1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: When we're joined by Jason Wall was how political editor 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: had Jason good after as, are you there? Good afternoon? 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: There we go very nice. Now politicians have descended on Ratina. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Is Chris Hipkins wearing shorts? 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: No, he's I'm not there. My trusty Lieutenant Sophie Trigger 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: is there. But I have seen photos and he's actually 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: wearing the full suit and tie today, which is probably 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: the first time he's put it on since journing parliament 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: early or late last year, even though there was the 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Labor Caucus. But of course he was wearing shorts and jandles. 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: There politicians dress aside. Listen that there will be a 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: lot of people telling you how important RATNA is because 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: it's usually the start of the political year. And though 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: you can't see my fingers, but I'm doing inverted commas 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: right now. But we've, of course, we've had such a 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: eventful week that they couldn't be further from the truth. 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: We've had reshuffles, we've had States of the Nations. That's plural, 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: because there's been a couple of them. We've also had 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: caucus retreats. So it's been an extremely involved political week, 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: which means that RATNA is not really the focus that 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: it usually is. Yes, they're going to be talking about 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: the Treaties Principles Bill, but I do get the sense 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: at this stage that nobody really cares that much anymore. 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: The Nats have said that they're not supporting it in 25 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: second reading. There is going to be a select committee process. Yes, 26 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of submissions in US, but you 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: think about the wider public and the fact that this 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: isn't actually getting through. I wonder how many people are 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: actually thinking about this on a daily basis. It's an 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: interesting question, but it's going to come up, and it 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: has come up quite a lot at Ratina today, and 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: it's a bit of a precursor for Waitangi next week, 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: late late next month. Rather of course, we know Chris 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: Luxon's not going along, so he's not going to bear 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: the brunt of that, but it's still something that's going 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: to be front of mind. 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: You say you wonder how many or everyone wonders how 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: many people are interested. But I can tell you whenever 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: we mention anything about the Treaty of White Tagi and 40 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: the Principles Act, we get a deliage of feedback here. 41 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: So while maybe maybe just a few people who feel 42 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: very deeply there are still people that can't be ignored 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: and have a right to be heard. 44 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: Oh exactly, And that's what the select committee process is 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: going to it's going to show us over the next 46 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: six months or so. But it just comes back to 47 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: the fact that it's not a bill that's actually going 48 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: to be progressed any further Emparliament. It's going to have 49 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: its second reading and it's going to be voted down. 50 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: I think me people are more interested in things about 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: the cost of living, or law and order or of 52 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: various different things like that. 53 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you that, and so r to know. 54 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: We've got the Maori queen, and we've got Maori leaders, 55 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and we've got across political leaders. Are they much talk? 56 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Is there much talk at this one or do they 57 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: save it up for white honey? 58 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: Oh, there is always a lot of talk. There's speeches 59 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: from the pie from all the political leaders only act 60 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: David Seymour the only political leader that's not there. I 61 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: suppose this one's a little different in the sense that 62 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: all the MP's were welcomed at the same time with 63 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: the palverity. Usually they sort of do the government ones 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: than the opposition ones. So I guess that there's some 65 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: forms of significance in that, but yeah, a bit of 66 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: precursor to what we can expect at White Tangi next month. 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. You mentioned David seymo who did his State of 68 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: the Nation's speech today, which was very had a whole 69 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: lot of you blue sky thinking, and he asked a 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: lot of questions. Rather than stating this is what we'll do, 71 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: he said, how would you like it if we actually 72 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: privatized the health system and gave you six thousand dollars 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: so you could spin it where you'd like, And there 74 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: were a lot of questions that he betted over to us. 75 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's all you can really do 76 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: as an opposite, well not an opposition, but as a 77 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: non lead party in government. State of the Nation's speech. 78 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: It's a lot of sort of a what if this, 79 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: or wouldn't it be nice? Of that sort of questions 80 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 2: that opposed and David Seymour, you know, he can talk 81 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: about these things, but if they're not in the coalition agreement, 82 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: they're just not going to get through. And essentially what 83 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: he could tell his supporters is these are the sort 84 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: of things that we want to be campaigning when we're 85 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: looking to get in government the next time around. But ultimately, 86 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Chris Luxon isn't going 87 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: to watch this speech and think, you know what, he's 88 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: got some good ideas. I Am actually going to further 89 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: privatize the health system. That's just not going to happen. 90 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: But it's a good way for David Seymour to sort 91 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: of stand out from the rest of the political crowd. 92 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: As I said, they're all down there there in Ratina, 93 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: and it gives him a lot of opportunity to sort 94 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: of speak on a home turf where he's not going 95 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: to get I would say probably heckled and jeered if 96 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: he was at Ratana. We've seen that happen before. Obviously, 97 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: the crowd is usually very respectful, but there are a 98 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: couple of moments when there are a few eyes that 99 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: are rolled and that sort of thing. So he gets 100 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: to say these things on home turf to people that 101 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,559 Speaker 2: are actually wanting to listen to what he says. 102 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and of course David's speech was then the Prime 103 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Minister was in asked questions after his without appearance, and 104 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: he just betted them away saying, well, it's not on 105 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: our radar, and we're not talking about that right now, 106 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: so you know it is it's blue sky thinking, it's 107 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: floating stuff up. 108 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and it was always going to be that. 109 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: And so it's just an our opportunity for David Seymour 110 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: to set out his vision of what he would like 111 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: things to be. I mean, I could do the same 112 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: thing right now. We probably got exactly the same amount 113 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: of chance for happening with my eye ideas than his. 114 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Well said and I thank you so much. Now go 115 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: away and have a weekend, because I know that you've 116 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: been doing extra hours for us, and I think and 117 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: we're very appreciative of it, of that, and you worked 118 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: all summer on the talkback, So go have yourself a weekend. 119 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: Jason Walls, our political editor. 120 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 121 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 2: news Talks. 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