1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Bene 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,867 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZB Sunday afternoons. 3 00:00:14,067 --> 00:00:16,747 Speaker 2: Mean James mcconey, Hello mate. 4 00:00:17,027 --> 00:00:17,627 Speaker 3: Hi Pony. 5 00:00:17,747 --> 00:00:18,187 Speaker 2: How are you? 6 00:00:18,747 --> 00:00:21,107 Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm good. What did you What did you 7 00:00:21,187 --> 00:00:27,507 Speaker 4: take them? What say say that again? All that stuff, Bud, 8 00:00:27,547 --> 00:00:32,307 Speaker 4: your boncois all of those things. What did you take 9 00:00:32,307 --> 00:00:35,427 Speaker 4: away from What did you take away from the Test 10 00:00:35,467 --> 00:00:36,187 Speaker 4: match this morning? 11 00:00:37,307 --> 00:00:38,947 Speaker 3: I enjoyed the Test match. I thought it was a 12 00:00:38,987 --> 00:00:41,667 Speaker 3: great game. I think that's the general consensus. I thought 13 00:00:41,707 --> 00:00:45,307 Speaker 3: it was scrappy though, but definitely good for world rugby. 14 00:00:45,947 --> 00:00:49,947 Speaker 3: Probably helped Antoine DuPont with given that he's been seemed 15 00:00:49,947 --> 00:00:55,347 Speaker 3: to be anointed with goat status already, but cam Rouga 16 00:00:55,507 --> 00:00:58,067 Speaker 3: definitely challenged him because I thought he was the best 17 00:00:58,067 --> 00:00:59,867 Speaker 3: on the field for the All Blacks while he was 18 00:00:59,907 --> 00:01:04,187 Speaker 3: out there, and overall, I don't think. I think it's 19 00:01:04,187 --> 00:01:05,667 Speaker 3: just a case of our luck running out. We had 20 00:01:05,747 --> 00:01:08,267 Speaker 3: lack against them, you know, George Ford hit in the 21 00:01:08,307 --> 00:01:11,947 Speaker 3: post with that penalty, and in this situation we just 22 00:01:12,867 --> 00:01:14,107 Speaker 3: you know, our luck ran out. 23 00:01:15,067 --> 00:01:17,867 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a pretty good summation read you 24 00:01:17,907 --> 00:01:18,227 Speaker 2: know it was. 25 00:01:18,907 --> 00:01:21,147 Speaker 4: I've said a couple of times this afternoon, if you weren't, 26 00:01:21,427 --> 00:01:22,827 Speaker 4: if you weren't, if you didn't have any skin in 27 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:24,387 Speaker 4: the game, and you just watched it as a as 28 00:01:24,427 --> 00:01:26,587 Speaker 4: a as a test match. So that was a you know, 29 00:01:26,627 --> 00:01:28,627 Speaker 4: that was an entertaining eighty minutes. I thought it was 30 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:29,507 Speaker 4: a good game. 31 00:01:30,347 --> 00:01:33,027 Speaker 3: Yes, And look the other thing is there were some 32 00:01:33,747 --> 00:01:36,067 Speaker 3: the benefits for the All Blacks I think are immense. 33 00:01:36,107 --> 00:01:39,227 Speaker 3: So Peter Larco announced himself as a proper test player 34 00:01:39,227 --> 00:01:42,387 Speaker 3: and in his exceptional had to come on in the 35 00:01:42,507 --> 00:01:45,267 Speaker 3: second minute when pour O Summer Penny Fee now also 36 00:01:45,347 --> 00:01:48,987 Speaker 3: known as Buffy, the first five Slayer had to had 37 00:01:49,027 --> 00:01:52,427 Speaker 3: to go off injured. So seeing Larko out there was great. 