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Speaker 1: Because of yesterday. We need to make up time. Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Christopher Luxe with us. Good morning, Well, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Mike, listen. Apologies about yesterday, but I want to say

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Speaker 2: I'm back on the show today with your beautiful show,

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Speaker 2: with your big audience and your big host. It's wonderful

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Speaker 2: to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. Have you been talking to Donald Trump? Per chance.

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Speaker 2: That's the reason I didn't come on the show yesterday,

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Speaker 2: as you know.

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Speaker 1: But apologies for that because no need, no need for apologies.

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Speaker 2: Straight from that show into the National Apology.

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Speaker 1: If it had been the Prime Minister of Australia, I

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Speaker 1: would have been offended. But the President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: of course, I can course it right. Sweepstak sweepstake time.

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Speaker 1: I said the call was due to start at seven forty.

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Speaker 1: I said it started at eight fourteen. Sam says eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Glenn says eight twenty. Yeah, I think I think Sam

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Speaker 1: might be on the money.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen was delayed and there's a lot going on on

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Speaker 2: their site as they sort of go through those four

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Speaker 2: thousand appointments, and it was very decent. I'm actually to

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Speaker 2: take time out. So you said it did start, it

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Speaker 2: later than anticipated. Which is why we were late with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying eighteen was it and Sam's the winner?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen yep, eighteen yep.

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Speaker 1: Did he use the term at any point? I know

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Speaker 1: you can't talk about what was on the phone call.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but did he use the term at

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Speaker 1: any point? Drill baby, drill? No, he didn't.

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Speaker 2: What we did is I congratulated him on what was

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously a very decisive and comprehensive win. You

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Speaker 2: just reflecting on it at I don't think even Reagan

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Speaker 2: or Bush Senior won what were the trifector of the

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Speaker 2: three branches of government there, But you know, that was

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Speaker 2: an incredibly massive win, and I wanted to acknowledge that

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Speaker 2: and congratulate him on that. He had was a very

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Speaker 2: warm It was really a relationship call. We hadn't met before,

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Speaker 2: and it was clear to me, you know, he was

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Speaker 2: very warm. He was looking forward to catching up in

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Speaker 2: person and due course, and also you know the current

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Speaker 2: perception of New Zealand is actually very positive and also

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Speaker 2: of our government. So you know, it was a good,

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Speaker 2: good call and we talked on touched very briefly on

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Speaker 2: some global conflicts, working to get him into a Pacific

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Speaker 2: and then discussed economic conditions really and in the US

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Speaker 2: and also in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Did you get a word in edgeways?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was good. It was really good. Actually

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Speaker 2: it was a good two way conversation. And again I

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Speaker 2: was impressed that he knew about New Zealand and has

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Speaker 2: a very favorable impression of New Zealand as a country,

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Speaker 2: which is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Did he use the word Bob Charles, No, there was

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Speaker 1: no Bob Charles mentioned lydia Co. No golf courses, golf

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Speaker 1: courses yes, did he name a golf course? No, So

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Speaker 1: he said, you really have had a seep state.

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Speaker 2: They've been running a tea.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, I need to pay the

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Speaker 1: mortgage this month. I was hoping that winter month. Now,

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Speaker 1: listen to more serious man.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Your interest rates are coming down, Mike, I.

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Speaker 1: Yes they are now. As to yesterday, of all the

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Speaker 1: things you've done so far as Prime Minister, where did

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Speaker 1: yesterday sit for you? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday was a pretty tough day. It was pretty emotional day.

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Speaker 2: You're facing up to you, you know, wide scale abuse

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Speaker 2: with tens of thousands of people that was impacted from

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Speaker 2: events that in some cases were up to seven two

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Speaker 2: years ago, and you've spent time with the survivors and

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Speaker 2: I can tell you incredible people, but just incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just said harrowing stories. To be honest. I've actually read

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Speaker 2: all three thousand pages of the Royal Commission of Inquiry

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Speaker 2: into State Abuse, and you know, I just encourage anyone

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Speaker 2: if you want to understand what's really gone on, and

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Speaker 2: sort of actually do want to understand a bit more,

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Speaker 2: you know, go read one of those accounts, for a

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Speaker 2: couple of those accounts and you'll get a sense of

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Speaker 2: how the state didn't look after the most vulnerable people

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand at that time very well. So you know,

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Speaker 2: you feel a huge weight of responsibility because you're speaking

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Speaker 2: for the current government, but you're also speaking you know,

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Speaker 2: on behalf of all previous governments that have come before,

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Speaker 2: of all different persuasions, and so yeah, that's why it

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Speaker 2: was good that myself and Chris Sipkins were able to

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Speaker 2: defront and to be able to represent past then current

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Speaker 2: governments and in their future.

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Speaker 1: Lies your dilemma though, because already somebody called it a

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Speaker 1: PR stunt yesterday and you've opened a can of worms.

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Speaker 1: I'm not blaming you for anything, but I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a tremendous expectation building that you're writing some checks and

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Speaker 1: no matter what you do, there's going to be disappointment.

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Speaker 1: I take it you're cognizant of that and this is you.

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Speaker 1: You're in a boy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's the situation. I mean, we've had a

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Speaker 2: six year Row Commission of Inquiry. It's been our most

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Speaker 2: complex longest we've ever had. You've got sixteen volumes, you've

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Speaker 2: got three thousand pages, you've got one hundred and thirty recommendations,

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Speaker 2: and this report ninety five on an interim report, a

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Speaker 2: huge amount of complexity right over a huge amount of time,

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Speaker 2: with a mess a set of individualized circumstances of wide

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Speaker 2: scale abuse. So you know that's the starting point. So

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Speaker 2: it is messy and it is difficult and it is hard,

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Speaker 2: but we actually have to talk about that and we

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Speaker 2: have to put some sunlight on that. So then the

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Speaker 2: question is you've got to do three things. I think

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Speaker 2: one is your first and foremost. Have to acknowledge it,

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Speaker 2: which is why the report needed to be tabled in

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Speaker 2: a formal apology. The second thing is we've got to

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Speaker 2: support the survivors and thirdly we have to importantly prevent

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Speaker 2: that abuse from happening again in upgrade all of the

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Speaker 2: practices across the agency. So look, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: It is difficult as messy. We will not satisfy and

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Speaker 2: meet everybody's expectations as we go through it. On the

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Speaker 2: financial redress thing, Mike, it's quite I don't think most

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders would be aware, but for twenty years now

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Speaker 2: there has been a financial redress claims system in place

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Speaker 2: and four thousand survivors have had their claims addressed through that.

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Speaker 2: There's three and a half thousand in the system currently

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Speaker 2: and what we have had is feedback from the Royal

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Speaker 2: Commission that can take up to four to five years,

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Speaker 2: and that is part of the process. Isn't very efficient

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Speaker 2: or very fair or very good. We think we can

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Speaker 2: improve that in the short term, but then we do

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Speaker 2: have to move to one single independent financial redress system,

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Speaker 2: and that is complex and hard because yes, we're dealing

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Speaker 2: with difficult economic times for New Zealand, but you're also

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Speaker 2: dealing with acknowledging that no amount of money frankly makes

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Speaker 2: any of this abuse acceptable on any dimension. So you

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Speaker 2: know it's starting from those and then having to find

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Speaker 2: a way to work your way practically through it.

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Speaker 1: Give me a time, when will they know?

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Speaker 2: Erica and I are working really hard to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we can do it in early twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five, and so the first half of twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know, we'll go as fast as

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Speaker 2: we possibly can to deal with that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: lot of design work to be done as to eligibility,

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Speaker 2: how you actually administ the system. At the moment, the

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Speaker 2: claims process comes through four different government agencies, you know,

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Speaker 2: how for MSD or OT or education, and it's variable

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Speaker 2: and then the payments are different, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of complexity to work through. As

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Speaker 2: we sought that system out.

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Speaker 1: Only got sixty seconds left apeck anything tangible or not.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting, Mike coming You've got a

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Speaker 2: US president at the end of the term, You've got

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Speaker 2: the Chinese president there. I will sit down with a

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Speaker 2: you know, we have strong advocates for free trade and

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Speaker 2: yet you've got many other countries around the world that

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Speaker 2: have been moving away from that, US and China included.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really interested in my first one to see

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Speaker 2: whether we can make the case for you know, good

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Speaker 2: trading principles that we can excite the other twenty one

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Speaker 1: Oh quickly, sorry, almost forgot the fair Digital News Bargaining Bill.

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Speaker 1: Is it dead in the water? It was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be on the paperwork today it's not. It's vanished. Is

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Speaker 1: it dead? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, Look, that's really a question for Paul Goldsmith. I

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Speaker 2: tasked him with that role to work his way through

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Speaker 2: that issue.

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Speaker 1: But what did I tell you when you see it?

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Speaker 1: It's not on the thing today, Paul.

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Speaker 2: No, that's just us juggling some other things around that

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Speaker 2: we want to get through before the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: As I've got these forty three actions that I'm pushing

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Speaker 2: the last two weeks of the year, so I'm pushing ministers.

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Speaker 2: It is still your life, say about surely? Yeah, still

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Speaker 2: live And he's working for his way through it. I

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Speaker 2: know he is. He'll pop up and have more to

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Speaker 1: Surely, right. Appreciate your time, Christaler Lux and Prime Mins.

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