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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Andrew Dickens on Hither Dupless Alan Drive.

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Speaker 2: With one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 4: As well good afternoons. You you've made it. It is Friday,

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Speaker 4: the twenty fourth of January. You've chosen our program and

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Speaker 4: we're very thankful. My name is Andrew Dickens and for

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Speaker 4: been with us for a while and there's a warning

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Speaker 4: that numbers could get way worse. Is there anything we

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Speaker 4: should change? We'll have that story for you in two minutes.

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Speaker 4: David Seymour reckons that health should be privatized. Now what

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Speaker 4: would that look like and would it be any better?

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about this. Just after five wetter FX gets

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Speaker 4: We'll have correspondence from around the world and around New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: It is eight f four Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 4: It is a State of the Nation season with Christopher

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Speaker 4: Luxon yesterday and David Seymour today and more and more

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Speaker 4: listening to the States of the Nation, I've realized it's

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Speaker 4: more about blue sky thinking. It's more about virtue signaling,

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean any of it will happen. So Christopher

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Speaker 4: Luxon said a lot of things yesterday, but mostly it's

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Speaker 4: about opening us up to foreign investments. And he mentioned

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Speaker 4: public private partnerships. So let's take a look at those, Shelley.

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Speaker 4: They're fantastic. I love the idea. The question is is

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Speaker 4: not seen as an attractive option and that we're not reliable.

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Speaker 4: So our last was for transmission Gully, and that is

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Speaker 4: proving to be troublesome and unprofitable for the overseas money.

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Speaker 4: A Quebec Sovereign Wealth Fund spent thousands of hours and

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Speaker 4: this plan. We turned around and said no labour was

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Speaker 4: why would anyone overseas waste their money thinking about us

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Speaker 4: in a coalition government Today David Seymour spun some more tales,

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Speaker 4: and hidden in one was a question, would you like

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Speaker 4: us to scrap the public health system and make it private?

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Speaker 4: The government will give you six thousand dollars. You can

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Speaker 4: then go and choose the private healthcare you want. This

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Speaker 4: You go out and choose your provider, free choice for all. Now,

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Speaker 4: the problem with all of that is. First of all,

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Speaker 4: Near research from Otiger University has painted a grim picture

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Speaker 5: Well, the numbers will be that high partly past population growth, No,

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Speaker 4: Is this because of lifestyle or genetics? So the genetics

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's associated with poverty, associated with obesity. We

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Speaker 5: going to support our children's healthy food consumption. That's one

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Speaker 4: Well, people like you and many other people who have

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Speaker 4: I was about to say, if we have half a

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Speaker 4: Need Yeah, Okay, Andrew, thank you so much for your advice.

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Speaker 4: That is Andrea Ting, who is an Ottaga University researcher.

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Speaker 4: And you know I'm right. We've been talking about this

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Speaker 4: It is four point fifteen. I feel like a fool today.

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Speaker 4: Yes, News Talk said be it is four eighteen. So

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Speaker 7: And look, I'm making a great, great first of their

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Speaker 7: a great story, Andrew. As you know, he left New

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Speaker 7: a late career renaissance. I just wonder, you know, whether

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Speaker 7: that maybe it might be back where it started in

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Speaker 4: Maybe he comes home and finishes his career at Auckland FC,

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Speaker 7: It depends how the two teams are going and who's

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Speaker 4: Know, I was the Kings. I was sitting there going

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Speaker 4: now we've got the aukandf S. But the Kings, I

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Speaker 7: Well, let's see what happens. But I think at the

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Speaker 4: Well, pretty well, pretty well, Gosh, you're a hard man

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Speaker 4: we've got Australian Open semi finals today, We've got Djokovic

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Speaker 4: you'd make a fortune.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Andrew Dickinson for heaven Duc It's twenty five

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Speaker 4: to five. Sorry, a bit of fluff for you sitting

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Speaker 10: Much more important than that, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: But you know, but there we go. Maybe maybe they'll

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Speaker 2: Now it's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: Keeping with America. US President Donald Trump's parade of executive

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Speaker 4: His name is Richard Miles. And finally time that's a

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Speaker 4: very tenuous link. I'm playing tiny dancer because they're talking

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Speaker 1: Such a love Science International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 9: Hell, Dan, I'm still trying to figure out the connection

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Speaker 2: Bother me.

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Speaker 4: No, no, you can give it. We see see our

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Speaker 9: Going down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 4: it had a few amanments, and now it has loads

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Speaker 4: of amendments. I think you're down to twenty five or

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Speaker 4: twenty six or something like that. There's lots of amendments,

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Speaker 4: so you can change the document. Why has Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: not tried to change the Constitution?

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Speaker 9: I think it's not a matter of why why he hasn't.

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Speaker 9: I think he has and I think he'll continue to

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Speaker 9: try and do so over the next four years. And

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Speaker 9: the only for those who who oppose what he's trying

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Speaker 9: to do, they're going to just say, well, you've only

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Speaker 9: got four more years. So, as we mentioned a few

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Speaker 9: or a few days ago earlier this week, you know,

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Speaker 9: that's considered a lame duck president by many. That doesn't mean,

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Speaker 9: though that he won't be able to push through a

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Speaker 9: lot of what he's he's hoping to.

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Speaker 4: Push through pretty good. Because everybody is excited about the

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Speaker 4: release of the JFKRFK and MLK files.

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Speaker 2: Well they are.

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Speaker 9: I think you're it's kind of a Pandora's box, Like

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Speaker 9: you mentioned, you do this. What about the UFOs though?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 9: And I mean there's been millions and millions of pages

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Speaker 9: already of classified government documents that have come out on this.

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Speaker 9: I think something like ninety seven percent they said of

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Speaker 9: everything that they've had has has been released already. But

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Speaker 9: you know, Trump says, hey, he wants everything out there

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Speaker 9: in the open. He tried to get this done when

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Speaker 9: he was in office last time. The CIA kind of

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Speaker 9: pushed back. They had an appeal from them and the

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Speaker 9: FBI to keep some of the documents with health. So

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Speaker 9: it'll be interesting to see because we've got Robert F.

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Speaker 9: Kennedy he's going to be the Health secretary here and

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Speaker 9: his dad Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 9: eight too, So then you've got the documents on the

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Speaker 9: Reverend Martin Luther King Junior. And I think what this

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Speaker 9: is really going to do is just fuel more conspiracy

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Speaker 9: theories out there, as it has done for decades and decades.

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Speaker 4: That's true enough, that's true enough. It goes tech Schumer.

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned before, I wants the UFO files to

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Speaker 4: be released. And you have to say there will be

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Speaker 4: a hunger after all the drones.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I think you would. But I think there's

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Speaker 9: people like myself that are a little bit more curious

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Speaker 9: almost about those UFOs than they are about some of

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Speaker 9: the other documents that the president wants released too.

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Speaker 4: Briefly, Oscar nominations, we're going to talk about this with

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Speaker 4: New Zealand nominees Nicks. Any surprises for you.

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Speaker 9: Well, there are a few things. I think the fact

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Speaker 9: that you've got a lot of movies like you usually

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Speaker 9: do that a lot of people don't go see that

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Speaker 9: have been nominated for the Most Academy Awards. You've got

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Speaker 9: Amelia Perez, which is a transgender gangster who's escaping from

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Speaker 9: the mob that's broken the record for the most Oscar

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Speaker 9: nominations at least right English. So you've got Adrian Brodie's

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Speaker 9: movie The Brutalist.

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Speaker 2: Who got yeah.

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Speaker 9: And then Demi Moore, who you know, was so big

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Speaker 9: in the eighties and then kind of disappeared, and now

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Speaker 9: she's become this this front runner for Best Actress, so

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Speaker 9: she got a Golden Globe earlier. And then you've got

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Speaker 9: the Awards show themselves that some say, with all the

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Speaker 9: fires going on in Los Angeles, why are we doing this?

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Speaker 9: Why don't we do something like a telephone or something

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Speaker 9: like this to to raise money for the people that

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Speaker 9: have lost their homes.

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Speaker 4: From this nice point, enjoy the day, enjoy the weekend,

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Speaker 4: and I thank you for your time, Dan Mitchin the

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Speaker 4: time is now sixteen to five. We're going to look

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Speaker 4: at politics in just a few moments time.

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Speaker 1: This is News talks Politics with centrics credit check your

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Speaker 4: It's at thirteen minutes to five and we're joined by

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Speaker 4: Jason Wool's How Political editor Hea Jason good as, are

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Speaker 4: you there? Good afternoon testing there we get very nice.

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Speaker 4: Now politicians have descended on Latina. Is Chris Hipkins wearing shorts. No,

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Speaker 4: I'm not there.

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Speaker 12: My trusty Lieutenant Sophie Trigger is there. But I have

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Speaker 12: seen photos and he's actually wearing the full suit and

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Speaker 12: tie today, which is probably the first time he's put

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Speaker 12: it on since journing parliament early or late last year,

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Speaker 12: even though there was the Labor Caucus. But of course

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Speaker 12: he was wearing shorts and jandles there politicians dress aside.

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Speaker 12: Listen that there will be a lot of people telling

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Speaker 12: you how important Ratna is because it's usually the start

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Speaker 12: of the political year. And though you can't see my fingers,

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Speaker 12: but I'm doing inverted commas right now. But we've, of course,

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Speaker 12: we've had such a eventful week that they couldn't be

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Speaker 12: further from the truth. We've had reshuffles, We've had States

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Speaker 12: of the Nations. That's plural, because there's been a couple

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Speaker 12: of them. We've also had caucus retreats. So it's been

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Speaker 12: an extremely involved political week, which means that Ratina is

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Speaker 12: not really the focus that it usually is. Yes, they're

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Speaker 12: going to be talking about the treaties Principal's Bill, but

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Speaker 12: I do get the sense at this stage that nobody

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Speaker 12: really cares that much anymore. The NATS have said that

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Speaker 12: they're not supporting it in second reading. There's going to

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Speaker 12: be a select committee process. Yes, there's been a lot

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Speaker 12: of submissions in US, but you think about the wider

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Speaker 12: public and the fact that this isn't actually getting through.

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Speaker 12: I wonder how many people are actually thinking about this

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Speaker 12: on a daily basis. It's an interesting question, but it's

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Speaker 12: going to come up, and it has come up quite

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Speaker 12: a lot at Ratina today, and it's a bit of

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Speaker 12: a precursor for Whiteitangi next week or l late next month.

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Speaker 12: Rather of course, we know Chris Luxon's not going along,

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Speaker 12: so he's not going to bear the brunt of that,

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Speaker 12: but it's still something that's going to be front of mind.

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Speaker 4: You say, you wonder how many or everyone wonders how

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Speaker 4: many people are interested. But I can tell you whenever

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Speaker 4: we mention anything about the Treaty of White Tagi and

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Speaker 4: the Principles Act, we get a deluge of feedback here.

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Speaker 4: So while maybe maybe just a few people who feel

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Speaker 4: very deeply, there are still people that can't be ignored

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Speaker 4: and have a right to be heard.

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Speaker 2: Oh exactly.

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Speaker 12: And that's what the select committee process is going to

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Speaker 12: It's going to show us over the next six months

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Speaker 12: or so. But it just comes back to the fact

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Speaker 12: that it's not a bill that's actually going to be

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Speaker 12: progressed any further Emparliament. It's going to have its second

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Speaker 12: reading and it's going to be voted down. I think

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Speaker 12: me people are more interested in things about the cost

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Speaker 12: of living, or law and order or various different things

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Speaker 12: like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, i'll give you that. And so to know, we've

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Speaker 4: got the Malori queen, and we've got Maori leaders, and

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Speaker 4: we've got of course political leaders. Are they much talk?

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Speaker 4: Is there much talk at this one or do they

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Speaker 4: save it up for white Tongey.

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Speaker 12: Oh, there is always a lot of talk. There's speeches

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Speaker 12: from the pie from all the political leaders, only at

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Speaker 12: David Seymour, the only political leader that's not there. I

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Speaker 12: suppose this one's a little different in the sense that

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Speaker 12: all the MP's were welcomed at the same time with

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Speaker 12: the pulpity. Usually they sort of do the government ones

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Speaker 12: than the opposition ones, So I guess that there's some

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Speaker 12: forms of significance in that. But yeah, a bit of

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Speaker 12: a precursor to what we can expect at white Tonguey

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Speaker 12: next month.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned David seymo who did his State of

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Speaker 4: the Nation speech today, which was very had a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of you know, blue sky thinking, and he asked

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Speaker 4: a lot of questions. Rather than stating this is what

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Speaker 4: we'll do, he said, how would you like it if

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Speaker 4: we actually private ties the health system and gave you

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Speaker 4: six thousand dollars so you could spin it where you'd like.

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Speaker 4: And there were a lot of questions that he batted

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Speaker 4: over to us.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I mean that's all you can really do

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Speaker 12: as an opposite, well not an opposition, but as a

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Speaker 12: non lead party in government. State of the Nation's speech.

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Speaker 12: It's a lot of sort of what if this, or

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Speaker 12: wouldn't it be nice of that? Sort of questions that

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Speaker 12: opposed and David Seymour, you know, he can talk about

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Speaker 12: these things, but if they're not in the coalition agreement,

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Speaker 12: they're just not going to get through. And essentially what

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Speaker 12: he could tell his supporters is these are the sort

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Speaker 12: of things that we want to be campaigning when we're

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Speaker 12: looking to get in government the next time around. But ultimately,

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Speaker 12: at the end of the day, Chris Luxon isn't going

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Speaker 12: to watch this speech and think, you know what, he's

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Speaker 12: got some good ideas I am actually going to further

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Speaker 12: privatize the health system. That's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 12: But it's a good way for David Seymour to sort

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Speaker 12: of stand out from the rest of the political crowd.

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Speaker 12: As I said, they're all down there there in Ratna,

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Speaker 12: and it gives him a lot of opportunity to sort

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Speaker 12: of speak on a home turf where he's not going

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Speaker 12: to get I would say probably heckled and jeered if

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Speaker 12: he was at Ratna. We've seen that happen before. Obviously,

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Speaker 12: the crowd is usually very respectful, but there are a

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Speaker 12: couple of moments when there are a few eyes that

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Speaker 12: are rolled and that sort of thing. So he gets

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Speaker 12: to say these things on home turf to people that

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Speaker 12: are actually wanting to listen to what he says.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and of course David's speech was then the Prime

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Speaker 4: Minister was in asked questions after his Latin appearance, and

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Speaker 4: he just battered them away, saying, well, it's not on

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Speaker 4: our radar and we're not talking about that right now,

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Speaker 4: So you know it is. It's booths guy thinking it's

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Speaker 4: floating stuff up.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly, And it was always going to be that,

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Speaker 12: and so it's just an our opportunity for David Seymour

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Speaker 12: to set out his vision of what he would like

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Speaker 12: things to be. I mean I could do the same

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Speaker 12: thing right now. We probably got exactly the same amount

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Speaker 12: of chance for happening with my ideas than his.

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Speaker 4: O well said, and I thank you so much. Now

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Speaker 4: go away and have a weekend, because I know that

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Speaker 4: you've been doing extra hours for us, and I think

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Speaker 4: and we're very appreciative of it. Of that, and you

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Speaker 4: worked all summer on the talkback, So go have yourself

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Speaker 4: a week. In Jason Wall's out Political Editor, it is

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Speaker 4: now four point fifty two on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfasts mining.

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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister mentioned that in his address Shane Jones

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Speaker 7: as the Resources Minister.

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Speaker 3: We have an inordinately large dock of state. Much of

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Speaker 3: that dock estate is suitable for quirying and mining, and

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Speaker 3: we need to get over ourselves because if we want

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Speaker 3: deep surplus income, we should identify which areas are really

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Speaker 3: precious to the birth right of Kiwis and which areas

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Speaker 3: can be used for economic purposes.

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Speaker 13: So you're talking about opening up stewardship land, which is

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Speaker 13: nine percent of our land area to mining as well

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Speaker 13: as dockland.

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Speaker 3: Dockland is already used. In some cases, stewardship land can

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Speaker 3: be made available not only for mining but for other

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Speaker 3: economic purposes.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on the mic Hosking Breakfast back Monday from

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Speaker 1: six am with the Range Rover Villain on News Talk's

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Speaker 1: head B.

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Speaker 4: So there you go. There's Ryan and Shane talking about

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Speaker 4: mining on conservation lands. So obviously that is Shane Jones' attitudes.

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Speaker 4: And we do know that the Prime Minister said drill, baby, drill.

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Speaker 4: Well know actually the President said that, but he certainly

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Speaker 4: said it's time to get back into this whole business.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot to talk about in terms of mining,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to talk about that next hour. We've

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Speaker 4: got oh no, sorry, just after six. We've got Joseph

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Speaker 4: the Dhalon who is stratera chief executive. And obviously they mine,

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Speaker 4: so obviously they're pretty keen to get down to work.

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Speaker 4: So we'll ask them about that. As the weather the

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Speaker 4: conservation land is available, could it become available and how

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Speaker 4: much is in there? And I want to ask what

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Speaker 4: they want to mine for? Is it hydrocarbons, is it

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Speaker 4: precious metals, is it coal or is it rare earth?

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Speaker 4: I mean, where is their potential? So we'll do that

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Speaker 4: just after six o'clock this morning. Text through Andrew, you

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Speaker 4: and the Prime Minister are the only ones working orcland

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Speaker 4: is dead quiet? Yes for the country, I have to

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Speaker 4: say it's orkand anniversary weekend. Monday is a holiday. Ryan

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Speaker 4: Bridge will be doing the Breakfast show, Andrew Dickens will

666
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Speaker 4: be doing the Drive show on Tuesday. My Hosking is back,

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Speaker 4: but it is fair to say that Auckland is dead quiet.

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Speaker 4: I also work on another radio station, Gold Great Rock,

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Speaker 4: and I went down to say hello to my mates.

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Speaker 4: There was no one there at one o'clock in the afternoon.

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Speaker 4: And I tell you this is the problem with this country.

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Speaker 4: We complained about our productivity. You get a long anniversary

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Speaker 4: weekend and Fridays are right off and so is Monday.

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Speaker 4: But the rest of the country is working hard because

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Speaker 4: it's not there. Well, actually it's about half the country

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Speaker 4: goes away as well, doesn't it because White Ketto and

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Speaker 4: everywhere anyway, everybody is working. I love your work and

678
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Speaker 4: we'll be back in a few moments time. We'll be

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Speaker 4: talking to dr Angus Chambers about David Seymour's privatization ideas

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Speaker 4: and could they fly.

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Speaker 1: Monday Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Andrew Dickens on hither duples see

683
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Speaker 1: Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back. Thank you so much for listening. My name

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Speaker 4: is Andrew Dickinson for Heather. It is now seven minutes

687
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Speaker 4: after five. There's been two games, Djokovic versus Verev, and

688
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: they've all gone on forever and it's it's deuce in

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Speaker 4: the third. This is going to be a long one.

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Speaker 4: Right Act Party leader David Seymour has done his own

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Speaker 4: State of the Nation's speech. Of course, he's not the

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Speaker 4: leader of the nation. It's his feeling of the state

693
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Speaker 4: of the nation. And he says we need to stop

694
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Speaker 4: being so scared of privatization, and he says we need

695
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Speaker 4: to seriously look at selling government assets that's also known

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Speaker 4: as asset recycling, and changing the way we fund education

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Speaker 4: and health. And here is some of what David had

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Speaker 4: to say.

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Speaker 14: We're now spending six thousand dollars per citizen on healthcare

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Speaker 14: almost how many people would give up their right to

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Speaker 14: the public health care system if they got a six

702
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Speaker 14: thousand dollars contribution to private insurance. Perhaps we should allow

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Speaker 14: people to opt out of the public health care system

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Speaker 14: and take their portion of the funding with them for

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Speaker 14: that sort of scheme.

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Speaker 4: That's David Seymour.

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Speaker 13: So.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Angus Chambers is chair of the General Practices A

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Speaker 4: General Practice Owners Association, and Angus joins me. Now, Hello,

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Speaker 4: good afternoon, good idea, A bad idea.

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Speaker 15: Ah, Look, there's a lot of work that needs to

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Speaker 15: go into that to make to see whether it is

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Speaker 15: an evidence based kind of policy. We know that it

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Speaker 15: happens around the world, transitioning from what we've got to

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Speaker 15: that has got some you know, pitfalls. Maybe there are

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Speaker 15: some pros, but there are some cons as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 15: we'd have to see what it looked like. It wouldn't

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Speaker 15: be completely against it. I think there are some efficiencies

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Speaker 15: in private run organizations, general practice being one of them.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, private run organizations in New Zealand do seem

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Speaker 4: to be operating at a higher level.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Look, I mean there is a whole lot of stuff

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Speaker 15: with insurance based systems. There's a whole claim based bureaucracy

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Speaker 15: that needs to come into play. There's the profit element

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Speaker 15: that you know isn't there in the public system, but

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Speaker 15: perhaps efficiency trumps the efficiency gains trumps the losses that

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Speaker 15: you get from profit. So yeah, we're worth examining. But

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Speaker 15: it's not a completely obvious solution.

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Speaker 4: Here, and it means that health care is not democratically accountable.

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Speaker 2: The way we've got at the moment.

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Speaker 4: You mean, no, under a private system, while we provide

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Speaker 4: the money, we don't have any control over the operation

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Speaker 4: the actual outcomes other than putting in regulations.

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Speaker 15: Indeed, and you know, certainly some insurance based systems there

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Speaker 15: are people who miss out because they're not ensurable and

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Speaker 15: they're not haven't got the money.

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Speaker 8: To do it.

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Speaker 15: So we have to be very very careful in anything

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Speaker 15: like this, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: You've mentioned before in your first answer that it's used

742
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Speaker 4: around the world. It is. It's used in Germany, it's

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Speaker 4: used in France, it's used in Switzerland, and it's also

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Speaker 4: used of course in the United States of America. So

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Speaker 4: does it work well well?

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Speaker 15: I think if you're looking at the United States of America,

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Speaker 15: it works extremely well for some people who have got

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Speaker 15: all the resources they need, but it works very, very

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Speaker 15: poorly for a large part of the population. I think

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Speaker 15: the European models are probably better at looking at but equally,

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Speaker 15: if you look at high performing health systems around the world,

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Speaker 15: some of the Scandinavian countries would be at very near the.

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Speaker 6: Top, if not the top.

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Speaker 15: And they've got a publicly funded health system, so it's

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Speaker 15: not just a linear I've good insurance system, you do better.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying the most successful systems in the world

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Speaker 4: are public and they're in Scandinavia, but also remember that

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Speaker 4: they have very high levels of government spending and income.

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Speaker 15: But very high taxes too, very high.

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Speaker 4: Taxes where we go meanwhim, I mean, maybe it doesn't

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Speaker 4: work in America. I can see many people saying that.

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Speaker 4: So we could adopt something more like Germany, France or

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Speaker 4: Switzerland and it could work here.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think it bears examining. I wouldn't claim

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Speaker 15: to be an expert on that, but you know, if

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Speaker 15: it's successful and delivers a great care across the population

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Speaker 15: and we don't have significant people missing out on it,

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Speaker 15: but it would take you know, we haven't got a

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Speaker 15: setup for this at the moment. We certainly have got

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Speaker 15: private healthcare delivery, but it doesn't do the whole suite

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Speaker 15: of healthcare. In fact, a private system relies on our

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Speaker 15: public system to be the most complex of surgeries and interventions,

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Speaker 15: and if something goes wrong in the private system, it's

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Speaker 15: not uncommon to have to transfer across to the public system.

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Speaker 15: So we don't want to weaken that and lose some

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Speaker 15: of the great healthcare that we do provide in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Angus Chambers, a chair of the General Practices Owners Association,

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Speaker 4: I thank you so much for your time today. Enjoy

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Speaker 4: your weekend. It is twelve after five Andrew Diggins. The

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Speaker 4: government is having a party. They're celebrating hitting its KPIs

781
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Speaker 4: five years early. When it comes to reducing the number

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Speaker 4: of people in emergency housing hotel motels are by seventy

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Speaker 4: five percent. They gave themselves five years to do that.

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Speaker 4: They've done it already. They are now just under six

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Speaker 4: hundred households in emergency motels. And Dama Portaka is the

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Speaker 4: Associate Housing Minister and joints who now Hello, Hello, Tama.

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Speaker 8: Hey Kiday, Why how are you today?

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Speaker 4: I'm very well. You've beaten your own target by five years,

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Speaker 4: so it was the target too easy.

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Speaker 8: Look, I think that there are a lot of key

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Speaker 8: wes doing it tough out there in housing, not only

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Speaker 8: those that have been living in motels, but there's a

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Speaker 8: real serious housing crisis out there. We've worked hard at

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Speaker 8: focusing on achieving the target, which we thought was a

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Speaker 8: challenging one, but one we could really commit ourselves too.

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Speaker 8: And I think true the hard work of many officials,

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Speaker 8: a bit of political leadership, and some pretty diligent decision making,

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Speaker 8: we're able to reach the target. But now there's a

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Speaker 8: question of maintaining the target, maintaining where we're at, and

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Speaker 8: also dealing with the bigger emergency crisis out there.

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Speaker 16: How did you do it well?

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Speaker 8: We were really careful and clear about eligibility for people

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Speaker 8: to go into emergency housing. That was one of the

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Speaker 8: steps that we took, so been absolutely clear about who

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Speaker 8: is eligible to get into emergency housing and making sure

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Speaker 8: it's for a genuine need to the right question to ask.

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Speaker 8: The second thing was that we provided a lot of

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Speaker 8: support around housing brokers and navigators and others to enable

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Speaker 8: people to come out of emergency housing, but also for

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Speaker 8: those people that might fall in to keep them out

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Speaker 8: of emergency housing, so that it was a variety of

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Speaker 8: products that we could help house and support products help

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Speaker 8: people stay out of emergency housing. The third thing we did,

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Speaker 8: which was massive, was really focusing on comittocky or children

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Speaker 8: and ensuring that they were prioritizing the social housing witless.

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Speaker 8: So as there were thousands of children in emergency housing

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Speaker 8: when we came into administration, we said, hey, children's a

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Speaker 8: big focus. We've got to get tomodikey out of motels

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Speaker 8: and hotels dank ones, get them into a stable situation.

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Speaker 8: And as a result of that decision, we're able to

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Speaker 8: fastrate children and their families out and now two thousand

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Speaker 8: plus children have come out of emergency housing since we

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Speaker 8: took office.

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Speaker 4: But critics say, you check them out of the motels

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Speaker 4: and you don't know where they are now? Is that true?

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Speaker 8: That's very unfair and deliberately confusing. We actually arrived and

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Speaker 8: we knew where about fifty percent of people we're going

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Speaker 8: at that time when they left emergency housing. Now we

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Speaker 8: know where there are about eighty percent of people going.

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Speaker 8: There are a number of people we don't know where

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Speaker 8: they're going. People don't have to tell US, but we

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Speaker 8: do know where about eighty percent of those exiting emergency

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Speaker 8: housing are landing, whether or not it's social or transitional

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Speaker 8: fifty five percent or private housing maybe about twenty five

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Speaker 8: twenty six percent. What we also are very very happy

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Speaker 8: with is in a number of tamitique again that have

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Speaker 8: come out of emergency housing. We've got a couple of

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Speaker 8: other ideas that are currently in play. We've really focused

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Speaker 8: on tomit Key. Now we've started up a bit of

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Speaker 8: a programm singles in couples without tamidikey, those that have

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Speaker 8: been in there for a very long time two or

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Speaker 8: three years, and trying to get them out as well.

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Speaker 4: Good Saftia Portaka currently I'll have to know I thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for your time today. It is now

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Speaker 4: nine to sixteen, and we're very excited here because it's

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Speaker 4: a Friday and we like to do good news stories

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Speaker 4: on a Friday, and there's a good news story coming

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Speaker 4: out of Wellington and we know that Wellington's been doing

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Speaker 4: it tough and once again it comes from WETA who

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Speaker 4: have had a fantastic day. More on that in just

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Speaker 4: a few moments. News Sok Sibei. It is now eighteen

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Speaker 4: minutes after five. So Djokovic Zverev in the semifinals have

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00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: been for half an hour now and they just completed

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Speaker 4: the fourth game. This is a mighty arm wrestler's tool. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: on the other court, not wrong en rolled labor. We've

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Speaker 4: got Aaron Rault Lift the New Zealander competing in the

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Speaker 4: women's doubles semi final and her team is ahead four

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Speaker 4: to three with a serve to come. So look it's

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Speaker 4: looking good for a key we in an Ossie Open final.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 4: The Oscar nominations came out today. Our own Wetter FX

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Speaker 4: has nabbed three nominations for the film's alien Romulus Better Man. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's the Robbie Williams one where Robbie is played by

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Speaker 4: a monkey and speaking of monkeys, also Kingdom of the

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Speaker 4: Planet of the Apes. Now they're all up for awards

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Speaker 4: for visual effects work. The Oscars are set to play

867
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Speaker 4: take place in Hollywood. The date the third of March,

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Speaker 4: and the head of VFX at Wetter is Matt Aiken,

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Speaker 4: who joins me, now, how am Matt, Hi?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, what a great piece of news to wake up

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Speaker 16: to this morning. Three nominations in the possible total of five.

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Speaker 6: So.

873
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Speaker 16: Just an incredible testament to all the hard work that

874
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Speaker 16: the team's been doing here over the last year.

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Speaker 4: Took us through the work that went into these films.

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Speaker 16: Yes, so one by one Kingdom of the Planet of

877
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Speaker 16: the Apes. There's a lot of digital visual effects work

878
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Speaker 16: involved in creating these entirely cg ape characters. What distinguishes

879
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Speaker 16: Kingdom is that it's several generations after the last episode

880
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Speaker 16: in the series, so there's a whole new cast of

881
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Speaker 16: Ape characters, so we had to build them all from scratch.

882
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Speaker 16: We get to work with new actors doing the reference

883
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Speaker 16: performance for these characters, and we got involved in a

884
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Speaker 16: lot of simulation work as well. Another real great skill

885
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Speaker 16: that we've developed in the last few years is digital

886
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Speaker 16: water simulation work, so we can create very natural, realistic

887
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Speaker 16: looking water. So when we've got a digital orangutan character Raka,

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Speaker 16: who has fallen off a bridge and is hanging on

889
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Speaker 16: for dear life in these rappids with water all swelling

890
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Speaker 16: around him, his furs all wet, his fur is being

891
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Speaker 16: dynamically moved by the water. That's all simulation work that

892
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Speaker 16: we're doing that looks incredibly believable, and I'm sure people

893
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Speaker 16: are just lost in the peril of the moment and

894
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Speaker 16: not thinking, Oh, I really like the way that that

895
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Speaker 16: water simulation probably took up a lot of brisk space.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's the trick, isn't it? So that it

897
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Speaker 4: doesn't look like a special effect. It looks like reality.

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Speaker 4: And I guess your monkey, your monkey work served you

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Speaker 4: well with the Robbie Williams film Better Man and then

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Speaker 4: of course Alien. I mean, gosh, that must have been

901
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Speaker 4: a dream come true to do a film like that,

902
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Speaker 4: because it's always been great. What I would like to

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Speaker 4: ask you, though, in getting this recognition, how important is

904
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Speaker 4: it for New Zealand films to get this And is

905
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Speaker 4: it good news for the Wellington economy.

906
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Speaker 16: I would like to think it's it's fantastic news for

907
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Speaker 16: the Wellington economy. You know, we we're over two thousand strong,

908
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Speaker 16: most of whom are here in Wellington. It's it's very

909
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Speaker 16: highly technical work, highly artistic work. It's very satisfying work.

910
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Speaker 16: I think we make it make a great contribution to

911
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Speaker 16: the Wellington economy. But we you know, we tucked away

912
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Speaker 16: here at the bottom of the Pacific. We we have

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Speaker 16: to work extra hard to to attract the work down here,

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Speaker 16: and the best way that we can do that is

915
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Speaker 16: by delivering work of the highest quality. That's that's our

916
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Speaker 16: calling card. That's that's what gets us the repeat work

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Speaker 16: on on series of films like the Apes films.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 16: So equality is what is is what's going to continue

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Speaker 16: to to be our you know, our main, our main

921
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Speaker 16: calling card. And the fact that we've got these three

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Speaker 16: nominations today determined by the Academy, you know that this

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Speaker 16: is the people who are making these nominations, are determining

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Speaker 16: these nominations. Are the leaders in visual effects in the world,

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Speaker 16: you know, the three hundred and fifty odd members of

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Speaker 16: the Visual effects branch of the Academy, that's who's nominated us.

927
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Speaker 16: And so that they think that we're doing the best

928
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Speaker 16: work in the world is it is just fantastic news

929
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Speaker 16: for us. And if one of these three films ends

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Speaker 16: up picking up the Oscar itself, that will be like

931
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Speaker 16: the icing on the cake and we'll have our seven

932
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Speaker 16: the people from the company who are actually named on

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Speaker 16: the nomination list, they will be dressing up on the

934
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Speaker 16: taxedos on the day and going to the ceremony in

935
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Speaker 16: Hollywood at the Dolby Theater and if some of those

936
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Speaker 16: people get to go up on the stage and pick

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Speaker 16: up an oscar, that will be a huge moment for

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Speaker 16: us here. We'll all be watching here in Wellington, We'll

939
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Speaker 16: all be popping champagne.

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Speaker 4: Call of course you will fantasic and thank you so

941
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Speaker 4: much for your time today. Matt Matt Aikin is the

942
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Speaker 4: head of VFX at wetter And if we call them

943
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Speaker 4: after coming, if we call them after they win the Oscars,

944
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Speaker 4: we have to call them before they hit the Governor's ball,

945
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Speaker 4: because then they'll be in no state actually to give

946
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Speaker 4: us a decent interview. It is a five twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It's Talks b.

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Speaker 1: Porting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart

949
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Speaker 1: of the story, it's Andrew dickens on Hither dupless Alan

950
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Speaker 1: drive with one news, Let's get connected and youth Talks.

951
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Speaker 4: They'd be by twenty six. So I was reading the

952
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Speaker 4: Herald the other day and I started reading the classifieds.

