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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: Gooring. It's Heather dupasy Elm Drive with One.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. We've got some gas news and

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Speaker 3: it's not good gas news to tell you after five

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Speaker 3: nurses are pretty worried about Saint John's pulling their volunteers

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Speaker 3: out of emergency departments and the mistakes eighteen of them

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Speaker 3: in the Maths workbooks.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupaicy Ellen rare.

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Speaker 3: Thing to be able to say, Wellington City Council has

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Speaker 3: just made a sensible decision and voted against directing offence

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Speaker 3: along the entire length of Kumutoto and Queenswarf. Now, if

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Speaker 3: you know the part of Wellington that I'm talking about here,

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Speaker 3: it's the area seaside of the TSB Banker Reader and

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Speaker 3: Fergs and Shed five and Foxglove and so on. That

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Speaker 3: whole area at the moment has beautiful concrete walkways that

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Speaker 3: have been laid lovely, lovely seating and lighting and so on,

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Speaker 3: And then there's a little barrier either side of their sea.

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Speaker 3: On the other side, there's a little barrier that comes

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Speaker 3: up to concrete barrier maybe midshin for you now. Council

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Speaker 3: officials planned to erect a fence instead, full length fence

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Speaker 3: either side of every walkway up to about what i'd

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Speaker 3: say one point two one one point two meters or so,

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Speaker 3: lining almost the entire walkway three and a half k's

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Speaker 3: of it, at the cost of maybe as much as

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollars. And they wanted council probably because they

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Speaker 3: realized how this is going to go down with people.

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Speaker 3: They wanted council to rush through voting on it without

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Speaker 3: talking to the public about it first. For once, Wellington

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Speaker 3: City Council has actually done the right thing and pumped

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Speaker 3: the brakes here. I think to be fair to the

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Speaker 3: officials that this is coming from a good place and

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Speaker 3: that this is the recommendation and account a coroner's report.

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Speaker 3: A coroner's had a look at somebody who's fallen into

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Speaker 3: the water died in the drink and said you should

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Speaker 3: put a fence up, because there have been a few

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Speaker 3: examples lately, especially young men who've got on the raz

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Speaker 3: and then fallen into the water and that has been

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Speaker 3: the end of them. But this is going to sound harsh,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think you fence off an entire walkway

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Speaker 3: because some young people sometimes have a drink and then

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Speaker 3: fall in. I don't want as much as you. I

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Speaker 3: don't want people to die needlessly in accidents. But there

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Speaker 3: is a balance to be struck here between personal responsibility

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Speaker 3: and safety measures that we put up to stop stuff happening.

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Speaker 3: I think you go for an intermediate thing here. You

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Speaker 3: stick up some lights, you make sure people can see

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Speaker 3: where they're going in the dark, but you do not

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Speaker 3: fence off the entire thing, because that is overkill. It

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Speaker 3: is not normal for us to have fences between ourselves

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Speaker 3: and the sea. Take Auckland, where I live at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Go for a walk under Auckland's harbor bridge. There are

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Speaker 3: huge stretches exactly like this, no fence whatsoever. You're walking there,

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Speaker 3: there's the sea. It's a fall down. You have to

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Speaker 3: look after yourself and be careful. Walk on piers anywhere

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Speaker 3: in this country they often do not have fences. You've

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Speaker 3: got a watch where you're going. You chuck up a fence.

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Speaker 3: You stop people doing what they're supposed to do in

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Speaker 3: the sea, which are sitting there looking at it, enjoying

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Speaker 3: nature or fishing off the fishing off the walkway into

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Speaker 3: the sea. Think about what the Wellington officials trying to

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Speaker 3: do here. They were literally fencing off the sea. When

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Speaker 3: you fence off the sea, do you not think that

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Speaker 3: you are going just a little bit too far.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duellen, don't you winne is the teach number.

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Speaker 3: We're actually going to have a chat to one of

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Speaker 3: the Wellington City councilors, Tim Brown about a quarter past five. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you're in Auckland, you might want to double check

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Speaker 3: your rates bill. The Heralds had to look at it.

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Speaker 3: They've identified a number of properties in Auckland where rates

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Speaker 3: are completely wrong. One of the worst examples is a

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Speaker 3: three point nine million dollar property which had a rate

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Speaker 3: spill come through of four hundred and forty four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: That was obviously wrong. That's been revised down to fourteen

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Ross Tucker is Auckland Council's Group Chief financial Officer,

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Speaker 3: high Ross h Ross. How did you guys send out

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Speaker 3: a rating bill for four hundred and forty four thousand dollars?

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously that that one was a mistake. So we

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Speaker 4: are currently in the process of.

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Speaker 3: No no hold on before we move on, I want to

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Speaker 3: know how did it happen? Does nobody double check? Is

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Speaker 3: it AI doing it? Nobody double checks it?

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Speaker 4: What a long complex process? So that the process all

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Speaker 4: about doing the rating valuation. So every three years we

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Speaker 4: do rating valuations. At the long complex process, we've got

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Speaker 4: to do revised rating valuations for six.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and we know how this works.

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Speaker 3: We all own properties. How did you guys send out

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Speaker 3: an email for four four four zero zero zero? Did

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Speaker 3: nobody look at it and go that's a bit high?

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Speaker 4: Well, we kind of look at all them, but we

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Speaker 4: don't have one person sitting down and looking through six

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty thousand individual one so a huge volume pressumilar.

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Speaker 4: But what we're seeing is we've looked at the ones

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Speaker 4: that have been raised. We've identified there's four properties out

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Speaker 4: of six hundred and thirty thousand, four properties have identified areas.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure well, we've had a good look at it.

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Speaker 4: We haven't identified we've had Is there any systematic errors?

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Speaker 4: Are there problems that are that are quite bored? Or

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Speaker 4: are they isolated? And the best information we've quite is

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Speaker 4: we think it's quite isolated. But what these ones relate

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Speaker 4: to if I can just explain the context of these,

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Speaker 4: these are the four properties that where there's been some

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Speaker 4: issues are not just a single property, single house. It's

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Speaker 4: ones where the multi units, So there's one rates ball

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Speaker 4: that covers multiple units. And where the era has happened

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Speaker 4: is it's the wrong number of charges, so instead of

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Speaker 4: getting you know, instead of ten units, it's thirty or

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Speaker 4: something like that. So it's the number of charges that

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Speaker 4: the waste charges or the per unit. So if anyone

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Speaker 4: sees the rates of ball and it's got the wrong number,

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Speaker 4: that's more.

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Speaker 3: Than How did that happen? How does that make sense

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Speaker 3: with the one that's three point nine million, because it

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Speaker 3: went from four hundred and forty four thousand dollars down

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Speaker 3: four to eighty five seven times less. So how did

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Speaker 3: the different how many units? What happened?

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Speaker 4: I don't don't have all the details of Finney, but

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Speaker 4: it was something like it was should have been fourteen

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Speaker 4: units and it was forty four units or something like that.

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Speaker 5: Oh, better order to manage it.

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Speaker 4: It's completely the wrong number of units. Someone somehow, maybe

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Speaker 4: it's human eraor maybe it's some processing in data translation,

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Speaker 4: but it's simply the wrong number of units, and then

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Speaker 4: that just drives a change. So the rates and the

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Speaker 3: What's happened with the Herald do is they can only

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Speaker 3: pack up the really big mistakes. They can't pack up

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Speaker 3: the really small mistakes. So presumably you guys have to

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Speaker 3: no mistakes. Is that how it would work? Are you

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Speaker 4: That's right? So we have been doing it. We're doing

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Speaker 4: more of that and the team's working really hard this

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Speaker 4: week to double trouble check as much things as they can.

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Speaker 4: They've been doing it so far. They haven't spotted in

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Speaker 4: the other eras. You can never be undertential, but we're

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Speaker 4: doing the best we can to define and do it.

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Speaker 4: It is six hundred and fify thousand properties. It's a

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Speaker 4: lot of it. It's a big complex exercise. But today

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Speaker 4: lots of checking and no further so we've all.

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Speaker 3: Got the rates bill has landed in out in boxes

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Speaker 3: or our letter boxes or whatever last week or thereabout.

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Speaker 3: If we want to double check it ourselves. Is there

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Speaker 3: a simple calculation that we can do just to be sure?

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Speaker 4: It brings me a complex I guess calculation how it

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Speaker 4: keep it in terms of the errors that we've seen,

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Speaker 4: it's about those number the number of units. So if

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Speaker 4: you've just got a single property, if you've seen more

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Speaker 4: starting with se multiple charges, that could be an indication

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Speaker 4: key thing to look at jug you fether things to

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Speaker 4: look at. The valuation notices that have gone out previously.

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Speaker 4: Is at the right rating valuation been applied, No reason

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Speaker 4: to think that it might not be. But it's the

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Speaker 4: functioning of the rates and the dollar all of those

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Speaker 4: charges that are published on website applied to the property,

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Speaker 4: the number of units and the value of that property.

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Speaker 3: Right, Ross, thank you so much, appreciate your time. Ross

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Speaker 3: Tucker Group Group chief financial Officer at all Can Council

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Speaker 3: here that the number of mistakes in the maths workbooks

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Speaker 3: is about the same number you can find on an

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Speaker 3: average day and stuff with the Herald. At least they

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Speaker 3: got found and corrected in the workbooks. Actually, suddenly enough,

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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of text telling me off even

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Speaker 3: Hither the Grand Canyon Room is not fenced? Good point

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Speaker 3: eighteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Responsibly Darcy water Grave sports talkhosters with me. Hello, dares he.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they're taking or they've opened a book

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Speaker 6: the WNBA. It's just going to talk about three and

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Speaker 6: seven days. You'd think possibly maybe they would open a book.

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Speaker 3: Not another one.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about it before you do.

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Speaker 3: What is the lesson from three six toys?

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Speaker 6: It's don't throw me in the briar patch. I don't

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Speaker 6: mention it and it'll stop happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like doing it to keep on doing.

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Speaker 6: You have two young children, don't touch the paint, never

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Speaker 6: work like that. Treat them like children. Suggest the positives,

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Speaker 6: don't have a crack the negatives anyway. Our rat bet responsibly,

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Speaker 6: of course with the tab that is the call behind that.

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Speaker 6: If you want to have a look, I think that

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Speaker 6: at the moment, I'll be looking at long term betting.

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Speaker 6: Because Tasmum were outrageous favorites to win the NPC itself.

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Speaker 6: Now that's not quite as favor as it used to be.

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Speaker 6: It's still up there. It's still three dollars seventy five

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Speaker 6: to win the whole thing. But if you start looking

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Speaker 6: back through your personal teams and it just gives you

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Speaker 6: something to lean on for the whole season, you know this,

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Speaker 6: see back burn. It's not going to give you instant

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Speaker 6: joy straight away unless you're North or South and they're

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Speaker 6: both paying one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 7: One dollars to win.

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Speaker 6: So maybe it wouldn't go along those lines. But Canterbury

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Speaker 6: four to fifty, bay or twenty five bucks, Tartannaki seven,

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Speaker 6: Wellington hawks Bay eight bucks, why it all ten dollars,

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Speaker 6: Auckland thirteen dollars, So it is long term, but it's

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Speaker 6: one that smolders and you get to all the end

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Speaker 6: of the season. Actually, hold on, did I put a

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Speaker 6: sneaky ten bucks on those guys to it and see

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Speaker 6: how it goes? That's my idea, bit responsibly before you

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Speaker 6: get anab.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So Richard Muwanga has signed. There is no

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Speaker 2: Four twenty three, moving the big stories of the day forward.

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Speaker 3: Get real Darcy, there's monger than there's daylight, and then

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Speaker 3: But hey, nobody's ever accused Chris Hopkins and the Labor

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Speaker 1: We can fly away, steal out and make a decision,

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Speaker 1: leave to nine eleven, die this way, recamping the day's

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected news dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be when I told Judith of that.

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Speaker 3: Have you read Treasuries report in HEROLD, read the spending

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Speaker 3: Jason Wills is going to do politics for us today.

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds are standing by right now. It's twenty four

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks every drive.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says Steve Whitcop's meeting with Russian President Putin

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Speaker 10: It is possible to buy past sanctions. This is a reality,

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Speaker 11: That he's been found guilty and exhausted all these appeals

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Speaker 3: Muzzle that shortly and finally a Moroccan man is in

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Speaker 3: Soldier in Paris to light as Sigi. He was caught

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 12: Hey muster India.

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Speaker 3: So is Gareth Wood? Has he just completely lost the

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Speaker 12: Well? His argument and it's being put this afternoon by

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Speaker 12: The appeal process has heard and has concluded. I am

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Speaker 12: He's currently in jail, as you say, very serious sex

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Speaker 12: So he's in jail, probably in protective custody, still collecting

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Speaker 12: he says it won't be considered in a nutshell right,

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Speaker 12: The GST has been ten percent forever, ever since it

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Speaker 12: came in about twenty five years ago. The government has

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Speaker 12: an economic roundtable later this month. Unions, business leaders all invited.

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Speaker 12: Now a new suggestion from an economist, raise the GST

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Speaker 12: to fifteen percent, right up from ten to fifteen percent,

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Speaker 12: and taking items that currently are exempt like fresh food,

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Speaker 12: like childcare, like education, like help and utilities as well.

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Speaker 12: These are exempt from the GST. Now, the sums look

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Speaker 12: pretty ighwatering. It would raise over ninety billion dollars a year.

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Speaker 12: But here's the thing. If you raise that says this

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Speaker 12: economist's plan, you'd have to provide offsets. Every taxpayer would

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Speaker 12: get around three and a half thousand dollars in rebates,

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Speaker 12: which would eliminate the impact of the higher GST on

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Speaker 12: the first twenty two to twenty three thousand dollars of

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Speaker 12: everyone's annual income, which would help young people starting out

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Speaker 12: in the workforce. You wouldn't be paying as much income

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Speaker 12: tax and never get young people earn less, but they

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Speaker 12: still paid a disproportioned the amount of income tax. But

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Speaker 12: Albanezy just I don't know what the problem is. He's

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Speaker 12: got ninety four seats in the lower House of Federal Parliament.

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Speaker 12: The opposition is fifty seats behind. If he's not going

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Speaker 12: to do it now, he'll never do it because he's

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Speaker 12: got the perfect opportunity with a margin like that, have

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Speaker 12: some courage, have some testicular fortitude and say we're going

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Speaker 12: to have tax reform here. We need it because you

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Speaker 12: can't keep relying ever, relying on income tax, just not

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Speaker 12: going to work.

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Speaker 3: As you see, Albaneze has come out and defended justin

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Speaker 3: to Alan for the working from home idea.

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Speaker 12: Well, look at a labor it's a labor thing, you know,

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Speaker 12: workers have to have. I mean, look, I'm a labor voter,

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Speaker 12: you know that. But the right to work from home

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Speaker 12: isn't the spotlight over here. Property Canstrades said, listen, we've

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Speaker 12: got all this vacant office space in downtowns all over

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Speaker 12: the country. The vacancy rates and some of the high

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Speaker 12: rise buildings in our CBDs ever are at the thirty

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Speaker 12: year high three zeros they have them in is high

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Speaker 12: for thirty years fifteen percent plus in some cb details

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Speaker 12: worse than some pockets of Melbourne. Now look, the cb

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Speaker 12: details are making a slow comeback, but you know from COVID.

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Speaker 12: COVID destroyed businesses. We all know people work from home

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Speaker 12: and people got used to it. They quite liked working

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Speaker 12: from home. The Property Council says, listen, employers have to

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Speaker 12: get workers back into these offices because property council are

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Speaker 12: losing money and the Victorian governments confirmed it's going to

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Speaker 12: actually legislate to guarantee the right of employees to work

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Speaker 12: from home two days a week. The bosses are saying,

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Speaker 12: you're out of your mind. The Property Council is saying, listen,

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Speaker 12: we need we need the revenue to keep on adding

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Speaker 12: to the office space. Because the economy isn't going to

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Speaker 12: stand still. Interesting to see where this one's going to land.

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Speaker 3: Mars Appreciate your time, Murray Old's Australia correspondent. E Road

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Speaker 3: We need to talk about E Road. E Road's share

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Speaker 3: price jump twenty five percent yesterday. E road is a

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Speaker 3: company that's based in Auckland that does rucks for trucks electronically.

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Speaker 3: Does that something that sound like something we've just been

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Speaker 3: talking about. We have just been talking about as of yesterday,

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Speaker 3: the fact that every single one of us in this

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Speaker 3: country is going to stop paying the petrol tax and

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Speaker 3: we're going to start paying the rucks the road user

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Speaker 3: charges electronically. So why has E roads share price jumped?

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Speaker 3: Because they can already do this thing that we need

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Speaker 3: them to do for the entire country. So yesterday when

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop announced it, E Road's shares went from one

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Speaker 3: dollar fifty five to two dollars. They are going to

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Speaker 3: be with us after six to it because we've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of questions, I mean, having you, I've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of questions about this, like is your car

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Speaker 3: equipped for it already? What if your car I mean

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Speaker 3: if you bought a car yesterday or last year something.

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Speaker 3: It probably as equipped for it. I'd imagine all the

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Speaker 3: modern cars can do all these fancy things because they

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Speaker 3: have to be able to go around the world to

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Speaker 3: do fancy things. But what about if you're still driving

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Speaker 3: a two thousand and five Jeep Rank that has mold

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Speaker 3: growing on the inside. It probably needs a little bit

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Speaker 3: of souping up. Do you know what I mean to

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Speaker 3: be able to do these kinds of things? In which case,

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Speaker 3: now how much you're gonna have to pay for it?

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Speaker 3: So anyway, it feels to me like all of the

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Speaker 3: questions cross Bishop can't answer, Eeroad may be able to am.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be with us after six Politics is

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Speaker 3: next seventeen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centric credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: But I'll run you through that Treasurer report on COVID

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Speaker 3: era spending shortly. Right now, it's fourteen away from five

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Speaker 3: and Jason Wall's new storage z'd be's political editors with us. Hello, Jason,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. Hother what is the red tape that David

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Speaker 3: Seymore's cutting?

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Speaker 13: Now, well, i'll tell you what this is a very

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Speaker 13: David Seymour slash Heather Dupless clan thing because it seems

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Speaker 13: like you guys are the only two people in the

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Speaker 13: country that are interested in this apart from me, So I'm.

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Speaker 9: Glad that you picked up on this.

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Speaker 14: New Zealand's labeling regime is driving up prices and limiting

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Speaker 14: wage growth. That's according to David Seymour. He also says

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Speaker 14: New Zealand's product labeling requirements are made up of thirty

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Speaker 14: different codes, standards and regulations. In this, he says, is

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Speaker 14: leading to costs for businesses to label their products to

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Speaker 14: comply with New Zealand export standards. So what's he doing Well,

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Speaker 14: He's saying that exports export is facing extra compliance costs

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Speaker 14: preparing products for overseas markets while consumers miss out on

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Speaker 14: the global goods because of importers are facing different laboring

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Speaker 14: or labeling requirements. And he's saying that he's going to

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Speaker 14: make some changes. Businesses like chemist warehouses have been He

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Speaker 14: says they have been a game changer for kiwis purchasing

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Speaker 14: cheaper pharmaceutical products. However, they tied up in excessive labeling requirements,

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Speaker 14: adding costs to their operations. So David Seymour and he's

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Speaker 14: been moving today with Scott Simpson as well to make

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Speaker 14: some various different changes on those to change the regulations.

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Speaker 14: So this all comes back to David Seymour. He's been

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Speaker 14: fighting regulations, he's been fighting red tape, and this is

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Speaker 14: just kind of another one on the wrong of the

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Speaker 14: ladders that David Seymour has been trying to get through

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Speaker 14: across the line.

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Speaker 3: So actually said what he wants to take out of

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Speaker 3: the labels change about the labels.

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Speaker 14: Well, I'll tell you what I've been reading through this

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Speaker 14: all day, and I've been a little bit kind of

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Speaker 14: almost confused about it in the way that I would

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Speaker 14: like love to give you a little bit more information

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Speaker 14: about it, but I actually it's a little bit complex

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Speaker 14: in this stage. And it looks like he says that

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Speaker 14: the review is expected to be completed by December twenty

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Speaker 14: twenty five, so we've got a couple more months to

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Speaker 14: wait for this one.

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Speaker 3: The reason I'm asking you this question is because when

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Speaker 3: I looked at it, it looked to me completely devoid

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Speaker 3: of detail here, like it was basically saying this is

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Speaker 3: what we're going to do. We can't tell you what

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Speaker 3: we're gonna gonna do because we're going to have a

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Speaker 3: look at what we're gonna do, in which case, why

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Speaker 3: are you announcing it? Only announce it when you actually

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Speaker 3: know what you're going to do.

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Speaker 14: Well, that was my entire thought about it as well,

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Speaker 14: which was I thought, like, you know, we can have

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Speaker 14: a chat about it this afternoon, But I was kind

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Speaker 14: of confused about what you wanted to know about it

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Speaker 14: because I didn't have any more information.

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Speaker 3: About what we're exactly to say. Tell me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 3: please and being unfair, But are we not in exactly

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Speaker 3: the same situation with this labeling announcement as we were

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Speaker 3: last week with Brook van Velden's scaffolding announcement, in that

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Speaker 3: they're both announcing nothing.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, this is exactly what I thought on

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Speaker 14: this whole thing, And this is why when I read

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Speaker 14: it and we were talking about it this morning with

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Speaker 14: my news team, it was like, well do we even

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Speaker 14: cover this because I don't know what this is. I mean,

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Speaker 14: I read you through basically what was on the press release, right,

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Speaker 14: and I don't know what happens next apart from he's

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Speaker 14: thinking about doing some things in December twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 14: And this is what David Seymour kind of has to

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Speaker 14: worry about at the stage in his tenure as Deputy

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Speaker 14: Prime Minister. It's just announcing things, saying we're going to

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Speaker 14: get them across the line at some point, but we're

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Speaker 14: just giving you drip feeding bits of information here and there.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think this is isolated to David Seymour.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing this across across the coalition government actually and

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Speaker 3: a particularly national in Act that they keep on. They

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Speaker 3: announce little things and then they re announce them, and

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Speaker 3: then they re announced them, and they're announcement every point

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Speaker 3: of the process. Now, is this not exactly the same

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Speaker 3: thing that we got annoyed with with Jasin Dada.

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Speaker 14: At the old announcing of announcing the announcement of announcement. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: and I absolutely think it is. And I think that

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Speaker 14: they need to be worried about falling into the same

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Speaker 14: trap because as you did, I looked at this press

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Speaker 14: and I was just reading through the sort of the

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Speaker 14: highlights there and I was like, there's nothing in this

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Speaker 14: that a regular New Zealand who is reading the news

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Speaker 14: needs to actually know about. This isn't something that people

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Speaker 14: need to know about. And I think David Seymour and

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Speaker 14: the ACT Party and the government as a wider institution

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Speaker 14: needs to worry about these things because people will cotton

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Speaker 14: onto the fact that just a press release alone it

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Speaker 14: doesn't mean you're doing something.

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Speaker 3: Yep, thank you. Okay, So how was the Maori Party

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Speaker 3: and ACT teaming up?

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Speaker 14: This is good because so it's an interesting segue, going

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Speaker 14: for something that means essentially nothing to something that is

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Speaker 14: actually a little bit more grounded in reality. So I've

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Speaker 14: been on about this for quite some time. Laura McClure,

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Speaker 14: who is an ACT Party MP, she submitted a member's mill,

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Speaker 14: a member's bill to essentially outlaw or to make it

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Speaker 14: illegal to have non consensual AI porn been made of

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Speaker 14: people across the country, and she has been she put

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Speaker 14: this in the members Bill and she's been really wanting

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Speaker 14: to get it across the line. Of course, you and

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Speaker 14: I know that a member's bill means absolutely not unless

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Speaker 14: it's drawn from the biscuit tin. However, there is a

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Speaker 14: process where you can essentially get it out of the

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Speaker 14: biscuit tin and put it on the government's agenda if

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Speaker 14: you get enough people across the line who are non

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Speaker 14: executive members of Parliament, that is, non ministers. Now ACT

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Speaker 14: have actually got the most unlikely of partners across the line,

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Speaker 14: Tea Party Mahty Hannah Rapati Mighty Clarke is working with

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Speaker 14: Laura McClure to get this bill out of the Biscuit

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Speaker 14: tin and onto the government's agenda. Now we're not quite

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Speaker 14: there yet. We need quite a few more MPs to

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Speaker 14: sign up to this. But this is I mean, you

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Speaker 14: don't see ACT and Tea Party Marty getting along this

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Speaker 14: well very often at all at Parliament, in Parliament full stop.

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Speaker 14: So I think this is a really good start for

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Speaker 14: a bill that I think is genuinely quite a good

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Speaker 14: piece of legislation. Paul Goldsmith I've talked to him about

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Speaker 14: this in the past and he says that there are

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Speaker 14: elements of the current legislation that which do dabble in

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Speaker 14: helping this sort of AI porn issue to be to

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Speaker 14: to be something that's dealt with from the police. But

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Speaker 14: Laura McClure has said that it actually doesn't quite get there.

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Speaker 14: So wait and see where this gets to. But I

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Speaker 14: think that the fact that you've got ACT and Tea

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Speaker 14: Party Marty joining sides is a pretty good indication to

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Speaker 14: the rest of Parliament.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jason, thanks very much. Jason Wolves News talks

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Speaker 3: Thereb's political letter to eight away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

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Speaker 15: Breakfast planance Minister Nicola Willis is back. Will us wages

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Speaker 15: at two point four and now below inflation, we're going backwards.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're using a different measure.

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Speaker 16: I use the average hourly yearning, which allows for the

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Speaker 16: fact that people get promotions and change job.

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Speaker 15: That roads worth Nicola, this is you're too political again.

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Speaker 15: I'm just looking at the number. Two point four is

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Speaker 15: below the rate of inflation for the.

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Speaker 17: Nasua you're using as a valid measure.

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Speaker 18: The measure I'm referring to allows the fact that people

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Speaker 18: twitch off.

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Speaker 15: Okay, we're going to run into trouble with each other again.

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Speaker 12: We are.

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Speaker 2: But you needs at least three.

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Speaker 15: More cuts and they've undercooked this and that's not helping.

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Speaker 2: You tell me I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: Well, every bank economist seems to agree with you.

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Speaker 15: Mike back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 15: with my these real estate news talk z.

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Speaker 3: Be hither On the fencing off of Wellington Waterfront. We

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Speaker 3: fenced off the bank overlooking Lake Topel for safety concerns.

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Speaker 3: Two drunk people at Christmas still cross the fence and

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Speaker 3: foul down the bank, seriously breaking some bones. You can't

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Speaker 3: fence for stupid Julie. Thank you. We're going to have

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Speaker 3: a chat to Tim Brown, one of the Wellington City

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Speaker 3: councilors that, of course Wellington City councils, I'm told Infrastructure

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Speaker 3: Committee with the one who voted this down. Today's well

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Speaker 3: have a chat to them.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Treasury is put out a report. It's come out today.

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Speaker 3: It shows that government overcooked spending during the pandemic, against

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Speaker 3: official advice and thereby harmed the economy. So what happened?

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Speaker 3: What I think is the interesting thing here is the

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Speaker 3: number of times that they warned Grant Robertson to slow

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Speaker 3: it down, slow it downslow it down, stop and it

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Speaker 3: didn't stop.

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Speaker 19: Right.

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Speaker 3: So after the twenty twenty election, Treasury informed Grant Robinson

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Speaker 3: that there was adequate fiscal space to support the economic recovery.

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Speaker 3: So you can still keep going, you can still keep

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Speaker 3: giving money out if you need to. But told him

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Speaker 3: to control it, right, don't just don't just money hose it,

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Speaker 3: just do it carefully. Then we get to August twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one. This is the start of the big lockdown

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Speaker 3: for Auckland. Treasury warns that any support to businesses should

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Speaker 3: take account of macroeconomic trade off. So what there saying is, yes,

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Speaker 3: you can support, but please think about inflation and everything

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Speaker 3: else that's going on here right think about it because

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Speaker 3: the stuff is going on. By Budget twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: which is the last is that the last budget he

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Speaker 3: does not it's the second last budget he does. Treasury

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Speaker 3: said it was recommending against any further stimulus, told him

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Speaker 3: to stop spending, and he didn't. Now, this will not

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Speaker 3: be a surprise to you that Grant Robertson turned on

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Speaker 3: that money hose and could not figure out how to

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Speaker 3: turn it off again. But this is the thing that

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Speaker 3: may surprise you. The briefing noted that five years on

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Speaker 3: from the beginning of the pandemic, as in now WISH

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Speaker 3: spending is still close to its pandemic era peak and

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Speaker 3: has only been partially offset by higher revenue. So you

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Speaker 3: already know that Grant knew how to spend and did spend,

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Speaker 3: But it may be a bit of surprise to you

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Speaker 3: to know that Nikoler knows how to spend and does

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Speaker 3: spend more than grant. So that's a bit of a problem,

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Speaker 3: right there, isn't it? Anyway We've got we haven't been

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Speaker 3: able to talk about it this entire show, but we've

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Speaker 3: got a bit of news on gas which is about

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Speaker 3: to hit. It's been embargoed until five o'clock and five

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Speaker 3: is approaching fast. I'm going to be able to tell

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Speaker 3: you about it after five.

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Speaker 20: Hang by, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you

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Speaker 20: trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupless on Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected news talks.

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Speaker 9: That'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest names in New Zealand agriculture, Balance

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Speaker 3: is going to close its factory for four months because

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Speaker 3: of the price of gas. Balance produces one third of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's nitrogen fertilizer. Its current gas contract runs out

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Speaker 3: in September and it hasn't secured a new deal yet.

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Speaker 3: Calvin Wick is the CEO at BALANCEE.

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Speaker 8: Calvin, Okay, how are you going?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you mate. Listen. Can you not get

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Speaker 3: a deal at all? Or can you just not get

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Speaker 3: a good deal now?

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Speaker 8: We just couldn't get a deal at affordable price that

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Speaker 8: we could make work.

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Speaker 3: How much more were they charging you than what is affordable.

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Speaker 8: We're within charges because we actually never got to reach

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Speaker 8: an agreement. But the bigger issue probably now is there's

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Speaker 8: just no supply available. The gas is gone elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: So even if you wanted to take a deal, you

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Speaker 3: cannot because there is none.

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Speaker 8: There's no supply that we can secure for long term basis.

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Speaker 8: Today we are hunting for short term gas, and if

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Speaker 8: we can find some short term gas, we'll use that,

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Speaker 8: but if we can't, then we'll be forced into a

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Speaker 8: short term shut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give me an idea of what we're talking about

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Speaker 3: here in terms of like what you were paying and

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Speaker 3: what you are looking at having to potentially pay now

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Speaker 3: if you do get gas.

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Speaker 8: I suppose it's pretty commercially sensed this. But you can

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Speaker 8: see the gas prices in the market have gone up

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Speaker 8: considerably for all players. And our challenge is we can't

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Speaker 8: pass the is on easily. We have to meet an

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Speaker 8: international input price parry.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what happens after four months?

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Speaker 8: So say we go from short term gas, it take

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Speaker 8: us for a period we go for a short term shut.

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Speaker 8: We need to have a long term supply agreement in

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Speaker 8: place at the end of that to give us some

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Speaker 8: satity to start up basically, and what if you can't,

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Speaker 8: then we'll be forced to either make a decision. Are

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Speaker 8: we going to wait longer because we can see a

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Speaker 8: line of sight to some gas, or otherwise we've forced

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Speaker 8: them to potentially permanence shut down or at least a

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Speaker 8: moth ball in the plant for a period that was

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Speaker 8: not on the card to the moment, But we have

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Speaker 8: to we have to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how high are the chances of that happening.

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Speaker 8: Ah, that's a difficult one to say. We think we

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Speaker 8: can get to see a line of sight to get

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Speaker 8: through the next year and then make a decision. And

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Speaker 8: the market is so dynamic at the moment it's hard

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Speaker 8: to know what the supply all the demand side is

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Speaker 8: going to look like in twelve months from today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you shut down in New Zealand, where do

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Speaker 3: you go?

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Speaker 8: We have to win port fully, So at the moment

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Speaker 8: we produce one third of news to nice in your rear,

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Speaker 8: we can import the balance. But then New Zealand newses

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Speaker 8: all that resilience in local manufacturer for our for our

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Speaker 8: agriculture industry.

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Speaker 3: You can't replace gas with anything else.

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Speaker 8: No, you need gas it's the energy source and the

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Speaker 8: feedstot sort the way you rear is produced today. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: long term you can do full of entrification, but that's

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Speaker 8: that's sort of a ten year play, a lot of expense,

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Speaker 8: and you need a whole lot more renewable energy at

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Speaker 8: the front end as well.

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Speaker 2: Tel.

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Speaker 3: Then we can't go on like this as an economy.

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Speaker 3: What do we do?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one big challenge for New Zealands is if

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Speaker 8: we want to support our local manufacturing and our export industry,

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Speaker 8: we're going to need reliable, affordable energy. So yeah, we're

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Speaker 8: welcome to how we can encourage solutions and get some

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Speaker 8: systems in place to build that resilience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, as you say, some things are

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Speaker 3: commercially sensitive, but what does what does four months mean

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Speaker 3: in terms of lost lost income for you guys, lost jobs.

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Speaker 8: We're going to keep all the people on for that

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Speaker 8: four month period and that's the balance here, keeping the

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Speaker 8: staff engaged, being able to for for that period, and

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Speaker 8: then to look for a long term gas much longer

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Speaker 8: than that, it starts to become financially pretty straining for us.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Calvin, thanks very much. Calvin Wickham, CEO of

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Speaker 3: Balanced agri nutrients.

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Speaker 2: Hever do for the ellens.

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Speaker 3: There are worries about Saint John's plan to cut their

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Speaker 3: community services. Saint John's plans to pull community care as

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Speaker 3: PET their therapy services and remove from in hospital volunteers

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Speaker 3: from in hospital emergency departments. And Daniels is the president

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Speaker 3: of the New Zealand Nurses Organization and with us Hi an.

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Speaker 18: Hi, how are you doing well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Practically what is this going to do to eds?

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Speaker 18: The fact is that we're absolutely hammered. Every single day

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Speaker 18: I get texts using the language has changed over the

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Speaker 18: last year or so. We've gone from any hours to

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Speaker 18: any hours. Desperate will take anything text for nursing staff.

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Speaker 18: So in that context, with the huge nursing stuff and

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Speaker 18: gaps and the unsafe work environment, we absolutely rely on

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Speaker 18: our friends of the Emergencies Department, Sint John's volunteers to

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Speaker 18: actually help us make sure that our patients are not

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Speaker 18: absolutely left in the corridor alone and thinking has everybody

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Speaker 18: forgotten me? They are doing an amazing job. They keep

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Speaker 18: people comfortable, they reassure them, they come and get us

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Speaker 18: if they think there's something going on. Without them, we

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Speaker 18: will be lost.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this is about money for St.

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Speaker 18: John Well, Saint John's is denying that, and I have

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Speaker 18: to question that because even though these volunteers don't get paid,

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Speaker 18: there is an infrastructure costs and like everybody these days,

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Speaker 18: funding is less than it should be. And I susc

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Speaker 18: that's the same for Saint John's. But I can't say,

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Speaker 18: hand on heart, I know that for a fact. But

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Speaker 18: logic says that that is the problem.

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Speaker 3: So if it is about money, then can it be

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Speaker 3: turned around? Do you think with donations?

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Speaker 18: I don't think it should be. I actually think Saint

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Speaker 18: John's should be fully funded by the government to do

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Speaker 18: the job that they are doing right now. And we've

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Speaker 18: heard stories about Saint John's not being able to get

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Speaker 18: to people in time. We've heard stories about the ambulances

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Speaker 18: getting there too late, in people dying. But you know,

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Speaker 18: this is the Paige Saint John's workforce. There's not enough

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Speaker 18: of them. There are not enough ambulances out in the

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Speaker 18: rural area. Most of the stations of are manned by volunteers.

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Speaker 18: Are they also going to be cut? If they are,

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Speaker 18: that is going to be horrendous for our rural communities.

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Speaker 18: And when we've got a government saying that's standing up

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Speaker 18: for reducing and eliminating a post code lottery. Well, I

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Speaker 18: can't see it happening, and.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time. Thank you. And Daniel's New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Nurses Organization President.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper Cela.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Heather, but what is Nikola willis achieving with the

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Speaker 3: money as opposed to Grant Robertson. This is read the

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Speaker 3: Treasury report that's come out about the COVID spending, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, we are still spending at the same

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Speaker 3: level that we were during COVID, all very close to

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to the huddle about that shortly. Also, if

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Speaker 3: you have been weirdly fascinated by how fascinated the media

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Speaker 3: are with school lunches, there's an interesting little yarn here

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Speaker 3: for me to tell you, and I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: it before the half past, So stand by fourteen past

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Speaker 3: five you may have heard businesses more than just a text,

872
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Speaker 3: but let's be real, if you can't even get a

873
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Speaker 3: text through, then you're in real trouble, aren't you. And

874
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Speaker 3: at One New Zealand they get this, and that's why

875
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: they've been working hard to give you more than just

876
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Speaker 3: traditional mobile coverage. Recently, you've heard me talking about One

877
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Speaker 3: New Zealand satellite. This is the first and only satellite

878
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: how mobile network in the country lets you do business

879
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: in the wop wops or if disaster strikes and traditional

880
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: cell towers failure, you can still text for a hand

881
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Speaker 3: I've been raving about it. Now you can try it

882
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: for free for thirty days with an eligible phone plass.

883
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: The awards speak for themselves here. One New Zealand has

884
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: again been named the best mobile network in New Zealand

885
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: for an impressive fourth year in a row, according to

886
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Speaker 3: independent testing by Elmlaud. So do you want the best

887
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: for your business is a really simple question. Do you

888
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Speaker 3: want the best for your business, then choose One New

889
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: Zealand the best mobile network for a better New Zealand.

890
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy whether the.

891
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: Previous government is utterly shafted businesses around energy supply and

892
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: they're still actively talking about rebanning Yip, Yep, they're talking

893
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 3: about it, talked about it again yesterday. The band's still

894
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: coming from labor eighteen past five. Now common sense has

895
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 3: prevailed in Wellington today Wellington City Council has voted down

896
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Speaker 3: a planned to fence off most of the waterfront at

897
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Speaker 3: Queen's Wolf and Kumutoto around the TSB Area. Councilor Tim

898
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Speaker 3: Brown is the chair of the Environment and Infrastructure Committee

899
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Speaker 3: and with us right now, Haye.

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Speaker 17: Tim, good evening.

901
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Speaker 3: Did you vote it.

902
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Speaker 5: Down because I felt that we had met our responsibilities

903
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: and respective safety by spending the vicinity of eight million

904
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: dollars to improve the lighting around the waterfront and a

905
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: number of other initiatives, and that the best thing for

906
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Speaker 5: us to in terms of, as you said, common sense approach,

907
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: was to sit back and have a look at the

908
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Speaker 5: effective of what we've already done before we do what,

909
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: before we decide if we need to do something additional.

910
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, see if the lights work. Basically, what did you

911
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: make of the fact that the officials wanted you guys

912
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Speaker 3: to rush this through without talking to the public first.

913
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Speaker 5: I think they were taking a very very, very risk

914
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Speaker 5: averse approach, you know, which is reasonable because I mean

915
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 5: public servants are both local and central, are not paid

916
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Speaker 5: to take risks, and so they were taking a very

917
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 5: very low risk approach, which of course would molly coddle

918
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Speaker 5: us to the maximum possible extent. And that's the road

919
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Speaker 5: cone problem that we all constantly encounter. So I mean,

920
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Speaker 5: it was perfectly reasonable for them to actually do that,

921
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Speaker 5: but I think that's where we had to apply a

922
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Speaker 5: slightly different lens.

923
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Speaker 3: So do you think that, I mean, are you of

924
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Speaker 3: the view that there is a balance to be struck

925
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Speaker 3: here between Yeah, a reasonable amount of safety, but also

926
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Speaker 3: personal responsibility.

927
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Speaker 5: Not necessarily, I didn't really look at the personal responsibility thing.

928
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Speaker 5: I don't think that's a contributing factor to the thinking

929
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Speaker 5: I think it is. It is very much a case

930
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Speaker 5: of saying, we've spent, as I say, about eight million

931
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Speaker 5: dollars improving the safety of the waterfront. Let's see if

932
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Speaker 5: what the effect of that is. I mean, we're not

933
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Speaker 5: we don't really we're not taking into account why people

934
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Speaker 5: fall into the sea.

935
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Speaker 12: You know.

936
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Speaker 5: It's but if they still continue to fall into deceive

937
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Speaker 5: even if we've now lit the place very well, then

938
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Speaker 5: a obviously have to do something differently. Oh okay, it's

939
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Speaker 5: just it's not just about lighting. I mean, we've also

940
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Speaker 5: got things like CCTV. If we see behavior that is

941
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Speaker 5: reckless or risky, we're not going to say, oh my goodness,

942
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Speaker 5: these people are reckless. Therefore that's a tough luck. We're

943
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Speaker 5: still going to be very concerned about anybody who might

944
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Speaker 5: end up in dangering themselves.

945
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Speaker 3: Tim, it's good to talk to you. Thank you, Tim Brown,

946
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Speaker 3: Wellington City councilor five twenty.

947
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Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive

948
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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd been.

949
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Speaker 3: Five twenty three.

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Speaker 18: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I took away from yesterday's release of the

952
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Speaker 3: annual report of the Grocery Commissioner. We need to get

953
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Speaker 3: rid of the grocery Commissioner. I have no beef. I mean,

954
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Speaker 3: I don't want this to be seen for me having

955
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: a beef with Pea Vanhead and himself. I don't. I

956
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: just have a beef with his job because he and

957
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: his team are costing us more than seven million dollars

958
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: a year even though they cannot fix the supermarket problem.

959
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: He admits this himself. He told us yesterday on the

960
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Speaker 3: show he does not have the tools to get the

961
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Speaker 3: supermarket sect disorted quickly, in which case, what is he

962
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: actually there for. I mean, the best that he can do,

963
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: by the looks of things, is exert long term pressure

964
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Speaker 3: through huge reports like the one he delivered yesterday. Reports

965
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: like that are close to pointless for you and I,

966
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: we're not going to read them. They end up with

967
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: all the other reports floating around the internet wasting space

968
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: completely unread. The only reason reports like that exist is

969
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: to justify something, so someone like Nichola Willis can pop

970
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: up in a few weeks time like she plans to

971
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: and announce that she's doing XYZ to supermarkets and then

972
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: quote the most damning things in this report is justification

973
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: that I'm sorry, is not a reason to keep a

974
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: seven million dollar a year outfit going. If you want

975
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: to report to justify what you're doing, then commissioner report,

976
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: it's a one off cost. You don't have to keep

977
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 3: a job going at the cost of seven million dollars

978
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: a year for decades in order to justify what you're

979
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: about to do. As far as I can see, the

980
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: most effective action against supermarkets in the last wee while

981
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: has actually been the charges that have been laid over

982
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: misleading pricing and anti competitive behavior that has happened under

983
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: laws that existed before the Grocery Commissioner. They were laid

984
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Speaker 3: by the Commas Commission, which is an outfit that existed

985
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: before the Grocery Commissioner, which leads you to the conclusion

986
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Speaker 3: that you do not need the grocery.

987
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 2: Commissioner together do to see Allen.

988
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, the tariffs kicked in

989
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: one hour and twenty five minutes ago, didn't they. So

990
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 3: we're in the thick of it now. People were going

991
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: at it fifteen percent come in our way. Now, here's

992
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: a little interesting insight into at least one media outlet's

993
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 3: obsession with school lunches. Because I'm sure you know, we're

994
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: probably all looked at this and gone, wow, that's a

995
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: lot of interest in why are you still talking about Wow,

996
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: we've moved on from the school lunches, you're still talking

997
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, here might be why. Turns out the

998
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: reporter at the Press in christ Church who has been

999
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: going really hard on the school lunch's story, may have

1000
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: been going really hard on the school lunch's story because

1001
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: of what her previous job was. Her previous job was

1002
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: working as the director of communications for Health Coalition alts

1003
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: HEAT or that's the outfit that's the one harping on

1004
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: all the time about the school lunch. As they hate

1005
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: the school lunch, as they hate David Cemore. It's just terrible.

1006
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: The whole thing is terrible. She used to work for them.

1007
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: Now I'm not going to name her because I don't

1008
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: like the idea of I don't like the idea of

1009
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: kind of like getting everybody to troll somebody. So you

1010
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: don't need to know that. But what you need to

1011
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: know is that she left the job at the Health

1012
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 3: Coalition Altsia at or in April. While she was there,

1013
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: she was posting things on Twitter like the government has

1014
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: sunk to a new low with today's announcement that they

1015
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: will replace high quality and blah blah blah, you know,

1016
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: like just hating on the government. So she left that

1017
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: job in April, went straight to stuff, started reporting on

1018
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: school lunches example, So I went through. I thought it

1019
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: can't have been that many. Yep, serious concerns. Officials urged

1020
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: school lunch firms be dumped before one hundred and seventy

1021
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: million dollar deal million. Next story, millions of aluminium school

1022
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: lunch trays heading to landfill. Next story, Ministry of Education

1023
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: opens tender for new three dollar primary school lunches contract.

1024
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: Next story, school lunch numbers down as students reject bland meals.

1025
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: Next to youse boring and David cmol withhold school lunch criticism,

1026
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: but shared the praise. Next story, and this one's from today,

1027
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Speaker 3: school leaders welcome official probe into school lunch program. With

1028
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: all of that, what was that like six stories that

1029
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: was just in the last month, so old mates prolific

1030
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: and obviously got something going on. Anyway, now you have

1031
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: an idea of maybe why some at least there is

1032
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: some media obsession with it, because well there's a connection

1033
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: right there. This, by the way, this particular case went

1034
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 3: to the Media Council. The complaint was that this particular

1035
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: reporter had done a story left David Seymour comment out

1036
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: of the story, which shows a lack of balance, and

1037
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: that she should have disclosed that she had previously basically

1038
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: been in a job that was anti school lunches. The employer,

1039
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: the press didn't think that was necessary. They thought journalists

1040
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: can be impartial. I think we can see that that's

1041
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: not the case. The Media Council upheld the complaint. But

1042
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: this is the kind of stuff I would argue that

1043
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: makes people not trust the media anymore. What do you

1044
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: think he's us?

1045
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: Next? We can dance. We can dance on that.

1046
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1047
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1048
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected.

1049
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: News talks that'd be.

1050
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: Right for puddle standing by Phil Goff and Jordan Williams.

1051
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: This evening after six o'clock, we're going to speak to

1052
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Speaker 3: E Road. Remember, these are the guys who are probably

1053
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: going to be the most likely going to be the

1054
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: ones rolling out the system where we pay the road

1055
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: user charges instead of the petrol tax. Right now, it's

1056
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: twenty five away from six now. There are mistakes in

1057
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Speaker 3: the new math's workbooks from the Ministry of Education. Some

1058
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Speaker 3: of these were quite frankly absolute clangers. A question for

1059
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Speaker 3: the year seven's incorrectly referred to rectangles as triangles, and

1060
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Speaker 3: one answer in a book for the year force was

1061
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Speaker 3: listed as oney twenty four when it was supposed to

1062
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Speaker 3: be nine eight hundred and seventy five. Lucy Naylor as

1063
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Speaker 3: Auckland Primary Principals Association President, who's met with the Ministry

1064
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Speaker 3: today to discuss this. Hey, Lucy, hi Header, some of

1065
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: the stuff sounds really dumb, but eighteen errors in workbooks

1066
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Speaker 3: for six different year groups probably isn't that bad, right

1067
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 3: look at I think.

1068
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Speaker 16: It's a small number of errors give and that you're dealing.

1069
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Speaker 3: With four providers.

1070
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Speaker 9: Across eight years.

1071
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Speaker 16: Of learning, there's no doubt that those ers shouldn't have ocurred.

1072
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Speaker 16: But I also think it's probably reflective of the pace

1073
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Speaker 16: of change that the providers had to produce the resources.

1074
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Speaker 16: The other point I would say as well is that

1075
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Speaker 16: given the math resources have been given free to schools

1076
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Speaker 16: by the government, it kind of outweighs the errors. Yeah,

1077
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Speaker 16: you know, the additional support definitely outweighs the number of

1078
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Speaker 16: errors at this point. Another point as well is that

1079
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Speaker 16: the math resources are a very small part of a

1080
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Speaker 16: math program roughly, but it should be about five percent

1081
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Speaker 16: of your math program is made up of using the resource.

1082
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Speaker 16: So look, while it's you know, obviously not ideal, I

1083
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Speaker 16: don't think in the long term it's going to make

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Speaker 16: a massive amount of impact. I think there've been minimum

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Speaker 16: long term impact of this, and I believe I think

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Speaker 16: I'm right in saying that the errors have been corrected already.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you had a meeting today with the Ministry

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Speaker 3: of Education. What was the point of that?

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Speaker 16: That was actually a meeting around reporting to parents and

1090
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 16: unpacking different aspects of.

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Speaker 3: Reporting to parents. Okay, how fast did these guys have

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Speaker 3: to prepare these books if they made such, you know,

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Speaker 3: basic errors.

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Speaker 14: I couldn't.

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Speaker 16: I don't know the specifics of the timeline, but the

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Speaker 16: IRIFP was put out in about November last year, so

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Speaker 16: it was quite a quick turnaround. And if you think

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Speaker 16: of the volume that those providers were having to publish.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of books.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, so I guess what, are we surprised there's a

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Speaker 16: few errors? Probably not, but I do think that, look,

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Speaker 16: it is reflected with that pace of change, but across

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Speaker 16: the volume of reesel that was produced, it's fairly small.

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Speaker 16: And yeah, the minimal there will be absolutely minimal long

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Speaker 16: term impact for those children.

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Speaker 3: Lucy, Thanks very much, Lucy Naylor. Auckland Primary Principles Association

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Speaker 3: Presidents coming up twenty two away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle of me this evening we have Jordan

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Speaker 3: William's Taxpayers Union and Phil GoF, former Auckland mayor, former

1112
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Speaker 3: High Comissioner to the UK, former Labor Party Captain minister.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too, Hello Jordan. Should Wellington build a fence

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Speaker 3: around its waterfront.

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Speaker 21: Well, it should at least consult with the public on

1116
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 21: it to see that. For once common sense broke out

1117
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 21: at Wellington Council. Look at your real issue was worried

1118
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 21: about drunken politicians jumping into the water in the middle

1119
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 21: of the knife and something bad happening. Surely be chief

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Speaker 21: you just put a fence around a council and round

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Speaker 21: the waterfront.

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Speaker 3: In all serious notes, seriousness, Phil, there have been a

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Speaker 3: number of young people especially who have got a on

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Speaker 3: the raz and ended up in the drink and not

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Speaker 3: survived right, And so it is a risk. The question

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Speaker 3: is if you can be blunt about it, The question

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Speaker 3: is do you fence off the entire thing and ruin

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Speaker 3: it for everybody? Because about seven people have died in

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Speaker 3: the space of.

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Speaker 19: Twenty years, Yeah, I think there's I went back and

1131
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Speaker 19: just checked the records on that one. There's been nine

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Speaker 19: deaths and three that were almost deaths. So you're talking

1133
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Speaker 19: about a significant number of people, some no doubt reflecting

1134
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Speaker 19: the fact that there are a lot of bars around

1135
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 19: that part of the world. But you know, people do

1136
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 19: stupid things. That doesn't mean to say you want them

1137
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Speaker 19: to die as a result of it. Some were quite

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00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 19: elderly and simply had an accident, fell off. I think

1139
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Speaker 19: they're not fencing the whole of the thing and what

1140
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 19: the paper went up to the council to do. But

1141
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 19: the Kuma Toto and the Queen's warf area. I know

1142
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 19: it used to wander down there, you know during the

1143
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 19: dinner break sometimes you get a bit of fresh air

1144
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 19: from the stale atmosphere of Parliament. Look, I think almost

1145
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Speaker 19: inevitably they'll have to put the fence in. Should they consult?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, no, I looked you You imagine you imagine what

1148
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 19: the consequences were if somebody fell off that and died tomorrow,

1149
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 19: and you had ignored a coroner's clear direction that there

1150
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 19: was an urgent need to remedy a safety problem that

1151
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 19: had caused nine deaths and since two thousand and six

1152
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Speaker 19: and nearly caused others. You wouldn't have a leg to

1153
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Speaker 19: stand on if you ignored that recommendation and that death toll.

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Speaker 3: Do you think children that it's an inevitability?

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Speaker 2: No, no, I don't.

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Speaker 21: I'm interested of that number. How many of those deaths

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Speaker 21: related to people climbing the crane old crane things that

1158
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 21: a beautiful, old historic when you count stop couldn't stop

1159
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Speaker 21: people climbing over to climb.

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Speaker 19: Of course it wasn't. Yeah, of course it wouldn't stop that.

1161
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Speaker 19: And I don't and I don't think. I don't think

1162
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Speaker 19: that the guy that jumped off the crane, which was

1163
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Speaker 19: an act of total stupidity, is included in that death

1164
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Speaker 19: that death total. I'd have to go back and check,

1165
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Speaker 19: but there were a couple of people that simply slipped

1166
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Speaker 19: off the edge. It's fairly narrow, as you know down there.

