1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Jason Will's political editors with US Now, Hi. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 2: Jason, good afternoon. 3 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: That was a fizzle, wasn't it. 4 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it was. I was surprising, but 5 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: it was still like interestingly interesting enough for it to 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: be not a Fizzit in my book a fizzer, and 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: in the sense that we didn't have an agreement, but 8 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: what we did have was just confusion out of everywhere 9 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: in the house and it kind of came out of 10 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: nowhere when Chris Bishop said this. 11 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: Horrible Chris Bishop, I moved that this debate be now 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: a June two Thursday, five June twenty twenty five. 13 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: So we were taking a bit back by this because 14 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: we've been talking to national MPs and ministers all day 15 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: right on Tuesday. We have ample opportunity to talk to 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: all of them, and this has been the talk of 17 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: the town. Not one of them even hinted that this 18 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: would be the move. And you can actually hear the 19 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: shock in the background from the likes of Chris Hopkins 20 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: and other members of the opposition, And it was remarkable 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: to watch because there was no public gallery. The press 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: gallery was the fullest I've seen it since probably John 23 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: Keyes Valedictory and we all kind of looked around and thought, 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: what is going on here? Even the Speaker was caught 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: a bit off God. 26 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: But I will seek some degree of speciivity about the 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: reason for the adjournment. 28 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 3: The motion, mister Speaker. The government has come to the 29 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: view that given the centrality of the budget process to Parliament, 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: it would be appropriate for the party mary members who 31 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: may or may not be suspended following the conclusion of 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: the consideration of the substantive motion, to participate in the budget. 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: So now we have to wait until June fifth, and 34 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: that's after the budget, of course. And you know what 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: I mean. Looking at this objectively, right, it does make sense, 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: like I agree with what's happened. The budget is extremely important. 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: It makes sense that the government is using its time 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: this week to talk about that. But it was still 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: really came out of nowhere. 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Did Chris Hopkins and the Labor Party vote against the adjournment? 41 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: They did? And I was just speaking to Chris Hopkins, 42 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: he was in the Gallery office not too long ago 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: about this issue, and essentially he was saying, well, it 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: was such a like it was a circus, I think 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: was the word that he used in terms of nobody 46 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: knew what was going on. But here's what he told 47 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: reporters after this whole thing went down in the house. 48 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 4: Moving these allegations against the Marti Party, and they're not 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: even allowing them the opportunity to speak or defend themselves, 50 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: doing that without warning. Had they approached us this morning 51 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 4: and said, look, we wanted to furthest debate, we want 52 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 4: to put it off till later on, we would have 53 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: been open to having that conversation. We've been trying to 54 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: talk to them for the last forty eight hours. They 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 4: haven't even bothered to return phone calls, and then they 56 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: do this. They just look like they're out of their depth. 57 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: I don't know what they're doing. 58 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: So if they've gone to the opposition beforehand and talked 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: them through with this, then no doubtther they would have 60 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: supported it, because if you look at it objectively, it 61 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: would make sense for the opposition to vote for this 62 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: because this is essentially what many of them have been 63 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: arguing this whole. 64 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Time exactly, which is why I'm asking. So he gets up, 65 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: This is Chris Hopkins gets up and says, we don't 66 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: want them to be punished like this because we think 67 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: they need to par dissipate in the budget. Chris Hopkins, 68 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: Chris Chris Bishop gets up and goes, okay, let's defer 69 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: it so they can participate in the budget. And then 70 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Chris Hopkins goes, no, we don't support that. I mean, like, 71 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: what is your position? Well, it seems to me he's 72 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: just being contrary and opposing anything that the government wants 73 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: to do. 74 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: It has been incredibly confusing to kind of pin down 75 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: their position, but it seems to be just because of 76 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: the confusion, and they frankly not really know what was 77 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: actually going on. I mean, it was even the speaker 78 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: you heard before was having a little bit. It appeared 79 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: to be the speaker was how did we love of trouble? 80 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: How did nobody and I include myself, and how did 81 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: none of us think that this was probably this is, 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: in retrospect, such an obvious thing for the government to do. 83 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: Oh no, we did. We were asking them as early 84 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: as this morning if this is something that they were 85 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: going to do, and there was just so noncommittal in 86 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: terms of their answers to these questions that we have 87 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: that we just didn't even concede that this would be 88 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: an issue. Like we were asking these questions because we thought, 89 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: hang on a second, why don't you just defer the debate? 90 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: And so I don't know what happened in their caucus 91 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: meeting this morning. We know that Labor softened its position Lee, 92 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: but Chris Hopkins was saying that they were going to 93 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: move a motion for the suspension to be one to 94 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: three days, and then in the House Chris Hopkins was 95 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: talking about it being for twenty four hours. So a 96 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: lot to be a fly on the wall of any 97 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: caucus room this morning. 98 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I expect that the Maori Party 99 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: the most bummed out, but you know, of everybody in 100 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: Parliament because they had the old protest out the front 101 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: and everything going on. Have you heard from them? 102 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: We have, Indeed, this was Debbie who was speaking just 103 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: a few moments ago. 104 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: We never knew what games they were going to play, 105 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: but you know you're a threat when they start playing 106 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: like super chess. 107 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: And I don't know how. 108 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: Many from here are from the Okuda, but in Taranaki 109 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: we take pride and our civil disobedience. 110 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: So they're a little confused as well because they didn't 111 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: see this coming and so he waited. 112 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 3: He what we saw today makes me feel like I'm. 113 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: On remand so essentially just sort of waiting for the punishment. 114 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, and how's Brownlee feeling? 115 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: Ah, listen, I'm not sure how Joe Brownlee is feeling. 116 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: I think that he's probably you know, what. 117 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Did his face say at that very minute? Because unfortunately, 118 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: as I faced up earlier, I was on the phone 119 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: when this happened. You'll and at all tell me what 120 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: happened to his face? 121 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: Will we sit directly above Jerry Browne and we were 122 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: looking at the faces of the MP I should have 123 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: turned around and looked at the TV. But yeah, no, 124 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure he was maybe maybe as confused as all 125 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: of us. I'd love to know if he was in 126 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: on this, because it certainly seemed like maybe he wasn't 127 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: based on the question yeah. 128 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: I was saying, judging by that, the tripping over the 129 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: words and everything. 130 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: No, not in on it at all. 131 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: Jason, Thanks very much. Jason Wall's News Talks. He'd be 132 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: political editor. 133 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive Listen live to 134 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: news Talks. 135 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: He'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 136 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio.