1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:17,387 Speaker 1: from News Talks edbe Crouch Hold Engage Weekend Sport with 3 00:00:17,547 --> 00:00:21,227 Speaker 1: Jason Pine and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's first. 4 00:00:21,027 --> 00:00:24,827 Speaker 2: Trusted home builder, News Talks EDBB just on sixteen to two. 5 00:00:24,947 --> 00:00:28,627 Speaker 2: James mcconey as usual on a Sunday Super Rugby titled 6 00:00:28,667 --> 00:00:29,627 Speaker 2: Town Hamilton. 7 00:00:29,787 --> 00:00:33,707 Speaker 3: James, Oh can you can you? You can dream it, 8 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:37,187 Speaker 3: but it's I've already been hit once burnt in fact 9 00:00:37,787 --> 00:00:41,547 Speaker 3: last year it's just the memory. I would kill for 10 00:00:42,307 --> 00:00:43,187 Speaker 3: Moore's boots. 11 00:00:43,427 --> 00:00:46,587 Speaker 2: But how good amazing. 12 00:00:48,107 --> 00:00:51,307 Speaker 3: But last year all I did is get a bit 13 00:00:51,307 --> 00:00:54,387 Speaker 3: of an interesting conversation with the Barrett family who were 14 00:00:54,427 --> 00:00:57,387 Speaker 3: loving it, and then Razor to the breakdownce in front 15 00:00:57,387 --> 00:00:59,667 Speaker 3: of me, and I was I struggled with that. I've 16 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:00,827 Speaker 3: got to say, well. 17 00:01:00,747 --> 00:01:02,827 Speaker 2: There's no danger of that this year, and I don't 18 00:01:02,947 --> 00:01:06,507 Speaker 2: really neither Veron Cotta or Clayton McMillan strikes me is 19 00:01:06,547 --> 00:01:10,387 Speaker 2: the type to do the worm or or a hit 20 00:01:10,467 --> 00:01:13,907 Speaker 2: spin or whatever they're calling it these days. I have 21 00:01:13,987 --> 00:01:16,307 Speaker 2: to say that I was so impressed with the Chiefs yesterday. 22 00:01:16,307 --> 00:01:19,187 Speaker 2: I thought they were they were terrific against the Cave. 23 00:01:20,347 --> 00:01:22,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. Is another step up, wasn't it. 24 00:01:22,987 --> 00:01:25,267 Speaker 3: You know, it felt like they might have been peeking 25 00:01:26,027 --> 00:01:28,347 Speaker 3: at the right time, at least being able to pick 26 00:01:28,387 --> 00:01:30,707 Speaker 3: a team that they felt was their burst of tem 27 00:01:30,747 --> 00:01:35,867 Speaker 3: But that game was hectic, brutal, fragmented even, but highly entertaining. 28 00:01:36,347 --> 00:01:38,147 Speaker 3: And two things, let's get it out of the way. 29 00:01:38,467 --> 00:01:42,267 Speaker 3: Wallace Atsi had a blinder and the TMO was blind. 30 00:01:42,787 --> 00:01:46,547 Speaker 3: But we should start with Wallace because before that game 31 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:48,267 Speaker 3: he was a BOLTI of the All Blacks. Now he's 32 00:01:48,267 --> 00:01:51,347 Speaker 3: going to be hard to leave out. And probably, like you, 33 00:01:51,467 --> 00:01:53,707 Speaker 3: I was a big fan of his dad, Semott, who 34 00:01:53,747 --> 00:01:57,187 Speaker 3: played mainly blindside for Wellington and the cap of course 35 00:01:57,587 --> 00:02:00,187 Speaker 3: the captain Manu Samoa. And the one thing I can 36 00:02:00,227 --> 00:02:03,947 Speaker 3: tell you about the Satsi family loved to defend the 37 00:02:04,067 --> 00:02:05,107 Speaker 3: faster than you think. 38 00:02:06,467 --> 00:02:09,427 Speaker 2: Well while was the tt when he sprinted away to 39 00:02:09,427 --> 00:02:12,427 Speaker 2: set up that try for Daniel Roner. My goodness, what 40 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:14,747 Speaker 2: he just you might have heard me say. I mean 41 00:02:15,067 --> 00:02:18,307 Speaker 2: he's like Laucki, isn't he in the way that he plays? 