1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Now police are going to start the roadside checks to 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: find drug drivers from December. We've finally got a date. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: They're going to be using the saliva tests to check 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: for four drugs cannabis, meth, MDMA and ecstasy. Anyone who 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: tests positive will be retested and if the result is 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: confirmed then they will be suspended for driving or from 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: driving rather for twelve hours. And Chris Bishop is the 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Transport minister responsible for this. Hey bish, hello, Okay, how 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: do you know if someone's impaired with name a drug cannabis. 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Well, there'll be a test obviously, and it's a saliva 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: test and you do it at the roadside, and you 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: do it twice, and if you test positive twice, you are. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: A simple What does a positive test necessarily mean that 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: you're impaired? You know, because with alcohol you can test 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: positive for alcohol, but you're only impaired at a certain level. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: Is it going to have this much nuance in it? 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: Well, the point is that we don't want people driving 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: after having done pot. That's the whole point. We don't 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: want people doing cocaine, don't want people doing meth then 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: driving that there's no safe limit at which you can 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: do those drugs and drive. You know, around thirty percent 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: of all road deaths on our road every year involving 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: and pairing drug So if you're taking drugs and you're driving, 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: you are putting lives at risk in the same way 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: that if you you know, you, you know, have four 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: or five beers and then go for a drive, you're 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: also putting these on. 28 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you have one beer, you're not putting 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: people's lives at risk. Right, So does a teaest I mean, 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I guess time would be the most important thing here, 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: can it? Can it tell that you've like how how 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: recently would you have had to smoke pot for it 33 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: to pick that pick up like you'd smoke pot. 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm not I'm not a pot user. 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: The Minister won't surprise you to learn that. I think 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: I think it picks it up. I think it picks 37 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: up recent usage, so like you know, a week, a 38 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: week or so ago. No, but if you if you've 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: smoked up the night before and you go on the 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: road in the morning, then it will pick it up. Right. 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: So if you've got somebody who who I don't know, 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: goes home from work, has a rage on a Friday night, 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: has to get up for work on a Saturday morning. 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: They may in fact still be impaired according to the test. 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: Well possibly, but the point. The point is this right 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: to send a really clear message to the public that 47 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: you can't do drugs and drive and at the moment 48 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: there is no way of checking at all. 49 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: You don't need to convince me of this. I'm one 50 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent on board. I'm just trying to understand the logistics. 51 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: So then what happens then obviously you go to a 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: secondary test once it's gone yep, there's a positive. Then 53 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: you get a blood test or something. 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: So that a sample is taken and sent off to 55 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: the lab for a proper laboratory test. And we've designed 56 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: this with ESR or what's now hoopt your science, but 57 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: previously PERCENTESR to develop it because we've had parliaments had 58 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: two goes at this before. Right, this is like the 59 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: third time round where we sort of screwed it up. 60 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: The last government stuffed it up. So we have designed 61 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: it with scientists in mind. We've looked at what they 62 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: do in Australia and the standard on oral fluid testing, 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: so it's I think good to go and then the 64 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: full the full test and the lab you know, it 65 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: gives you the full monty of exactly what what you've 66 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: taken and actually actually tests for more drugs, test for 67 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: sixty five drugs before that are potentially so if. 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: You stop, they're going they're going to run the whole 69 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: lot of them on you if you test positive for 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: the week. 71 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's twenty there's twenty five whose names I do 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: not understand. There's a whole lot of Oza, lambs and 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: zza pems and knocks of those of beams names. 74 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: You they'd like sleeping drugs, don't a whole lot. 75 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: There's a whole lot of different ones. Well you know 76 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: more than I. I don't know. You might know more 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: than that. I read a lot. 78 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: I read a lot. No, But seriously, what happens then 79 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: if like, at what point do you discuite? Do you 80 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: stand a driver down for twelve for twelve hours? Is 81 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: it when they test positive at the mouth swap or 82 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: when it comes back from the lab, So you get. 83 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: You get you get disqualified from driving for twelve months 84 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: after the second positive test at the roadside, and then 85 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: if there's a positive test through the left test, you 86 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: get an infringement, notice, which happens later. But the point 87 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: is if you test positive twice at the roadside, you 88 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: want to get people off the road, right But. 89 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Hang on, did you say twelve months or twelve hours? 90 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: Twelve hours? Sorry? Sorry? 91 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Twelve okay? So if you bangang two tests at the roadside, 92 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: you've definitely smoked some pot recently. Twelve hours stand down, 93 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: and then after that you could be in more trouble 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: if we see other stuff in your blood. Correct, brilliant, 95 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: this is fantastic. Why do you manage to do it? 96 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: And Julian jin To couldn't do it? 97 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: Well, I want well, I know, I don't want to 98 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: be too mean, but I mean, look, I mean in 99 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: Finnis to them it is a finished the last guys, 100 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: it is. It is complicated, and you know you're dealing 101 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: with science and the law and all this sort of stuff, 102 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: and but you know the reality is we've got to 103 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: do it. You know, you just around you know that 104 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: I've seen a road dese involved in imperian drug. You know, 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: I think most of Zealanders would say, you know, you 106 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: need to do it. And the reality is this, right, 107 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: when we did breath testing for alcohol, it was quite 108 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: controversial when it first came in. You know, people said, oh, 109 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: this is terrible, a little never work. And actually it's 110 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: sort of hard to image New Zealand without breath testing 111 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: for alcohol, right, Yeah, you know, most people kind of 112 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: accept it, and I think, you know, in five years time, 113 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: we'll look back and say, yeah, it wasn't it crazy 114 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: You could drive on the roads after having smoked. 115 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: I think it's crazy now. I've been thinking it's crazy 116 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: for years. Listen, Kat wants to know about people with prescriptions. 117 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: So if you've got like because it sounded like it 118 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: sounded like one of the drugs that you might have 119 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: been attempting to pronounce before may have just been a 120 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: stock standed like you know, sleeping pill drug. If you 121 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: have a prescription for it and allowed to take it, 122 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: what happens then. 123 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: So it doesn't get picked up in the saliva test 124 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: at the roadside because it just tests for THHC, meth, MDMR, 125 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: and cocaine, it might get picked up on told through 126 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: the through the secondary test. Yeah, this is the laboratory 127 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: test because it tests for more. But anyone who has 128 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: a positive lab test for a prescription medication has a defense. 129 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: So like it's some likely, but anyone who's doing that 130 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: and it gets picked up has a defense. 131 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, thank you, Besh, I appreciate it and well 132 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: done getting this done. That's Chris Bishop, the Transport Minister. 133 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to 134 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 135 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio