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Speaker 2: Hello you Goring New Zealand. As welb to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number one five six for the eighth

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Speaker 2: of July twenty twenty five. It's a Tuesday. Had a

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Speaker 2: fantastic show, threaded the needle on a complex chat around

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Speaker 2: just to a Durna which you should come back for

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Speaker 2: the Royal inquiry into the COVID nineteen response with some

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Speaker 2: great calls on that. We also, boy, oh boy, we

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Speaker 2: found out something shocking and terrifying about the Kadrona hotel.

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Speaker 2: You certainly did in Kadrona, yeah obviously, Yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That was a hell of a story that one. And

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Speaker 3: also we talked about the the mushroom cock verdict and

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Speaker 3: you had a hell of a theory fifty I've come up.

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Speaker 2: With a theory. I think halfway through the show I

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Speaker 2: solved the whole motive of the mushroom lady.

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Speaker 3: It's absolute insenate toy. I mean you have to listen

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Speaker 3: to it and it will blow your mind how crazy

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Speaker 2: Well, so crazy, it's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Yeah, it's going to be a hell of a

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk

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Speaker 3: Very very good Afternoons You welcome into Tuesday show. Yet

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Speaker 3: a Mattay.

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Speaker 2: He forgot to do it, my mic on. We're six

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Speaker 2: months into the job. Yeah, one day back from Donner's

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Speaker 2: and we're all already forgotten with Mike's been on holiday.

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Speaker 2: Forgot how to press that one button I have to press. Shameful.

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Speaker 2: What I was going to say, Tyler, it's so fantastic

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Speaker 2: to be back here in Auckland with you and looking

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Speaker 2: into your beautiful brown eyes.

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Speaker 3: You're nice to see you as well. Mane, you're looking good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you my beautiful green eyes. Yeah green eyes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: beautiful mate. Anyway, we've gone off topic here. What I

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Speaker 2: was going to say was I've got the ultimate saying. Yep,

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Speaker 2: the ultimate saying. If you're trying to lose weight, becau

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Speaker 2: I'm running a marathon. At the end of the year

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Speaker 2: you are, and I don't want to carry an extra

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Speaker 2: ten kg around the whole forty two k right.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So I'm on the big cut. Okay, I'm on the

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Speaker 2: cut for running the marathon.

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Speaker 3: Rut your man shake right there?

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep. So someone told me this when I wasn't dneeded.

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Speaker 2: You're not hungry, you're thirsty. You're not hungry, you're thirsty.

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Speaker 2: See that's the thing, your mind, your brain doesn't know

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Speaker 2: the difference between hungry and thirsty. So often we eat

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Speaker 2: just because we need, but when we actually need a

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Speaker 2: glass of water. Right, And I've been on the record

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Speaker 2: before saying I find water too boring to drink. So

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Speaker 2: I found these little droplets, these little flavor droplets that

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Speaker 2: glass of water. So you're not hungry, you're thirsty. So

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Speaker 2: just try that, maybe try a glass of water and

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Speaker 2: don't if you think water's too boring, just a couple

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Speaker 2: They're really good. There must be nuclear nuclear strength flavor

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Speaker 3: That really annoys me because I thought what was going

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Speaker 3: that that's a good saying. Actually that the Mormons do

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Speaker 3: that when they because they live a long time, the Mormons,

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Speaker 3: and they make sure they drink plenty of water and

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Speaker 3: then they don't have to have so much food.

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Speaker 3: I heard if you're listening sweet leaf, we wouldn't mind

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Speaker 2: But anyway, just just try this. People, if you're about

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Speaker 3: So you're on the man shakes, you're on the water.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen real food in the past six months. Yeah. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Make it up for lost time. Right to today's show.

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Speaker 3: It as a doozy. After three o'clock, the sale of

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Speaker 3: a one hundred and sixty two year old Kadrona hotel

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Speaker 3: most viewed for sale property. Gavin Lloyd he is the

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Speaker 2: Wow, So it's everyone knows that it's possibly the most

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Speaker 2: We could become publicans. We could be pillars of that

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Speaker 2: small community in the Codrona Valley. This beautiful life, meeting

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'd watch that TV show.

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Speaker 2: It's a very romantic idea, and I think a lot

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Speaker 2: because maybe maybe there's some things we should look out

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Speaker 3: Yeap, if you've been through something similar, we'd love to

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Speaker 3: after seven weeks of evidence, six days of summing up,

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Speaker 2: And in that time, yeah, you wondered whether because it's

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Speaker 2: thought we'd open it up to the callers. What do

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's going to be a great chat after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: as we know the second second phase of the COVID

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Speaker 3: nineteen inquiry has begun. Many voices so far from business,

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Speaker 3: tourism and events. They're vented frustration over the COVID response.

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Speaker 3: The Royal Commission of Inquiry will run until Thursday, but

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Speaker 3: many are still asking the question if former Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Cindra Adurn will be called up to weigh in. It

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Speaker 3: has been reported that the Royal Commission of an Inquiry

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Speaker 3: has requested that she does appear or give information and evidence.

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Speaker 3: She can't be compelled to return if she is overseas,

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Speaker 2: Yees so one undred and eighty ten eighty. If the

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Speaker 2: for future pandemic, which it states to be, surely she

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Speaker 2: would like to help. So, you know, if the government

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Speaker 3: You know what, do you call it? A state of

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Speaker 3: emergency type powers oversight on pretty much everything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or it is the whole thing just to

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Speaker 3: of course, was in with Kerrie Woodham this morning and

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Speaker 6: I'm being cautious not too to venture a comment on that.

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Speaker 6: And it's not because I'm trying to avoid it. It's

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Speaker 6: because a Royal Commission needs to operate independently and I

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Speaker 6: don't think me or David Seymour should be telling them

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Speaker 6: who they should and shouldn't be calling to appear before them.

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Speaker 7: But isn't it the moral thing to do, like if

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Speaker 7: it defines your government. The only reason you got back in.

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Speaker 2: Was because of the COVID response.

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Speaker 6: And as I said, I'm not telling the Royal Commission

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Speaker 7: But do you think that it would make sense for

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm not trying to dodge it because I'm trying

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Speaker 6: to be cute. I just don't think it's appropriate for

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Speaker 6: me to tell the Royal Commission or Jinder Idurn how

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Speaker 6: they should be approaching it. I think those are questions

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Speaker 6: for them, not for me.

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Speaker 7: Do you think that there are concerns for Justinder A

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Speaker 7: Dune's safety coming back here?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know, having spoken Toesinda on a number

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Speaker 6: be upfront about that. And they're not They're not idle threats.

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Speaker 6: These are serious threats to her safety and that of

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Speaker 7: Will you be attending in person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, should just into a Deurn morally? Should she be

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Speaker 3: Yep, let's get into it. It is seventeen past one.

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon. She It is twenty past

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Speaker 3: Plenty of great teas coming through this one, says Hi.

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Speaker 3: B twenty six pass one. Should our former Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean if that's the case, then the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the safety part of it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: What what is the travel allowance? I'm just sort of

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Speaker 10: It just says all their fairs, their all their travel.

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Speaker 2: What about Morley Graham? So outside say she didn't get

438
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Speaker 2: this travel. You know that they get the travel paid

439
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Speaker 2: for by the government.

440
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Speaker 10: And well, she came from the what do they call it,

441
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Speaker 10: the something truth.

442
00:19:23,893 --> 00:19:27,213
Speaker 11: And she used a single truth, that's it.

443
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Speaker 10: And she used to come out and say we should

444
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Speaker 10: do this, we should do that. Now we're saying that

445
00:19:32,893 --> 00:19:35,213
Speaker 10: she should do that, and that is come back and

446
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Speaker 10: tell us what she thought should have been done or

447
00:19:38,613 --> 00:19:39,493
Speaker 10: shouldn't have been done.

448
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Speaker 2: Well, there's no way, even if she is very happy

449
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Speaker 2: and proud of her response, there's absolutely no way that

450
00:19:47,933 --> 00:19:50,133
Speaker 2: there weren't mistakes and weren't things that could have been

451
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Speaker 2: done better. I mean, we've never you go.

452
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Speaker 10: So we've never had an apology. We've never had an

453
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Speaker 10: apology about all the people that weren't allowed back, all

454
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Speaker 10: the residents and New Zealanders that weren't allowed back in

455
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Speaker 10: the untry. They had to go into a rattle. And

456
00:20:05,533 --> 00:20:09,333
Speaker 10: then there was all the people that had a family

457
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Speaker 10: that died and they couldn't see them. It was torture

458
00:20:12,293 --> 00:20:15,133
Speaker 10: looking through a window at a rest home with their

459
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Speaker 10: loved ones in bed dying there, and they couldn't even

460
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Speaker 10: say goodbye to them all go and touch them or

461
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Speaker 10: hold their hand. I'm sure you know there should be

462
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Speaker 10: an apology for that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Graham. That was

464
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Speaker 2: an interesting one. Always for me. I believe that there

465
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Speaker 2: should be some absolutely carved in stones things that New

466
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Speaker 2: Zealand citizens get, and one of them that is, if

467
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Speaker 2: you've got a passport, you have to be able to

468
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Speaker 2: get back into this country. You have to be allowed

469
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Speaker 2: back into the country. If you've got a passport, exactly.

470
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Speaker 2: You can't be a loss if you've got a solution

471
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Speaker 2: to a problem that involves not allowing people back into

472
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Speaker 2: the country who have a New Zealand passport, then I

473
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Speaker 2: don't think you've got a solution to the problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nicely said I can't disagree with that. O

475
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Speaker 3: one hundred eighty eight ten eighty is the number to call.

476
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Speaker 3: And I'll just mention to Ian Taylor, of all people,

477
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Speaker 3: he spoke to Ryan Bridge last night and he did

478
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Speaker 3: agree that our former Prime Minister Disner Adune should appear.

479
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Speaker 3: And Sir Ian Taylor, I think he's been known to

480
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Speaker 3: be on a certain side of the political realm and

481
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Speaker 3: very interesting to hear his thoughts. But he was why

482
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Speaker 3: he tried to play a part in the early days

483
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Speaker 3: of COVID nineteen with ideas on how people could have

484
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Speaker 3: a bit more freedom of movement. So clearly there are

485
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Speaker 3: a lot of people across the political aisle who think

486
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Speaker 3: it is a good idea for not just our Prime minister,

487
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Speaker 3: but a lot of people involved to come back to

488
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Speaker 3: give evidence.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Ann Taylor said that the bee kind and team of

491
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Speaker 2: five million messages rang hollow as the pandemic progressed as

492
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Speaker 2: a quote from him. Let them do their inquiry by zoom.

493
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Speaker 2: Call says this text the safest option for Jacinda and

494
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Speaker 2: her family because there are far too many loonies here

495
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Speaker 2: in New Zealand who hate her. An apology from Jacinda

496
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Speaker 2: is not going to fix anything.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 2: I always think it's interesting with apologies. What do apologies do?

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm just I'll mull that over.

500
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Speaker 3: Whether an apology would fix anything? Maybe not. Would it

501
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Speaker 3: give anybody gratification? Probably not?

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, I mean I'm always apologizing in my private lives.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a word sent to It is twenty eight

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Speaker 3: to two. Back very shortly here on New Storks 'db.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we are talking about

527
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Speaker 3: our former Prime Minister Dame Jacinda Adoun should she return

528
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Speaker 3: to this country to give evidence to the Royal Commission

529
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Speaker 3: of Inquiry into the COVID nineteen resports.

530
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Speaker 2: And we're talking to Graham on the phone. Before one

531
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighteen, he was saying, well, she's

532
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Speaker 2: paid a annuity, so she is being paid still by

533
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Speaker 2: the taxpayers. Yep, so she has that's part of the

534
00:23:56,813 --> 00:23:59,173
Speaker 2: moral obligation that she has to come back and speak

535
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Speaker 2: to this royal inquiry. So I just thought i'd get

536
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Speaker 2: to the bottom of the facts of this.

537
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, right, So how much?

538
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Speaker 2: So they receive an annual annuity exprementis is calculated at

539
00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:10,333
Speaker 2: ten thousand, nine hundred per full years served, up to

540
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Speaker 2: a maximum of fifty four thousand, five hundred a year.

541
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Speaker 2: So she was over five years, so she would get

542
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Speaker 2: fifty four thousand, five hundred a year from as an annuity.

543
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Speaker 3: Not bad.

544
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Speaker 2: And upon their death, their surviving spouse or partner is

545
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Speaker 2: eligible for half of that amount. Now, the travel entitlements,

546
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Speaker 2: because I think we might have led you astray a

547
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Speaker 2: bit before, or Graham might have, but you know, blessed Graham,

548
00:24:33,293 --> 00:24:36,133
Speaker 2: great cool. Former Prime minises and their spouses or partners

549
00:24:36,133 --> 00:24:39,653
Speaker 2: are entitled to travel services within New Zealand, covering trips

550
00:24:39,653 --> 00:24:42,893
Speaker 2: made in connection with commitments related to their former office,

551
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Speaker 2: not for private or employment purposes. So if she's flying

552
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Speaker 2: first class from New York to Hawaii for a holiday, yep,

553
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Speaker 2: she doesn't.

554
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Speaker 3: Get she's coffing up for that.

555
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's coughing up for that. Yeah, I'm not sure.

556
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Speaker 2: I'm still trying to find out what the security protection

557
00:24:58,973 --> 00:25:01,453
Speaker 2: an expromise that gets going forward to be interesting, find out

558
00:25:01,493 --> 00:25:01,893
Speaker 2: what that is.

559
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Speaker 3: Jane. How are you this afternoon, Fie?

560
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Speaker 14: I'm setting really good.

561
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Speaker 15: Chada?

562
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Speaker 14: How are you?

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Very good. What's your thought about the former prime minister?

564
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Speaker 3: Should she come back and give evidence?

565
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Speaker 16: Well?

566
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Speaker 14: I can't say absolutely she should, and she doesn't need

567
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Speaker 14: to have all her family with her. She managed to

568
00:25:18,973 --> 00:25:20,933
Speaker 14: do these things without them holding on to her.

569
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Speaker 17: Now.

570
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Speaker 14: Her job was what she did. She did it poorly,

571
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Speaker 14: in my opinion. She locked everybody away. She sat up

572
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Speaker 14: there at lunch time. I didn't watch it at lunchtime,

573
00:25:33,813 --> 00:25:38,693
Speaker 14: with what's his name? Who's gone south now? And the doctor.

574
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Speaker 3: Bluefield I had, I didn't.

575
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Speaker 15: Sorry.

576
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Speaker 14: I wasn't the greatest fan of any of them, so

577
00:25:48,533 --> 00:25:51,613
Speaker 14: I try not to mention their names. I have forgotten them.

578
00:25:52,973 --> 00:25:56,893
Speaker 14: They should those three alone should be their answering questions,

579
00:25:57,013 --> 00:26:00,893
Speaker 14: because together they made these decisions that ruined people's lives.

580
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Speaker 14: She wouldn't set them. She played the biggest I am

581
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Speaker 14: I've ever been the ever come across she personally, she

582
00:26:09,413 --> 00:26:12,973
Speaker 14: up hit my family. When my husband died, my daughter

583
00:26:13,053 --> 00:26:15,253
Speaker 14: would have been away and she made the trip home.

584
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Speaker 14: She got into the hotel at for thirty in the

585
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Speaker 14: afternoon and the funeral started at once and she wasn't

586
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Speaker 14: allowed out later. She also fed all the wrong food

587
00:26:31,253 --> 00:26:34,133
Speaker 14: to the Maori children up north to get them to

588
00:26:34,133 --> 00:26:36,693
Speaker 14: come to have an injection. Now, I had all the

589
00:26:36,733 --> 00:26:40,733
Speaker 14: injections recent not recently, about two months ago, had the

590
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Speaker 14: one purned out. It's my choice. I didn't. My doctors

591
00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:49,213
Speaker 14: said they're available. It's my choice, and I never touch

592
00:26:49,453 --> 00:26:53,533
Speaker 14: would have never had any problem with COVID. My husband,

593
00:26:53,573 --> 00:26:56,093
Speaker 14: who was dying a cancer that did exactly the same thing.

594
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Speaker 14: He had rip me out. He didn't get COVID.

595
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Speaker 2: What what would you do just I mean, this is

596
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Speaker 2: kind of off topic, Jane, from what we're talking about

597
00:27:06,053 --> 00:27:08,133
Speaker 2: and the moral obligation for an ex prime minister to

598
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Speaker 2: come and talk to a Royal inquiry. But what do

599
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Speaker 2: you think just you know, a couple of things that

600
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Speaker 2: you would have done different. And of course we're looking back.

601
00:27:15,813 --> 00:27:17,333
Speaker 2: In the heat of the moment, people are going to

602
00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:19,293
Speaker 2: make mistakes. But looking back now because that's what the

603
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,693
Speaker 2: Royal Inquiry is about, is so, so you know the

604
00:27:21,693 --> 00:27:25,013
Speaker 2: core purpose is to strengthen our response for future pandemics.

605
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Speaker 2: So what do you think could have been done different? Jane?

606
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Speaker 14: About everything? Honestly, just about everything, I mean completely ruined

607
00:27:37,453 --> 00:27:39,893
Speaker 14: the children's education. I would say, they're not draw a

608
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Speaker 14: year one nta one. They don't have to do that.

609
00:27:43,613 --> 00:27:45,533
Speaker 14: There's a lot of children that would have been disappointed.

610
00:27:45,853 --> 00:27:48,093
Speaker 14: The rest of them would have been absolutely thrilled to

611
00:27:48,613 --> 00:27:52,333
Speaker 14: get it for nothing. Well, that doesn't help in this years,

612
00:27:52,373 --> 00:27:55,453
Speaker 14: in the next years exams, that won't help them when

613
00:27:55,453 --> 00:27:58,813
Speaker 14: they go to the university or to try to get

614
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Speaker 14: into building and all the other things that I mean,

615
00:28:03,613 --> 00:28:06,333
Speaker 14: anything they wished to do. They were part of that

616
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:08,653
Speaker 14: year that was given it, which meant them lazy and

617
00:28:08,693 --> 00:28:10,973
Speaker 14: they got they and you won't hear anything else out

618
00:28:11,013 --> 00:28:13,292
Speaker 14: of me from that. It was just the way that

619
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Speaker 14: she'd say, God with our lives.

620
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think if you call Jane, yeah, yeah, and you

622
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:20,213
Speaker 3: made that very clear. And look, there'll be a lot

623
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Speaker 3: of people feeling as Jane feels. Clearly it hit her

624
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Speaker 3: on a personal level.

625
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Speaker 2: I wonder if the expre Minister believes that she could

626
00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:33,773
Speaker 2: prove to someone like Jane by talking to the Royal

627
00:28:33,773 --> 00:28:37,173
Speaker 2: Inquiry and show why the decisions were made.

628
00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:39,773
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that would go a long way. And

629
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Speaker 3: talk about apology. I don't know about apologies, but absolutely

630
00:28:42,733 --> 00:28:44,933
Speaker 3: explaining and giving the context.

631
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Speaker 2: Every step of the way why you made this decision

632
00:28:48,213 --> 00:28:50,493
Speaker 2: while people say, well, look look what it's done to

633
00:28:50,893 --> 00:28:53,293
Speaker 2: education in our country. Yep, you know, look what it's

634
00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:56,013
Speaker 2: done to you know, our economy, all these kind of things.

635
00:28:56,053 --> 00:28:59,293
Speaker 2: An answer every question and this is why we did it,

636
00:28:59,493 --> 00:29:01,173
Speaker 2: this is why we had to do it at that point.

637
00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:03,413
Speaker 3: I want to see that the thought processes because, as

638
00:29:03,453 --> 00:29:06,213
Speaker 3: you said before, when and it was a situation that

639
00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:09,853
Speaker 3: was unprecedented and I hate that word was around the world.

640
00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:12,293
Speaker 3: There was confusion about what was the right way forward,

641
00:29:12,293 --> 00:29:15,493
Speaker 3: but there were no mistakes made. But to front up

642
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:18,373
Speaker 3: and say we got it wrong, but here's why we

643
00:29:18,453 --> 00:29:20,573
Speaker 3: made that decision at the time, I think would go

644
00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:25,653
Speaker 3: some way to not alleviating or offering an apology, but

645
00:29:25,733 --> 00:29:29,493
Speaker 3: an explanation is the very least that should be offered here.

646
00:29:29,693 --> 00:29:31,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you read a book?

647
00:29:31,413 --> 00:29:32,613
Speaker 3: No? I haven't you?

648
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:36,293
Speaker 2: No, Well, but my understanding is that there's not a

649
00:29:36,373 --> 00:29:38,373
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of that sort of meat.

650
00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:40,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I haven't read it. Yeah, Oh eight.

651
00:29:40,853 --> 00:29:42,773
Speaker 2: Hundred meat around the COVID response in there.

652
00:29:42,773 --> 00:29:44,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

653
00:29:44,973 --> 00:29:49,013
Speaker 3: Love your thoughts, It is eighteen to two, the issues that.

654
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Speaker 1: Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon. Sure, it is a quarter

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Speaker 3: to two. And we have asked the question, should our

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Speaker 3: former Prime Minister Dame Dame just into a douring return

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand to give evidence to the Royal Commission

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Speaker 3: of Inquiry morally? Morally?

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Speaker 2: Morally, Yeah, is something that she should do because if

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Speaker 2: she's over sees, they can't compel her to come back

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: But the question is should a prime minister that was

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Speaker 2: in charge during that time be Is it behoven to

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Speaker 2: her morally to come back? I said that right now?

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Speaker 3: You said that beautifully. How are you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nice to chat. So you you think that she

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Speaker 3: doesn't need to return necessarily, Lynn.

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Speaker 18: So I believe I would think from what I know

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Speaker 18: about governments, I would think they will no doubt be

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Speaker 18: sending just in the questions that she will no doubt

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Speaker 18: the answering. And I believe Auckland have a different perspective

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Speaker 18: than us through the down I have on the way

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Speaker 18: things wink.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Matt you you were up here during

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Speaker 3: that time, me and Lynn warns. Is that a fair statement?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't think there's many people that

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Speaker 2: support that, that that final lockdown, the length of it.

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Speaker 2: I think even the most ardent supporters of the response

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Speaker 2: would would question the you know, the rationale of that,

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Speaker 2: the length of the last lockdown when we were waiting

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Speaker 2: for numbers to change that we could have no say

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Speaker 2: on you know that that. I mean, boy up here

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Speaker 2: while watching all you people around the rest of the

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Speaker 2: country partying and skipping around and going to bars.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'm an out hunger, so we went partying and

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Speaker 18: tearing on here.

