1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Jason Wool's political editors with US now. Hi, Jason, good afternoon. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: So what's Labour going to do with pay equity? Are 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: they going to put all of that thirteen billion back in? 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: Listen? If only it was that simple. We actually have 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: no idea what is going on at this this stage. 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: It's getting more and more confusing by the day now. 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Speaking to reporters yesterday, and we did briefly touch on 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: this yesterday, Chris Hopkins was unable to commit to returning 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: the thirteen billion the government saved through this revamping of 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: the pay equity schemes. And it's pretty a pretty fundamental 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: question as half of the new spending in the budget 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: came from these cuts and these reevaluations of that scheme. 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: So's he's recommitting that thirteen billion would mean either more cuts, 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: it would mean more taxes or more borrowing if they 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: decided not to do that. So this morning morning reports 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: corn Dan probed a little bit further with Labour's Barbara Edmonds. 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 3: Have a listen, if you are how would you find 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: this twelve billion twelve nearly thirteen billion dollars because a 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: lot of that money has been refunneled back into core 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: pub services. 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: So that's going to be built in. How would you 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: find that in a future budget. 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: We're going to have to find it because we are 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 4: committed to it, because again, women are not worth less 25 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 4: and that's our labor value. We don't believe that, so 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 4: we are committed to finding that. We will look through 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: the books carefully. 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: So we are committed to finding that. I mean, I 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: thought that was pretty unambiguous, but if only it was 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: that easy. 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: The position that both Barbara and I have set out 32 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 3: is very very clear. Labor will reverse the government's changes 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: to pay equity. We'll set out how much that will 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: cost and how that will pay for it, how we 35 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: will pay for that in our fiscal plan that will 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: set out before the election. We're not in a position 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: to do that at the moment because we haven't seen 38 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 3: the gut breakdown of where that figure actually comes from. 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're back to not confirming if there were 40 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: refund the whole thirteen billion dollars. And it's a bit 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: of a mess from labor because if they got into 42 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: government and then decided that they would not repay this 43 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: thirteen billion dollars, then all the arguments around cutting women's 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: paympletely falls apart, and the Prime Minister he was having 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: a great all time laughing at them up in Auckland. 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 5: Yah, Chris Hipkins speaks out of both sides of his mouth. 47 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 5: You know, he was actually for reversing it. The next 48 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 5: day he was actually said it's too hard, it's too difficult, 49 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 5: too complicated. Barbar Edmons is now saying that she would 50 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 5: reverse it all and find the thirteen twelve billion dollars 51 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 5: somewhere else, and Chris sit Cain's still saying he won't 52 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 5: do it. So I mean, like it's very very confusing. 53 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: It's all as clear as much as far as I'm concerned. 54 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: Were you at Jonesy's party last night? 55 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: I was at John Z's party last night. 56 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Did you see Jonesy leave and go downstairs to ask 57 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: if it was just a free for all with the 58 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: tax incentive? 59 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: I leave? Well, listen, I didn't have eyes on Jonesy 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: the whole time, but he was wearing his beautiful baby 61 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: blue suits, so it was really hard to miss. It 62 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: was hard to miss him. 63 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: What do you make of this? Because this seems sweet? 64 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean the way that this is being portrayed in 65 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: this newsdroom article is that the cabinet ministers themselves did 66 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: not realize how much this is going to cost. 67 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: It did seem that way, didn't it in terms of 68 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: the regulatory impact state, Well, it kind of seemed like this, 69 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: this idea about the the capt of the scheme hadn't 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: really been investigated that much by the ministers in charge. 71 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: And of course it's a it's a it's a heck 72 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: of a question, isn't it, Because this is a fund 73 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: or this is this is a policy that is aiming 74 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: to boost businesses coming to New Zealand, and if you've 75 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: got a scheme where it would take just a handful 76 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: of billion dollar oil rigs or commercial developments to swallow 77 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: up most of the money in any given year. So 78 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: we put it to the Prime Minister this afternoon and 79 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: he actually said that he wasn't really all that concern. 80 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 5: We're comfortable with what we've estimated it to be and 81 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: the impact that it will be annually. The way we've 82 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 5: done it is by actually saying it's twenty percent that 83 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 5: you get to depreciate in the first year, and that's 84 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 5: that's the cat that's in place. 85 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: So there is a cap, but this is that's not 86 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, Laso. 87 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard to pin down. But nevertheless, this 88 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: has gone through the House today. The House is in urgency, 89 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: but not before Julianne Gender, who is the obviously the 90 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: Greens MP, tried to change the name of the bill. 91 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 6: Honorable Julian Gender's table to memory. Clause one to change 92 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 6: budget measures to taking money from babies to give tax 93 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 6: breaks for uts is out of order as being not 94 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 6: a serious amendment. 95 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: They'll tell you what, I Heather. It didn't stop there. 96 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 6: Thecardo men Intos marchs table to memory to clause one 97 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 6: to change budget measures to manifesting trickle down economics is 98 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 6: out of order as not being a serious amendment. Under 99 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 6: change budget measures to let them eat cake measures is 100 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 6: out of order as not being a serious amendment. Und 101 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 6: to change budget measures to let them buy yachts budget 102 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 6: measure is out of order as not being a serious amendment. 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: And it went on and on and on. I just thought, 104 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: this is a good use of your time in the House. 105 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: Oh, it was quite funny. 106 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: I like that she hates utes as well, Like just 107 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: how much that would have ripped the knickers of Juliani. 108 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: And it just brings me a great deal of pleasure. Hey, 109 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: how hungover are You're on a scale of one to ten? 110 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: Oh, like a two. I had a couple of drinks, 111 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: so I was getting no. No, I wasn't that bad 112 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: I had. I'm in my mid to early thirties. Now 113 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: I can't do fredolous things like go out and drink 114 00:04:59,600 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: on a week. 115 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Now I can't even count you are hungover. It's not 116 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: mid to early. You don't go backwards in time. 117 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: It's early to mid I'll admit I forgot how old 118 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: I get the tea? 119 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: I told you to go get the tea? Did you 120 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: go get the tea? 121 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: Well, we've got tea in the press galery. 122 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Office and the tea Jason, don't waste the tea that's 123 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: sitting in the post office. 124 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: Listen. As I told you yesterday, we're still out for 125 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: consultation and we need six to nine months. 126 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: Send another staff mean to get the tea because because 127 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: they can't just sit there being wasted. Thank you. We'll 128 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: talk to you a quarter past six. It's Jason Wall's 129 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: political editors. 130 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to 131 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 3: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 132 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio