1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: School obviously is rather upset that that phrase was used 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: in commentary. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: To them, I apologize unequivocally. What happens to your test 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: team in January when they all get pulled out to 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: go and play this provincial T twenty tournament? What happens 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: to the shrine and Tour which is scheduled to be 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: during that time and then India's not long after? 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 3: If anybody had bothered to ask us, the first thing 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 3: we could have said to them is, while a competition 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: like this really will succeed if we can get a 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: four week window, let's be flexible around when that is on. 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: The sports tittle of that, this's this evening. We've got 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 4: Nathan Lemon, Jeff mctage. Nathan, of course, is our Herald 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 4: sports journist and Jeff mctage's the Sky Sport commentator. How 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 4: are you guys? 16 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 2: Hey? 17 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 5: Ever? 18 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Get eva right? 19 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 4: What do you reckon? Nathan? I saw you whip your 20 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 4: phone up and have a look at that. 21 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 5: What did you think of the insta postem? Normally, I'm 22 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 5: normally one who just encourages any kind of bands at 23 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 5: least hype up the rivalry. Let's get a bit of 24 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 5: I always look at overseas rivalries and I look at 25 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 5: I think about what are the best rivalries in the 26 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 5: world in Sport, Manchester City, Manchester, United State of ra 27 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 5: and you know, Queens and versus New South Wales, and 28 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 5: what fuels those rivalries is hate. It's hate, and it's 29 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 5: not hate genuinely, but it's like you get in the 30 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 5: stadium performance performative hate. So the post itself, I would 31 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 5: have more support of it if it was a little 32 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 5: bit clever, but it's not really clever. It's just on 33 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 5: the nose. But I really like a chief's response and 34 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 5: that he says he doesn't care. I think that makes 35 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: it a bit more okay. 36 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 4: Okay, So is that banter okay, Jeff, but the banter 37 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: at Christ College is not? Okay? 38 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 39 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: I guess they're slightly different, slightly different situations. Look, I 40 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: think Scotty's come out and sincerely apologized, and I think 41 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that in a live environment sometimes 42 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: we can all say things that we would otherwise not 43 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: say and regret in hindsight. So he's come out, he's 44 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: owned it. I think his statement is sincere and we 45 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: move on. Clearly, he said that he wasn't aware of 46 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: what the term meant at the time. I certainly wasn't 47 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: when I heard it. Obviously it offended those at Christ 48 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: College to head have to go google it, did you? 49 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: I didn't google it. I didn't pay too much attention 50 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: to help until until others said what what it related to? 51 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: The in the media. So look, I think, as I said, 52 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Scott has made the apology, it's a live environment. We 53 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: can do things we were good at times and we 54 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: move on. 55 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 4: Isn't this an overreaction, Nathan? 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 5: It's so difficult because I'm in the same boat as that. 57 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: I had no idea what it meant. 58 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 4: Like I'm on from Christ with the headmaster has drawn 59 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: attention to it, created the strikes and defect. Now we 60 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: all know what a syrup sucker is and now we're 61 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: all like, what the hell is going on at your schoolmate? 62 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 5: Well, no one's going to say that again, are they. 63 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 5: So I suppose if that's the desired outcome, it's it's 64 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 5: not going to happen again, because I'm fully with jeffinite 65 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 5: Scottish apologized his apology is obviously sincere. It's a live environment. Yeah, okay, 66 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 5: he got that wrong, But I think this is something 67 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 5: that just should be dropped. 68 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 4: And like it's my argument. What I'm what I'm getting at, Jeff, 69 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 4: is that if this like, if this happens, are you 70 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: are you doing doing the right thing as the principal 71 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: to jump up and down about it, or are you 72 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: better off to just be like just we just don't 73 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 4: want to draw attention to it because because now now 74 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: we're all discussing the thing, he doesn't want us to 75 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 4: to say. 76 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say, and that's very Christian for 77 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: the principle of christ College. But it was obviously it 78 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: struck a nerve and and and it's obviously you know, 79 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: created this reaction. So I think you know, he's done 80 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: the right thing, Scott, he's come out, he's apologized before 81 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: the day's play. As I said, it's sincere TVNZ. You 82 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: know there's going to be an investigation, obviously broadcast downards, 83 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: complaints being laid. So look, those things are going to happen. 84 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, as I said, 85 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I think these things can slip out of our mountains. 86 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Broadcasters from time to time, you just got to step up. 87 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like that, never seen anything. 88 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: I think it depends if the students themselves are subject 89 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 5: of this comment, whether we're passed off and upset, and 90 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 5: if they were, then the principal was very justifying standing 91 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 5: up for them on their behalf. If they didn't care, 92 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 5: no one really cared, and the principles something up down there. 93 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: Knowing school boys, they're probably stoked with this at the minute. Listen, 94 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: I want to get I want to hear what you 95 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: guys have to think to say about the cricket competition. 96 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: The T twenty do it after the break the. 97 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Friday Sports title with New Zealand South of East International 98 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Realty the only truly global brand. 99 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: Right you're back of the sports hitdle Jeff mctage and 100 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 4: Nathan Limb. Jeff, now, are you for or against this 101 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: T twenty thing in New Zealand? 102 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: I for it? 103 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I for it. I think we always run into these 104 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: situations when something new is moted and and put forward 105 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: and the establishment you know, off and cry foul of 106 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: and go no, you can't do that without our say 107 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: so and and whatnot. But if you actually look at 108 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: the you know, the core theme here, it's so they 109 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: want to play the cricket around the same time as 110 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: as the T schedule. But for MI end it's just 111 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: about working out when that's played and working together with 112 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: New Zealand cricket. I think if they can work in 113 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: harmony and have have those top players clearly MT twenty 114 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: one to play in that competition, have them available, also 115 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: have them available and have those assurances for the test schedule, 116 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: I see no problem in it, particularly given that the 117 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: six major associations are on board, so there are plenty 118 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: of people for this to go ahead. It's not like 119 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: everyone's saying no, we don't want the NZ twenty. Lots 120 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: of people do. So how do we make this work collectively, 121 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: collectivility to get together? 122 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: I mean the problem that's been raised Nathan is that 123 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 4: it's going to clash with the Australia Test Series, which 124 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: is happening in January next year, right or twenty seven. 125 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 4: But isn't the fundamental point here act And that's fair enough. 126 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 4: That seems like a problem, but actually don't we have 127 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: to set aside a cricket window for domestic competitions around 128 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: the world so that they can actually play proper domestic cricket. 129 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 5: I think what is very clear is that New Zealand's 130 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 5: has fallen behind way behind the world stage in terms 131 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 5: of our domestic product and entertaining financially viable domestic competition. 132 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 5: You know, all over the world they have these competitions 133 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 5: and we've fallen behind. The Black Caps succeed in T 134 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 5: twenties in spot of our domestic competition, not because of them. 135 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 5: So what is clear is that change is needed. I 136 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 5: think what's happened here is that we've got this new 137 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 5: sort of notion, this new prospect. We don't like new 138 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: scary things. I think actually we just need more information 139 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 5: on the stage because this isn't something that's going to 140 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 5: happen next month. This is just a concept at the stage. 141 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: And yeah, I think the questions that have been raised 142 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 5: in this open letter are viable, but I also think 143 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 5: there's an element of us panicking over something that we 144 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: don't actually have the details of. 145 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 4: Nathan, would you rather you'll domestic cricket be one day 146 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: is or T twenties because that's what will happen. It 147 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 4: will replace the one days. 148 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: I think that, well, I mean, hang on, it will 149 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 5: replace the one days because you have the super smash. 150 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: It will replace the super smash. So the supersmash is 151 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 5: t tweeny. 152 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 4: The Super Sorry, it will replace the won't replace the 153 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: one day is because if you're going to if you're 154 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: the idea is you move the eyeballs away from your 155 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: one days to your t twenties. 156 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 5: I mean, I think I didn't think that this affected 157 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 5: the Ford Trophy in Newson, wondering what I thought this 158 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 5: was was, was it replaces the Super Smash, the T 159 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 5: twenty competition. 160 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: It does replace, the replaces. This isn't the idea that 161 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: if you if you're protecting this thing, right, you're just 162 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: protecting this thing the centrally that the contracted players have 163 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: to be here. It will gravitate us all towards that 164 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 4: instead of the one day. 165 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: Is, instead of the black Caps one days or the 166 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 5: domestic one day mystic. I don't think anyone watches the 167 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 5: domestic one day it's on you. 168 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: Are you okay with it? 169 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: Yes? 170 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 5: Okay, because it's it's to me, it's not it's a 171 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 5: non issue because the one days aren't. Don't have any 172 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 5: eyes on it. 173 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: Anyway, Okay, and then we replace the Super Smash as well. 174 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: All right, Jeff, we need to talk about what is 175 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: going on here with It'sabeth, because Isabeth has been stood 176 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: down for twelve matches, but none of this is the 177 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 4: eye gouging. But none of the matches a teast so 178 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: doesn't count. 179 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Can we can we suspend them when the World Cup 180 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: rolls around? One for them? Now, I'm I've got a 181 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: bug on this on lot. I think it's if he 182 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: if he sits out twelve matches for the Sharks in 183 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: the United Rugby Championship. Look, it just means he's going 184 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: to have, you know, a few months off to spend 185 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: some time in the German put on another twenty so 186 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: he's one hundred and fifty kilos of man muscle. What 187 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: we look? I think this should the crime should relate 188 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: where to where it's been, you know, where it's transpired. 189 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: So in this case Test rugby, So you're going to 190 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: hand down a twelve weeks to spend to a twelve 191 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: game suspension, Surely I think at least that some of 192 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: that should be in Test rugby. Otherwise, you know, what's 193 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: the point, He's just going to have an extended break. 194 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: I am fine with him serving the suspension in club rugby. 195 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 5: I think that yellow and red cards have become so 196 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: common in rugby union, I mean South Africa had three 197 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 5: red cards and four tests. So if we start going 198 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: with this saying okay, he's going to miss tests, then 199 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 5: we're going to it's going to bleed into other red 200 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: card issues. And it's already controversial how many red cards 201 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 5: are getting dushed out and what's going to happen is 202 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 5: it's going to come back on us. It's all very 203 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 5: well now that we South Africa were going, you know, 204 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 5: some All Blacks is going to get red carded, and 205 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 5: then we're going to be going, oh no, he's going 206 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 5: to miss you know this many tests for the All Blacks. 207 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 5: So I think we have to think of it from 208 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 5: the perspective of if he was our player, would we 209 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 5: want him just missing Super rugby? We want him to 210 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 5: miss All Blacks tests really quickly. 211 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: Are you sad that we have lost our fastest runner 212 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: to the Aussies? 213 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: Yes? 214 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 5: I think a Sprinting is a sport that's very easy 215 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: to understand. Kids do it all the way through primary school, 216 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: high school. You know, an athletic states. It's an easy 217 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 5: thing to go, oh, I'm good at this, I might 218 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 5: try it this more. And you need people in the 219 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 5: sport for kids to look up to. Okay, maybe he 220 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 5: wasn't going to make the Olympic podium, but he can 221 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 5: still be that person that represents Newsy on that kids 222 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 5: look up to. I think that is a huge loss, Jeff. 223 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: I think the standards are outrageous that they need to 224 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: be locked at lock ten o eight. That got him 225 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: a silver medal at Birmingham twenty twenty two, which he 226 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: wasn't selected for. So there's some food for thought. 227 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: Ah, very good point. Actually, hey guys, thank you. 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