42 00:02:18,827 --> 00:02:21,947 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly, He's got great feats And I mean 43 00:02:22,187 --> 00:02:24,987 Speaker 3: it was just a vital play. The game was close 44 00:02:25,027 --> 00:02:27,907 Speaker 3: to him, wasn't it? Was it twenty fourteen when he yes, yes, 45 00:02:27,987 --> 00:02:31,627 Speaker 3: that's that. So Jordi was in the gap. I mean, 46 00:02:31,987 --> 00:02:35,747 Speaker 3: it was just all or nothing play from Wallace. But 47 00:02:36,027 --> 00:02:38,907 Speaker 3: back to the TMO briefly, I'm not here to I mean, 48 00:02:39,387 --> 00:02:43,187 Speaker 3: I thought Summer Pennies tackle on females, tackle on TJ. 49 00:02:43,267 --> 00:02:46,507 Speaker 3: Perrinara looked like it was sort of head to shoulder 50 00:02:46,507 --> 00:02:51,187 Speaker 3: blake contact. Maybe maybe heads a head, but like debatable. 51 00:02:51,587 --> 00:02:55,387 Speaker 3: But then after TJ. Pernada was defending upright and close 52 00:02:55,427 --> 00:02:58,227 Speaker 3: heads with the TV as you've touched on. Not to 53 00:02:58,267 --> 00:03:01,107 Speaker 3: not even penalize that, I think shows that the whole 54 00:03:01,147 --> 00:03:03,867 Speaker 3: system's a bit broken there. And I even reckon Luke 55 00:03:03,947 --> 00:03:06,547 Speaker 3: Jackinson's late tackle on Jordi Barrett was a penalty me. 56 00:03:06,587 --> 00:03:08,827 Speaker 3: But hey, you know it's easy to talk about it 57 00:03:08,867 --> 00:03:09,987 Speaker 3: now after the Chiefs one. 58 00:03:10,387 --> 00:03:12,187 Speaker 2: Well, the fact we are talking about it just proves 59 00:03:12,187 --> 00:03:14,027 Speaker 2: the point. Hey, just back to the back to the 60 00:03:14,067 --> 00:03:17,907 Speaker 2: number eights. Then are we talking about Soutu or Titi? 61 00:03:18,987 --> 00:03:20,667 Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking Is that what we're talking at? 62 00:03:20,747 --> 00:03:23,427 Speaker 2: You should come up with a song about that. 63 00:03:23,707 --> 00:03:25,267 Speaker 3: I know it's a sort of son that could get 64 00:03:25,307 --> 00:03:31,907 Speaker 3: me canceled and some but do it if you do it, 65 00:03:31,907 --> 00:03:37,307 Speaker 3: Tokokomo to Oh, you know, like that sort of thing. 66 00:03:37,667 --> 00:03:39,827 Speaker 3: You need to give me some time, but I'll come 67 00:03:39,867 --> 00:03:40,947 Speaker 3: up with dumbling for you. 68 00:03:40,947 --> 00:03:43,187 Speaker 2: No, well, I gave you teen I gave you teen seconds. 69 00:03:43,267 --> 00:03:45,347 Speaker 2: You've already come up with a hook magnificent. 70 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:51,307 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I think, like, what's the game up? 71 00:03:51,347 --> 00:03:51,547 Speaker 2: For me? 72 00:03:51,627 --> 00:03:54,867 Speaker 3: Was Peter Larko running the ball back so fast and 73 00:03:54,867 --> 00:03:57,747 Speaker 3: then slipping so that his head hit with night or 74 00:03:57,907 --> 00:04:01,027 Speaker 3: Arkhoy in the knee and it was so out of control, 75 00:04:01,347 --> 00:04:03,587 Speaker 3: but the referee couldn't do anything about it. It was just 76 00:04:03,867 --> 00:04:07,307 Speaker 3: madness at that point. And so the intensity is what 77 00:04:07,387 --> 00:04:10,707 Speaker 3: I guess I loved about that game. A great advertisement 78 00:04:11,107 --> 00:04:11,667 Speaker 3: for the game. 79 00:04:12,507 --> 00:04:15,547 Speaker 2: Would the Chiefs be your favorite team of all the 80 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:16,467 Speaker 2: teams you follow? 