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Speaker 2: We Sorry, I was talking to Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was talking to me specifically, nobody else.

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Speaker 18: I know my sister, she's in mostun and I know

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Speaker 18: they were pretty free, but she wore masks where she

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Speaker 18: went me because she's eighteenth. They were like South Island

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Speaker 18: were quite open. But my husband's a teacher and he

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Speaker 18: had online teaching, which wasn't pain in the bus we

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Speaker 18: were we had COVID ourselves. We called it from school.

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Speaker 18: So yes, I think she should. She will. I would

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Speaker 18: think she will be answering the questions they had for her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, okay, well yeah, we'll see though we

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Speaker 2: haven't got an answer on that yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I get where Limb's coming from.

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Speaker 3: But at the very least, and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: are teaching this that she could give evidence via a

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Speaker 3: video link. Would you have any issue with that? I

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Speaker 3: think the bare minimum. And I've set through one of

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Speaker 3: these Royal Commissions of Inquiry with Pike River and there

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Speaker 3: is no stone left unturned. If they can help it,

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Speaker 3: if they can compel people. It is very in depth

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Speaker 3: type of inquiry. And the ability to see somebody, to

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Speaker 3: see their mannerisms and to see them present, and to

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Speaker 3: try try and challenge some of the things they're saying

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Speaker 3: that is incredibly important. That is something you cannot get

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Speaker 3: from a written statement. Written statement is a cop out.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be a video, you know, turn up

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Speaker 3: via video link or in person hopefully and be challenged

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Speaker 3: by some of the questions from the lawyers and others

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Speaker 3: that will be there.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says, I agree with the other text. This

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Speaker 2: kind of discussion and inquiry will lead to more death

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Speaker 2: next time there is a pandemic. I bet you were

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Speaker 2: a kind of dirt bag who didn't wear a mask.

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Speaker 2: Truth be known, we should still be wearing masks. But

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists like you are willing to risk lives. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the stuff I mean, we haven't actually given any opinion

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Speaker 2: on anything. Exactically, it would be a ridiculous claims the

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Speaker 2: sext a head that you shouldn't have an inquiry to anything,

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Speaker 2: because I think the idea of this inquiry is quite

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Speaker 2: the opposite from risking lives. Yeah, it's to strengthen our

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Speaker 2: response in the future.

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Speaker 3: We are used to being accused of crimes we haven't committed.

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Speaker 3: But keep those texts coming through. On nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 3: take your quick break and more of your calls. If

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Speaker 3: you can't get through, keep trying. Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty, it's eleven two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls. On eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath and Tylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks, EDB. Great to have your company. We are

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Speaker 3: talking about Dame Jacinda doing the former Prime minister and

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Speaker 3: ask the question should she return to New Zealand in

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Speaker 3: person to give evidence at the Royal Commission of a quarry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're in the gray era of morality, so

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Speaker 2: we're asking should morally speaking, should she return this Texas

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Speaker 2: says I worked in a frontline role on pandemic planning,

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Speaker 2: specifically around how to deal with mass casualties. I sat

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Speaker 2: in on briefings every morning. I was told to prepare

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Speaker 2: for twenty percent of our population to die. We were

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Speaker 2: sourcing refrigerated shipping containers and secure areas for storage as

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Speaker 2: we were told our mortuaries would be overwhelmed. I spoke

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Speaker 2: with a family member who was also leading the response,

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Speaker 2: but from a health perspective. She was shocked and couldn't

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Speaker 2: believe the numbers I was being told. She was receiving

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Speaker 2: the complete opposite info both government organizations. Who the heck

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Speaker 2: was coming up with the numbers and the modeling. If

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Speaker 2: we were receiving wildly different modeling, then who was briefing

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Speaker 2: the Prime minister? This all needs to come out. The

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Speaker 2: data was off from the beginning. This caused every decision

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Speaker 2: made from then on to be completely out of step

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Speaker 2: with reality. I'm still dumbfounded how we got to that point. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and look at the time, it was unknown's everywhere, absolutely

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Speaker 2: unknowns everywhere. I remember when the first lockdown was happening

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Speaker 2: and I was driving home in my truck to you

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Speaker 2: to give an inspirational gladiator speech to my kids that

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Speaker 2: we were going to come out of this stronger. And

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Speaker 2: I remember just driving home not knowing anything, being quite scared.

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Speaker 2: And I think everyone across the country it was a

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Speaker 2: big unknown absolutely. But we need to look at that

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Speaker 2: because because because that's you would hope that the Rural

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Speaker 2: Inquiry looks into, as this person said, how the data

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Speaker 2: was collected, how the modeling was made, it was done,

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Speaker 2: and how that was spread out through the various government agencies.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly the information they need, and did text her

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Speaker 3: if you haven't got in touch with the Royal Commission

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Speaker 3: of Inquiry, please do, because that's the information they need

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Speaker 3: to hear. Christopher, how are you this afternoon? Well, I

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Speaker 3: know you, you're good and you want to have a

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Speaker 3: chat about what you want out of this commission.

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Speaker 12: Well, what I really want to know is an answer

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Speaker 12: as to how come the supermarkets were given exclusive rights

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Speaker 12: to all our trade. Butcher shops examples in all towns

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Speaker 12: were closed completely, some bankrupted, A couple committed suicide over

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Speaker 12: it because they lost everything they owned. I know one

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Speaker 12: butcher shop that had to throw thirty thousand dollars off

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Speaker 12: a meat and did have been because they weren't allowed

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Speaker 12: to open, and there was no logical reason for it.

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Speaker 12: I want to know who lobbied it, how the pressure

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Speaker 12: came about and had a decisions revenus corruption from the

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Speaker 12: big suppliers or what, because.

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Speaker 2: Never made that never made sense to me. Why you know,

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Speaker 2: if someone's flying food, you know how you make how

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Speaker 2: you make that decision.

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Speaker 10: You know the.

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Speaker 12: Exact same principle that they used a supermarket standing in

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Speaker 12: a queue and a line hits to the adding line cues.

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Speaker 12: Why would you have the same thing outside your local

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Speaker 12: butcher shop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with your Christopher. I don't think you

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Speaker 3: know particularly And this is what we want to know,

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Speaker 3: the information. I don't think there was any sort of

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Speaker 3: corruption involved. I believe if I'm being diplomatic here, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This is the whole point of the

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Speaker 3: Royal Commission of Inquiry that at the time they probably

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Speaker 3: wanted to reduce the number of places that people were

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Speaker 3: going to converge and supermarkets were a one stop shop

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Speaker 3: for most of the things you needed. But it made

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Speaker 3: no sense when those traffic light systems came out. They

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Speaker 3: were confused. I remember ringing ministries and saying can you

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Speaker 3: do this? Can you do that? They had no answers.

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Speaker 3: There was so much confusion about what you could and

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Speaker 3: couldn't do. Could I go down to the butcher's. Could

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Speaker 3: I go to the supermarket? My partner's crooked, she's the

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Speaker 3: one that goes to the supermarket. Can I do that?

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Speaker 3: It was a confusing time and they didn't know the answer.

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Speaker 2: And there was really interesting decisions which I supported at

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Speaker 2: the time, around leaving bottle stores, you know, being able

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Speaker 2: to get alcohol throughout the entire thing and health crisis

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Speaker 2: alcohol was available.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: There's also another aspect of it that I want to

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Speaker 12: know is the government had a complete pandemic plan that

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Speaker 12: was written to the last big one that killed all

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Speaker 12: those people, and they shrew it straight in the burn

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Speaker 12: and started from scratch. Why didn't they extract the original

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Speaker 12: government pandemic plan.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not I'm not aware of this, Christopher.

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Speaker 3: How long ago was their plan put in place, Christopher,

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Speaker 3: the one you're talking about.

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Speaker 12: After the last pandemic when we lost all those people

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Speaker 12: years ago?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Spanish flu situation.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, they wrote a complete pan and was all written

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Speaker 12: in government, sitting on the files, ready to go, and

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Speaker 12: they just ignored it.

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Speaker 3: Again playing devil's advocate. My thinking around that was that

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Speaker 3: was a plan designed in nineteen twelve, and in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five, there's been a lot changes there, so that

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Speaker 3: would that plan would need to be updated quite considerably.

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Speaker 2: Well nineteen eighteen, Oh sorry, nineteen eighteen.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's true that they maybe had to adapt it

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Speaker 12: from modern technologies and things, but diseases don't actually change.

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Speaker 12: I mean, any disease that kills its host dies.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank you so much for you, Corll Chris buth.

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Speaker 2: Let's keep this going after two o'clock because we've got

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Speaker 2: full lines and so many texts coming through. But keep

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Speaker 2: calling and keep trying one hundred and eighteen eighty yep.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to send a text message, nine

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Speaker 3: two nine to two. Is that number? New Sport and

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Speaker 3: Weather coming up? Really great to have your company new

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Speaker 3: it is? What is it? Three to two? You're listening

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Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyler. You're a good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into

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Speaker 3: the program. Seeven pass too. So we've carried this on

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Speaker 3: because we had so many texts and so many phone

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Speaker 3: calls come through on the question. Should our former Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: Dame Jacinda rad are Dorn return to New Zealand in

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Speaker 3: person to give evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry

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Speaker 3: into the COVID nineteen respect bonds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because, as I keep saying, the Commission's core purpose

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Speaker 2: has stated, is to strengthen New Zealand's readiness for future

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Speaker 2: pandemics by learning from responses to COVID nineteen. So do

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Speaker 2: you think the person that was in charge in that

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Speaker 2: time should should face the panel and answer their questions

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Speaker 2: in the hopes of strengthening our future responses. This Texas

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Speaker 2: says the new role model is basing figures extrapolated on

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Speaker 2: high population density. One figure suggested seventy thousand per day.

874
00:40:37,093 --> 00:40:40,493
Speaker 2: You talk about educations, et cetera, standards deteriorating, police, armed

875
00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:45,733
Speaker 2: forces lost staff because of vaccinations, doesn't score tenants, cause problems.

876
00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:49,493
Speaker 2: So lockdown, open up, and the brain train followed. We're

877
00:40:49,493 --> 00:40:52,773
Speaker 2: living with many residual aspects effects and what about the

878
00:40:52,813 --> 00:40:55,293
Speaker 2: ongoing of printing money. That was the first response to

879
00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:59,053
Speaker 2: fix the situation. That's from Sue. So that's that if

880
00:40:59,093 --> 00:41:02,893
Speaker 2: Sue was on the panel, that's that's what you'd throw it. Yeah,

881
00:41:02,933 --> 00:41:04,093
Speaker 2: throw it, throw it, Dame.

882
00:41:04,013 --> 00:41:07,413
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister. Sue absolutely, oh, one hundred and eighty

883
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:09,813
Speaker 3: ten eighty is then to call welcome.

884
00:41:09,493 --> 00:41:13,013
Speaker 2: To the show, Jane, Oh, oh hello, how are you

885
00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 2: very good?

886
00:41:13,493 --> 00:41:13,973
Speaker 3: How are you?

887
00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:14,933
Speaker 19: Oh?

888
00:41:15,053 --> 00:41:15,652
Speaker 10: Not too bad.

889
00:41:16,293 --> 00:41:19,813
Speaker 16: It's a subject that yes, I did write to the

890
00:41:19,893 --> 00:41:22,893
Speaker 16: Royal Commission, actually because I had an incident which affected

891
00:41:22,893 --> 00:41:25,733
Speaker 16: me directly. However, I will address the question, and that

892
00:41:25,893 --> 00:41:29,853
Speaker 16: is absolutely if the leader is elected and has a

893
00:41:29,853 --> 00:41:33,013
Speaker 16: short term as prime minister that has such a devastating

894
00:41:33,093 --> 00:41:36,813
Speaker 16: result on the future of the country, then absolutely she

895
00:41:36,813 --> 00:41:39,252
Speaker 16: should come back. I don't see why she wouldn't. She's

896
00:41:39,253 --> 00:41:42,293
Speaker 16: building a career out there on her short term as

897
00:41:42,293 --> 00:41:45,653
Speaker 16: a Prime minister here in New Zealand, and New Zealand's

898
00:41:45,653 --> 00:41:48,133
Speaker 16: still trotting along trying to recover, like a lot of

899
00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:49,293
Speaker 16: other countries.

900
00:41:48,853 --> 00:41:49,573
Speaker 20: Around the world.

901
00:41:51,733 --> 00:41:54,172
Speaker 16: My question to the Commission when I wrote to them

902
00:41:54,293 --> 00:41:57,813
Speaker 16: was first my own personal experience, but the second question

903
00:41:58,053 --> 00:42:01,172
Speaker 16: was why would you leave because we did not have

904
00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:04,133
Speaker 16: We did have COVID here and I'm so sorry for

905
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:08,253
Speaker 16: the people that had it and the people that lost people. However,

906
00:42:08,413 --> 00:42:10,173
Speaker 16: what I couldn't understand.

907
00:42:09,773 --> 00:42:10,973
Speaker 15: Is why they would keep.

908
00:42:11,493 --> 00:42:14,333
Speaker 16: The way that it was spreading was people coming into

909
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:17,893
Speaker 16: the country, people returning home, all the flights that were

910
00:42:17,933 --> 00:42:19,933
Speaker 16: full as they were coming into the country, So why

911
00:42:20,013 --> 00:42:23,213
Speaker 16: were those flights flying into the biggest city in New Zealand.

912
00:42:23,493 --> 00:42:26,893
Speaker 16: I just didn't understand it. I thought, we've got facilities

913
00:42:27,053 --> 00:42:32,732
Speaker 16: in other airports that can take international flights. I mean, Christ,

914
00:42:33,053 --> 00:42:35,093
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm not saying Christ you should have been

915
00:42:35,293 --> 00:42:38,333
Speaker 16: punished or anything. It's just that it had Burnham, It's

916
00:42:38,373 --> 00:42:43,773
Speaker 16: got facilities. It's a smaller international airport where you don't

917
00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:48,333
Speaker 16: have so many million people that can spread the disease.

918
00:42:48,813 --> 00:42:51,693
Speaker 16: Putting people in lockdown for two weeks when there was

919
00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:55,573
Speaker 16: no accommodation was another problem. There is a lot to

920
00:42:55,613 --> 00:42:59,533
Speaker 16: be learnt from this. But they kept they kept flights

921
00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:03,732
Speaker 16: going into Auckland, so Auckland then kept experiencing lockdown because

922
00:43:03,733 --> 00:43:04,933
Speaker 16: they kept getting cases.

923
00:43:05,093 --> 00:43:08,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember at the time that wondering that, and

924
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:11,373
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to remember now. Someone might tell me

925
00:43:11,413 --> 00:43:13,853
Speaker 2: on nine two, niney two, you can you remember, Jane

926
00:43:13,893 --> 00:43:16,413
Speaker 2: what their reasoning was, because it just seems so logic,

927
00:43:16,693 --> 00:43:19,213
Speaker 2: as logical as you say, Jane, that if we're going

928
00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:23,133
Speaker 2: to keep flying people into our biggest city and you know,

929
00:43:23,693 --> 00:43:26,293
Speaker 2: the economic hub of the country, then that's going to

930
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:29,413
Speaker 2: keep getting locked down. And I remember just I remember

931
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Speaker 2: just a lot of people saying that at the time,

932
00:43:31,173 --> 00:43:32,893
Speaker 2: but there was a reason why they didn't do it.

933
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Speaker 2: I just can't. I can't remember now.

934
00:43:35,293 --> 00:43:38,893
Speaker 16: Well, you see, I don't understand it. Well, I don't

935
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Speaker 16: know what they were saying at the time because I

936
00:43:40,613 --> 00:43:43,253
Speaker 16: had to leave the country. I had the opposite problem

937
00:43:43,573 --> 00:43:45,692
Speaker 16: because my mother was living in America and I had

938
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Speaker 16: to fly to America because she was very badly hurts.

939
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Speaker 16: I mean, she was, you know, in the late eighties,

940
00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:53,933
Speaker 16: early nineties, and she was she nearly lost her leg

941
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Speaker 16: in a car accident. So I had to get out

942
00:43:55,933 --> 00:43:57,613
Speaker 16: of the country. First I had to ring to get

943
00:43:57,653 --> 00:44:00,333
Speaker 16: permission to get out of the country. Then you go

944
00:44:00,453 --> 00:44:04,613
Speaker 16: to the sort of you know, empty airport in New Zealand.

945
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:06,973
Speaker 16: Were actually wonderful. They flew me out. I was almost

946
00:44:06,973 --> 00:44:09,732
Speaker 16: the only one on the plane because they were coming

947
00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:12,853
Speaker 16: back from States. I was flying into LA. They were

948
00:44:12,853 --> 00:44:17,413
Speaker 16: coming back full but going empty. And then when I

949
00:44:17,533 --> 00:44:20,893
Speaker 16: was there and after I could bring them home, I

950
00:44:20,893 --> 00:44:24,733
Speaker 16: couldn't get on a flight. And when you've got three months,

951
00:44:24,933 --> 00:44:27,373
Speaker 16: it took several months for her to get out of

952
00:44:27,413 --> 00:44:32,093
Speaker 16: the hospital. But then I had to ring and get

953
00:44:32,613 --> 00:44:35,733
Speaker 16: a quarantine room. Then I had to get a ticket,

954
00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:38,293
Speaker 16: a air ticket, and one wouldn't give me one without

955
00:44:38,293 --> 00:44:42,293
Speaker 16: the other. And I'd read the embassy. I ran the

956
00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:45,133
Speaker 16: consulate in LA and she was saying, look, give me

957
00:44:45,173 --> 00:44:47,533
Speaker 16: a call if you find out anything. I mean, this

958
00:44:48,533 --> 00:44:52,493
Speaker 16: was happening everywhere. No one knew anything. There's no communication.

959
00:44:52,653 --> 00:44:54,973
Speaker 16: And this was well into the pandemic. I mean I'm

960
00:44:55,013 --> 00:44:55,973
Speaker 16: talking about.

961
00:44:58,653 --> 00:44:58,933
Speaker 15: August.

962
00:44:59,253 --> 00:45:01,653
Speaker 16: It was late. It was like July August.

963
00:45:02,693 --> 00:45:06,172
Speaker 3: And sorry to jump in there, Jane, I'm just looking

964
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Speaker 3: at a story from twenty twenty one. At the time,

965
00:45:08,453 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 3: national were calling for MiQ facilities to be outside of Auckland,

966
00:45:12,533 --> 00:45:15,613
Speaker 3: and that was very fair criticism is that Auckland was

967
00:45:15,613 --> 00:45:17,652
Speaker 3: the hot spot at the time and to ship more

968
00:45:17,693 --> 00:45:20,853
Speaker 3: people in there and bust them into these hotels clearly

969
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:22,933
Speaker 3: was not conducive.

970
00:45:22,413 --> 00:45:24,933
Speaker 2: To members, saying clearly on the radio, fly them into

971
00:45:25,053 --> 00:45:27,853
Speaker 2: the Giggle, it's got a fantastic airport, long runway. Give

972
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:29,212
Speaker 2: the international planes down there.

973
00:45:29,573 --> 00:45:32,853
Speaker 3: So Chris Bishop at the time, he made some compelling

974
00:45:32,973 --> 00:45:36,013
Speaker 3: arguments about why these MiQ facilities needed to be outside

975
00:45:36,093 --> 00:45:38,973
Speaker 3: of Auckland. But the government at the time here was

976
00:45:39,053 --> 00:45:41,253
Speaker 3: that the quote from a government spokesperson, a range of

977
00:45:41,293 --> 00:45:44,533
Speaker 3: factors are taken into determining the best locations that MiQ,

978
00:45:44,813 --> 00:45:47,853
Speaker 3: including access to medical facilities and public health units and

979
00:45:47,973 --> 00:45:51,773
Speaker 3: international travel arrivals. That was all they said on this

980
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:54,533
Speaker 3: particular case. But I think the subtext was from memory

981
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:58,813
Speaker 3: that they didn't have enough facilities. They weren't They had

982
00:45:58,813 --> 00:46:01,333
Speaker 3: to rely on these hotels, primarily the ones up in

983
00:46:01,373 --> 00:46:04,533
Speaker 3: Auckland had the conditioning units and had the space and

984
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:07,933
Speaker 3: were able to be quarantined easily, rather than some of

985
00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,172
Speaker 3: the other hotels around the country. That was the ration

986
00:46:10,213 --> 00:46:12,172
Speaker 3: now at the time I think that's wrong ration now,

987
00:46:12,413 --> 00:46:14,933
Speaker 3: But basically they were chasing their tale from memory that

988
00:46:14,973 --> 00:46:17,053
Speaker 3: they didn't know what to do. There was talk of

989
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:20,533
Speaker 3: dedicated MiQ facilities being built in rural areas. Never got

990
00:46:20,573 --> 00:46:23,253
Speaker 3: that far. But yeah, clearly again mistakes.

991
00:46:22,813 --> 00:46:27,333
Speaker 2: Made, all right. So we're discussing whether Dame Jisinda Ardun

992
00:46:27,613 --> 00:46:32,213
Speaker 2: should return to face the Royal Commission on COVID nineteen.

993
00:46:32,813 --> 00:46:35,293
Speaker 2: I understand she's been asked, but we don't know what

994
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:37,133
Speaker 2: her response to it is. But does she have to

995
00:46:37,133 --> 00:46:40,453
Speaker 2: be there because if she's overseas, right, they can't compel

996
00:46:40,493 --> 00:46:41,093
Speaker 2: her to attend.

997
00:46:41,253 --> 00:46:42,813
Speaker 3: No, but a.

998
00:46:42,853 --> 00:46:44,493
Speaker 2: Zoom call would be sweet as, wouldn't it.

999
00:46:44,573 --> 00:46:44,853
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1000
00:46:44,853 --> 00:46:46,853
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean the whole COVID thing was about

1001
00:46:46,933 --> 00:46:47,933
Speaker 2: zoom calls, wasn't it.

1002
00:46:48,053 --> 00:46:48,533
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1003
00:46:49,293 --> 00:46:51,652
Speaker 2: We were suddenly working from home on zoom calls, so

1004
00:46:52,053 --> 00:46:53,373
Speaker 2: surely that can continue.

1005
00:46:53,053 --> 00:46:55,013
Speaker 3: Right, make zoom great again? Yeah? Oh, eight hundred and

1006
00:46:55,013 --> 00:46:57,133
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Should our

1007
00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:59,493
Speaker 3: former Prime Minister, just under a dune, return to New

1008
00:46:59,613 --> 00:47:02,693
Speaker 3: Zealand to provide information to the Royal Commission of Inquiry.

1009
00:47:02,773 --> 00:47:03,773
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts.

1010
00:47:03,933 --> 00:47:06,213
Speaker 2: I'll just give you a quote here from Ryan Bridge

1011
00:47:06,213 --> 00:47:09,093
Speaker 2: from early edition and here al now many New Zealand

1012
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:12,493
Speaker 2: businesses never recovered from lockdowns. Well Deurn has profited from

1013
00:47:12,493 --> 00:47:13,093
Speaker 2: book deals.

1014
00:47:13,173 --> 00:47:18,013
Speaker 3: There we go. It is fourteen past two.

1015
00:47:17,253 --> 00:47:21,413
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

1016
00:47:21,653 --> 00:47:24,773
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk said.

1017
00:47:24,573 --> 00:47:29,333
Speaker 3: Be afternoon, and that is what we are discussing. Should

1018
00:47:29,373 --> 00:47:31,613
Speaker 3: our former prime ministers under a don return to give

1019
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:33,413
Speaker 3: evidence to the Royal Commission for Sex.

1020
00:47:33,453 --> 00:47:35,173
Speaker 2: It says, hey, I don't want censorship, but all the

1021
00:47:35,213 --> 00:47:41,053
Speaker 2: media outlets having their favorite epidemiologists with a mixed MSG main.

1022
00:47:41,413 --> 00:47:45,293
Speaker 3: Messages, that's texts, that's that's could speak for messages.

1023
00:47:45,413 --> 00:47:48,413
Speaker 2: Mixed messages heightened fears and added confusion to what we

1024
00:47:48,413 --> 00:47:50,893
Speaker 2: should do. Sometimes it's good to call it out, but

1025
00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:54,453
Speaker 2: there should be consequences for reporting that what is not

1026
00:47:54,453 --> 00:47:56,853
Speaker 2: true and is just fear mongering. Wow, yeah, I mean

1027
00:47:56,853 --> 00:47:58,333
Speaker 2: how much of reporting is fear mungering?

1028
00:47:58,613 --> 00:47:59,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1029
00:48:00,253 --> 00:48:00,453
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1030
00:48:01,373 --> 00:48:04,413
Speaker 3: I think I think some of those those experts, they

1031
00:48:04,453 --> 00:48:07,773
Speaker 3: were experts, but there was there was confusion there about

1032
00:48:07,933 --> 00:48:12,133
Speaker 3: who was right and what strategy was going to work best.

1033
00:48:12,133 --> 00:48:15,333
Speaker 3: And I think a bit more honesty, no honesty, isn't

1034
00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:16,853
Speaker 3: the right word. They've been as honest as they could,

1035
00:48:16,893 --> 00:48:20,573
Speaker 3: but a bit more being upfront and say we think

1036
00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:23,693
Speaker 3: this is the situation, but we don't really know because

1037
00:48:23,693 --> 00:48:25,413
Speaker 3: the whole world is still trying to figure this out

1038
00:48:25,453 --> 00:48:27,413
Speaker 3: along with the rest of us. Might have gone a

1039
00:48:27,413 --> 00:48:30,173
Speaker 3: bit better to say you need to do this because

1040
00:48:30,213 --> 00:48:31,413
Speaker 3: this is going to do happen.

1041
00:48:31,653 --> 00:48:35,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think there's a thing that happens where

1042
00:48:35,693 --> 00:48:38,813
Speaker 2: where you get this kind of emergency powers where it

1043
00:48:38,813 --> 00:48:41,893
Speaker 2: becomes a lot easier to make very draconian decisions, and

1044
00:48:41,893 --> 00:48:43,573
Speaker 2: then another one, and then another one, another one. The

1045
00:48:43,573 --> 00:48:46,493
Speaker 2: first one's difficult, but then that works, and it's a

1046
00:48:46,493 --> 00:48:50,493
Speaker 2: lot easier to shut things down as you afforded more power,

1047
00:48:50,493 --> 00:48:51,172
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying.

1048
00:48:51,253 --> 00:48:52,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, fair point, And so.

1049
00:48:52,813 --> 00:48:56,493
Speaker 2: Probably it would have surprised the government how far they

1050
00:48:56,533 --> 00:48:58,493
Speaker 2: went by the end of it. If you'd said to

1051
00:48:58,493 --> 00:49:00,493
Speaker 2: them at the start, this is where you're going to go,

1052
00:49:00,973 --> 00:49:03,013
Speaker 2: they might have been quite surprised. Now, I think you're right,

1053
00:49:03,733 --> 00:49:06,533
Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler covid how comes Sweden had no lockdowns,

1054
00:49:06,573 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 2: quarantine or mandates and had better out come in anywhere

1055
00:49:09,093 --> 00:49:11,413
Speaker 2: else and then needs to pay back the millions she

1056
00:49:11,493 --> 00:49:13,253
Speaker 2: took and be dragged back to New Zealand. I don't

1057
00:49:13,253 --> 00:49:15,293
Speaker 2: know anyone suggested she'd be dragged back and put on

1058
00:49:15,373 --> 00:49:18,413
Speaker 2: trial together with Hipkins. Well, I don't know about that.

1059
00:49:18,453 --> 00:49:21,893
Speaker 2: But what we're asking is should she morally come back

1060
00:49:21,933 --> 00:49:26,413
Speaker 2: and speak to the Royal Inquiry? I mean, I don't

1061
00:49:26,413 --> 00:49:29,013
Speaker 2: know if i'd edicate her being dragged back to do it.

1062
00:49:29,493 --> 00:49:31,213
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think there's any need for that.

1063
00:49:31,813 --> 00:49:34,413
Speaker 3: As we mentioned, maybe a video would suffice.

1064
00:49:34,613 --> 00:49:37,733
Speaker 2: She ruled by fear, says this Texter Graham, Welcome to

1065
00:49:37,773 --> 00:49:38,133
Speaker 2: the show.

1066
00:49:39,693 --> 00:49:43,573
Speaker 21: Yeah, hi, hey, I'll just try and keep this brief.

1067
00:49:43,613 --> 00:49:48,373
Speaker 21: But Desinda a done. She was the PM at the time,

1068
00:49:49,973 --> 00:49:54,293
Speaker 21: and like all good CEOs of a company. But drawing

1069
00:49:54,333 --> 00:50:00,893
Speaker 21: a parallel there, there is where the buck stops when

1070
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:07,692
Speaker 21: there's a problem. Now, yes, there are questions about how

1071
00:50:07,733 --> 00:50:10,493
Speaker 21: it was matten, how COVID was managed, and the like.

1072
00:50:11,453 --> 00:50:17,133
Speaker 21: That is exactly why Desinda A Durn should be made

1073
00:50:17,533 --> 00:50:21,093
Speaker 21: to appear before the commission.

1074
00:50:21,533 --> 00:50:25,133
Speaker 2: Do you think, Graham, that all ex prime ministers should

1075
00:50:25,173 --> 00:50:29,732
Speaker 2: be made to appear and justify the decisions they made. Say,

1076
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:32,973
Speaker 2: for example, I'm just pulling something out of my out

1077
00:50:32,973 --> 00:50:34,773
Speaker 2: of my mind here, there's no particularly as I'm saying that,

1078
00:50:34,813 --> 00:50:36,973
Speaker 2: you know, the blowout blowout of the City rail link,

1079
00:50:37,013 --> 00:50:40,413
Speaker 2: for example, it's now pushing six billion dollars. Should the

1080
00:50:40,653 --> 00:50:42,853
Speaker 2: people I think was John Key at the time, should

1081
00:50:42,893 --> 00:50:46,133
Speaker 2: he be when we want to look into something, should

1082
00:50:46,253 --> 00:50:49,013
Speaker 2: they be compelled by virtue of being Prime Minister be

1083
00:50:49,093 --> 00:50:52,013
Speaker 2: compelled to come back and justify their decisions down the track?

1084
00:50:55,053 --> 00:51:01,213
Speaker 21: Not necessarily, but we are talking about a national problem

1085
00:51:01,453 --> 00:51:08,853
Speaker 21: in which involved loss of life, which involved restriction of movement,

1086
00:51:09,173 --> 00:51:15,413
Speaker 21: restriction of speech, the whole bang. And this is a

1087
00:51:15,453 --> 00:51:22,453
Speaker 21: whole new level, you know, when compared to a project like.

1088
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Speaker 5: Like city rail.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, Graham, if she doesn't buy video rather than

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Speaker 3: in person, would that still get the job done?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 5: She should appear? Why person?

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Speaker 3: Why in person?

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Speaker 21: Because it's easy to just just feign what you're saying,

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Speaker 21: whereas if you're sitting in front of an inquiry with

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Speaker 21: a committee, there that there's body language, there's all these

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Speaker 21: sorts of things which you cannot get unless that person appears.

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Speaker 2: What do you say, Graham? Around Chross Hopkins this morning

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Speaker 2: had concerns around her security, her safety if she came back.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's valid.

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Speaker 21: Well, it may well be, because let's face it, j

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Speaker 21: Sindra Adurn has has wiled a lot of kiwis. I

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Speaker 21: mean just before she she handed her notice in has

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Speaker 21: been out of fuel. She was getting death threats sweetly

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Speaker 21: and and you know that that that's not good. That

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Speaker 21: that says a lot. Yeah, But the fact remains, as

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Speaker 21: per any CEO in the business world, they must front

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Speaker 21: and answer questions in front of the shareholders.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough to Graham, Yeah, and I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people would agree with that, that sentiment that if

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Speaker 3: you are in his analogy or the CEO of a

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Speaker 3: business and your business goes belly up or something goes wrong,

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Speaker 3: most most of the shareholders as if she would like

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Speaker 3: you to front up to say what the hell happened?

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Speaker 2: And it has been as it has has been pointed

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Speaker 2: out Boris Johnson who took a thorough a thorough ribbing

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Speaker 2: for his response and various cakes that he had when

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Speaker 2: he was Prime Minister over this time in the UK,

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Speaker 2: he fronted up to the equivalent investigation in the UK.

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Speaker 2: So there is precedent for for for providing testimonies to

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Speaker 2: these things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the numbered call.

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Speaker 3: Got to take a quick break, but back with more

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Speaker 3: of your calls very shortly. It's twenty three past.

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Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty eighty on News Talk ZB Very good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: She it is twenty five past two. Greg. You were

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Speaker 3: a hotel operator. Was this during the pandemic?

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Speaker 10: Was it?

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Speaker 22: Yeah? We flew out there on the day that that

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Speaker 22: that COVID was announced and so we went off shore.

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Speaker 22: We decided to go and we went through Singapore, Vietnam,

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Speaker 22: Thailand and so it was so we were away right

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Speaker 22: at the time this was all occurring, and it was

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Speaker 22: really fascinating to watch how the other countries took on

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Speaker 22: board their immediate processes to try and keep people separated

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Speaker 22: and stop people from catching COVID. And of course they'd

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Speaker 22: been through it ten years previously with SARS, so they

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Speaker 22: were well acquainted with what was going on. But the

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Speaker 22: interesting thing for us was when we got back to

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Speaker 22: New Zealand, there was just absolutely nothing going on at

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Speaker 22: the border and we just couldn't believe it from what

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Speaker 22: we'd seen in the other countries and how detailed they

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Speaker 22: were about separation and making people, making sure people were

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Speaker 22: socially distancing temperature readers in the shopping centers and things

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Speaker 22: like that. It was just you went from a very

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Speaker 22: sophisticated countries that were managing it really well from the

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Speaker 22: outset to what we had in New Zealand when you

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Speaker 22: came in and it was just like total incompetence. We

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Speaker 22: were just astounded when we came back through customs and so, Greg,

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Speaker 22: do you.

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Speaker 2: Think that just Cinder should should, morally speaking, face the

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Speaker 2: Royal Inquiry and answer questions like you have there? Why

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Speaker 2: was our response so in your words, what did you say?

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Speaker 2: Well inadequate?

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Speaker 22: It was abusinal. Look, I yes she probably should come back,

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Speaker 22: but you know, and I'm not necessarily defending her. But

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Speaker 22: what I found the worst was that the government were

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Speaker 22: relying on using consultants to help them understand what was

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Speaker 22: going on. And to me, that's where the problem lies

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Speaker 22: because we went further when we got back to our hotels.

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Speaker 22: We came back my daughter and said, look, we're going

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Speaker 22: to have a problem here. We started a system called

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Speaker 22: I Stay when people could fly back into New Zealand

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Speaker 22: and stay in our hotel for two weeks to make

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Speaker 22: sure that they didn't have COVID and could be free

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Speaker 22: before they went home. So they had to stay in

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Speaker 22: their hotel completely self isolate. They weren't allowed to out

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Speaker 22: of their room, and we never had one instance of

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Speaker 22: anyone catching COVID. And the whole time we ran that program.

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Speaker 22: When we got into COVID, we thought we had to

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Speaker 22: try and save our hotel somehow because it was on

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Speaker 22: to get shut down and someone got COVID. So we

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00:56:43,933 --> 00:56:47,173
Speaker 22: managed to find a product that can eliminate COVID, so

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Speaker 22: we put it into our hotels and again nobody got COVID.

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Speaker 22: But when I approached the government to try and get

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Speaker 22: them to have a look at this product that we

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Speaker 22: brought in, I could not get anyone.

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Speaker 2: What was the product?

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Speaker 3: Greg?

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Speaker 22: Well, are you happy for me to mention what it is?

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Speaker 19: Okay?

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Speaker 22: So it's a product. It just simply it looks like

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00:57:10,173 --> 00:57:12,933
Speaker 22: you can put into an air conditioning system or it's

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00:57:13,053 --> 00:57:17,053
Speaker 22: or get a tabletop version. It's called respair. Basically, in

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00:57:17,133 --> 00:57:20,973
Speaker 22: simple terms, it takes the ambient air temperature and converts

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00:57:21,013 --> 00:57:25,653
Speaker 22: it into into low levels of hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide

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Speaker 22: kills all the bacteria in the air, including COVID, including

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Speaker 22: you know, the flu and and people with asthma and viruses.

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Speaker 22: It kills all that sort of stuff, just kills it dead.

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Speaker 22: And you can't catch COVID.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, well, very interesting though.

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Speaker 2: And as a letter to dead desinder from n Taylor recently,

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Speaker 2: he complains that they weren't open to the government, wasn't

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Speaker 2: open to ideas from business community.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people felt frustration around that. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, Greg, Joan, we got about a minute before

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Speaker 3: the headlines.

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Speaker 23: Oh yes, Graftinon. I'm not I just make my position clear.

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Speaker 23: I'm not a supporter of the synta, but I do

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Speaker 23: have a little bit of sympathy. I think she did

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Speaker 23: what she thought was the right thing, and the doctor

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Speaker 23: that was working along with her and the other specialists. Yeah,

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Speaker 23: I think I was young when the polio vaccine came out.

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Speaker 23: I know that's a whole different thing, but what I

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Speaker 23: saw in this pandemic was the defiance, the social defiance.

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Speaker 10: Don't tell me what to do.

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Speaker 20: We've researched it, We've done this.

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Speaker 23: If we'd had social media when polio was going on,

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Speaker 23: we would still have it.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jane, and initially there was huge compliance from from

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Speaker 2: the country. Initially no, no in the COVID response and initially,

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Speaker 2: initially we're all in lockstep with the with the instructions,

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Speaker 2: and then some people done well. But if that's true

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, Joan, about hindsight, does that that's more

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Speaker 2: all the more reason for just are done to come

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Speaker 2: in front the Royal Inquiry, isn't it because she was

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Speaker 2: there and she has that hindsight to look and say,

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Speaker 2: this is why we did it, this is what we

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Speaker 2: what in retrospect we got wrong. So would you do

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00:59:25,333 --> 00:59:27,693
Speaker 2: you think morally, as the person that was in charge

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Speaker 2: at that time, that she should come back and face

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Speaker 2: the Royal Inquiry.

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Speaker 23: Yes, I think there's we need to learn from this

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Speaker 23: whole experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for you called, Joan. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Very good discussion. Thank you everyone who takes through. We

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Speaker 3: had thousands of texts in so many calls, but really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. I think it's a good discussion, and I

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Speaker 3: think the majority would say that she should come back

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Speaker 3: and tell the inquiry what she knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If genuinely the Commission's core purposes to strength in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's readiness for future pandemics. By learning from responses,

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00:59:58,453 --> 01:00:02,293
Speaker 2: she'd be key information that we would that we could

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Speaker 2: we could use to make that decision and look excellent

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Speaker 2: playing of the ball and not the man from everyone

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Speaker 2: today in the last Now, that was pretty pretty good,

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Speaker 2: good good chat. But there's there's a few texts have

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Speaker 2: been coming through. Now he hears about this old news.

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Speaker 2: Let's get onto the mushroom lady. This texasays, hey, muppets,

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Speaker 2: you promise mushrooms. This Texas's mushies please. This Texas says, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: you said two pm mushrooms chat. What is this just

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Speaker 2: cinder rubbish beef Wellington, let's go and another one. I

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01:00:28,973 --> 01:00:31,853
Speaker 2: turned back and I tuned back in for mushrooms. Cut

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Speaker 2: out this rubbish. Wait to the mushroom lady.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, dear texts, we promised you'll, we will deliver

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Speaker 3: because that is coming up next. We are going to

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Speaker 3: talk about the mushroom cook trial and the verdict that

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Speaker 3: came out yesterday. That is coming up. But can you

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Speaker 3: get your views on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 13: Three US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis

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01:00:52,653 --> 01:00:55,853
Speaker 13: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Chris Sipkins says

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01:00:55,973 --> 01:00:59,733
Speaker 13: labors still offering national a chance to combine forces on

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01:00:59,853 --> 01:01:02,733
Speaker 13: creating a unit to check the cost of pre election

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01:01:02,933 --> 01:01:07,053
Speaker 13: party promises, which Act and New Zealand first torpedoed. He

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Speaker 13: says the two big parties shouldn't let minor parties veto

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Speaker 13: something they both want. Advocates have told the COVID inquiry

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Speaker 13: disabled people found navigating health care tests and vaccinations highly stressful,

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Speaker 13: with little allowance for their differences. Almost fifteen thousand submissions

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Speaker 13: on the future of Auckland's Western Springs Stadium have not

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Speaker 13: produced a clear favorite, A third favored a Western Springs

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Speaker 13: Bowl and a fifth like to a now withdrawn arena.

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Speaker 13: Bid proposed changes to laws to prevent money laundering or

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Speaker 13: remove hurdles to selling a house held by family trust,

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Speaker 13: as well as making it easier to open bank accounts

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Speaker 13: for children. Three people are injured too seriously after a

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Speaker 13: two vehicle crash on State Highway twenty nine south of

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Speaker 13: Matamata in Waikato. Fletcher Building was under insured before conventions

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Speaker 13: sent a fire. It's a claim from subcontractors. You can

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Speaker 13: read more at Insid Herald. Premium back now to Matty them.

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Speaker 13: Tyler Adams, thank you very much. Ray Lean, right, this

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Speaker 13: is going to be a good discussion. The world was

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Speaker 13: talking about the Mushroom Cook trial, the trial of Aaron Patterson,

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Speaker 13: and after seven weeks of evidence, six days of summing up,

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Speaker 13: and six and a half days of jury deliberation, they

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Speaker 13: took their time. The verdict was obviously delivered yesterday afternoon

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Speaker 13: that she was guilty on all counts. She was found

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Speaker 13: to have murdered her estranged husband's parents done and Gail Patterson,

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Speaker 13: along with Gail's sister Heather Wilkinson, and the attempted murder

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Speaker 13: of another who survived.

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Speaker 2: So did you follow this trial now last week? No,

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01:02:41,413 --> 01:02:43,213
Speaker 2: it was how many of weeks ago? Ten days ago

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Speaker 2: we were talking about this, weren't we. Tyler on the

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Speaker 2: show and got huge amount of calls on it. And

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Speaker 2: this was before the jury was going in to deliberate,

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Speaker 2: and at the time there was talk Mike Coskings said

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Speaker 2: he thought the trial the deliberation would last forty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: I went on holiday and didn't really check the news

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Speaker 2: because if you work at news talk z'b sometimes you

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01:03:01,693 --> 01:03:02,893
Speaker 2: need to break from the news so I went on

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01:03:02,933 --> 01:03:06,693
Speaker 2: holiday down in the pretty city Dunedin and had a

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Speaker 2: fantastic time, didn't check the news, and when I came

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01:03:08,933 --> 01:03:11,533
Speaker 2: back online with the news, I was immediately like I

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01:03:11,573 --> 01:03:13,933
Speaker 2: was immediately thinking what happened with the mushroom lady? Yeah,

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01:03:13,973 --> 01:03:15,693
Speaker 2: and it hadn't even be decided at that point that

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Speaker 2: we finally got the verdict. But what do you think

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Speaker 2: about it? A lot of people it's been the biggest

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Speaker 2: podcast in the country for the whole duration of the

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Speaker 2: trial have been the mushroom podcasts. Some of them just

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01:03:26,093 --> 01:03:29,933
Speaker 2: called mushroom podcasts. Yep, it's been a huge amount of interest.

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01:03:30,613 --> 01:03:33,373
Speaker 2: I'm actually partly interested why there's so much interest into it.

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01:03:33,653 --> 01:03:35,893
Speaker 2: So if you've got your thoughts on why you were

1304
01:03:35,973 --> 01:03:39,653
Speaker 2: dragged into it, why you were interested, or alternatively, if

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01:03:39,693 --> 01:03:41,693
Speaker 2: you have no interest in it and you think that

1306
01:03:42,173 --> 01:03:44,933
Speaker 2: us weirdos that care about it should care about more

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01:03:44,933 --> 01:03:46,493
Speaker 2: important things, we'd love to hear from you as well.

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Speaker 2: On eight hundred eighty ten eighty, But what did you

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01:03:49,693 --> 01:03:51,813
Speaker 2: think of the verdict? They did they prove it?

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at some of the evidence where we've

1311
01:03:55,173 --> 01:03:58,293
Speaker 3: now seen that the jury were going through during that

1312
01:03:58,373 --> 01:04:00,853
Speaker 3: six and a half days. I mean the photos that

1313
01:04:00,893 --> 01:04:03,093
Speaker 3: interest me is the beef Wellington itself. So they've dug

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01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:05,053
Speaker 3: that out of the rubbish, but and obviously and presented

1315
01:04:05,053 --> 01:04:06,733
Speaker 3: that as evidence. And I've got to say, just on

1316
01:04:06,933 --> 01:04:10,333
Speaker 3: a on a taste, it doesn't look like that appetizing

1317
01:04:10,373 --> 01:04:12,133
Speaker 3: of she overdid the.

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Speaker 2: Meat convict her as a terrible cook. I mean, if

1319
01:04:16,573 --> 01:04:20,093
Speaker 2: you actually to be fair, if you if your milk

1320
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Speaker 2: kills people, you're a bad cook.

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01:04:21,733 --> 01:04:25,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And then there were photos of

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01:04:25,053 --> 01:04:28,253
Speaker 3: the mushrooms themselves, She's got them on the we dehydrated.

1323
01:04:28,293 --> 01:04:31,053
Speaker 3: There then the photo of her getting rid of the

1324
01:04:31,093 --> 01:04:34,373
Speaker 3: dehydrator at the local waste station, and that video her

1325
01:04:34,413 --> 01:04:36,173
Speaker 3: interview with the police when they asked her, do you

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01:04:36,173 --> 01:04:38,893
Speaker 3: have a dehydrator? No, I don't have a dehydrator. Oh

1327
01:04:38,933 --> 01:04:41,053
Speaker 3: we found this instruction manual. Oh yeah, I might have

1328
01:04:41,373 --> 01:04:43,573
Speaker 3: bought one years ago. And then turned out she was

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01:04:43,693 --> 01:04:46,133
Speaker 3: dumping this dehydrator two days before that interview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But I've got one word for you, Tyler and

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01:04:48,613 --> 01:04:53,013
Speaker 2: everyone listening. One word motivated motive.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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01:04:53,573 --> 01:04:54,893
Speaker 2: I had one word and I couldn't get it out.

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01:04:55,653 --> 01:04:58,973
Speaker 2: I have word No, No, I have one word motive.

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Speaker 2: What was the motive? So even the judge said the

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01:05:03,373 --> 01:05:07,093
Speaker 2: fact that well he didn't say I'm paraphrasing here, but

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01:05:07,213 --> 01:05:12,573
Speaker 2: the judge suggested that the jury may consider that the

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01:05:12,693 --> 01:05:20,293
Speaker 2: lack of motive being proven by the prosecution could be

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01:05:20,373 --> 01:05:21,653
Speaker 2: taken into consideration.

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01:05:21,893 --> 01:05:23,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're right. I mean I said

1341
01:05:23,973 --> 01:05:26,053
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier. I'll say it again now and here.

1342
01:05:26,093 --> 01:05:28,853
Speaker 3: This's producer asked me yesterday before the verdict came out,

1343
01:05:29,053 --> 01:05:30,453
Speaker 3: which way did I think it was going to go?

1344
01:05:30,453 --> 01:05:32,613
Speaker 3: And I said, one hundred percent. It's going to be

1345
01:05:32,613 --> 01:05:35,853
Speaker 3: not guilty. They've been out for so long. The evidence

1346
01:05:36,013 --> 01:05:38,573
Speaker 3: it might be compelling to some level, but the motive

1347
01:05:38,933 --> 01:05:40,773
Speaker 3: question is a big question. She's going to be found

1348
01:05:40,813 --> 01:05:43,293
Speaker 3: not guilty. And I had egger my face when it

1349
01:05:43,333 --> 01:05:45,893
Speaker 3: was guilty on all counts. But yeah, the motive on

1350
01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:48,973
Speaker 3: she disliked her strange husband and she was going to

1351
01:05:48,973 --> 01:05:50,933
Speaker 3: take it out on the rest of the family. I

1352
01:05:50,933 --> 01:05:53,733
Speaker 3: don't know, tenuous tenuous, Yeah, because she.

1353
01:05:53,693 --> 01:05:57,533
Speaker 2: Didn't really really dislike her a strange judgment husband. They

1354
01:05:57,733 --> 01:06:00,053
Speaker 2: you know, there was some weird things in her relationship,

1355
01:06:00,133 --> 01:06:03,213
Speaker 2: but they also had quite a good relationship as well.

1356
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:09,413
Speaker 2: Post relationship you know their post this posts operation, You know,

1357
01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:11,333
Speaker 2: texts were quite jovial back and forth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they still talked. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So has this been a horrific travesty of dust justice?

1360
01:06:18,413 --> 01:06:20,773
Speaker 2: Is it time to start? Get the Joe carom over

1361
01:06:20,773 --> 01:06:23,613
Speaker 2: there to start the free the Mushroom Lady campaign?

1362
01:06:23,813 --> 01:06:25,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go there. Oh, e one hundred and eighty

1363
01:06:26,013 --> 01:06:26,413
Speaker 3: and eighty.

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01:06:26,613 --> 01:06:27,693
Speaker 2: I still can't see a motive.

1365
01:06:28,413 --> 01:06:29,973
Speaker 3: I don't know the jury got it right this time?

1366
01:06:30,053 --> 01:06:31,973
Speaker 3: On one hundred eighty ten eighty is and number to call.

1367
01:06:32,013 --> 01:06:33,613
Speaker 3: If you've loved this trial? What have you loved about it?

1368
01:06:33,693 --> 01:06:35,493
Speaker 3: What have you felt compelling? Love might not not be

1369
01:06:35,533 --> 01:06:38,093
Speaker 3: the right word. What have you felt so compelled about

1370
01:06:38,133 --> 01:06:40,613
Speaker 3: this this trial? And do you think the jury got

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01:06:40,613 --> 01:06:40,933
Speaker 3: it right?

1372
01:06:42,493 --> 01:06:44,653
Speaker 2: Paul asks whether the Mushroom Lady will be allowed to

1373
01:06:44,653 --> 01:06:45,853
Speaker 2: work in the kitchen in prison.

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Speaker 3: It's a big ask. Wellington in prison.

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01:06:49,173 --> 01:06:51,013
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I wouldn't need to beef Wellington

1376
01:06:51,053 --> 01:06:52,893
Speaker 2: in Do they serve beef Wellington in prison?

1377
01:06:53,133 --> 01:06:55,173
Speaker 3: I hope not. I don't get enough beef Wellington in

1378
01:06:55,173 --> 01:06:55,493
Speaker 3: my life.

1379
01:06:55,493 --> 01:06:56,253
Speaker 2: It's porridge, isn't it?

1380
01:06:56,293 --> 01:06:56,453
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1381
01:06:56,453 --> 01:06:56,893
Speaker 3: It should be.

1382
01:06:58,453 --> 01:07:01,813
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

1383
01:07:01,893 --> 01:07:05,653
Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talksa'd be

1384
01:07:06,093 --> 01:07:06,493
Speaker 1: very good.

1385
01:07:06,573 --> 01:07:09,413
Speaker 3: Afternoons. We are talking about the shrom Cook trial, the

1386
01:07:09,413 --> 01:07:11,733
Speaker 3: trial of Aaron Patterson and the verdict that came out

1387
01:07:11,773 --> 01:07:14,893
Speaker 3: yesterday that she's guilty on all accounty. You've been following

1388
01:07:14,893 --> 01:07:17,213
Speaker 3: that trial. What have you found so compelling about it?

1389
01:07:17,493 --> 01:07:19,853
Speaker 3: And do you think maybe just maybe the jury he

1390
01:07:19,973 --> 01:07:21,813
Speaker 3: got the wrong the wrong verdict here.

1391
01:07:22,013 --> 01:07:24,893
Speaker 2: I want a motive. I want a motive. This Texas

1392
01:07:24,893 --> 01:07:27,613
Speaker 2: says she was a neuronic mad cow and probably hated

1393
01:07:27,613 --> 01:07:29,653
Speaker 2: her in laws because they thought she wasn't good enough

1394
01:07:29,653 --> 01:07:32,053
Speaker 2: for their son. You know those types of pearents. That's

1395
01:07:32,053 --> 01:07:33,173
Speaker 2: from Paul, that's your motive.

1396
01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:34,453
Speaker 3: Is that a motive?

1397
01:07:35,293 --> 01:07:38,493
Speaker 2: Some people motive? You mup at. Some people are just nasty,

1398
01:07:38,573 --> 01:07:42,333
Speaker 2: evil and spiteful. This Texas says she is absolutely innocent.

1399
01:07:42,693 --> 01:07:44,573
Speaker 2: I am a lawyer and have been content and have

1400
01:07:44,693 --> 01:07:47,053
Speaker 2: been in contact with others in Australia. We will get

1401
01:07:47,093 --> 01:07:50,413
Speaker 2: this poor lady out. She's been convicted on hearsay and

1402
01:07:50,533 --> 01:07:54,053
Speaker 2: rumor and mean speak. Does that sound when someone says

1403
01:07:54,093 --> 01:07:58,093
Speaker 2: I am a lawyer? Is that that sounds there's something

1404
01:07:58,373 --> 01:07:59,213
Speaker 2: untrue that texts.

1405
01:07:59,293 --> 01:08:00,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, did he put esquire at the end of that?

1406
01:08:01,493 --> 01:08:02,933
Speaker 3: I don't know. You take that with a bit of grain.

1407
01:08:02,973 --> 01:08:03,493
Speaker 3: Assault to you.

1408
01:08:03,893 --> 01:08:05,893
Speaker 2: She is absolutely is that. I am a lawyer. There's

1409
01:08:05,893 --> 01:08:08,773
Speaker 2: something about that. Look, if you're telling the truth, Texter

1410
01:08:08,933 --> 01:08:11,213
Speaker 2: the then all power to you. But there's something about

1411
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:14,253
Speaker 2: your text that just sniffs of bs. If she was

1412
01:08:14,293 --> 01:08:16,853
Speaker 2: good looking, she would have walked since this text.

1413
01:08:17,013 --> 01:08:17,852
Speaker 3: Maybe she is fat.

1414
01:08:17,933 --> 01:08:19,572
Speaker 2: So she has been convicted. Simple.

1415
01:08:19,933 --> 01:08:23,133
Speaker 3: This is disgusting from Miriam, right, thank you Miriam. That

1416
01:08:23,213 --> 01:08:25,572
Speaker 3: is that's a hot take. Brian, how are you?

1417
01:08:26,492 --> 01:08:29,973
Speaker 17: Oh good mate? I'm sorry. You guys are living in fairyland.

1418
01:08:30,452 --> 01:08:31,892
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, held us with.

1419
01:08:31,973 --> 01:08:36,173
Speaker 17: That, Absolutely in fairy land. I'm an Australian and I've

1420
01:08:36,253 --> 01:08:40,293
Speaker 17: followed this every single day. I've had far more information

1421
01:08:40,412 --> 01:08:43,852
Speaker 17: than the New Zealand Press's head. And I'm telling you

1422
01:08:43,933 --> 01:08:48,053
Speaker 17: she is as guilty as hell. And you asked for

1423
01:08:48,133 --> 01:08:48,612
Speaker 17: a motive.

1424
01:08:48,812 --> 01:08:49,052
Speaker 2: Yep.

1425
01:08:49,572 --> 01:08:52,852
Speaker 17: She hates them. She hated her husband and she wanted

1426
01:08:52,893 --> 01:08:54,652
Speaker 17: to hurt him.

1427
01:08:55,053 --> 01:08:56,812
Speaker 3: Right And what what evident?

1428
01:08:56,853 --> 01:08:57,013
Speaker 4: What?

1429
01:08:57,013 --> 01:08:57,253
Speaker 24: What?

1430
01:08:57,253 --> 01:09:00,892
Speaker 2: What evidence? What even evidence? Sorry Brian? What evidence was

1431
01:09:00,893 --> 01:09:03,652
Speaker 2: there that she hated him? I haven't seen much evidence

1432
01:09:03,652 --> 01:09:05,892
Speaker 2: that she hated him, but it could be wrong.

1433
01:09:09,253 --> 01:09:10,892
Speaker 17: You haven't been following up, mate.

1434
01:09:11,133 --> 01:09:12,652
Speaker 2: I have been following that, but I haven't seen much

1435
01:09:12,652 --> 01:09:14,172
Speaker 2: of it.

1436
01:09:14,213 --> 01:09:18,013
Speaker 17: So were pages and pages of all the things that

1437
01:09:18,133 --> 01:09:21,652
Speaker 17: point to her guilt, absolute point to her guilt, and

1438
01:09:21,692 --> 01:09:22,732
Speaker 17: she is she's another.

1439
01:09:25,492 --> 01:09:27,652
Speaker 3: Good on you, Brian forgiving us a call, and you're

1440
01:09:27,652 --> 01:09:30,252
Speaker 3: obviously been following this. But to be fair, those texts

1441
01:09:30,612 --> 01:09:33,812
Speaker 3: that the jury were considering her messages to the family

1442
01:09:34,053 --> 01:09:37,612
Speaker 3: only got released after the verdict, so that, as you say,

1443
01:09:37,692 --> 01:09:40,652
Speaker 3: these pages and pages and pages of it, and look,

1444
01:09:40,973 --> 01:09:43,293
Speaker 3: I've just quickly having a look at some of those texts. Now,

1445
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:47,253
Speaker 3: does it appear that she dislikes some of her family members?

1446
01:09:47,333 --> 01:09:47,492
Speaker 10: Yes?

1447
01:09:47,532 --> 01:09:49,532
Speaker 3: But is there enough to break someone?

1448
01:09:49,572 --> 01:09:53,452
Speaker 2: And Brian, you saw her her ex husband talking in court,

1449
01:09:53,492 --> 01:09:55,612
Speaker 2: did you, or you heard the transcript of him talking

1450
01:09:55,612 --> 01:09:59,412
Speaker 2: in court? Yep, yep, and he didn't talk to all

1451
01:09:59,452 --> 01:10:00,572
Speaker 2: of her.

1452
01:10:03,093 --> 01:10:08,213
Speaker 17: Yeah, Okay, that's only because probably you're still frightened of it.

1453
01:10:11,213 --> 01:10:11,732
Speaker 22: In jail.

1454
01:10:12,293 --> 01:10:15,852
Speaker 17: Apparently she's been accused of persons somebody in jail.

1455
01:10:16,133 --> 01:10:18,652
Speaker 2: What did you think of that moment, Brian, when the

1456
01:10:18,772 --> 01:10:22,013
Speaker 2: judge told her husband that he didn't have to he

1457
01:10:22,053 --> 01:10:25,213
Speaker 2: didn't have to be putting evidence what you call it.

1458
01:10:25,213 --> 01:10:26,692
Speaker 2: He didn't have to be a witness. He didn't have

1459
01:10:26,692 --> 01:10:29,452
Speaker 2: to front up to the stand because he there's there's

1460
01:10:29,452 --> 01:10:31,213
Speaker 2: a law around spouse is not having to talk. And

1461
01:10:31,253 --> 01:10:33,452
Speaker 2: he didn't know that. I thought that was that was

1462
01:10:33,492 --> 01:10:34,972
Speaker 2: a major moment when he went.

1463
01:10:36,013 --> 01:10:37,452
Speaker 17: I thought everybody knew that.

1464
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:40,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, so did I And I definitely thought that his

1465
01:10:41,293 --> 01:10:44,372
Speaker 2: you know that the council would have told them that.

1466
01:10:44,692 --> 01:10:47,173
Speaker 2: But but but anyway, yeah, I did not know that.

1467
01:10:47,213 --> 01:10:48,132
Speaker 2: But I will continue.

1468
01:10:49,213 --> 01:10:52,092
Speaker 17: But I'll tell you one other thing. That guy that's

1469
01:10:52,652 --> 01:10:55,133
Speaker 17: bringing you and told you he's a solicitor. Yeah, I

1470
01:10:55,133 --> 01:10:56,652
Speaker 17: don't ever get you on a case. Mate.

1471
01:10:58,652 --> 01:11:01,532
Speaker 3: Yeah was she she? I mean I was reading, well,

1472
01:11:01,572 --> 01:11:03,732
Speaker 3: I was reading this morning, Brian. She paid big bucks

1473
01:11:03,732 --> 01:11:05,972
Speaker 3: for that solicitor. He was a big I am over

1474
01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:06,452
Speaker 3: in Australia.

1475
01:11:06,492 --> 01:11:09,812
Speaker 2: It wasn't this solicitor though, I mean, are you with me, Brian?

1476
01:11:09,893 --> 01:11:12,532
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound real this text. She is absolutely innocent.

1477
01:11:12,572 --> 01:11:14,732
Speaker 2: I am a lawyer and have been in contact with

1478
01:11:14,812 --> 01:11:17,213
Speaker 2: other Australian lawyers. We will get this poor lady out.

1479
01:11:17,253 --> 01:11:19,492
Speaker 2: There's something about that that doesn't ring through. I don't

1480
01:11:19,532 --> 01:11:21,972
Speaker 2: know my lawyer might be telling me. Did lawyers prefer

1481
01:11:22,013 --> 01:11:24,213
Speaker 2: to themselves as lawyers in the situation? I'm not sure?

1482
01:11:26,772 --> 01:11:29,732
Speaker 2: But Fellas Fellas just hit me out here. It's already

1483
01:11:29,732 --> 01:11:32,612
Speaker 2: a great Netflix series. How good would it be for

1484
01:11:32,652 --> 01:11:35,213
Speaker 2: one more twist Brian that she was innocent all along?

1485
01:11:35,412 --> 01:11:37,333
Speaker 2: Just there one final episode.

1486
01:11:38,812 --> 01:11:43,053
Speaker 17: It's not going to happen, mate, Yeah.

1487
01:11:42,412 --> 01:11:42,732
Speaker 10: All right?

1488
01:11:42,772 --> 01:11:45,973
Speaker 2: And one final question, Brian, what what led you into it?

1489
01:11:46,013 --> 01:11:49,173
Speaker 2: Because there's there's murder trials around the world and such

1490
01:11:49,173 --> 01:11:52,093
Speaker 2: an interesting one, but what about this one made you

1491
01:11:52,173 --> 01:11:54,293
Speaker 2: follow it? What drew you in? Do you think? Brian?

1492
01:11:55,093 --> 01:11:58,372
Speaker 17: Well, the first thing was that four people looked like

1493
01:11:58,372 --> 01:12:01,933
Speaker 17: they were going to die. Yea, but that really got me.

1494
01:12:02,133 --> 01:12:04,492
Speaker 17: You know, they go to a metal and for them

1495
01:12:04,532 --> 01:12:06,652
Speaker 17: are going to die. And this is the point that

1496
01:12:06,692 --> 01:12:13,372
Speaker 17: you haven't made floats for all got poisoned. She ate

1497
01:12:13,973 --> 01:12:19,732
Speaker 17: supposedly the same meal and nothing, absolutely nothing.

1498
01:12:20,293 --> 01:12:22,892
Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought that testimony she had that

1499
01:12:22,933 --> 01:12:26,093
Speaker 2: she tried to run that line that she was beliemic

1500
01:12:26,173 --> 01:12:28,173
Speaker 2: without us saying she was beliemic, and she had a

1501
01:12:28,213 --> 01:12:31,093
Speaker 2: whole lot of cake afterwards, and that maybe she threw

1502
01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:33,093
Speaker 2: up and that's why she didn't die. There wasn't a

1503
01:12:33,093 --> 01:12:36,133
Speaker 2: lot of credibility in that evidence from her that a

1504
01:12:36,173 --> 01:12:36,973
Speaker 2: lot of people.

1505
01:12:39,812 --> 01:12:42,492
Speaker 25: She's a loser man.

1506
01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:45,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much. Thank you so

1507
01:12:45,293 --> 01:12:46,892
Speaker 2: much for your call, Brian, appreciate it.

1508
01:12:47,013 --> 01:12:50,173
Speaker 3: Good to hear from an Australian. Clearly Brian was knee

1509
01:12:50,213 --> 01:12:52,213
Speaker 3: deep in that trial. Thanks very much, Brian.

1510
01:12:52,492 --> 01:12:54,572
Speaker 2: The Stick says, No, the text don't make you guilty,

1511
01:12:54,612 --> 01:12:57,092
Speaker 2: but I think the fact she feed them poisonous mushrooms

1512
01:12:57,133 --> 01:12:59,333
Speaker 2: probably done. Yeah, I think that was a key, key

1513
01:12:59,412 --> 01:13:01,772
Speaker 2: part of the evidence the jury would that we're considering there.

1514
01:13:02,213 --> 01:13:03,253
Speaker 3: But I still think that.

1515
01:13:03,372 --> 01:13:05,772
Speaker 2: I still think because a lot of people hate they're

1516
01:13:05,772 --> 01:13:09,612
Speaker 2: in laws, right, but normally for him motive and look,

1517
01:13:09,772 --> 01:13:12,572
Speaker 2: people are saying, look, she's crazy, sure, and maybe it

1518
01:13:12,572 --> 01:13:15,253
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, and there's some people that just do

1519
01:13:15,452 --> 01:13:19,372
Speaker 2: things for reasons we can't understand, right. Yeah, absolutely, I

1520
01:13:19,412 --> 01:13:23,732
Speaker 2: get that, but I feel like there needed to be

1521
01:13:24,053 --> 01:13:27,013
Speaker 2: a bigger thing that had happened to her for it

1522
01:13:27,053 --> 01:13:29,412
Speaker 2: to be a motive. And that doesn't mean she didn't

1523
01:13:29,412 --> 01:13:32,013
Speaker 2: do it. I just still think coming out the other end,

1524
01:13:32,093 --> 01:13:35,932
Speaker 2: the motive is unclear and that leaves a few questions.

1525
01:13:36,372 --> 01:13:39,412
Speaker 2: And for this person who's definitely a lawyer with the

1526
01:13:39,452 --> 01:13:42,812
Speaker 2: definite true text definitely happen is getting some lawyers to

1527
01:13:42,812 --> 01:13:43,932
Speaker 2: get in Australia to get her.

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01:13:43,893 --> 01:13:46,253
Speaker 3: Out, so Matt thinks she might be innocent. What do

1529
01:13:46,333 --> 01:13:49,133
Speaker 3: you say at one hundred ten addies another to call

1530
01:13:49,213 --> 01:13:50,333
Speaker 3: it is ten to three.

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01:13:50,452 --> 01:13:51,932
Speaker 2: Great call from Brian, Thank you.

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01:13:54,173 --> 01:13:56,572
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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01:13:56,612 --> 01:14:00,133
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

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01:14:00,173 --> 01:14:02,493
Speaker 1: TALKSB News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: We are talking about the verdict and the Mushroom Coock trial,

1536
01:14:05,213 --> 01:14:08,213
Speaker 3: the trial of Aaron Patterson. She was found guilty on

1537
01:14:08,412 --> 01:14:12,012
Speaker 3: all counts, three of murder and one of attempted murder.

1538
01:14:12,053 --> 01:14:15,612
Speaker 3: One person survive the infamous Beef Wellington dinner or lunch.

1539
01:14:15,652 --> 01:14:18,293
Speaker 3: I should say plenty of techs coming through on this, Matt.

1540
01:14:18,333 --> 01:14:20,612
Speaker 2: Just because they haven't worked out the motive yet, it

1541
01:14:20,652 --> 01:14:23,652
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that there isn't one. She killed them, She's alive,

1542
01:14:24,093 --> 01:14:25,212
Speaker 2: end of story.

1543
01:14:25,572 --> 01:14:25,812
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1544
01:14:25,812 --> 01:14:28,452
Speaker 2: Look, I'm just it just feels a little bit weird

1545
01:14:28,452 --> 01:14:31,053
Speaker 2: for me, and I've locked at all the evidence and

1546
01:14:31,133 --> 01:14:34,133
Speaker 2: it is damning, but it just seems it just leaves

1547
01:14:34,173 --> 01:14:36,532
Speaker 2: a little gap for me that there isn't a really

1548
01:14:36,652 --> 01:14:40,333
Speaker 2: clear motive. And maybe I've watched too many Midsummer murders.

1549
01:14:40,532 --> 01:14:43,452
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I've watched too many. I'll tell you

1550
01:14:43,452 --> 01:14:45,213
Speaker 2: what show though, that you've got to watch. Have you

1551
01:14:45,253 --> 01:14:45,973
Speaker 2: watched Department Q?

1552
01:14:46,333 --> 01:14:48,933
Speaker 3: No, I haven't yet. I've been hearing great things about it.

1553
01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:51,133
Speaker 2: Department Q. I think might be the greatest show I've

1554
01:14:51,173 --> 01:14:54,892
Speaker 2: ever watched. It's on Netflix, Scottish. It's based on some

1555
01:14:55,213 --> 01:14:59,012
Speaker 2: Denmarky and Danish novels. Denmark in Danish novels, I believe,

1556
01:14:59,173 --> 01:15:02,692
Speaker 2: but it's set in Scotland and Edinburgh. It is such

1557
01:15:02,772 --> 01:15:05,572
Speaker 2: a fantastic show. I absolutely loved it. But that's soft topic.

1558
01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:08,253
Speaker 2: Matt thinks everyone is innocent, makes me think he is

1559
01:15:08,333 --> 01:15:11,612
Speaker 2: guilty of something, and the sense says Matt thinks Mark

1560
01:15:11,652 --> 01:15:14,052
Speaker 2: Lundy is innocent for if sake.

1561
01:15:14,572 --> 01:15:16,492
Speaker 3: Well, I just just see the best thing of everybody,

1562
01:15:16,492 --> 01:15:18,812
Speaker 3: don't you, Matt, I just E and Paterson.

1563
01:15:18,893 --> 01:15:21,093
Speaker 2: I just think there's some questions around London. I just

1564
01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:22,333
Speaker 2: think there's some questions, you know.

1565
01:15:22,492 --> 01:15:24,973
Speaker 3: All right, eighty ten eighty get Alistair and.

1566
01:15:24,933 --> 01:15:28,172
Speaker 2: I think there's some questions around mushroom lader get a Alistair.

1567
01:15:28,372 --> 01:15:31,012
Speaker 2: Wel from to show your thoughts thank you.

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01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,692
Speaker 25: Yeah, looks on balance, I think she probably is guilty.

1569
01:15:34,732 --> 01:15:36,173
Speaker 25: But I mean, I think the thing we all need

1570
01:15:36,173 --> 01:15:39,253
Speaker 25: to remember is that none of us sat through ten

1571
01:15:39,293 --> 01:15:42,333
Speaker 25: and ten weeks of evidence and then spend seven days

1572
01:15:42,333 --> 01:15:44,812
Speaker 25: sort of working it all through like the jury that

1573
01:15:45,372 --> 01:15:47,133
Speaker 25: you know. I think we've got snippets and here we

1574
01:15:47,133 --> 01:15:49,253
Speaker 25: can say, well, this piece or that piece of the

1575
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:51,692
Speaker 25: whole story. And I think it's really important that we,

1576
01:15:52,173 --> 01:15:54,053
Speaker 25: you know, we trust their judgment because they're the ones

1577
01:15:54,053 --> 01:15:56,293
Speaker 25: that have heard the whole thing. The one thing that

1578
01:15:56,372 --> 01:15:59,333
Speaker 25: I think is kind of strange with all this, and

1579
01:15:59,492 --> 01:16:03,253
Speaker 25: could probably only happen in Australia, is that while she's

1580
01:16:03,253 --> 01:16:05,812
Speaker 25: been in prison, yours penal system has put her in

1581
01:16:05,812 --> 01:16:07,093
Speaker 25: the kitchen work.

1582
01:16:07,572 --> 01:16:07,772
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1583
01:16:09,133 --> 01:16:11,933
Speaker 25: To me, it's, you know, no surprises.

1584
01:16:13,213 --> 01:16:15,212
Speaker 3: So is that true. I didn't read that she's actually

1585
01:16:15,293 --> 01:16:16,852
Speaker 3: in work in the kitchen as we speak.

1586
01:16:17,293 --> 01:16:21,372
Speaker 25: Yeah, it was in the heralds this morning, kidding.

1587
01:16:23,532 --> 01:16:26,052
Speaker 2: It was interesting that she was in and it makes sense.

1588
01:16:26,133 --> 01:16:27,692
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why I didn't think of this,

1589
01:16:27,772 --> 01:16:29,492
Speaker 2: but the way they took the photos of her arriving

1590
01:16:29,532 --> 01:16:32,012
Speaker 2: at court, it didn't look like she was coming from prison.

1591
01:16:32,053 --> 01:16:34,052
Speaker 2: But she has been in prison for the last two years,

1592
01:16:34,492 --> 01:16:36,852
Speaker 2: and I guess they can't show that shot because it

1593
01:16:36,853 --> 01:16:38,892
Speaker 2: makes her look guilty, if you know what I mean

1594
01:16:39,213 --> 01:16:44,053
Speaker 2: by virtue of coming in and handcuffs and such. But yeah,

1595
01:16:44,053 --> 01:16:47,093
Speaker 2: it So what do you think? And this is a

1596
01:16:47,093 --> 01:16:49,492
Speaker 2: difficult question. I absolutely agree with you that the jurists

1597
01:16:49,532 --> 01:16:52,173
Speaker 2: have sat through so much more evidence than than we

1598
01:16:52,253 --> 01:16:54,812
Speaker 2: have listened to our podcasts and reading our articles and

1599
01:16:54,853 --> 01:16:57,333
Speaker 2: such and our wild speculations. But what piece of evidence

1600
01:16:57,333 --> 01:17:00,293
Speaker 2: did you think was the most damning alistair?

1601
01:17:01,572 --> 01:17:04,133
Speaker 25: The two things for me. One was the fact that

1602
01:17:04,173 --> 01:17:08,253
Speaker 25: she had searched about just kept mushroom.

1603
01:17:08,452 --> 01:17:10,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty why.

1604
01:17:09,933 --> 01:17:12,372
Speaker 25: Would you do that? Why would you do that? And

1605
01:17:12,412 --> 01:17:14,452
Speaker 25: the second thing that they you know, when with the

1606
01:17:14,652 --> 01:17:17,013
Speaker 25: d hydrated when they found it and you know, why

1607
01:17:17,013 --> 01:17:22,812
Speaker 25: would you dispose of it if it's perfectly well working appliant. Yeah,

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01:17:23,053 --> 01:17:25,253
Speaker 25: when they found that there was traces of dipcap and

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01:17:25,293 --> 01:17:29,692
Speaker 25: that as well. So it's like to me, I'm thinking, well, motives, Yeah, okay,

1610
01:17:30,293 --> 01:17:31,892
Speaker 25: one of the previous callers said, you and we don't

1611
01:17:31,933 --> 01:17:35,372
Speaker 25: necessarily know what the motive is. My understanding yet that

1612
01:17:35,452 --> 01:17:39,333
Speaker 25: it's Osaily wasn't one. But I mean, if you turn

1613
01:17:39,372 --> 01:17:42,293
Speaker 25: that around and go, well, why would she google didcat mushrooms?

1614
01:17:42,452 --> 01:17:45,773
Speaker 25: Why would there be traces of dipcat mushroom into the

1615
01:17:46,093 --> 01:17:49,652
Speaker 25: hydrated She hadn't deliberately gone out and looked for it.

1616
01:17:49,973 --> 01:17:52,092
Speaker 2: Hey, we've got to go to the news. But loving

1617
01:17:52,133 --> 01:17:54,932
Speaker 2: talking to ours this. Apologies forving to cut you off there,

1618
01:17:55,013 --> 01:17:57,253
Speaker 2: and let's keep this going because I've got I've got

1619
01:17:57,253 --> 01:18:00,412
Speaker 2: a theory, okay, shocking theory that I want to share

1620
01:18:00,452 --> 01:18:01,092
Speaker 2: after the news.

1621
01:18:01,293 --> 01:18:02,572
Speaker 3: This is going to be it's.

1622
01:18:02,452 --> 01:18:04,333
Speaker 2: Going to get garner me some hate. On nineteen nine

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01:18:04,372 --> 01:18:09,572
Speaker 2: two again stand by for that Newsport Weather on its way.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's Matt

1625
01:18:13,853 --> 01:18:19,413
Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevy Afternoon.

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01:18:19,532 --> 01:18:22,173
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. Seven past three, and we

1627
01:18:22,213 --> 01:18:25,333
Speaker 3: are talking about the verdict in the Aaron Patterson trial.

1628
01:18:25,372 --> 01:18:28,972
Speaker 3: The mushroom cook found guilty on all accounts, three of murder,

1629
01:18:29,013 --> 01:18:33,093
Speaker 3: one of attempted murder. But Matt Heath has some questions

1630
01:18:33,612 --> 01:18:34,732
Speaker 3: about that jury's verdict.

1631
01:18:34,772 --> 01:18:37,412
Speaker 2: Look, I'm just not satisfied with the lack of motive

1632
01:18:37,452 --> 01:18:40,612
Speaker 2: being proved, Okay, So I'm just questioning that I just

1633
01:18:40,652 --> 01:18:43,732
Speaker 2: think that that I would want a stronger motive. I'm

1634
01:18:43,772 --> 01:18:45,812
Speaker 2: not saying she didn't do it, but it just leaves

1635
01:18:45,853 --> 01:18:47,213
Speaker 2: a little bit of hole in the story that no

1636
01:18:47,213 --> 01:18:49,812
Speaker 2: one's given me a really, really strong motive. But I

1637
01:18:49,933 --> 01:18:51,293
Speaker 2: have a theory here.

1638
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:52,173
Speaker 3: It is here, it is.

1639
01:18:52,213 --> 01:18:56,253
Speaker 2: It's a controversial theory cobbled together with half pieces of

1640
01:18:56,253 --> 01:18:57,892
Speaker 2: information and a lot of ignorance.

1641
01:18:57,933 --> 01:18:59,932
Speaker 3: That's the theories we do here on the Afternoon Show.

1642
01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:02,692
Speaker 2: But it is known when you if you've been following

1643
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:05,132
Speaker 2: the case, that she was known as a super sleuth

1644
01:19:05,452 --> 01:19:08,333
Speaker 2: on in the true crime group that she was involved

1645
01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:11,733
Speaker 2: and on Facebook, which she was very active on Facebook,

1646
01:19:12,492 --> 01:19:14,532
Speaker 2: very very interested in the true crime world as a

1647
01:19:14,572 --> 01:19:16,293
Speaker 2: lot of people are. A lot of people are that

1648
01:19:16,372 --> 01:19:19,212
Speaker 2: you met. The podcast, the True Crime podcast is huge.

1649
01:19:19,452 --> 01:19:21,572
Speaker 2: You look at all the murder shows that people love.

1650
01:19:21,732 --> 01:19:24,732
Speaker 2: You've got your Broken Wood Mysteries. You've got they're called

1651
01:19:24,732 --> 01:19:27,692
Speaker 2: Cozy Keller shows, aren't they. You've got your you know,

1652
01:19:27,772 --> 01:19:30,093
Speaker 2: Midsummer Murders. There's hundreds of these shows right on.

1653
01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:32,412
Speaker 3: Netflix Documentary there's a new one each week about a

1654
01:19:32,452 --> 01:19:32,972
Speaker 3: true crime.

1655
01:19:33,093 --> 01:19:35,492
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look, I'm a huge fan of Egarth the

1656
01:19:35,572 --> 01:19:38,532
Speaker 2: Christie and the heirdkle Priors. I like the new one.

1657
01:19:38,532 --> 01:19:40,772
Speaker 2: I like the Haunting of Venice, I like I like

1658
01:19:41,133 --> 01:19:43,852
Speaker 2: Kennis Branner as herkle Puro. It's not they're not as

1659
01:19:43,893 --> 01:19:45,973
Speaker 2: I'm pronouncing it terribly, but that doesn't matter anyway. I

1660
01:19:45,973 --> 01:19:48,772
Speaker 2: love all that stuff. But I've got a theory she's

1661
01:19:48,772 --> 01:19:51,572
Speaker 2: on these on these cases, right, And the way that

1662
01:19:51,652 --> 01:19:55,133
Speaker 2: she reacted in court when she was giving evidence that

1663
01:19:55,452 --> 01:19:58,652
Speaker 2: she decided to just check if the police was stupid

1664
01:19:58,772 --> 01:20:01,253
Speaker 2: enough to have left her phone online so she could

1665
01:20:01,253 --> 01:20:03,932
Speaker 2: attempt to wipe it right, right, And the way she

1666
01:20:04,013 --> 01:20:08,692
Speaker 2: was running multiple sim cards, right, And and the fact

1667
01:20:08,933 --> 01:20:13,013
Speaker 2: that she committed a crime, if in fact she did, well,

1668
01:20:13,053 --> 01:20:16,372
Speaker 2: she's been found guilty of it. That was quite old school.

1669
01:20:16,772 --> 01:20:19,092
Speaker 2: It's a poisoning with a beef Wellington, where you invite

1670
01:20:19,133 --> 01:20:20,092
Speaker 2: people around a table.

1671
01:20:21,173 --> 01:20:22,772
Speaker 3: It's very Agatha Christie.

1672
01:20:23,053 --> 01:20:27,293
Speaker 2: Was she this is my theory. Was she just trying

1673
01:20:27,293 --> 01:20:32,973
Speaker 2: to see if she could pull off a crime, a

1674
01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:36,333
Speaker 2: clever murder, and get away with it. Was that what

1675
01:20:36,372 --> 01:20:38,972
Speaker 2: she was doing. Maybe it's a hell of a theory.

1676
01:20:39,532 --> 01:20:41,652
Speaker 2: So there's a low hatred of the in laws.

1677
01:20:41,692 --> 01:20:42,692
Speaker 3: She just wanted to say.

1678
01:20:42,772 --> 01:20:45,572
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of hatred of laws there, but

1679
01:20:45,893 --> 01:20:48,532
Speaker 2: not enough that I can see for the ultimate motive

1680
01:20:48,572 --> 01:20:51,412
Speaker 2: to do it. But wouldn't it be crazy if she

1681
01:20:51,652 --> 01:20:55,173
Speaker 2: just got into her head pulling off you know, you know,

1682
01:20:56,053 --> 01:20:58,412
Speaker 2: you know, pulling off an incredible crime like she's read

1683
01:20:58,452 --> 01:21:02,812
Speaker 2: about and written about and and you know, and listened

1684
01:21:02,812 --> 01:21:05,212
Speaker 2: to these crazy crimes.

1685
01:21:05,452 --> 01:21:07,013
Speaker 3: That would be a hell of a story. I mean,

1686
01:21:07,013 --> 01:21:09,093
Speaker 3: it's almost like a gone girl, such a where she's

1687
01:21:09,772 --> 01:21:13,092
Speaker 3: conducted this elaborate plan to try and get away with murder.

1688
01:21:13,213 --> 01:21:15,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she thinks she's clever. She had a whole

1689
01:21:15,492 --> 01:21:17,932
Speaker 2: lot of ways of trying to do things. As I said,

1690
01:21:17,973 --> 01:21:20,972
Speaker 2: the different sin cards, she had, the different colored plate

1691
01:21:21,013 --> 01:21:25,812
Speaker 2: allegedly that she was eating off. She's doing this crime

1692
01:21:25,893 --> 01:21:29,412
Speaker 2: with mushrooms, which is such a bizarre crime, which I

1693
01:21:29,412 --> 01:21:31,052
Speaker 2: think is one of the reasons why we're so interested

1694
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:33,013
Speaker 2: in the case because it's so weird and sort of

1695
01:21:33,013 --> 01:21:33,612
Speaker 2: old fashion.

1696
01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:36,092
Speaker 3: The beef Wellington always come back to the Beef Wellington

1697
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:40,092
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Is Matt on the money with this theory?

1698
01:21:40,853 --> 01:21:44,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about this whole case, Maureen?

1699
01:21:44,293 --> 01:21:46,732
Speaker 2: You followed it closely, Yeah.

1700
01:21:46,732 --> 01:21:51,852
Speaker 20: Very very closely, And I think your theory is absolutely rubbish.

1701
01:21:53,253 --> 01:21:58,293
Speaker 24: You said it, motive, motor, greed, money in a woman's

1702
01:21:58,333 --> 01:22:01,572
Speaker 24: score and now all of those factors. And the other

1703
01:22:01,652 --> 01:22:05,292
Speaker 24: thing is I've read it every trans you know, every

1704
01:22:05,293 --> 01:22:09,612
Speaker 24: transcript from the each day's you know try and it's

1705
01:22:09,692 --> 01:22:12,412
Speaker 24: just been so interesting. And then if you look at

1706
01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:17,772
Speaker 24: today's ABC News, it's got a lot of background information. Now,

1707
01:22:18,732 --> 01:22:24,532
Speaker 24: mushroom lady actually passed the exam to be air traffic controller.

1708
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:27,932
Speaker 24: Now this is sort of twenty years ago, and there

1709
01:22:27,973 --> 01:22:30,852
Speaker 24: were so many people and only three got through. Now,

1710
01:22:30,893 --> 01:22:34,372
Speaker 24: she's a very clever woman to be able to pass

1711
01:22:34,412 --> 01:22:35,012
Speaker 24: that exam.

1712
01:22:35,652 --> 01:22:37,452
Speaker 2: Did you think that though she If she is such

1713
01:22:37,452 --> 01:22:41,333
Speaker 2: a clever woman and this is a premeditated murder, do

1714
01:22:41,372 --> 01:22:45,773
Speaker 2: you think that she made some pretty obvious mistakes?

1715
01:22:46,853 --> 01:22:50,772
Speaker 20: Yes, she got she yes, yes, I mean there was

1716
01:22:50,973 --> 01:22:53,572
Speaker 20: right at the beginning. I think it was before the

1717
01:22:53,572 --> 01:22:57,612
Speaker 20: case started. Her husband had been admitted to hospital some

1718
01:22:57,853 --> 01:23:05,213
Speaker 20: time before the mass based mushroom concoction. So you know,

1719
01:23:05,253 --> 01:23:08,612
Speaker 20: maybe maybe she tried it then and it didn't quite

1720
01:23:09,253 --> 01:23:12,452
Speaker 20: you know, it didn't work, or she didn't have enough mushrooms.

1721
01:23:12,492 --> 01:23:16,732
Speaker 20: I don't know, but she had. She's not a stupid woman.

1722
01:23:16,893 --> 01:23:18,732
Speaker 20: She knew what she was doing.

1723
01:23:19,572 --> 01:23:22,932
Speaker 2: She's not mad, she's evil, right, that's interesting. And when

1724
01:23:22,933 --> 01:23:25,692
Speaker 2: you say a woman scorned, how was she scorned? Mareen?

1725
01:23:25,853 --> 01:23:28,852
Speaker 20: Well, she wanted she still liked her husband. I mean,

1726
01:23:28,893 --> 01:23:32,372
Speaker 20: you've got to read everything. She still she wanted her

1727
01:23:32,412 --> 01:23:34,572
Speaker 20: husband to come for lunch. They still had you said,

1728
01:23:34,572 --> 01:23:36,772
Speaker 20: the checks is going backwards and forwards. You know, they

1729
01:23:36,812 --> 01:23:41,652
Speaker 20: were quite friendly. You know, maybe she's still you know,

1730
01:23:41,973 --> 01:23:47,452
Speaker 20: underknown to us. She wanted him in her life. She wasn't.

1731
01:23:47,853 --> 01:23:50,372
Speaker 20: She wasn't short of money because she didn't hear it

1732
01:23:50,412 --> 01:23:53,572
Speaker 20: at nineteen million dollars when Grannie died.

1733
01:23:54,372 --> 01:23:56,253
Speaker 2: That's a strange part of it because she seemed to

1734
01:23:56,253 --> 01:23:58,293
Speaker 2: live quite a frugal life.

1735
01:23:58,652 --> 01:24:01,173
Speaker 20: Yes, but look at the house, wasn't you know, it

1736
01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:03,372
Speaker 20: wasn't a little shack up in the bush.

1737
01:24:05,013 --> 01:24:07,852
Speaker 2: When you say that she she because there were times

1738
01:24:07,893 --> 01:24:10,973
Speaker 2: when she instigated the breakup though, weren't there because they

1739
01:24:10,973 --> 01:24:13,372
Speaker 2: were together and separated a number of times, her and

1740
01:24:13,412 --> 01:24:13,972
Speaker 2: her husband.

1741
01:24:15,532 --> 01:24:18,732
Speaker 20: But yeah, I think I think they were. I think

1742
01:24:18,893 --> 01:24:22,852
Speaker 20: there was several occasions when they separated and then you know,

1743
01:24:22,893 --> 01:24:26,532
Speaker 20: gone back together. And the other thing you said was,

1744
01:24:26,612 --> 01:24:29,253
Speaker 20: you know you couldn't understand why it took so long

1745
01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:31,692
Speaker 20: for the jury to come to the verdict, but that

1746
01:24:31,812 --> 01:24:35,972
Speaker 20: judge would have directed them to do everything by the book,

1747
01:24:36,492 --> 01:24:40,213
Speaker 20: because who wants to have another trial lasting nine and

1748
01:24:40,293 --> 01:24:42,492
Speaker 20: a half week and you've got to pay.