953
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Speaker 4: Classifieds another reason to keep papers, by the way. Anyway,

954
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Speaker 4: I was reading the classifides and I looked and then

955
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Speaker 4: I was shocked to see how many liquidation notices they

956
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Speaker 4: were there. There were more liquidation notices than death notices

957
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Speaker 4: and frankly that's saying something in the town's bigg as Awkland,

958
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Speaker 4: and I thought, gosh, that's a stark illustration of just

959
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Speaker 4: how tough times are. And in the gun being liquidated

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Speaker 4: Northland sand blasters, development companies, hospitality businesses, quite a few builders,

961
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Speaker 4: a car Valley operation of car Valley, and loads of

962
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Speaker 4: individuals who obviously have hit the wall in our hard times,

963
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 4: all falling victims to all the different factors that we

964
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Speaker 4: know about. Inflation, high interest rates, cuts in government spending

965
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Speaker 4: has hit them as well because that's taken away bread

966
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Speaker 4: and butter contracts, particularly in building and contracting. I saw

967
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Speaker 4: Damien Grant's name pop up a lot because he's a liquidator,

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Speaker 4: a famous liquidator, and that's a business that's booming. New

969
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Speaker 4: Sealing liquid nations are at very very high levels, according

970
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Speaker 4: to stats released this week, much higher than the GFC.

971
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Speaker 4: Many of the businesses being wound up are being liquidated

972
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Speaker 4: by the IRD. That's because the id's attitude is pay

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Speaker 4: your taxes or die, which is a warning to anyone

974
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Speaker 4: going into business. We just had the winding up as

975
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Speaker 4: well of Obco, that's the electric motorbike maker out of Turninger,

976
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Speaker 4: who had a contract with Australia Posts. They seemed like

977
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Speaker 4: they were totally on a success path, but they needed

978
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Speaker 4: more capital, and in their rapid growth, apparently they became

979
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Speaker 4: top heavy with management. And I thought about it all,

980
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Speaker 4: and I thought, God, how hard is it in business?

981
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Speaker 4: How hard is it to go from being a starter

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Speaker 4: to being a small business, and then to go from

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Speaker 4: being a small business to being a medium business, and

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Speaker 4: then if all the gods are willing up to being

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Speaker 4: a large one. There are so many pitfalls in the

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Speaker 4: journey of a business, and many great ideas fail despite

987
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Speaker 4: their strengths, and therefore it takes special talents and very

988
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Speaker 4: special people to navigate their way to success. And frankly,

989
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Speaker 4: many think you have the CEOs and politicians we have

990
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Speaker 4: have never had to travel this path. They've been pointed

991
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Speaker 4: into the role. They haven't traveled the path of growing

992
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Speaker 4: a business from startup to longgoing success. And that's why

993
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Speaker 4: all the success stories of all the businesses that make

994
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Speaker 4: it and that employers are so precious. So I thought,

995
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to take the time right now to

996
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Speaker 4: thank the business creators who take the risks and avoid

997
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Speaker 4: the failure. You are the heart of a successful country.

998
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Speaker 4: I take my hat off to you and I thank

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Speaker 4: you Dickens. So in a moment we're taking you to

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Speaker 4: kerwe A west of christ Church, home of the South

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Speaker 4: Island agricultural field days, population one thy, one hundred and eighty.

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Speaker 4: It's a little town on the Waimakairi and it's about

1003
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Speaker 4: to have a very very big day. We'll have details

1004
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 4: for you in five minutes time. The sport's huddled today

1005
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: as well as coming up and it's still going with

1006
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Speaker 4: Serve in the Australian Open and I'm Andrew Dickens and

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Speaker 4: Heather's on maternity leave and Ryan's doing the show next

1008
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 4: week from Tuesday.

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Speaker 14: We can go forever till you losten.

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Speaker 17: It out.

1011
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: Moving the big stories of the day before.

1012
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Speaker 1: When it's Andrew Dickens on Hither Duples see Alan Drive

1013
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

1014
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: It'd be what.

1015
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Speaker 15: Take come.

1016
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Speaker 2: When do we go.

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Speaker 4: De Welcome back twenty three to six. So after my

1018
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Speaker 4: little comments Andrew, we just need to loe of the

1019
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Speaker 4: Texans of New Zealand. We also need to spend text

1020
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Speaker 4: money way more focused and we want to make it easier.

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Speaker 16: To be here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your texts. Right now, someone says, who

1023
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Speaker 4: rauh small business? Two thumbs up? I agree. Someone else

1024
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: gets all philosophical mate, it says great business will survive,

1025
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Speaker 4: but dreamers will not. Meanwhile, look we're about to do

1026
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Speaker 4: a quite a bit of sport. Just wanted to make

1027
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Speaker 4: one little serious point here. CO governance, of course, is

1028
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Speaker 4: still pretty unpalatable to many. And I learned today that

1029
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Speaker 4: Rotarua EWEI will regain a seat on the Rotarua Council

1030
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Speaker 4: table this year. But there's a big difference and that

1031
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Speaker 4: the councilors or whatever we call them, will have no

1032
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 4: voting powers, so that EWE will control a committee that

1033
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Speaker 4: they elect themselves, So there's a bit of democracy in there.

1034
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Speaker 4: The committee can then do all the research and come

1035
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Speaker 4: up with our ideas and then present them to the

1036
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Speaker 4: full councilor and their ideas about other council things at

1037
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Speaker 4: the council meeting. But anything that then comes up in

1038
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Speaker 4: any decision that will be made will have to be

1039
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Speaker 4: approved by the democratically elected representatives of Rotorua. So Ewi's

1040
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Speaker 4: in there, but no vote. So I'm malordly happy with this. Well,

1041
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Speaker 4: the decision apparently has thrilled one to a EWE leader

1042
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Speaker 4: who hopes it will help to Alowa's vision for the

1043
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Speaker 4: next quarter century be realized. I think he's just happy

1044
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Speaker 4: that he will be heard.

1045
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Speaker 16: So here we go.

1046
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: I just wondered if that was a model that tackles

1047
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 4: thorny issue that might possibly make all sides happy. Twenty

1048
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Speaker 4: one to six Andrew Dickens, Okay, this is great. I

1049
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Speaker 4: love the story. The town is Kurwey, population one thousand,

1050
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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty. It's just west of christ Church.

1051
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Speaker 4: It's currently gearing up for the biggest game in the

1052
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Speaker 4: town's history. The Blues and the Crusaders are playing a

1053
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Speaker 4: preseason game in Kirwey in a week's time on January

1054
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Speaker 4: the thirty first. The game's already sold out. Close to

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Speaker 4: three thousand fans will be in attendance. Can I remind

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Speaker 4: you of population one thousand, one hundred and eighty, but

1057
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Speaker 4: there'll be three thousand at the ground. Blair Jones is

1058
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Speaker 4: Kirby rugby club president. He's been driving to Kaikoda today

1059
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Speaker 4: and he joins you, now, hey, Blair, how are you?

1060
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Speaker 15: Hey?

1061
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Speaker 18: You going?

1062
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Speaker 3: Andrew?

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Speaker 4: You're right, I'm good. This is massive.

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Speaker 18: Oh yeah, that's pretty exciting for the club. Yeah. No,

1065
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Speaker 18: everyone's pretty pumped for it.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Where are you going to play it?

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Speaker 19: Hey? Sorry?

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Speaker 4: Where are you going to play the game?

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Speaker 6: Ah?

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Speaker 18: Hey Kurley?

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, no the ground? What ground are you going

1073
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Speaker 4: to play on? The on the field? Day's ground? What

1074
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Speaker 4: ground is it?

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Speaker 18: Courry domain? Yep?

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Speaker 4: All right, have you got a grand stand there?

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Speaker 18: I've got a few grandstands set up. We're going to

1078
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Speaker 18: have a truck and trailer for our members and uh

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Speaker 18: yeah and our sponsors.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Really realize made of course that most of the people

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand don't know about Cooey and don't know

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Speaker 4: what you are. So you're building the grandstands, you're building

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00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 4: the ground stands.

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Speaker 18: No, No, we're actually using some local from the other

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00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 18: local clubs plus the a MP grounds. They've got some

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00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 18: stands there we're using and we've got our own stands

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00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 18: as well. So yeah, so that's pretty pretty mainly standing room.

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Speaker 18: But yeah, no, we'll have a grandstand on that for them.

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Speaker 4: And you're putting the members on the back of a truck.

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Speaker 18: Yep, a curtain sider yep. No, we're going to have

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Speaker 18: a bit of area for them so in our sponsors,

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00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 18: so that'll be good.

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Speaker 4: Okay, three thousand tickets is to sellout right there. You know,

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00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: there's twice as many people at the ground and there's

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Speaker 4: normally in the town. So that's amazing. Is this the

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Speaker 4: big financial boost your clip? Oh it is yep.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, no, it will definitely help us get a bit

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Speaker 18: extra money for some other stuff for junior rugby and

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Speaker 18: seniors and stuff. Definitely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So you get what the crusaders are organizing this,

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Speaker 4: so they get they get the lion's share of the money,

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Speaker 4: but you get a cat.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, we'll get we'll get a bit of a cat

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Speaker 18: and yep, we'll make a bit of money off the

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Speaker 18: bar and stuff and yeah, and the Lions are going

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Speaker 18: to do the food, so they're going to get a

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Speaker 18: bit of a bit of the food stuff.

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Speaker 19: So that'll be good.

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Speaker 4: It's nice to see another town other than Kourou in

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Speaker 4: the South of Ireland South Island actually getting getting some pressed.

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Speaker 4: So how important is rugby for the people of Kowi.

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00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 18: That's pretty pretty big.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 18: That's the main sort of thing in kowe as the

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00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 18: rugby as uh, you know, all the locals play there

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00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 18: and yeah, no it's good.

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Speaker 4: And is the field and tiptop shape? Because these are

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Speaker 4: world leading athletes. How's the groundskeepers work?

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Speaker 18: Oh, anyone's been doing a great job for us?

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Speaker 9: Yep?

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Speaker 18: No, he's been flat out watering and uh yep, the

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Speaker 18: field will be pretty top notch. I'd say, who's going

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Speaker 18: to win? Different than the Crusaders.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know why I asked that question. Blair, Blair,

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Speaker 4: knock yourself out, have yourself a great time and a

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00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: big step in the back, and congratulations to you and

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Speaker 4: all the people from Kowe.

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Speaker 18: Thanks very much.

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Speaker 4: Eighteen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,

1132
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: local and global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 2: Back.

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00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 17: He's overrated, no back kicking in.

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00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 12: I feel like broadcasters should be helping us grow our

1136
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 12: sport and help these athletes who.

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00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 20: Just won matches on the biggest stage enjoy one of

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00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 20: their biggest moments.

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 8: The last thing you want, is supply is thinking, actually, well,

1140
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 8: I'm going to leave school at fifteen and to go

1141
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 8: to Australia play NRL or whatever it is.

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Speaker 21: I think it's just we've got to be really thoughtful

1143
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 21: about eligible team.

1144
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Speaker 4: All right, Just get into a sports huddle out of Friday.

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Speaker 4: We've got Elliot Smith, our dip G sports news director

1146
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 4: and Lavina Goods are sports journers. Hello people, afternoon yep,

1147
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 4: get an nice to chat with you. Hello, Hello, How

1148
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: good was that Kurwe story? Eliot?

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00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 13: Oh, fantastic.

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00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 3: Look.

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00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 13: I know my sister or her husband have got tickets.

1152
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 13: They got the months ago. They live in West Melton,

1153
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 13: which is about ten minutes drive away from Kerwei, So

1154
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 13: there's some of the two thousand extras that are coming

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00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 13: into Kerwei for the afternoon, and no doubt they'll have

1156
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 13: an afternoon out. I know it's special to see rugby

1157
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 13: go to these regions, whether it's pre season or season itself.

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00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 13: I don't think we do that enough in New Zealand.

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00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 13: It's the heart but you know, the heartbeat of the

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00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 13: game here, and so the more we can do to

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00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 13: connect with those regions, I think the better.

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00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 4: Well, the Crusaders are getting them a couldn't they give

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00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 4: them the whole gate?

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Speaker 13: Quite possibly? You know, three thousand people times whatever they

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00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 13: get paid to get in ten bucks or twenty bucks

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Speaker 13: or whatever it might be, is probably not going to

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00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 13: be too much skin off the nose of the say

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 13: his mind, you they're not getting Richie and Wanga back,

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00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 13: so maybe they need to get the money in when

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Speaker 13: they can.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Elliott's just brought up the elephant of the room,

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Speaker 4: Levinna Richie Mulwanga. Why do you think Razor didn't get

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Speaker 4: Richie back? I mean, or who was it? Was it

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: Richie didn't want to come back or we couldn't get

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Speaker 4: him back? What do you reckon?

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Speaker 22: I think the big question actually is did the All

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Speaker 22: Blacks need Muwanger? And that's a big fact, yes, without doubt.

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Speaker 22: I mean, body Barrett's getting a bit old and Mackenzie's

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Speaker 22: really not making the cart at the moment. And at

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Speaker 22: this stage the way it stands, even though Razor was

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Speaker 22: saying we'll get him back, it doesn't look like he'll

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Speaker 22: be available till mid next year, which will be far

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00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 22: too late. I think for the All Blacks it's just

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00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 22: a bit ironic. Maybe in July next year. This year, sorry,

1185
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 22: he'll be playing for an invitational fifteen against the Lions

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00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 22: as a warm up where the All Blacks will play

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Speaker 22: against France.

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Speaker 15: I guess you know.

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Speaker 22: The other thing is do I want Richie Moorenging to

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Speaker 22: play for the All Blacks. Yes, I feel sorry for

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00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 22: him earning six million dollars playing for Japan for three years.

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Speaker 22: Not should New Zealand Rugby change its rules if they

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Speaker 22: want the All Blacks to be successful in twenty twenty five,

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00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 22: probably yes, we need more Onnger you should be here.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, okay, But then again you could have another

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: question is can we open up selection overseas?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well why not?

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Speaker 22: In a way I think that might be the way

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Speaker 22: forward if it means that we're losing players that we

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Speaker 22: need to actually be successful at the moment without a

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Speaker 22: significant first five, the All Blacks will absolutely struggle. It's

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Speaker 22: thirty three year old Boden Barrett at the moment that

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Speaker 22: is the incumbent first five and that's not going to

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Speaker 22: make it internationally, I don't think for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 22: So whether or not you know you can open up

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Speaker 22: the dollar books and the money books, or whether or

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Speaker 22: not you can welcome some players from overseas if you

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Speaker 22: want to make a difference. If the All Blacks want

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Speaker 22: to be successful and back to being the very best

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Speaker 22: in the world, changes need to be made.

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Speaker 4: Elliot's watched every single wall Blacks game this season.

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Speaker 7: So what do you think.

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Speaker 13: Look, I think the time is coming where they're going

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Speaker 13: to have to seriously look at these rules. I know

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00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 13: they want to protect Super Rugby as much as possible,

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Speaker 13: and that's under standable, but to my mind, it's almost

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Speaker 13: more of a detriment now that you're having this will

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Speaker 13: Richie Muonger, Willy you know, Willy Wonti come back sort

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Speaker 13: of scenarios. Now the Crusaders or which she ever team

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00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 13: he signs for, don't know who's going to be there.

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 13: Whereas if he goes to Japan is earning all that

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Speaker 13: sort of money, at least you know he's out of there.

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Speaker 13: He's not going to be playing Super rugby. Yes, it's

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Speaker 13: a loss for the competition, but you don't have that

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00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 13: thing of asmong here this year, as the on sabbatical

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00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 13: is as already here as the on sabbatical. So it

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Speaker 13: would clear that up to an extent. And it also

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 13: takes a lot of the financial pressure off New Zealand

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Speaker 13: Ruggedy in a way because he's earning a lot of

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Speaker 13: money abroad. They would have to play all Blacks fees

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Speaker 13: and various things like that, but they would contribute I

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Speaker 13: think a lot less than they would having him back

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Speaker 13: in New Zealand. So I think the trainer is coming

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00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 13: to the station pretty soon for New Zealand Rugby to

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Speaker 13: make a call in some way, whether it's captain, maybe

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Speaker 13: it's a couple of players you can slip from abroad,

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Speaker 13: but I think it ultimately it's looking like a battle

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 13: they're probably going to lose.

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Speaker 4: And as Levina is on the sports Tuddle and we're

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Speaker 4: going to continue in a few minus time and we're

1242
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Speaker 4: going to talk tennis, and we're going to talk cricket,

1243
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 4: and we're going to talk sailing.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

1245
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: Elevate the marketing of your home with a.

1246
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Speaker 4: Very good and Elliott Smith. This is the Sport's Huddle.

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Speaker 4: I'mandrew Dickens. It is five all in the first set,

1248
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 4: and that first set has been going for an hour.

1249
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 4: This is Djokovic versus Verev. Got an hour just to

1250
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: get through ten games. This is going to be massive.

1251
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 4: This is great tennis this year, Elliott.

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Speaker 13: It has been absolutely and I think when you take

1253
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,959
Speaker 13: out Rafao and Nadal, Roger Federer and the men straw,

1254
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 13: there are a lot of questions around the future of

1255
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 13: that and perhaps not having a star around Djokovic to

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Speaker 13: challenge him. Well, there's been plenty of that have stepped up,

1257
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 13: haven't they. Yarnick Cinner obviously has been there been, Shelton

1258
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 13: very very promising, Zia is there thereabouts. So I think

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01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 13: those contenders are beginning to emerge across the sport, which

1260
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 13: is really very exciting. And then the women's straw, you

1261
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 13: know Serena Williams retires a couple of years ago, or

1262
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 13: egis Fiontek step up again, Arena sublink here, and then

1263
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 13: your other players that are coming through as well. So

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Speaker 13: it's been a great tournament so far. There's been obviously

1265
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 13: headlines off the court, but in terms of the tennis

1266
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 13: it has been outstanding. And you know, as you say,

1267
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 13: this could be a match that sort of goes through

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 13: about ten o'clock tonight.

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 4: I hope so, because I'm working until seven. So Lavina,

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Speaker 4: here's the thing. Novak called out Tony Jones, Ben Sheldon

1271
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 4: called out all the court side interviewers. Were they justified?

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Speaker 22: I actually wasn't offended by John Fitzgerald's comments in reference

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 22: to Shelton. I didn't find them offensive. I thought they're

1274
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 22: quite colloquial and patriotic, and I just look, the thing

1275
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 22: is for me, And I don't know, I don't know

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01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 22: if everyone agrees with this andrel and Elliott, but the

1277
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 22: thing is for me. The problem is, it's not just

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 22: with tennis broadcasting. It's a trend to have exports people

1279
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 22: become journalists and interviewers, and there's a real art to interviewing.

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Speaker 22: The best interviewers in the world don't try and be

1281
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 22: funny or what people will make it about themselves, and

1282
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 22: exports people really haven't been trained in the art of

1283
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 22: asking a decent question. So maybe there's a lesson to

1284
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 22: be learned that you don't just have an ex player

1285
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 22: or someone that has been really, really really good on

1286
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 22: the court that might just be a really really good interviewer.

1287
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 22: The art might get someone in there that asks a

1288
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 22: decent question, I think in future, and that's where I

1289
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 22: think the issue is for some of these players, they're

1290
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 22: feeling offended by some of the comments where the ex

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01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 22: players are trying to be funny and colloquial, but in

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Speaker 22: the end, really it just comes down to asking a

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Speaker 22: decent question because where the listeners.

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Speaker 6: We're the viewers.

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 22: We want to hear the responses from the athletes.

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01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: We don't want them offended.

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: We don't want to watch amateur tennis players, so why

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Speaker 4: should we listen to amateur interviewers after a game?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 4: Cricket, the Super Smash is a fantastic product, but not

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01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 4: enough people overseas are watching it and the thought is

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01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 4: to try and get some teams into the Big Bash

1303
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 4: in Australia, which of course we do that with all

1304
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: sorts of sports, whether it's basketball, whether it's football, and

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01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 4: it's been a great success. So should we do that, Eliot,

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely we should.

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Speaker 13: It should be the first thing on New Zealand Cricket's agenda.

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01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 13: The Super Smash is fine for what it is, and

1309
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 13: comparing to the Big Bash is fraught because they're too

1310
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 13: different things. Ones a franchise competition, the others are very

1311
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 13: much a provincial competition. But it's the natural comparison that

1312
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 13: people make and the Big Bash blows the Super Smash

1313
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 13: out of the water. The production values are higher the

1314
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 13: crickets beta that the players are of a higher caliber.

1315
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 13: So it happens across any number of sports. We linked

1316
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 13: with Australia were stronger together. When it comes to sporting competitions,

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 13: I think getting at least one New Zealand team in

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01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 13: there would rise the standard of New Zealand cricket. You

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 13: could still have the Super Smash underneath it as a

1320
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 13: feeder competition into the New Zealand Big Bash team. But

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01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 13: I think the franchise cricket train is continuing and you

1322
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 13: look around the globe, there is four or five going

1323
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 13: on at this point in time. Right now in January,

1324
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 13: You've got to join or you're going to be left

1325
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 13: behind in New Zealand cricket. Need to do it asap.

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01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 4: And Lavina last question for you, should or complay anything

1327
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 4: to get sale DP back.

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 22: Well, twenty five people turn up to watch it and

1329
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 22: it cost a million bucks to run in. Five million

1330
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 22: dollars was injected into the community in the economy, so

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01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 22: that's a really good thing.

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01:03:59,200 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 6: It's a great event.

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01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 22: But I don't know if rate page should really wear

1334
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 22: were the cost or even taxpayers if you think about it.

1335
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 22: I mean, we talk about snow sports being canceled with

1336
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 22: you know the X Games and the Winter Game has

1337
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 22: been canceled in the South Island do we have to

1338
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 22: fork out for that? It might just come down to

1339
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 22: the fact to approach more supporters and corporates to support

1340
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 22: these events. I don't know if the rate page should

1341
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 22: fork out for it, but they're great events and it's

1342
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 22: it's wonderful to watch. I just don't know if we

1343
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 22: can afford to fork out when we've got to pay

1344
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 22: for roads, good, pay for education, pay for health.

1345
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you had a restaurant down and CBD,

1346
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 4: you just go yep, yep, yep, yep, and then yep.

1347
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Speaker 9: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Lavina, and and thank you so much for your

1349
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 4: thoughts today. The sports title on New Stalks HBB.

1350
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: Red or Blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

1351
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: battleground states? The latest on the US election. It's Heather

1352
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected,

1353
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: U Stalk.

1354
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 4: HB, New Talks HIBB. This tennis is pretty hard and

1355
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 4: pretty hot. Four minutes to six. So Shane Jones was

1356
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: on the radio this morning and he was saying, drill, Baby, drill.

1357
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 4: And we know this anyway. We know he's always believed

1358
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 4: in it. He says, his untapped wealth there and why

1359
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: are we cutting our nose off to spite our face,

1360
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. He says something interesting in which

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01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 4: I still don't quite understand. He said, we should be

1362
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 4: able to drill on stewardship land or mine and explore

1363
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 4: on stewardship land, which is land that is under the

1364
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 4: stewardship of the crown. But does that mean conservation land?

1365
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: But I think that's Shane Jones being very clever and

1366
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 4: using good words and certainly making it known to everybody

1367
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 4: that if there's a bit of land that could be

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01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: drilled on or mined on or looked on, we should

1369
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 4: look on it. So let's talk about drill, baby drill

1370
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 4: with Josie Verdaal, who is the chief executive officer of Strettera,

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01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 4: And they're in the in the field. Obviously they want

1372
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 4: to start looking around, poking around for stuff. What sort

1373
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 4: of stuff do they want to poke around? That's coming

1374
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: up afternoons?

1375
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: Well you got together and drill.

1376
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 17: The Dasney please Kesey, When.

1377
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: What's up? What's down?

