All right, I'm not holding out much hope

1720
01:26:13,053 --> 01:26:16,013
Speaker 2: we're going to get a call from someone to start it.

1721
01:26:16,093 --> 01:26:18,133
Speaker 2: But maybe we're here if you want to happen yet,

1722
01:26:18,732 --> 01:26:19,612
Speaker 2: we won't tell anyone.

1723
01:26:21,692 --> 01:26:23,692
Speaker 3: It is a seventeen past three and we're talking about

1724
01:26:23,812 --> 01:26:27,293
Speaker 3: fraud within your own business. Or if you have committed

1725
01:26:27,333 --> 01:26:30,173
Speaker 3: fraud yourself, you've done your time, you've served it, you've

1726
01:26:30,253 --> 01:26:31,092
Speaker 3: learnt from your mistakes.

1727
01:26:31,133 --> 01:26:31,652
Speaker 15: Can you hear from you?

1728
01:26:31,692 --> 01:26:31,812
Speaker 4: Oh?

1729
01:26:31,812 --> 01:26:32,852
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1730
01:26:32,933 --> 01:26:35,492
Speaker 2: A lot of people wanted to know from Disree whether

1731
01:26:35,532 --> 01:26:38,772
Speaker 2: the woman paid the money back. If you're still listening

1732
01:26:38,772 --> 01:26:40,812
Speaker 2: to Disreel seen it through. But I think what she

1733
01:26:40,893 --> 01:26:42,772
Speaker 2: said that if father paid some of it back, but

1734
01:26:42,893 --> 01:26:44,973
Speaker 2: she just got home attention. So I don't think. I

1735
01:26:45,013 --> 01:26:47,213
Speaker 2: don't think they got much of it back at all,

1736
01:26:47,652 --> 01:26:49,412
Speaker 2: because it's all gone. That's the thing.

1737
01:26:49,772 --> 01:26:49,972
Speaker 4: Yep.

1738
01:26:50,093 --> 01:26:52,213
Speaker 2: You know, hey, Matt, as it possible some of these

1739
01:26:52,253 --> 01:26:55,812
Speaker 2: embezzlers are incarcerated that's unable to communicate. Well, I don't

1740
01:26:55,853 --> 01:26:58,053
Speaker 2: know that that person stole one hundred thousand from one

1741
01:26:58,133 --> 01:27:00,772
Speaker 2: person and another from more and ended up with nine

1742
01:27:00,812 --> 01:27:03,652
Speaker 2: months home detention. So you know, they could ring in.

1743
01:27:04,093 --> 01:27:06,932
Speaker 2: They wanted to Chris, Welcome to the show. You got

1744
01:27:07,013 --> 01:27:09,293
Speaker 2: ripped off to the tune of one point eight million.

1745
01:27:10,612 --> 01:27:17,213
Speaker 15: Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, I didn't even know what was happening, mate,

1746
01:27:17,412 --> 01:27:21,013
Speaker 15: I it was pretty I guess it was pretty good

1747
01:27:21,013 --> 01:27:22,772
Speaker 15: what she did or not. It wasn't, but you know

1748
01:27:22,853 --> 01:27:23,213
Speaker 15: what I mean.

1749
01:27:24,652 --> 01:27:28,293
Speaker 2: So, was this within your company that you own and ran?

1750
01:27:28,812 --> 01:27:29,012
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1751
01:27:29,772 --> 01:27:33,812
Speaker 15: Yeah, now it's it was liquidated at twenty one because

1752
01:27:33,853 --> 01:27:35,732
Speaker 15: of this, because of the because of the debt.

1753
01:27:35,812 --> 01:27:35,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1754
01:27:36,732 --> 01:27:40,852
Speaker 2: Wow, So to tell us, tell us how this all happened, Chris.

1755
01:27:41,893 --> 01:27:46,173
Speaker 15: So, she was working for me for I had that

1756
01:27:46,253 --> 01:27:48,652
Speaker 15: business for thirteen years. After six years I had it,

1757
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:51,772
Speaker 15: I hope my account because he was going to retire.

1758
01:27:51,853 --> 01:27:54,972
Speaker 15: I just had him check everything out. I go through

1759
01:27:55,013 --> 01:27:57,772
Speaker 15: it because he was previously reported by the Idea as

1760
01:27:57,853 --> 01:28:01,572
Speaker 15: a friends and investigator. So he checked it all out

1761
01:28:01,612 --> 01:28:04,612
Speaker 15: for me and everything was good. So she was with

1762
01:28:04,732 --> 01:28:07,213
Speaker 15: me from probably the second year that I had my

1763
01:28:07,293 --> 01:28:10,372
Speaker 15: business and was four years later. And I got it

1764
01:28:10,412 --> 01:28:12,612
Speaker 15: all checked out, not because I was suspicious of anything,

1765
01:28:12,692 --> 01:28:15,012
Speaker 15: just because I wanted to make sure before he retired.

1766
01:28:16,973 --> 01:28:19,692
Speaker 15: I did that, and it turned out from next day

1767
01:28:19,772 --> 01:28:24,372
Speaker 15: on until she got caught she was even money off me.

1768
01:28:26,732 --> 01:28:28,173
Speaker 15: She knew that she wouldn't be able to do it

1769
01:28:28,253 --> 01:28:29,692
Speaker 15: and get it a part of some while he was

1770
01:28:29,732 --> 01:28:32,452
Speaker 15: my accountant, but as soon as he wasn't my accountant,

1771
01:28:32,492 --> 01:28:37,932
Speaker 15: she she actually so I had I was a mechanical business.

1772
01:28:39,333 --> 01:28:42,012
Speaker 15: She made sure that all my accounts were always paid.

1773
01:28:41,772 --> 01:28:46,253
Speaker 2: Apart from the i D, apart from the IOD, apart

1774
01:28:46,253 --> 01:28:48,293
Speaker 2: from the i D. Yeah, and and the and the

1775
01:28:48,772 --> 01:28:50,692
Speaker 2: the money that would go to the i D. She

1776
01:28:50,973 --> 01:28:51,812
Speaker 2: took for herself.

1777
01:28:52,692 --> 01:28:56,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow, how does she How does she expect.

1778
01:28:56,053 --> 01:28:57,892
Speaker 2: To get away with it? This is what I keep thinking.

1779
01:28:58,013 --> 01:29:00,213
Speaker 2: Eventually someone's gonna going to find out.

1780
01:29:00,293 --> 01:29:04,612
Speaker 21: It just seems so so absolutely she did that for

1781
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:05,452
Speaker 21: six years.

1782
01:29:07,133 --> 01:29:08,133
Speaker 17: Real and so.

1783
01:29:08,572 --> 01:29:09,572
Speaker 4: So what she did was.

1784
01:29:11,133 --> 01:29:16,053
Speaker 15: She set up my email address and everything, so she

1785
01:29:16,652 --> 01:29:20,053
Speaker 15: knew because I'm not an electronics person. I'm sixty two now,

1786
01:29:20,133 --> 01:29:23,532
Speaker 15: I was in my fifties when I opened that business,

1787
01:29:24,133 --> 01:29:27,253
Speaker 15: just but I never grew up with electronics, you know

1788
01:29:27,293 --> 01:29:30,492
Speaker 15: what I mean, So computers and all that sort of thing.

1789
01:29:30,572 --> 01:29:34,052
Speaker 15: I was out on the floor fixing trucks and making

1790
01:29:34,093 --> 01:29:36,412
Speaker 15: sure that my employees were doing what they were meant

1791
01:29:36,452 --> 01:29:37,892
Speaker 15: to be doing and all that. So I was running

1792
01:29:38,013 --> 01:29:40,852
Speaker 15: my business in that way. So she set up my

1793
01:29:40,933 --> 01:29:45,612
Speaker 15: email and everything, and she set up the password. So

1794
01:29:46,372 --> 01:29:49,492
Speaker 15: when the idea was emailing me to ask me why

1795
01:29:49,652 --> 01:29:51,812
Speaker 15: my tax wasn't paid because it hadn't been paid for

1796
01:29:51,973 --> 01:29:57,732
Speaker 15: six years, remember when my account was doing it, or

1797
01:29:57,772 --> 01:29:59,812
Speaker 15: when she was doing my account was making sure that

1798
01:29:59,893 --> 01:30:04,173
Speaker 15: it was done. So in the next six years, she

1799
01:30:04,572 --> 01:30:08,652
Speaker 15: told them that I was unapproachable pretty much be able

1800
01:30:08,652 --> 01:30:10,852
Speaker 15: to check my emails that were coming through from the

1801
01:30:10,893 --> 01:30:12,812
Speaker 15: ID and delete them before I oversaw them.

1802
01:30:13,372 --> 01:30:16,492
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's pure evil. I'm so sorry this happened

1803
01:30:16,532 --> 01:30:20,852
Speaker 2: to you, Chris. Was the ID understanding in any way

1804
01:30:21,933 --> 01:30:25,173
Speaker 2: that this had been a scam that was paid on

1805
01:30:25,293 --> 01:30:28,572
Speaker 2: you and that you had every intention for the taxes

1806
01:30:28,652 --> 01:30:30,973
Speaker 2: to be paid but they were being siphoned off you

1807
01:30:31,093 --> 01:30:33,132
Speaker 2: before they got to them. Did they take that into account?

1808
01:30:33,973 --> 01:30:36,852
Speaker 15: They were pretty good about to be fair, they so

1809
01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:41,173
Speaker 15: they're not. They're not prosecuting me and any work they performed.

1810
01:30:41,253 --> 01:30:43,972
Speaker 15: I don't think they're prosecuting anyone. I think it's probably

1811
01:30:44,053 --> 01:30:46,013
Speaker 15: up to the Creidatas, and I think the Creidatas are

1812
01:30:46,053 --> 01:30:49,492
Speaker 15: taking it further. But one of the main problems I

1813
01:30:49,612 --> 01:30:51,492
Speaker 15: have is that the police wouldn't do anything about it.

1814
01:30:51,812 --> 01:30:54,213
Speaker 15: They wanted us to investigate what she had done because

1815
01:30:54,213 --> 01:30:54,972
Speaker 15: they don't have the time.

1816
01:30:55,452 --> 01:30:59,492
Speaker 6: Yeah, which was a bit of an eye opener for me.

1817
01:30:59,612 --> 01:31:01,893
Speaker 15: I thought that they would be into these sort of

1818
01:31:01,933 --> 01:31:03,293
Speaker 15: things to make sure that they stopped.

1819
01:31:03,452 --> 01:31:06,692
Speaker 3: So did you have to employ your own forensic accountant?

1820
01:31:06,772 --> 01:31:08,492
Speaker 5: Did you so?

1821
01:31:08,612 --> 01:31:12,652
Speaker 15: My accountant he came back. He came back after this

1822
01:31:12,772 --> 01:31:18,173
Speaker 15: all happened, right, and he helped me out quite a lot.

1823
01:31:18,253 --> 01:31:22,772
Speaker 15: But also liquidators. They because she liked to them. When

1824
01:31:23,612 --> 01:31:26,572
Speaker 15: the place went into liquidation, she told that liquidors I

1825
01:31:26,652 --> 01:31:29,852
Speaker 15: was running broats from KA trucks as well, from christ

1826
01:31:29,973 --> 01:31:33,213
Speaker 15: Church to Aukerman back. So they took her side on

1827
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:37,253
Speaker 15: all this until they she got convicted two more times

1828
01:31:37,293 --> 01:31:40,772
Speaker 15: between twenty one and now for other people about one

1829
01:31:40,812 --> 01:31:42,012
Speaker 15: hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

1830
01:31:42,452 --> 01:31:42,852
Speaker 4: Jeez.

1831
01:31:44,213 --> 01:31:49,053
Speaker 2: And so just to go abauck one steps, Chris, what

1832
01:31:49,333 --> 01:31:51,612
Speaker 2: alerted you to do it was that your accountant coming

1833
01:31:51,692 --> 01:31:53,732
Speaker 2: back and you know you came to trust me. The

1834
01:31:53,772 --> 01:31:56,732
Speaker 2: accountant coming back in and having a look. Is that

1835
01:31:56,893 --> 01:31:59,053
Speaker 2: what alluded to you? Was there something else that that

1836
01:31:59,173 --> 01:32:01,692
Speaker 2: you noticed that made you start investigating and get the

1837
01:32:01,692 --> 01:32:02,692
Speaker 2: other the accountant to come of.

1838
01:32:02,772 --> 01:32:07,213
Speaker 15: A look, No, the liquidors, right, they put me into predation.

1839
01:32:07,612 --> 01:32:11,252
Speaker 15: So a customer of mine read this and the gazette

1840
01:32:13,093 --> 01:32:17,572
Speaker 15: his younger and asked me, why was it possible of liquidation?

1841
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:20,572
Speaker 15: I told him he was shocking because he hadn't been paid,

1842
01:32:20,692 --> 01:32:24,692
Speaker 15: that's right, steading is So he rang me and asked me,

1843
01:32:24,772 --> 01:32:26,333
Speaker 15: you know, do you know you're in the He's young

1844
01:32:26,372 --> 01:32:26,972
Speaker 15: gazette corp.

1845
01:32:27,253 --> 01:32:29,173
Speaker 2: So you didn't even know you were in liquidation.

1846
01:32:30,532 --> 01:32:33,612
Speaker 15: No, no, So I rang the I D because they

1847
01:32:33,652 --> 01:32:35,013
Speaker 15: were the ones that were in the gazette, and I

1848
01:32:35,053 --> 01:32:37,213
Speaker 15: asked him what was going on and they told me

1849
01:32:37,973 --> 01:32:43,372
Speaker 15: that that what what had happened, and they didn't tell

1850
01:32:43,412 --> 01:32:44,932
Speaker 15: me the mountain. I said to them, what, I could

1851
01:32:44,973 --> 01:32:47,293
Speaker 15: probably sell a couple of my trucks and perhaps we

1852
01:32:47,372 --> 01:32:49,253
Speaker 15: could bring the dead up to date. And they said

1853
01:32:49,253 --> 01:32:52,532
Speaker 15: to me, well, it's one point eight million dollars. Well,

1854
01:32:52,652 --> 01:32:55,213
Speaker 15: there's no way that my trucks are going to harm

1855
01:32:55,333 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 15: us and bring that sort of money.

1856
01:32:58,412 --> 01:33:00,253
Speaker 2: And how did you You must have been You must

1857
01:33:00,333 --> 01:33:02,172
Speaker 2: have been so angry.

1858
01:33:03,133 --> 01:33:03,412
Speaker 19: I was.

1859
01:33:03,492 --> 01:33:07,213
Speaker 6: I was, I was standing mate. You know, it's just.

1860
01:33:08,692 --> 01:33:09,892
Speaker 15: It stuffed my life faith.

1861
01:33:10,173 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 6: Really, yeah, it's happened.

1862
01:33:14,253 --> 01:33:17,333
Speaker 2: I can't No, you can't change you can't change the past.

1863
01:33:17,893 --> 01:33:21,412
Speaker 2: But did you get to confront her at all? Did

1864
01:33:21,532 --> 01:33:22,412
Speaker 2: she did you?

1865
01:33:22,492 --> 01:33:22,612
Speaker 4: Ever?

1866
01:33:23,893 --> 01:33:26,692
Speaker 15: When after I talked to the Idea and I saw

1867
01:33:26,732 --> 01:33:29,412
Speaker 15: it was going half in my ear disconnect my company

1868
01:33:29,452 --> 01:33:31,333
Speaker 15: phone that she had, and I've never seen her from

1869
01:33:31,333 --> 01:33:31,812
Speaker 15: that day to this.

1870
01:33:33,173 --> 01:33:35,133
Speaker 4: Do you know she's in jail.

1871
01:33:35,213 --> 01:33:36,093
Speaker 15: That's right, she's in jail.

1872
01:33:36,173 --> 01:33:40,492
Speaker 2: Now, she's in jail. Well that's something other people, Well

1873
01:33:40,812 --> 01:33:43,492
Speaker 2: at least that's some some solace that she's not doing

1874
01:33:43,532 --> 01:33:45,492
Speaker 2: it to anyone else. I guess some sort of small

1875
01:33:45,532 --> 01:33:46,093
Speaker 2: solace fue.

1876
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:49,333
Speaker 3: But the amount of failings in the system, Chris, that

1877
01:33:49,412 --> 01:33:51,372
Speaker 3: happened to you blows my mind. I mean, that is

1878
01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:54,293
Speaker 3: terrible that that you were let down not just by

1879
01:33:54,412 --> 01:33:56,893
Speaker 3: this this scammer and this horrible woman, but by the

1880
01:33:56,933 --> 01:33:57,532
Speaker 3: system as well.

1881
01:33:57,572 --> 01:34:01,492
Speaker 15: It sounds like yeah, so so I asked the idea

1882
01:34:01,612 --> 01:34:07,093
Speaker 15: about about why they didn't get in contact with me

1883
01:34:07,213 --> 01:34:10,412
Speaker 15: after six years have known that what texts were always paid? Yeah,

1884
01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:12,372
Speaker 15: when it started to go wrong, Well, they didn't get

1885
01:34:12,412 --> 01:34:13,973
Speaker 15: in touch with me. Well, they said to me, and

1886
01:34:14,053 --> 01:34:16,012
Speaker 15: this is what I said before they sent me many

1887
01:34:16,093 --> 01:34:19,612
Speaker 15: emails to ask me what was going on. It didn't

1888
01:34:19,612 --> 01:34:21,652
Speaker 15: get in touch with me because she had told them

1889
01:34:21,692 --> 01:34:23,412
Speaker 15: that I was not contacted all my phone.

1890
01:34:24,572 --> 01:34:25,452
Speaker 6: It was a bit of an.

1891
01:34:27,013 --> 01:34:28,053
Speaker 15: I would have thought they would have.

1892
01:34:28,372 --> 01:34:30,732
Speaker 2: I thought they'd be more more. I thought they'd be

1893
01:34:30,772 --> 01:34:33,293
Speaker 2: more voracious with their trying to get hold of you.

1894
01:34:33,372 --> 01:34:35,372
Speaker 2: They seemed to be pretty good at getting hold of

1895
01:34:35,452 --> 01:34:39,293
Speaker 2: other people. So she was just running full full because

1896
01:34:39,293 --> 01:34:42,692
Speaker 2: that because they knew she wasn't responding to them as

1897
01:34:42,812 --> 01:34:46,852
Speaker 2: you she was responding to them as on behalf of you?

1898
01:34:47,612 --> 01:34:48,133
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

1899
01:34:49,412 --> 01:34:50,893
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm so sorry that happened to you.

1900
01:34:51,093 --> 01:34:54,333
Speaker 2: To you, Chris, and yeah, it sounds like that you're

1901
01:34:54,412 --> 01:34:58,253
Speaker 2: you're managed somehow to have a philosophical approach to it.

1902
01:34:58,372 --> 01:35:02,213
Speaker 2: So I applaud that. But yeah, what an what an

1903
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:02,932
Speaker 2: evil person?

1904
01:35:04,013 --> 01:35:04,213
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1905
01:35:04,412 --> 01:35:07,452
Speaker 15: Really? And like one day I can't tell you a

1906
01:35:07,492 --> 01:35:10,693
Speaker 15: few things about this because it's still in the process.

1907
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:12,253
Speaker 6: Off hopefully get into court.

1908
01:35:12,412 --> 01:35:15,253
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, so one day when we have a result

1909
01:35:15,293 --> 01:35:16,852
Speaker 15: out of this back and I'll tell you a couple

1910
01:35:16,893 --> 01:35:17,532
Speaker 15: of other things about it.

1911
01:35:18,213 --> 01:35:20,452
Speaker 2: I would appreciate that, Chris, and all the best, and

1912
01:35:20,532 --> 01:35:21,492
Speaker 2: thank you so much for sharing.

1913
01:35:21,532 --> 01:35:26,692
Speaker 3: His story got too far out, I mean at one.

1914
01:35:26,652 --> 01:35:29,013
Speaker 2: Point eight million, but that's as I said to him,

1915
01:35:29,013 --> 01:35:32,452
Speaker 2: it's like she's gonna be caught at some point because

1916
01:35:32,492 --> 01:35:35,892
Speaker 2: you can't hide from the ID. That's that's that's one

1917
01:35:36,732 --> 01:35:40,173
Speaker 2: group that book just keep coming and coming. But they

1918
01:35:40,213 --> 01:35:44,093
Speaker 2: weren't sending any letters that you know, it was it

1919
01:35:44,213 --> 01:35:45,932
Speaker 2: was completely by email.

1920
01:35:46,013 --> 01:35:48,173
Speaker 3: Again, I mean, so many failings that happened to Cress

1921
01:35:48,213 --> 01:35:50,893
Speaker 3: outside of that evil woman that the you know, the

1922
01:35:51,013 --> 01:35:53,732
Speaker 3: IID obviously not going a little bit further and thankfully

1923
01:35:53,933 --> 01:35:57,053
Speaker 3: it appeared that they were taken into account that he

1924
01:35:57,133 --> 01:36:00,053
Speaker 3: had been ripped off. But then to have your liquidation

1925
01:36:00,253 --> 01:36:02,173
Speaker 3: notice in the gazette and not be told about that

1926
01:36:02,293 --> 01:36:03,972
Speaker 3: until someone reads that that is crazy.

1927
01:36:04,173 --> 01:36:05,772
Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine, a total on a woman

1928
01:36:05,893 --> 01:36:09,172
Speaker 2: stole over one hundred and fifty five thousand dollars from Plunket.

1929
01:36:10,173 --> 01:36:15,812
Speaker 2: So these people stealing from charities and yeah, it's shocking.

1930
01:36:15,973 --> 01:36:18,892
Speaker 2: So there was a study that was done in twenty

1931
01:36:19,093 --> 01:36:24,412
Speaker 2: fifteen and it found out the average age was forty

1932
01:36:24,572 --> 01:36:28,532
Speaker 2: seven point nine of people embezzling from companies and that

1933
01:36:28,893 --> 01:36:32,412
Speaker 2: it is a seventy seventy five percent of female.

1934
01:36:32,532 --> 01:36:32,772
Speaker 3: Wow.

1935
01:36:33,053 --> 01:36:35,133
Speaker 2: But men, if they're embezzling, steal more.

1936
01:36:36,652 --> 01:36:40,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they ain't come off looking that good either. Right,

1937
01:36:40,253 --> 01:36:41,572
Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll come

1938
01:36:41,612 --> 01:36:43,133
Speaker 3: back with some more of your text messages. It is

1939
01:36:43,213 --> 01:36:44,412
Speaker 3: twenty seven bars three.

1940
01:36:48,692 --> 01:36:52,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1941
01:36:52,412 --> 01:36:55,532
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youth Talk ZB twenty nine past three.

1942
01:36:56,133 --> 01:37:00,013
Speaker 2: So we're finishing up on this topic on fraud and

1943
01:37:00,093 --> 01:37:03,972
Speaker 2: embezment from companies. This text here just to finish up messy.

1944
01:37:04,093 --> 01:37:06,652
Speaker 2: UNI offers papers that study fraud I did at last

1945
01:37:07,133 --> 01:37:10,093
Speaker 2: semester and we were taught that the only way fraud

1946
01:37:10,133 --> 01:37:12,012
Speaker 2: has found out is if the person committing the fraud

1947
01:37:12,133 --> 01:37:15,213
Speaker 2: goes on leave and the person covering them discovers the fraud.

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01:37:15,853 --> 01:37:18,293
Speaker 2: This other person said, if people don't go on holiday,

1949
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Speaker 2: then you don't find you regard ripping off people. No, no,

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01:37:23,173 --> 01:37:26,173
Speaker 2: don't know where it's the one of somehow, this one's

1951
01:37:26,213 --> 01:37:29,093
Speaker 2: been delested. But the goal, the gist of it was,

1952
01:37:29,492 --> 01:37:31,772
Speaker 2: you may not just find fraud, but if they go

1953
01:37:31,853 --> 01:37:35,732
Speaker 2: on holiday, you can see inefficiencies come through as well.

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Speaker 2: So that person that's always been that the absolute martyr,

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01:37:38,973 --> 01:37:42,973
Speaker 2: never taking holidays, working late, they may not be the

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Speaker 2: hero that they pretend to be. They may be the villain.

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Speaker 3: That is incredibly tough, though, wasn't it, Because undoubtedly there

1958
01:37:48,412 --> 01:37:50,973
Speaker 3: are hard working people out there. They care about your

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01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:52,692
Speaker 3: company and they don't want to take a break because

1960
01:37:52,692 --> 01:37:54,213
Speaker 3: of that. But then obviously some of them are.

1961
01:37:54,572 --> 01:37:58,012
Speaker 2: Fraud if they haven't. If you look around the office,

1962
01:37:58,013 --> 01:38:00,293
Speaker 2: if someone hasn't taken a holiday in the last six months,

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Speaker 2: call the cops.

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Speaker 3: There has been a great discussion, very insightful and sobering

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Speaker 3: as well. But thank you very much to everyone who

1966
01:38:07,652 --> 01:38:09,612
Speaker 3: gave us a buzz. All right, coming up very shortly,

1967
01:38:09,692 --> 01:38:13,372
Speaker 3: Mark Vitti is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer, educator.

1968
01:38:13,532 --> 01:38:15,732
Speaker 3: He's been working with animals for over forty years. So

1969
01:38:15,893 --> 01:38:18,133
Speaker 3: if you've got a question for Mark now, as your

1970
01:38:18,133 --> 01:38:21,093
Speaker 3: opportunity is. It is a very very popular segment. Oh

1971
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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, got a problem with

1972
01:38:23,612 --> 01:38:26,093
Speaker 3: your pet? He is the man to chat too, and

1973
01:38:26,293 --> 01:38:29,452
Speaker 3: he is coming up next. It is twenty nine past

1974
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Speaker 3: two four.

1975
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Speaker 4: You talk said the headlines.

1976
01:38:35,853 --> 01:38:39,213
Speaker 14: With blue bubble taxis It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1977
01:38:39,572 --> 01:38:43,092
Speaker 14: The Reserve banks cut the ocr another twenty five basis

1978
01:38:43,173 --> 01:38:46,732
Speaker 14: points this afternoon to three point five percent, with most

1979
01:38:46,772 --> 01:38:50,333
Speaker 14: banks already lowering home loan rates. The Finance Minister says

1980
01:38:50,412 --> 01:38:53,492
Speaker 14: repayments on a five hundred thousand dollars market will have

1981
01:38:53,652 --> 01:38:58,573
Speaker 14: now dropped three hundred dollars a fortnight since August. Emergency

1982
01:38:58,652 --> 01:39:01,253
Speaker 14: services are responding to a fire in a second floor

1983
01:39:01,293 --> 01:39:05,333
Speaker 14: apartment on Karanga Haape Road in central Auckland. Cruise were

1984
01:39:05,372 --> 01:39:09,572
Speaker 14: called just after two A person in in a single

1985
01:39:09,732 --> 01:39:13,133
Speaker 14: car crash near Hamilton's Horsham Downs on March twenty eight,

1986
01:39:13,652 --> 01:39:16,492
Speaker 14: has died. Police want to hear from the driver of

1987
01:39:16,532 --> 01:39:20,852
Speaker 14: a maroon suv towing a boat on Banker Road about

1988
01:39:20,893 --> 01:39:24,612
Speaker 14: twenty past seven that night, Green z and P Benjamin

1989
01:39:24,652 --> 01:39:28,412
Speaker 14: Doyle is addressing media after staying away from Parliament because

1990
01:39:28,412 --> 01:39:32,652
Speaker 14: of threats received. It followed revelations of sexually suggestive language

1991
01:39:32,732 --> 01:39:36,412
Speaker 14: used in their private social media posts dating from before

1992
01:39:36,532 --> 01:39:37,133
Speaker 14: being an MP.

1993
01:39:38,372 --> 01:39:39,372
Speaker 3: Richard Preble on how.

1994
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Speaker 14: New Zealand's fiscal policies leave us exposed to trade shops.

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Speaker 2: You can read the full column at Enzaid Herald Premium.

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Speaker 14: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean and as part of our

1998
01:39:52,492 --> 01:39:55,532
Speaker 3: USS the Experts series, as we do every Wednesday, we

1999
01:39:55,652 --> 01:39:57,732
Speaker 3: are joined once again by Mark Vetti. He is a

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Speaker 3: world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer and educator who's been

2001
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Speaker 3: working with animals for over forty years. He's a trained

2002
01:40:03,213 --> 01:40:06,412
Speaker 3: animal psychologist and has created the Dogs in In online

2003
01:40:06,492 --> 01:40:10,132
Speaker 3: training program. Mark Vetti joins us once again. Mark good, afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Yeah and Tyler.

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Speaker 2: How bloody good. Let's start off with a simple one.

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01:40:16,452 --> 01:40:18,973
Speaker 2: My chocolate lab eats duck poo when we walk by

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01:40:19,013 --> 01:40:22,132
Speaker 2: a nearby the nearby lake. Is that okay, thanks Liz.

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Speaker 6: Actually funny enough.

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Speaker 25: But I mean there there is a few infections that

2010
01:40:27,652 --> 01:40:33,133
Speaker 25: birds obviously can transmit now, including salmonella. But but yeah,

2011
01:40:33,253 --> 01:40:35,852
Speaker 25: as a general rual dog with scavengers and and they've

2012
01:40:35,853 --> 01:40:39,732
Speaker 25: got a pretty discussed wrong, you know, digestive system, so

2013
01:40:40,053 --> 01:40:41,213
Speaker 25: it's probably not a big deal.

2014
01:40:41,372 --> 01:40:43,492
Speaker 6: But if you can teach them a leave it command,

2015
01:40:43,532 --> 01:40:43,893
Speaker 6: then do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My friend was working on a show and by

2017
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Speaker 2: a lake and got terrible salmonella just from duck poo,

2018
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Speaker 2: so it's not great for humans. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: he was eating it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was my next I should have been the

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01:40:57,973 --> 01:41:02,333
Speaker 3: first thing. Right now, if you get exactly if you've

2022
01:41:02,333 --> 01:41:04,852
Speaker 3: got a question for Marco eight hundred and eighty teen eighty,

2023
01:41:04,893 --> 01:41:07,253
Speaker 3: the lines are fall at the moment, but keep trying

2024
01:41:07,293 --> 01:41:09,412
Speaker 3: and hopefully you will get through prove.

2025
01:41:09,452 --> 01:41:10,532
Speaker 2: Have you got a question for Mark?

2026
01:41:11,732 --> 01:41:11,852
Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 26: Hi, Yes, I we've got a GSP. She's about two

2028
01:41:15,412 --> 01:41:19,812
Speaker 26: and a half and she just gets really growley, mainly

2029
01:41:20,293 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 26: with men at kind of unknown times, and she she

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01:41:26,612 --> 01:41:31,093
Speaker 26: hasn't she did jump at a guy yesterday, but she's

2031
01:41:31,372 --> 01:41:33,732
Speaker 26: she's never like Vitten anyone or anything. And I just

2032
01:41:33,973 --> 01:41:37,412
Speaker 26: my question kind of is, normally I'll really browl her

2033
01:41:37,732 --> 01:41:40,412
Speaker 26: and really really tell her off and remove her from

2034
01:41:40,452 --> 01:41:43,372
Speaker 26: the situation, like put her outside or something like that.

2035
01:41:43,652 --> 01:41:45,213
Speaker 26: Is that the best way to deal with it or

2036
01:41:45,333 --> 01:41:46,972
Speaker 26: is it something else?

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01:41:47,293 --> 01:41:50,492
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean it's certainly it's something that you you know,

2038
01:41:50,612 --> 01:41:52,812
Speaker 25: you reprimand when it happens, you know, tell her off.

2039
01:41:52,893 --> 01:41:55,173
Speaker 25: But really it's it's not something that's going to change

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01:41:55,253 --> 01:41:57,852
Speaker 25: just by doing that. So I teach a meat and

2041
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:01,892
Speaker 25: Greek technique with a clicker, and so what I'm doing

2042
01:42:02,093 --> 01:42:05,133
Speaker 25: is teach teaching nicely command and I teach them a

2043
01:42:05,253 --> 01:42:08,052
Speaker 25: touch target to someone's hands. So I do that first

2044
01:42:08,053 --> 01:42:10,372
Speaker 25: toward her, and I do it to family member. So

2045
01:42:10,412 --> 01:42:12,572
Speaker 25: I teach her to touch your nose to the hand

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01:42:12,652 --> 01:42:15,093
Speaker 25: of the person, and I click and reward her for

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Speaker 25: socializing and keep her on lead.

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Speaker 6: I normally have them on a nylon slip. Just go

2049
01:42:19,412 --> 01:42:23,293
Speaker 6: a bit more control, and I've got my clicking reward.

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Speaker 25: Because what you've got to do is reshape that behavior,

2051
01:42:26,213 --> 01:42:28,692
Speaker 25: because you know she's being protective in that situation.

2052
01:42:28,853 --> 01:42:31,812
Speaker 6: She's either resource guarding you or treating you you know

2053
01:42:32,173 --> 01:42:34,452
Speaker 6: in a territorial way. She might do it more at

2054
01:42:34,492 --> 01:42:35,852
Speaker 6: home and around the car.

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Speaker 25: So click on, you click on rewarding pro social behavior,

2056
01:42:40,612 --> 01:42:43,372
Speaker 25: and you're firm on and saying no and leave it

2057
01:42:43,532 --> 01:42:47,333
Speaker 25: if she shows any growling behavior. And with the click

2058
01:42:47,372 --> 01:42:48,972
Speaker 25: of what you do is you're keeping your own learning

2059
01:42:49,053 --> 01:42:52,412
Speaker 25: state and so it's the most effective tool to shape

2060
01:42:52,492 --> 01:42:55,053
Speaker 25: that behavior. You know, I've got that online if you

2061
01:42:55,173 --> 01:42:56,652
Speaker 25: need to have a look at how to do that.

2062
01:42:56,812 --> 01:42:59,932
Speaker 25: But it's important to make sure you take that care.

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Speaker 6: For me.

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Speaker 25: If you've got a human orienty aggression case, sometimes we'll

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Speaker 25: just give me a tingle and doing a virtual consolet

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Speaker 25: if you think.

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Speaker 6: There's risks attached and set these. Sometimes we'll use a muzzle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you go?

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Speaker 2: Do you go through? We've got penny here. You've got

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Speaker 2: a spitting el pecker.

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Speaker 27: I've got three old packers. They all come running up

2072
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Speaker 27: when they want their but one them is a boy.

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Speaker 27: He always keeps his ears back and he spits at me.

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Speaker 27: Doesn't necessarily the.

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Speaker 3: Others getting a naught.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that doesn't work well.

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Speaker 25: As you know with ol packers and lambers that that

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Speaker 25: is a threat to display, you know, when they're they're

2079
01:43:46,492 --> 01:43:49,013
Speaker 25: spinning at you. You know, that's turning you off from

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01:43:49,093 --> 01:43:51,293
Speaker 25: there in their language. What I normally do, and I

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01:43:51,372 --> 01:43:55,013
Speaker 25: do the same with horses and donkeys, is you heard

2082
01:43:55,053 --> 01:43:56,932
Speaker 25: me talk about clicker training with dogs. Well, I click

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Speaker 25: a training all of my animals, including olt packers and lambas,

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01:44:01,532 --> 01:44:04,053
Speaker 25: and and someone to teach them as I teach them

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01:44:04,133 --> 01:44:07,812
Speaker 25: to touch a ball on a stick, which is you know,

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01:44:07,812 --> 01:44:11,293
Speaker 25: I touched target. So the first thing I do with

2087
01:44:11,412 --> 01:44:14,492
Speaker 25: that our packer, keep him separate, work him independently. So

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01:44:14,732 --> 01:44:18,372
Speaker 25: just either put him, put him on his holder and

2089
01:44:18,732 --> 01:44:21,492
Speaker 25: time up, or put him in a small area and

2090
01:44:21,973 --> 01:44:23,812
Speaker 25: I teach him to touch that target with his nose

2091
01:44:23,853 --> 01:44:25,852
Speaker 25: and I click and reward him, and I reward him

2092
01:44:25,893 --> 01:44:28,772
Speaker 25: with whatever it is, sweet feet or whatever he particularly likes.

2093
01:44:29,213 --> 01:44:30,933
Speaker 25: So I have a little pouch made it with that

2094
01:44:31,053 --> 01:44:32,812
Speaker 25: in it, and as soon as he touched it, I

2095
01:44:32,893 --> 01:44:35,293
Speaker 25: click and then deliver a high value to reward to him.

2096
01:44:35,692 --> 01:44:38,293
Speaker 25: And once I've got him on the touch target and

2097
01:44:38,412 --> 01:44:40,572
Speaker 25: he's not looking to threaten you, you know, first of all,

2098
01:44:40,612 --> 01:44:43,812
Speaker 25: you've then got him looking to you for attention and

2099
01:44:43,933 --> 01:44:46,812
Speaker 25: for direction, and from there I can move him around

2100
01:44:46,893 --> 01:44:50,452
Speaker 25: with the touch target. But most importantly, engaging him will

2101
01:44:50,492 --> 01:44:53,732
Speaker 25: stop the threat display that he's doing. So, yeah, touch, target,

2102
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Speaker 25: click a training. That's the trick for that type of thing, Okay.

2103
01:44:57,893 --> 01:45:00,452
Speaker 2: And and if that doesn't work, just suck up a

2104
01:45:00,492 --> 01:45:02,652
Speaker 2: big loogie and spit.

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Speaker 6: On fire.

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01:45:05,133 --> 01:45:09,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for hundred eighty is the

2107
01:45:09,253 --> 01:45:10,972
Speaker 3: number to call if you've got a question for Mark?

2108
01:45:11,053 --> 01:45:11,213
Speaker 24: Now?

2109
01:45:11,412 --> 01:45:14,532
Speaker 3: Is your opportunity beg very shortly? It is twenty to.

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Speaker 1: Four the issues that affect you and a bit of

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Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talks be afternoon and we have Mark Vetti. He is

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Speaker 3: a world renowned animal behavior as dog trainer and educator.

2114
01:45:30,253 --> 01:45:33,012
Speaker 3: He joins us once again for our Us the Experts series. Mark,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much again for your time. My Bitter Pen,

2116
01:45:37,812 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 3: you're on with Mark.

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Speaker 28: Hi, Mark, we have a one year old?

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hi Pen?

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Speaker 6: Do you go for it?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

2121
01:45:47,772 --> 01:45:47,852
Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 28: We're got a one year old Stephie who's lovely, friendly,

2123
01:45:51,853 --> 01:45:54,372
Speaker 28: lovely with the cares and us. But the only person

2124
01:45:54,412 --> 01:45:57,212
Speaker 28: in the house I can walk her is my husband

2125
01:45:57,933 --> 01:46:01,173
Speaker 28: because she gets over excited when we come across other

2126
01:46:01,293 --> 01:46:04,333
Speaker 28: dogs and starts to she greets them heavily friendly, has

2127
01:46:04,372 --> 01:46:07,013
Speaker 28: to play, and then when it's time to go, she

2128
01:46:07,692 --> 01:46:10,812
Speaker 28: won't go jus at the league, fits and snarls and

2129
01:46:11,492 --> 01:46:13,732
Speaker 28: turns into a bit of a sheep devil. So my

2130
01:46:13,853 --> 01:46:16,213
Speaker 28: husband can handle her, but I'm kind of too scared to,

2131
01:46:16,893 --> 01:46:18,052
Speaker 28: you know, go near and snapping.

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01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:19,932
Speaker 15: George, you've got any advice for us?

2133
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Speaker 25: Yeah, So when you see she's snapping at you, she's

2134
01:46:23,893 --> 01:46:25,892
Speaker 25: not actually fighting or threatening the other dogs.

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01:46:25,973 --> 01:46:28,293
Speaker 6: It's that you just didn't want to leave the situation,

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01:46:28,492 --> 01:46:28,812
Speaker 6: is that it?

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01:46:29,732 --> 01:46:29,932
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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01:46:30,093 --> 01:46:34,812
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so important with it with it with

2139
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Speaker 25: your dog at a one year old, they're they're teenagers

2140
01:46:38,093 --> 01:46:41,452
Speaker 25: at that stage, and you know teenagehood goes from about

2141
01:46:41,492 --> 01:46:44,852
Speaker 25: five months to eighteen months, and so they're very much

2142
01:46:44,933 --> 01:46:46,133
Speaker 25: in a in.

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Speaker 6: An interactive phase with other dogs and people.

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01:46:48,853 --> 01:46:51,372
Speaker 25: If they're really social, good only for having them social

2145
01:46:51,452 --> 01:46:53,772
Speaker 25: to people and dogs it's the critical issue.

2146
01:46:54,213 --> 01:46:57,652
Speaker 6: And now it's just really that's really just a control issue.

2147
01:46:58,652 --> 01:47:01,812
Speaker 25: You'll see, you know, in my schools, I teach them

2148
01:47:02,492 --> 01:47:04,852
Speaker 25: you can clicker training and what it called contrast training,

2149
01:47:05,372 --> 01:47:09,412
Speaker 25: and so those are just all simple training.

2150
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Speaker 6: Jobs that that won't be difficult to solve. So get

2151
01:47:13,692 --> 01:47:15,732
Speaker 6: her on the clicker. I use said. The clicker is

2152
01:47:15,812 --> 01:47:16,293
Speaker 6: the past this.

2153
01:47:16,372 --> 01:47:19,492
Speaker 25: Way to retrain a dog because you're reshaping that behavior

2154
01:47:19,572 --> 01:47:23,652
Speaker 25: because she hasn't learned the right behavior, so it's quite easy.

2155
01:47:24,173 --> 01:47:25,732
Speaker 6: They're normally really good on the clicker.

2156
01:47:25,812 --> 01:47:29,852
Speaker 25: The Staffe's they are a very highly aroused dog. They

2157
01:47:29,933 --> 01:47:33,452
Speaker 25: have a trait called gaminess in the bull terriers, which

2158
01:47:33,532 --> 01:47:35,293
Speaker 25: means they're kind of a bit over the top when

2159
01:47:35,333 --> 01:47:39,372
Speaker 25: they are when they react. But particularly I want you

2160
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Speaker 25: to work on the joining up technique. If you get

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Speaker 25: into my work and have a look your sea. What

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Speaker 25: are called joining up? She needs to join up really

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Speaker 25: well with you in particular, and the kids, your husband

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Speaker 25: is not going to have so much trouble. Get her

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Speaker 25: on the clicker, and you want a good recall and

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Speaker 25: be able to walk her off away from other dogs,

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Speaker 25: which you practice in low arousal situations and then start

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Speaker 25: to generalize into a situation in the park where of

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Speaker 25: course everything's up a few notches in terms of hyper

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Speaker 25: arousal pain.

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Speaker 3: All the best in Steffy's Our Beautiful Dogs, Peter, how

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Speaker 3: are you hey?

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Speaker 24: Boys?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 24: Mark, you got a nine year old I got a

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Speaker 24: nine year old chop lab. She's got plates and pins

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Speaker 24: and both front legs from when she was one. So

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Speaker 24: the arthritis has come on a bit. We're used the

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Speaker 24: arter Rider's treatment, you know, the injection once a month's treatment. Yes,

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Speaker 24: but it doesn't seem to be much relieved. When when

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Speaker 24: do you think it's the right time to make that

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Speaker 24: harsh school.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a tough call, isn't it at that stage.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, a lab nine, she's still you know, and.

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Speaker 25: Theories should have plenty of plenty to go, you know,

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Speaker 25: in terms of normally their large expenses you know, up

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Speaker 25: around ten to twelve, you know, and older, and so

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Speaker 25: so you know, you're right, the arthritis will be due

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Speaker 25: to the surgical technique that have been had to be

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Speaker 25: applied early on.

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Speaker 6: Now they've got techniques that they can actually.

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Speaker 25: Remove arthritis as well through surgical techniques. And the first

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Speaker 25: thing I'd do though, is I would have an X

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Speaker 25: ray of the area that the arthritis is then and

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Speaker 25: determine the extent of the arthritis. And the VET really

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Speaker 25: is the one that will make that decision. That I

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Speaker 25: prefer personally to actually get a specialist opinion on something

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Speaker 25: like that. But anyway, your GP can do it and

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Speaker 25: once I've got a reading on the extent of it,

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Speaker 25: then I know number one that's the cause, and number

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Speaker 25: two is the VET will really advise you well normally

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Speaker 25: on when we're getting to that place we might need

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Speaker 25: to consider you for major but at this stage I

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Speaker 25: would suggest there's more to do with your VET to

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Speaker 25: resolve the issue.

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Speaker 6: And there's some pretty good drugs there now that can

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Speaker 6: take to the next level too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some pretty good drugs that can take

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Speaker 2: some level yep. Yeah, yeah, Matt knows that well, Sorry

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Speaker 2: about that. It's something Yeah, Peter, all the very best

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 4: Joe.

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Speaker 3: You're on with Mark.

