1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: With us now as Nichola willis the Finance Minister. Evening Nikola, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Good evening, Heather. Do you have an opinion on whether 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Watties cans should have New Zealand peaches in them? 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: I haven't followed this story. I think it's really a 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: matter for Waties and as long as they're upfront and 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: transparent with their consumers about it, then it's their business 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: and a fewer people buy them if they're not key 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 2: we then surely they'll take dinner into. 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Account, Like do you go to the supermarket and pick 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: up the can, turn around, go no, that's not from 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: New Zealand? Or buy something else? 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Well, I have my husband doing most of the supermarket 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: shopping for our house, is the honest answer to that question. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: We don't buy that many peaches. What I worry about 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: is whether they've got extra sugar, because I don't want 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: our kids juicing up on that before school. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very big problem speaking of which actually, 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: because then you're sending them to school hyperactive for the 19 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: teachers who are on strike. Have you got a year twelvel, 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: year thirteen home today? 21 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: Well? I have a year eleven? 22 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Who will so you're tomorrow home? 23 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: Tomorrow. Yeah, have you again. That's disruptive to My husband's 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: life is our main caregiver, and we'll have to rearrange 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: his life accordingly. But it's look, it's the it's all 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: of the families who are disrupted. Some of home. It's 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: really difficult to reorganize their lives around that. They're expecting 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: their kids to be at school. And I've just got 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: one observation, which is we want to bargain in good faith. 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: You do that at the bargaining table. You can't do 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: that while you're striking. And I noticed that teachers never 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: seem to strike in the school holidays. 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: Isn't that a surprise? So what's your husban's going to do. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Is it going to take time off work or is 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: he going to work from home and chuck the boy 36 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: on the device? 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: He'll work from home and he'll have to manage the 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: device use because that will be a strange magnet to 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: which my son will be drawn undoubtedly. 40 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: Now, what is this Phillips inquiry that the Prime Minister 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: was hinting at this morning. 42 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: Well, there are naturally a lot of questions around how 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: the situation was handled over the past four years, and 44 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: a range of government agents involved, not just the police 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: but obviously oring a Tamadiki and other agencies. And so 46 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: the government is taking advice around what an inquiry would 47 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: look like to have that whole of government perspective. 48 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Okay. Will this inquiry also look into whether the police 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: did the right things? 50 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: Well, that will be an aspect of it, I'm sure, 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,559 Speaker 2: because it's about the way that different agencies have interacted 52 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: and engaged and the ultimate decisions that were made. 53 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Will one of the questions be whether the police should 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: have gone in earlier. 55 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to get ahead of the terms 56 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: of reference because those haven't been set yet, but those 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: are the sorts of questions that people are asking, and 58 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure that the police are fully expecting to address 59 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: those questions anyway. They have their own inquiries underway, but 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 2: you would expect that a whole of government inquiry would 61 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: consider that. 62 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll just take the place of the IPCA inquiry, 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: which surely will have to happen anyway. 64 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that's really important, but of course that's about 65 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: the ultimate shootout rather than the wider set of events. 66 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So the IPCA looks at the shootout, this other 67 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: inquiry will look at the whole operation, whether the right 68 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: things were done. Yeah. 69 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: Look, and I understand that police and the normal course 70 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: of events review and operation of this magnitude and national significance, 71 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: So that would happen anyway. But what the Prime Minister's 72 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: looking at is the broader inquiry on the way all 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: the government agencies involved have come together on this matter 74 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: and the consequences of their decision making. 75 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: Now, look on the eden Park thing, why don't you guys, 76 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we all understand that eden Park is playing 77 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: with its arms tied behind its back, right, So why 78 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: not instead of launching an investigation and dragging it out 79 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: for the next six months or whatever, why don't you 80 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: guys change the rules? We know what the rules are. 81 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: Well, none of this would be possible if we hadn't 82 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: passed law this year which for the first time ever 83 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: allows us to get in and modify provisions in local plans. 