81 00:04:17,747 --> 00:04:20,427 Speaker 3: Yes, Pioneer, I think I sent you a little question 82 00:04:20,547 --> 00:04:22,787 Speaker 3: saying who's your top four? Because for me, I think 83 00:04:22,787 --> 00:04:25,027 Speaker 3: in every listener out there, if you're in your car 84 00:04:25,107 --> 00:04:27,147 Speaker 3: or wherever you are thinking who are the teams that 85 00:04:27,627 --> 00:04:30,627 Speaker 3: you know? I will make sure I watch or cares 86 00:04:30,627 --> 00:04:33,347 Speaker 3: it affects my day, And the Chiefs are right up 87 00:04:33,387 --> 00:04:35,827 Speaker 3: there with me and for me and my top four 88 00:04:36,107 --> 00:04:38,907 Speaker 3: with White Cuts or rugby men and women Chiefs White 89 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:42,587 Speaker 3: Cuts or Auckland University rugby clubs up there in my 90 00:04:42,667 --> 00:04:46,147 Speaker 3: top four and probably Hamilton Boys him my old school 91 00:04:46,227 --> 00:04:50,307 Speaker 3: mainly rugby and possibly rowing, and so at this time 92 00:04:50,307 --> 00:04:52,627 Speaker 3: of the year it's quite hard to they're all sort 93 00:04:52,627 --> 00:04:54,747 Speaker 3: of the three of those teams that are all in action, 94 00:04:55,307 --> 00:04:58,347 Speaker 3: so it's quite tough. Who's your top four? Pointy Well, 95 00:04:58,347 --> 00:04:58,627 Speaker 3: I don't. 96 00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:01,227 Speaker 2: The Phoenix have become my top one, both men and women. 97 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:03,387 Speaker 2: I just don't ever see a time where I would 98 00:05:03,427 --> 00:05:06,267 Speaker 2: miss a game for any good reason From those two. 99 00:05:06,947 --> 00:05:10,267 Speaker 2: The Hurricanes I've watched since ninety six and will until 100 00:05:10,267 --> 00:05:13,107 Speaker 2: the end of time. I feel my football club is 101 00:05:13,147 --> 00:05:17,387 Speaker 2: Tawa Tawa AFC, and I would never miss a game 102 00:05:17,907 --> 00:05:21,267 Speaker 2: of the Tawa College Senior A basketball team, mainly because 103 00:05:21,267 --> 00:05:23,747 Speaker 2: my son's and that team, so it would be you know, 104 00:05:24,107 --> 00:05:27,227 Speaker 2: parentally irresponsible for me to miss one of their games. 105 00:05:27,747 --> 00:05:30,587 Speaker 3: I thought you chose that because maybe you were you know, 106 00:05:30,707 --> 00:05:35,107 Speaker 3: nine for you of impressive slam dunks in the early nineties. 107 00:05:35,227 --> 00:05:39,427 Speaker 3: But hey, that's all right, mate, I actually think that 108 00:05:39,467 --> 00:05:42,387 Speaker 3: there's you know, like I love the Wellington Phenix as well, 109 00:05:42,027 --> 00:05:45,627 Speaker 3: and the Warriors and various teams from Tao Mutu. But 110 00:05:45,787 --> 00:05:48,427 Speaker 3: sometimes there's only so much you can do. Like, even 111 00:05:48,467 --> 00:05:52,107 Speaker 3: the black Caps are playing and the Euros have started, 112 00:05:52,147 --> 00:05:54,187 Speaker 3: so I really need to think that black Caps were 113 00:05:54,227 --> 00:05:55,267 Speaker 3: bowing out of the picture. 114 00:05:55,667 --> 00:05:57,227 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it gives you a bit more time. I mean, 115 00:05:57,427 --> 00:05:59,787 Speaker 2: I don't know how many people do you, reckon are 116 00:05:59,827 --> 00:06:02,427 Speaker 2: getting up on Tuesday morning at two thirty to watch 117 00:06:02,427 --> 00:06:05,347 Speaker 2: the black Caps play pupa New Guinea and would stick 118 00:06:05,387 --> 00:06:07,667 Speaker 2: out the entire game from two thirty till let's say 119 00:06:07,707 --> 00:06:09,107 Speaker 2: four thirty Tuesday morning. 120 00:06:09,147 --> 00:06:12,427 Speaker 3: Well, I know of one, and that is Mike Laian 121 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:14,947 Speaker 3: from the ACC, so he will be commentating that on 122 00:06:15,027 --> 00:06:19,467 Speaker 3: sky Sport fifty nine. He's also said anyone else who 123 00:06:19,467 --> 00:06:21,747 Speaker 3: gets up and calls and can commentate with him, So 124 00:06:21,787 --> 00:06:25,147 Speaker 3: he's bespread at the moment. And so if you, if 125 00:06:25,187 --> 00:06:27,587 Speaker 3: you care about that sort of thing, get up and 126 00:06:27,627 --> 00:06:29,267 Speaker 3: watch the game of Mike Lane. 127 00:06:30,307 --> 00:06:33,147 Speaker 2: Any thoughts on on I mean, we don't we've we 128 00:06:33,147 --> 00:06:34,667 Speaker 2: haven't got a long time to unpack it all. But 129 00:06:34,787 --> 00:06:36,147 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I said this on the 130 00:06:36,147 --> 00:06:38,187 Speaker 2: first hour, he probably went listening. You're probably doing something 131 00:06:38,187 --> 00:06:40,267 Speaker 2: far more on boardant, but I think the T twenty 132 00:06:40,267 --> 00:06:42,627 Speaker 2: side should sit off to the side of New Zealand 133 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:44,667 Speaker 2: cricket in terms of the central contracts. Let's just have 134 00:06:44,707 --> 00:06:46,307 Speaker 2: a team of players so we're used to playing T 135 00:06:46,307 --> 00:06:48,467 Speaker 2: twenty play around the world, kind of renegade, you know, 136 00:06:48,587 --> 00:06:51,587 Speaker 2: nim and Monroe and Bolton, all of these guys, and 137 00:06:51,587 --> 00:06:53,667 Speaker 2: that can be in New Zealand black Caps T twenty 138 00:06:53,667 --> 00:06:55,347 Speaker 2: team exactly. 139 00:06:55,387 --> 00:06:59,147 Speaker 3: I think we should have never lost Corey Anderson either. Yes, yes, 140 00:06:59,427 --> 00:07:01,907 Speaker 3: I mean he's still a key player playing around the 141 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:03,987 Speaker 3: world like Trent bolt is now and like a lot 142 00:07:03,987 --> 00:07:06,227 Speaker 3: of our players pop up in the APL. So who 143 00:07:06,667 --> 00:07:09,267 Speaker 3: is why do we have to lose our talent like that? 144 00:07:09,747 --> 00:07:12,267 Speaker 3: And I mean, look, I think they've made some really 145 00:07:12,667 --> 00:07:16,627 Speaker 3: dubious calls with contract priority. There's a secret list. Nobody 146 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:19,547 Speaker 3: knows that except for the cricketers in the New Zealand 147 00:07:19,547 --> 00:07:21,787 Speaker 3: cricket and I think Gary Stead and some of the 148 00:07:21,907 --> 00:07:24,627 Speaker 3: NZI cricket people have put some of their favorites high 149 00:07:24,707 --> 00:07:27,307 Speaker 3: up on that list, which has forced people over the 150 00:07:27,307 --> 00:07:30,347 Speaker 3: course of the past decade. I'm talking force people like 151 00:07:30,747 --> 00:07:35,147 Speaker 3: Colin Monroe, Martin Gupdel, Michael mclenahan. They've all been seen 152 00:07:35,267 --> 00:07:38,227 Speaker 3: and Cory Anderson, they've all been sent into exile. And 153 00:07:38,547 --> 00:07:39,947 Speaker 3: I mean it is a bit like you say, it 154 00:07:39,947 --> 00:07:45,267 Speaker 3: should be like the seventeen separate skills, separate