1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: All right, so it's been revealed that the Monowhenu we 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: grounded and sunk off the coast of some war because 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: no one realized that the ship was on autopilot. The 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: crew had apparently tried to turn the ship, but it 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't turn. They tried to get it to break, but 6 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: it wouldn't break. Instead, it's sped up and grounded, and 7 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: the autopilot stayed on for at least another ten minutes. 8 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Here's the Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral Garren Golding. Remaining 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: an autopilot resulted in the ship maintaining a course of 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: three four zero degrees towards land until grounding and eventually stranding. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: The Minister of Defense is Judith Collins. Hi, Judith, hell it. 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: Heather, Judith. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: It seems staggeringly stupid, is it? 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: Well, it certainly is something that many of us would 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: feel was incomprehensible, except that we also know that sometimes, 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: even with the best will in the world, people make mistakes, 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: and then someone else makes a mistake and it becomes 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: in this case, lost ship and people's lives being unnecessarily 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: put at risk. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: What's the mistake? 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole serious mistakes, particularly around autopilots, and 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: wanting forgetting or not noticing that the autopilot was on, 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: then continuing to act and to take actions that you 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: would do with it's called thrusters, which is to get 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: away from the reef, but actually don't work if the 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: autopilot's on, and just the most basic things not being done, 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: and it's obviously a very serious situation. I'd say this 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: at least, you know, maybe surunts up but gets the 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: facts and it and it owns them. 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: From my understanding from listening to that press conference today, 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: all they had to do was look on the screen 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: that would have said autopilot on. Is that right? 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much. 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: How many people were on the bridge at the time. 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: Well, there's obviously a few there, but the main people 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: there was the person who was in charge of that ship, 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: in the words, the person who was driving it. Then 38 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: there's the supervisor of that person, and those people are 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: obviously subject to some investigation, plus also the commander of 40 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: the ship, who wasn't there at that moment. 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: So there's at least three people who are who are 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: in charge, or at least two because the commander wasn't there, 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: and neither of them thought to look at the screen. 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's incomprehensible, isn't it, except that we know 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: that this is the same sort of thing that happened 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: recently with the theory and the cook straight. 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: So well, at least they d you, to be fair, 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: had the excuse of a whole new system that they 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: didn't understand. Is that, can we use the same excuse 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: for the Navy? 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: There's no well, there's no excuse really, is there. And 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: the fact is is that the it's embarrassing for everybody. 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: But as always saying, at the moment, these things, terrible 54 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: things do happen, but it's how you handle them that's 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: really important. Then the Navy is doing that. 56 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: The commander, that's the lady. That's the lady who was 57 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: in charge of. 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: The ship here, that's the commanding officer. 59 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: She's cocked a lot of grief. But are you telling 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: me she willn't actually on the bridge. This has got 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: nothing to do with her. 62 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, you can't say it's nothing to do with her 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: because she's the commander. But what I can say is 64 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: that it's certainly not a gender issue here. I can 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: say that there were three people who are the own 66 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: subject to investigation to a male and one is female. 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she wasn't on the bridge. 68 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: Was she. No, she wasn't at that moment. 69 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: These three people who are under investigation subjects or disciplinary 70 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: process is the app Is it possible outcome that they 71 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: will lose their jobs over this? 72 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? So the these are called community separatist process. It's 73 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: outside the cord of inquiry. It will it will occur 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: after that gord of inquiry is completely finished. But the 75 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: point of that is it's dealt with in a really 76 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: serious way. And it was the very unusual although I 77 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: don't want to go around prejudging or anything very unusual 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: if there weren't courts martial though this. 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Matter all right, judor thank you for your time appreciated 80 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: the Huth Collins, the Minister of Defense. For more from 81 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news Talks. It'd 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.