1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty exceptional marketing 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: for every property. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm huddle with us this evening. We've got David Farrer 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: of Kiwi Blog and Patty Gower journalists. 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Tell her you too, Hello, Hello David. 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: I don't think I can bring myself to this to 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: read this report into what's happened to these because it's 8 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: just too sad. Are you going to. 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it made me reflect. I find 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 3: it hard to read the stories about Yeah, let alone 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: the report, but then think about the people who lived 12 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: through this and spent twenty years of to be blunt 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: cover ups and denial the I think we are it 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: to them to try it, But like at some stage 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: I want to go to outswitch. Not because it will 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: be in any way a nice thing to do, but 17 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: when terrible things have happened, I think we do have 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: to force ourselves to confront them. Yeah, what are you reckon? 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry? 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually reading it now. I've had tears in 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 4: my eyes just reading the part about the way that 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: some deaf deaf people were treated in care, just just 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 4: one tiny, tiny bit, just terrible to think that people 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: who were born deaf were treated like that. Unmarked graves. 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 4: I did not know about the number of unmarked graves 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 4: that we've got around these There's not a number on it. 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 4: They're calling for an inquirer on it, but it sounds 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: like there's a lot of people buried in unmarked graves 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: around these places. I had never heard of that, and 30 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: you know that that is something that's that's really frightening. 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: They mentioned the Porrua mental hospital. I walk up around 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: there with my dog sometimes there's obviously make unmarked graves 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: up around there. So yeah, it's incredibly harrowing. And for 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: me personally as a Catholic, I'm ashamed by by what 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: I read in here about what the priests have done 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: to my fellow Catholics and the church that I'm out of. 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: I'm bigly, deeply ashamed by what I'm reading in here. 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, David, I mean some of the stuff 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: that's in this report feels so archaic, right, you know, 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: like electric shocking kids with like the electrodes attached to 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: their genitols and stripping them off in the middle of 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: the night and making them stand outside naked while you 43 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: hose them down, and putting them in solitary confinement for hours, 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: if not weeks in some cases on end. But I 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: wonder how much of the stuff is still actually going on. 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: I would hope none, but some is stuff that happened 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: one hundred years ago. This happened after I was born. 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: This isn't the deep distant past. And yeah, some of 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: the stuff on the ect it was done without seedy 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: tip that was done to punish, not cure. Kids were 51 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: given injections as a form of punishment because they would hurt. 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: It is unthinkable, but happened. And one of the big 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: challenge for the government and its response, and there a 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: Cassander's leading there is how do we ensure it doesn't 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: happen again, because we do need to have that assurance, 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: can you. 57 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: Though, Paddy, Because at the heart of it, right, this 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: is not I mean, this is basically bad people and 59 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: bad people will find other people to do mean things 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: to and I don't how do you ever get rid 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: of that. 62 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: Well, decent systems can out bad people, and we just 63 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: did not have those systems in the state or in 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: our religious institutions. I mean, looking at this, fourteen percent 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 4: of clergy, so fourteen percent of priests have had allegations 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: against and that's basically well, it's over one in ten. 67 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: So if you're someone like me, you know you had 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: a one in ten chance of coming into contact with 69 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: some sort of abuser while you were within the Catholic system. 70 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: You know that is shocking. You're you know, you are 71 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 4: dicing with abuse literally, and I'm lucky, and I count 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: myself lucky actually when you read this, to get out 73 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: of a Catholic life without can you abused? And you know, 74 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: one of the most harrowing things in here is our 75 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: chaps described going into prison and knowing everybody because they 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: were all in state care. Now, that's the sort of 77 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 4: thing that we've had to carry as a country. This 78 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: abuse has a cost to us, and that it's filled 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: up our prisons and we've got to deal with all 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 4: of that. That's that sort of cost to us as 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: a nation. So yeah, I think honestly that bad people 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: will do bad things to other people. But it's a 83 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: lot easier when you've got a system where you're enabled 84 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: to do it. 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we you rooted out David. Here's the thing, right, 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: one of the recommendations is shut down ordering a tamriiqi altogether. 87 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: If we do go down that path and we shut 88 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: it down, what do we replace it with, because we 89 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: still have to have some sort of a system to 90 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: take kids away from parents who smash them. 91 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 3: Well, I think the state's role should be regulat tree 92 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 3: and quality and checking this doesn't happen. The trouble all 93 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: came because, of course the same people meant to be 94 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 3: checking up where the ones running it. So I would 95 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: happily those that part of them down and have instead 96 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: the government focus on licensing community providers, salvation army, religions. 97 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 3: You know, as long as you've got that independent checks 98 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: for qualities where inspectors can go in at the stays. 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: But look, I've been involved in politics for twenty five 100 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: duty years. I think every three years there's a review 101 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: of what used to be ships or CYF or it's 102 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: had ten different names, that's had ten reviews, and we 103 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: just haven't got to where we need to be. So 104 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: I think it is time to say, maybe the government 105 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: can be good at something, but actually looking after the 106 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: most vulnerable isn't one of them. 107 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach 108 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: and results. 109 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Patty Gower David Farah, Patty, 110 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 2: what do you reckon Should public servants be doing prayers 111 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: as part of their daily routine. 112 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: Well, if it's talking about katakia, they aren't prayers for status. 113 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 4: Kadakia is not a prayer, yes it is. No, it's not. 114 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 4: It is not a prayer, No, it isn't. 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: It's literally. 116 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: A kadakia is different from a prayer. It's not the 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: mighty word for prayer. You don't get on Google and 118 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 4: check it out. 119 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: And I learned the language to explain to me how 120 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: it's different. 121 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: It's it's it's like a prayer. You're not praying to 122 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 4: God or anything. You know, You're you're sort of saying, hey, 123 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: thanks to the youth's unseen sky. 124 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: You're praying to the earth. It's a prayer. 125 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: I'm not praying when I do a kadakia, i am 126 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: not praying. I'm doing a kadakir. And I'm chill with it. 127 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: And do you know, do you know what I think 128 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 4: us talking about it is actually a bit of a 129 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: waste of time. The problems in the health system. I 130 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 4: couldn't get a doctor's appointment the other day, and that's 131 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 4: not because people are doing kadakia. That's because we don't 132 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: have enough GPS. The reason that we have got a 133 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 4: short for four thousand nurses is not because someone is 134 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: doing a cudakia somewhere. This guy, Todd Stephenson from the 135 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: ACT Party should actually give up on this and go 136 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 4: to Parliament and do some work. 137 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: Patty would actually do some work. 138 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: I did a google like you told me to Katakia 139 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: in Wikipedia. In Marii religion, katakia are ritually used to 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: cleanse the homes of the deceased. And then the next 141 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: head is the University of Otago. Katakia are prayers. The 142 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: next one as the Taka Maldi dictionary, which is my 143 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: go to as you know, like a bit of a 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: dodgy speaker. Katakia verb to recite ritual chance, say grace, prayer, 145 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: recite a prayer. Next one katakia Kadakia are prayers. Next 146 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: one Menicaw Institute of Technology. Cutakia are prayers. What are 147 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: you talking about, Patty? You can't rewrite what the facts are. 148 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: No, I just don't think of it as a prayer. 149 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: It can be used to describe it. 150 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Okay, what you think of it? As you're ringing me 151 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: some Donald Trump alternative facts here. 152 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't give you an alternative thing. 153 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: I don't. 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: I don't think of it as a prayer. I'm not 155 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: praying through a religious species. 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think of you as a human being, 157 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: but you are it anyway, David. 158 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 5: Carry Well, I should just point out with your site 159 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 5: in Wikipedia there I used to to win argument, would 160 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: go to the Wikipedia on my phone editor to reflect 161 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 5: what high asserted, and then say, let's go check Wikipedia. 162 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: That's only available to people like you who understand technology, 163 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: not the rest of us. 164 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: Look, Petties, writer, is not the most major issue, but 165 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: it's clearly spiritual. It's saying we believe there is a 166 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: spirit of the earth, a spirit of the air. Two 167 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: and well, it's not the biggest issue. Is an appropriate 168 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: for a secular public service? And yes, I also think 169 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: the parliamentary creation should be changed free. I think it 170 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 3: was ridiculous we had Muslim MP's having to sit there 171 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: around Jesus Christ was sighted than the house for example. 172 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah not cool, okay, Patty, Then tell me what your 173 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: weird takers today on JD Vance's Childless crack at Kamala. 174 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: Harris, Well, it's a dick and yeah. 175 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: You've redeemed yourself. 176 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: Am I track? 177 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? 178 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: Track, if we got there, we got petty back. 179 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: On track, You're forgiven. Yes, it is a dick. 180 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 4: Do you think I malfunctioned before? Do you think there 181 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: was a Do you think there was a glitch. 182 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 5: In the teaching? 183 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What I reckon happen to 184 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: you is that you know full well what the right 185 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: answer is, but you put yourself through the Wokester machine 186 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: and you had to do some mental contortions. 187 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 4: Do you think I got out of the work side of. 188 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: Being I think you're terrified of not landing a job 189 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: at AAR and Z. And if they hear that you 190 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 2: say this stuff, you're not going to get it. 191 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: I'm not going to get a jump on with that 192 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: last back, Am I I ruled myself? I think I 193 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: ruled myself out for years of This might be my 194 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: last title. This is the last tittle. 195 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: But you've redeemed yourself with the second comment, David, you 196 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: get a crack at it. 197 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: Now we're allowed to agree disagree with Heather. Actually, it's 198 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: not like that's. 199 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: The secret rule of fight club. You are which don't 200 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: try to encourage it well with. 201 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: Jade Evans to defend them slightly. I believe he said 202 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: it three four years ago before he was Ema a senator. 203 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: But Republicans are in pole position. They should win, but 204 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: anything will take them down. It's the overconfidence there, sneering, 205 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 3: derisory remarks about Kamala Harris at will allow her to 206 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: turn it into a referendum on woman's issues. So he 207 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: didn't say it your last and became the presdential nominee. 208 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: That they've dug it up. But they do have to 209 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: be very careful because I think they think after the convention, 210 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: the shooting and Biden I've been obviously see now that 211 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: it was home and home. Yeah, and it's now competition. 212 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have to be a bit careful. 213 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 5: Guys. 214 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: It is so good to talk to you. Thank you 215 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: so much. Thank you Patty for tolerating me. That's Patty Gower. 216 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 217 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 218 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.