1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Now, Hey Barry, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: good afternoon. So the hekoi has everybody dispersed peacefully and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: it's just grounds back to normal. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Well, I were quite shrewd really because Whitangi Park they've 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: all gone to now so there was another venue for 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: them to go to. And Parliament essentially has been cleared 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: of the protesters and that's a good thing. Although I've 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: got to say I thought the protest has given protests 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: here in the past. They were pretty well behaved. I 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: had to meander my way through the crowd to get 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: into the building, and you know, they were very polite 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: when I was got slapt in the face a bit 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: by the Maori flags and the Wellington wind but that 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: was about as bad as it got. Interestingly, inside the house, 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: the Speaker and I think it was the right thing 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: to do. He cleared the public galleries. He wouldn't allow 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: anybody to come in and witness what was going on 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: on the debating floor, and that's a good thing considering 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: what happened last week to that end. Here the three 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: Maldi MPs, they've been complained about no surprizes for guessing 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: who they are it's witt of course Packer and the 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: young twenty two year old who ripped up the Treaty bill. 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: It was interesting that MIGHTP. Clark. She gave an interview 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: today that I was reading and she said that she 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: wasn't the one that was meant to rip up the bill. 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: But I've been planning this protest for the past year, 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: which I found rather interesting. But the Standing Orders Committee 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: and this has been in house, but they will look 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: at the rules surrounding the behavior in Parliament. Now. The 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,279 Speaker 2: difficulty is what can you do with people who breach 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: the current rule? Slap them on a wrist with a 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: wet bus ticket. That's about all they can do. But 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: they would like to be able to do more. But 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: it's difficult, isn't it? 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Yes, it is, And I mean, so what is it 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: that they suggested Because at the moment Hannah raftsi might 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Clark has been docked what twenty four hour's worth of 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: pay and suspended for twenty four hours? What else can 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: you do? 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: Well, not a hell of a lot, because you know, 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: when you've got a democracy, you know you've got to 42 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: allow people to speak, but not behave in the way 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: they did. But how do you prevent that, and that's 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: the difficulty. Shane Jones, he said he would like to 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: see a deterrent factor, and I think we'd all like 46 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: to see that, because I've never seen anything like I 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: saw last week in Parliament. But how do you deter them? 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: It's not that easy, No, not at all. 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Now the public are going to have a say 50 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: on the bill yet? 51 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well now, of course the bill goes to the 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: Justice Select Committee and that was in fact open today, 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: so public submissions for the next six months will be heard. Now. 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: David Seymour, he said that's a great thing. Have I 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: listened to him in the House this afternoon. 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: The Justice Select Committee is now seeking public submissions from 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: all New Zealanders on their views on the bill. This 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: is the first time in our history of mister Speaker, 59 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: that all New Zealanders have been offered an equal chance 60 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: to have a say on what our constitutional future means 61 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: under the Treaty of White Tonguey. And I'd encourage people 62 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: to get along to the Justice Committee website and have 63 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: their voice heard. 64 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: So I might not have got as referendum, Heather, but 65 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: at least the public if they want to, can now 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: have a say, and let's hope it's a bit orderly 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: considering what we've seen in the past. 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: Marry tell me something. 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: Read the he called today it felt like weirdly And 70 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: it's weird to say this because thirty five thousand people 71 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: turning up at the grounds of Parliament is actually a 72 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: pretty successful thing. But it felt weirdly like a fizzer regardless, 73 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: and that I think is because thirty five thousand people 74 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: had turned up for the Dunedin protest over the hospital, right, 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: and if you can draw thirty five thousand people from 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: the bottom of the country, it kind of it makes 77 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: you wonder why you can't draw a bigger crowd from 78 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: across the country for an issue as contentious as this, right, 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: with all of this media attention. But it's also I 80 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 4: suppose because the hacker was the main event that happened 81 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: last Thursday. 82 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: But what was your feeling, I mean, how's it been 83 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: received in Parliament? 84 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, you've got to remember that this was a political protest. 85 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: It was organized by the Maldi party, so you know, 86 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: to get that number along was not a bad effort. 87 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: But around Parliament it was interesting sitting in the gallery 88 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: as I did this afternoon watching question time. It was 89 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: a quiet affair because, as I said earlier, the galleries 90 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: were empty. Yeah, and so it was a very orderly 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: Parliament this afternoon. And you know, I thought that's exactly 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: what should have happened, that you had the separation out 93 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: the front to the parliament inside the debating Chairman. It's 94 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: a pity that you couldn't have seen that orderly conduct 95 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: last week. 96 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: Very thanks, very much, Very Soper, Senior Political Corresponding. It 97 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: feels like the wind's been kind of knocked out of it. 98 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: Ah For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: to news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 100 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.