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Speaker 1: You're listening to this Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: So it's two weeks, two weeks since Joe Biden and

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Speaker 2: that disastrous debate, and still boom the drum boom, steadily

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Speaker 2: boom beats. I gotta tell you, I am obsessed with

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Speaker 2: the story. I'm utterly obsessed. I just think this is

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Speaker 2: an absolutely monumental moment, a monumental moment in global politics.

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Speaker 2: Every morning I wake up, I grab my phone and

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Speaker 2: I immediately check my news apps, check the New York Times,

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Speaker 2: check the Herald. Is Joe still in the race in

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Speaker 2: a way? I suppose you? You kin't have to hand

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Speaker 2: it to him and his team in a way? I mean,

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Speaker 2: not once has Biden publicly expressed anything other than absolute

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Speaker 2: total commitment to remaining the Democrats nominee. He knows that

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Speaker 2: the moment he publicly expresses a sentilla of doubt, it's

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Speaker 2: all over. But the more that I have reflected on

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Speaker 2: that debate, the more I find the response of the

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Speaker 2: White House and Biden's supporters kind of insulting. They're gaslighting us.

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Speaker 2: The gaslighting us by trying to convince hundreds of millions

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Speaker 2: of people to unsee what they saw. Don't forget Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden asked for the debate. It was held entirely on

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Speaker 2: his terms. He publicly promoted it as a moment in

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Speaker 2: which he could prove to everyone he still had his edge,

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Speaker 2: and in that moment he was incoherent. So far, relatively

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Speaker 2: few of Biden's colleagues have come out and explicitly called

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Speaker 2: on him to stand down. A lot of them have

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Speaker 2: kind of hedged their bets or have acted luke warm

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Speaker 2: at best. But again, they saw what we saw, and

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Speaker 2: you just know that all of the conversations being held

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Speaker 2: behind closed doors are exactly the same as this one.

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Speaker 2: They just don't want to risk their own skins. George

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Speaker 2: Clooney's op ed I thought was particularly devastating to Biden's

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Speaker 2: cause this week, not because George Clooney is a famous

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Speaker 2: Hollywood movie star, but because, as someone who is coordinating

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Speaker 2: fundraising campaigns worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars,

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Speaker 2: he thinks Biden needs to stand down. And like everything

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Speaker 2: in US politics, it pays to follow the money. Would

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Speaker 2: you stake your fortune on Joe Biden right now? The

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Speaker 2: post NATO press conference yesterday was a big test for

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, and it was the first press conference of

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Speaker 2: its kind that Biden has held in eight months. Forget

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Speaker 2: his performance, Forget his competence, Forget his relative comfort talking

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Speaker 2: foreign policy, Forget the fact he made several gaffes with

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Speaker 2: names and introductions eight months, his first solo press conference

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Speaker 2: in eight months. That fact alone tells you more about

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Speaker 2: Biden's state and capacity than anything else you need to know.

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Speaker 2: So NATO's done. The Democrats convention is next month. If

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Speaker 2: they're going to force him out, this is the window,

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Speaker 2: this is the time to do it. They've got a

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Speaker 2: few weeks to act. Got to say two weeks deep.

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Speaker 2: It is clear this story, this issue are not going away.

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Speaker 2: With every bad poll, every donor with cold feet, the

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Speaker 2: pressure is sustained that little bit longer, and fundamentally, the

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Speaker 2: news is not going to move on because the problem

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Speaker 2: has not gone away. And here's the thing, it won't

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Speaker 2: go away. To campaign for president, you have to be

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Speaker 2: out in public, day after day after day. It requires

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Speaker 2: vast energy. It would be exhausting for anyone. But you

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Speaker 2: can be sure there will be more gaffes, there will

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Speaker 2: be more blunders, there will be more moments of utter incoherence,

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Speaker 2: and with every instance voters will be left wondering, if

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Speaker 2: this is Biden now, how's he going to be in

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Speaker 2: another four years.

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