1378
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: What with a major calls and how will it affect

1379
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: the economy? The Big business Questions on the Business Hour

1380
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens.

1381
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: News talks at me.

1382
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: Wow, that was good timing. Welcome back, loving to have

1383
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 4: you here. The first set is over Australian Open. It's

1384
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,959
Speaker 4: taken us what an hour and fifteen.

1385
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 5: Minutes, and.

1386
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: They're hugging legacy the end of the game. What's happening here?

1387
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 4: What's happening here? Answer? Is Djokovic quitting? Okay, so Severev

1388
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 4: just took out the tie break seven five, and then

1389
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 4: they're just embraced and Djokovic is actually packing up his

1390
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 4: bags and it appears as though he has forfeited and

1391
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: retired from the game while I was talking. While I

1392
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 4: was watching, Sverev look shocked. Sverev shocked as well, you, sir,

1393
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 4: are finally in the final of a major. Congratulations. But

1394
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 4: we'll find out more about what actually happened to Novak.

1395
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 4: But later on it had been a hell of a set.

1396
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 4: It wasn't as though he was physically struggling. But he's

1397
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 4: waving goodbye to the Australian Open crowd as we speak

1398
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 4: and walking off after one set which he lost by

1399
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 4: a milimeter. What a great player, Novak Djokovic. Okay, So look,

1400
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Speaker 4: welcome back to the program. Such excitement news as it

1401
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 4: breaks it is after sex and Imandrew Dickets. So the

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 4: mining sector is welcoming a push for mining to play

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 4: a bigger role in the country's economic growth. Resource Minister

1404
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 4: Shane Jones has hinted at changes to where we can mine,

1405
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: saying we can expect a major announcement next week.

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 3: We need to get over ourselves because if we want

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: the surplus income and the revenue, we should identify which

1408
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 3: areas are really precious to the birthright or qiwis and

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 3: which areas can be used for economic purposes, including mine.

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 4: He mentioned stewardship land. I mentioned before the news what

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Speaker 4: is stewardship land? Is it conservation land? And Texas have

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01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 4: said stewardship land as the land a region has gifted

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 4: to dock. So essentially it's private ratepayers land that is

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Speaker 4: in transition and is being under the stewardship of public entities.

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Speaker 4: But he's saying we should do this, but we'll know

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: more next week. Josey Vidal is the chief executive officer

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Speaker 4: of strat Terra. Now that is the association representing the

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: mining sector, and welcome to the program. Jose thank you

1419
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 4: very much.

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Speaker 19: I'm a little bit thrown by what you just said

1421
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 19: about Jokobit so because I'm a big fan.

1422
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 3: Are we all?

1423
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 4: He's the goat. He's the goat, and there was no

1424
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 4: clue and something that happened. Look, you must be pretty happy,

1425
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 4: not at what happened to Novak, but what has happened

1426
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 4: since Christopher Luxon's State of the Nation speech and what

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01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 4: Shane was saying this morning.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, and Minister Shane Jones has been a real champion

1429
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 19: for the industry. You know, he gets it, he understands it,

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01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 19: and he's listened to us, which is good to have.

1431
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 19: And the Prime Minister is a businessman and pragmatic and

1432
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 19: he understands that mining is a productive part of the

1433
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 19: economy and it can contribute more to economic growth. So

1434
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 19: you know, loosening a bit of the red tape and

1435
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 19: enabling some overseas investment and showing some optimism towards mining

1436
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 19: is going to help with economic growth.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody doesn't understand the fact that mining

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01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 4: can help. It's just that they're quite prepared to forego

1439
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 4: the money because they love our landscape.

1440
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 19: Yeah, and there's a lot of misinformation about what mining

1441
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 19: does and doesn't do. And obviously, you know, we won't

1442
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 19: have time to go into the whole infinance of stewardship land.

1443
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 19: But there's a lot of belief that, you know, somehow

1444
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 19: mine is taking over the conservation of state.

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01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 7: That's not true.

1446
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 19: And there won't be mining in the Pristine National Parks

1447
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 19: or any of the parts of the conservation of state

1448
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 19: that are important to New Zealanders. That just doesn't happening.

1449
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 19: So it's a bit of misinformation around some of that stuff.

1450
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 4: Well, I'm getting it down in the Commander where they

1451
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 4: say the Corimandal Forest Park might be affected, in that

1452
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 4: there are licenses already granted or at least interest licenses

1453
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 4: of interest already granted to Australian companies.

1454
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 19: Yeah, and Minister Jones is doing his big announcement about

1455
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 19: mining next week in why he and there's a reason

1456
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 19: for that because in that Hiraki region mining contributes nineteen

1457
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 19: point three percent towards GDP. People in that area understand

1458
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 19: the value of mining. A lot of them work in mining.

1459
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 19: They see the money from mining going into their communities.

1460
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 19: It doesn't really matter where the companies are owned, because

1461
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 19: a lot of companies owned in New Zealand, not just

1462
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 19: mining companies, by overseas interests. It's the people working in

1463
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 19: those companies. They work in New Zealand. They're not like

1464
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 19: Australian miners. They don't fly and fly out. They live there,

1465
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 19: that kids go to school there, they contribute to the community.

1466
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 19: Minings are really highly paid job and so there's plenty

1467
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 19: of money going into those communities.

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 4: What should we be looking for, you know, should we

1469
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 4: be looking for hydrocarbons or should we be looking for

1470
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 4: precious battles, Should we be looking for coal, Should we

1471
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 4: be looking for rare earth minerals, or should we just

1472
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 4: be looking for anything?

1473
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 19: So we should be looking for what the world wants,

1474
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,959
Speaker 19: and the world does want a lot of the minerals

1475
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 19: that are going into technology and energy, so some of

1476
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 19: the liffy and cobalt, copper, that sort of thing. Also

1477
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 19: the rare earth elements and some of the minerals that

1478
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 19: we do have here, so we're already mining some of them.

1479
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 19: Primarily we mind gold and coal. And it's worth noting

1480
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 19: that gold, the gold price is very very high, and

1481
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 19: in the last year it's gone up over fifteen hundred

1482
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 19: dollars an ounce in New Zealand, and there's a reason

1483
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 19: for that. Because it's money. It's safe money when there's

1484
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 19: chaos in the world. So we have gold, we have,

1485
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 19: and the minister's announcement will be where there's gold mine

1486
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 19: and you know, don't overlook gold is important in the

1487
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 19: mineral's story going forward.

1488
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 4: How does the rest of the world react when a

1489
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 4: government backs our mining industry versus when a government puts

1490
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 4: the kibosh on it?

1491
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 19: Well, this is so fascinating because this is my daily

1492
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 19: bread and I get calls from lawmakers and other countries,

1493
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 19: and I've met with some from other countries as well,

1494
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 19: and also from investor in other countries, and they're very

1495
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 19: excited about the past track legislation. I think we'll see

1496
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 19: some companies some countries follow that. And you know, obviously

1497
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 19: if the government's backing an industry is attractive to investors.

1498
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 19: There is actually a global scale that shows how country's

1499
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 19: policy and laws make mining investments attractible or not. We

1500
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 19: had dropped to the bottom of that scale, but we're

1501
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 19: moving back up at which is really encouraging.

1502
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 4: Well, we can't wait for what's a going to happen

1503
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 4: next week. Joseph Adale from Satira, Chief executive officer. You

1504
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 4: might want to hang on the line and have a

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Speaker 4: listen because I've got some tennis news for you. So okay,

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Speaker 4: well yeah, okay, so here we go.

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Speaker 19: Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 4: It's a pleasure. So Novak Djokovic pulled out after the

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Speaker 4: first test in the Australian Open semi final, so of

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Speaker 4: course the first interview goes to Alexander Severev and here's

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Speaker 4: what he had to say just moments ago.

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Speaker 20: The very first thing I want to say is, please, guys,

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Speaker 20: don't player when he goes out with injury he has

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Speaker 20: I know, I know that everybody paid for tickets and

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 20: everybody wants to see hopefully a Grade five set match

1516
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 20: and everything. But you've got to understand, Novak Djokovich is

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Speaker 20: somebody that has given the sport for the past twenty years,

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Speaker 20: absolutely everything of his life.

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Speaker 6: And he.

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Speaker 20: He he has won this turn with an abdominal tear.

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 20: He has won this turn with a hamstring tear. If

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01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 20: he cannot continue a tennis match, it really means that

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01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 20: he cannot continue a tennis match.

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Speaker 23: So please be.

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Speaker 2: Respectful and.

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Speaker 20: Really really showed some love for Novak as well.

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Speaker 4: What a classy thing to do. Alexander Zverev, who was

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 4: sweating like a pig has been working hard airs. He

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 4: was as shocked as anybody and he knew exactly the

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 4: right thing to say. How I'm classy from the Australian

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 4: and crowd who has booed the goat unbelievable News talks

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01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 4: here be crunching.

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01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 2: The numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News talks at B.

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Speaker 4: It is eighteen minutes after six. This is news talks

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Speaker 4: here B. I'm Andrew Dickins. Let's wrap up the political

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 4: week with Political editor Jason Wolves. Hello, Jace Good, evening.

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Speaker 2: What a week?

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Speaker 15: What a week?

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Speaker 12: I mean, that's somewhat of an understatement. Usually the start

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 12: of the political year, and I hate that phrase, but

1544
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 12: to use it, it usually starts today at Ratna. However,

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01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 12: we've had a whole summon's worth of stories in the

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01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 12: space of a week, and that culminated with or that

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 12: started rather with the demotion of Shane Retti from Health

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 12: Minister and the ascension of Simeon Brown to Health Minister,

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 12: which a lot of people might have been looking at

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01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 12: this and watching and thinking that's a little bit of

1551
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 12: a head scratchy.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 12: Shane Nevathi was seemingly doing okay in that portfolio. He's

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 12: a doctor himself and he just seems very earnest. However,

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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister did essentially conclude that they just needed

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01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 12: somebody with a little bit more political nouse in that role.

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01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 12: So cometh the man, cometh the hour, cometh the man,

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 12: and that's where Simeon Brown fits into this. And Audrey

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 12: Young put it extremely well in a column this week.

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 12: She said that Simeon Brown was a bit of the

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Speaker 12: butt of the jokes of the opposition for a long time.

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01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 12: There was a phrase that they used to all bat

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Speaker 12: around a rare misstep by Simeon Brown, and she said, well,

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Speaker 12: no one's laughing now since he's well and truly proved himself.

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01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 12: But he's got a heck of a job to turn

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Speaker 12: around the health, the whole health sector essentially and really

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01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 12: start making that getting some results there for that and

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 12: making it. You know, Chris Luckson has talked in the

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01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 12: past about how there is enough money in health. There

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01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 12: just needs to be a new focus on how to

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Speaker 12: get health outcomes. So Simeon Brown is the man to

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01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 12: that job. It's a notoriously hard portfolio. I mean I

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 12: think back to the labor years. They had David Clarke

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 12: in there before he was sacked as well. And so

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 12: for anybody to think this is going to be a

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01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 12: walk in the park, even for somebody that's talented politically

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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 12: as Simeon Brown, you might have another thing coming.

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Speaker 4: I think Simon's great strength is that he doesn't complicate issues.

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01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 4: He gets a very simple rep on it and he

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 4: sticks to it, and that often is the best way

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 4: to get to do things, you know. I think Shane

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 4: Letty used to get a little bit confused because he

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 4: looked at too many details. But there we have it.

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Speaker 4: In the week we also had the State of the Nations.

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 4: There was a couple of them and they set off

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Speaker 4: with the Prime Minister's task to grow the economy.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's right. We've had a few people's

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 12: perspective of the state of the nations, and then we've

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Speaker 12: had the opposition responding to the state of the nations.