1749
01:24:42,333 --> 01:24:46,372
Speaker 2: For accommodation and Moreenie did say, as I was saying before,

1750
01:24:46,692 --> 01:24:50,013
Speaker 2: that the lack of motive was something that could be

1751
01:24:50,253 --> 01:24:52,772
Speaker 2: in her favor, didn't he I'm not getting the words right,

1752
01:24:53,173 --> 01:24:55,372
Speaker 2: So that might have made them deliberate a bit longer,

1753
01:24:55,933 --> 01:24:56,213
Speaker 2: you know.

1754
01:24:56,492 --> 01:24:59,173
Speaker 20: Discussing the moment so much that they had to go

1755
01:24:59,333 --> 01:25:01,892
Speaker 20: back over. I mean it was it was a lot

1756
01:25:01,973 --> 01:25:05,852
Speaker 20: to absorb, you know, you just think over seven to nine.

1757
01:25:05,652 --> 01:25:08,052
Speaker 2: Weeks, so much digital for evidence.

1758
01:25:09,093 --> 01:25:11,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I still can't see her as a criminal mastermind,

1759
01:25:12,013 --> 01:25:16,013
Speaker 3: Maureen that if she had been planning this for months.

1760
01:25:16,093 --> 01:25:18,973
Speaker 3: Just the fact that she looked up death cap mushrooms

1761
01:25:18,973 --> 01:25:21,732
Speaker 3: on her own device and then was caught trying to

1762
01:25:21,772 --> 01:25:24,293
Speaker 3: get rid of the dehydrator at the local waste factory

1763
01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:28,573
Speaker 3: where CCTV was very obvious if you're aware a criminal mastermind,

1764
01:25:28,812 --> 01:25:30,652
Speaker 3: clearly she might not have been a dummy, but she

1765
01:25:30,732 --> 01:25:31,972
Speaker 3: made some stupid mistakes.

1766
01:25:32,532 --> 01:25:35,732
Speaker 20: She did make some stupid mistakes, but don't clever people

1767
01:25:35,893 --> 01:25:38,093
Speaker 20: in the end make stupid mistakes.

1768
01:25:38,133 --> 01:25:41,092
Speaker 2: She did seem arrogant in some ways as well, Maureen,

1769
01:25:41,173 --> 01:25:43,293
Speaker 2: that example I was saying before where she was saying,

1770
01:25:43,293 --> 01:25:45,052
Speaker 2: I was going to check if the cops, the police

1771
01:25:45,093 --> 01:25:47,293
Speaker 2: was stupid enough to leave my phone on. There was

1772
01:25:47,293 --> 01:25:48,972
Speaker 2: a certain amount of arrogance to that comment.

1773
01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:51,693
Speaker 1: Didn't you think there was arrogance?

1774
01:25:51,772 --> 01:25:53,253
Speaker 20: And I mean, at the end of the day, you've

1775
01:25:53,253 --> 01:25:54,852
Speaker 20: got to feel sorry for her kids, don't you.

1776
01:25:54,853 --> 01:25:55,013
Speaker 4: Oh?

1777
01:25:55,253 --> 01:25:58,732
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Boy? Hey, but you say that she wanted her

1778
01:25:58,772 --> 01:26:02,532
Speaker 2: husband back. You think if her husband had turned up

1779
01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:06,133
Speaker 2: to the Beef Wellington extravaganza that she would have taken

1780
01:26:06,133 --> 01:26:06,852
Speaker 2: his life as well.

1781
01:26:07,173 --> 01:26:12,012
Speaker 26: That was part of He would be dead, Yeah, it'd

1782
01:26:12,013 --> 01:26:12,293
Speaker 26: be dead.

1783
01:26:12,372 --> 01:26:15,652
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I mean who knows. Who knows what goes

1784
01:26:15,732 --> 01:26:21,013
Speaker 20: through the mind of someone who can make beef well Wellington.

1785
01:26:21,333 --> 01:26:25,133
Speaker 20: I've never made it, actually, so don't worry. I'll stick

1786
01:26:25,213 --> 01:26:26,173
Speaker 20: to my shortbread.

1787
01:26:26,492 --> 01:26:27,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much.

1788
01:26:28,293 --> 01:26:31,572
Speaker 3: And Maureene just quickly, Maureene has messaged through that article

1789
01:26:31,612 --> 01:26:34,253
Speaker 3: on on ABC's whoever read it? That the background about

1790
01:26:34,253 --> 01:26:35,252
Speaker 3: who was there in prisoners?

1791
01:26:35,372 --> 01:26:37,452
Speaker 2: Was it nineteen million dollars or two million dollars?

1792
01:26:37,532 --> 01:26:39,333
Speaker 3: I thought it was two million dollars that was the

1793
01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:41,652
Speaker 3: inheritance she got from her grandmother. I mean, that's a

1794
01:26:41,652 --> 01:26:43,532
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of money in anyone's standards, But

1795
01:26:43,973 --> 01:26:45,333
Speaker 3: fourteen I didn't read that.

1796
01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:48,133
Speaker 2: If she inherited nineteen million dollars as a Texan who

1797
01:26:48,133 --> 01:26:50,333
Speaker 2: gets that? Could she have been set up? Is there

1798
01:26:50,372 --> 01:26:53,492
Speaker 2: another angle to it? Hey, look, there's been about one

1799
01:26:53,492 --> 01:26:55,892
Speaker 2: thousand text saying that my theory is idiotic, and I

1800
01:26:55,973 --> 01:26:58,612
Speaker 2: accept that, But this textasy is Matt, your theory might

1801
01:26:58,652 --> 01:27:00,052
Speaker 2: not be as silly as it sounds.

1802
01:27:00,532 --> 01:27:02,692
Speaker 3: Left of that, there's no context. I mean, why isn't

1803
01:27:02,692 --> 01:27:05,813
Speaker 3: it as silly as it sounds. She's on true crime podcasts.

1804
01:27:05,973 --> 01:27:08,052
Speaker 3: I mean, she's a big fan of true crime podcast

1805
01:27:08,492 --> 01:27:12,092
Speaker 3: on a true crime group that she's commenting on constantly

1806
01:27:12,173 --> 01:27:16,132
Speaker 3: on Facebook, and then she commits a murder that seems

1807
01:27:16,973 --> 01:27:21,692
Speaker 3: the perfect, perfect murder for a true crime podcast. Does

1808
01:27:21,772 --> 01:27:24,093
Speaker 3: no one else think that's a coincidence that perhaps she

1809
01:27:24,732 --> 01:27:27,812
Speaker 3: was so embroiled in the world that she started to

1810
01:27:27,812 --> 01:27:30,133
Speaker 3: believe that she was clever than in people and that

1811
01:27:30,173 --> 01:27:33,293
Speaker 3: she could put together this this murder and get away

1812
01:27:33,293 --> 01:27:35,532
Speaker 3: with it. I mean, I don't see, I don't see

1813
01:27:35,532 --> 01:27:37,053
Speaker 3: why everyone's calling me such a more on for that.

1814
01:27:37,812 --> 01:27:39,492
Speaker 3: I've said way stupid of things in this on the

1815
01:27:39,532 --> 01:27:41,532
Speaker 3: show and got less hate. Keep keep them coming at

1816
01:27:41,532 --> 01:27:45,093
Speaker 3: Matt nine two ninety nine two. It is sixteen past three.

1817
01:27:45,093 --> 01:27:48,532
Speaker 3: Back very shortly the more of your calls, very good afternoon,

1818
01:27:48,612 --> 01:27:51,013
Speaker 3: nineteen past three. We're talking about the verdict and the

1819
01:27:51,013 --> 01:27:54,052
Speaker 3: Aaron Patterson trial. The mushroom Cook guilty on all counts.

1820
01:27:54,133 --> 01:27:56,973
Speaker 3: Matt thinks his questions to be asked, and maybe she

1821
01:27:57,093 --> 01:28:01,253
Speaker 3: got so infatuated with true crime and her Facebook group

1822
01:28:01,572 --> 01:28:03,812
Speaker 3: that she tried to see if she could pull off

1823
01:28:03,853 --> 01:28:04,652
Speaker 3: the ultimate murder.

1824
01:28:04,772 --> 01:28:06,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my theory and I'm sticking with it. So

1825
01:28:07,053 --> 01:28:10,772
Speaker 2: that's why she could pay for such a flash defense.

1826
01:28:11,053 --> 01:28:13,093
Speaker 2: Was that that money that she got from her grandmother

1827
01:28:13,173 --> 01:28:17,293
Speaker 2: that she should a two million dollar bequests? That's quite interesting. Hey, guys,

1828
01:28:17,333 --> 01:28:19,372
Speaker 2: I still don't think she is guilty of murder. Why

1829
01:28:19,372 --> 01:28:23,013
Speaker 2: would she want to kill them? Yeah's the motive? Yeah, Yes,

1830
01:28:23,173 --> 01:28:25,013
Speaker 2: here's the theory for you. Maybe all along she just

1831
01:28:25,053 --> 01:28:27,253
Speaker 2: wanted to be infamous. She may have had such a

1832
01:28:27,372 --> 01:28:30,412
Speaker 2: mundane life that she thought I'll just plan a murder,

1833
01:28:30,452 --> 01:28:32,372
Speaker 2: but not a very good murder, so I go to court,

1834
01:28:32,412 --> 01:28:35,133
Speaker 2: get convicted and have everybody talking about me. How's that? Well,

1835
01:28:35,173 --> 01:28:37,253
Speaker 2: everyone is talking about her. If I tell her that

1836
01:28:37,333 --> 01:28:38,532
Speaker 2: was her goal, then she's achieved it.

1837
01:28:38,612 --> 01:28:40,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done. She's getting a movie in her name,

1838
01:28:40,372 --> 01:28:40,972
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

1839
01:28:42,612 --> 01:28:44,972
Speaker 2: Matt, you are absolutely right. Department Keew was the best

1840
01:28:44,973 --> 01:28:47,492
Speaker 2: series I've ever watched. I believe they are making a

1841
01:28:47,492 --> 01:28:49,732
Speaker 2: follow up series from Mickey. Yeah, he goes, So someone

1842
01:28:49,732 --> 01:28:52,612
Speaker 2: agrees with my theory that Department U is a great show.

1843
01:28:52,893 --> 01:28:54,093
Speaker 3: Phil, what do you reckon?

1844
01:28:56,772 --> 01:29:00,012
Speaker 26: Well, just before I get onto that, since I can't

1845
01:29:00,013 --> 01:29:01,492
Speaker 26: bring it twice, I know you're going to do the

1846
01:29:01,532 --> 01:29:05,652
Speaker 26: old Corona Hotel as Kadrona Okale as well. And I've

1847
01:29:05,652 --> 01:29:07,652
Speaker 26: seen a little bit on TV about it, and yeah,

1848
01:29:07,692 --> 01:29:09,492
Speaker 26: I thought, what a neat thing it would be to

1849
01:29:09,572 --> 01:29:12,612
Speaker 26: boy and a lovely little lifestyle and community to live

1850
01:29:12,652 --> 01:29:15,972
Speaker 26: in with the people around it. Now, so that's that one.

1851
01:29:16,732 --> 01:29:16,932
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1852
01:29:16,933 --> 01:29:20,173
Speaker 26: I don't think Matt there is as crazy as as

1853
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:24,052
Speaker 26: some people might think. It's down to a bit o cave.

1854
01:29:24,133 --> 01:29:26,532
Speaker 26: She had a bit of an arcissistic personality, then she

1855
01:29:26,612 --> 01:29:30,692
Speaker 26: might have wanted to just do that. And also I'm

1856
01:29:30,732 --> 01:29:35,173
Speaker 26: sure it has happened before you know, you could look

1857
01:29:35,692 --> 01:29:39,612
Speaker 26: look and find cases where people did commit herus crimes

1858
01:29:40,173 --> 01:29:42,213
Speaker 26: inus crimes like murder and not just to try and

1859
01:29:42,253 --> 01:29:46,053
Speaker 26: get away with it, you know, to be smart. And

1860
01:29:46,053 --> 01:29:50,333
Speaker 26: and the Texas before mentioned that as well, that sort

1861
01:29:50,333 --> 01:29:51,892
Speaker 26: of thing, And I just can't think of the word

1862
01:29:51,893 --> 01:29:53,612
Speaker 26: to you. But yeah, it's not it's not out of

1863
01:29:53,612 --> 01:29:59,093
Speaker 26: this world. But yeah, I was going to say too,

1864
01:29:59,133 --> 01:30:01,053
Speaker 26: like I can't believe she's working in the kitchen and

1865
01:30:01,093 --> 01:30:02,852
Speaker 26: the Aussie thing in the present. I'd go on a

1866
01:30:02,933 --> 01:30:03,773
Speaker 26: hunger strike.

1867
01:30:05,213 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 3: Exactly. Phil, Thank you for so much for giving us

1868
01:30:07,812 --> 01:30:10,412
Speaker 3: a buzz a couple of texts coming through here.

1869
01:30:10,572 --> 01:30:13,253
Speaker 2: Hi, Matt, I absolutely agree with your theory. She seemed

1870
01:30:13,253 --> 01:30:16,532
Speaker 2: to be the epitome of a narcissist personality, confident in

1871
01:30:16,572 --> 01:30:19,612
Speaker 2: creating the perfect crime. I mean, it could be if

1872
01:30:19,612 --> 01:30:21,652
Speaker 2: it wasn't. I mean, and you know, when you're talking

1873
01:30:21,652 --> 01:30:24,733
Speaker 2: about these things, there are three people that died. Absolutely,

1874
01:30:25,013 --> 01:30:29,253
Speaker 2: But it does feel a lot like a Midsummer murder plot,

1875
01:30:29,293 --> 01:30:32,052
Speaker 2: doesn't it, or a broken Wood mystery plot the whole.

1876
01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:38,293
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it's it's captured the imagination

1877
01:30:38,372 --> 01:30:40,492
Speaker 2: of the world because it's such an old school crime

1878
01:30:40,812 --> 01:30:45,612
Speaker 2: and So if you accept that, Tyler and you lovely listeners,

1879
01:30:45,612 --> 01:30:48,173
Speaker 2: If you accept that, and then you also have the

1880
01:30:48,213 --> 01:30:51,372
Speaker 2: information that she was obsessed with true crime stories to

1881
01:30:51,412 --> 01:30:54,333
Speaker 2: the point where she was on true crime forums talking

1882
01:30:54,333 --> 01:30:56,213
Speaker 2: about it. Doesn't that seem like a little bit of

1883
01:30:56,213 --> 01:30:56,813
Speaker 2: a coincidence?

1884
01:30:56,893 --> 01:30:59,732
Speaker 3: So you think this is almost like a heavenly creature situation.

1885
01:30:59,853 --> 01:31:03,173
Speaker 3: Pauline Parker, she was in a fantasy land and she

1886
01:31:03,333 --> 01:31:05,412
Speaker 3: just decided that, Hey, you know what would make my

1887
01:31:05,452 --> 01:31:07,092
Speaker 3: life good? Murdering four people?

1888
01:31:07,812 --> 01:31:10,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe who knows, Maybe she's crazy, who knows,

1889
01:31:10,412 --> 01:31:13,213
Speaker 2: But but it just seems a coincidence to me that

1890
01:31:13,652 --> 01:31:16,212
Speaker 2: she was interested in true crime and then she committed

1891
01:31:16,253 --> 01:31:20,333
Speaker 2: the most trumed crime podcast built for a true crime podcast,

1892
01:31:20,452 --> 01:31:22,852
Speaker 2: murder that's ever been committed in the history of humanity.

1893
01:31:22,893 --> 01:31:25,133
Speaker 3: It's getting more compelling this theory. Oh eight hundred eighty

1894
01:31:25,213 --> 01:31:27,213
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty

1895
01:31:27,213 --> 01:31:27,892
Speaker 3: two past.

1896
01:31:27,652 --> 01:31:35,053
Speaker 1: Three, Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight

1897
01:31:35,173 --> 01:31:38,013
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on youth Talk said the.

1898
01:31:37,732 --> 01:31:41,333
Speaker 2: Twenty five past three tim your thoughts on the mushroom

1899
01:31:41,452 --> 01:31:42,333
Speaker 2: Lady verdict?

1900
01:31:43,772 --> 01:31:49,173
Speaker 5: Okay, good aftern Gentlemen, First up, she's a vile Harodin.

1901
01:31:50,253 --> 01:31:56,372
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm I'm just googling harodon I haven't heard

1902
01:31:56,372 --> 01:31:57,532
Speaker 3: that phrase, but I like it.

1903
01:31:58,692 --> 01:32:01,772
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it sort of fits here. It was made

1904
01:32:01,772 --> 01:32:04,892
Speaker 5: for hair. I think there's a few around. But anyway,

1905
01:32:05,412 --> 01:32:07,812
Speaker 5: I'll probably get some stick for that, but it is

1906
01:32:07,853 --> 01:32:08,333
Speaker 5: what it is.

1907
01:32:08,412 --> 01:32:08,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, carry on.

1908
01:32:10,173 --> 01:32:13,812
Speaker 5: She sounds like a pretty much a narcissist and yes,

1909
01:32:14,093 --> 01:32:18,493
Speaker 5: totally ego driven. And I'm sure she's very clever and intelligent.

1910
01:32:18,612 --> 01:32:22,133
Speaker 5: She sounds like she's a lot more clever than I am.

1911
01:32:22,452 --> 01:32:25,333
Speaker 5: But I'm clever enough not to go and try and

1912
01:32:25,412 --> 01:32:26,652
Speaker 5: knock over three people?

1913
01:32:26,973 --> 01:32:28,852
Speaker 2: Are there three people you want to knock over? Tom?

1914
01:32:29,652 --> 01:32:33,053
Speaker 5: No, that's the thing there, there's the start of it there.

1915
01:32:33,853 --> 01:32:37,572
Speaker 5: And even if they even if they're aware, oh, I

1916
01:32:37,572 --> 01:32:39,812
Speaker 5: don't know, I'd go for a walk or something, or

1917
01:32:40,893 --> 01:32:44,333
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, Dan had a kick a

1918
01:32:44,372 --> 01:32:46,253
Speaker 5: banana box out in the yard or something.

1919
01:32:46,532 --> 01:32:48,732
Speaker 2: I'm sure your family, your family will be happy to

1920
01:32:48,732 --> 01:32:51,173
Speaker 2: hear this, Tim.

1921
01:32:50,372 --> 01:32:56,213
Speaker 5: They'll be extended. Actually, and actually i am. I'm a

1922
01:32:56,333 --> 01:32:57,092
Speaker 5: very good cook.

1923
01:32:58,013 --> 01:33:00,853
Speaker 2: But you know, is there a beef Wellington in your repertoire?

1924
01:33:02,173 --> 01:33:05,253
Speaker 5: Actually there isn't. It's not something You're cackled, you know what,

1925
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:06,692
Speaker 5: because I'm not clever enough.

1926
01:33:07,013 --> 01:33:13,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm a one part guy. Yeah, thanks for

1927
01:33:13,133 --> 01:33:16,372
Speaker 2: you cool, Tim, I appreciate that. Look, Okay, let's be honest.

1928
01:33:16,452 --> 01:33:19,293
Speaker 2: How many of us have googled death cat mushrooms since

1929
01:33:19,293 --> 01:33:21,973
Speaker 2: the murder happened. Are we incriminating ourselves by doing so?

1930
01:33:22,333 --> 01:33:22,492
Speaker 5: Good?

1931
01:33:22,572 --> 01:33:24,692
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the next step is committing murders with

1932
01:33:24,772 --> 01:33:26,893
Speaker 2: death cat mushrooms. Besides, you don't know, and it'll be

1933
01:33:26,973 --> 01:33:29,213
Speaker 2: checking your history. You're allowed to look at them, don't

1934
01:33:29,253 --> 01:33:31,972
Speaker 2: you know that every middle aged woman loves a true

1935
01:33:32,053 --> 01:33:36,372
Speaker 2: crime podcast, including me. Therefore that sort of rule. So

1936
01:33:36,532 --> 01:33:38,692
Speaker 2: that's pushing back on my theory that she was into

1937
01:33:38,812 --> 01:33:41,213
Speaker 2: true crime podcasts in the true crime world and then

1938
01:33:41,213 --> 01:33:45,892
Speaker 2: she committed a true crime type murder. Therefore that perhaps

1939
01:33:45,933 --> 01:33:47,293
Speaker 2: that was her motive to try and see if she

1940
01:33:47,333 --> 01:33:51,412
Speaker 2: could pull one off. But if every single woman is watching, listening,

1941
01:33:51,452 --> 01:33:53,972
Speaker 2: and watching these, then it doesn't really help my theory,

1942
01:33:54,013 --> 01:33:56,293
Speaker 2: does it. Matt, Your theory is so stupid it might

1943
01:33:56,293 --> 01:33:56,932
Speaker 2: actually be true.

1944
01:33:56,933 --> 01:34:02,852
Speaker 3: Thanks Muzzu. And this one here, Matt and Tyler Dave

1945
01:34:02,893 --> 01:34:05,852
Speaker 3: the Mad Scotsman here, Matt, your bang on the money mate.

1946
01:34:05,893 --> 01:34:07,972
Speaker 3: She was trying to prove to herself that she could

1947
01:34:08,732 --> 01:34:11,293
Speaker 3: worry not about the moronic non believers. We can just

1948
01:34:11,372 --> 01:34:13,412
Speaker 3: taser them in ues. Department Q was awesome.

1949
01:34:13,492 --> 01:34:17,372
Speaker 2: There you go, so dave me and you are kindred spirits.

1950
01:34:17,692 --> 01:34:20,692
Speaker 2: We love Department Q. We think it was all an

1951
01:34:20,732 --> 01:34:24,692
Speaker 2: elaborate attempt at committing the perfect true crime murder, and

1952
01:34:24,893 --> 01:34:26,852
Speaker 2: we want to taser non believers. It's brilliant.

1953
01:34:26,973 --> 01:34:29,492
Speaker 3: You've written too many TV shows and film scripts men.

1954
01:34:30,053 --> 01:34:32,692
Speaker 2: Hey guys, or did one of her true crime groups

1955
01:34:32,692 --> 01:34:36,412
Speaker 2: cohers or into it? Have we got time for Barbara?

1956
01:34:36,492 --> 01:34:36,852
Speaker 5: We we do.

1957
01:34:37,213 --> 01:34:39,612
Speaker 2: We've got time for one last call, Barbara, Welcome to

1958
01:34:39,652 --> 01:34:39,972
Speaker 2: the show.

1959
01:34:40,973 --> 01:34:43,732
Speaker 27: Hi, thank you. Just a couple of things. If she's

1960
01:34:43,772 --> 01:34:47,612
Speaker 27: a true crime podcast or your true crime person, surely

1961
01:34:47,692 --> 01:34:49,692
Speaker 27: she'd realize that the first thing the cops would do

1962
01:34:49,732 --> 01:34:52,693
Speaker 27: would be long to see what she'd be googling about mushrooms.

1963
01:34:52,893 --> 01:34:54,213
Speaker 21: So that's one thing.

1964
01:34:55,532 --> 01:35:00,133
Speaker 27: The other thing is said anyone look into her relationship

1965
01:35:00,173 --> 01:35:04,253
Speaker 27: with her ex. I read he'd reread you know, he'd

1966
01:35:04,293 --> 01:35:06,732
Speaker 27: read of course as children, but he'd been around for

1967
01:35:06,772 --> 01:35:09,412
Speaker 27: about five years and that only start arguing in the

1968
01:35:09,492 --> 01:35:12,492
Speaker 27: last few months. I read, had he somebody got a

1969
01:35:12,532 --> 01:35:16,413
Speaker 27: new interest or something like that. I haven't.

1970
01:35:16,532 --> 01:35:18,412
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of that. I did see his

1971
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:21,213
Speaker 2: you know, read his testimony in court, and he came

1972
01:35:21,253 --> 01:35:24,892
Speaker 2: across as a thoroughly decent man who also didn't really

1973
01:35:24,893 --> 01:35:28,213
Speaker 2: have anything bad to say about it or anything too

1974
01:35:28,293 --> 01:35:35,053
Speaker 2: bad considering you know that the three murders. It would

1975
01:35:35,053 --> 01:35:37,692
Speaker 2: be interesting to find out because the word woman scorned

1976
01:35:37,692 --> 01:35:39,892
Speaker 2: has been thrown around quite a bit in the text machine.

1977
01:35:40,013 --> 01:35:43,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion. Thank you so much to everybody who

1978
01:35:43,293 --> 01:35:45,852
Speaker 3: called and text and I guess we'll find out, Matt Eno.

1979
01:35:45,893 --> 01:35:48,452
Speaker 3: If that lawyer who texts before is heading to Australia

1980
01:35:48,492 --> 01:35:51,333
Speaker 3: as we speak to try and form a case to

1981
01:35:51,333 --> 01:35:53,293
Speaker 3: get her out, that would be a hell of a twist.

1982
01:35:53,372 --> 01:35:56,692
Speaker 2: Yet I call bs on that text, but I wouldn't

1983
01:35:56,692 --> 01:35:58,932
Speaker 2: be surprised. I mean, you know, when there's these high

1984
01:35:58,933 --> 01:36:01,213
Speaker 2: profile cases, someone normally does pop out of the woodwork

1985
01:36:01,253 --> 01:36:03,293
Speaker 2: to try and prove the person's innocence. You know, we've

1986
01:36:03,293 --> 01:36:04,372
Speaker 2: seen it a lot in this country.

1987
01:36:04,412 --> 01:36:07,133
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, coming up after the headlines with ray Lean,

1988
01:36:07,372 --> 01:36:09,372
Speaker 3: we want to have a chat about the Kadrona hotel.

1989
01:36:09,412 --> 01:36:12,053
Speaker 3: It is up for sale. Matt Heath was interested in

1990
01:36:12,093 --> 01:36:14,412
Speaker 3: it to his partner about buying it. But we want

1991
01:36:14,412 --> 01:36:16,892
Speaker 3: to ask the question, have you taken on a business

1992
01:36:16,973 --> 01:36:20,972
Speaker 3: like this, a romantic little cottage or wee boutique hideaway and.

1993
01:36:21,173 --> 01:36:24,213
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful idea. You buy the Codrona Pub, one

1994
01:36:24,253 --> 01:36:26,132
Speaker 2: of the most iconic pubs in the country. I absolutely

1995
01:36:26,173 --> 01:36:28,133
Speaker 2: love the area. I love the place, have been there

1996
01:36:28,133 --> 01:36:31,213
Speaker 2: a lot, I've stayed there. You buy it, you move

1997
01:36:31,253 --> 01:36:33,173
Speaker 2: in there, You become a pillar of the community. You

1998
01:36:33,213 --> 01:36:35,892
Speaker 2: and your partner, you worked there, You meet people, you

1999
01:36:35,933 --> 01:36:38,653
Speaker 2: know everyone in the neighborhood, You know all the suppliers,

2000
01:36:38,772 --> 01:36:42,612
Speaker 2: You feed locals, and you and you and you hydrate

2001
01:36:42,652 --> 01:36:45,532
Speaker 2: locals and tourists coming through. It just sounds like a beautiful,

2002
01:36:45,652 --> 01:36:47,892
Speaker 2: romantic thing to do. But e one hundred and eighty

2003
01:36:47,933 --> 01:36:50,532
Speaker 2: ten to eighty is there things people need to look out?

2004
01:36:50,572 --> 01:36:53,213
Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with this romantic vision of buying

2005
01:36:53,452 --> 01:36:55,892
Speaker 2: a pub like this and moving in and running.

2006
01:36:56,013 --> 01:36:58,052
Speaker 3: Looking forward to that and coming up after the headlines

2007
01:36:58,053 --> 01:36:59,532
Speaker 3: as well, we will have a chat with the current

2008
01:36:59,572 --> 01:37:02,732
Speaker 3: owner of Kadrona Hotel, Caid Thornton. It has bang on

2009
01:37:02,812 --> 01:37:03,772
Speaker 3: HP pass three.

2010
01:37:06,293 --> 01:37:08,612
Speaker 1: US talk said the headlines.

2011
01:37:08,452 --> 01:37:11,532
Speaker 13: Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2012
01:37:12,013 --> 01:37:16,892
Speaker 13: Contrasting views of as regulatory Standards bill, The Taxpayer's Union

2013
01:37:16,973 --> 01:37:21,213
Speaker 13: is a fan and claims current regulations hold back our economy.

2014
01:37:21,772 --> 01:37:27,052
Speaker 13: The CTU says reputable organizations oppose this minority party bill

2015
01:37:27,333 --> 01:37:30,812
Speaker 13: and the tail needs to stop wagging the dog. Uber

2016
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:34,133
Speaker 13: drivers have been protesting the company's Supreme Court bid to

2017
01:37:34,253 --> 01:37:38,372
Speaker 13: overturn a ruling four drivers where employees. Uber says the

2018
01:37:38,452 --> 01:37:40,932
Speaker 13: hearing willk of clarity on the place of gig work

2019
01:37:41,372 --> 01:37:46,812
Speaker 13: and insists its protecting drivers flexibility and independence. Police in

2020
01:37:46,853 --> 01:37:49,892
Speaker 13: Auckland are asking to hear from anyone with information about

2021
01:37:49,933 --> 01:37:55,293
Speaker 13: eight graves vandalized outside Parnell's historic Saint Stephen's Chapel, built

2022
01:37:55,333 --> 01:37:58,932
Speaker 13: in eighteen fifty seven. The gravestones have been pushed over

2023
01:37:59,053 --> 01:38:02,932
Speaker 13: and broken up. The Science Minister has announced our first

2024
01:38:02,973 --> 01:38:06,892
Speaker 13: AI strategy, saying it'll show the world we're ready to

2025
01:38:06,933 --> 01:38:10,732
Speaker 13: take advantage of the tech. Astronomers are hailing the passage

2026
01:38:10,772 --> 01:38:13,732
Speaker 13: of a comet through our solar system as a unique

2027
01:38:13,732 --> 01:38:19,133
Speaker 13: opportunity to study something from an alien world. How superannuation

2028
01:38:19,412 --> 01:38:22,732
Speaker 13: can remain affordable and sustainable. See the full column at

2029
01:38:22,853 --> 01:38:26,293
Speaker 13: ends at Herald Premium Back Martin matte Ethan Tyner Adams.

2030
01:38:26,293 --> 01:38:28,612
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen Well. Arguably one of the

2031
01:38:28,612 --> 01:38:32,772
Speaker 3: most iconic hotels in New Zealand, the Kadrona Hotel. It

2032
01:38:32,853 --> 01:38:36,652
Speaker 3: is set for sale later this year. The owner is

2033
01:38:36,692 --> 01:38:39,372
Speaker 3: asked for offers in a month's time, but it is

2034
01:38:39,652 --> 01:38:41,972
Speaker 3: looking like it's setting the record as New Zealand's most

2035
01:38:42,053 --> 01:38:45,852
Speaker 3: viewed for sale property of all time. This morning it

2036
01:38:45,893 --> 01:38:47,532
Speaker 3: was at twenty eight thousand, and we'll find out how

2037
01:38:47,532 --> 01:38:50,812
Speaker 3: many people have looked very shortly. But the owner of

2038
01:38:51,412 --> 01:38:54,692
Speaker 3: the Kadrona Hotel is Caid Thornton and he joins us

2039
01:38:54,973 --> 01:38:57,932
Speaker 3: on the line right now. Cade, very good afternoon to.

2040
01:38:57,893 --> 01:38:59,812
Speaker 11: You, Good afternoon to you.

2041
01:38:59,893 --> 01:39:01,892
Speaker 2: How are you very good? Thanks, Kate, tell us the

2042
01:39:01,893 --> 01:39:04,372
Speaker 2: story about how you become the you became the owner

2043
01:39:04,412 --> 01:39:05,412
Speaker 2: of the Codrona Pub.

2044
01:39:06,213 --> 01:39:11,093
Speaker 11: It's a long time ago now, twelve we Mate and

2045
01:39:11,133 --> 01:39:14,532
Speaker 11: I were looking for changes after the earthquakes and Christ

2046
01:39:14,572 --> 01:39:18,293
Speaker 11: hitch and organized a bit of a getaway in the dune,

2047
01:39:19,013 --> 01:39:21,093
Speaker 11: a bit of a roachrip around the South Island and

2048
01:39:21,412 --> 01:39:25,053
Speaker 11: came across the Cadrona Hotel. Loved it. Never knew it

2049
01:39:25,093 --> 01:39:27,133
Speaker 11: was the sale I've got a great photo my business

2050
01:39:27,133 --> 01:39:30,053
Speaker 11: partner walking in in the pouring rain, and then we

2051
01:39:30,253 --> 01:39:33,692
Speaker 11: got the CHRYSTI sudden look at options, they didn't look out.

2052
01:39:33,772 --> 01:39:35,612
Speaker 11: And then it was my mother who found the place

2053
01:39:35,612 --> 01:39:39,253
Speaker 11: of sale. We thought, oh, well that wanted about afford

2054
01:39:39,293 --> 01:39:40,812
Speaker 11: that or I got we'll go down and have a look,

2055
01:39:41,452 --> 01:39:44,532
Speaker 11: and yeah, one thing led to another and after six

2056
01:39:44,572 --> 01:39:45,732
Speaker 11: months we ended up owning it.

2057
01:39:45,973 --> 01:39:47,133
Speaker 17: I'm still probably in shock.

2058
01:39:47,213 --> 01:39:53,732
Speaker 2: Actually, what do you think the Kadrona Hotel has captured

2059
01:39:53,732 --> 01:39:57,213
Speaker 2: the imagination of the country now and for the longest time.

2060
01:39:57,372 --> 01:39:59,253
Speaker 2: What is it about it? Because it's a magical place.

2061
01:40:00,692 --> 01:40:04,173
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know what, there's not one thing I think.

2062
01:40:04,812 --> 01:40:07,293
Speaker 11: I mean, it's been you know, in famous in New

2063
01:40:07,333 --> 01:40:11,732
Speaker 11: Zealans for I think in space that went a long

2064
01:40:11,772 --> 01:40:14,452
Speaker 11: way to help that. And I just think geographically where

2065
01:40:14,452 --> 01:40:17,492
Speaker 11: it is. You know, it's between two tourist towns. Everyone visits,

2066
01:40:17,133 --> 01:40:21,692
Speaker 11: so it gets it gets noticed, I think, and in

2067
01:40:21,772 --> 01:40:25,372
Speaker 11: our times social media has become huge, so that's really

2068
01:40:25,412 --> 01:40:28,652
Speaker 11: taken it internationally famous as well. I think everyone who

2069
01:40:28,692 --> 01:40:30,612
Speaker 11: comes to the Zealand's got the Yeah.

2070
01:40:30,412 --> 01:40:31,933
Speaker 3: Oh, it's on a hell of a lot of postcards.

2071
01:40:31,933 --> 01:40:34,732
Speaker 3: There's for sure, this will be hard question for your kid,

2072
01:40:34,812 --> 01:40:37,692
Speaker 3: but one or two of your best memories is owning

2073
01:40:37,812 --> 01:40:44,052
Speaker 3: the hotel. What would they be best memories?

2074
01:40:44,053 --> 01:40:49,572
Speaker 11: Well, just just running the icon, you know, twelve years

2075
01:40:49,572 --> 01:40:53,253
Speaker 11: worth of memory, really is there's so much that goes

2076
01:40:53,293 --> 01:40:57,932
Speaker 11: on and just just being part of it. It's always

2077
01:40:57,933 --> 01:41:00,173
Speaker 11: amazing when it snows bringing people out, you know, that's

2078
01:41:00,213 --> 01:41:04,532
Speaker 11: always a really really fun time, beautiful time, you know,

2079
01:41:05,372 --> 01:41:06,732
Speaker 11: very different to the rest of the country. When you

2080
01:41:06,772 --> 01:41:09,852
Speaker 11: get to snow on the ground around the business. It's

2081
01:41:10,853 --> 01:41:13,253
Speaker 11: I don't know, there's so many Prince Harry coming out

2082
01:41:13,293 --> 01:41:15,253
Speaker 11: with Roy's member. I've got married and had kids in

2083
01:41:15,293 --> 01:41:18,732
Speaker 11: the time we've been here. It's just too many really.

2084
01:41:19,173 --> 01:41:21,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so and what we you miss the most

2085
01:41:21,053 --> 01:41:23,293
Speaker 2: about it when when you when you leave and where

2086
01:41:23,293 --> 01:41:23,812
Speaker 2: are you going?

2087
01:41:24,572 --> 01:41:26,532
Speaker 11: Well, we're going to stay local with a family. We're

2088
01:41:26,532 --> 01:41:28,572
Speaker 11: going to stay living here, but we actually plan to

2089
01:41:28,812 --> 01:41:30,812
Speaker 11: preps travel around Australia for a year when we get

2090
01:41:30,812 --> 01:41:34,692
Speaker 11: the time and everything sorted. Just once again, like the

2091
01:41:34,732 --> 01:41:37,412
Speaker 11: memories of owning it. That will be the sad thing

2092
01:41:37,452 --> 01:41:39,772
Speaker 11: for me, not owning it. But it is time for us,

2093
01:41:39,853 --> 01:41:41,133
Speaker 11: this time for us to go.

2094
01:41:42,253 --> 01:41:44,412
Speaker 2: So a lot of people are obviously looking at this.

2095
01:41:44,532 --> 01:41:46,093
Speaker 2: And as soon as I saw that it was on

2096
01:41:46,133 --> 01:41:49,213
Speaker 2: the market, the Katrona Hotel, I texted my I text

2097
01:41:49,293 --> 01:41:51,932
Speaker 2: my partner, I said, we should buy this, We should

2098
01:41:52,093 --> 01:41:54,492
Speaker 2: we should move there. There's a really romantic idea of it.

2099
01:41:54,532 --> 01:41:56,573
Speaker 2: You move there, you become a member of the community,

2100
01:41:56,652 --> 01:41:59,852
Speaker 2: you serve people at such an iconic place. But how

2101
01:41:59,893 --> 01:42:02,612
Speaker 2: hard is it to actually run something like the Kadrona Hotel,

2102
01:42:02,652 --> 01:42:05,692
Speaker 2: Because I imagine the romantic idea of it. The rubber

2103
01:42:05,732 --> 01:42:07,213
Speaker 2: hits the road pretty soon, and there's quite a lot

2104
01:42:07,213 --> 01:42:08,132
Speaker 2: of hard work involved.

2105
01:42:09,013 --> 01:42:11,013
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's not not mean like for your feed up

2106
01:42:11,133 --> 01:42:15,452
Speaker 11: drinking and wine in front of the fire. It's oh,

2107
01:42:15,532 --> 01:42:17,452
Speaker 11: it's hard. It's been grunt of a business these days.

2108
01:42:17,452 --> 01:42:20,973
Speaker 11: We've nearly got fifty staff all year round. You know,

2109
01:42:21,213 --> 01:42:23,093
Speaker 11: in the old days, winter was bigger than summer. Now

2110
01:42:23,093 --> 01:42:25,852
Speaker 11: summ's bigger than winter. I'm looking out the office window

2111
01:42:25,893 --> 01:42:27,412
Speaker 11: at the moment and the place is fall to the

2112
01:42:27,412 --> 01:42:30,492
Speaker 11: brim of skiers. But was always got a great, great vibe,

2113
01:42:30,532 --> 01:42:34,173
Speaker 11: super positive place to work and community to enjoy. But

2114
01:42:34,333 --> 01:42:37,692
Speaker 11: it's a I'm a hands on person. This is the

2115
01:42:37,732 --> 01:42:41,532
Speaker 11: way I've always run it. And it's yeah, it's just consuming,

2116
01:42:41,572 --> 01:42:44,572
Speaker 11: like any hospital business. But that's that's what a lot

2117
01:42:44,572 --> 01:42:47,372
Speaker 11: of people thrive on, you know, and the right person

2118
01:42:47,412 --> 01:42:50,452
Speaker 11: will just continue on like I have. Really it's it's

2119
01:42:50,772 --> 01:42:52,492
Speaker 11: you know, there's good days in bed days, but that's

2120
01:42:52,492 --> 01:42:53,293
Speaker 11: any business, right.

2121
01:42:53,532 --> 01:42:56,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what would you be main advice be for

2122
01:42:56,492 --> 01:42:58,173
Speaker 2: the for the new owners when you when you hand

2123
01:42:58,213 --> 01:42:59,972
Speaker 2: over the keys, what.

2124
01:42:59,893 --> 01:43:02,372
Speaker 11: Did the staff say, come on, push, push, you know,

2125
01:43:02,572 --> 01:43:05,333
Speaker 11: work hard with work card with a smile. I think

2126
01:43:05,372 --> 01:43:07,932
Speaker 11: you know that's probably the big thing. Just keep working.

2127
01:43:07,933 --> 01:43:10,412
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, and sometimes you know, the best

2128
01:43:10,452 --> 01:43:12,372
Speaker 11: decisions that you make I can make here in the

2129
01:43:12,452 --> 01:43:14,572
Speaker 11: day sometimes aren't the best decision for me of the

2130
01:43:14,572 --> 01:43:17,692
Speaker 11: best decision for the pub, you know, and you know,

2131
01:43:17,933 --> 01:43:20,612
Speaker 11: in a long term vision, and sometimes you know that

2132
01:43:20,612 --> 01:43:22,213
Speaker 11: that may not even be the best decision for the

2133
01:43:22,213 --> 01:43:24,652
Speaker 11: business on that day. But I'm always taking a long

2134
01:43:24,732 --> 01:43:27,492
Speaker 11: term due. I think that's probably listening good Steed over

2135
01:43:27,492 --> 01:43:27,932
Speaker 11: the years.

2136
01:43:28,013 --> 01:43:29,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've met and his partner. I want to

2137
01:43:29,893 --> 01:43:32,213
Speaker 3: make an offer. How long have they got to present

2138
01:43:32,253 --> 01:43:33,173
Speaker 3: their offer to your kid?

2139
01:43:34,173 --> 01:43:34,372
Speaker 20: Well?

2140
01:43:34,492 --> 01:43:38,572
Speaker 11: Expression Adventures closed on the fifteenth of Augress, so you

2141
01:43:38,612 --> 01:43:40,053
Speaker 11: know you've got to get your offer in by then

2142
01:43:40,173 --> 01:43:41,692
Speaker 11: it's plenty of homework to do.

2143
01:43:41,973 --> 01:43:43,412
Speaker 2: Have you got have you got a number in mind?

2144
01:43:44,372 --> 01:43:45,452
Speaker 11: I've got a number of mine.

2145
01:43:47,213 --> 01:43:49,253
Speaker 3: It's an ulterior motive here. He just wanted to try

2146
01:43:49,293 --> 01:43:50,572
Speaker 3: and screw you down on it.

2147
01:43:50,652 --> 01:43:52,253
Speaker 2: Just by the way you say that, it sounds like

2148
01:43:52,253 --> 01:43:53,372
Speaker 2: a bigger number than I've got.

2149
01:43:55,093 --> 01:43:56,732
Speaker 11: I can't believe how popular it's been. I just looking

2150
01:43:56,772 --> 01:43:59,572
Speaker 11: trade me in like thirty three thousands. Yeah, wow, about

2151
01:43:59,853 --> 01:44:02,133
Speaker 11: ten thousand hits on our the website we've built for

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01:44:02,213 --> 01:44:04,772
Speaker 11: the sale, you know, so forty thousand, That's that's what

2153
01:44:04,812 --> 01:44:07,013
Speaker 11: I'm taking of that. There's a lot of emails coming in.

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01:44:07,053 --> 01:44:09,892
Speaker 11: There's a huge amount of interest from the right people too.

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01:44:10,013 --> 01:44:10,532
Speaker 17: That is great.

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01:44:10,652 --> 01:44:12,812
Speaker 2: Well, that's a testament to not only the history of

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01:44:12,853 --> 01:44:15,732
Speaker 2: the pub and it's iconic nature, but how well you've

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01:44:15,772 --> 01:44:18,133
Speaker 2: run it for the last twelve twelve years, because it's

2159
01:44:18,173 --> 01:44:20,532
Speaker 2: it's only growing and it's influenced across the country since

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01:44:20,532 --> 01:44:22,612
Speaker 2: you've been there. So something for you to be very

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01:44:22,612 --> 01:44:23,013
Speaker 2: proud of.

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01:44:23,893 --> 01:44:25,652
Speaker 11: Oh, thank you very much. It's very kind.

2163
01:44:26,133 --> 01:44:29,053
Speaker 3: Kate, all the very best, and thanks very much for

2164
01:44:29,053 --> 01:44:29,652
Speaker 3: having to act.

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01:44:29,532 --> 01:44:31,692
Speaker 11: With us, no worries, thank you for your.

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01:44:31,572 --> 01:44:34,253
Speaker 3: Time, all right, go well, that is Caid Thornson, the

2167
01:44:34,333 --> 01:44:37,333
Speaker 3: current owner of the Katrona Hotel and Pub, currently up

2168
01:44:37,372 --> 01:44:38,973
Speaker 3: for sale, and if you want to make a bit,

2169
01:44:39,133 --> 01:44:41,052
Speaker 3: you've got to get in by the fifteenth of August.

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01:44:41,572 --> 01:44:42,692
Speaker 3: Go Hi, go hi.

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01:44:44,333 --> 01:44:45,612
Speaker 2: I'm just texting him a number now.

2172
01:44:46,812 --> 01:44:50,133
Speaker 3: It's going to be too likely already, but we want

2173
01:44:50,133 --> 01:44:51,492
Speaker 3: to have a chat to you. I mean, look, if

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01:44:51,492 --> 01:44:53,293
Speaker 3: you're if you've had a look at the Kadrona Hotel

2175
01:44:53,293 --> 01:44:55,333
Speaker 3: and you actually think you could take ownership of it,

2176
01:44:55,532 --> 01:44:56,973
Speaker 3: love to hear from you on oh, eight hundred and

2177
01:44:57,013 --> 01:44:59,852
Speaker 3: eighty teen eighty, But just in general, that romantic idea

2178
01:45:00,133 --> 01:45:03,933
Speaker 3: of buying something like the Kadrona Hotel, a boutique Airbnb?

2179
01:45:04,772 --> 01:45:06,213
Speaker 3: How did it go for you if you went down

2180
01:45:06,213 --> 01:45:06,812
Speaker 3: that lifestyle?

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01:45:07,053 --> 01:45:07,253
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2182
01:45:07,293 --> 01:45:09,732
Speaker 2: Well, and you know what's the difference, how do is

2183
01:45:09,732 --> 01:45:11,772
Speaker 2: when the rubber hits the road. You've bought the romantic,

2184
01:45:12,853 --> 01:45:14,932
Speaker 2: the morantic idea of a business, and then you find

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01:45:14,933 --> 01:45:17,732
Speaker 2: yourself working there twenty four hours a day. If I

2186
01:45:17,772 --> 01:45:20,253
Speaker 2: do buy it and we move down there, me and

2187
01:45:20,293 --> 01:45:22,892
Speaker 2: my partner, you'll have to move down as well, Tyler, Yes,

2188
01:45:22,933 --> 01:45:25,012
Speaker 2: because we'll have to set up the studio at the back. Perfect,

2189
01:45:25,013 --> 01:45:26,293
Speaker 2: So it's a big decision for you as well.

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01:45:26,333 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 3: I'll be a lifty in the at the nighttime and

2191
01:45:28,412 --> 01:45:29,972
Speaker 3: then coming for the radio show in the afternoon.

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01:45:30,013 --> 01:45:32,652
Speaker 2: Perfect. You'll be cleaning the toilets when you're not on here.

2193
01:45:32,732 --> 01:45:34,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not above that. It is nineteen to four.

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01:45:36,173 --> 01:45:38,852
Speaker 1: Come in chat with the lads On eight hundred eighty

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01:45:38,853 --> 01:45:42,652
Speaker 1: ten eighty. Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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01:45:42,492 --> 01:45:45,772
Speaker 3: Said, be very good afternoon. We are loosely talking about

2197
01:45:45,772 --> 01:45:48,012
Speaker 3: the Cotrona hotel. It's up for sale. But the idea

2198
01:45:48,093 --> 01:45:53,732
Speaker 3: of that romantic boutique accommodational business. If you've made that

2199
01:45:53,812 --> 01:45:56,532
Speaker 3: decision and purchased something like that, with the idea of

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01:45:56,692 --> 01:46:00,572
Speaker 3: living in that rural lifestyle and serving the locals and

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01:46:00,612 --> 01:46:02,213
Speaker 3: all that good stuff that we think it is love

2202
01:46:02,293 --> 01:46:05,412
Speaker 3: to hear from you, because we imagine it is absolutely

2203
01:46:05,492 --> 01:46:07,652
Speaker 3: hard graft as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

2204
01:46:07,692 --> 01:46:08,852
Speaker 3: eighty is the to call.

2205
01:46:10,053 --> 01:46:11,093
Speaker 2: Stay welcome to the show.

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01:46:12,772 --> 01:46:18,532
Speaker 19: Thanks guys. What a fantastic opportunity for someone. I've been

2207
01:46:18,532 --> 01:46:21,372
Speaker 19: there several every time we've been down there, and we've

2208
01:46:21,372 --> 01:46:24,612
Speaker 19: only the last five years start going down to that

2209
01:46:24,692 --> 01:46:28,692
Speaker 19: neck of the Woods, but we might have been there

2210
01:46:28,732 --> 01:46:33,372
Speaker 19: four or five times. It's just it feels like it's

2211
01:46:33,412 --> 01:46:37,572
Speaker 19: it's a natural part of New Zealand with so much history.

2212
01:46:38,053 --> 01:46:40,333
Speaker 19: I mean, it's got the accommodation an it's on it

2213
01:46:40,412 --> 01:46:44,013
Speaker 19: as well, but when you walk in the door, you

2214
01:46:44,173 --> 01:46:50,533
Speaker 19: immediately feel as if you're welcome. It's it's the ambience

2215
01:46:50,692 --> 01:46:59,932
Speaker 19: of the place is unbelievable. The the staff are second

2216
01:46:59,973 --> 01:47:04,333
Speaker 19: to none. The the outlook, I mean the car out

2217
01:47:04,333 --> 01:47:05,173
Speaker 19: the front of an.

2218
01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:07,933
Speaker 2: Icon, Hey what is that car? It was mean to

2219
01:47:07,973 --> 01:47:11,532
Speaker 2: ask what that what that car is? Specifically? Do you know?

2220
01:47:12,853 --> 01:47:15,893
Speaker 19: I think I think I don't quote me on this,

2221
01:47:16,053 --> 01:47:17,053
Speaker 19: but it might be a model A.

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01:47:17,532 --> 01:47:20,852
Speaker 21: Yeah, right, it's very suit in an old ere.

2223
01:47:21,053 --> 01:47:26,252
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's just everybody takes their photo whether you go inside.

2224
01:47:26,333 --> 01:47:29,133
Speaker 19: You've got all the money on the ceilings, you've got

2225
01:47:29,133 --> 01:47:33,412
Speaker 19: the hot fire again, the mulled wine on offer, great

2226
01:47:33,532 --> 01:47:37,213
Speaker 19: pub food. I can't speak highly enough of it, and

2227
01:47:37,652 --> 01:47:40,932
Speaker 19: I'd still keep going. If I had the wheel, I'd

2228
01:47:40,933 --> 01:47:45,293
Speaker 19: be in there like a shot because it's just it's

2229
01:47:45,732 --> 01:47:49,492
Speaker 19: an incredible It almost reminds me of and I haven't

2230
01:47:49,532 --> 01:47:51,892
Speaker 19: been to an English pub, but it's that sort of

2231
01:47:52,053 --> 01:47:55,053
Speaker 19: vibe that you may feel welcome, you're are part of

2232
01:47:55,093 --> 01:47:59,012
Speaker 19: your family. I was even talking to the I think

2233
01:47:59,053 --> 01:48:02,772
Speaker 19: it might have been Kate's wife who came from out there.

2234
01:48:02,812 --> 01:48:04,852
Speaker 19: Could have would reduce she used to live up here

2235
01:48:05,652 --> 01:48:10,452
Speaker 19: in Wellington. But yeah, I talked to her and she

2236
01:48:10,612 --> 01:48:12,812
Speaker 19: just sat down with us and just shot the breeze

2237
01:48:12,853 --> 01:48:14,692
Speaker 19: with us and told us about the place and what

2238
01:48:14,893 --> 01:48:17,213
Speaker 19: was around the place and what have you. You can

2239
01:48:17,253 --> 01:48:20,692
Speaker 19: go outside, you can stay inside. There's all sorts of

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01:48:21,732 --> 01:48:24,412
Speaker 19: different different things you can do. There's a couple of

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01:48:24,492 --> 01:48:29,053
Speaker 19: different bars you can attend. It's just it's an unbelievable

2242
01:48:29,093 --> 01:48:31,773
Speaker 19: Well it's not just a pub, it's an experience.

2243
01:48:32,213 --> 01:48:32,412
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:48:32,452 --> 01:48:35,213
Speaker 2: Absolutely, When I'm there, I always think about what it

2245
01:48:35,253 --> 01:48:37,052
Speaker 2: was like one hundred and sixty two years ago, because

2246
01:48:37,053 --> 01:48:39,892
Speaker 2: it's fantastic now, but when it was first build, that

2247
01:48:39,893 --> 01:48:41,892
Speaker 2: would have been a grim area. Are you coming through

2248
01:48:41,933 --> 01:48:47,053
Speaker 2: and been riding being pulled through the snow by some drysdales.

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01:48:46,572 --> 01:48:49,773
Speaker 3: You would have had a massive, massive beer and those.

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Speaker 2: Dust off your jacket. Knock on the door. You're probably

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01:48:51,692 --> 01:48:54,213
Speaker 2: the only person coming through for the last week. Get

2252
01:48:54,253 --> 01:48:56,652
Speaker 2: yourself a whiskey by the fire. But yeah, there's something

2253
01:48:56,692 --> 01:49:00,812
Speaker 2: about those low ceiling old pubs that just so warm

2254
01:49:00,853 --> 01:49:03,053
Speaker 2: inside and so on, so inviting. Thank you so much

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01:49:03,053 --> 01:49:03,892
Speaker 2: for your call, Steve.

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01:49:04,572 --> 01:49:06,532
Speaker 3: Sharon, you own a boutique BnB.

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01:49:07,893 --> 01:49:12,253
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right, I do. It's a bit unique, well

2258
01:49:12,772 --> 01:49:16,293
Speaker 15: kind of, because we're kind that we're completely off the grid,

2259
01:49:16,333 --> 01:49:19,772
Speaker 15: but and we live in Auckland, which is not always

2260
01:49:19,893 --> 01:49:23,412
Speaker 15: the most common thing. Usually they're more way out than

2261
01:49:23,452 --> 01:49:23,812
Speaker 15: we are.

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01:49:24,333 --> 01:49:24,933
Speaker 1: But a lot of.

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01:49:24,893 --> 01:49:27,652
Speaker 15: People come here to learn about living off the grid

2264
01:49:27,692 --> 01:49:30,213
Speaker 15: and being self sufficient and all that sort of thing.

2265
01:49:30,253 --> 01:49:34,013
Speaker 15: And we have international guests who come here specifically for that.

2266
01:49:34,893 --> 01:49:39,973
Speaker 15: And yeah, it's hard. We've been doing it for sixteen years,

2267
01:49:40,013 --> 01:49:43,493
Speaker 15: but I do really like it. They're lovely people and

2268
01:49:43,652 --> 01:49:45,732
Speaker 15: it's an interesting life. But it's hard work.

2269
01:49:46,173 --> 01:49:49,173
Speaker 2: Whereabouts, is it, Sharon? And how can people get hold

2270
01:49:49,213 --> 01:49:50,213
Speaker 2: of you to come and stay there?

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01:49:51,093 --> 01:49:55,012
Speaker 15: Oh? Well, we're did a Facebook page. We are called

2272
01:49:55,253 --> 01:50:00,772
Speaker 15: kuyperer Views Eco Lodge. So we overlook the Kuiper obviously,

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01:50:01,492 --> 01:50:05,053
Speaker 15: So we're north of north of Adamsville and south of

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01:50:05,093 --> 01:50:08,692
Speaker 15: Welsford on are just off State's Highway sixteen a couple

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01:50:08,732 --> 01:50:12,333
Speaker 15: of kilometers, but we're set in the bush. We have

2276
01:50:13,213 --> 01:50:17,452
Speaker 15: Native Kiwis at times beautiful bird life, Towey's and all

2277
01:50:17,492 --> 01:50:21,173
Speaker 15: that sort of thing, and people come here to rest

2278
01:50:21,253 --> 01:50:24,253
Speaker 15: and relax, and yeah, it's good. I enjoy it. I

2279
01:50:24,293 --> 01:50:25,973
Speaker 15: can provide meals whatever they want to do.

2280
01:50:26,173 --> 01:50:29,173
Speaker 2: How much work is that, though, Sharon? How much?

2281
01:50:30,173 --> 01:50:31,852
Speaker 15: Well, it can be a lot of If you've got

2282
01:50:31,893 --> 01:50:35,053
Speaker 15: back to back bookings and say they're just staying one night,

2283
01:50:35,412 --> 01:50:37,452
Speaker 15: it can be quite a lot of work because obviously

2284
01:50:37,452 --> 01:50:39,572
Speaker 15: you've got to make the beds, make sure work being's clean, tidy,

2285
01:50:39,612 --> 01:50:42,892
Speaker 15: all that sort of thing. And you know, I like

2286
01:50:42,973 --> 01:50:45,253
Speaker 15: to meet my guests so they don't just walk in

2287
01:50:45,293 --> 01:50:45,772
Speaker 15: on their own.

2288
01:50:45,812 --> 01:50:46,372
Speaker 12: That's just me.

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01:50:47,652 --> 01:50:50,772
Speaker 15: So I need to be here. But I provide an

2290
01:50:50,812 --> 01:50:53,013
Speaker 15: afternoon tea when they arrive, and then they might have

2291
01:50:53,093 --> 01:50:55,972
Speaker 15: to do dinner for them if they've ordered that. So yeah,

2292
01:50:56,053 --> 01:50:57,932
Speaker 15: it can be interesting.

2293
01:50:57,532 --> 01:50:59,812
Speaker 2: To say, oh, thank you so much for your call, Sharon.

2294
01:50:59,893 --> 01:51:00,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great story.

2295
01:51:00,692 --> 01:51:02,412
Speaker 2: Of romantic idea. But there's a bit of work to

2296
01:51:02,412 --> 01:51:02,852
Speaker 2: be done.

2297
01:51:02,893 --> 01:51:03,692
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So.

2298
01:51:03,772 --> 01:51:07,213
Speaker 2: I got the name of the horses right, Clydesdale. Were

2299
01:51:07,333 --> 01:51:09,492
Speaker 2: a bunch of people texting Desdale's or de People not

2300
01:51:09,532 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 2: know what Clodesdale's horses are.

2301
01:51:10,853 --> 01:51:12,293
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's what you said, right, I don't

2302
01:51:12,293 --> 01:51:13,892
Speaker 3: think you questioned what species of horse.

2303
01:51:14,013 --> 01:51:18,212
Speaker 2: Clydesdale's are those massive horses with the with the fluffy,

2304
01:51:18,452 --> 01:51:20,892
Speaker 2: fluffy hoofs, the fluffy hoofs.

2305
01:51:21,053 --> 01:51:23,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful looking horses.

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01:51:23,772 --> 01:51:29,852
Speaker 2: Famous, famous for dragging stuff through Central Otago back in

2307
01:51:29,893 --> 01:51:32,133
Speaker 2: the day when the Coudrona pub firstub been.

2308
01:51:32,173 --> 01:51:35,012
Speaker 3: Absolute work horses literally, and a few people teaching about

2309
01:51:35,013 --> 01:51:37,452
Speaker 3: the car as well. Apparently it's a sixty two Chrysler.

2310
01:51:38,293 --> 01:51:39,213
Speaker 2: Sixty two Chrysler.

2311
01:51:39,333 --> 01:51:41,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, that means not much to me, apart from it

2312
01:51:41,772 --> 01:51:42,173
Speaker 3: is a very.

2313
01:51:42,053 --> 01:51:44,173
Speaker 2: Beautiful made It looks a lot older than a sixty

2314
01:51:44,173 --> 01:51:45,692
Speaker 2: two Chrysler to me.

2315
01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:48,053
Speaker 3: That's just what the Tex machines is. And you know

2316
01:51:48,133 --> 01:51:49,372
Speaker 3: the Tex machine is always right.

2317
01:51:49,492 --> 01:51:50,773
Speaker 2: Oh did I say Drysdale?

2318
01:51:51,452 --> 01:51:51,572
Speaker 17: Right?

2319
01:51:51,652 --> 01:51:53,372
Speaker 3: Yeah? He d Dowe.

2320
01:51:53,412 --> 01:51:55,293
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I got it. I mean

2321
01:51:55,372 --> 01:51:57,732
Speaker 2: Clydesdale Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, as per usual, it was

2322
01:51:57,772 --> 01:51:58,412
Speaker 2: me that got it wrong.

2323
01:51:58,572 --> 01:52:02,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you know carry but yeah, I.

2324
01:52:02,492 --> 01:52:04,492
Speaker 2: Want to mean those Clydesdale's. You've seen them in the

2325
01:52:04,492 --> 01:52:05,093
Speaker 2: spates heads.

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01:52:05,133 --> 01:52:08,852
Speaker 3: Yeah right, it is ten to four oh one hundred

2327
01:52:08,893 --> 01:52:11,172
Speaker 3: and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call. Yeah, actually,

2328
01:52:11,213 --> 01:52:12,052
Speaker 3: let's we'll get Paul.

2329
01:52:12,053 --> 01:52:14,772
Speaker 2: In get Paul, because this is actually a significant thing

2330
01:52:14,772 --> 01:52:18,293
Speaker 2: that we forgot Paul, Kadrina. There is something that the

2331
01:52:18,333 --> 01:52:20,572
Speaker 2: new owners need to be aware of the Kadrina Hotel.

2332
01:52:21,532 --> 01:52:27,252
Speaker 4: That's right room six. Is Jimmy Patterson, the old publican

2333
01:52:27,333 --> 01:52:31,092
Speaker 4: from the you know, around about the war and afterwards,

2334
01:52:31,372 --> 01:52:34,173
Speaker 4: was the publican in the fifties. And as a little boy,

2335
01:52:34,492 --> 01:52:36,852
Speaker 4: I would go at Mom and Dad over the Crown Range.

2336
01:52:37,133 --> 01:52:39,532
Speaker 4: If you're heading towards one, I hear, you got two beers.

2337
01:52:39,572 --> 01:52:43,732
Speaker 4: If you're heading towards Queenstown, you got one. Anyway, I

2338
01:52:43,732 --> 01:52:46,852
Speaker 4: went down there and I've got I mentioned this to

2339
01:52:46,893 --> 01:52:49,812
Speaker 4: the lady and she says, oh, Jimmy Patterson, we'll give

2340
01:52:49,853 --> 01:52:52,532
Speaker 4: you his old part of the hotel. So it's room six.

2341
01:52:53,492 --> 01:52:57,253
Speaker 4: So I go in there and I wasn't drunk. And anyway,

2342
01:52:57,253 --> 01:53:00,173
Speaker 4: I wake up in the morning, halfway through the early

2343
01:53:00,253 --> 01:53:03,532
Speaker 4: morning to have a pee, and I heard the sound,

2344
01:53:03,572 --> 01:53:05,492
Speaker 4: you know, like an old man strutting to put.

2345
01:53:05,372 --> 01:53:05,972
Speaker 5: His shoes on.

2346
01:53:07,013 --> 01:53:09,772
Speaker 15: Ah, you know like that.

2347
01:53:09,853 --> 01:53:12,412
Speaker 4: All the time, I thought, who the hell's are must ruin,

2348
01:53:12,492 --> 01:53:15,812
Speaker 4: you know, and there was no one there. Anyway, I

2349
01:53:15,893 --> 01:53:17,652
Speaker 4: thought nothing of it. So I go out in the

2350
01:53:17,652 --> 01:53:19,692
Speaker 4: morning and I mentioned to the lady and she said, oh,

2351
01:53:19,812 --> 01:53:23,333
Speaker 4: Jimmy's back. He hasn't been here for a few months.

2352
01:53:23,412 --> 01:53:26,772
Speaker 4: The fact that you knew it must be means you

2353
01:53:26,893 --> 01:53:29,972
Speaker 4: came back. Now, I've been ridiculed by when I tell

2354
01:53:30,013 --> 01:53:34,253
Speaker 4: the story, but I know what I heard, and she's

2355
01:53:34,412 --> 01:53:37,333
Speaker 4: the lady said, oh, yeah, Jimmy's part of the hotel.

2356
01:53:37,452 --> 01:53:41,532
Speaker 4: Jimmy's back. And she mentioned people have had skis rattle,

2357
01:53:42,213 --> 01:53:46,372
Speaker 4: you know, and there's no wind and anyway, I've never

2358
01:53:46,412 --> 01:53:47,772
Speaker 4: heard of a ghost turfing anyone.

2359
01:53:48,133 --> 01:53:51,412
Speaker 2: Yes, with the ghost for some people, just something that

2360
01:53:51,452 --> 01:53:53,092
Speaker 2: people need to know. It comes with a bonus ghost.

2361
01:53:53,173 --> 01:53:55,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. We've got to play some messages, but

2362
01:53:55,652 --> 01:53:58,932
Speaker 3: beag very shortly. It is eight to four the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 1: It be news talks.

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Speaker 2: There's five to four prop are mere copas to fit

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Speaker 2: mere coppers to finish the show, and we don't have

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Speaker 2: another one. How I said that, but it wasn't. It's

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Speaker 2: a ninety twenty eight Crysler Model sixty two that was

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Speaker 2: out the front. Sorry, Drona hotel, massive cockup. And you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously I missed up and I said Drysdale instead of

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Speaker 2: Clydesdale for the horses. As this Texas says, Bruce can't

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Speaker 2: see the mirror of totong are dragging a wagon around

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Speaker 2: that joint one hundred and sixty two years ago. That's

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Speaker 2: a very good point. So the couple couple of mistakes there,

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Speaker 2: it's where we're in, not where we start. Yeah, as

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Speaker 2: long as we creak those things absolutely, But what a

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Speaker 2: fantastic show it's been. Thank you so much for all

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Speaker 2: your great New Zealanders for listening to the show. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for all your calls and texts. We've had

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Speaker 2: a great time chatting. I hope you have too. The

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast will be out in about

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Speaker 2: an hour, So if you missed our chats on whether

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Speaker 2: Dame Mardrn is morally obliged to face the Royal Inquiry

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Speaker 2: into the COVID nineteen response, or theories around the mushroom

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Speaker 2: Mushroom Ladies motives, then follow our podcast podcast where you

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Speaker 2: get your pods. The Great and Powerful Ryan bridges up next.

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Speaker 2: But Tyler, right now, why and wh playing this song.

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Speaker 3: I had to shuzam this one. The White Stripes Hotel

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Speaker 3: your b gadrona hotel up for sale. Get in there,

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Speaker 3: sell everything you've got, make an.

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Speaker 2: Offer, such a great song, such a great hotel. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening everyone, See you tomorrow AVO. Until then, give

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Speaker 2: them a taste of keeping from us.

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Speaker 3: Love yours you.

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Speaker 28: Please, We'll take you now you letter see your umbrella

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Speaker 28: for me, Matt and Tyler.

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