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Speaker 1: To bite Diana America. The last one changed the course

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Speaker 1: of the Rice, of course, so all eyes on Philly.

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Speaker 1: Today's Donald Trump lines up against Kamala Harris. See an

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Speaker 1: in common title film special assistant to George Bush, Scott

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Speaker 1: Jennings with us, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, glad to be with you now.

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Speaker 1: By why I have a singular event in a big Rice.

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Speaker 1: What white do you place on today's event?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a big deal because it may be the

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Speaker 2: only debate between Trump and Harris. Historically, presidential debates have

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Speaker 2: not moved the numbers in a huge way, although earlier

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Speaker 2: this summer in June, we did see a debate obviously

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Speaker 2: changed the campaign dramatically because it led to the dropout

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Speaker 2: of Joe Biden. This is Kamala Harris's first chance to

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Speaker 2: do something that's rather unscripted. Most of what she has

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Speaker 2: done so far has been off of a teleprompter behind

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Speaker 2: a podium. So for a lot of the American people,

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Speaker 2: they know her name, but they don't know much about her,

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Speaker 2: and this debate may be the first chance to learn.

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Speaker 1: The Harris interview I watched, it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: she said nothing and walked away from it. Seemingly unskythed

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Speaker 1: how much interest is there in the specifics as opposed

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Speaker 1: to the Vaughantes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think people want to know which Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris were getting here when she ran for president. Before

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Speaker 2: she ran on quite a liberal or progressive platform. Now

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Speaker 2: she's saying that she no longer believes in many of

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Speaker 2: those things. So how she handles those questions tonight about

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Speaker 2: you know you believe this? Now you say you don't.

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Speaker 2: You know that that gives you an idea of what

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Speaker 2: kind of a leader someone would be. So I do

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Speaker 2: think there's some interest in it. Plus, she's obviously Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden's vice president. He's not terribly popular. I'm wondering is

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Speaker 2: she going to separate herself from President Biden in any

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Speaker 2: way by saying, for instance, you know, he made this decision,

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Speaker 2: I disagreed with it. I would have done it differently.

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Speaker 2: I suspect something like that's going to have to happen

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Speaker 2: at some point.

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Speaker 1: What about the frecking decision? For example? Do Americans look

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Speaker 1: at that and go she count and make up of mind?

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Speaker 1: Or do they go right, she's on the right side

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Speaker 1: of it. Last at least we got there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think if you specifically live in Pennsylvania, which

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Speaker 2: I regard as the most important state, fracking is a

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Speaker 2: big deal. It has revitalized the state's of con me

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Speaker 2: and has been just a huge part of what's going

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Speaker 2: on with the energy industry in Pennsylvania. She used to

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Speaker 2: oppose it because that was the fashionable thing to do

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Speaker 2: on the American left. Now she says she wouldn't oppose

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Speaker 2: it because obviously she needs to win the state of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: So again, that plus a number of other topics, how

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Speaker 2: she handles those flip flops is going to tell us

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Speaker 2: a lot about her political skill tonight, and Americans are

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Speaker 2: interested in what she has to say about that. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: liberals or progressives want a ban on fracking, but most

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Speaker 2: people think we should be producing our own energy here.

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Speaker 2: So it's a tightrope for her to try to balance

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Speaker 2: what her base would want versus what perhaps swing voters

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania would want.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Pennsylvania one of the important swing sites, and

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Speaker 1: looking at an averageable the polls, they're all within the

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Speaker 1: madun of era. Is it really that tight? Do you

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Speaker 1: believe the polls in general?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very close race across the board in all the

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Speaker 2: swing states, Pennsylvania included. It is very close. Nationally. There

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Speaker 2: have been read national high quality polls in the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days. One had Trump up, one, one had

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Speaker 2: him down one, and one had it tied. And so

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Speaker 2: it is very close, much closer, frankly than the polling

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Speaker 2: showed in twenty twenty or twenty sixteen. So we're in

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Speaker 2: a very, very very close race. Now. Some people think

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Speaker 2: that favors Trump because there are people who are just

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Speaker 2: hard to poll who end up showing up to vote

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Speaker 2: for Trump, and he tends to do better than he polls.

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Speaker 2: But I regarded as close, and I think either campaign

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Speaker 2: could win any of these swing states that are in play.

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Speaker 1: What about Trump and is attacking of her character, of

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Speaker 1: her personality, and whether that grows his vote? Do you

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Speaker 2: I think he should stick to the issues. I think

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Speaker 2: if he gets into a personality contest, he's unlikely to prevail.

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Speaker 2: I think if he gets into a contest about who

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Speaker 2: would represent change in America, he's likely to win the race.

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Speaker 2: Most people want change, they don't think the country's off

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Speaker 2: on the right track. They're unhappy about the economic policies

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Speaker 2: of the current administration. If you stick to those things,

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Speaker 2: and if you're gone Trump and you say, well, why

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Speaker 2: would you leave the same people in charge that you're

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Speaker 2: already mad at, I think that's a winning hand to

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Speaker 2: get into a personality contest or to an insult contest

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Speaker 2: with someone I don't think services purposes tonight.

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Speaker 1: Can you cool it right now with any level of

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Speaker 1: confidence or not?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 1: The debate the rice, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any level of confidence. I wouldn't hazard

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Speaker 2: to make a guess. I think it is a total

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Speaker 2: jump ball. I will say I think Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: in better shape today than he was in either twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen or twenty twenty. In both of those races, he

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Speaker 2: was behind, very few people thought he had a chance

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Speaker 2: to win. That is not the case this time. By

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Speaker 2: some measures, He's more popular and thought of better today

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Speaker 2: than he was in either of those races. So I

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Speaker 2: think Trump's in better shape. But it's a total total

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Speaker 2: jump ball, and either campaign could prevail, and this debate

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Speaker 2: tonight is going to be one of the most monumental

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Speaker 2: points in the race because it may be the last

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Speaker 2: time we see them together.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, Scott, appreciate your time. Go well well, that's Got Jinning,

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