contracts and 155 00:07:45,427 --> 00:07:47,307 Speaker 3: just pick the best people, and I think we wouldn't 156 00:07:47,347 --> 00:07:48,507 Speaker 3: have this problem at all. 157 00:07:49,347 --> 00:07:52,947 Speaker 2: And to finish, what's the latest in the Caitlan Clark 158 00:07:53,347 --> 00:07:57,707 Speaker 2: ongoing Olympic snub drama slash landscape with her? 159 00:07:58,667 --> 00:08:01,147 Speaker 3: Yes, Caitlyn Clark, let's talk about it before I do 160 00:08:01,227 --> 00:08:03,107 Speaker 3: get into that. I was just going to say George Bell, 161 00:08:03,227 --> 00:08:07,787 Speaker 3: Ricky Ricottelli or Kurt Ecklund up between those three. Yes, 162 00:08:08,107 --> 00:08:10,147 Speaker 3: she lost a lot of weight through illness this year, 163 00:08:10,147 --> 00:08:12,027 Speaker 3: so he struggled to get back to a hooker's playing weight. 164 00:08:12,107 --> 00:08:15,107 Speaker 3: But you're probably George might be at the head there. 165 00:08:15,107 --> 00:08:19,347 Speaker 3: But yes, Caitlyn Clark, she's that she was snubbed from 166 00:08:19,347 --> 00:08:22,627 Speaker 3: the Olympics team. But some Paul Pierce, the Celtics great, 167 00:08:22,867 --> 00:08:24,867 Speaker 3: has come out and said, well, why did they actually 168 00:08:24,947 --> 00:08:27,627 Speaker 3: pick Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees who they've sort of 169 00:08:27,867 --> 00:08:30,707 Speaker 3: had this feud with the the two young players, put 170 00:08:30,747 --> 00:08:33,627 Speaker 3: them in the team and just make it so blockbuster 171 00:08:34,107 --> 00:08:37,587 Speaker 3: and see if together as teammates they can in the 172 00:08:37,667 --> 00:08:40,987 Speaker 3: feud and bring harmony to the force. And I love 173 00:08:41,067 --> 00:08:44,027 Speaker 3: that idea. And also Serena Williams is coming out and 174 00:08:44,067 --> 00:08:47,067 Speaker 3: supporting Clark and saying the only reason why people criticize 175 00:08:47,227 --> 00:08:50,227 Speaker 3: is because they can't do what you do. So I mean, 176 00:08:50,307 --> 00:08:52,507 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter where you look. Her name is mentioned 177 00:08:52,547 --> 00:08:57,587 Speaker 3: all across the American media. She's a phenom and changing 178 00:08:57,627 --> 00:08:59,787 Speaker 3: women's basketball. I think for the better. 179 00:09:01,307 --> 00:09:05,147 Speaker 2: So t T shot too. Ooh, we're gonna beat you? 180 00:09:05,427 --> 00:09:06,507 Speaker 2: Is that any good or not? Really? 181 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:09,667 Speaker 3: That's good year's parting. Now we're getting somewhere. 182 00:09:10,267 --> 00:09:17,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, an a shambles to t. 183 00:09:17,387 --> 00:09:20,307 Speaker 3: T watching you as such a treaty, you know, like 184 00:09:20,387 --> 00:09:22,707 Speaker 3: that those things. But I think the beat you was better. 185 00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:26,147 Speaker 2: Oh no, Like you're the wordsmith when it comes to 186 00:09:26,227 --> 00:09:29,867 Speaker 2: these things. Wonderful to chet James. Thanks mate. James McCary 187 00:09:30,627 --> 00:09:32,387 Speaker 2: big part of our Sunday It's one of my favorite 188 00:09:32,387 --> 00:09:33,027 Speaker 2: times of the week. 189 00:09:33,587 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 190 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:40,147 Speaker 1: to news Talks it'd be weekends from midday or follow 191 00:09:40,187 --> 00:09:41,787 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.