1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks'd be follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,653 --> 00:00:20,333 Speaker 2: Former politician Grant Robertson now Vice chancellor at the University 4 00:00:20,413 --> 00:00:24,093 Speaker 2: of Otago. He's just released his new memoir Anything Could Happen. 5 00:00:24,493 --> 00:00:25,893 Speaker 2: So he's saw in a few interviews in a bit 6 00:00:25,893 --> 00:00:28,092 Speaker 2: of press around that the release of that book, and 7 00:00:28,093 --> 00:00:30,493 Speaker 2: there was one line that we spotted in one of 8 00:00:30,533 --> 00:00:33,092 Speaker 2: those interviews that struck us. So the line is everybody 9 00:00:33,133 --> 00:00:35,732 Speaker 2: I see looks better when they stop in politics then 10 00:00:36,213 --> 00:00:38,533 Speaker 2: when they did when they were in it, which is 11 00:00:38,533 --> 00:00:41,373 Speaker 2: the hell of a line. But Grant Robinson joins us 12 00:00:41,492 --> 00:00:44,092 Speaker 2: on the show right now, Grant, good afternoon to you. 13 00:00:45,132 --> 00:00:48,132 Speaker 3: Oh how quickly did you start looking better in the 14 00:00:48,132 --> 00:00:51,533 Speaker 3: mirror after you left the politics? Yeah? 15 00:00:51,613 --> 00:00:56,333 Speaker 4: Pretty damn quickly. Somebody told me that I looked younger, 16 00:00:56,333 --> 00:00:58,213 Speaker 4: which you always liked to hear, don't you when you're 17 00:00:58,373 --> 00:01:01,892 Speaker 4: at your fifties. But yeah, no, no, I felt mentally 18 00:01:01,933 --> 00:01:04,413 Speaker 4: and physically better. Did each take a little while. To 19 00:01:04,413 --> 00:01:06,813 Speaker 4: be honest. In the book, I talk about going to 20 00:01:06,813 --> 00:01:09,413 Speaker 4: see a counselor in the last period of time when 21 00:01:09,413 --> 00:01:11,773 Speaker 4: I was in politics, And remember she said to me 22 00:01:11,893 --> 00:01:14,053 Speaker 4: she dealt with quite a few high profile people, and 23 00:01:14,093 --> 00:01:17,333 Speaker 4: she said, for every year that you're in a high 24 00:01:17,333 --> 00:01:20,133 Speaker 4: profile role, you need at least a month. So I 25 00:01:20,173 --> 00:01:24,093 Speaker 4: reckon probably after about now, which is about fifteen months, 26 00:01:24,292 --> 00:01:26,812 Speaker 4: I'm looking the best I ever have, guys, So. 27 00:01:26,773 --> 00:01:29,133 Speaker 3: She doesn't have it for everyone. Like Barack Obama aged 28 00:01:29,292 --> 00:01:32,053 Speaker 3: about twenty years a year and then he hasn't really 29 00:01:32,053 --> 00:01:32,572 Speaker 3: gone back. 30 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:35,533 Speaker 4: What is two words for you? The matt here and 31 00:01:35,572 --> 00:01:37,333 Speaker 4: to die? 32 00:01:38,212 --> 00:01:43,932 Speaker 3: I thought, So, what's the you know what bit of 33 00:01:44,133 --> 00:01:46,853 Speaker 3: parliament is that takes the most out of you as 34 00:01:46,893 --> 00:01:47,373 Speaker 3: a person. 35 00:01:50,213 --> 00:01:51,693 Speaker 4: I will answer that, but I just wanted to say 36 00:01:51,693 --> 00:01:53,693 Speaker 4: at the beginning, I kind of know not just the 37 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:56,413 Speaker 4: news tugs of the audience, but a more general audience. 38 00:01:56,653 --> 00:01:59,693 Speaker 4: There's not a massive amount of sympathy out there for politicians. 39 00:01:59,813 --> 00:02:02,453 Speaker 4: And I do kind of get that, you know, in 40 00:02:02,493 --> 00:02:05,333 Speaker 4: the sense that we're high profile people, and you know, 41 00:02:05,933 --> 00:02:08,813 Speaker 4: we are well paid. Politicians are well paid relative to 42 00:02:08,813 --> 00:02:11,373 Speaker 4: the rest of the population. You know all of that. 43 00:02:11,893 --> 00:02:14,253 Speaker 4: It's also a really important role in one that we 44 00:02:14,293 --> 00:02:16,333 Speaker 4: want the best of our people to be wanting to 45 00:02:16,373 --> 00:02:19,292 Speaker 4: go into. And my observation of sort of twenty odd 46 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:22,213 Speaker 4: years around politics is that the bit that's changed the 47 00:02:22,252 --> 00:02:27,252 Speaker 4: most is the way in which the public scrutiny is 48 00:02:27,293 --> 00:02:30,533 Speaker 4: in your face twenty four to seven, that your families 49 00:02:30,532 --> 00:02:34,733 Speaker 4: are being brought into it, that it's cutting close to home. 50 00:02:34,813 --> 00:02:36,653 Speaker 4: You know, everyone's got a camera in their hand, now, 51 00:02:36,693 --> 00:02:39,213 Speaker 4: don't they with their phone, and so they're right in 52 00:02:39,252 --> 00:02:43,173 Speaker 4: the face. There's no downtime. You're twenty four seven, the 53 00:02:43,252 --> 00:02:47,572 Speaker 4: slightest mistake era, you know, bad temp at moment and 54 00:02:47,813 --> 00:02:51,333 Speaker 4: it's all over the media and the pylon begins. So 55 00:02:51,373 --> 00:02:53,813 Speaker 4: I think it's that. I think it's the fact that 56 00:02:54,493 --> 00:02:58,413 Speaker 4: you deserve scrutiny as a politician. Every politician should expect that, 57 00:02:58,972 --> 00:03:01,733 Speaker 4: especially if it's about policy and about the you know, 58 00:03:01,773 --> 00:03:05,133 Speaker 4: the important things that you're doing. It's when it transfers 59 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:07,572 Speaker 4: over into your private life, your personal life, and it's 60 00:03:07,733 --> 00:03:12,093 Speaker 4: just NonStop, is no respite, and that's tough. 61 00:03:12,613 --> 00:03:15,412 Speaker 3: So you think that the actual media has become more 62 00:03:15,453 --> 00:03:18,613 Speaker 3: hardcore and not just social media being added into the mix. 63 00:03:19,573 --> 00:03:23,053 Speaker 4: I think it's mainly social media, I'll say that now, 64 00:03:23,373 --> 00:03:25,773 Speaker 4: but in a funny way, I feel the same sympathy 65 00:03:25,893 --> 00:03:29,733 Speaker 4: for the media who cover Parliament. I remember talking to 66 00:03:30,773 --> 00:03:33,333 Speaker 4: some senior journalists before I left had been around for 67 00:03:33,493 --> 00:03:34,933 Speaker 4: you know, a number of years, you said, you know, 68 00:03:34,933 --> 00:03:37,413 Speaker 4: in the old days, they would come up with a 69 00:03:37,493 --> 00:03:40,293 Speaker 4: yarn that ask people for different views on it, that 70 00:03:40,373 --> 00:03:42,453 Speaker 4: sort of spend the day working out what was true 71 00:03:42,453 --> 00:03:44,893 Speaker 4: what wasn't. They'd write the story and there it would 72 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,453 Speaker 4: be on the front page of the Herald or some 73 00:03:47,493 --> 00:03:52,093 Speaker 4: other Z and MEO owned publication the next day. Now 74 00:03:52,293 --> 00:03:54,493 Speaker 4: they are expected to report on it in real time. 75 00:03:55,253 --> 00:03:57,693 Speaker 4: There isn't a lot of time to check facts. Stuff 76 00:03:57,733 --> 00:04:01,413 Speaker 4: gets asserted, and there's kind of like this perpetual motion 77 00:04:01,573 --> 00:04:05,693 Speaker 4: machine that everyone in politics is on. And I'm not 78 00:04:05,733 --> 00:04:08,172 Speaker 4: really blaming media per se and that, I'm just saying 79 00:04:08,173 --> 00:04:11,413 Speaker 4: the whole thing is at warp speed twenty four to seven. 80 00:04:11,653 --> 00:04:14,173 Speaker 4: There's very little time for reflection, and I just think 81 00:04:14,213 --> 00:04:15,533 Speaker 4: it takes its toll on everyone. 82 00:04:16,133 --> 00:04:19,053 Speaker 3: Do you think good people then are turning down politics 83 00:04:19,053 --> 00:04:22,173 Speaker 3: as a career because of this, because it's so clearly, 84 00:04:22,253 --> 00:04:24,013 Speaker 3: I mean, I can see how full on it is 85 00:04:24,333 --> 00:04:26,853 Speaker 3: from the outside. I mean, I am part of the media, 86 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:30,893 Speaker 3: but sometimes I claim not to be. But you know, 87 00:04:31,493 --> 00:04:34,293 Speaker 3: it just looks horrible for me. From the outside. It 88 00:04:34,333 --> 00:04:37,493 Speaker 3: looks like the most intense situation. 89 00:04:39,413 --> 00:04:41,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. Look, I think there are people who 90 00:04:41,613 --> 00:04:43,293 Speaker 4: are turning it down. Having said that, there are also 91 00:04:43,333 --> 00:04:44,893 Speaker 4: plenty of people put in their hands up, aren't they? 92 00:04:45,053 --> 00:04:47,813 Speaker 4: So not everyone is put off. Not everyone has the 93 00:04:47,813 --> 00:04:50,293 Speaker 4: same experience either, you know. I talk to some of 94 00:04:50,293 --> 00:04:53,533 Speaker 4: my colleagues and former colleagues who say, yeah, yeah, it 95 00:04:53,613 --> 00:04:54,933 Speaker 4: was you know, there was a little bit of that, 96 00:04:55,013 --> 00:04:57,333 Speaker 4: but it wasn't too bad. So there are going to 97 00:04:57,333 --> 00:04:59,533 Speaker 4: be different experiences. I mean, I get a lot of 98 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:02,493 Speaker 4: people coming to me and saying I'm thinking about going 99 00:05:02,493 --> 00:05:05,973 Speaker 4: to politics, actually from different parties, and what do I 100 00:05:06,013 --> 00:05:08,173 Speaker 4: think of that? And usually I say, look, if you're 101 00:05:08,693 --> 00:05:10,853 Speaker 4: about what you believe in, you've got things you would 102 00:05:10,893 --> 00:05:14,053 Speaker 4: like to see happen within foreig new zylinders, go for it. 103 00:05:14,253 --> 00:05:16,213 Speaker 4: But it does come with a health warning, and that 104 00:05:16,333 --> 00:05:19,653 Speaker 4: health warning is that you'll lose your personal life. There's 105 00:05:19,693 --> 00:05:21,893 Speaker 4: a chance your family will be sucked into it, and 106 00:05:21,933 --> 00:05:24,813 Speaker 4: you've got to kind of prepare yourself for that. But gosh, 107 00:05:24,933 --> 00:05:28,053 Speaker 4: I really want to get the point across. Politics still matters, 108 00:05:28,253 --> 00:05:31,133 Speaker 4: the media still matters. We've just got to work out 109 00:05:31,173 --> 00:05:33,693 Speaker 4: how we can make it a bit more sustainable. 110 00:05:34,093 --> 00:05:36,813 Speaker 2: It strikes me grant as a job, particularly now, that 111 00:05:36,973 --> 00:05:39,373 Speaker 2: could be pretty isolating that you you know, if you 112 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:42,053 Speaker 2: get into politics and you do well, you're a high 113 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:45,053 Speaker 2: performer by nature. But I look and it doesn't matter 114 00:05:45,093 --> 00:05:47,733 Speaker 2: what side of the aisle these politicians are performing on. 115 00:05:48,053 --> 00:05:50,892 Speaker 2: When things go wrong, Who the hell do you talk 116 00:05:50,933 --> 00:05:53,933 Speaker 2: to that actually understands and can give you genuine advice. 117 00:05:54,213 --> 00:05:56,973 Speaker 2: Seems to me that that can be potentially isolating for 118 00:05:56,973 --> 00:05:58,693 Speaker 2: a lot of people that get into politics. 119 00:05:59,533 --> 00:06:01,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say that's a fair point. In one of 120 00:06:01,453 --> 00:06:04,413 Speaker 4: the things I know it was being done before I 121 00:06:04,493 --> 00:06:08,213 Speaker 4: left parliament around making sure that parliamentarians across all party 122 00:06:08,653 --> 00:06:12,293 Speaker 4: were you know, we're being given opportunities to have people 123 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:14,213 Speaker 4: that they could go and talk to. And I do 124 00:06:14,293 --> 00:06:17,253 Speaker 4: write about this in the book that I had. I 125 00:06:17,413 --> 00:06:19,853 Speaker 4: wasn't very good at that. I was probably in the 126 00:06:19,853 --> 00:06:23,013 Speaker 4: category that you're talking about. But in that last year, 127 00:06:23,373 --> 00:06:25,773 Speaker 4: just because you know, I have to just resigned and 128 00:06:25,813 --> 00:06:28,413 Speaker 4: I didn't take up the PM's job, and that I 129 00:06:28,453 --> 00:06:31,013 Speaker 4: definitely needed help and it was the best thing I did. 130 00:06:31,453 --> 00:06:33,373 Speaker 4: And the person was not a person with a great 131 00:06:33,373 --> 00:06:36,693 Speaker 4: connection to politics. They were just somebody that I could 132 00:06:36,733 --> 00:06:40,133 Speaker 4: talk to. And so making sure those opportunities are available. 133 00:06:40,493 --> 00:06:42,293 Speaker 4: You know, there's been some work over the last year 134 00:06:42,373 --> 00:06:44,693 Speaker 4: or so to try and improve the culture in parliament 135 00:06:44,733 --> 00:06:47,853 Speaker 4: generally because staff in parliament also I caught up in 136 00:06:47,933 --> 00:06:49,933 Speaker 4: this kind of maustream along with it, as I say, 137 00:06:50,013 --> 00:06:52,533 Speaker 4: the media too. So yeah, having someone to talk to 138 00:06:52,653 --> 00:06:55,493 Speaker 4: is important. But you know, I effectively gave up going 139 00:06:55,533 --> 00:06:57,813 Speaker 4: out much in the last few years just because there 140 00:06:57,853 --> 00:07:00,293 Speaker 4: was a certain time in the evening where where to 141 00:07:00,373 --> 00:07:03,373 Speaker 4: use it and mad heathersm punishers would with start to 142 00:07:03,413 --> 00:07:05,653 Speaker 4: talk to you at a at a rate that you 143 00:07:05,653 --> 00:07:08,773 Speaker 4: know was a bit unsustainable, and so I think that 144 00:07:08,853 --> 00:07:11,373 Speaker 4: you can find yourself isolated, but I was. Fortunately I 145 00:07:11,413 --> 00:07:13,693 Speaker 4: had a great set of friends who I could see 146 00:07:13,773 --> 00:07:17,133 Speaker 4: kind of socially in different settings, and they helped me 147 00:07:17,173 --> 00:07:18,413 Speaker 4: get through it as well. 148 00:07:18,413 --> 00:07:20,893 Speaker 3: What about within parliament, because you always hear stories about 149 00:07:20,973 --> 00:07:24,373 Speaker 3: robust chat chats and parliament and then cross party bears 150 00:07:24,373 --> 00:07:28,133 Speaker 3: and friendships. Now that everything seems to have got so polarizing, 151 00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:31,173 Speaker 3: politicians still making friends across the aisle. 