1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: He's changed days. Prime Minster Chrystopher Luxein is with us. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Very good morning, Good morning, Mike, how are you very well? Indeed, 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: one of the reasons your office told us you wanted 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: to change days is so you could turn up more 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: often in the studio, and yet on day one, where 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: are you. 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: No, that's the intention. So I do want to try 8 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: and get into the studio and do more of media 9 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: in Auckland and studio with you. What a great way 10 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: to start the week seeing your lovely smiling face. 11 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed I agree with that. Also, that was suggested 12 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: from your office that you wanted to take all my 13 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: good ideas directly to cabinet. Is that true. 14 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: At the de facto leader of the opposition. No, No, 15 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: we don't need that. We've got a good cabinet process. 16 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: But I do actually thought that just I'm trying to 17 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: make its work schedule wise, I think it's great if 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: I can get in to see you a bit more orgically, 19 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: and trying to do it on a Monday is the 20 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: better way to go about it. 21 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Okay, is today fairy day? 22 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: Today is fairies Day? Yep. Winston will have more to 23 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: say about that this afternoon and talk about what our 24 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: plans are there. Yep. 25 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Have you seen what I mean clearly you have. Are 26 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: you pleased with what he's drawn up? 27 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I think he's got to a really good position. 28 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: So I don't want to preempt any of that, and 29 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: I know you'll try and get it out of me, 30 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: but the reality is I want him to be able 31 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: to announce that really cleanly and be able to give 32 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: and share what he's thinking about how to take it forward. 33 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: Does it solve our problem? 34 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it does, yes, And as I said, the original 35 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: proposal solved the problem, and we're very comfortable with where 36 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: we were at, and he's got to the end of 37 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: today to make sure that he can deliver something better 38 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: or deliver that proposal so. 39 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: He could do in three months what Nikola Willis couldn't 40 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: do in a whole year. 41 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we got to a really good position. 42 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: We're very comfortable with the proposal that we announced at 43 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: the end of last year. But we also have a 44 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: window of time, as I said, because we don't need 45 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: the new Fairies for a while, and there's plenty of 46 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: time in the process for him to look at alternative 47 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: options and to really go deep and explore it even further, 48 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: so you know, let's see what he says later on two. 49 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Well, you've just sort of given it away. So what 50 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: we don't have today is a defenditor answer to the 51 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: question there are more options to be explored with more time. 52 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: Is that what he's announcing. I thought he was announcing 53 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: two or three ships from company X for why number 54 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: of dollars arriving on w day. 55 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really sorry, Mike, but you're just going to 56 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: have to wait until this afternoon when he comes out 57 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 2: and announces the plan. 58 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: All right, Well, if that's the case and we're looking 59 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: for more time and more explora exploration, what's the more 60 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: disappointing announcement the fairy announcement still to come this afternoon, 61 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: or yesterday's supermarket announcement which achieved yet again nothing. No, 62 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: I disagree. 63 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: I think we're doing everything we can as a government 64 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: to make sure there is more competition in that supermarket sector, 65 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: to make sure that kiwis aren't paying too much, and 66 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: we should be exhausting all the options available to us. 67 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: And that's what Nicholas announced. 68 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: Why couldn't she pick up the phone and go what's 69 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: stopping you coming into the country instead of doing this 70 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: six week thing, why didn't she ring eldie and go hey, 71 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: why aren't you in the country and what can we 72 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: do well? 73 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: I imagine that will be part of the consultation for 74 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: that six week period. But to make sure that we 75 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: are doing we are exhausting all the options available to 76 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: us to see whether there's anything more we could be doing, 77 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: to encourage a third entrant, talk to a bunch of 78 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: players across the sector and make sure we've captured everybody 79 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: with their different views on it. I think six weeks 80 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: isn't unreasonable to actually say, right, we want a comprehensive 81 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: piece of work. Maybe other governments in the past haven't 82 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: actually thought about things or being prepared to go as 83 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: deep as what we're plot proposing, But I think it's 84 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: a good thing. 85 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: But when you say as deep as what you're proposing, 86 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: what is it you're proposing short of the broad idea 87 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: that somebody else comes into the country, you've spent a 88 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: whole year and a half on this and achieve literally nothing, 89 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: What is it you know, literally proposing that will actually 90 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: literally have a supermarket open in this country. 91 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: Two things I want to make sure that we have 92 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: done everything we can to understand if there's anything more 93 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: we can get right in encouraging a third entrant into 94 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: the marketplace. That is not easy, I get it. But 95 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: the second thing is what are the structural options that 96 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: are available to us today in the current market to 97 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: see that we can improve competition as well. Those are 98 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: two really substantive pieces of work. They're important pieces of work. 99 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: We're not going to die wondering whether was more for 100 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: us to do to get Killy's a better deal at 101 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: the supermarket. 102 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: That's agent. 103 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: So why would this last year, Well, we had a 104 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: situation where the actions of the previous government they put 105 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: in place a commissioner Code of conduct some other stuff 106 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: that was reviewed at the end of last year and 107 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: found not to have worked or been cofficient. And that's 108 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: why we're going further now, right. 109 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I can't work out is you don't 110 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: need you six weeks you hit the phones and go 111 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: why aren't you here? Ring the warehouse, ring anybody, ring, costco, ring, 112 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: LD ring, just to wring them up and just go, 113 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: what's what's the problem. Let me let me bulk you out. 114 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: And that's what we'll be doing as part of that 115 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: formal six week process. So these plans contact. You don't 116 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: need a formal six week process. You don't need a 117 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: speech on a Sunday morning. What you need is a 118 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: phone call to a couple of people and go, what's 119 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: the problem. Then if there is a problem you can solve, 120 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: just get on and do it well, whether you're doing 121 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 2: individual phone calls or whether you do it in a 122 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: formalized process over a six week window. I don't think 123 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: that's too much to ask, and I think all those 124 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: major players will be talked to. And importantly, what this 125 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: is about is just making sure that we have done 126 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: everything we possibly can, and we've talked about it for years, 127 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: and we've got to make sure with these two actions 128 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: that actually we've got all the options that we've got. 129 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: We're up for anything and everything to improve competition. 130 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: She gave herself away and talking about twenty four billion 131 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: dollar industry, which is more than tourism and derry put together, 132 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: she seem not to connect the dots that if this 133 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: market is so big, so valuable, someone would have actually 134 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: jumped in. Is it not possible that we are about 135 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: where we are because we're a tiny notion at the 136 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: bottom of the world and it's two big players plus 137 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of small ones and that's our lot. 138 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think the point is it's a fair challenge 139 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: you make, which is that it's a profitable sector and 140 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: if actually, if it truly was competitive, you would have 141 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: actually had a big player come in. That's the other 142 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: way to look at it. And I think the key 143 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: thing for us is making sure the settings are as 144 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: competitive as they possibly can be, because clearly the market 145 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: isn't working to attract overseas entrance into it. And I 146 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: get it, that's a big, big you know, it's a 147 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 2: big investment for an overseas player or a local player 148 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: to step up into a national network of of supermarkets. 149 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: But if that's the point is, we want to make 150 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: sure that there's any any regulatory barriers, obstacles, anything that's 151 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: getting in the way, that's that's not letting that investment 152 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: come through. We want to remove. 153 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: What about the argument that David Seymour makes, and I've 154 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: got some time for it. What message do you send 155 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: the world that you're a government who, upon looking at it, 156 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: might go tell you what, we think you make a 157 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: bit much money will just bust you open. 158 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: No, this is actually about a market that actually isn't 159 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: as competitive as it can be. The subsequently, but according 160 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: to who, well, according to we've seen the Commerce Commission 161 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: come through, We've seen you know, there's been a number 162 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: of reviews in the past about all of this or 163 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: aspects of this sector. And so the bottom line is 164 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: where markets are failing or are not working. So you 165 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: think the market we've seen, well, we want to make 166 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: sure that we've done everything we can to remove any 167 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: impediments obstacles to getting more competition in the sector. Why 168 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you exhaust every option 169 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: available to you? Why would you buy wonder? 170 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: There was three yesterday? We will break you up? Now 171 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: what message does that see the rest of the world 172 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: in any business area, especially when you're looking for money, 173 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: that the day that Christoph Luxen wakes up one morning 174 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: and decides he doesn't like the industry anymore, will threaten 175 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: to break you up. 176 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: No, there's been international investors that have been coming at 177 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: our infrastructure summit. You want to know that they're entering 178 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: a competitive market, that they actually got a really fair 179 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: deal and they've actually got an equal opportunity to be 180 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: able to compete strongly against a competitor locally, right, that's 181 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: completely reasonable. That's what they should be expecting. Here. We've 182 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: got some structural challenges that obviously we haven't been able 183 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: to get a third intrant in. Obviously we've got to 184 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: a duopoly where actually prices that quis are paying are 185 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: high and we should be exhausting everything we can. Now 186 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: that's hard. 187 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: Look when challenges I can't short of the early on 188 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: in the piece, there was the land holding thing and 189 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: they grabbed some land and they held it and they 190 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: prevented other people getting into the market. I got that 191 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: that was reprehensible, but that's been solved. I can't see 192 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: any structural challenges to somebody with the checkbook to come 193 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: in if they wanted to and take ten percent of 194 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: the market. I don't know what that structural challenges and 195 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't think you do either, do you. 196 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's why we're doing the review in six weeks 197 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: to find out exactly if you're sitting in the perspective 198 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: of international entrance or even local entrants that want to 199 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: scale up to become national providers. We want to understand 200 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: from their point of view what they are experiencing and 201 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: what are the obstacles for stopping them from being able 202 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: to actually set up a network in that way. The 203 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: second thing is we do want to understand what structural 204 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: options we could possibly implement to make that market more 205 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: more competitive. And it may well mean you look at 206 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: vertical or horizontal integration issues and some more structural reform 207 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: around that. But always saying is look, this is a 208 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: market that actually needs to be more competitive, needs to 209 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: have more innovation in it, and keywis need to get 210 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: better prices. 211 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Why did you buy planes you couldn't service for the 212 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: air force? 213 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: And what are you talking about? Which planes? 214 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: The Poseidon planes, the P eights We can't service them. 215 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: We send them to Australia. Why would you buy planes 216 00:08:59,400 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: you can't service? 217 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: Oh, that's quite normal. There's often expertise on the ground 218 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: for engine maintenance and repairs an aircraft maintenance, that's quite normal. 219 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: You know in New Zealand will see aircraft off to 220 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: Singapore for example if it needs to have heavy maintenance. 221 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Other that'd be good of getting the expertise to do that. 222 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: We'd have jobs on shore, we'd have the business on shore, 223 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: we'd look after our own planes. 224 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: Sure, but we've got four p eights and we've got 225 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: a fleet of them sitting in the Australian Air Force. 226 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 2: They're exactly the same as ours. We want to be 227 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: interoperable with Australia. We want to have as much, you know, 228 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: an ANZAC force essentially between the two countries, so many 229 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: you know, they sometimes use different parts. They use our 230 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: aircraft and sometimes for their operations we use theirs. This 231 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: is I think very pragmatic, very sensible sort of way 232 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: to go. 233 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: All right, appreciate time, see you next month. They appreciate it, 234 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Christoph Lux and the Prime Minister. For more from the 235 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to News Talks. 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