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Speaker 1: Afternoon. There's concerned the government is lining up to scrap

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Speaker 1: the clean car standard all together. Now, this is the

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Speaker 1: twin of the ute tax. It's the other part of

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Speaker 1: the policy which charges importers if they bring in too

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Speaker 1: many vehicles that produce high carbon emissions. Chris Bishop is

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Speaker 1: the Minister of Transporting with us. Now, Hi, bish gooday,

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Speaker 1: would you well, thank you? Would you consider seriously consider

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Speaker 1: scrapping it, well.

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Speaker 2: Having a look at it. I mean we're doing a

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Speaker 2: first principle's review of the scheme, so sort of by

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Speaker 2: definition that involves, you know, looking at the rationale for

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Speaker 2: way you need it in the first place. Be fair

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Speaker 2: to say not not that many people are keen on

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Speaker 2: scrapping it all together. You know, we're going through a

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Speaker 2: process with industry right now and you know we do

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Speaker 2: want to see cleaner cars in New Zealand over time.

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Speaker 2: But we're doing the first principle's review of the scheme

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Speaker 2: and the simple reality is it's the old version was

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Speaker 2: not working. I might remember at the tail end of

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Speaker 2: last year we had to change it very quickly because

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Speaker 2: unless we did the price of a whole range of

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Speaker 2: cars was going to very quickly rise on the first

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Speaker 2: of January this year because of the way the scheme

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Speaker 2: was working, so sort of into the idea of a

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Speaker 2: clean car standard, so that the vehicle fleet, you know,

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Speaker 2: gets more fuel efficient over time and more carbon friendly.

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Speaker 2: But we've just got to find something that works, and

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Speaker 2: that's what we're doing at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Is this a case of you just having to adjust

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Speaker 1: how many emissions I suppose you tolerate before this thing

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Speaker 1: kicks in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically what happened is Labor set this very

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Speaker 2: ambitious scheme in place in twenty twenty one or two,

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Speaker 2: and you know, world leading, but that all comes with costs, right.

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Speaker 2: We came in in twenty twenty three and adjusted it

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Speaker 2: and brought it back more in line with comparable jurisdictions,

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Speaker 2: and as it turned out that even that was very difficult,

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Speaker 2: and we just couldn't get the supply of vehicles into

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Speaker 2: the market to the point where all the people doing

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Speaker 2: the imports we're going to face penalties as a result

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Speaker 2: of the cars they are importing. Now what does that

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Speaker 2: mean in practice? That just gets passed on to consumers. Right,

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Speaker 2: So what was going to happen unless we acted at

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Speaker 2: the end of last year was the price of a

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Speaker 2: whole range of cars that many New Zealanders would drive

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Speaker 2: and buy and rent on a daily basis would have

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Speaker 2: gone up quite substantially. The amount varied, and it's complicated,

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Speaker 2: but that would have gone up, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: So we stopped that at the end of last year.

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Speaker 2: We acted. And so everyone's going on about an affordable

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, including the Labor Party, by the way, they

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Speaker 2: voted against that. So the Labor Party voted to raise

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Speaker 2: the price of secondhand and new cars last year, and

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Speaker 2: they're running the slogan at the moment about how we

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Speaker 2: need an affordable New Zealand. So they voted to make

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Speaker 2: cars more expensive last year.

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Speaker 1: We've fixed that, okay, now, So am I right in

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Speaker 1: thinking that what's happened here is you're going out on

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Speaker 1: a first principles review and going out to consultation. One

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Speaker 1: of your questions has to be do we get rid

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Speaker 1: of the thing altogether? The EV lobby group have had

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Speaker 1: to look at that and got excited. That's basically what's

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Speaker 1: that's right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're just looking at what's the public policy

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Speaker 2: rationale for it? Is it a good idea? You know?

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Speaker 2: Is there a market failure here that we need to

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Speaker 2: try and correct. So we're we're just asking the logical,

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Speaker 2: sensible questions, will work our way through it, and once

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Speaker 2: we've made a decision as to what we're going to do, we'll.

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Speaker 1: Hey, while I've got you, Wayne Brown says, absolutely no way.

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Speaker 1: Is he giving you your maps so you can see

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Speaker 1: what the density looks like and.

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Speaker 2: What I don't want.

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Speaker 1: I didn't him and ask him for the maps.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't rid in the heralds.

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Speaker 2: I know that, but that's not accurate. This is very frustrating.

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Speaker 2: The letter I wrote to him does not ask for maps.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to and I've published the letter or the

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Speaker 2: letters now online. I asked for a summary of the

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Speaker 2: zoning changes the government would like. I did not ask

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Speaker 2: for maps. Map gates over. We've got to, you know,

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Speaker 2: we've got to stop trying to make map gate happen.

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Speaker 2: It's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much. Chris Fisher, Minister of Transport, Minister of

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Speaker 1: Housing and like not really an opponent of Wayne Brown

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