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Speaker 27: Oh hey, Lad's Love Show listen every afternoon. Thank you, Hey,

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Speaker 27: thank you, Matt. I've got a little bit two dogs.

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Speaker 27: I introduced a new puppy probably about six months ago.

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Speaker 27: He's about seven eight months old now. He loves her,

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Speaker 27: absolutely loves her, adors there, but he chases her around

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Speaker 27: pretty much non stop and he won't live with tea

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Speaker 27: or two by himself literally all over the whole time.

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Speaker 5: What they're both.

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Speaker 6: Okay, she too crosses and and the pups hell.

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Speaker 25: Seven eight months now the months okay, So he's getting

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01:51:10,013 --> 01:51:14,333
Speaker 25: into the late puberty as he decet, and he's just

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01:51:14,452 --> 01:51:15,293
Speaker 25: quiteer excited.

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Speaker 6: He's not okay. I mean he's not bothering her though,

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01:51:20,732 --> 01:51:22,452
Speaker 6: is he mounting her or doing it?

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Speaker 15: Not really?

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Speaker 27: I mean you know she's fine with him. It's just

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Speaker 27: and like as I said, they play really well. It's

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Speaker 27: just now that he started propping his leg, he's actually

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Speaker 27: the freeing on her.

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Speaker 13: Great.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, you know i'd be thinking about desexing, you know,

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Speaker 25: particularly with at that age he's got.

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Speaker 6: He's completed with his development.

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Speaker 25: Now, you know, his physical development that you leave him

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Speaker 25: entire for if you want to do that, and I

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Speaker 25: tweak that back and get rid of those behaviors and

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Speaker 25: less unless you're breeding from him, and so that just

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Speaker 25: makes your life a lot easier, and he'd probably less

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01:51:57,532 --> 01:51:59,372
Speaker 25: interested in her and worrying her.

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Speaker 6: I use a moderation technique that that bounding all over

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01:52:03,253 --> 01:52:05,732
Speaker 6: and being too rup and tumble. I've got to use

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Speaker 6: a long line and a slip color.

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Speaker 25: And I'm just using a little check as if it's

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Speaker 25: coming from her, not from you. You're not saying anything.

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01:52:13,652 --> 01:52:15,852
Speaker 25: I'm just trying to wind it because she's obviously not

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01:52:16,013 --> 01:52:20,213
Speaker 25: got any defensive reaction to him. That's effective. So she's

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Speaker 25: being ineffective, so he's getting worse. And so you need

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Speaker 25: to What I try and do is in partner a

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Speaker 25: sense that that she has got a little bit of

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01:52:28,372 --> 01:52:30,412
Speaker 25: I can tell you off cut that out, you know,

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01:52:30,612 --> 01:52:32,652
Speaker 25: And so I'm just using a check not saying anything.

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Speaker 25: It's coming from her. And so you can always check

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Speaker 25: on my schools to learn how to do that technique.

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Speaker 25: It's called moderation. And I use a moderating technique take

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01:52:42,173 --> 01:52:43,492
Speaker 25: to take you about a couple of weeks to get

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01:52:43,532 --> 01:52:45,932
Speaker 25: it sorted. But it's well we're doing when you've got

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Speaker 25: one that's really bothering the other.

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Speaker 2: Dog, there's no need for that.

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Speaker 3: Peeing on you, that's bully behavior is no fun exactly.

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Speaker 25: It's not unusual that in times will do that, you know,

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01:52:57,612 --> 01:53:00,013
Speaker 25: not regular but and it's a bit of a it's

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Speaker 25: a bothersome.

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Speaker 4: Baby that.

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Speaker 2: No one wants to be paid on.

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Speaker 3: Well, wet Mark, You've been great as always, Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. And if people want to find out more,

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Speaker 3: where can they go?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, Dogzen dot com or jump onto our Facebook page

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01:53:19,372 --> 01:53:23,372
Speaker 25: and we've got Facebook live on Monday nights and yeah,

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01:53:23,452 --> 01:53:25,213
Speaker 25: come come visit us and we'll give you a hand.

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Speaker 6: Virtual schools are available to.

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Speaker 3: You too, brilliant. We will catch up again in about

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01:53:29,372 --> 01:53:32,852
Speaker 3: a month's time. Yeah, the Ford seeing you go, Mark,

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Speaker 3: thank you that as Mark vet it is nine minutes

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Speaker 3: too for.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used Dogs EDB on

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Speaker 4: News Dogs EDB six to four.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, it's been a fantastic show. We've

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Speaker 2: got so many calls on manufacturing in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: embezzlement from workplaces and then doggies and lamas and such

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01:54:01,053 --> 01:54:02,933
Speaker 2: that we never got round to the key subject that

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Speaker 2: I really wanted to get stuck into. It's lip fuller yep,

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Speaker 2: lip fuller accidents and boats misshaps. We were going to

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Speaker 2: do a sweet half hour on that. So hopefully not

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Speaker 2: too much news happens overnight, so we can.

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Speaker 3: We want to bring it back tomorrow if we can,

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01:54:18,412 --> 01:54:20,452
Speaker 3: because we had so many ticks about the lip fillers

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Speaker 3: and the boatox as well.

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01:54:21,812 --> 01:54:25,732
Speaker 2: Really really really wanted to talk about botox gone wrong.

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01:54:26,093 --> 01:54:28,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we wanted to chat about fellers and botoxes.

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01:54:28,692 --> 01:54:31,333
Speaker 3: A botox do guys tend to go for a bit

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Speaker 3: of botox. Is that a thing you've been toxed?

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Speaker 13: Have you got?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say no to it, just to know what

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Speaker 3: the fuss is about.

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Speaker 2: If you've had lip filly, you must have had the

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Speaker 2: Finnish lips off anyone. Ever, they didn't do a good

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01:54:42,333 --> 01:54:45,373
Speaker 2: job anyway. After three hours of talkback, I have some takeaways.

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Speaker 2: If someone at your work isn't taking holidays, they're probably

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Speaker 2: stealing from you. We've learned that. And if a lama

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Speaker 2: spits it, you spit back. See you tomorrow for another

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01:54:54,253 --> 01:54:56,333
Speaker 2: edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons. If you missed anything

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Speaker 2: on the show, The Mat and Tyler podcasts will be

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Speaker 2: out about half past four until we see you again

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Speaker 2: and give them a taste. Keepy from us all right tomorrow, Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, listen.

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Speaker 11: Again, not again, again, again.

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Speaker 19: Again again, I've never gone a contexts again, select them

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Speaker 19: music plays.

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Speaker 14: It will be.

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Speaker 4: For more from News Talk st B.

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