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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: Mark Vidi is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer,

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Speaker 3: and educator who has been working with animals for over

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Speaker 3: forty years. He's a trained animal psychologist and created the

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Speaker 3: Dogs In online training program. He's about to launch cats

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Speaker 3: In and he joins us once a month for our

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Speaker 3: Asked the Experts series.

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Speaker 4: We're just going to get him back online. He's just

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Speaker 4: dropped off.

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Speaker 3: But if you've got a question for Mark, oh, eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: He is an expert on everything, not just cats and dogs.

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Speaker 3: We had lamas last time he was on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, call about an EMU, one about a stoat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I've got an interesting question for him when we

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Speaker 5: get on. Well, not really, but I had this this morning.

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Speaker 5: I discovered that my dogs basically a musical instrument. So

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Speaker 5: he was lying in his bed and I put my

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Speaker 5: foot on him and when I put a little bit

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Speaker 5: of pressure, he'd make a.

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Speaker 6: Noise so I could play like a bellows. So Colin was.

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Speaker 3: Going, m.

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Speaker 4: How long did you do that for?

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Speaker 7: Ages.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like ages until till my partner told me to stop.

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Speaker 4: Did he have other notes as you moved up the ebdment.

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Speaker 6: No, he was just seriously, it was it was I

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Speaker 6: could take it on the road. Actually people would pay.

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Speaker 3: It's like their barking dog down in Queenstown. You could

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Speaker 3: be right next to the right. So we're just about

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Speaker 3: to get Mark VIDI on that O. One hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the numbers.

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Speaker 6: Called should we should we talk to Carol and get her.

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Speaker 5: We'll get get get your pripped, get your prepped for

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Speaker 5: Mark when we get him back on get Carol.

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Speaker 4: What sort of pit do you have?

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Speaker 8: Well, I've got two small dogs. One's a pure bread

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Speaker 8: kind of short head sorry short legs wire head Russell,

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Speaker 8: and the other one's a rescue but the kind of

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Speaker 8: jack Russell met Yeah, and my partner has a large

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Speaker 8: kind of hunting gun dog. And when we first got

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Speaker 8: the dogs together, it was o t you know, they

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Speaker 8: were a little bit wary, but it was okay, and

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Speaker 8: then it seemed to be all right, and then all

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Speaker 8: of a sudden one day it all went very wrong

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Speaker 8: and one of my little dogs kind of nipped at

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Speaker 8: the big one, and since then we just have not

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Speaker 8: been able to get them back together at all. And

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Speaker 8: I'm just terrified that one of my little dogs who

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Speaker 8: is going to get right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what breeds other dogs?

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Speaker 8: So my two are. One of them's a short legged

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Speaker 8: wire head Russell and she's five. And then I've got

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Speaker 8: a kind of Jack Russell mixed who's a rescue. He's seven.

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Speaker 8: He's the one that kind of nipped at the bigger

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Speaker 8: bigger dog, my partner's dog, is like a gun dog.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, And and is he a male? Is any

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Speaker 7: of the dogs in fire?

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Speaker 8: The two, the bigger dog and the one that nipped

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Speaker 8: on males and the little jack Russell's are female.

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Speaker 7: Right, So it's going to be the males that are

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Speaker 7: more likely going to have the issue, And that's probably

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Speaker 7: what's happening. It sounds like the jack Russell's being a

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Speaker 7: bit of a Jack Russell and you know, just a

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Speaker 7: little bit dominant and being entire. The two males being

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Speaker 7: entire will make it the problem more complicated.

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Speaker 8: Entire, Sorry, they're not entire.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so they're both these sects, Okay, Well, that that helps. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: So I mean basically, what we're really wanting to do

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Speaker 7: gaminess within the terriers. And so one of the important

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Speaker 7: a doggy handshake. And so dogs meet in different ways

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Speaker 7: for social responses. So each time, particularly when they come together,

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Speaker 2: Resources that they're guarding. So do meet and greet technique.

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Speaker 7: You can always check out the technique for meet and

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Speaker 7: greet and it's in the book and then the online

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Speaker 7: videos if you want to follow it that way. But

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Speaker 7: basically what you're doing is you're getting getting to smell

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Speaker 7: the pheromones of the other dog, and the dogs have

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Speaker 7: a peasing pheromone in their calming pheromones, and so if

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Speaker 7: head to head and it's a much more dominant interaction.

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Speaker 7: So always try and start with a sniff from each end,

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Speaker 7: to let the other one sniff first. Then do that

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Speaker 7: because they're adrenaline high, they're more likely to fight in

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Speaker 7: that situation. But doing regular meat and greets like that,

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Speaker 7: so they get to know each other and get on better.

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Speaker 7: I'd also be doing some one call clip station work

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Speaker 7: where I teach them to clip down on a mat

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Speaker 7: together and click and reward them for meeting each other regularly.

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Speaker 7: So you're clicking one and feeding and clicking the other

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Speaker 7: and feeding as long as they're staying together and being

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Speaker 7: social and friendly. So you're going to build that social

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Speaker 7: relationship between those two two males, and particularly with the

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Speaker 7: Jack Russell, who has just said is clearly being a

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Speaker 7: little bit terrier like, so he's the focus clickers training

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Speaker 6: Think if you call Carol Tyler, are you entire?

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Speaker 4: I am absolutely entire. Yeah, do you want to see that? Yeah? Sorry,

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Speaker 4: Mark to bring you into that.

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Speaker 2: Good to know you know where to slits now exactly.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon. We've got Mark Vizi with us.

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Speaker 3: He is a world renowned animal behaviorist and an expert

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Speaker 3: when it comes to animals. He's been working with them

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Speaker 3: for over forty years and he is here to answer

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Speaker 3: any burning questions you've got about your beloved pets. So, Susan,

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Speaker 3: you've got a dog that we's inside.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so he's about ten years old and it's been

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Speaker 9: going on for a long time, and it's always in

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Speaker 7: Right and was he has he has he had a

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Speaker 7: or is he's been going on since.

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Speaker 9: He's normally he's normally so, uh, interesting story. So we

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Speaker 9: had him for a year and then he disappeared for

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Speaker 9: two years and he was microchips and the pound and

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Speaker 9: where he wrung us up and said we've got your

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Speaker 9: dog and we said we haven't got a dog and

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Speaker 9: they said, we're found sub So he disappeared for two

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Speaker 9: years and he came back and it's hard to know,

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Speaker 9: you know, whether he was traumatized or not. And we

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Speaker 9: certainly don't know where we went, even though I have

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Speaker 9: asked him, and so it's yeah, we just where okay.

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Speaker 7: And it just started after that said.

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Speaker 9: It, yeah, pretty much, I think it. Did you know

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Speaker 9: that was quite a while ago. That was like, you know,

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Speaker 9: like seven years ago.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, is he is he entire?

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Speaker 2: Is he being de sex?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 4: There was a years of you a s netmark.

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Speaker 2: Is okay, he's been decex. Do you remember what aids

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Speaker 2: you was DCEX there.

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Speaker 9: Probably in his first year.

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Speaker 7: Okay, quite early, so is that now all right? So

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Speaker 7: normally the most common is he lifting his leg on

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Speaker 8: And I lift this leg?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So I suspect he just started doing that

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Speaker 7: when he was entire. That's what we call maturation or

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Speaker 7: leg raising and marking. And it's typical that they'll find

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Speaker 7: scent posts, you know, And that's what he's done here

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Speaker 7: in the bedroom. It's established the scent post there. So

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Speaker 7: what I want, first of all, generally I keep doors

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Speaker 2: It tends to me in back rooms or.

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Speaker 7: Downstairs in areas like that.

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Speaker 2: Where that he does.

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Speaker 7: At first the person thing clean that site with one

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Speaker 7: squid him from it. But if you're finding that, if

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Speaker 7: you can't do that, then what I do is a

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Speaker 7: different technique. Is I clip station them. So I teach

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Speaker 7: established that the sleeping site for a little while, just

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Speaker 7: that'll decrease the chance of the marking in that area.

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Speaker 7: So I'd use those two techniques. He's an older dog,

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Speaker 7: as they get older, so that's probably what you're seeing

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Speaker 7: make it worse, obviously, So try that technique and the

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Speaker 2: And if it's more complicated.

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Speaker 7: You can always give me a call and I'll do

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Speaker 7: a phone consert whether you and I can take more detail.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes I need more detail than that to be able

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Speaker 7: to really find tune a therapy plan.

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Speaker 4: Yep, very good, All the best, Susan A.

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Speaker 7: Mike.

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Speaker 6: I've got a text here.

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Speaker 5: My cat, who's still young less than a year, always

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Speaker 5: takes a crap in the bath little box and both

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Speaker 5: three young kids. Cat will be rehomed if we can't

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Speaker 5: sort this situation out. I'm not sure if the three

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Speaker 5: kids are going in the bath as well, or not going.

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Speaker 2: To send the kids.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so it's not uncommon first of all that cats

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Speaker 7: who go in baths of sinks. Surprisingly enough, you can't

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Speaker 7: who won't go into that today.

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Speaker 2: So what we need to re establish is.

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Speaker 7: First of all, is I normally move the little box

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Speaker 7: Sure, you keep that little box clean, though diet cats

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Speaker 3: That is great, good luck, do you Texter? Well get

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Speaker 3: Ross then before the break, Ross, we've got about two minutes.

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Speaker 4: But you're on with Mark right than we've got.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I teach you know, it will go back

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Speaker 2: You need to check it out. Jump on my website

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Speaker 7: Videos on how to do that, and that'll that's the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just jump on to markdogs in dot com and

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Speaker 7: it's got a video videos on meet and greet people.

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Speaker 3: All the best ross text to here. Mark says, hi,

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Speaker 3: we have adopted an ex bomb to take dog. He

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Speaker 7: The dog dog meet and greet is different, and so

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Speaker 7: to meet and greet dogs in the appropriate fashion. Again,

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Speaker 2: So you can again, you can learn that both video

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Speaker 2: very good. They'll make contact with us and we'll show

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Speaker 3: Brilliant, Mark, we're out of time. Once again, we could

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Speaker 3: do this for our the whole show. But thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for your time again and we'll catch you

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Speaker 3: again in a few weeks.

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Speaker 7: My pleasent ready talk talking next to next time, Yep,

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Speaker 7: we'll talk there.

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Speaker 3: And that is Mark vid world renowned animal behaviorist. If

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Speaker 3: you want to find out more, you can go to

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Speaker 3: his website. It is mark Viti dot com and he

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Speaker 3: is the creator of dogs in as well, and he's

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