84 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: This is all part of the Resource Management Act, so 85 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: we now have that power. What the law requires Bishop 86 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 2: to do is to a proper investigation to demonstrate that 87 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: this is something that's negatively impacting economic growth, and then 88 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: he recommends changes. So that's about following the process and 89 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: the more that's right, that's right. 90 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: What is the game with you know, what's the goal 91 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: with the Christians tied up in your office? 92 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: Well, obviously I support the right to protest, but I 93 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: would point out that by then going ahead in the 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: way that they are chaining themselves to the office and 95 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: the like, they're just getting in the way of good 96 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: people who want to come to that electorate office to 97 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: have help with constituent matters. My electorate staff member has 98 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: had to work from home. It means he can't meet 99 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: face to face with people, which is really disruptive and 100 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: I don't think positive for their course. 101 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: Do do you have to have people there sort of 102 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: guarding the place overnight? 103 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: I understand that our security have been engaged by Parliamentary 104 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: Services who take operational responsibility for these matters, and security 105 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: have been engaging with the I also understand the protesters 106 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: turned up with muffins this morning, so it was news 107 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: to me that they're in fact going to be fasting. 108 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Oh, I thought odd. So they weren't like muffins like 109 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: a core Haar. It was like muffins for themselves. 110 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think it was as a core Ha. It 111 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: was a rooster try and get in the door so 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: that they could do as have attempted in other offices. 113 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: And I have a very on to it. Electric agent 114 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: oh No could see what was brewing. 115 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: It's like a fishes and loaves type situation, isn't it? 116 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: Except and now we're changed. Okay, Now what have you heard? 117 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: What's going on here with Taku to Ferris because no 118 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: one can get hold of the Maori Party to understand 119 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: why they can't get on top of them. What are 120 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: you hearing? 121 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: Well, I just think they're in a complete mess. I 122 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: mean they'll be seeing the writing on the wall, which 123 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: is that when you have members making openly racist statements 124 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: and disenfranchising huge numbers of New Zealanders, you don't look 125 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: like a party that could ever be in government. And 126 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: presumably someone into party Marty is smart enough to work 127 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: out that if you can't ever be in government, then 128 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: you can't ever really get anything done. So I imagine 129 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: they're having an internal war about that. I know that 130 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: their whip last week was pretty upset to have her 131 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: whip promoved. I don't know what relationship that has with 132 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: all of this, but look, just more entics from the party. 133 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Marti Ohka interesting. Now, listen, can you explain to me 134 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: how you guys racked up a forty four thousand dollar 135 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: bill for the Pavlova on the Mountain date? 136 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: Well, look, talking to the Prime Minister's office, I understand 137 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: that this was about promoting New Zealand des. 138 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I know what it was about. But listen, listen, let 139 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: me just let me come clean with you. Okay. So 140 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: I had a look at it, and I see that 141 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: you can get a two group private Queenstown charter on 142 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: the Chopper for thirteen and a half thousand dollars. Now 143 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: I want two choppers because that's what you people had. 144 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: So now it's twenty seven thousand dollars. So where's the 145 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: other seventeen thousand dollars come from? 146 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: Look, I haven't been involved in looking at the costings 147 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: of that. I'm sure those are questions which the Prime 148 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: Minister's Office would happily answer. Basically, this was about showcasing 149 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: the best of New Zealand Scenia tourism. Provision was made. 150 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: There wasn't that wasn't there wasn't that much media. That's 151 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: the problem. 152 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: Well, an interesting point that's probably relevant to the overall 153 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: price was that provision was made to have journalists come along, 154 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: but ultimately the Australian Prime Minister wasn't comfortable with them 155 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: being in the chopper, so it ended up being just 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: for social media, but it did receive wider reporting. 157 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting elbow under the bus. 158 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: No, well, I don't think I'm throwing them under the 159 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: bus at all. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position 160 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: for any leader to take. Is when they want media 161 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: accompanying them and when they don't. Doesn't like totally, that's 162 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: totally their. 163 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Program, Nichola. So are you telling me if I go 164 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: to the Prime minister, our Prime Minister's office and say, 165 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: Nicholas said, you have to tell me how you racked 166 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: up the spill, they will be honest with me. 167 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think that they'll be able to give you 168 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: some sort of a breakdown. 169 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, I shall do this. Thank you very much, 170 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 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