1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Is it out of left field or a real possibility? 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: The idea of growing rice commercially in this country. Currently 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: commercially we grow, of course none, but we import ninety 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: five million dollars worth, which is eighty five thousand tons 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: are Doctor Jacqueline Roweth, Ed, Junct Professor of Course at 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: Lincoln University, is back with us on the program. Jackeline, 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning, Mike. So the suggestion has been made. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about it before? Outside of this 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: particular suggestion, you ever thought they'd go? I wonder if 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: we should grow rice. 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: We look at all sorts of things in the agricultural 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: field like pun sorry there, but looking at what we 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: might be able to grow more efficiently, effectively and therefore 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: profitably than other countries. And it's lovely to see Yuki 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: Fakuda and taught her at Lincoln back in the nineties 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: thinking innovatively like this. What she's done is go for volume. 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: I think we should be looking at value. Rice is 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: a two dollars a kilo crop. Is it sensible to 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: be trying to grow it here? And she's talking about 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: in the future, So she's doing exploratory work. What would 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: it be replacing if we can grow something that is 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: of more high value, we should be sticking with that. 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: And in Nelson it's probably still going to be grapes 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: for a while. 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Exactly, And that answers the question. Having said that, and 26 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: would we also want to grow for just purely domestic consumption, 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: which I assume is solving our importing problem. Would we 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: do that? Is that sensible or not? 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: We always do that if it's sensible. And the question is, well, 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: we can't compete with India, China, Indonesia at the moment 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: they have minimum weight, Well, they don't have minimum wages, 32 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: they don't have maternity even all of those sorts of 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: things or acc and their environmental compliance is not the 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: same as ours. So you might be saying why do 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: we buy rice? Well, at least it gives. 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Them an income, that's true. All I know about growing 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: rice is you need a tremendous amount of water. That 38 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: would be immediately an issue here, wouldn't it. 39 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: Yes, you can grow it without paddy the pogging though 40 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: water underwater type system, but it is quite a high 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: water user. It also us is quite a bit of 42 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: night which people forget. So it would we be able 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: to grow without as much water as they use in 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: many places in China, certainly, but yet it is a 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: high use of water. But Mike, remember we use very 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: little of the water that we have available in this country. Yes, 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: only about five percent. 48 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: That's right. This is what where this came from. Partially 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: is the climate change thing. Is the climate change thing, 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: in your view, consistent enough and dramatic enough to change 51 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: what's grown. And we're in a fairly dynamic way. 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: We're looking at that all the time as researchers. And 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: it is certainly possible to grow things like limpils or 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: chickpeas on the Canterbury planes, but we can't do it economically. 55 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: So periodically people trusted out. And remember the Foundation for 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: Arable Research does where it has looked at father beans, 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: for instance, can we shift our production systems? But it hasn't. 58 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: The climate has not got warm enough for and given 59 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: us a consistent harvest season to allow us to be 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: able to compete with for instance, Canada for peas in peas, 61 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: we can't split peas, give peace we can't do again. 62 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: It comes back to the cost of production, which includes 63 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: the wages, environmental compliance type problems. 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Jacquelin always appreciate your time and expertise Jacqueline howth Rowe 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: with Rather Doctor, Adjunct professoral Lincoln University. For more from 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. 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