152 00:07:33,773 --> 00:07:36,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, perhaps maybe not quite as much. I think in 153 00:07:36,653 --> 00:07:39,173 Speaker 4: the old days that hours at Parliament were actually like 154 00:07:39,893 --> 00:07:42,453 Speaker 4: a bit longer. You know, they used urgency more often 155 00:07:42,453 --> 00:07:44,573 Speaker 4: they sat through the night, which we don't do anymore. 156 00:07:44,573 --> 00:07:47,893 Speaker 4: We stop at midnight, even for an urgency. So yeah, 157 00:07:48,173 --> 00:07:51,933 Speaker 4: you know, I think there's probably slightly less opportunity for 158 00:07:51,973 --> 00:07:54,533 Speaker 4: that less culture of going to the parliament bar and 159 00:07:54,573 --> 00:07:58,373 Speaker 4: so on. But look, I know colleagues who have people 160 00:07:58,373 --> 00:08:01,413 Speaker 4: across the aisle that they talk to. And again, you know, 161 00:08:01,453 --> 00:08:03,493 Speaker 4: he said jamously plaguing the book for the fourth time 162 00:08:03,493 --> 00:08:05,973 Speaker 4: in the interview. But in the book, you know, I 163 00:08:06,093 --> 00:08:09,733 Speaker 4: mentioned people like Todd Muller, who who I knew coming 164 00:08:09,773 --> 00:08:11,893 Speaker 4: before I went into politics, who you know, who I 165 00:08:12,133 --> 00:08:15,933 Speaker 4: regard very highly and I spent time with him. You know, 166 00:08:15,973 --> 00:08:18,413 Speaker 4: there are others in Parliament who I would have done 167 00:08:18,413 --> 00:08:20,933 Speaker 4: that with, but I feel like less So I feel 168 00:08:20,973 --> 00:08:22,773 Speaker 4: like it is more polarized. I mean, we're not the 169 00:08:22,853 --> 00:08:26,693 Speaker 4: United States, and that's a good thing from my perspective, 170 00:08:26,693 --> 00:08:29,693 Speaker 4: in the sense that the polarization you see there is 171 00:08:30,093 --> 00:08:33,573 Speaker 4: utterly extreme, but I can see elements of it creeping 172 00:08:33,612 --> 00:08:35,933 Speaker 4: in in New Zealand. And you know, I think I 173 00:08:35,973 --> 00:08:39,773 Speaker 4: think we're good when we do have those robust policy debates, 174 00:08:39,813 --> 00:08:42,372 Speaker 4: but we can move past that and respect each other 175 00:08:42,413 --> 00:08:42,933 Speaker 4: as people. 176 00:08:43,453 --> 00:08:48,493 Speaker 3: So we've had leaders in times of war and such. 177 00:08:49,093 --> 00:08:51,213 Speaker 3: Do you think there's something in it? And you know, 178 00:08:52,053 --> 00:08:54,133 Speaker 3: people will say, well, if you want to lead the country, 179 00:08:54,173 --> 00:08:57,733 Speaker 3: you need to be hard, and so we want hard, strong, 180 00:08:57,892 --> 00:09:00,973 Speaker 3: powerful people that can take anything to lead lead at 181 00:09:01,053 --> 00:09:03,693 Speaker 3: us in the country. Do you think there's anything in that. 182 00:09:05,453 --> 00:09:07,733 Speaker 4: Oh, look, you've got to be tough to lead. But 183 00:09:07,813 --> 00:09:11,772 Speaker 4: being tough doesn't mean, you know, being cruel, It doesn't 184 00:09:11,813 --> 00:09:16,653 Speaker 4: mean being unnecessarily unkind. And you know, I believe one 185 00:09:16,693 --> 00:09:18,773 Speaker 4: of the toughest politicians I ever worked with was just 186 00:09:18,852 --> 00:09:23,093 Speaker 4: under dun I mean, she took some extraordinarily difficult calls. 187 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:25,653 Speaker 4: She stood by what she believed in when there were 188 00:09:25,653 --> 00:09:28,252 Speaker 4: people telling her that she shouldn't be doing it. That's 189 00:09:28,293 --> 00:09:30,573 Speaker 4: a form of toughness. But what went with it was 190 00:09:31,892 --> 00:09:34,652 Speaker 4: a different kind of attitude and approach. So, yes, you've 191 00:09:34,653 --> 00:09:36,813 Speaker 4: got to be tough. Yes, you need to be able 192 00:09:36,852 --> 00:09:40,653 Speaker 4: to accept criticism of what you're saying and doing. I 193 00:09:40,732 --> 00:09:43,493 Speaker 4: just think we can all see how that when it 194 00:09:43,573 --> 00:09:46,892 Speaker 4: goes beyond that, and the level of threats and abuse, 195 00:09:47,012 --> 00:09:52,093 Speaker 4: particularly female politicians get, is horrendous. You know, I'm gay, 196 00:09:52,252 --> 00:09:55,573 Speaker 4: so that that gave another kind of angle of attack 197 00:09:55,653 --> 00:09:57,933 Speaker 4: for the kind of homophobic abuse that I used to 198 00:09:58,333 --> 00:10:00,653 Speaker 4: get a lot of in the role. That stuff's just 199 00:10:00,773 --> 00:10:04,372 Speaker 4: not on and we need to all say, no matter 200 00:10:04,413 --> 00:10:07,293 Speaker 4: what side of politics we're on, if we see that happening, 201 00:10:07,693 --> 00:10:08,333 Speaker 4: that we call. 202 00:10:08,213 --> 00:10:11,573 Speaker 3: It now the current promise gets a lot of bad abuse. 203 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:13,612 Speaker 3: I've got to say, you do you chew over it? 204 00:10:13,732 --> 00:10:17,453 Speaker 3: You know what what happens? You know when you finish parliament, 205 00:10:17,573 --> 00:10:19,612 Speaker 3: you know you're out, you're getting to your love. Do 206 00:10:19,852 --> 00:10:21,773 Speaker 3: you do you because you know there's things in my 207 00:10:21,813 --> 00:10:24,933 Speaker 3: life that I've done that I chew over over and 208 00:10:24,973 --> 00:10:28,413 Speaker 3: over and over again, and they were insignificant and the things. 209 00:10:29,372 --> 00:10:31,772 Speaker 4: Not paying we'll get to that. We'll get to that. 210 00:10:31,933 --> 00:10:35,492 Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to that. Do you do you ever 211 00:10:35,573 --> 00:10:36,813 Speaker 3: wake up in the middle of the night and you're 212 00:10:36,852 --> 00:10:39,892 Speaker 3: still chewing over the things from from your from your 213 00:10:39,892 --> 00:10:41,053 Speaker 3: time in parliament. 214 00:10:42,132 --> 00:10:44,613 Speaker 4: No, not so much nowadays, but but yeah, I think 215 00:10:44,653 --> 00:10:46,453 Speaker 4: I think that's all part of it. You know, I 216 00:10:46,492 --> 00:10:49,893 Speaker 4: describe myself as a recovering politician, and I think you know, 217 00:10:49,973 --> 00:10:52,973 Speaker 4: there's there's there are times of course, when you reflect 218 00:10:53,053 --> 00:10:55,213 Speaker 4: on what you see to what you did, and I 219 00:10:55,252 --> 00:10:57,493 Speaker 4: absolutely agree with you. I mean, I'm saying all of 220 00:10:57,533 --> 00:11:00,173 Speaker 4: this now I'm very clear that there were times in 