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01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 12: So nobody should be any sort of everybody should be

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 12: wise on what the state of the nation is. Chrystal,

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Speaker 12: I mean these things you know, of course, the government

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 12: of the day is going to say things are better, but.

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Speaker 7: We will aim to do more.

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Speaker 12: You know, there's a little bit of a sort of

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 12: a spin job, if you will. So the Prime Minister

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01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 12: gets up and says, we need to grow the economy. Well, yes,

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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 12: of course we need to grow the economy. You're not

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01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 12: exactly novel for saying something like that. But what he

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Speaker 12: did do is he laid out a couple of areas

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01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 12: in which he was thinking about progressing this. For example,

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Speaker 12: the big talking point is in mining and saying, you know,

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01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 12: we're not going to open up conservation land, but there

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01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 12: are there is areas in this country where we can

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 12: get into mining to grow the economy and make us

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Speaker 12: all richer. And I think that that's going to resonate

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01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 12: with quite a few people. I mean, yes, conservation mining,

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01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 12: there is a memorandum on that essentially across the political spectrum.

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 12: For the most part, nobody wants to do that, but

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Speaker 12: this unproductive in various other ways. Land that can be

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01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 12: used for mining, of course, have at it is the

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Speaker 12: Prime Minister's essential thrust there. And then we had David

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01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 12: Seymour today talking about and hold on to your hat,

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01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 12: folks more privatization if you can believe it from the

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Speaker 12: leader of the ACT party, and he's had some pretty

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01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 12: interesting ideas here. But the difference is with the Prime

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01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 12: Minister State of the Nation and ACT David Seymour. The

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 12: Prime Minister's one's a lot more official. It's the things

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 12: that they're actually going to do, whereas David Seymour's is

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01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 12: sort of almost like a wish list on things that

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01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 12: you would like to do. Yes, he's pushing for these things,

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01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 12: Yes she would like them to happen, but there's no

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 12: way that the Prime Minister in the government is going

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01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 12: to let what ACT wants to do to the health sector,

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 12: for example, in terms of more privatization actually happened because

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01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 12: they have this little thing called the Coalition Agreement that

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01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 12: they had doing here too. So two very different speeches,

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01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 12: but two very similar styles.

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Speaker 4: I would say thank you so much. Jason Walls, our

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Speaker 4: political editor. And the time is now six twenty two

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01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 4: and now we don't know what happened to Novak Djokovic

1632
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 4: other than he retires, so we will bring those details

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01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 4: when they come to hands. It's news talksb.

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's ridiculous. With

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01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: the business our on newstalks, itb.

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01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 4: Corunting. The tennis number is more like it in six

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 4: twenty five. So no Vak Djokovi has sensationally retired after

1638
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 4: the first set of a semi final against German Alexander Zaverev.

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01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 4: They duked it out for eighty minutes. It was awesome tennis.

1640
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 4: The German clinched the first set and a tie breaker,

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01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 4: and then from out of nowhere Novak. Quite there was

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01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 4: no sign in the retirement was coming. Novak seemingly moving

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01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 4: well through the first set. Shaverev was asked and he

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01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 4: seemed to be injured and he went no, I thought

1645
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 4: it was pretty high level tennis, and it was. Novak

1646
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 4: had his thigh heavily strapped after appearing to heard it

1647
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 4: in the quarterfinals, so there was that, but he didn't

1648
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 4: take any medical timeouts or receive treatment throughout the set.

1649
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: When he did retire, members of the crowd booed him

1650
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 4: as he left the court. John McEnroe said, unbelievable of

1651
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 4: cursing that at the top of his voice. He said,

1652
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 4: that is shocking. He was so close to winning that

1653
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 4: set and yet he pulled out. Others added we thought

1654
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 4: we're looking at a four or five hour cut of epic.

1655
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 4: But Novak turned to the umpire and said I'm done.

1656
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 4: Where was full class and said, don't boo the man,

1657
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 4: he's the goat. And now we wait to find out

1658
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 4: more on what actually happened there. I am looking at

1659
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 4: one blog and log site that said Novak realized he

1660
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 4: was going to lose to Sasha and that Sinner would

1661
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 4: then obliterate him in the final. So thought I've had it,

1662
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 4: I'm out. But I don't think Novak Jocobit is that

1663
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 4: kind of man. I don't think he would do that.

1664
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 4: He would fight to the very very end until there

1665
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 4: was nothing left him, until he was a little puddle

1666
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 4: on the court. He would go hard, hard, hard, But

1667
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 4: not this time. We've had a text from a former

1668
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 4: employee at the show who now works in Australia and

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01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 4: was at the game and it's spent three hundred and

1670
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 4: fifty dollars to get a ticket to be at the

1671
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 4: game to see the greats and she was so excited

1672
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 4: just a few moments ago because she was watching Novak

1673
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: Djokovic and then he pulled out Well.

1674
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 10: That employee has specified that they did not boom.

1675
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: They were not wanting.

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01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 4: Of course, Look can I just say I had a

1677
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 4: cancer battle and Helen had a cancer battle, and to

1678
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 4: reward ourselves. So we went to the Australian Open, and

1679
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 4: I know this is about five years ago, and we

1680
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 4: bought semi final tickets and we were very excited because

1681
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 4: Roger Feeder was going to play. And then we watched

1682
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 4: it and Roger Feedder came out and there was a

1683
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 4: light show and there we were. He was playing some

1684
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 4: Korean guy and wouldn't you know it, the Korean guy

1685
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 4: pulled out after one step because he had bisters on

1686
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: his feet. Nobody boomed.

1687
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1688
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on

1689
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: News Talks EV.

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Speaker 19: You know.

1691
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Speaker 4: Next, thank you for choosing us today and all through

1692
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 4: the week. I've had a great time. I hope you

1693
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 4: have too. It is now twenty four minutes to seven,

1694
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 4: text through settle down Andrew. Not everybody likes tennis, it's true,

1695
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 4: but an awful lot of people do. And this is

1696
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 4: a very big story. Indeed, And in fact, just a

1697
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 4: few moments ago, Novak Yokovic fronted up to the priests.

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01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 23: Well I didn't. I didn't hit the ball since our

1699
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 23: curs match, so until like an hour before before today's match. Yeah,

1700
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 23: I did everything I possibly can to basically manage manage

1701
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 23: the the muscle tear that I had, and yeah, medications

1702
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 23: and I guess the strap and the physio work helped

1703
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 23: to some extent today. But yeah, towards the end of

1704
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 23: that that first said, I just started feeling more and

1705
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 23: more pain and it was yeah, too much too I

1706
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 23: guess to handle for me at the moment. So yeah,

1707
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 23: unfortunate ending, but.

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01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 18: I tried.

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 4: I guess you did. It was a hell of a

1710
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 4: match until it wasn't. It is now twenty three to seven, Dickens.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Asia. Peter Lewis joins us. Hell are Peter, Hello, Andrew.

1712
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 4: Let's go to Donald Trump and China. So how is

1713
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 4: China reacting to the Prison's threat that he might put

1714
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 4: a ten percent tariff on China as early as the

1715
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 4: sun of next month, which is early days away.

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Speaker 21: Very calmly so far, and in fact, they've said very

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Speaker 21: little about it, other than their vice premier, who was

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Speaker 21: speaking at Dabos earlier in the week, was saying that

1719
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 21: there will be no trade, no winners in a trade war,

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Speaker 21: and that was repeated by China's Ministry of Finance. They

1721
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 21: did say they would look after their own interests, but

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01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 21: apart from that, they've really said nothing at all. And

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Speaker 21: I think there's several reasons for that. The first thing

1724
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 21: is actually Donald Trump hasn't put any tariffs on anyone

1725
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 21: just yet. He's threatened to, and clearly we'll have to

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01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 21: see what happens on February the first, and everything could

1727
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 21: change then. But so far these are just threats and

1728
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 21: a lot of people think that maybe this is a

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01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 21: tactic to get countries that come to the negotiating table.

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01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 21: But also there is a feeling that so far China

1731
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 21: is coming out of this quite well. Donald Trump seems

1732
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 21: to be saving the worst of his threats in his

1733
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 21: if elsewhere. If you remember back in the election campaign trail,

1734
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 21: he was talking about sixty percent tariffs on China from

1735
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 21: day one, the first day he was in office. Well,

1736
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 21: so far all is talked about is ten percent, and

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01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 21: they're still not there yet. And this is less also

1738
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 21: than the twenty five percent is threatening Canada and Mexico wins.

1739
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 21: So there is a feeling that he's backtracking a little

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01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 21: on China. He doesn't really want a trade war, and

1741
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 21: he would rather find a way in which he could

1742
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 21: do a deal, and the only way. The numbers we

1743
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 21: are talking about here are not huge. China's trade surplus

1744
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 21: with the US last year was about three hundred sixty

1745
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 21: billion dollars. Now, even if Donald Trump imposed ten percent

1746
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 21: tarots on that, and even if you assume China responded

1747
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 21: in kind, Chinese GDP over the four years will be

1748
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 21: about one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars less. So

1749
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 21: that's thirty two billion dollars a year. When you take

1750
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 21: into account that China's economy is about eighteen trillion dollars,

1751
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 21: you're only talking about a loss of zero point two

1752
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 21: percent of GDP. So these numbers aren't enough really to

1753
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 21: get China excited, and they're not likely to make a

1754
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 21: huge difference even if they were to come to pass.

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Speaker 4: And of course the tariffs will be paid by Americans

1756
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 4: for who will have to pay a higher price for

1757
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 4: their products as opposed to China actually having to pay it.

1758
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 4: But I did actually talk to a Republican strategist during

1759
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 4: the week who said the thing about Donald Trump You've

1760
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 4: got to remember is that he's a businessman, and when

1761
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 4: it comes to negotiations, he starts high, but he often

1762
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 4: ends out low or even sometimes no, we're it all.

1763
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 4: So you're quite right. It's the opening salvo, and well

1764
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 4: done to China for keeping calm so far. But meanwhile,

1765
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 4: in the battle between China and America, we've got the

1766
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 4: whole issue of TikTok. So where are we at with that?

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Speaker 21: Well, this is interesting because TikTok and now appears to

1768
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 21: be key to doing some sort of trade deal. As

1769
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 21: we know, they've been given us a seventy five day

1770
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 21: reprieve from having the law which would have forced them,

1771
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 21: basically forced Bike Dance the Chinese owner of TikTok to

1772
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 21: divest it and either sell it to an American owner

1773
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 21: or be banned. Now sort of, Trump is of the

1774
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 21: view that somehow America has ownership of this or should

1775
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 21: have ownership of it. He talks about a permit that

1776
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 21: in effect, Bike Dance needs a permit to operate in

1777
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:55,959
Speaker 21: the US. Without that permit, TikTok is worthless, and therefore

1778
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 21: the US should have fifty percent of Dance. Now, it's

1779
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 21: an odd way of thinking because of course, you could

1780
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 21: argue that's true of every single company that operates in

1781
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 21: the US. They need ultimately government permission to do so.

1782
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 21: But nevertheless, he seems to feel that there is an

1783
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 21: ownership issue here, and that for Chinese media companies to

1784
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 21: be able to operate in the US they need to

1785
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 21: be able to have some sort of deal with the

1786
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 21: US government. Now, of course, you could say, well, China

1787
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 21: would never allow this in reverse, they would never allow,

1788
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 21: for example, Google under complete American ownership to operate in China,

1789
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 21: and it doesn't indeed. But nevertheless, maybe there is a

1790
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 21: deal that could be done here that encompasses a number

1791
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 21: of things together. It could resolve the TikTok issue. And

1792
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 21: China seems that even there has softened its approach. It's

1793
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 21: always in the past said it would never allow TikTok

1794
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 21: to be sold. It's now saying that this is a

1795
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 21: matter for the company and it should be left basically

1796
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 21: as a business decision. So the deal could perhaps involve TikTok,

1797
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 21: it could include tariffs, it could include export controls, and

1798
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 21: maybe even in some sort of dream scenario for Beijing,

1799
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 21: even US policy towards Taiwan and the South China Sea

1800
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 21: could be thrown into this all encompassing deal that Donald

1801
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 21: Trump does with China.

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01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 4: And here's the thing who might buy it?

1803
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 21: Well, that's interesting. He's mentioned before Elon Musk. Elon Musk

1804
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 21: is a little bit peeved at the moment because he's

1805
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 21: already started to complain about the fact that x Twitter

1806
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 21: isn't allowed to operate in China and therefore there isn't

1807
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 21: a level playing field now. In the past, he's always

1808
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 21: been very very careful about criticizing China, so this is

1809
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 21: quite unusual for him. And nevertheless, he is a supporter

1810
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 21: of Donald Trump. Oracle has been mentioned. Larry Ellison is

1811
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 21: also a supporter of Donald Trump. But there potentially could

1812
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 21: be several companies certainly big enough to be able to

1813
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 21: strike a deal and would have the money to do this.

1814
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 21: And TikTok is a very valuable asset. It's valued at

1815
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 21: maybe something like thirty billion dollars. It's got one hundred

1816
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 21: and thirty million US users, So certainly there should be

1817
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 21: companies that, if they were allowed to, if China agreed,

1818
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 21: could do a deal there.

1819
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 4: It's also got an awful lot of American content creators

1820
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 4: who make an awful lot of money from it and

1821
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 4: awfully peeved about the fact that they might have their

1822
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 4: income cut. So we wait to look at that. And finally,

1823
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 4: Donald Trump and Jesionping as she had a chat on

1824
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 4: the phone this week.

1825
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 21: And do we know what they talked about, Well, they

1826
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 21: say in their readouts that they spoke about a lot

1827
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 21: of issues. They did talk about TikTok, they talked about trade,

1828
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 21: they talked about fentanel, which is the reason why Donald

1829
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 21: Trump is imposing these ten percent tariffs on China in

1830
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 21: the first place. And again there there's reason to be

1831
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 21: optimist stick because the readout from both sides was quite positive.

1832
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 19: On this call.

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01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 21: President G said that you know, they can work together.

1834
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 21: He wants to do everything possible to wait and make

1835
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 21: the world peaceful and safe that he can work with

1836
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 21: President G on that. President G said after the call

1837
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 21: that they both hoped for greater progress on US China relations,

1838
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 21: and Chinese State TV also painted a positive picture of

1839
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 21: the call. The one red line really and the one

1840
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 21: warning that was made was that the US has really

1841
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 21: got to take the Taiwan question with prudence. That's what

1842
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 21: Genwil News agency said there. So clearly China is laying

1843
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 21: out where its red lines are. But all the vibes

1844
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 21: from that call tend to suggest the gain that there's

1845
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 21: a bit of a thawing of relations. It's not as

1846
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 21: bad nowhere near as bad as maybe people feared during

1847
01:31:55,960 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 21: the election campaign. And perhaps they're moving slowly through all

1848
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 21: sorts of back discussions, which for sure will be going

1849
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 21: on now towards some sort of deal.

1850
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 4: That is a very good point. People get very energized

1851
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 4: and exercise about Donald Trump, and many of their worst

1852
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 4: fears never come to pass. So Peter Lewis from the Asia,

1853
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 4: I thank you so much for your time today is

1854
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 4: accorded to seven. One final word on tennis, and then

1855
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 4: I'll shut up about tennis completely. And the other match

1856
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 4: happening not on Rod Labor but on another court. New

1857
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 4: Zealander Aaron Rautliffe is competing in the women's doubles semi final. Surprisingly,

1858
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 4: her and her partner lost the first set when they

1859
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 4: were ahead of break, but they lost that one, but

1860
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 4: they've won the second six three, and the third is

1861
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 4: underway and this is news talks here b In a moment,

1862
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 4: we're off to Europe. Gale Downey is.

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01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: With US, everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The

1864
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Andrew Dickins on News Talks V.

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01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 4: It is now twelve minutes to seven. Good texts from Lionel,

1866
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,839
Speaker 4: who points out Andrew in nineteen forty USA ago Japan,

1867
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,560
Speaker 4: end of nineteen forty one. We hear Pearl Harbor and

1868
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 4: that's right when you poke the beer. The beer bites Beck.

1869
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 4: It is living to seven. Gal Downey joins us now

1870
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 4: from the UK.

1871
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 2: How are go?

1872
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 4: Hello, Hi there, You've got a pretty bad storm hitting you.

1873
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 24: Oh yes, it's life threatening storm. It's red warnings which

1874
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 24: are the most serious, and it's hitting the UK with

1875
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 24: millions of people being urged stay at home. The hardest

1876
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 24: hit places are going to be Northern Ireland and parts

1877
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 24: of Scotland. And as to say, it's red warnings that

1878
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 24: have been issued which means a danger to life from

1879
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 24: winds gusting up to one hundred miles an hour, So

1880
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 24: schools in Northern Ireland are going to be closed, bus

1881
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 24: services canceled, Belfast International Airport is warning of significant disruption,

1882
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 24: and the supermarket Tesco has said it's closing its stores

1883
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 24: today and all home deliveries will be canceled the Irish

1884
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 24: in the Irish Republic, they are ext did have what's

1885
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 24: going to be the worst storm of the century, so

1886
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 24: all ferry operators across the Irish Sea have been canceled

1887
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 24: and obviously Dublin Airport has been affected as well well.

1888
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 4: Okay, now, speaking of supermarkets, Sainsbury's is cutting three thousand jobs.

1889
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 4: So what's the story then.

1890
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,839
Speaker 24: Well, it's cutting the jobs, is also closing its cafes,

1891
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 24: pertisseries and pizza counters. And what it's saying is, look, look,

1892
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 24: we want to simply find the business. We're going to

1893
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 24: make a twenty percent reduction in senior management roles with

1894
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 24: the job losses as well as the closure of the

1895
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 24: cafes and say cafes, per tisseries and pizza counter because

1896
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 24: of a particularly challenging cost environment. Now, this is a

1897
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 24: second batch of job losses at Sainsbury's. Last year it

1898
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 24: announced fifteen hundred jobs will go It recently, however, announced

1899
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 24: annual profits expected to be in excess of one billion pounds.

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01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 6: Unions say the business should be a shame for cutting

1901
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 6: jobs while making millions of pounds in profits, and industry

1902
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 6: experts believe this will be the first of many cuts

1903
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 6: as retailers deal with increased costs as a result of

1904
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 6: tax increases.

1905
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 4: It's hard times. It's hard times all over the world.

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01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 4: We have similar complaints about our supermarkets here. But when

1907
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 4: you're talking about margins and when you're talking about costs

1908
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 4: as large as supermarket operators, a million pounds is nothing, really,

1909
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 4: it's not actually a huge profit at all. So you

1910
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 4: need to really get through I get that. Let's do

1911
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 4: some real estate news because Adele, the singer who's you know,

1912
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 4: earned a bit of a slowdown right now having done

1913
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 4: some incredible concerts. But Adele has been accused of sabotaging

1914
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 4: the sale of a house.

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01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:47,799
Speaker 24: How now, this all has come about in a planning

1916
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 24: application put forward to the local council by the owner

1917
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 24: of the property.

1918
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 6: So she rented this property for.

1919
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 24: About six months and while she was there, she didn't

1920
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 24: interview on TV. This is back in twenty twelve, and

1921
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 24: in the interview she said, actually the property is a

1922
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 24: bit scary. Really, it's all quite scary. I'm not rattling

1923
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 24: around here on my own.

1924
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 6: It gives me the creeps, is.

1925
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 24: What she said about it. So in the submission to

1926
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 24: the planning authority. The owner wants to convert it into

1927
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 24: instead of just one big mansion, wants to convert it

1928
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 24: into three units and a separate cottage.

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Speaker 6: And he says the reason is is.

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Speaker 24: Because the comment by that Adele negatively impacted future marketing

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Speaker 24: efforts and continues to affect the property's reputation to this day.

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Speaker 24: He said, after fourteen years he's only ever had one

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Speaker 24: prospective buyer who pulled out after hearing about its haunted status,

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Speaker 24: although she never actually used the word haunted.

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Speaker 8: No, no, anything.

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Speaker 4: There are some people. I don't know this because you

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Speaker 4: like the Gothic in England, and there'll be some people

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Speaker 4: who go, woar a house that haunted Adele? I want

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Speaker 4: a piece of at.

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Speaker 6: Do you think you bought the price that it could be?

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Speaker 4: It could do all right? And I thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: And that is Gale down here, who is reporting out

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Speaker 4: of the UK. Of course, the big story out of

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Speaker 4: the UK was the sentencing of the stockpork killer, the

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift stabber, and I was reading about that today.

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Speaker 4: My god, that man was a psychopath and the injuries

1947
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Speaker 4: he inflicted on kids was shocking, so shocking in fact

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Speaker 4: that the Guardian and other newspapers chose not to even

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Speaker 4: report them, and the victim impact statements are horrific. So

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Speaker 4: the man can't be given a full time life and sentence,

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Speaker 4: but he's been given a fifty two year life sentence.

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Speaker 4: And I know that there are many people who have

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Speaker 4: actually said, many reasonable people have actually said, if ever

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Speaker 4: there was anyone in the UK who deserved the death penalty,

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Speaker 4: it was this person. There's a lot of other people,

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Speaker 4: of course, also talking about his radicalization by ISIS. He

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Speaker 4: was reading their books, he made some ricin etc. He

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Speaker 4: used techniques and stabbing that had been informed by the terrorists.

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Speaker 4: But I actually think this person is extraordinarily unhinged, a

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Speaker 4: psychopath of the worst order. Just a horrible story. It

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Speaker 4: is six minutes to seven News Talks f B.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all

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Speaker 4: News TALKSB in Rostering News. Monday is an anniversary day

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Speaker 4: for Auckland, so Ryan will do the Breakfast show. I

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Speaker 4: will be back for the Drive Show after that. Mike

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Speaker 4: Hosking is back on Tuesday. I'm going to move to

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Speaker 4: early edition and Ryan moves to drive. But then the

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Speaker 4: next week is white tagging week, and Micha will be

1972
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Speaker 4: exhausted after eight whole days of working, so he's taking

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Speaker 4: them Friday Bridge. So on Friday week, I'll do the

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Speaker 4: breakfast show and then and everything will be kind of

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Speaker 4: normal until Heather comes back from having a baby. Man,

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Speaker 4: So what are we going to play out?

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Speaker 10: This is brand spanking new Andrew just out today, Not

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Speaker 10: Your Man by Teddy Swims. Teddy Swims has been getting

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Speaker 10: hits all the way through last year with the Door

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Speaker 10: and the other one that I've forgotten the name of

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Speaker 10: right now helped me out in beg hit anyway. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 10: so this is the His released a new album today.

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Speaker 10: Actually it's a it's a part two to his first album.

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Speaker 10: They both called I've Tried Everything But Therapy, but this

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Speaker 10: one's called I've Tried Everything but Therapy Part two and

1986
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Speaker 10: this particular song is called not Your Man, and I

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Speaker 10: think it's going to be a hit. I think this

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Speaker 10: one's going to hit the top ten as well.

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Speaker 4: Dowsey World of Grave. Next, he's got Dave Worsley Live

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Speaker 4: from The Australian Open to talk about what the hell happened.

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Speaker 4: I'm Andrew. I hope you enjoyed your week. I loved it. Hey,

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Speaker 4: great time. See you Monday. Thanks to producer Laura and

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Speaker 4: ant Oh and Kenzie.

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