1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. The second of August, it's seven 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: after five eight of the Royal Commission recommendations from the 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: inquiry into the crist of Jamask attacks are being dropped. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: The government is adopting thirty six of the forty four recommendations, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: but it will not be amending hate speech laws or 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: establishing new security and intelligence agencies. It's been announced today 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: that after more than five years, the Coordinated Response is 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: now ending, and Judith Collins is the League Coordination Minister 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: and joins me. Now, good evening, Judith, Hi Andrew. It's 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: the end of a very long and sad process, isn't it. 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: It certainly is, and sticularly for the families and every 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: one who suffered through it, but also for the first responders. 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: It's been a really hard process over a long time. 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: And are we a better country for it? 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: I think we are. Actually, I think we're more alive 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: to the possibilities of terrorism. I think we're also significantly 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: a country that looks at other keywis and say, well, 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: we need to treat everyone with decency. 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: There are eight recommendations so that we're not doing. No 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: amendments to legislation on hate speech will be made and 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: that is under the coalition agreement between National Party and 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: New Zealand. First, so is hate speech off the table 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: because it's just too hard. 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: No, it's not just because it's just too hard. What 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: is it is an unnecessary breach of people's rights to 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: free speech. We know that we can see it in 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: other countries, and I don't need to go through all 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: the examples where it can be used to shut down 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: genuine debate. But also I think what we need to 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: always remember is that we already have certain restrictions such 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: as incitement to violence and restrictions like that. So obviously 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: we believe it's very important to have a free speech 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 2: ever possible, and the only real restrictions should be around 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: inciting violence and breach the Human Rights Act. 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Okay, good, As some people say, the term hate speech 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: is debatable, you know, and when we hear people say 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: we need to kill all these people, well, you know 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: that's hate speech. But we needed to find that and 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: use free speech to then crack down it, don't we. 40 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: Well, so I think if somebody says that there is 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: you know, you need to go around killing people, that's 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: incite the devance that's already becomes under the New Zealand law. 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: But if you say I don't like these people because 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: they're different, well that might simply show that the person 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: making that statement is a fall That doesn't necessarily mean 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: that they should be arrested and go through the courts. 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: Okay, well, Chris Hipkins says, calling it quits before implementing 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: all the recommendations, while at the same time hinting at 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: liberalization of the law around semi automatics is out of touch. 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: What would you say to him? 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: Look, I'm pretty disappointed and Chris Hipkins, he is the 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: Prime Minister for about nine months last year. He could 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: have brought these recommendations through instead, the ones that we 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: have dealt with are the ones that the previous government 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: of which he was the Prime minister and before that 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: senior minister also did not make decisions on. But we've 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: made decisions to say, actually, after five years, five and 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: the quarter years, the people involved, the families involved, they 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: have a right to know what the answer is. And 60 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: these are recommendations. The Royal Commission has done an excellent job, 61 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: but they are not the government. It's the government's job 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: to make these decisions. Chris Atkins dident. I'd say, don't 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: politicize things, Chris, don't do that. We didn't and I 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: expect you not to do it either. 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: Judith Collins, I thank you for your time today. Judith 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: is the League Coordination Minister on the recommendations made by 67 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: the Royal Commission of Inquiry. For more from Hither Duplessy 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: Allen Drive, listen live to news talks they'd be from 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on I Hard Radio.