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Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the inside. Ryan Bridge you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's furniture beds and a play at store news Dogs.

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Speaker 2: It'd be good morning. Great to have your company this Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: It is the twenty seventh of August. A lot to

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Speaker 2: get through this morning. I'm actually a little angry this morning.

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Speaker 2: I've got to be in my bonnet about our energy

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Speaker 2: crisis crunch, whatever you want to call it. We'll get

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Speaker 2: out of the ground here in New Zealand. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: to the oil and gas industry in just a few

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Speaker 2: minutes about that. Also, Uber, you would have seen this

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Speaker 2: they have been declared employees not contractors. What does that

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Speaker 2: mean for your Uber rates? And we've got Leslie Yeomans

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Speaker 2: in Australia this morning.

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Speaker 1: The agenda.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, the twenty seventh of August. Six people

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Speaker 2: have died in Ukraine following more Russian strikes in fifteen

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Speaker 2: Ukraine sees more than one hundred drones and one hundred

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Speaker 2: missiles have been fired, many cities reporting power and water outages.

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Speaker 2: Russia saying they are targeting quite specifically the infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: The strikes were a complex mix of drones, cruise and

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Speaker 3: impart overwhelm Ukraine's air defensive systems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, more on that why they did that. In a second,

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Speaker 2: an apartment building in East London with known fire safety

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Speaker 2: issues has been engulfed in flames. One hundred people were

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Speaker 2: evacuated from the building, which two hospitalized. Forty five fire appliances.

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Speaker 2: Over two hundred firefighters worked on the blaze. A contractor

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Speaker 2: was being replaced when the fire started. Back home and

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Speaker 2: Luxeon remember beating his chest at the mayors last week?

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Speaker 2: Were the Taxpayers Union has asked those local officials for

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Speaker 2: reaction to what Luxon had to say, and isn't all negative.

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Speaker 2: There's a fifty to fifty split between those who support

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Speaker 2: an oppose cabinet's decision to look at options to limit

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Speaker 2: council spending on the nice to haves.

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Speaker 4: But what these results show is that actually there's.

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Speaker 5: Approximately half the councilors across the country actually agree with

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Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio early edition with

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and

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Speaker 2: Talks, that'd be yeah, And the counselors some of them,

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Speaker 2: and the mayors some of them looked petty and petulant

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Speaker 2: and childish, didn't they. Oh, you can't come in here

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Speaker 2: and tell us what to do. Yes, he can, and

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Speaker 2: just very quickly. On Ukraine, they are now calling. The

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Speaker 2: them permission to use long range weapons into Russia. Obviously

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Speaker 2: they've made an incursion into Russia, but they aren't able

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Speaker 2: to use long range missiles to go into further afield.

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Speaker 2: And it's France, it's Britain, it's the US who are

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Speaker 2: and this is Putin saying, This is Putin saying to

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Speaker 2: up to five. Also, oil and gass. Watching that closely

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge new for twenty twenty four on early edition

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Speaker 1: with Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and a play

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Speaker 2: Zidby'd love to hear your views this morning. Nine two

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Speaker 4: When there was talk of Lake Onslow sitting there at

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Speaker 2: As a consequence, he says he's agnostic as to whether

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Speaker 2: is John Carnegie, Energy Resources Our teed Archief executive. John.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Ryan, Good to have you on

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Speaker 2: the show. So do we import it or do we

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, as the Prime Minister has said, we're

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Speaker 2: Why aren't we tapping it? Is it stuff that we

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Speaker 5: Oh. Look, we've had a range of policies from previous

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Speaker 2: the Nats are saying that because we could have a

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Speaker 5: Right, Well, the Minister for Resources has been looking and

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Speaker 5: massive sovereign risk that the sector faces. But I guess,

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Speaker 2: Just coming back to that sovereign risk issue. They've ruled

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be interesting to keep us up to

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Speaker 2: What they're not doing is coming on this show this morning.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said B twenty one after five. It is

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Speaker 2: landmark appeal after the Employment Court rule that four Uber

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Speaker 2: now set to yet holiday pay, sick leave, and the

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Speaker 2: right to unionize. The ride share company has since announced

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Speaker 6: Good morning, morning mine.

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Speaker 2: How are you very well? Thank you? Is this going

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Speaker 6: In a word, yes, because essentially, although the decision here

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Speaker 6: So just about every other Uber driver unless they're on

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Speaker 2: So this is a process that's underway, which means Uber

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's for Uber to work through in terms

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Speaker 2: Can't they? Aren't they different because they can essentially cheat

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's one of the things that was called of

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, good point, Alis to thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Als to esp employment lawyer, So I think I think

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Speaker 2: But if that pushes the costs back up, and will

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Speaker 1: Talks it be twenty.

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Speaker 2: Seven minutes after five hundreds of decent, hard working key

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Speaker 2: the balance today. Electros spot prices peaking at one thousand

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Speaker 2: are our leaders in this crisis? Well, just Cinda's in

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Speaker 2: five forty five am this morning. Don't know why. No

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Speaker 2: They told them that Method X would up and leave

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Speaker 2: this morning. He has tweeted I'll have more on that later,

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Speaker 2: but I'm sorry. If you've got the energy and resources

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Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early

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Speaker 1: edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City New Zealand's Furniture

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Speaker 1: Beds and a playing Store.

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Speaker 2: News Talk Sibby good Morning twenty four away from six

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, b remember this the theme song. May

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Speaker 2: remember it's from Location Location, UK, great show where they

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Speaker 2: they've got funny accents. Kirsty Elsip is one of the presenters.

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Speaker 2: You'll know her face. You probably don't know her name,

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Speaker 2: but you know her face anyway, co presenters on this Location,

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Speaker 2: Location Location. She's in the news at the moment because

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Speaker 2: she let her son Oscar go on an overseas holiday.

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Speaker 2: And by overseas, I mean Europe's not that far as

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that's a little over the top.

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Speaker 2: He went with a sixteen year old friend that just

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Speaker 2: Next thing, child protective services are involved. Nine to nine two?

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Speaker 2: How old do you think a child would be before

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Speaker 2: they're allowed to travel on their own. My mum wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I was allowed to go when I was thirteen. Had

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Speaker 2: She definitely wouldn't have let me get on a plane.

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Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. What do you reckon? Nine two?

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Speaker 2: Nine two is the number.

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Speaker 1: To text Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: We're going to our reporters around the country. Lots of

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Speaker 2: your feedback coming on the electricity market as well. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to that too, But first, Cullum Proctor is in Dunedan.

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Speaker 2: Cullums some dead animals.

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Speaker 7: Ryan is causing some concern here and animal welfare inspectors

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's often the case. Weather today.

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Speaker 7: Low cloud and drizzle, but it'll clear early charts of

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Speaker 7: an evening showers strong or easteries today fifteen the height.

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Speaker 2: All right and we're going to clear she when christ

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Speaker 2: Church Heay Claire, several weeks of disruptions for you guys. Yeah, look, this.

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Speaker 8: Is never what people want to hear. Ryan, but Chrishia

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Speaker 8: City Council is about to undertake several separate works in

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Speaker 8: The Council's Planning and Delivery Transport Manager Jacob Bradbury says, look,

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Speaker 8: there's going to be a lot of disruption from now

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Speaker 8: will be significant, but the messages please be patient. Contractors

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Speaker 8: but look there will be unavoidable delays.

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Speaker 2: Right. How's your weather clear?

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Speaker 8: Low cloud and drizzled to start. It will clear to

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Speaker 8: It's a warm one the highest nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Very warman Dave Max. How's the rain been last night

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Speaker 9: Well, look, there is more heavy rain this morning. It's

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Speaker 9: care on the roads. Yesterday though quite extraordinary one in

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Speaker 9: extraordinary amount of rain flooding right across the region. Reports

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Speaker 9: Wellington Water reporting wastewater leaks. So look, please do get

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Speaker 9: in touch if you have reports of flooding this morning

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Speaker 2: Goodness mate, stay dry at the EMS in Wellington for

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Speaker 2: US and Neva Rickimano's and Auckland. Good morning, Neva, good morning.

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Speaker 10: I have to ask you the story of the day

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Speaker 10: with my friends. Did you see that story yesterday from

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Speaker 10: the Herald about Kiwi's New Zealander's shower habits and whither?

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Speaker 10: You know, like do you shower? Do you need to

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Speaker 10: shower every day? And do you shower every day?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I shower once a day.

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Speaker 10: Do you shower it in the morning? No, So that's

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Speaker 10: what I shower every morning. It's called it to four

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Speaker 10: and no it might be three thirty. No, it's three

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Speaker 10: thirty three thirty every because it's part of my wake out.

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Speaker 2: How long does this shower take you?

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Speaker 10: That's ten minutes and I woke up earlier, even Leo,

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Speaker 10: the producer. Leo said, you need to just get up

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Speaker 10: and look.

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Speaker 2: At my hair. And I know your hair's done beautifully

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Speaker 2: every day. So how long are we spending on drying

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Speaker 10: And now don't I don't dry my hair.

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Speaker 5: I just.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you're drawing your body. D my body?

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Speaker 10: Yes, well no, that will take like five minutes and

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Speaker 10: then eighties music. But you see, I make that time

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Speaker 10: for there.

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Speaker 2: So what does the survey say?

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Speaker 11: Or so?

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Speaker 10: The survey says over fifty percent of us have at

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Speaker 10: least a shower every day. Some have showered twice. Would

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Speaker 10: you have two shells and a few are showering three times?

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Speaker 10: Which is too much and you're wasting water.

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Speaker 2: Depends what you're doing. If you're working with fish, three showers, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: Or what about your workout too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You want to show after you work out? Do

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Speaker 2: you know what I've always thought about? And my parents

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Speaker 2: in law, they are in there, seventies, seventies of not

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Speaker 2: quite seventy anyway, they're old.

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Speaker 10: Okay, oh you didn't say elderly.

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Speaker 2: But I said to them, I said didn't you guys

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Speaker 2: used to smell, because they would They didn't forget showers

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Speaker 2: once a day. They would communal bath once a week.

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Speaker 2: Everybody did, didn't People used to smell? And if you

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Speaker 2: went back in time, do you think you would walk

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Speaker 2: around the street repulsed.

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Speaker 10: And then are two? They wouldn't be cleaning their clothes

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Speaker 10: all the time for three days, not filthy. So did

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Speaker 10: they stink or not?

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Speaker 2: This is the thing.

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Speaker 10: What about the odor?

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Speaker 2: They said they didn't stink because they wouldn't know. I

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Speaker 2: mean what, they never smell a clean person.

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Speaker 10: People would have been so nice to them. You see,

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Speaker 10: if that if we were back at the olden days,

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Speaker 10: we were said, man, imagine if there was at zb

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Speaker 10: it ever, hundreds of people walking around with.

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Speaker 2: The aliens smell cleanliness.

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Speaker 1: News and Views you Trust has done your day. It's

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Speaker 1: early edition with Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture

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Speaker 2: News Talk said oils up three percent overnight of affairs

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Speaker 2: of a more sustained conflict in the Middle East. And

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Speaker 2: we'll have chat more about that in a little second,

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Speaker 2: But first of all, a couple of texts from you

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Speaker 2: fourteen away from six now, Ryan, remember when smoking was

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Speaker 2: banned in pubs you could smell the bo It was disgusting.

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Speaker 2: We've just been talking about how many times a day's shower.

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Speaker 2: After a story from Neva. Also the British TV host

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Speaker 2: Kirsty Elsip, she has been reported to Social Services. She

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Speaker 2: hosts Location, Location Location because her sixteen year old son

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Speaker 2: Europe with a mate and Social Services says that is

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Speaker 2: too young. Ryan. My granddaughter wanted to go to Ravatonga

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Speaker 2: for a holiday with her bestie. However you need to

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Speaker 2: be eighteen to rent a room, so they weren't allowed

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Speaker 2: to go. Ryan, I was sixteen when my parents sent

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Speaker 2: me to the States on my own for two weeks

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Speaker 2: to attend a sports I think that's slightly different if

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Speaker 2: you're going somewhere arranged and another here from being. My son,

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Speaker 2: Jaden is fourteen. He's off to Australia by himself next month,

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Speaker 2: though he'll be staying with grandparents.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ENSI Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for

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Speaker 1: New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: We're odd enough to go to Australia and we're going

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Speaker 2: there right now. To Leslie Yeoman's The Australia Correspondent tell

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Speaker 2: us about this new right to disconnect, the new.

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Speaker 11: Law that's been brought in by the Albanesi government. It

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Speaker 11: means that people don't feel like they need to be

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Speaker 11: on call by their employer twenty four to seven. Now.

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Speaker 11: The new laws came into effect yesterday. They apply to

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Speaker 11: businesses with more than fifteen people and it means that

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Speaker 11: mainly junior employees can refuse to be contacted out of

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Speaker 11: work hours. The Australian Chamber of Commerce in Industry is

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Speaker 11: one of the employer groups that isn't happy with it.

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Speaker 11: They say the new laws aren't necessary. They're sort of

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Speaker 11: trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. But the Greens,

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Speaker 11: the ACTU and the government, they say these new laws

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Speaker 11: have been a long time coming because no worker, particularly

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Speaker 11: a junior employee, should feel like that they have to

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Speaker 11: be taking phone calls or checking emails once they get

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Speaker 11: home after.

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Speaker 2: Work, which I think is fair enough. Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the fifty cent fears on public transport across Brisbane. There's

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Speaker 2: still people evading them.

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Speaker 11: There are yes. Look, this trial was brought in in

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Speaker 11: just a couple of weeks ago. It was announced earlier

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Speaker 11: in the year. Nothing to do with a state election

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Speaker 11: happening in thin Queensland later in the year, of course,

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Speaker 11: that's what the government says. But this new trial was

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Speaker 11: brought in a couple of weeks ago and it ends

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Speaker 11: in February. And what's been happening is everyone no matter

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Speaker 11: where you travel on public transport and how far you travel,

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Speaker 11: your fair will be fifty cents as long as you

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Speaker 11: tap on and tap off. But there have been still

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Speaker 11: hundreds of fines for fair evasion being imposed. Plus there

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Speaker 11: have been more than almost four thousand warnings to adults

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Speaker 11: and miners for not doing the right thing. Now, four

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Speaker 11: hundred and seventy five fines over two weeks out of

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Speaker 11: the millions of trips being taken may not sound like

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Speaker 11: a lot, but they're not that much down on what

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Speaker 11: the fair evasion figures were before these new fares, these

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Speaker 11: cheap fares were brought in. So it makes you wonder

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Speaker 11: what is actually going on with people, you know, does

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Speaker 11: the fifty is? It not a matter of how much

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Speaker 11: the fare is, but it's just a matter of people

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Speaker 11: trying to sort of play the system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like there's a hardcore group of evaders,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter what the fear is, you will

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Speaker 2: never make them pay. Leslie yeomans with us, our Australia correspondent.

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Speaker 2: And I guess the other thing is when you make

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Speaker 2: something so cheap, you know, fifty cents is nothing, you

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Speaker 2: kind of take the value out of it, don't you.

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Speaker 2: So you think, oh, well, who cares, it's only fifty

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Speaker 2: cents that they're missing out on, and before you know it,

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Speaker 2: you're jumping over the turnstiles rain Bridge. Right, let's return

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Speaker 2: to our big story of the day. Big changes for

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Speaker 2: the electricity sector on the way. A new regime for

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Speaker 2: offshore wind is being developed except to be implemented by

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Speaker 2: the middle of next year. A return a ban, I

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Speaker 2: should say, on the oil and gas ban that was

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Speaker 2: brought in under labor. National wants to undo it. However

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Speaker 2: Labor won't support it. So how enduring is that for

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Speaker 2: businesses who might want to invest in exploration here in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. We'll talk about that in a second.

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Speaker 4: Here is luxon A country like New Zealand with abundant

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Speaker 4: natural resources shouldn't be in this position. And so the

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Speaker 4: reality is, yes, we do need gas in terms of

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Speaker 4: that firming part to our energy strategy. We obviously need

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Speaker 4: to double the amount of renewables that we have.

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Speaker 2: Ralph Smith is Messi University Professor Sustainable Energy. He's with

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Speaker 2: us this morning. Ralph, Good morning, Marina Ran, Thanks for

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Speaker 2: being with me. Can we do this align with just renewables.

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Speaker 12: Yes, we can, because we've got such a resource of

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Speaker 12: renewables and this is the most opportunity because this is

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Speaker 12: climate carbon free and the other options the government's looking

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Speaker 12: at are really increasing our greenhouse gas emissions. And of

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Speaker 12: course there's no decisions being made here. These are only

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Speaker 12: things that the government is looking at, like reversing oil

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Speaker 12: and gas exploration, importing liquefied natural gas, and they're technically

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Speaker 12: possible to do. There's no guarantees we'll find gas, and

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Speaker 12: importing LNG is expensive, whereas we got the opportunity to

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Speaker 12: develop our renewable energy generation to a greater degree.

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Speaker 2: We're also when you're talking about intimate and things that

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Speaker 2: aren't sit rain when Sun, I mean those are issues.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're in this position in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Right at the hydro levels.

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Speaker 12: It's always a concern with a renewable energy system, but

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Speaker 12: there are bio energy plants that haven't even been mentioned where.

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Speaker 12: They're very common in Scandinavia, for example, where we're using

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Speaker 12: the waste from the forest, we take out the logs,

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Speaker 12: don't we leave the slash as it's called behind if

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Speaker 12: we collected that as well, and you can store that

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Speaker 12: and use it at any time. And that's exactly what's

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Speaker 12: happening in Sweden, Finland, Austria, Germany. So there's another opportunity there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, talk about light. How long before we can harvest

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Speaker 2: the forests?

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Speaker 12: Oh, it's sitting there now. In fact, it's a project

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Speaker 12: that we looked at twenty years ago. So the technologies

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Speaker 12: that are easy to do. You just chip the slash

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Speaker 12: and bring it out and then put it into the

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Speaker 12: bio energy plant you're harvesting the.

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Speaker 2: Where's the bio energy plant? Do we have one?

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Speaker 12: This is a a good point about the decisions that

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Speaker 12: are being looked at here is electric line companies can

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Speaker 12: own more generation, so they could invest in bio energy

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Speaker 12: plants near to where the forest is and then generate

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Speaker 12: the electricity and sell that to their customers.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough point here, one, it was twenty years ago

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Speaker 2: you first looked at it. Why haven't we done it?

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Speaker 2: And two that sounds like something that's away way off yet,

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Speaker 2: don't we need guess in the meantime.

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Speaker 12: Well, gas is the we way off too. Genesis Energy

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Speaker 12: are looking to using bio energy in Huntley and to

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Speaker 12: replace it for coal, and they've done some tests on

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Speaker 12: that already, so it's not that far off. Maybe if

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Speaker 12: we look at LNG, it would take a long time

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Speaker 12: to build a infrastructure which has got gas regasification, storage,

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Speaker 12: distribution to accept the LNG when it arrives by boat

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Speaker 12: and New Plymouth or whether it might be. And if

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Speaker 12: we reverse the oil and gas exploration. We should know

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Speaker 12: here as well that although the oil and gas offshore

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Speaker 12: ban came in then the existing permits were still going

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Speaker 12: and companies were still looking for oil and gas right

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Speaker 12: the way through and on land as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think the problem there though, is that you

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Speaker 2: why would you look for something you're not sure you

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Speaker 2: can actually get out of the ground and keep all

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Speaker 2: of your resources here at the same time, Ralph, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time this morning. Ralph Smith, Massy University, Professor

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Speaker 2: of Sustainable Energy. I should note that Hipkins and also

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Speaker 2: the energy spokesperson for labor whose name has just escaped

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Speaker 2: me have both declined woods as both declined to be

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Speaker 2: on the program today Get ahead of the headlines.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge you for twenty twenty four on early edition

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Speaker 1: with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture Bids and a player store.

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Speaker 2: News Talk zi'd be three minutes to six. I'm Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening and all of your feedback today.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk tomorrow, KAK, have a good one.

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