38 00:01:52,587 --> 00:01:56,787 Speaker 3: But and Artie was exceptional. You could see he's decided, right, 39 00:01:56,827 --> 00:02:00,027 Speaker 3: I've got to leave from the front here. But you 40 00:02:00,147 --> 00:02:03,067 Speaker 3: still miss Sam Caine. And the reason why is because 41 00:02:03,587 --> 00:02:05,587 Speaker 3: our rock ball wasn't clean. And I think there was 42 00:02:05,587 --> 00:02:08,907 Speaker 3: a close up shot of the Mighty Williams looking around 43 00:02:08,987 --> 00:02:12,387 Speaker 3: perplex going where are my cleaners? Where are the guys 44 00:02:12,907 --> 00:02:15,587 Speaker 3: cleaning out this ruck? You know, he presented perfect ball, 45 00:02:16,027 --> 00:02:18,027 Speaker 3: and I think that's where you actually do miss someone 46 00:02:18,067 --> 00:02:18,747 Speaker 3: like Sam Kaine. 47 00:02:19,467 --> 00:02:23,587 Speaker 2: No A good point. B. Is he definitely out next week? 48 00:02:23,587 --> 00:02:25,187 Speaker 2: Could he play one more test for the all Blacks 49 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:26,187 Speaker 2: I have ever heard You might not know. 50 00:02:27,107 --> 00:02:28,667 Speaker 3: No, I don't know, but I mean I'd like to 51 00:02:28,667 --> 00:02:30,707 Speaker 3: see him get one last hurrah if that's going to 52 00:02:30,747 --> 00:02:33,707 Speaker 3: be for Sam Kine. There are a couple of points 53 00:02:33,747 --> 00:02:36,667 Speaker 3: pointing and I'm not sure maybe some of your listeners 54 00:02:36,667 --> 00:02:39,747 Speaker 3: have raised this, but I thought that all Blacks under advantage. 55 00:02:40,387 --> 00:02:42,947 Speaker 3: I've always felt this, we should be throwing the kitchen 56 00:02:42,987 --> 00:02:45,707 Speaker 3: sink at them, you know, like, as soon as there's 57 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:49,067 Speaker 3: a penalty advantage, why not break open the glass with 58 00:02:49,187 --> 00:02:51,987 Speaker 3: your emergency back on move that you wouldn't normally use. 59 00:02:52,027 --> 00:02:55,547 Speaker 3: It should be razzle dazzle because you're getting a penalty anyway. 60 00:02:55,987 --> 00:02:59,387 Speaker 3: And to see his pick and go and then come back, 61 00:02:59,707 --> 00:03:02,467 Speaker 3: you know, back to where they were, Like, you're expending 62 00:03:02,507 --> 00:03:04,387 Speaker 3: so much energy doing that, you might as well have 63 00:03:04,507 --> 00:03:06,707 Speaker 3: tried something. I mean, you might as well on the 64 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:09,587 Speaker 3: end goal, right, Yeah, that's the case, yep. And then 65 00:03:09,627 --> 00:03:13,307 Speaker 3: the other point was the before halftime. I think Bowden 66 00:03:13,347 --> 00:03:16,427 Speaker 3: took a forty meter drop goal and we were I 67 00:03:16,427 --> 00:03:18,907 Speaker 3: think we had retreated twenty five meters, so we were 68 00:03:18,987 --> 00:03:21,187 Speaker 3: up Byver twenty two, which would have been a good 69 00:03:21,187 --> 00:03:23,907 Speaker 3: place to have taken their drop goal. But for some 70 00:03:23,987 --> 00:03:25,867 Speaker 3: reason it's sort of like we just went, oh, well, 71 00:03:26,227 --> 00:03:27,947 Speaker 3: we couldn't break through and now it's just try it 72 00:03:28,027 --> 00:03:30,827 Speaker 3: from here. And I think maybe that just the planning 73 00:03:30,867 --> 00:03:33,947 Speaker 3: in those situations would have been good. And plus they've 74 00:03:33,947 --> 00:03:36,227 Speaker 3: got one more note here. Back line moves they're not 75 00:03:36,267 --> 00:03:41,147 Speaker 3: really working. I counted clean breaks made. There were two 76 00:03:41,227 --> 00:03:44,667 Speaker 3: by Tomighty Williams and maybe one by Roy Guards. You know, 77 00:03:44,787 --> 00:03:46,627 Speaker 3: so there's a few work ons. 78 00:03:46,947 --> 00:03:50,347 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely there are work ons. Did you catch 79 00:03:50,387 --> 00:03:52,987 Speaker 4: any of the England South Africa game that preceded this one? 80 00:03:53,027 --> 00:03:55,067 Speaker 4: I kind of had half an eye on it. So 81 00:03:55,147 --> 00:03:57,387 Speaker 4: the Abriga winning at twenty nine twenty so that's back 82 00:03:57,387 --> 00:04:00,587 Speaker 4: to back losses for England at Twickenham, which I think 83 00:04:00,587 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 4: we can all probably have a little smile about that. 84 00:04:03,067 --> 00:04:04,147 Speaker 2: Did you catch any of this game? 85 00:04:05,027 --> 00:04:07,347 Speaker 3: I did see it, and I saw it. Cheslyn Colby 86 00:04:07,507 --> 00:04:12,867 Speaker 3: is still exceptional and tormenting England like he did in 87 00:04:12,867 --> 00:04:15,667 Speaker 3: that World Cup final in twenty nineteen. But what it 88 00:04:15,707 --> 00:04:18,707 Speaker 3: says to me is that I think Rassi Rasmus is 89 00:04:18,747 --> 00:04:20,227 Speaker 3: trying to do a bit of a Donald Trump here 90 00:04:20,267 --> 00:04:23,747 Speaker 3: and make South African rugby great again in between World Cups, 91 00:04:24,067 --> 00:04:27,667 Speaker 3: because before there always was a hangover period for South 92 00:04:27,707 --> 00:04:30,947 Speaker 3: Africa when you know, for some reason you could just 93 00:04:31,587 --> 00:04:34,867 Speaker 3: get a win over them, and you wonder what happened 94 00:04:34,907 --> 00:04:36,787 Speaker 3: to the South Africa of a hold. Whereas I feel 95 00:04:36,827 --> 00:04:39,947 Speaker 3: like Rassi is pretty much going around saying we're number 96 00:04:39,987 --> 00:04:42,387 Speaker 3: one and we're going to prove it every single time, 97 00:04:42,707 --> 00:04:46,507 Speaker 3: which is and frances is kind of doing the same, 98 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:49,187 Speaker 3: which is good to see. Really, I don't think I've 99 00:04:49,227 --> 00:04:52,867 Speaker 3: ever seen the top five of world rugby be this 100 00:04:53,027 --> 00:04:54,347 Speaker 3: competitive for a long time. 101 00:04:54,707 --> 00:04:57,587 Speaker 4: Yeah, And Australia will hope to rejoin that kind of 102 00:04:57,587 --> 00:05:00,827 Speaker 4: conversation at some point. They've got Wales tomorrow morning, who 103 00:05:00,827 --> 00:05:03,987 Speaker 4: are terrible. The Wallaby should win this one, I think 104 00:05:03,987 --> 00:05:08,107 Speaker 4: their firm favorites and Cardiff. But of Suali has been 105 00:05:08,587 --> 00:05:12,147 Speaker 4: after his very impressive debut, Josh Mitz put him on 106 00:05:12,147 --> 00:05:12,627 Speaker 4: the reserves. 107 00:05:12,627 --> 00:05:14,187 Speaker 2: Bend. What did you make of his debut and what 108 00:05:14,227 --> 00:05:15,267 Speaker 2: did you make of that decision? 109 00:05:16,227 --> 00:05:18,667 Speaker 3: Well, one of the great debuts the matter of the 110 00:05:18,667 --> 00:05:21,867 Speaker 3: match that took in him in that victory. I mean 111 00:05:21,947 --> 00:05:25,547 Speaker 3: he is a freaky six foot four six foot five. 112 00:05:25,627 --> 00:05:27,947 Speaker 3: I think about your hype pint, he can run a 113 00:05:27,947 --> 00:05:32,067 Speaker 3: bit faster than you, and he's just an incredible athlete 114 00:05:32,107 --> 00:05:33,587 Speaker 3: who there was a big battle when he was a 115 00:05:33,627 --> 00:05:36,467 Speaker 3: schoolboy whether he go to union or league, and he 116 00:05:36,507 --> 00:05:38,907 Speaker 3: went to league and that's probably helped him in a 117 00:05:38,987 --> 00:05:41,187 Speaker 3: lot of ways, you know, with the being in a 118 00:05:41,187 --> 00:05:44,507 Speaker 3: professional environment straight away, the conditioning they do and try 119 00:05:44,507 --> 00:05:46,547 Speaker 3: and get him up to speed. But I think he 120 00:05:46,587 --> 00:05:49,147 Speaker 3: could be the greatest convert, if you can really call 121 00:05:49,227 --> 00:05:51,667 Speaker 3: him a league convert. I think he could be the 122 00:05:51,667 --> 00:05:56,827 Speaker 3: greatest because for Australia, I mean, flow was probably equally 123 00:05:56,867 --> 00:06:00,347 Speaker 3: great in both codes. He might be the greatest, But 124 00:06:00,347 --> 00:06:03,987 Speaker 3: I always felt like Wendel's sailor loding to carry all 125 00:06:04,027 --> 00:06:06,587 Speaker 3: those other ones that came across, even Brad Thorne say 126 00:06:06,587 --> 00:06:10,907 Speaker 3: his body of work and the league was was almost equal, 127 00:06:10,907 --> 00:06:14,227 Speaker 3: if not better to rugby. So now I think this 128 00:06:14,387 --> 00:06:17,067 Speaker 3: is this, you know, it's a superstar is born really 129 00:06:17,347 --> 00:06:21,147 Speaker 3: with Joseph sol And and I'm also thinking, well, our 130 00:06:21,307 --> 00:06:25,067 Speaker 3: I'm Joseph, Joey Marno has switched to rugby, and so 131 00:06:25,107 --> 00:06:27,467 Speaker 3: how long will it take for him to get in there? 132 00:06:28,107 --> 00:06:30,747 Speaker 3: I did mention back on moves and and lack of 133 00:06:30,787 --> 00:06:34,627 Speaker 3: penetration there in the midfield. Maybe Joseph Marny could get 134 00:06:34,667 --> 00:06:36,147 Speaker 3: a shot in the near future. 135 00:06:36,707 --> 00:06:39,187 Speaker 4: Do you remember that guy Ian Crossham who played for 136 00:06:39,307 --> 00:06:41,107 Speaker 4: Southland for a bit Bay of plenty and then went 137 00:06:41,147 --> 00:06:42,347 Speaker 4: across and played for south. 138 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:45,307 Speaker 3: And Cronella exactly, He gave it a nudge that the 139 00:06:45,347 --> 00:06:47,987 Speaker 3: players going in the other direction. It's I mean, Scott 140 00:06:47,987 --> 00:06:51,787 Speaker 3: Goolay didn't remember there's a shoe. I mean, I mean 141 00:06:51,867 --> 00:06:54,587 Speaker 3: there's there's there's a lot of that sort of go 142 00:06:54,787 --> 00:06:58,387 Speaker 3: either way. But look, I think surely he is probably 143 00:06:58,707 --> 00:07:01,747 Speaker 3: gonna if he can eclipse Flowers body of workers. Impressive, 144 00:07:01,787 --> 00:07:04,067 Speaker 3: but I think so early he looks like he could 145 00:07:04,107 --> 00:07:06,067 Speaker 3: do it. He could be in the greatest congres. 146 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:09,027 Speaker 2: I'm not sure why Crossing popped into my head. Actually, 147 00:07:09,587 --> 00:07:13,187 Speaker 2: that's very it's a very niche, very niche reference. 148 00:07:12,907 --> 00:07:16,347 Speaker 4: When we're talking rugby union, rugby league, conferts Daryl Halligan. 149 00:07:16,387 --> 00:07:18,387 Speaker 3: Obviously one other great of course. 150 00:07:18,427 --> 00:07:21,467 Speaker 4: Of course, of course, Hey, there was a boxing fight 151 00:07:21,507 --> 00:07:23,627 Speaker 4: it was about yesterday between a YouTube and a fifty 152 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:24,107 Speaker 4: eight year old. 153 00:07:24,187 --> 00:07:24,787 Speaker 2: Did you watch it? 154 00:07:25,707 --> 00:07:27,867 Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately I did. I didn't want to. But as 155 00:07:27,907 --> 00:07:29,987 Speaker 3: soon as I saw that shot of Mike Tyson and 156 00:07:30,067 --> 00:07:32,467 Speaker 3: a G string. Somehow it sort of lured me in. 157 00:07:33,187 --> 00:07:35,907 Speaker 3: I just don't know why what's going on, but I 158 00:07:35,987 --> 00:07:39,347 Speaker 3: saw him and it was It was on the ACC 159 00:07:39,507 --> 00:07:43,027 Speaker 3: of course Alternative Commentary Collectives social media page, so I thought, 160 00:07:43,027 --> 00:07:45,947 Speaker 3: I'll get on Netflix and have a look. And like everybody, 161 00:07:46,027 --> 00:07:48,467 Speaker 3: I thought, Tyson nesa win it in the first round 162 00:07:49,027 --> 00:07:51,147 Speaker 3: or you know, early in the second, or it's all 163 00:07:51,187 --> 00:07:54,627 Speaker 3: over and it was all over just a points decision. 164 00:07:54,707 --> 00:07:57,147 Speaker 3: But I think it's anti sport to me. I don't 165 00:07:57,147 --> 00:08:01,067 Speaker 3: think it's just really a circus side show. And just 166 00:08:01,107 --> 00:08:02,987 Speaker 3: in terms of being fifty eight, I mean, I'm not 167 00:08:03,067 --> 00:08:06,067 Speaker 3: fail off that myself. But can you remember when George 168 00:08:06,107 --> 00:08:09,147 Speaker 3: Form came back, when he made his has comeback in 169 00:08:09,347 --> 00:08:12,827 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, he was thirty eight, and everybody thought 170 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:16,827 Speaker 3: that was old. You know, Yeah, it's just fifty eight 171 00:08:16,907 --> 00:08:20,627 Speaker 3: is a bridge too far, and that there's no point 172 00:08:20,707 --> 00:08:24,027 Speaker 3: to do that if boxing what it really needs to 173 00:08:24,067 --> 00:08:27,587 Speaker 3: do is get that kind of audience for their top 174 00:08:27,627 --> 00:08:30,667 Speaker 3: athletes so they can feel well aggrieved that they're not 175 00:08:30,707 --> 00:08:34,907 Speaker 3: getting twenty million dollars US or forty million. Perhaps I 176 00:08:34,947 --> 00:08:38,227 Speaker 3: was talking about the purse for both fighters. 177 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:41,387 Speaker 4: Yeah, crazy, I got about sixty seconds. Tim Saldy is 178 00:08:41,427 --> 00:08:44,267 Speaker 4: going to retire from international Test cricket after the upcoming 179 00:08:44,307 --> 00:08:47,387 Speaker 4: series against England. How will you remember him? 180 00:08:48,267 --> 00:08:51,067 Speaker 3: I remember him as someone who has exceptional got every 181 00:08:51,107 --> 00:08:56,547 Speaker 3: ounce of talent, who's sort of squeezed every ounce out 182 00:08:56,547 --> 00:08:58,307 Speaker 3: of his talent. I think he used as much as 183 00:08:58,307 --> 00:09:01,067 Speaker 3: he possibly could to get those three hundred and eighty 184 00:09:01,107 --> 00:09:05,467 Speaker 3: five Test wickets like the Pinkball Test and Eden Park 185 00:09:05,547 --> 00:09:08,467 Speaker 3: stands out. I think he just him and Trent Bolt 186 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:12,107 Speaker 3: were an awesome duo. He's on the mount rushmore of 187 00:09:13,067 --> 00:09:15,467 Speaker 3: top New Zealand bowlers and good honorm he'll get a 188 00:09:15,547 --> 00:09:17,387 Speaker 3: chance to sort of bow out on his own terms. 189 00:09:17,427 --> 00:09:22,067 Speaker 3: But look, Tim Salvey is he sort of looked a 190 00:09:22,067 --> 00:09:25,347 Speaker 3: bit you know and gainly, didn't he when he first 191 00:09:25,387 --> 00:09:27,467 Speaker 3: turned up? But I think it was Ricky Ponting he 192 00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:29,987 Speaker 3: said this kid's going to be good and he was right, 193 00:09:30,387 --> 00:09:31,947 Speaker 3: a great seven of his Zealand cricket. 194 00:09:32,347 --> 00:09:35,067 Speaker 4: Well said mate, Well said James. Great to chat as always, mate. 195 00:09:35,067 --> 00:09:37,307 Speaker 4: We'll do it again next Sunday. 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