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Speaker 1: Govenments tracking down on youth beneficiaries. It's brought forward changes

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Speaker 1: that mean from next November, eighteen to nineteen year olds

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Speaker 1: won't get the dole if their parents earn more than

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Speaker 1: sixty five thousand dollars. There's also a new one thousand

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Speaker 1: dollar bonus if they stay off the benefit for a

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Speaker 1: year through the Community Job Service. Fellow Raleigh former Welfare

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Speaker 1: Expert Welfare Advisory Expert Group member joins me.

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Speaker 2: Now, hi, Phil, morning Ron.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think they've brought it forward.

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Speaker 2: Or probably to demonstrate to the electorate coming into a

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Speaker 2: title election that they're under control on this. I suspect

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Speaker 2: also the budgetary situation is driving them of it, and

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Speaker 2: I think they want a demonstrate action. So that's politics bloit.

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Speaker 1: Does it work?

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Speaker 2: I think the carrot and stick approach is a good

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Speaker 2: idea and certainly I think the public will support the

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Speaker 2: idea that if you're sitting with your parents and they're

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Speaker 2: earning some money, you shouldn't be you shouldn't be taking

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Speaker 2: money from the state, You should primarily focus on that

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Speaker 2: parental support. And I think that's probably sent and hopefully

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Speaker 2: it will lead to more young people getting a job.

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Speaker 2: The carrot. At the end of it. The thousand bucks

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Speaker 2: are for a year that was announced yesterday. Once again,

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Speaker 2: I think in principle that's a good idea, although I

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Speaker 2: suspect the scheme design may not actually be quite as

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Speaker 2: helpful as it otherwise might be. The international evidence around

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Speaker 2: this is that if you've been in a job for

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Speaker 2: about six months, you tend to be sticky in that job.

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Speaker 2: That's the international evidence. So you probably would have structured

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Speaker 2: a payment if I was the minister at about six

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Speaker 2: months rather than twelve, because just put yourself in the

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Speaker 2: feet of that young person, a year is a long

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Speaker 2: time that the young person's life. Although clearly a thousand

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Speaker 2: bucks is are fair but a money for a young

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Speaker 2: person as well. So the question is whether it will

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Speaker 2: actually work that, whether the year is too long for

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Speaker 2: that quite big character play out. Maybe six months would

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Speaker 2: have been better, but you know, that's just a scheme

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Speaker 2: design issue, and we'll see how it practically works out.

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Speaker 1: Currently, fifteen thy eighteen to nineteen year olds on the

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Speaker 1: doll do we know how many of them have parents

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Speaker 1: earning less than sixty five thousand dollars a year? I

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Speaker 1: guess it's the question, Well.

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Speaker 2: It'll just be probably a faction a function of the population,

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Speaker 2: if you like. But bear in mind those people on

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Speaker 2: sixty five grand or that lower end of the spectrum

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Speaker 2: will often tend to be on government support themselves. They

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Speaker 2: might be on a family benefit, they might be on

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Speaker 2: some sort of hardship allowance already, so that there will

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Speaker 2: be a complex interplayer that will let that lower end

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Speaker 2: of how much government support both the parents will get

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Speaker 2: or the sole parent potentially and the young person will get.

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's all to be played out. I

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Speaker 2: think we.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time this morning. We've got I rany Form,

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Speaker 1: a Welfare Expert Advisory Group member.

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