1167
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Speaker 19: There's a lot of traffic on it, bike, skateboarders, the

1168
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Speaker 19: whole lot, and there's a clear risk. So you know,

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Speaker 19: it's funny that you have to fence your swimming pool.

1170
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Speaker 19: I don't have kids anymore, but I have to have

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Speaker 19: a fence around the swimming pool. And I don't gristle

1172
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Speaker 19: about that.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 8: That's the way it is.

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Speaker 19: And there are a lot of kids that did die,

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Speaker 19: and you get visitors from time to time. But we've

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Speaker 19: got a clear area where there are a lot of

1178
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Speaker 19: fatalities and it's not just a one off. Yeah, it's

1179
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Speaker 19: common sense that you need to do something about it.

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Speaker 21: Man, it's a huge rightly champion public access onto the

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Speaker 21: Auckland waterfront, not the text thasum. But my business is

1182
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Speaker 21: actually based down on Queens Wild sorry, Princess Wharf, and

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Speaker 21: that is a working port. Were regularly reminded you couldn't

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Speaker 21: possibly put a fence around there because you know, I

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Speaker 21: would mean that the port couldn't use it.

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Speaker 2: How do you have it both ways.

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Speaker 21: Or balance that between public access versus an inner city

1188
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Speaker 21: port with the benefit that brings.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well you're not going to stop public access. You're

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Speaker 19: going to have public access there. Secondly, they're not necessarily

1191
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Speaker 19: going to fence the whole area. They're going to fence

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Speaker 19: the area where there is a clear risk shine by

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Speaker 19: the fact there's been quite a number of fatalities as

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Speaker 19: well as a number of near misses, people that nearly died. So,

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Speaker 19: as you said, it is a matter of balance and

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Speaker 19: you have to balance those factors out. But if I

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Speaker 19: was making that decision, Look, I don't know what the

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Speaker 19: legal liability of the council would be if they fail

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Speaker 19: to act on a coroner's recommendation and then another couple

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Speaker 19: of people die. You know, and there are people down

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Speaker 19: there with kids, and the kids you know what kids

1202
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Speaker 19: are like. The young kids. You don't have them on

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Speaker 19: a leash. They run around, They could fall into the water.

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Speaker 19: You I think you'd be at risk of something.

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Speaker 3: Fall in the water. You fished them out. Again, they

1206
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: need to fall in the water to learn that you

1207
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: can fall in the water.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, But the people that fell in the water went

1210
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 19: fished out and they died. Three were fished out, nearly died.

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Speaker 3: I was struck it by the kids. Hey, listen very quickly.

1212
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Speaker 3: I just want to get your take on each of this,

1213
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: right on this, each of your take, Sorry, Jordan. How

1214
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: bad is it? Is there anything that we can do

1215
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: to stop businesses shutting down and mothballing because of the

1216
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: gas prices? How bad is it if there is nothing

1217
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: we can do? Which is the situation we're in?

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Speaker 21: I mean that's I mean we were witnessing the de industrialization.

1219
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 21: I think that it was I think the most shocking

1220
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 21: staff I've seen the last six months was it the

1221
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 21: final quarter of last year. It came out in about

1222
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 21: April electricity usage was down by eighteen percent. That wasn't

1223
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Speaker 21: even in only twelve months, and that was not during

1224
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 21: the peak squeat sorry, the winter squeeze. There is you

1225
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 21: know the fact is a country that should have cheap

1226
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 21: electricity and cheap power and cheap energy between, but all

1227
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 21: sources of industrial heat is now incredibly expensive and there's

1228
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 21: quite a long leading time with the stuff, and the

1229
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 21: chickens are coming home to roast. I mean you feel

1230
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 21: its domestic customers. It's quite a long lag effect. It

1231
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 21: takes a few years to flow through. But you only

1232
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 21: need especially you got kids and getting stupidly high electricity

1233
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 21: bills to see it. Well that's industrial New Zella now

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00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 21: for a few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Phil. I want your take on it when

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Speaker 3: we come back from the break sixteen away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones for

1238
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Speaker 1: Unmasked Results.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with a huddle, Phil Golf and Jordan Williams. Phil,

1240
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: what do you make of the situation with gas? Can

1241
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: we do anything to stop this?

1242
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 19: Well, if you want a cheap generation, it's not going

1243
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 19: to be by gas. Gas costs you about one hundred

1244
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 19: and seventy dollars per mega. Water to generate wood is

1245
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 19: about sixty to eighty and falling sols around sixty to

1246
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 19: one hundred and ten and falling and a hydro and

1247
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 19: probably're not going to do much more with hydro, but

1248
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 19: geothermal is also another source. What's the problem with gas, Well,

1249
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 19: you've got a declining domestic supply, the big fields of

1250
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 19: Maoi and Pohukura are running out, and you've got international pressures,

1251
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 19: you know, the sanctions on Russia, low dollar and all those.

1252
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: So are you men just fatalistic about what's happening with

1253
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 3: these businesses? And no, there's nothing we can do.

1254
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 19: No, no, no, I'm not being fatalistic about it. I'm

1255
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 19: saying you've got to look at alternative supplies of energy

1256
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 19: generation other than gas, because gas is not the cheapest

1257
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 19: and will never be the cheapest and has the other

1258
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 19: problems associated with climate chure, you're self imposed.

1259
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Speaker 21: Come on, we're the only country in the world that's

1260
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 21: reducing gas usage in favor of building up coal stocks because.

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Speaker 8: We stopped the will and gas expiration.

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Speaker 19: No, no, no, look at if you could your life. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1263
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 19: I'm sure. And they don't have any vested interest in it.

1264
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 19: But I do know this that we've signed up under

1265
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 19: both both governments to emission's uh CARB and mission payments,

1266
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 19: and they're going to become more and more expensive. We've signed,

1267
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 19: We've tried, not what methods we've signed, We've signed treaties,

1268
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 19: trading treaties where we've guaranteed that will meet what we've

1269
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 19: set out and are obligated to meet, that will put

1270
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 19: our trading relied them those things, that's those things are

1271
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 19: serious issues. You can't ignore them. I went to a

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Speaker 19: lot of London last year with a climate change minister,

1273
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 19: hard headed businessmen in the city of London, and they said,

1274
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 19: you've got to do more to deal with the problems

1275
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 19: of climate change because so many of your places will

1276
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 19: become uninsurable unless you have adaptation and unless we do

1277
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 19: the mitigation that we need to do.

1278
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Speaker 12: They're not they're not.

1279
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Speaker 19: Green, they're hard headed insurers and everybody.

1280
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Speaker 9: That's pay.

1281
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: And the side of the political spectrum you want. It's

1282
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 3: not going to happen. We're not going to meet those targets.

1283
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 3: All we can do is adapt. That's the truth.

1284
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 19: Well, well, we've taken action to make it sure that

1285
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 19: we won't meet those targets. There are other things that

1286
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 19: we could have done. You know, we all carry on

1287
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 19: about China creating so much. China now has the best battery,

1288
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 19: the best electric car supply, and dealing with their emissions problems.

1289
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 19: We haven't shown the same We haven't shown the same determination.

1290
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 19: And Donald Trump's course doing exactly the opposite.

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01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 3: China's not a leading when it comes to what we

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01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: do with the climate. How very quickly, guys, Okay, Jordan,

1293
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: how damning do you think it is that Treasury warned

1294
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: Grant robertson multiple times to rain in the COVID spending

1295
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Speaker 3: and he didn't.

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Speaker 21: Well, yeah, I mean, what in fairness, neither has Nichola Willis?

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Speaker 21: You know, I mean, there's a percentage of the economy

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Speaker 21: of government's now bigger. We're borrowing at a faster rate

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Speaker 21: than when Grant Robinson leafed office. And you saw these

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Speaker 21: unbelievable public servet numbers out last week showing that the

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Speaker 21: bureaucracy is currently larger than it was when Labor left

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Speaker 21: left office. Yes, obviously, you know I would say that,

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Speaker 21: you know, it was outrageous that, you know, the rest

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Speaker 21: of the world turned off turned down the tap again,

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Speaker 21: and New Zealand didn't. But we're still turning it on harder.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And Phil, how damning is it that Nichola Willis is

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Speaker 3: still spending as much as Grant Robertson did at the

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Speaker 3: height of the pandemic.

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Speaker 19: Well, you can't quite not going on that's that's a fact.

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Speaker 19: But you know, just think back to what happened during COVID.

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Speaker 19: Every small business, every industrial group was lobbying the government

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Speaker 19: to do more to help them because they talked about

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Speaker 19: having to mass lay off and an almighty recession caused

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Speaker 19: by COVID and the measures taken to combat OVID.

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Speaker 9: So it's wise.

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Speaker 19: It maybe wise after the event. At the time, we

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Speaker 19: were pretty damn pleased that there were subsidies to keep

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Speaker 19: people employed and people with incomes and industry are going

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Speaker 19: rather than going bankrupt. So you want to think of

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Speaker 19: it in that context.

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Speaker 3: Jordan, did you want to correct me?

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Speaker 21: Well, we're not spending at the very height of COVID.

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Speaker 8: That would be yielding the lily.

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Speaker 21: But the point is that the rest of the world

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Speaker 21: pulled back a lot harder. We're knowing near.

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Speaker 8: Where we were pre COVID.

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Speaker 21: And the fact is that the market is sending a

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Speaker 21: signal right now, a ten year bond.

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Speaker 8: Yields higher than the UK.

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Speaker 21: The colaxons are flashing, the government gets grief a so

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Speaker 21: called cuts the spending. It's actually only slowed down the growth.

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Speaker 21: You know, the government was elected to pull back and

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Speaker 21: it actually isn't.

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Speaker 3: Guys. It is lovely to chat to the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Phil GoF Jordan Williams are huddle

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Speaker 3: eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News TALKSZB.

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Speaker 3: Heather Balance has been trying to invest in wind turbines.

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Speaker 3: This is apropofil goth saying our gas is dead. You've

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Speaker 3: got to get the wind and the solar and the

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Speaker 3: rain and all the good stuff. Heather Balance has been

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Speaker 3: trying to invest in wind turbines near the Cuphoodie plant

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Speaker 3: for many years, but all the plans have been consistently

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Speaker 3: blocked by the local EWE. Deborah, thank you for that, Hither.

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Speaker 3: Oh actually this is for Jordan, Jordan. The fact is

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Speaker 3: New Zealand saved way more lives than anywhere else. What

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Speaker 3: price is a life for a thousand lives? Oh, dear God, Bill,

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Speaker 3: how many lives did we save? How many? Listen?

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Speaker 8: Is it just me?

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Speaker 3: Tell me if I'm wrong? But when I was reading

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Speaker 3: Jacinder's book She was going on about everything, everything that

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Speaker 3: she justifies in the books. She said, but we save

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Speaker 3: twenty thousand loves, but we save twenty thousand lives, but

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Speaker 3: we save twenty thousand loves. What was beatty? What was

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Speaker 3: the name of that one? Who is a Plank? Michael Plank,

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Speaker 3: the one of the number boy from Yeah, he who

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Speaker 3: crunched the numbers for COVID, didn't Michael Planks say when

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Speaker 3: he put his book out and went on Q and A,

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Speaker 3: he said, Nah, Saw and Handy that's who it was. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: sure with the cheeks, Jubby little checks Shawny Indy. When

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Speaker 3: he put out his book and he was on with

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Speaker 3: Jack on Q and A, he was going on, I

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Speaker 3: never said twenty thousand, So hang on to take care host, right?

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Speaker 3: Is it Sewna did the numbers? Who was like, No,

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Speaker 3: I never said twenty thousand. I don't know where that

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Speaker 3: came from. That wasn't real number? Or is it just

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Speaker 3: Inindo who's going twenty twenty thousand? Anyway, it is still

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Speaker 3: just apropos. What you said, Bill is still up. It's

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Speaker 3: still up for debate, isn't it. We're still trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out. I mean, there is a lot of contention

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Speaker 3: around how many lives we actually saved, So let's just

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Speaker 3: see I think it. We'll only figure this one out

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Speaker 3: in the long run. Hey, I've got an update for

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Speaker 3: your Murray Deeka's tree. This was the meeting that they

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Speaker 3: had yesterday, the council meeting. EWE didn't turn up to

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Speaker 3: the meeting. Two greenees did turn up to the meeting.

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Speaker 3: Five of the residents made submissions, so you've got a

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Speaker 3: higher proportion of people who want the tree gone than

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Speaker 3: people who want the tree to continue to lie on

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Speaker 3: the private property turning up to the meeting. In the

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Speaker 3: written submissions, thirty eight before removing the tree, two were

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Speaker 3: for keeping it lying on the grounds of an apartment complex.

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Speaker 3: So obviously the trees got to go. Because if it's

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Speaker 3: thirty eight to four removal and two against removal, I

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Speaker 3: think removal wins, don't you. Anyway, We're just waiting on

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Speaker 3: the council too. As Murray Old said, early find some

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Speaker 3: testicular fortitude in order to be mad in order to

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Speaker 3: make what they obviously considered to be a very difficult decision.

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Speaker 3: I've got another good piece of good news for you.

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Speaker 3: They've arrested another guy for bashing a baby. It's a

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Speaker 3: different baby. It's the difference to the one I was

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Speaker 3: talking about Yesterday's all of a sudden, We've got all

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Speaker 3: these arrests happening, and I'm very thrilled about it. Three

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Speaker 3: months old from wired it up. It was taken to

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Speaker 3: Masterton Hospital with critical injuries in July. Oh mate, I

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Speaker 3: think he's twenty three, so not that old. Was arrested

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Speaker 3: in Hawk's Bay yesterday. He's been charged with wounding with

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Speaker 3: intent to cause grievous bodily harm and contravening a protection order.

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Speaker 3: And one can only wish the best to him for

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Speaker 3: that court. And do you know what, I would thank

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Speaker 3: you to the police for letting us know. I'm sincerely

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Speaker 3: hoping the local media will cover this and we'll just

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on it, which keept talking about to say,

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Speaker 3: so we know what's going on with our babies. Talk

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Speaker 3: to air Road next us talk said.

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Speaker 1: B what's up, what's down? What with a major cause

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Speaker 1: and how will it affect the economy? The big business

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Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with head Duplicy Allen and

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Speaker 1: Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions used Talks.

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: DV Evening Sam Dickie's look at how our economy is

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Speaker 3: doing compared to the rest of the world. He's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us after half pass six, run us

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Speaker 3: through it. Jamie McKay on the Balanced News and Ender

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Speaker 3: Brady does the UK for us at seven past six.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: One of the lingering questions after yesterday's announcement on the

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 3: road user charges v petrol tax shakeup is how this

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Speaker 3: is going to work. Well, there's a key we company

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01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: called E Road based in Auckland. It's already delivering exactly

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01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: this for our trucking industry. Mark Heine is the co

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Speaker 3: CEO of E Road.

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Speaker 17: Hey, Mark, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Mark explains to me how you guys do this.

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Speaker 17: So look, Ebotechnology has been around for a number of

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Speaker 17: years a group and in the heappy vehicle space. So

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 17: to have eruck you need three things. One, you need

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Speaker 17: to know the distance.

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Speaker 12: Travel by a vehicle.

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Speaker 17: Seeking, you need a platform the collects that data and

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Speaker 17: enables payment for use of the roads. And finally need

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Speaker 17: that data connection. So those three elements correct this erruck

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Speaker 17: system to enable pain for use of the roads.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, if I have a new car, I imagine

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Speaker 3: reasonably no, Actually, let me imagine assume nothing. If I

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Speaker 3: have a new car bought it last year, Let's just

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Speaker 3: say what do I need to install?

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Speaker 17: Look, many new cars already are connected. They already have

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Speaker 17: a SIM card and then so it's simply a matter

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Speaker 17: of an API.

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Speaker 12: I've been switched on.

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 17: Data flows through and you can make your payment straight away. Now,

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Speaker 17: as the Minister mentioned, they want it to be as

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Speaker 17: easy as paying for Netflix. The technology is already there.

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Speaker 2: To enable that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, old car, old car, you.

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 17: Need probably some aftermarket hardware. So if you've go to Sydney,

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Speaker 17: you see this all toll tags and vehicles just near

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01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 17: some of that. Something really unobtrusive, easy to install, collects

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Speaker 17: data and then transmit it back to the platform, and

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 17: you gain paid in credit easily, just like Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Of how much does that cost?

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 12: So we're still.

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Speaker 17: Working through with the government the pricing for that, but

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Speaker 17: our target is to get it as cheap as possible.

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Speaker 17: That toll tag and Sydney costs around forty dollars to buy.

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Speaker 17: We'd like to see something around that price, if not

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Speaker 17: lower than that.

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Speaker 3: Can it be gained?

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Speaker 17: Can it can be gained? Look for all these things,

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Speaker 17: you have robust technology and Tampa proof protections in them.

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Speaker 17: We've got one hundred and fifty thousand pieces of a

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Speaker 17: hardware out there. People aren't gaming them. It's pretty robust

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Speaker 17: and reliable.

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Speaker 3: You can't wind the odometer backcutter cable do something like that.

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Speaker 17: Not for the sort of technology. No, you can't.

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Speaker 3: How sure are you of that? Because you know we

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Speaker 3: find ways, don't we mark?

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Speaker 17: Look, kerries are very creative and have a lot of ingenuity.

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Speaker 17: But a good thing is this relies on GPS technology.

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Speaker 17: It's fairly robust and really reliable. We last you create

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Speaker 17: the closest billion dollars on calf the government without costing assent,

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Speaker 17: and it's off the back of really robust, reliable technology.

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Speaker 17: You can't really tackle.

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Speaker 3: With how do authorities know if that white car driving

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Speaker 3: down the road hasn't paid their rucks?

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Speaker 17: So there's good technology you can start using now, whether

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Speaker 17: it's around bluetooth connectivity, doing number plate readers in the

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Speaker 17: light to actually understand what vehicles have connected technology for

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Speaker 17: eruck and you can pick it up pretty it's simply

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Speaker 17: if they don't have the connection India, you can go

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01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 17: right this white vehicle down the road doesn't have it.

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Speaker 17: You can pull them over and happen to catch up.

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Speaker 17: There may be some other file safe mechanism back in there. No,

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Speaker 17: when you check your WAF, make sure the ODO is

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Speaker 17: no consistent of what the eruck reader is saying. There's

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Speaker 17: other file safe mechanism you can put in there to

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Speaker 17: make sure people are being.

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Speaker 5: Honest with the use of the road.

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Speaker 3: Market reckons, you're going to get one of the contracts.

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Speaker 3: You're going to get one of the contracts.

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Speaker 17: Look, you know E Road was the market leader here.

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Speaker 17: We developed the technology over ten years ago, so we're

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Speaker 17: confident that our technology will be great for all kiwis

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Speaker 17: and so yeah, we're definitely pitching in here and playing

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Speaker 17: our parts.

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Speaker 3: So how quickly do you reckon? Realistically, the government can

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Speaker 3: get a system like this setup for the entire country.

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Speaker 17: Well, so the system's already there, So the question is

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Speaker 17: going to be about how do you best rolled out.

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Speaker 17: You know, already a million vehicles have to pay some

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Speaker 17: form of rodeos to charging. E Road has one hundred

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Speaker 17: and fifty thousand used in our technology already. So the

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Speaker 17: technology is there around how do you want to stage

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Speaker 17: their roll out? Whether you want to start with heavy

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Speaker 17: vehicles and then work your way down to light passenger vehicles.

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Speaker 17: So I think the government inspectation on timeline is probably fare. Now,

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Speaker 17: let the technology get into the market between now and

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Speaker 17: twenty twenty seven, but then start phasing this technology into

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 17: people's vehicles.

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Speaker 3: Mark, thank you so much. Mike Heiner, co CEO of

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: E Road Ever DUP c L. Jammy McKay is going

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Speaker 3: to be with us and just take JD. Vanceers in trouble.

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Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 1: JD.

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: Vance's in trouble because he and his family went on

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: the Ohio River for a birthday trip. It was a

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01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 3: family holiday. It sounds like it was to support his

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: forty first birthday. Just happened last week and apparently they

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01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 3: asked for the water level of the Ohio River to

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01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 3: be raised. The secret surface had to do it, and

1523
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: then this was it happened. They got a team of

1524
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: engineers out and they raised the water levels of the

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01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 3: Ohio for it. Now, the official line is that the

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 3: reason that they did this was to support safe navigation,

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 3: but somebody has piped up and spoken to the Guardian

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01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: about it and reckons it was also to create ideal

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 3: kayaking conditions. So not a good look. Twelf past six

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Speaker 3: It's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper C Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio empowered by Newstalg ZEPPI hither.

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01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 3: It took me about thirty seconds to find my e

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01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: road fuse in my work truck. Quarter past six.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on Heather duper Cy Allen Drive.

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Speaker 3: Jamie mckaye, hosts of the Countries with Me. Now, hey,

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Speaker 3: Jamie Listen put this in context for me. How big

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 3: a deal is it that Balance is wanting to shut

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01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 3: up shop for four months?

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01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 12: A huge, A huge deal.

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Speaker 22: I look, I've only just had a quick flick of

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01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 22: the story and I think has there been an update

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01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 22: they are definitely closing for four months? Is that they

1544
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 22: spoke to Calvin Wickham.

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what he says is they haven't got a contract.

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01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 3: It ends at the end of September. If they can

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01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 3: get a replacement contract, they'll keep going. But if they can't,

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 3: and that's most likely, then they shut up for four months.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 22: Well, it's a disaster for New Zealand agriculture because something

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 22: I'm trying to remember the stat off the top of

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 22: my head, something like fifty percent of the world's food

1553
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 22: is produced from nitrogenous fertilizers, all with the help of

1554
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 22: nitrogenous fertilizers.

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01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 8: So it's huge.

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Speaker 22: And when we're trying to double our exports and get

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 22: ourselves out of the economic hole where and we need

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01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 22: and farmers need every bit of help they can get.

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 22: So shutting up the production at Capuni because some of

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01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 22: the other urea I think is important. That's the stuff

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 22: we make here at home with their own natural gas.

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Speaker 2: As a disaster and all.

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Speaker 22: That does here there is just reinforce the absolute folly

1564
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 22: of Justinder's oil and gas research ban and twenty eighteen

1565
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 22: what an idiotic moves are rarely coming home to.

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Speaker 8: Roost on that one.

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 3: Give me a bit of context here again, right, So

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: at the moment, what we've got is we've got an

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: export lead recovery if the farmer is pulling us out

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01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: of the situation, this recession that we're in. But now

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: we've got Trump's tariffs coming at US fifteen percent on

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01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 3: exports that go to the US. A lot of that

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01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 3: will be red meat. And then you've also got the

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 3: fact that we now have to potentially import all this

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01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 3: urea and this fertilizer, so that's going to add cost,

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 3: So is our export lead recovery strong enough to withstand

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01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 3: these knocks coming at them.

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 22: Well, you can bet one thing that, regardless of whether

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 22: they get their natural gas supply or not, Balance and

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 22: Ravens down the other big fertilizer producer in this country

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Speaker 22: or competitor, that the price of nitros and fertilizers is

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 22: going to go up. The price of fertilizers has gone up,

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Speaker 22: I think in the Rabobank August outlook that came out today,

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 22: something like urea's already up by twelve percent month on

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 22: month from July or from June to July. So look,

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01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 22: it's going to put the export lead recovery under threat.

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Speaker 22: It's just going to make it more expensive for farmers

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 22: to grow grass and to and to get and to

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Speaker 22: produce milk and to produce meat.

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01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: Hey, that's that foot and mouth vaccine out of New

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 3: South Wales. It a big deal.

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Speaker 21: Well, I think.

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 22: So this is of course using let me get myech

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 22: my terminology right here, Heather. It's using the help me

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 22: out here, the same stuff that we did with the

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 22: COVID vaccine. Yeah, Mr Na, sorry about that. So it's

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01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 22: it's the same sort of technology. Interestingly, it's been developed

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01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 22: in Australia, but they had to test it in Germany

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Speaker 22: on cow's test that over there, it's going to be

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Speaker 22: good news because at the moment you can't well you

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 22: can't vaccinate in advance. But this this sort of thing

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 22: is supposedly when we get when and if we get

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 22: an outbreak, and Heaven help us if we do, the

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Speaker 22: price of the urea will be the least of our problems.

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 22: If we get foot and mouth here, it's last one

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01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 22: to leave. Turn the lights out. But they've got very

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01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 22: good results on this one. Cattle vaccinated cattle in these

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 22: German based trials, when exposed to the disease, did not

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Speaker 22: share the virus. And that's one of the big problems

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01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 22: with foot and mouth disease. It's so highly contagious. And

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Speaker 22: Australia's quoting eighty billion dollars if foot and mouth broke

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Speaker 22: out in Australia, so I would say you could probably

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Speaker 22: maybe half that or even a wee bit more for

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01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 22: US forty or fifty billion, And that would just be

1615
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 22: off the top of my head, so you can imagine

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 22: how that would go down in New Zealand. We would

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 22: literally if we got foot and mouth here, we could

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01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 22: go broke as a nation.

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01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 3: All right, So just a bundle of happy, happy good

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Speaker 3: news for news tonight. Jane, Thank you so much. Enjoy

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Speaker 3: your evening. Jamie McKay, Host of the Country, nineteen past six.

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Speaker 3: For Allen, I am getting a lot of texts saying this,

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 3: Heather Ear Road's not gonna happen once people figure out

1624
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: what it can really do. Wait till you get yourself

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01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: an automated speeding ticket. Now, that would rip your nightety,

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01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't it. That would rip your ninety if you're out

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01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 3: there on the back road and you're like, hm, have

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01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 3: a quick scan. Nobody's here cover it. I don't know why.

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01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 3: That's the sound of my cart sounds really unhealthy, but

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01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 3: I'm oh, that was delicious yet And then you just

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 3: went to one hundred and thirty. You've got a ticket

1632
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 3: that would be that would suck. And if we find

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: out that that's what's going to happen, well, we're gonna

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01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: have to put the kaibosh on it immediately, aren't we.

1635
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 3: Now this is fascinating. I don't know if you're aware

1636
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 3: of this, but apparently the the you know, Hummas is

1637
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 3: not just a bunch of they are all a bunch

1638
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: of terrorists obviously, but as well as that, they're also

1639
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: running the place over in Gaza. And if you if

1640
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 3: you're employing government officials and you're running the place, people

1641
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: got to get paid. Apparently, Hummas is still paying its

1642
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 3: government salaries despite what is going on in Gaza. They're paying.

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 3: It's not they're not paying the full salary. They pay

1644
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 3: them a maximum of just over twenty percent of their

1645
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 3: pre war salary, and they pay it every ten weeks.

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01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 3: This is how it happens. Employees, and we're talking people

1647
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: who are police officers, tax officials, whatever. They will receive

1648
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: an encrypted message on their phone or on their spouse's

1649
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 3: phone instructing them to go to a specific location at

1650
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 3: a specific time to quote, meet a friend for tea.

1651
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 3: When they get to the meeting point, the employee is

1652
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,919
Speaker 3: approached by a man, very occasionally a woman, who discreetly

1653
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 3: hands over a sealed envelope containing the money and then

1654
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 3: vanishes without further interaction. Now, apparently the government officials who

1655
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 3: are employed by Hamas are getting pretty touchy about this

1656
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 3: because Israel figures this out. With the course, Israel figures

1657
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 3: it out from time to time that this is what's up,

1658
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 3: and then they're woo boo and blow up the meeting place.

1659
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: And so every single time they go to get their money,

1660
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 3: they go, oh, Jesus, this am I going to survive

1661
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 3: this one? And they're hating it. They don't want to

1662
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 3: do this anymore, they really hate it. But also apart

1663
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 3: from that, for some reason, trade is are not accepting

1664
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 3: their money anymore. And it's not clear why they're not

1665
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 3: accepting their money, but it is becoming increasing pointless going

1666
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: and collecting that little envelope of cash six twenty two.

1667
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 2: Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: It's Heather to the sea elan width of the business

1669
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: hour and MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks that'd.

1670
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: Be well Jesus ice start us that don't gloss over

1671
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: the automated ticket thing. It's very real thing, Tony Heather.

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01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it can do. The company I work

1673
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 3: for sends the CEO and automated email that you were

1674
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 3: speeding or you break to aggressively, seriously intrusive. Thank you. Phil. Okay,

1675
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 3: So don't know laughs about this. I'm not actually not

1676
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: actually laughing about it. I'm sort of like half snidey

1677
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 3: trying to figure out if I hate it. I obviously

1678
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: hate it. I'm trying to figure out whether I should

1679
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: hate it or not, because obviously I shouldn't be condoning speeding.

1680
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 3: So that's where I'm at. But anyway, I'm taking it seriously,

1681
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: Phil and Tony and Raymond and Jeers, who else, everybody

1682
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 3: who's texting me a about it. Listen. I don't know

1683
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 3: if you're aware of this, but I care is obsessed

1684
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: with our garages, like, really obsessed with our garages. Do

1685
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 3: you remember back at August last year they see out

1686
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 3: like an announcement about, you know, the fact that they're

1687
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 3: going to do the Ikea stores. So if they were

1688
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 3: raving about the garages, then they're like, did you know

1689
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 3: Kiwi's carp at their garages? That's really weird. Well it's August.

1690
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 3: Now this year they've done it again. They're like, hey,

1691
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: they're still really weirdly obsessed with it. Hey, did you

1692
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,839
Speaker 3: know that ninety three percent of Kiwis use the garage

1693
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: for something not the car. It's like and what, well,

1694
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 3: apparently this is not normal. The sweet the Swedish people

1695
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 3: who are living here in Cintalias literally the Swedish guy

1696
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 3: living in Cintalias who's like his mine's being blown by

1697
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 3: what we do with our garages. He cannot believe that

1698
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: we use our garages for the home gym, for the

1699
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: general storage, to run a side hustle business, to do

1700
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 3: our laundry, for the children to come and play. And

1701
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: my mum does all of that, by the way, all

1702
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 3: of that in her one in her double garage, all

1703
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 3: of it, the laundry and the business and everything. And

1704
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: apparently what's weird about it is that they're in thirty

1705
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 3: other countries and the other countries don't do this at all. Anyway,

1706
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 3: as a result of this, I don't know if you

1707
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: know about an Ikea store, but anyway, I haven't got time.

1708
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what the Ikea store is

1709
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 3: doing because of information that they've got. Bear with. We'll

1710
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 3: deal with that later on first of All, six twenty

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01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: six either do for see it news. Two US comedians

1712
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 3: have hosted a rather unusual award show. It's called the

1713
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 3: Las Culturista Culture Awards, created by Matt Rogers and Bowen

1714
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 3: Yang from Saturday Night Live. It's a parody award show

1715
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: celebrating niche moments in pop culture. It started as a

1716
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: little bit on their podcast, but now it's grown into

1717
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 3: an actual televised award series.

1718
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 14: This whole award show thing actually started as a bit

1719
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,839
Speaker 14: one day on a whim. We just decided to announce

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Speaker 14: a bunch of randomnominees and a bunch of random categories.

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Speaker 7: We never intended to do a real award show at all.

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01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 3: Some of the awards included the Eva Longoria Award for

1723
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 3: Tiny Woman, Huge Impact, which has been won by Abbott

1724
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 3: Elementary's creator Quinta Brunson. She's four foot eleven, and then

1725
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 3: also the Best Words to Shout and Best Word to Whisper,

1726
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 3: which was won by the word never, because you think

1727
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 3: about it never. Also never, like that is quite you.

1728
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 3: I mean I'd rather whisper. I feel like there's quite

1729
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: something quite some stir about that.

1730
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Speaker 6: I love that.

1731
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 3: I think that's a good choice. Jeff Goldblum's chest hair

1732
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 3: in the Jurassic Park movies won the award for Most

1733
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 3: Amazing Impact in Film, and he was actually there to

1734
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 3: accept the award in person with his chest.

1735
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: No, this award isn't even for me. It's really for

1736
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: my chest. So it is only fitting that.

1737
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 3: So anyway. I mean, obviously, what this means is we

1738
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: have far too many TV award shows and stuff. This

1739
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 3: is getting silly now. But on the subject of Jeff Goldblum,

1740
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 3: have you watched Zeus? Because it stars him and the

1741
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 3: opening sequence is the back of Jeff, which is not

1742
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: a bad look in a shell suit from the eighties

1743
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 3: walking to this song and he's springing that a little

1744
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 3: bit and he is camp as.

1745
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 8: You like in it.

1746
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 3: Anyway. So I watched a lot of CALLI when I

1747
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 3: was on maternity lead because there's nothing more boring than

1748
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 3: a three am breastfeed because old bait's not rent interactive.

1749
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 3: So you what suggest that? Can I recommend Zeus just

1750
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: for the campy aspect? I think the storyline kind of

1751
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: pieces out, but maybe season two might be okay. But

1752
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 3: for this opening sequence, just the best, the best, Sam

1753
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 3: Dicky next, nothing.

1754
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 2: Working Fast, We excited, guys dumb, Maybe get up on

1755
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:36,520
Speaker 2: your little finger. Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1756
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1757
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: and Mas for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions, use talks

1758
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: it me.

1759
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 13: Is coming.

1760
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: Please not got part.

1761
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 3: Whether the show is actually called Chaos and it's been

1762
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: canceled after season one. Well, just watched season one. I

1763
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: mean it doesn't it doesn't attract from the fact that

1764
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 3: you might want to watch season one. But facts your

1765
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 3: I am calling it zeus A What am.

1766
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 12: I to be?

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01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 9: If their chaos wouldn't be a terrible name for our show?

1768
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: The way things go, I know, especially what just happened

1769
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: a half hour, tell you what you should call the

1770
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 3: disinformation project and let them know what I'm up to

1771
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 3: with all this kind of crack. They'll put out a

1772
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 3: report on me and I'd appreciate the attention. By the way, Dunedin,

1773
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: well done you here we are in the local body

1774
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: races right lamenting the fact that there are like all

1775
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 3: of these races going completely uncontested and people are being

1776
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 3: re elected before even the elections happening. But everybody wants

1777
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 3: to be the mayor of Dunedin. Apparently there are sixteen

1778
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,879
Speaker 3: citizens who put themselves forward to become the mayor of Dunedin,

1779
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 3: which is the highest number for any one place. It

1780
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 3: is double christ Church's eight candidates. It is better than Auckland,

1781
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 3: Wellington and Hamilton, each of them have twelve. So well

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01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: done Dunedin. I mean, I don't know why, but it's

1783
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: like I don't know why. I'll just say I don't

1784
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 3: know why. What it is about Dunedin's mayoral race that

1785
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: you're into it, But at least you're into it twenty

1786
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: three away from seven ever, do per c we are

1787
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 3: living through one of the most challenging periods for economic

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01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 3: forecasting in decades. Traditional indicators are pretty much contradictory at

1789
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: the minute. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with me

1790
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 3: on this. Hey, Sam, Hey, EIM I mean it is

1791
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 3: confusing and contradictory at the minute, isn't it.

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01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 23: It is very confusing in contradictory. A good example of

1793
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 23: that actually is if you dive beneath the headline growth

1794
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 23: numbers to the real time data. So two arms of

1795
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 23: the Federal Reserve in the US, the New York Federal

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01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 23: Reserve and the Atlanta Fed, calculate essentially a daily GDP number,

1797
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,440
Speaker 23: and they have slightly different calculation methods. But before COVID,

1798
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 23: those differences were sort of plus or minus one percent apart,

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01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 23: and since COVID they're more like plus or minus three

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01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 23: percent apart. So forecasting era has tripled, and those are

1801
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 23: essentially insiders versus the average punter on the street, and

1802
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 23: they're both arms of the Federal Reserve with similar forecasting techniques.

1803
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,759
Speaker 23: And if you listen to people like Capital Economics, the IMF,

1804
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 23: the World Bank all are complaining that forecasts are as

1805
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 23: fragile as they've seen in decades. And you and I

1806
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 23: have spoken about the reasons why. The primary reason is

1807
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 23: global economic policy uncertainty indexes will they have eased a

1808
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 23: little bit, are still near fifty year high, so that

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 23: policy whiplash continues.

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01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so where are we at do you think in

1811
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,520
Speaker 3: the global and local economic cycle.

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01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,520
Speaker 23: Critical juncture? I think in tons of dispersion.

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01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: So the US growth has.

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Speaker 23: Generally been pretty robust, it's held the world up, still

1815
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 23: growing around three percent, but we're sort of multi speed

1816
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 23: over there. So the consumer is still in the game. Thankfully,

1817
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 23: seventy two percent of GDP is the consumer. And so

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01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 23: MasterCard gives us that sort of wonderful bird's eye view

1819
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 23: of the global consumer, and they just said last week

1820
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 23: consumer spinning remains healthy, supported by wage growth that continues

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01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 23: to outpace inflation. Of course, anything related to tech and

1822
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 23: AI is booming, but the manufacturing sector is in contraction.

1823
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 23: Europe is kind of limping along at about half percent

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 23: growth despite the rise and spending that's going into defense

1825
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 23: and infrastructure over there.

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01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 2: China threw a ton of.

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Speaker 23: Stimulus at its economy as it slowed last year, and

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01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 23: I spoke about this and we saw a bit of

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01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 23: a pickup, so that's grown about five percent, and back

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01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 23: here in New Zealand were sort of hunting for those

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01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 23: green shoots. So in short, US robust but slowing, Europe

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01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 23: and New Zealand limping along the bottom, and China's still

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01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 23: healthy at five percent.

1834
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 3: And where to from here?

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Speaker 23: The US is creaking. It's been underpinned by a really

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01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 23: strong labor market for years. And I'm sure your listeners

1837
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 23: are aware. Last week we saw not only the current

1838
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 23: month jobs number hit recessionary type territory, but they revised

1839
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 23: down the previous two months to recession type levels as well,

1840
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 23: so only adding fifty thousand jobs a month. And we're

1841
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 23: hearing that from companies too. But Jamie Diamond, the CEO

1842
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 23: of JP Morgan, reminded us that as employment falls, obviously

1843
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 23: you'll see more stress on the consumer in the second half,

1844
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 23: and China growth is still pretty robust. And they definitely

1845
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 23: stand ready to throw more stimulus added if things slow.

1846
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 23: And Europe and New Zealand they'll find it hard to

1847
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 23: grow rapidly if the US slows. But they are at

1848
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 23: very very different points in the cycle, bouncing along the bottom,

1849
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 23: and there are green shoots and things like tourism and

1850
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 23: agricultural exports.

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01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is good news, I suppose. So what should

1852
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: investors take from all this? What should they make of it?

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01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 23: Well, given how bullish sentiment is and how hard the

1854
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 23: stock markets are bounced in the last few months, the

1855
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 23: next few months could be trickier, as markets will be

1856
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 23: much more sensitive to any deterioration in the macroeconomic picture.

1857
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: But they're really really.

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01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 23: Good news is either the Federal Reserve, the US Central

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01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 23: Bank has tons of room to cut rates in the

1860
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 23: US so the amount that inflation is moderated, the feed

1861
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 23: could probably cut rates by another one hundred to one

1862
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 23: hundred and fifty basis points, but it's been stubbornly on hold,

1863
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 23: worried about Tariff's reigniting price pressures. But they are kind

1864
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 23: of running out of reasons not to cut rates. So

1865
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 23: last Friday, after that week's jobs number, the market kind

1866
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 23: of did the job for them and priced at another

1867
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 23: two rate cuts, so there is some cushion there if

1868
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 23: things do slow on the second half, as you should

1869
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 23: probably expect.

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Speaker 3: Sam, thanks so much mate, I enjoy your evening.

1871
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 12: Sam.

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01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 3: Dickie Fisher funds hither our mayor is absolutely useless in Dunedin.

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01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Anything is better than what we've got. Well, be careful

1874
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 3: what you wish for, because what I didn't tell you

1875
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 3: is you have a vampire running for mayor in Dunedin.

1876
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 3: Zennith Rose Wills, who's a climate activist, is also known

1877
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: as Rough. I think this is the vampire name ruthven

1878
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 3: alam Rack and a standing for the Radical Action faction

1879
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 3: and has declared themselves to be a vampire who was

1880
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: born in the eighteenth century. And apparently how this all worked,

1881
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 3: like how you become a vampire to promote climate action

1882
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 3: is that you worry about your food source because if

1883
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 3: all the forecasts are correct, climate change is going to

1884
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: kill all the humans and what are you going to

1885
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 3: eat if you're a vampire. So anyway, not all the

1886
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 3: contenders in Dunedin are in fact serious, but they're there,

1887
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: so that's something, isn't it now? I was gonna tell

1888
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 3: you what the Ikea guys are doing.

1889
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1890
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,799
Speaker 3: So if you've been to an Ikea store and I haven't,

1891
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 3: so I've had this. The Germans had to explain this

1892
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 3: to me because she's from Europe, so they have all

1893
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 3: of this. They have all the cool stuff, right that

1894
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 3: like first world stuff. They have the Ikeas there. So

1895
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: she says, what happens in at ike and yes, also

1896
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: I hate shopping, so like it's it's it's it's like,

1897
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 3: you know, the two positives and a magnet, me and

1898
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 3: shopping never to meet. So anyway, I have to get

1899
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 3: these experiences vicariously through the Germans. So she says, what

1900
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 3: happens is when you go into a gigantic Ikea store,

1901
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: you walk in and they have it laid out room

1902
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 3: by room, right, so they'll have your bathroom laid out

1903
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 3: for you so you can get heaps of inspo about

1904
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 3: what you want to do in your bathroom. Then you

1905
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 3: walk you can give this a lounge or it's a bathroom,

1906
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,560
Speaker 3: you know, like lounge and spo. Then you go to

1907
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 3: the bedroom. There's some bedroom and spo and what they're

1908
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: doing bespoke for the New Zealand customers they're gonna lay

1909
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 3: out of garage because this is what we're into. So

1910
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 3: they're gonna design your garage. I mean, what is wrong

1911
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 3: with us, But anyway, they're gonna design the garage for

1912
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 3: you so that you can go, oh, look, how I

1913
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 3: can lay out my garage to have a laundry and

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01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 3: a little working nook and also my exercise equipment right there.

1915
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 3: Whether they have a car and they're or not, probably

1916
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 3: don't need to given most of us apparently don't put

1917
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 3: our cars in the garage. But anyway, that's what they're

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01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 3: doing for us, so that's very nice. Then the Germans

1919
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 3: started ex so I got that bit. I got that,

1920
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 3: and I thought that that's quite nice. And then she

1921
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 3: started explaining to me that you have to then go

1922
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 3: into the second part of the store and then there's

1923
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 3: J eight something and.

1924
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 8: No.

1925
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 3: At that point I was like, no, it's not interesting anymore.

1926
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 3: I have no idea. It just sounded like I'm walking

1927
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 3: around with some sort of a forll Cliff, like getting

1928
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 3: all my boxes on it and then taking it out

1929
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 3: to the car. So anyway, never mind about the rest

1930
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 3: of it. You're getting a garage sixteen to seven.

1931
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

1932
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Dup, c Ellen and Mas

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Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks'b.

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Speaker 3: Got some infoe on Andrew for you, as in Prince

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Speaker 3: Andrew will run through it shortly thirteen away from seven

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Speaker 3: with us. Now is Indebrady are UK correspondent Alo Ender?

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Speaker 12: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Have I might stay listening for that's.

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Speaker 3: Nothing you don't already know. Trust me? Heym is a

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Speaker 3: ceasefire going to happen for Ukraine? Are we looking at that?

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Speaker 7: So what we're looking at realistically is next next week

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Speaker 7: President Trump and Putin are going to meet. That is

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Speaker 7: what we're hearing from the American side. Now, obviously it's

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Speaker 7: been very big the last twenty four hours. He sent

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Speaker 7: Steve Whitcoffe's special envoy to Moscow and we're told those

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Speaker 7: talks were highly productive. Now, what is really cranking up

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Speaker 7: the pressure on Russia is President Trump imposing a fifty

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Speaker 7: percent secondary tariff on India because they've been by buying

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Speaker 7: Russian oil. So obviously they're going at the network that

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Speaker 7: supports the Russian economy. And this is very very big,

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Speaker 7: and it's already rep rewards. So we're going to see

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Speaker 7: Trump and Putin meet next week. I'm guessing it will

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Speaker 7: happen in Moscow. But then, crucially, what the Americans want

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Speaker 7: to happen not very long after is Trump, Putin and

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Speaker 7: Zelensky sitting down round the table and finding what agreeable

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Speaker 7: to all. So there is movement happening. But you know,

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Speaker 7: here we are three and a half years into this,

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Speaker 7: so many thousands of innocent lives lost.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, listen, is it weird that JD. Vance

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Speaker 3: is having stay over is at Lemmy's house?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a bit strange. So he arrives tomorrow

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Speaker 7: into England. It's a family vacation. The Vance family will

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Speaker 7: be going to the Cotswolds, beautiful part of Oxfordshire. I

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Speaker 7: live in Oxfordshire, and I hear he has rented a

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Speaker 7: very nice house outside the village of Charwbury, not a

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Speaker 7: million miles away from Jeremy Clarkson and his farm and

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Speaker 7: his pub and everything. So you may well see Jed

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Speaker 7: Advance visiting Jeremy Clarkson. We'll see Ellen Degenerous lives in

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Speaker 7: that area as well. A lot of Americans coming here

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Speaker 7: for the summer. But what he's doing this weekend Is.

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Speaker 7: He's struck up a really I think unusual friendship with

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Speaker 7: David Lammy, who is the British Foreign Secretary. Now, Lammy

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Speaker 7: is a labor politician, he's left wing and JD. Vance

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Speaker 7: is America first and he's right wing. However, they've met

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Speaker 7: many many times. They share similar ground, I'm told, in

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Speaker 7: terms of difficult poverty stricken childhoods, with addiction issues in

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Speaker 7: the families. And they're both devoutly Christian. So they click.

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Speaker 7: The families get on and Lammy has invited the Vance

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Speaker 7: family to come stay a long weekend Achievening, which is

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Speaker 7: a big mansion that the British Foreign Secretary gets as

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Speaker 7: a grace and favor of property. It's owned by the

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Speaker 7: UK government, but it's used for entertaining and that is

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Speaker 7: where the Vances and the Lammis will be this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. I hope they have a lovely time. Now, what

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Speaker 3: did the Scottish government give Trump? What was the gift?

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Speaker 7: This is a lovely story. So John Swinney is Scotland's

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Speaker 7: first leader, first Minister of Scotland, and he found out

1988
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Speaker 7: that other governments are routinely giving President Trump golf clubs.

1989
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Speaker 7: So you can imagine how many golf clubs, all these

1990
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Speaker 7: world leaders that he meets. No one's very original in

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Speaker 7: their thinking. Everyone gives him a golf clubs, and he's

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Speaker 7: a very wealthy man. I'm sure he has the absolute

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Speaker 7: best himself. However, John Sweeney went away had a think

1994
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Speaker 7: and obviously Trump's mother was a macloud from one of

1995
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Speaker 7: the Scottish islands, storn Away on the Isle of Lewis,

1996
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Speaker 7: and he instructed the Registrar General to go away, delve

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Speaker 7: into Scotland's archives and find something original.

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Speaker 2: To do with that family.

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Speaker 7: So indeed she went away, she had a deep dive

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Speaker 7: into the Scottish National Archives and came back with the

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Speaker 7: original wedding certificate of his mother's grandparents in eighteen fifty

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Speaker 7: three on that island in Scotland, and they framed it

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Speaker 7: up and they gave it to President Trump, and apparently

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Speaker 7: he had tears in his eyes.

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Speaker 3: How about that. That's really nice, Hey, thank you for

2006
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Speaker 3: that and to appreciate it. That's into Brady, UK correspondent. Okay,

2007
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Speaker 3: here's the info on Prince Andrew. So there is a book,

2008
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Speaker 3: there's a new biography about Prince Andrew and Fergie and

2009
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Speaker 3: it's been serialized in the Daily Mail, and these are

2010
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Speaker 3: the six. I'm just basically what I'm doing is I'm

2011
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Speaker 3: telling you that the big takeaways from it, so you

2012
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Speaker 3: don't have to go out and read it yourself. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So these are the takeaways. Number One, Andrew may have

2014
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Speaker 3: lied about how long he knew Jeffrey Epstein. He said

2015
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Speaker 3: he met him in nineteen ninety nine. It sounds like

2016
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Speaker 3: it was actually more like nineteen eighty nine, so whole

2017
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Speaker 3: ten extra years of bad stuff that was going on. Potentially,

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Speaker 3: Number two, there were secrets that were potentially passed to

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Speaker 3: foreign officials. Epstein may have given secrets about Andrew to Mossad,

2020
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Speaker 3: to the Saudi Arabian authorities, to Gadaffi's Libyan intelligence services,

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Speaker 3: and so on. Also Number three may have given secrets

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Speaker 3: to Putin. The claim is that John Mark Dugan, who's

2023
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Speaker 3: a former deputy in Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, fled

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Speaker 3: to Russia with copies of files on the Epstein investigation

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Speaker 3: and then was in touch with pavl Borroden, who's a

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Speaker 3: mentor of Putin. And the files may have included scanned

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Speaker 3: documents but also videos. Number four. He's getting money from somewhere.

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Speaker 3: No one knows where it is because he's got no

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Speaker 3: obvious source of income. This is Andrew. He's got the

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Speaker 3: Royal Navy pension, he's got some family money. He may

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Speaker 3: have inherited some handouts from the Queen the late Queen

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Speaker 3: are now came Charles. But it doesn't explain how he

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Speaker 3: affords Royal lotch which is like fifteen million dollars that

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Speaker 3: he spent on refurbishing it and annually costs half a

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Speaker 3: million dollars to run. So we's again in this cash

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Speaker 3: from number five has got quite as he's bombed to

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Speaker 3: go wow wow with the ladies, if you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. He had apparently forty women brought into his

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Speaker 3: hotel room during a stay in Bangkok. The hotel staff

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Speaker 3: were used to foreigners bringing in girls, but they thought

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Speaker 3: it was quite amazing that more than ten a day

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Speaker 3: we're going into Andrew's room number six. And finally he

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Speaker 3: gave and you will have heard this he gave well.

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Speaker 3: Prince Harry gave Andrew a bloody nose during an argument

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Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen. Harry denies having done it now, as

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Speaker 3: all always with the Royals, it's hard to know what's

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01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 3: true or not. And it also given Harry doesn't mind

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Speaker 3: talking about a bit of fisty cuff, so the fact

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Speaker 3: that he's denying it makes me kind of wonder. But

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Speaker 3: as you know, Andrew gets up to no good and

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Speaker 3: just the fact that this book is outmeans his problems

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Speaker 3: haven't stopped seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too us See Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Either just you wait, You're going to be smisthen by IK,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, John Now answ's top where I have to

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Speaker 3: stop talking?

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Speaker 12: Why is that?

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01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 3: Ants?

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Speaker 9: Because fifteen thousand students around the country have had a

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Speaker 9: big test today. They've been taking part in the country's

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Speaker 9: largest maths competition. It's called Times Tables rock Stars. So

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Speaker 9: now we're just going to see whether or not you

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Speaker 9: are a Times Tables rock Star. Let's start the timer, Okay, Heather,

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Speaker 9: what is two times three six? What is five times

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Speaker 9: eight forty? What is nine times twelve.

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Speaker 3: Or one hundred and eleven one hundred and eight?

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Speaker 9: What is three times six eighteen? What is seven times

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Speaker 9: zero zero? What is fourteen divided by seven? Twenty no, two,

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Speaker 9: I correct. Two is correct? Thirty three divided by three

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Speaker 9: eleven eighteen divided by two nine, one hundred and forty

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Speaker 9: four divided by twelve, twelve and one divided by zero zero.

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Speaker 20: One.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, sorry, that one was a quick trick question.

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Speaker 9: You can't divide anything by zero. But still very very good, Heather.

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Speaker 9: I think I think we can. We can pull you

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Speaker 9: a math rock starff for that one.

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Speaker 3: Just know, just for clarification purposes, level of maths I

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Speaker 3: was just asked to do.

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Speaker 9: I'm recently at ages seven to so yeah, at least

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01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 9: as smart as a thirteen year old, Heather. That's good.

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Speaker 9: I don't know. There's lots of us who probably couldn't

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Speaker 9: say that.

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Speaker 3: Bug of one hundred and eight one? That was annoying.

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Speaker 3: What was it again? One hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 9: Nine times twelve? Was one hundred and eight.

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Speaker 1: Nine times twelve?

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01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it would be two.

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Speaker 3: It's annoying. Okay, what have you got?

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Speaker 1: All?

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Speaker 23: Right?

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Speaker 9: Insomnia by Faithless to play us out tonight because Insomnia

2093
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 9: will be oh sorry, not in Somnia. Faithless. Faithless will

2094
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 9: be headlining Symphony next year. The lineup's all been announced today.

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01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 9: It's going to be happening again at the Auckland of

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Speaker 9: May in March. Also joining them will be Peaking Duck,

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Speaker 9: the Black Seeds, the Exponents and they've got a new

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Speaker 9: Symphony setlist as well, so the Aukland fill on On

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Speaker 9: you'll be playing a brand new set.

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Speaker 3: Do we just need to call symphony for what it is,

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01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 3: which is that it's like Generation x's getting on drugs.

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Speaker 3: Heard out, Ah, that's what it is and says nothing answers.

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Speaker 3: The fact that answer has gone silent on it makes

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Speaker 3: me go nailed it. Okay, see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 21: I sleep.

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