1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: We need to talk about Joe Biden. So US President 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden this afternoon has made his first oval office 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: speech since he announced he wouldn't run for president again. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: I review of this office. I love my country more. 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: It's been the honor of my life to serve as 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: your president, but in the defensive democracy, which is a 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: stake I think is more important than any title. Now 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: it comes as Republicans have started have been told by 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: their bosses that they should no longer attack Karmala Harris 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: for what they're calling it being a DEI higher. That's 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: DEI stands for diversity, equality inclusion. They're essentially calling her 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: basically a person who's been picked because of her color 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: and her gender. Howard Dean is a former chair of 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Convention, also former governor of Vermonte. 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Howard, Hi, thanks for having me. 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're welcome. Listen, Joe Biden is doing 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: a very good job of acting like he's a victim 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: here who's sacrificing his own ambition for the good of 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: the country. Do you reckon? People are going to buy it? 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: Well, the people who like him are, and the people 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: who don't like him aren't going to buy it. But 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: I buy it, I mean, to give up your political 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: I can't. Can you imagine Trump doing something like this. 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: He doesn't have a bone of self sacrifice in his body. 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: The reason I don't buy it is because I watched 26 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: him take three and a half weeks and he didn't 27 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: really he didn't really want to write. He held out 28 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: as long as he couldn't as long as he could. 29 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: So it seems to be like a slight rewriting of history. 30 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Well, you may end up in this job. You're in 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: a similar situation yourself one day, and you won't think 32 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: so rush how well. I had to go through the 33 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: same thing when I lost a race that I was 34 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: expected to win the nomination for. And it's incredibly painful 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: when you've come as long as he has and then 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: your dream is over and it takes a while to 37 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: recognize that. 38 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's doing a pretty good job of 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: making sure sort of setting up the narrative for his presidency, 40 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: isn't he? 41 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think it's correct. I personally, and I 42 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: don't know Biden particularly well, I personally believe that Biden 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: has been the most effect of president since Lynnon Johnson 44 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: on a domestic agenda. He's pretty extracts the first president 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: of seriously tackled climate change. He has totally redone the 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: manufacturing business. He's put hundreds of thousands of jobs, mostly 47 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: into states that are not going to vote for them, 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: such as chip jobs, battery jobs, electric car jobs. Brought 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: those home. He got us through COVID after Trump screwed 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: it all up and advised everybody to drink bleach and 51 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: that would fix their to fix them right up. So 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: I think he's a guy of tremendous accomplishments. Is he 53 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: a guy of tremendous ambition? Sure, but it's pretty easy 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: to forgive that when you're the president of the United States. 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: Well, a thing that was pointed out to me that 56 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: was missing from the speech was like a really full throated, 57 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: wholehearted endorsement of how awesome Kamala Harris was. Why was 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: that missing? 59 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: Because it's not appropriate. If you're given time by the 60 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: network to inrest the whole country, it's not expected to 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 2: be a part of the speech. I actually thought a 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: little bit more partisan than I expected, But you're really 63 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: not expected to give a point. They would have had 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: to give equal time to Trump to make a speech 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: if s she he had gone off on politics. 66 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: It's a really good point. What do you make of 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: the excitement around Kamala Harris's campaign? Is it surprising you? 68 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: No, She's young, and I think it's long overdue to 69 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: switch generation from my generation and Trump's generation and Biden's 70 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: generation to the next generation. Harris is I think fifty 71 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: nine years old, more than twenty years younger than Biden 72 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: and almost twenty years younger than Trump. So now that 73 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: she was on the other foot, do we want an 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: old cajure of declining mental capacity like Trump? Or do 75 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: we want somebody who's younger and more ready to take 76 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: on the responsibilities. The other issue is that I think 77 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: is incredibly helpful is young people have been totally disinterested 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: in this election, partly because of the age of the contestants. 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: Now they have somebody they can relate to. 80 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Do you think the excitement that she's got on the 81 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of honeymoon period of her campaign will last. 82 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: I think it will, but not the way it is today. 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: You know this is going to be this is a 84 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: tough slog. It's the most powerful job in the world, 85 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: and you know there's going to be a lot of 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: blood on the tracks before we get done with this 87 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: on both sides. So it'll be a tough, brutal race, 88 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: but it is incredibly you know, the United States has 89 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: never had a woman running the show, and this is 90 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: the first chance. They turned it down with Hillary and 91 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: put Trump in, which was of course turned out to 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: be a bad mistake, and now we'll have a chance 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: to do something different, and I do think that's going 94 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: to be incredibly appealing to young people. 95 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: Do you reckon that Americans are ready for a female president. 96 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: I think they are, but we'll we're going to find 97 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: that out in November. Yeah. 98 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, how will we even know, because it 99 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: may be that they're just not ready for a female 100 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: black president. 101 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: Well, they may not be ready for a black president. 102 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: The Republicans certainly aren't. They're always using a user and 103 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: a race to get to the presidency. The Republican's basic 104 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: platform is hate and anger, and there are a lot 105 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: of people flying into that these days because they don't 106 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: have jobs, they don't have college educations. But Biden actually 107 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 2: comes from that class. He came from a working class family, 108 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: and I think he's done a lot for working class people. 109 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: But Trump, you know, I think Trump is probably a lunatic, 110 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: but he is a very skillful lunatic in the sense 111 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: that he knows how to push the anger button and 112 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: take advantage of people who haven't done so well and 113 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: are upset about it. Plus the usual right wing crackpot 114 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: conservatives and all that stuff. So it's an interesting coalition 115 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: Trump has. I think people are going to want to 116 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: move on from that, and I think having a fifty 117 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: nine year old black female president is a great way 118 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: to do it. 119 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: Hey, So what fascinates me is that the Republicans have 120 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: been told to stop calling her a dei higher Now. 121 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: That suggests to me that they want to stop that 122 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: because they realize that actually being a black woman is 123 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: a point for her. That's actually a good point, not 124 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: a negative point. Is that how you read it? 125 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Well? I think it probably is. That's part of it. 126 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: But I think the real is there are a lot 127 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: of middle class women in the suburbs who used toly 128 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: in Republican now have been turned off by Trump. That's 129 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: why Biden won in Georgia, which was really unexpected last time. 130 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: So I think it's more fear. I mean, I think 131 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: the Republican leadership is just as racist as the Republican backbenchers. 132 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: It's just that they are understanding that if they lose 133 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: Republican women in the suburbs, they lose the election, which 134 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: is exactly what happened when Biden won. And it's exactly 135 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: how Raphael, we're not. We have a black man and 136 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: a Jewish man as senators from Georgia in the Deep South. 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: That would not have happened had it not been for 138 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 2: Trump and the decay of the Republican, descent of the 139 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: Republican Party and hate and anger. 140 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: Howard, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for 141 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: your time, mate. Look after yourself. That's Howard Deem, the 142 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: former chair of the Democratic National Convention, also the former 143 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: governor of Vermont. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 144 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 145 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.