221 00:11:00,213 --> 00:11:02,413 Speaker 4: Parliament when I was in full flight where I probably 222 00:11:02,413 --> 00:11:06,093 Speaker 4: said stuff that was a bit personal. I tried never 223 00:11:06,132 --> 00:11:08,693 Speaker 4: to bring families in and there's absolutely and there was 224 00:11:08,732 --> 00:11:11,732 Speaker 4: a reason for it. But you know, all of us 225 00:11:11,773 --> 00:11:13,612 Speaker 4: will look back on times and so, yeah, I could 226 00:11:13,653 --> 00:11:16,893 Speaker 4: have been better in that environment, and you know that's 227 00:11:16,933 --> 00:11:20,413 Speaker 4: a natural result of being in that robust arena. I 228 00:11:20,413 --> 00:11:23,492 Speaker 4: guess all I'm pointing out is that year when people 229 00:11:23,492 --> 00:11:25,813 Speaker 4: come out of politics, you can see how much better 230 00:11:25,892 --> 00:11:29,493 Speaker 4: they look and feel, and we've got to do what 231 00:11:29,533 --> 00:11:31,772 Speaker 4: we can to make the experience a better one. 232 00:11:32,132 --> 00:11:33,733 Speaker 3: Now, grant to go back to an issue you brought 233 00:11:33,773 --> 00:11:35,732 Speaker 3: up before in your book, you claim that I you 234 00:11:35,732 --> 00:11:38,132 Speaker 3: two hundred bucks from when you manage my band. 235 00:11:38,333 --> 00:11:40,453 Speaker 4: You I've got to be fair here met there were 236 00:11:40,492 --> 00:11:41,813 Speaker 4: there were four people in the band. 237 00:11:42,612 --> 00:11:46,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, well here was lead singer though fair so, and 238 00:11:46,413 --> 00:11:48,252 Speaker 3: you're also say in the book quite clearly that you're 239 00:11:48,252 --> 00:11:50,813 Speaker 3: still waiting on the money. Now. I know that you're 240 00:11:50,852 --> 00:11:53,893 Speaker 3: back in Duneda and running the university down there, So 241 00:11:53,933 --> 00:11:56,053 Speaker 3: can I just say if you could stop past the 242 00:11:56,132 --> 00:11:59,652 Speaker 3: nutrition department. My sister is a professor there, so I'm 243 00:11:59,653 --> 00:12:00,892 Speaker 3: sure she'll help you out with that. 244 00:12:00,892 --> 00:12:02,893 Speaker 2: That too, on a buck, still shirking the bills, making 245 00:12:03,813 --> 00:12:04,813 Speaker 2: brilliant exactly. 246 00:12:05,093 --> 00:12:08,053 Speaker 4: That that's the approach that I remember well, But no 247 00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:11,533 Speaker 4: was put it this way. The fond memories I have 248 00:12:11,693 --> 00:12:14,893 Speaker 4: from from Kidd Trinity probably our way the money that 249 00:12:14,933 --> 00:12:16,293 Speaker 4: I hed Yeah, surey good. 250 00:12:16,333 --> 00:12:18,693 Speaker 3: All right, well you definitely got some some good, good 251 00:12:18,732 --> 00:12:20,813 Speaker 3: amounts of free beers if I remember back in the day. 252 00:12:20,973 --> 00:12:22,093 Speaker 3: All right, thanks for joining us. 253 00:12:22,053 --> 00:12:24,293 Speaker 4: Grunt, no worries, cheers. 254 00:12:24,372 --> 00:12:27,013 Speaker 2: That is a former politician Grant Robinson, a one time 255 00:12:27,053 --> 00:12:30,333 Speaker 2: band member for Matt Heath and co band manager band manager. 256 00:12:30,852 --> 00:12:33,532 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B, listen live on 257 00:12:33,573 --> 00:12:36,573 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 258 00:12:36,612 --> 00:12:39,173 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio