1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,547 Speaker 1: from NEWSTALKSB. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:16,067 Speaker 2: Sundays are our opportunity to hear from James mcconey. 4 00:00:16,147 --> 00:00:19,587 Speaker 3: Hello, mate, get a piney. Nice to be on the 5 00:00:19,627 --> 00:00:20,187 Speaker 3: show again. 6 00:00:20,707 --> 00:00:23,827 Speaker 2: It's good to have you with us. Yeah, each week change, Yes, 7 00:00:24,147 --> 00:00:26,627 Speaker 2: as a regular good toy in PC. I just threw 8 00:00:26,667 --> 00:00:31,787 Speaker 2: out the assertion I guess that anybody who doesn't support 9 00:00:31,827 --> 00:00:34,867 Speaker 2: Canterbury will be supporting otago is that you'll read on it. 10 00:00:36,107 --> 00:00:38,547 Speaker 3: Oh, it's tricky one because I quite like the cut 11 00:00:38,587 --> 00:00:42,147 Speaker 3: of Canterbury's gerb and the way they've played, and they 12 00:00:42,187 --> 00:00:45,067 Speaker 3: do have some underdog stories, you know new stub at 13 00:00:45,067 --> 00:00:48,787 Speaker 3: first five like who knew? I mean that there was 14 00:00:48,867 --> 00:00:51,427 Speaker 3: going to be somewhere he's going to excel. So I 15 00:00:51,507 --> 00:00:54,267 Speaker 3: quite like that fact. But yeah, if you if you 16 00:00:54,347 --> 00:00:57,787 Speaker 3: boil it down to a number of super rugby players, 17 00:00:58,347 --> 00:01:03,587 Speaker 3: then yeah, Canterbury are kind of stacked, especially that backline. 18 00:01:03,667 --> 00:01:07,067 Speaker 3: But look, I think it's ota go to the drought 19 00:01:07,107 --> 00:01:10,227 Speaker 3: that really draws you to them the first time. The 20 00:01:10,307 --> 00:01:12,827 Speaker 3: last time they won it was nineteen ninety eight. We're 21 00:01:12,827 --> 00:01:18,867 Speaker 3: talking Jeff Wilson, Josh Cronfeld, Kane Randall. I mean it's 22 00:01:18,907 --> 00:01:20,107 Speaker 3: a long time between drinks. 23 00:01:20,387 --> 00:01:21,907 Speaker 2: It is. It is a long time. But then you 24 00:01:21,987 --> 00:01:24,387 Speaker 2: think because I because I guess we default to the 25 00:01:24,427 --> 00:01:26,987 Speaker 2: setting of ah, yeah, but Canterbury won it every year, 26 00:01:27,427 --> 00:01:29,347 Speaker 2: but they don't. The last time they won it was 27 00:01:29,387 --> 00:01:33,467 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, which for a province like Canterbury. And I 28 00:01:33,507 --> 00:01:36,387 Speaker 2: know the Crusaders also when rugby matches down there, but 29 00:01:36,467 --> 00:01:38,187 Speaker 2: yet they haven't won it for eight years either. 30 00:01:39,307 --> 00:01:41,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean it's a good one because I 31 00:01:42,027 --> 00:01:45,267 Speaker 3: think these two teams have set the standard. They both 32 00:01:45,307 --> 00:01:48,227 Speaker 3: took the shield at different times and then Otago finally 33 00:01:48,267 --> 00:01:52,347 Speaker 3: took it off Canterbury. There's you know, there's some nice 34 00:01:52,467 --> 00:01:57,627 Speaker 3: kind of like cross provincial battles where you know, Christian leo' 35 00:01:57,627 --> 00:02:01,547 Speaker 3: willy is an absolute star for the Crusaders but he's 36 00:02:01,627 --> 00:02:06,987 Speaker 3: just so crucial. They're number eight for Otago, so they 37 00:02:07,027 --> 00:02:10,547 Speaker 3: know each other so well. I have heard that George 38 00:02:10,587 --> 00:02:13,667 Speaker 3: Bell and Sam Darry will not play in the final, 39 00:02:13,827 --> 00:02:17,747 Speaker 3: but I think there's enough depth for Canterbury to handle that. 40 00:02:18,267 --> 00:02:21,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree, and you look at the lineups. 41 00:02:21,547 --> 00:02:23,547 Speaker 2: But then having said that, James, you know, Otago went 42 00:02:23,627 --> 00:02:25,427 Speaker 2: up there and won the shield, didn't they? You know, 43 00:02:25,427 --> 00:02:27,667 Speaker 2: they won't have any fear going up is a state 44 00:02:27,747 --> 00:02:30,387 Speaker 2: highway one between Dunedin and christ each presumably it is. 45 00:02:30,507 --> 00:02:32,867 Speaker 2: They won't have any fear about going up that road, 46 00:02:32,907 --> 00:02:33,267 Speaker 2: will they? 47 00:02:34,027 --> 00:02:35,747 Speaker 3: It is? Yeah, it's the only tough part is the 48 00:02:35,747 --> 00:02:38,787 Speaker 3: holding your breath over the Rakaiah bridge, like there's you 49 00:02:38,827 --> 00:02:43,227 Speaker 3: know that's that can be tricky and probably not to 50 00:02:43,227 --> 00:02:47,867 Speaker 3: be attempted by everybody. But I reckon the way I 51 00:02:47,867 --> 00:02:51,427 Speaker 3: look at Otago is they're a blossoming team, right. So 52 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:55,307 Speaker 3: Dylan Pletcher at halfback, so young, so quirk. He's kind 53 00:02:55,307 --> 00:02:57,987 Speaker 3: of like Antoine DuPont before he hit the weight room, 54 00:02:58,067 --> 00:03:02,027 Speaker 3: you know. So he's just so such a firecracker as 55 00:03:02,027 --> 00:03:05,787 Speaker 3: a player. And then Lucas Casey, the ketty ketty kid 56 00:03:06,427 --> 00:03:10,027 Speaker 3: targo at number seven, scoring these crazy tries and I'm 57 00:03:10,027 --> 00:03:13,267 Speaker 3: the one that he's scored two against Canterbury but one 58 00:03:13,307 --> 00:03:16,587 Speaker 3: of them he left the fallback to standing like a statue. 59 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:20,147 Speaker 3: So he has got all the skills as well the offloads. 60 00:03:20,227 --> 00:03:23,507 Speaker 3: He's got the sunny bill fleck and I look at 61 00:03:23,507 --> 00:03:26,187 Speaker 3: that and think, okay, these are new stars coming through, 62 00:03:26,307 --> 00:03:30,547 Speaker 3: but they've done it well by assembling all these kind 63 00:03:30,587 --> 00:03:34,907 Speaker 3: of like veterans. You've still got Liam Coltman hanging around 64 00:03:34,987 --> 00:03:37,827 Speaker 3: off the bench, and you've got Thomas Umunger Jensen, who's 65 00:03:38,227 --> 00:03:40,867 Speaker 3: really an elite number twelve. So I like the way 66 00:03:40,867 --> 00:03:43,427 Speaker 3: a target play as well. It's kind of an exciting style. 67 00:03:43,787 --> 00:03:46,507 Speaker 2: Can of be more methodical, Yeah, should be a good 68 00:03:46,507 --> 00:03:49,707 Speaker 2: final five past four next Saturday. The A League season 69 00:03:49,787 --> 00:03:52,867 Speaker 2: is underway. Both Wellington Phoenix and Auckland FC had away 70 00:03:52,907 --> 00:03:56,347 Speaker 2: games last night. They both ended in draws. Auckland FC, 71 00:03:57,027 --> 00:04:02,227 Speaker 2: off the back of their astonishingly good first season, kind 72 00:04:02,227 --> 00:04:03,907 Speaker 2: of Hofton puffed a little bit and then lit all 73 00:04:04,027 --> 00:04:06,307 Speaker 2: draw against Melbourne victory. It kind of felt to me 74 00:04:06,507 --> 00:04:09,107 Speaker 2: like a typical first game of the season. I'm not 75 00:04:09,107 --> 00:04:09,907 Speaker 2: sure what you thought. 76 00:04:11,147 --> 00:04:14,867 Speaker 3: I thought Auckland they see looked a bit boring, so 77 00:04:15,347 --> 00:04:18,587 Speaker 3: that's I mean, I don't know. Sometimes in football you 78 00:04:18,587 --> 00:04:21,667 Speaker 3: get a bit spoiled watching Premier League and stuff and 79 00:04:20,947 --> 00:04:23,347 Speaker 3: the cut and trust of it. But yeah, they were 80 00:04:23,387 --> 00:04:27,067 Speaker 3: working each other out. There's a but the core is 81 00:04:27,107 --> 00:04:29,267 Speaker 3: still there for Auckland FC. I just feel like the 82 00:04:29,307 --> 00:04:32,667 Speaker 3: cunning edge was lacking a bit and there's a few 83 00:04:32,667 --> 00:04:36,107 Speaker 3: players out there he'll be wishing they had those shots back. 84 00:04:36,227 --> 00:04:41,707 Speaker 3: So look mate, they see the work on is shooting practice. 85 00:04:41,987 --> 00:04:43,987 Speaker 3: You should be able to volley off your weaker foot. 86 00:04:44,027 --> 00:04:46,107 Speaker 3: As my theory, you know, when the ball comes in 87 00:04:46,387 --> 00:04:49,027 Speaker 3: because of volley, you're just redirecting it. You're not having 88 00:04:49,067 --> 00:04:51,707 Speaker 3: to sort of like set the whole thing up. It's 89 00:04:51,707 --> 00:04:54,867 Speaker 3: like you could potentially volley with your with your wrong 90 00:04:54,907 --> 00:04:57,267 Speaker 3: hand in tennis, but you're not going to be able 91 00:04:57,307 --> 00:04:58,947 Speaker 3: to serve that. Well. Does that make sense? 92 00:04:59,187 --> 00:04:59,507 Speaker 1: It does? 93 00:04:59,587 --> 00:05:01,627 Speaker 2: It makes Yes, I know exactly where you're going with that. 94 00:05:01,787 --> 00:05:04,107 Speaker 2: Exactly where you're going. Yes, and Nila all in that game. 95 00:05:04,147 --> 00:05:07,107 Speaker 2: And then late late last night about living forty five 96 00:05:07,107 --> 00:05:10,147 Speaker 2: out time the Phoenix kicked off against Perth Glory over 97 00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:13,907 Speaker 2: in Perth and by midnight they were already too kneeled down. 98 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:18,027 Speaker 2: I was starting to really worry about Wellington Phoenix. But 99 00:05:18,107 --> 00:05:20,507 Speaker 2: after that I thought they were very good. 100 00:05:21,547 --> 00:05:23,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you were reading their last rites, Poney, 101 00:05:23,747 --> 00:05:27,747 Speaker 3: you got a priest and and everything, but I was 102 00:05:29,547 --> 00:05:33,147 Speaker 3: I was concerned for them as well Wellington Phoenix and 103 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:36,587 Speaker 3: really nicer way strip though cream with the with the 104 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:39,707 Speaker 3: green trim and the green numbers, sort of very County 105 00:05:39,987 --> 00:05:43,867 Speaker 3: Cricket as shif you like. But they they started the ship. 106 00:05:43,907 --> 00:05:48,627 Speaker 3: They've got things going again. Where I guess Chief the coach, 107 00:05:48,707 --> 00:05:53,707 Speaker 3: he loves to tempt the other team into their into 108 00:05:53,787 --> 00:05:56,987 Speaker 3: the trap and then and the encounter, and I thought 109 00:05:57,027 --> 00:06:00,027 Speaker 3: there was that their goals were really really good Wellington Phoenix. 110 00:06:00,387 --> 00:06:04,067 Speaker 3: I do have grave concerns about their defense, but hopefully 111 00:06:04,147 --> 00:06:06,827 Speaker 3: Chief has got a plan for that. But yeah, you. 112 00:06:06,747 --> 00:06:09,187 Speaker 2: Know, I'm not a bad point to win over in Perth, 113 00:06:09,547 --> 00:06:11,547 Speaker 2: absolutely not from two all down. You take two wall 114 00:06:11,627 --> 00:06:13,267 Speaker 2: every day of the week. And you're right. Their defense 115 00:06:13,747 --> 00:06:15,947 Speaker 2: they played a high line and it looked like absolute 116 00:06:15,947 --> 00:06:19,027 Speaker 2: suicide for the first twenty minutes, but maybe they were 117 00:06:19,067 --> 00:06:20,707 Speaker 2: just getting used to it. But the two goals, you're right, 118 00:06:20,747 --> 00:06:23,387 Speaker 2: were really well constructed and there's a bit of promise there, 119 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:26,267 Speaker 2: particularly from a couple of the new players staying with football. 120 00:06:26,307 --> 00:06:29,907 Speaker 2: Aposta Cooglu has been shown the door at Nottingham Forest 121 00:06:30,347 --> 00:06:32,587 Speaker 2: just over a month after he took over his boss. 122 00:06:32,627 --> 00:06:35,307 Speaker 2: I think it's if it's not the shortest tenure in 123 00:06:35,347 --> 00:06:37,747 Speaker 2: Premier League history, then it's pretty close to it. We 124 00:06:37,867 --> 00:06:40,667 Speaker 2: know Chris Wood is at Nottingham Forest. What did you 125 00:06:40,707 --> 00:06:41,307 Speaker 2: make of all of this. 126 00:06:42,987 --> 00:06:45,987 Speaker 3: I think it was always doomed, like it was just 127 00:06:46,027 --> 00:06:48,507 Speaker 3: a terrible idea to suck a really good coach that 128 00:06:48,547 --> 00:06:50,627 Speaker 3: they had in the first place and bringing in hand 129 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:54,107 Speaker 3: who has his own ways and systems. Unless it's aligned 130 00:06:54,147 --> 00:06:56,907 Speaker 3: with what Forests have been doing in the past two years, 131 00:06:56,947 --> 00:07:00,067 Speaker 3: why even bother? You know. That was my feeling. So 132 00:07:00,107 --> 00:07:02,347 Speaker 3: I feel sorry for Hange and the sense that I 133 00:07:02,387 --> 00:07:06,027 Speaker 3: think it was a hospital pass. Eight games, six losses 134 00:07:06,107 --> 00:07:10,227 Speaker 3: and who draws. They lost to Chelsea last night overnight 135 00:07:10,387 --> 00:07:14,147 Speaker 3: three nol seventeen minutes after full time. He was sacked, 136 00:07:14,587 --> 00:07:20,867 Speaker 3: so their owner is crazy, Nottingham Forest, So even taking 137 00:07:20,867 --> 00:07:24,707 Speaker 3: the job I think was a bit of a trap, 138 00:07:24,787 --> 00:07:27,427 Speaker 3: you know. But Chris Wood was on the bench when 139 00:07:27,427 --> 00:07:29,427 Speaker 3: they had a couple of good chances early in the game, 140 00:07:29,507 --> 00:07:32,667 Speaker 3: so I think, well, come on, Inge, I mean, you 141 00:07:32,707 --> 00:07:36,947 Speaker 3: can't take we made the Premier League Team of the Year. Okay. 142 00:07:37,267 --> 00:07:40,427 Speaker 3: I know he's just a kiwi to you, but everybody 143 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:42,387 Speaker 3: over there is one of the best strikers in the league, 144 00:07:42,427 --> 00:07:43,587 Speaker 3: So what are you doing mate? 145 00:07:43,947 --> 00:07:47,307 Speaker 2: Indeed, I think they're talking about Sean Doush being a 146 00:07:47,347 --> 00:07:52,147 Speaker 2: potential replacement for Yeah, but he was I think wasn't 147 00:07:52,187 --> 00:07:55,627 Speaker 2: he No, No, yes he was. He was Chris Wood, 148 00:07:56,027 --> 00:07:59,347 Speaker 2: Chris Wood's boss at Burnley. Wasn't he when Chris Yeah, 149 00:07:59,427 --> 00:08:02,667 Speaker 2: so he's a fan of Chris Wood. So that's good, 150 00:08:02,787 --> 00:08:03,947 Speaker 2: isn't it? 151 00:08:03,947 --> 00:08:06,147 Speaker 3: It should be he should realize that Chris Wood is 152 00:08:06,147 --> 00:08:07,867 Speaker 3: a there's a lot better player than what he had 153 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:09,987 Speaker 3: at Burnley because I think he used to sort of 154 00:08:10,307 --> 00:08:12,467 Speaker 3: have him on the bench a little bit. Not always, 155 00:08:12,507 --> 00:08:14,987 Speaker 3: but yeah, they had a sort of a strike duo there. 156 00:08:15,027 --> 00:08:17,827 Speaker 3: I forget the name of the other guy, but yeah, 157 00:08:18,027 --> 00:08:21,107 Speaker 3: Chris Wood now is you know, he's a complete package 158 00:08:21,187 --> 00:08:24,387 Speaker 3: and whoever takes over needs to recognize that. Yeah, I've 159 00:08:24,387 --> 00:08:27,947 Speaker 3: lost a couple of players, but to be honest, Forrests 160 00:08:27,947 --> 00:08:31,147 Speaker 3: shouldn't be where they are. And Andrew was probably, I 161 00:08:31,147 --> 00:08:34,507 Speaker 3: mean they had to do something and it's probably fair. 162 00:08:35,147 --> 00:08:38,947 Speaker 2: Fun fact about Sean dish for you he played alongside 163 00:08:38,987 --> 00:08:42,227 Speaker 2: Paul Eiffel at Millwall. 164 00:08:42,587 --> 00:08:44,667 Speaker 3: Millwall, nobody likes us, we don't care. 165 00:08:46,107 --> 00:08:48,947 Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, look I didn't you didn't greek that 166 00:08:49,067 --> 00:08:52,067 Speaker 2: with the enthusiasm I hope for from a fun fact, 167 00:08:52,267 --> 00:08:54,267 Speaker 2: that's okay. 168 00:08:54,147 --> 00:08:56,627 Speaker 3: Maybe Tim k a young Tim ca Whle was there. 169 00:08:56,627 --> 00:08:58,907 Speaker 3: I'm not sure he was good players that have gone 170 00:08:58,947 --> 00:09:00,627 Speaker 3: through there sharing him as well. 171 00:09:01,027 --> 00:09:03,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely no, No Millwall yeah, a bit of a 172 00:09:03,667 --> 00:09:04,827 Speaker 2: backwater when it comes to. 173 00:09:06,387 --> 00:09:06,467 Speaker 1: It. 174 00:09:06,507 --> 00:09:09,067 Speaker 2: Wow, I won't. I won't finish that sentence. James. Good 175 00:09:09,067 --> 00:09:11,067 Speaker 2: to chat to you mate. Shall we do it again 176 00:09:11,147 --> 00:09:11,667 Speaker 2: nixt Sunday? 177 00:09:12,267 --> 00:09:14,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, why not. I'm around if you, if you, if 178 00:09:14,627 --> 00:09:16,467 Speaker 3: you have me. Thanks pining always here. 179 00:09:17,307 --> 00:09:20,307 Speaker 2: Good on you, James. James mccaroney huge part of our Sundays. 180 00:09:20,707 --> 00:09:23,867 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 181 00:09:23,987 --> 00:09:27,267 Speaker 1: to News Talk st B weekends from midday or follow 182 00:09:27,307 --> 00:09:28,907 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio