Speaker 1: Welcome to the BAC podcast, coming here from the Export
Speaker 1: Beer Garden studio in the midst of another I think
Speaker 1: gloom laden and fascinating week in recent New Zealand cricket history.
Speaker 1: This week we reflect on what the announcement from New
Speaker 1: Zealand Cricket about Steady the Ship's future plans. We grind
Speaker 1: some gears about the warm down matches against the Uganda
Speaker 1: Cricket Cranes and the Papa New Guinea Baron Mundy's and
Speaker 1: Davey Dumdum provides more incontrovertible evidence that he's a massive punisher.
Speaker 1: I'm Paul Ford, godfather of the Big Brigade, and I'm
Speaker 1: joined by a master of the New Zealand Cricket scoop
Speaker 1: this week, Dylan Pleaver Our Plenty Dente of the substack
Speaker 1: sports newsletter The Bounce DC. How are your optimism levels
Speaker 1: this week? Mate?
Speaker 2: Flatlining? It's been an interesting week actually, particularly for myself.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, I was lucky enough to get a
Speaker 2: tip that King Williams and was about to take up
Speaker 2: the option well turned down the option of a central
Speaker 2: contract in favor of a casual pain contract. I've sort
Speaker 2: of chicily put it in here that he's literally torn
Speaker 2: up his contract and thrown it in the face of
Speaker 2: New Zealand CEO and friend of the BYC Scott Weenink
Speaker 2: Will New Zealand Cricket Players Association CAPO di Caappily. Heath
Speaker 2: Mills laughs maniacally from his bolt hole in the Hanua Rangers,
Speaker 2: which is a he.
Speaker 1: Does have a he does have a bit of a
Speaker 1: Marlin Brando feel about him sometimes, Heath Mills, and I
Speaker 1: mean that in a loving and respectful way.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So it is interesting. And look I break
Speaker 2: the story that he is going to take up a
Speaker 2: casual contract. There is all sorts of mechanics around it
Speaker 2: that make this reasonably unique. The fact that New Zealand
Speaker 2: doesn't have international cricket, doesn't have tests scheduled for that
Speaker 2: generary win. He's almost certainly got an option to go
Speaker 2: and play in South Africa. And look, if you take
Speaker 2: it at face value, he is committing it seems, at
Speaker 2: least for the medium to long term to New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2: So I guess I write the news story. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to throw the analysis to you, Paul, and then
Speaker 2: what does it all mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one. I mean it was I
Speaker 1: guess there was sort of some bread crumbs that went
Speaker 1: there after the pupa New Guinea game where he got
Speaker 1: asked about what he was going to do and what
Speaker 1: were his plans after the early exit, and his words were,
Speaker 1: I don't know, which is always that's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that a veteran journalist such as yourself may may
Speaker 1: have clocked. He did say, there's a bit of time
Speaker 1: between now and the twenty twenty six World Cup India
Speaker 1: and Sri Lanka, so it's about regrouping. We've got red
Speaker 1: ball cricket over the next year, so it's back into
Speaker 1: some other international formats and we'll see where things land. Well,
Speaker 1: that's hardly kind of a full level commitment. I think
Speaker 1: it did sort of indicate that he was trying to
Speaker 1: work out where to next, and I guess part of
Speaker 1: that might have been whether he was going to step
Speaker 1: away entirely from international cricket, maybe do a home summer
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, look, sorry, I was just going
Speaker 1: to say the other thing as well, of because then
Speaker 1: I'd see some comments from Michael absolutely putting the boot
Speaker 1: into Kam Willimson a better strike great in the t
Speaker 1: twenty world cut, So good on Michael Vaughan for that,
Speaker 1: I guess. But yeah, look, I guess with the president
Speaker 1: of Trent bolt back in twenty twenty two, it's just
Speaker 1: no surprise that some of these guys that are kind
Speaker 1: of living in the double worlds of being our best
Speaker 1: players and also our most desirable players for TEA twenty
Speaker 1: franchises and coming I guess the triple world also being
Speaker 1: wanted by the franchises, but also coming to the end
Speaker 1: of their careers and just trying to work out how
Speaker 1: to have a foot in both camps. It's hard to
Speaker 1: sort of deny them that I think that I think
Speaker 1: it was Andrew Gordy maybe on Newshubs it's something like
Speaker 1: get over it and get used to it. And I
Speaker 1: think the alternate reality here is that we don't have
Speaker 1: Kine and so I do think that generally New Zealand
Speaker 1: cricket here have done a good job. And I think
Speaker 1: Scott when taking him at face early and no reason
Speaker 1: not to, you know, the basically said world cricket's changing,
Speaker 1: it's changing dramatically and we need to continue to be
Speaker 1: dynamic with our contracting situation. In other words, A bit
Speaker 1: like how we take on Test cricket shit sorry, international
Speaker 1: cricket matches. We just kind of have to take what
Speaker 1: we're given a little bit in this front. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't have the power. New Zealand Cricket does not
Speaker 1: have the power. Sure, I mean they could say, cool, well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to go and do that, Kane, we're
Speaker 1: not going to have you play for us at all. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's an option. I don't think that's better. And it's
Speaker 1: a pretty funky summer with certainly bugger all crickets at
Speaker 1: Bugger all Test cricket and zero Test cricket I think
Speaker 1: in January, and you know, it's hard to deny Kane
Speaker 1: an opportunity like that. Particularly. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: had had a quick look at the numbers DC, but
Speaker 1: those salaries in that South African T twenty or the
Speaker 1: SA twenty league just just ballpark salaries. Harry Brook he
Speaker 1: was on and eighty grand, Jimmy Nish two hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety grand, Liam Livingston seven hundred and thirty seven grand,
Speaker 1: and Tristan Stubbs the highest paid player eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So you know, literally Kan Limson could go over there
Speaker 1: and get paid more than when he gets paid to
Speaker 1: my New Zealand Cricket. It's it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: just the reality that our guys, as they come to
Speaker 1: the end of their careers are going to be considering
Speaker 1: their options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look at a little bit of correspondent
Speaker 2: saying this was a silly move by Kane because he's
Speaker 2: not good enough to play IPL anymore. He's not that
Speaker 2: attractive to IPL, and that look that might actually be true.
Speaker 2: The IPL cricket may have moved past Kane and as
Speaker 2: his particular style of playing, but he's still hellishly attractive.
Speaker 2: I would imagine two franchise leagues like the SA twenty,
Speaker 2: like the IL T twenty in the UAE, because he's
Speaker 2: a name, he's a great bloke that brings no baggage
Speaker 2: with him, and he's almost effectively like a player coach
Speaker 2: within some of those setups. It's scoop for the young guys.
Speaker 2: So I don't think he's I would push back on
Speaker 2: the notion that the T twenty game has moved past them.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the IPL has and maybe his shortcomings
Speaker 2: have been exposed a little bit. Even T twenty eyes
Speaker 2: but there's still certainly plenty of opportunities for him to
Speaker 2: cash in that respect here right back in the country
Speaker 2: this morning as it happened, and did a stand up
Speaker 2: media at Aukland Airport and here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3: I think everybody has a different situation and they're trying
Speaker 3: to assess what it is for them and for me
Speaker 3: and my family and at the stage my career and
Speaker 3: the calendar that we have coming up, it's something exciting
Speaker 3: and something to look forward to and something a little
Speaker 3: bit different without really interfering with the international schedule. So
Speaker 3: although it's turning down I suppose a central contract, it's
Speaker 3: really no different in terms of the playing schedule and
Speaker 3: representing New Zealand. I mean, I want to play as
Speaker 3: long as I can. I love playing for New Zealand.
Speaker 3: I've really really enjoyed my time captaining and it's been
Speaker 3: a privilege and an honor to do that for a
Speaker 3: number of years. And I'm excited with what's next for
Speaker 3: the team in terms of their leadership as well, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to being a part of that. In
Speaker 3: terms of a time frame, it's difficult to say I
Speaker 3: want to keep being keep doing as well as they
Speaker 3: can keep trying to improve and play as long as
Speaker 3: they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think that's probably what you'd expect, came
Speaker 2: will him to say, and he came and listened to say.
Speaker 1: And maybe once he's torn us, maybe once he once
Speaker 1: he's actually torn his contract up, he might. Do you
Speaker 1: think he might start sort of swinging from the rafters
Speaker 1: become an incredibly amazing media or if you're just teeing
Speaker 1: off on people left front and center and taking no prisoners,
Speaker 1: or do you think he's going to just keep sort
Speaker 1: of kneting and just keeping everything out DC.
Speaker 2: I think he still likes to play a fairly straight
Speaker 2: back when the opportunity present itself. And look, I would
Speaker 2: say that, look, this may be a positive in this
Speaker 2: particular case as regards Kane Williamson's immediate future with the
Speaker 2: black Caps. And we all I mean purists, we're purists.
Speaker 2: We want to see him played Test cricket for as
Speaker 2: long as possible. We want to see him smash some
Speaker 2: of those batting records. Well he's actually already smashed all
Speaker 2: the New Zealand betting records. We want to put them
Speaker 2: into areas that perhaps no one is going to get
Speaker 2: to in our lifetime so when we're old and gray,
Speaker 2: we can tell our grandkids about the magnificence of Kane Williamson.
Speaker 2: But I do think that it's gilding the lily slightly
Speaker 2: to not acknowledge that this, the widest symptoms of this
Speaker 2: are troubling for New Zealand cricket and that the Super Smash,
Speaker 2: which is our franchise T twenty League, just holds no
Speaker 2: appeal for our best players. Maybe I'm being a little
Speaker 2: bit hash there about it, not by much.
Speaker 1: I think you are, And I think where it's getting
Speaker 1: to as well, is that not only is it why
Speaker 1: is it not appealing? It's because the best players aren't
Speaker 1: playing because they are in hot demand in South Africa,
Speaker 1: in the UAE and Pakistan and the new American League
Speaker 1: that's going to spark up, which is going to clash
Speaker 1: pretty much directly, and then you've got the Big Bash
Speaker 1: pretty much either just before just after. I've got that
Speaker 1: schedule in my brain. I know they've compacted it a
Speaker 1: bit to sort of get out of the way of
Speaker 1: other tournaments and so forth. But yeah, it's yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: I guess reiterate what a backwater the Super Smash really
Speaker 1: is from an international cricketer's point of view.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also the Super Smash does make up
Speaker 2: at quite a significant portion of what New Zealand Cricket
Speaker 2: sells to the local broadcasters. If your TV and z
Speaker 2: now or your Sky TV and you're looking to negotiate
Speaker 2: the next deal with New Zealand Cricket, they're not really
Speaker 2: in a position of strength when they get around that
Speaker 2: table and say, hey, we've got this great T twenty
Speaker 2: product for you that you can put on prime time
Speaker 2: in those summer months where people are sitting around having
Speaker 2: beers with their mates. They are going to push back
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: Now, that's right, and you know, just to remind people,
Speaker 1: so currently, if you're a player with a central contract
Speaker 1: with New Zealand Cricket, you have to commit to obviously
Speaker 1: playing the international matches pretty much, and you have to
Speaker 1: commit to being available for the Super Smash competition. That's
Speaker 1: kind of those are the two main criteria around availability.
Speaker 1: And yes, you're right, if you're going to have players
Speaker 1: kind of we're going to have that as a rule
Speaker 1: with a couple of asterisks, and those asterisks are your
Speaker 1: most important players. Yeah, look, I think yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: One thing I would say is I have absolutely no
Speaker 1: doubt that when Williamson talks about wanting to play for
Speaker 1: New Zealand and his I guess his patriotic calling and
Speaker 1: how much he loves playing for the team, that does
Speaker 1: ring true with him. You know, he could one hundred
Speaker 1: percent have been pulling up stumps here or saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play the Test matches against England and
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into Christmas and I'm going to
Speaker 1: put my feet up and I'm just going to travel
Speaker 1: the world with my little kids and my English wife
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, never play for New Zealand again,
Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone would be wouldn't be sad,
Speaker 1: but you'd go, you know what, he's done a pretty
Speaker 1: bloody good shift. But yeah, interesting, very very interesting times
Speaker 1: for cricket in New Zealand and New Zealand cricket for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, if this is the last time came Williams
Speaker 2: and ever captains this country, and it's looking more and
Speaker 2: more likely, it's a non negotiable. You cannot kept in
Speaker 2: your country if you're not on a central contract. You know,
Speaker 2: what's his legacy, what's the kind of what's his premature
Speaker 2: that he leaves on New Zealand cricket as a skipper.
Speaker 2: And before you say that, I'm just going to run
Speaker 2: through a few facts and figures for you. And tests
Speaker 2: he kept him forty times for twenty two wins as
Speaker 2: a veteran as a captain, the average fifty seven point
Speaker 2: four to three, which is higher significantly higher than his
Speaker 2: overall average eleven hundreds. As a captain, he kept him
Speaker 2: the second most tests after flem and had the second
Speaker 2: best winning percentage of those who are captained at least
Speaker 2: ten tests, behind the one and only Tim Salvey who's
Speaker 2: captained exactly ten tests. ODI Eyes he kept in ninety
Speaker 2: one times for forty six wins. He averaged fifty one
Speaker 2: point three five as a batting captain and ODI eyes,
Speaker 2: which again is significantly higher than his overall average seven hundred,
Speaker 2: second most ODI Eyes captain behind Flemm. Somewhat surprisingly, this
Speaker 2: actually six best winning percentage of a captain with those
Speaker 2: who are at least ten games skippered behind Tom Lathan,
Speaker 2: Brenda McCallum, Daniel Vittori, which was surprised about actually Jeff
Speaker 2: Howth and John Wright, which was even more surprised about
Speaker 2: T twenty is captain seventy five times fifty percent plus
Speaker 2: winning record just over fifty percent. I think most T
Speaker 2: twenty eyes captained obviously averaged thirty three point six moore
Speaker 2: with the bat with sixteen fifties only a tiny bit
Speaker 2: higher average with the bat as a captain. Those are
Speaker 2: the raw numbers, but more generally, more holistically, how do
Speaker 2: you view him as captain across those formats?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's the thing. Is he going to
Speaker 1: go down in time as probably our greatest when you
Speaker 1: look at some of the results that the team has
Speaker 1: gained with him, either as a player or as a
Speaker 1: captain across all formats. He has been one of those
Speaker 1: constant presences over the last fifteen twenty years. Whatever you
Speaker 1: just said, so an extraordinary batsman, a fantastic captain across
Speaker 1: all formats, and I guess a leader of men in
Speaker 1: a very kind of came Williamson way, just that classic
Speaker 1: way that we've talked about before. New Zealanders love it. Sure,
Speaker 1: Brendan McCullum was did it in a different way. But
Speaker 1: Kaine Williamson as your stoic follow me kind of a
Speaker 1: guy I've got this, I never panic acknowledge you very
Speaker 1: respectful of the opposition, all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's going to be looked back
Speaker 1: upon it. People are going to get well, he's literally
Speaker 1: already talked about us the one of the all time greats,
Speaker 1: potentially our greatest cricketer of all time. Even anytime you're
Speaker 1: being mentioned in the same breath as Sir Richard Hadley,
Speaker 1: you know, you're starting to be in quite a pantheon
Speaker 1: of New Zealand cricket. And I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess I've kind of touched on it there, but I
Speaker 1: think that the way that he's played the game, you know,
Speaker 1: I think the guys that have played with him, I
Speaker 1: think he's managed to keep the team together potentially, you know,
Speaker 1: after Brendan McCullum, you could have seen things splinter and fragment,
Speaker 1: but the fact that Kane was there and we call
Speaker 1: him steady the ship, and you know, it's steadying that
Speaker 1: ship of the black Cats. In this sense, he's the
Speaker 1: kind of person that players stay around to play with
Speaker 1: a because he'll probably help you win the games. But
Speaker 1: he's obviously just one of those guys that people get
Speaker 1: out onto the field for and play for. He brings
Speaker 1: them together not Yeah, so I think that that piece
Speaker 1: around the way that he's played the game, and the
Speaker 1: other thing is as well. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: get heaps of stock on this, but you do get
Speaker 1: the sense that he's the kind of person that gets
Speaker 1: on with basically every single player in international cricket, which
Speaker 1: is quite extraordin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find it almost I find it quite tricky
Speaker 2: to describe his legacy as a skipper a skipper because
Speaker 2: following the black Caps during the Brendan McCallum Captaincy era,
Speaker 2: it was almost like a visceral experience, not so much
Speaker 2: with Cain Williamson, but it was kind of better. And
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure why. I really struggled to articulate
Speaker 2: why I enjoyed watching the black Caps under Kane Williamson,
Speaker 2: possibly more than I did it under Brenda McCallum. Yet
Speaker 2: Brendan mcallum, it was just such a seat of the
Speaker 2: pants ride. It was bastic, Yeah, And it was all
Speaker 2: those cliches like tumbling into advertizing hoardings to save a
Speaker 2: meaningless one in this kind of thing, and it was
Speaker 2: great fun. But it was almost like he set them
Speaker 2: up and then came Williamson. Just it was this ultra
Speaker 2: smooth transition. Maybe we drifted back into more percentage style
Speaker 2: of cricket. Not I wouldn't go so far as to
Speaker 2: say we went back to the Daniel Vittori very kind
Speaker 2: of statistical, data heavy percentage style of cricket. But there
Speaker 2: was something that was there was a bit of a
Speaker 2: sparkle missing, and yet the way they went about it
Speaker 2: was just so pristine that I thoroughly enjoyed it. I
Speaker 2: followed them around for a summer as a reporter while
Speaker 2: I was still at the Herald. It was the summer
Speaker 2: they qualified for the World Test Championship. Unfortunately I didn't
Speaker 2: get to go to Southampton and watch the crown and glory,
Speaker 2: but I covered all those tests where they qualified and
Speaker 2: it was the most fun I've had covering cricket. And
Speaker 2: yet I'm not quite sure why, and I've struggled to
Speaker 2: articulate it, and that will always be my I guess
Speaker 2: as paradox I have with Caan Williamson, but I think
Speaker 2: he is New Zealand's greatest cricketer. And if you want
Speaker 2: to argue, the toss was Sir Richard Hadley, I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you to do that because Paddles was
Speaker 2: a legendary and groundbreaking and barrier breaking in terms of
Speaker 2: giving New Zealand cricket that respectability that never had. I
Speaker 2: just think came on Us has probably done more for
Speaker 2: the game overall. But yeah, it's it's sad, but I'm
Speaker 2: glad we've got them as a player in a world
Speaker 2: class batter. But it sounds like another three to four years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll definitely, we'll take every little piece of that
Speaker 1: hairy little man from Totalinger that we can get over
Speaker 1: the next few years. Hey, we're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break the see and then we'll come back and
Speaker 1: we'll go into the entrails of the World T twenty
Speaker 1: campaign and New Zealand's warm down games. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the BYC and DC. I think you've described it as
Speaker 1: New Zealand peaking perfectly to thrash Uganda and Papa New Guinea,
Speaker 1: giving those a cricketing superpowers a jolly good hiding and
Speaker 1: teaching those basards to lesson. Is that your sort of
Speaker 1: take on things?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought they'd give They plan this campaign perfectly,
Speaker 2: really didn't they They knew they were underdone getting the air,
Speaker 2: but it didn't bother them one little bit because by
Speaker 2: the time they got to it was Uganda first, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: They were ready to put them to the sword, dismissing
Speaker 2: Uganda for forty and then chasing it down with their
Speaker 2: loss of just one wicket in five point two overs.
Speaker 2: They followed that up again by inserting Papua New Guinea
Speaker 2: and dismissing them for seventy eight and then chasing it
Speaker 2: down with the loss of three wickets. Actually, and it
Speaker 2: took them a wee while twelve point two overs to
Speaker 2: win by seven wickets. We had a man on the
Speaker 2: ground over there actually pulled. Do you want to read
Speaker 2: what he has to say about this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, We did. Yeah, it's an interesting little
Speaker 1: piece of correspondence. Well, that all went about as well
Speaker 1: as expected. But I have to get this off my chest.
Speaker 1: What a dick move by caning to bowl first last night.
Speaker 1: He could have at least let the guy smash two
Speaker 1: hundred against the minnows and give the new Deellan and
Speaker 1: who traveled. There's something to cheer about. I love Cane,
Speaker 1: but it was like they just wanted to get home.
Speaker 1: Early after the game, the Augaendon players came over and
Speaker 1: acknowledged their fans who traveled halfway around the world from
Speaker 1: Africa to support them. We got away from Lovely Trinity anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm off the Lucia now for the West Indies versus
Speaker 1: Afghanistan game, which I thought would decide our place in
Speaker 1: the quarters. I'm a West Indies fan now looking forward
Speaker 1: to the next podcast. It's from Mark. Cheers Mark and
Speaker 1: safe travels. Mate tough over there.
Speaker 2: And we also received this from Matt. He said, Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: is watching our guys sit on the sideline on the
Speaker 2: IPL and then playing poorly when they do play get
Speaker 2: kind of humiliating for Black Cat fans. It was okay,
Speaker 2: then we would perform well on tests and World Caps.
Speaker 2: I prove everyone wrong. Do these guys think they're not
Speaker 2: preparing well and getting thrashed at the World Cup will
Speaker 2: earn them lucrative T twenty contracts first really negative message
Speaker 2: in a long time from Matt, So there is a
Speaker 2: little bit of angst. Yeah, after all Matt described came
Speaker 2: Dick move. Perhaps he's one that's not as upseid as
Speaker 2: a number of people are. That he's tuning down the
Speaker 2: Captain sy look. I don't know if we need to
Speaker 2: scavenger around in the intrails of that campaign much more
Speaker 2: than you already had, other than say it did not
Speaker 2: go well. Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. Maybe I did hypothesize that
Speaker 1: perhaps the players were a bit worried about cricket violence
Speaker 1: corner being committed by those New Zealand fans who traveled
Speaker 1: ten thousand miles to be at that game. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I do wonder if the players just wanted to get
Speaker 1: the hell out of there. I'm not really defending it,
Speaker 1: more of an explanation really. I guess the most interesting
Speaker 1: things about that game were, and I think Cole Mill
Speaker 1: said this actually on the Agenda podcast, it's a weird
Speaker 1: T twenty game when the thing that you're talking about
Speaker 1: the most of twenty four dot palls, which is of
Speaker 1: course what Luckie Ferguson brought to the party, alongside the
Speaker 1: very very valuable wickets of course of Vala, Amini and Soper.
Speaker 2: So's so fair. I love that.
Speaker 1: I guess the other thing that caught my eye thin
Speaker 1: Allen got a couple. I think it gets again a
Speaker 1: bit failed again against a Papa New Guinea. He has
Speaker 1: had a tough tough time and yeah, look nice soy
Speaker 1: to finally get a game. That's the other thing that
Speaker 1: caught my eye. He would have had a very frustrating
Speaker 1: couple of weeks over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should probably talk about Lucky a little bit actually,
Speaker 2: because and just to go to max point one more time,
Speaker 2: I think we would be more patronizing if you win
Speaker 2: the tis on clearly a bowl first wicket and then
Speaker 2: just have a bat for ships and giggles. I don't
Speaker 2: think cricket quite works like that. So I will defend
Speaker 2: Kane and this decision to bowl first, although if I
Speaker 2: was at the ground and a travel that far, I
Speaker 2: would have also been mortified, So I think you can
Speaker 2: both be right on this occasion.
Speaker 1: We're probably also slightly surprised that New Zealand did actually
Speaker 1: read the conditions correctly in the substance and managed to
Speaker 1: get the job done after making the right decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Lucky for over his four maidens three for
Speaker 2: naught is extraordinary, and he backs it up also with
Speaker 2: the news that he is to decline his national contract.
Speaker 2: He won't be given the kind of sweetheart deal Kane
Speaker 2: is getting and I think there's fine. I think that's
Speaker 2: fair enough. I think Lucky probably understands it's fair enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thoughts on Lockey's decision, and I guess his future because
Speaker 2: he is still equality bowler to twenty high level.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to work that out this then
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can clarify this for me. So Lockie
Speaker 1: Ferguson has declined a central contract, which means that does
Speaker 1: that mean that he is no longer available for New
Speaker 1: Zealand for white ball games or is he running a
Speaker 1: sort of a Trent Bolt scenario where he can kind
Speaker 1: of or a Jimmy Nishan type scenario where he's freelancing
Speaker 1: and available to play and will be picked. So he's
Speaker 1: available to play and can be picked. I guess that's
Speaker 1: my question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can still be picked. But the difference, I
Speaker 2: guess between getting right into the weeds of contracts here.
Speaker 2: But I guess the difference is if you're on a
Speaker 2: central contract, you get a retainer for the year and
Speaker 2: then you get your match fees on top of that.
Speaker 2: Kaine has moved onto a casual contract, so when he
Speaker 2: is available for New Zealand, when he's in camp with
Speaker 2: New Zealand, he will be paid a retainer for that
Speaker 2: time as well as his match fees. Lucky Ferguson and
Speaker 2: I believe in a mill might be another one who
Speaker 2: turns down a central contract when they play for New
Speaker 2: Zealand they are playing for match FEESH.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, that's a great clarification. I guess the other point
Speaker 1: that has been made and maybe applied inconsistently or on
Speaker 1: a needs must basis, but is that you would expect
Speaker 1: that centrally contracted players will be preferred primarily ahead of
Speaker 1: casual players and uncontracted players. So that would you know,
Speaker 1: Lockeye's move would would probably be good news if you
Speaker 1: want to put it that way, for the likes of
Speaker 1: will I Rourke. Ben says, those guys that are kind
Speaker 1: of fringe selections at the moment and when all the
Speaker 1: big dogs are back, they're not quite breaking that that
Speaker 1: that to eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So those guys that are hovering around sort of
Speaker 2: twenty one to twenty five on the ranking list that
Speaker 2: just miss out on the central contracts and they would
Speaker 2: then be bumped down to the top domestic contracts which
Speaker 2: really only contract for six months and I don't know
Speaker 2: who is around that twenty one to twenty five mark
Speaker 2: that you are probably talking about your O'Rourke's And no,
Speaker 2: actually Orock will be well up the list now because
Speaker 2: he's shun so.
Speaker 1: It's got ever been a Nathan Smith or something like that, Nathan.
Speaker 2: Smith as sears, maybe even a Henry Nichols who's really
Speaker 2: only considered for ODI and tests and he's been dropped
Speaker 2: from the test team. He's probably hovering around that twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one level now, So that those sort of guys
Speaker 2: might be having it a couple more decide to hand
Speaker 2: in their contracts and because we shouldn't make an idea
Speaker 2: that they still are desirable, I think for the bulk
Speaker 2: of cricketers in New Zealand, as central contractor is very desirable.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, well that's it's a six fo sum, isn't it.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're going to turn down that contract,
Speaker 1: you've either got to be backing yourself that you're going
Speaker 1: to be doing well in a profession as a professional
Speaker 1: cricketer in other parts of the world, or you've got
Speaker 1: a really good day job with heaps of annual le
Speaker 1: So yeah, good luck with either of those two things
Speaker 1: that's are pretty both are pretty niche arrangements. I guess
Speaker 1: the other thing that we might see in terms of
Speaker 1: those contract lists is we might get a little taste
Speaker 1: of how the selectors are seeing New Zealand's needs for
Speaker 1: the future of T twenty. And if you've got any
Speaker 1: thoughts on the types of things that you'd like to
Speaker 1: see in terms of I guess reconfiguring the approach that
Speaker 1: the black Caps are taking two T twenty, given it's
Speaker 1: proven reasonably ineffective apart from against a couple of smaller nations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noted three things that I'd like to see.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see more power up and down the order,
Speaker 2: but particularly up the order. We can't just throw the
Speaker 2: entire burden under Finellen, who has discussed ad nauseam. We're
Speaker 2: still not quite sure if he is going to be
Speaker 2: able to deliver consistently enough add international level to be
Speaker 2: the player we need him to be the top. So
Speaker 2: more power up and down the order. I think We've
Speaker 2: got a great white bull bowler in mitchell Santina, but
Speaker 2: I'd like to see faster, flatter spinners I think we've
Speaker 2: got and I think I might have mentioned this last week.
Speaker 2: If I didn't, I mentioned in my newshetter. I think
Speaker 2: we've got very good, very clever, good wicket spinners who
Speaker 2: can out fox batners from time to time. But I
Speaker 2: think when the conditions suit spin bowlers, we need guys
Speaker 2: like Judasia and Go from the Western is Akila Hussein
Speaker 2: who just rip it and just bolt good balls fast
Speaker 2: at bulls that are hard to score. So I'd like
Speaker 2: to see that. And finally, as I've made a note here,
Speaker 2: I would like to see a hard assed, virulently rednecked,
Speaker 2: deeply unpleasant Australian fielding coach who is just going to
Speaker 2: get those boys and give them no leeway whatsoever. He
Speaker 2: is going to be on them. They're going to hate
Speaker 2: him and hate every minute of working with him. That
Speaker 2: they're going to restore New Zealand's pride in the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant, Okay, I wonder I wonder who's available? It
Speaker 1: sounds are you advocating for Matthew Hayden to join the
Speaker 1: New Zealand cricket team. Are there a few exceptions to
Speaker 1: your veto as part of your bat plan?
Speaker 2: See what's beyond deeply unpleasant? You can't go beyond that.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking more more in terms of like your
Speaker 2: stumper ricks and kind of guys. Actually the skit love
Speaker 2: for you. He was quite he was quite a good
Speaker 2: BLOKEP See, well we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Surely there's a guy called David Warner that's going to
Speaker 1: have a going to be looking around for offshore jobs.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be real keen to come and help
Speaker 1: the black Cats.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, what about yourself? If you identified anything that
Speaker 2: you'd like to see more of or see introduced into
Speaker 2: the black Caps T twenty environment.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm just aligning with a couple
Speaker 1: of those points that you make. You know, I think
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week, but that you know,
Speaker 1: it's the writing instructions that go to finale. And if
Speaker 1: you're going to have him, if we're going to have
Speaker 1: we're going to make the most of those thirty six
Speaker 1: balls in the power play, then we're going to have
Speaker 1: to absolutely redline that top order. So yes, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about power up and down the order, and
Speaker 1: I think maybe the power is there, it's just like
Speaker 1: let's absolutely commit to using it. That's the way T
Speaker 1: twenty crickets going and we are falling behind when we're
Speaker 1: just trying to sort of knock it around and mow
Speaker 1: down any total really really late bottles are getting smarter,
Speaker 1: and I think we're missing some opportunities at the top.
Speaker 1: So completely agree with you there. And yes, how good
Speaker 1: would it be if we could get Rushi Khan to
Speaker 1: immigrate to New Zealand? You know, given the current state
Speaker 1: of the international deploymacy between the two countries, possibly unlikely,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we need where do we get a mystery
Speaker 1: spinner from in Hamilton, Palmerston North, you know, Lincoln or
Speaker 1: your beloved, your Plymouth, you know, I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: they exist. There's a couple of guys, Addie a shock,
Speaker 1: I guess, is floating around. Yeah. Look, I think those
Speaker 1: getting getting our guys overseas and actually playing in some
Speaker 1: of these international T twenty comps feel super super important because,
Speaker 1: as you say, that's those are the types of spinners
Speaker 1: that are going absolute gamebusters. If the West Indies can
Speaker 1: do it, I suspect that we can as well. But Gi,
Speaker 1: it's going to take some big changes in our pictures
Speaker 1: and the way that we're bringing players through and getting
Speaker 1: some of those new Zealand a guys over to weird
Speaker 1: places to do weird things.
Speaker 2: One other thing I thought of, we're probably in the
Speaker 2: market for a left arm swing bowler now as well.
Speaker 2: I know. I know Jason Hoyt was with us now
Speaker 2: he might be advocating for Ben Lister, although he went
Speaker 2: a bit off them last summer to me, which was
Speaker 2: a bit rough. It was like it's like he felt
Speaker 2: spurned by him when he didn't immediately start taking five
Speaker 2: wicket bags for the New Zealand.
Speaker 1: Very fickle, very thick, Jason, very fickle. Hey, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've caught any of the South Africa versus
Speaker 1: the United States match this morning, DC. It's it's Super
Speaker 1: eight time because New Zealand not there. It does mean
Speaker 1: I only watched the replays. But Servica beating the United
Speaker 1: States by eighteen runs in the first Super eight game
Speaker 1: at Antiga, I think sound yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: South Africa racking up on hindundred and ninety four for
Speaker 1: four and I had a chicken a little bit on.
Speaker 1: I Quentin Takock to come right in this game and
Speaker 1: he did absolutely blazed away. I think he got seventy
Speaker 1: four and I'm sure the South Africans would have absolutely
Speaker 1: loved being on an actual cricket ground that didn't have
Speaker 1: the field, the sand spray painted green to look like grass,
Speaker 1: and a pitch that seemed to be pretty pretty pretty
Speaker 1: sweet to bat on. They walloped at one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety four for four. To be fair, the United States
Speaker 1: one seventy six for six, a pretty decent run chase
Speaker 1: with some absolute fireworks from Andreas, the South African born
Speaker 1: well expat, I guess, but eighty not out extraordinary, not
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was USA if you been really handy at
Speaker 2: this World Cup, and obviously they have any of the
Speaker 2: big greatest SA conditions either. But yeah, I've been quite
Speaker 2: impressed with them, and I hope it's made a little
Speaker 2: dent over there. The guy de Travka keep I'm forgetting
Speaker 2: how to say his name properly. The Indian Petrovoka Travalka. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Indian left Armor Silicon Valley executive. He bowled really
Speaker 2: well again, So yeah, fair play to them. At the
Speaker 2: moment I was just going.
Speaker 1: To say, you want to speak about hard art, virulently
Speaker 1: red neck, deeply unpleasant Australian coaches. They've got Stuart law
Speaker 1: in there and he did soften a little bit this week.
Speaker 1: He broke because I think he's been flogging them to
Speaker 1: death in the field and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And he was asked where many of his players had
Speaker 1: to go back to their bosses and ask for extendedly
Speaker 1: but he said yes, yes, quite a few of them
Speaker 1: actually did. They only sort of booked out to the
Speaker 1: group matches. So yeah, I think there's a few of
Speaker 1: them becoming national heroes. I'm sure the bosses have signed
Speaker 1: those off wholeheartedly. But just an interesting little sideline there
Speaker 1: from from Stuart Law as we're speaking at the moment. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's obviously is pointless giving you a match report to
Speaker 1: a game that's halfway through, well not even halfway through,
Speaker 1: and will be finished by the time you're listening to this.
Speaker 1: But I can tell the West Indies are betting first
Speaker 1: against England at Saint Lucia and after fourteen point two
Speaker 1: overs are one hundred and twenty five for one with.
Speaker 2: Oran and Powell going great guns and Powell has just
Speaker 2: hit two six is in a row off Livingston, so
Speaker 2: it's now one hundred and thirty one for one and
Speaker 2: that is a Group two match being played. At Saint Lucia. Tonight,
Speaker 2: well overnight we have Indiana versus Afghanistan. It's a Group
Speaker 2: one match. The Superwates are split into two groups. That's
Speaker 2: in Barbados. Tomorrow lunch time we have Australia Bangladesh Group
Speaker 2: one from Antigua and then Saturday two thirty am England
Speaker 2: South Africa Group two from Saint Lucia. The Saturday lunchtime
Speaker 2: game is West Indies USA Barbadoso thirty in the morning
Speaker 2: Bangladesh be India at a Antigua and then Sunday lunchtime
Speaker 2: game is Afghanistan for Australia and that kind of takes
Speaker 2: you through the weekend a lot of cricket. It's just
Speaker 2: even reading that out, it feels sad to read that
Speaker 2: out without New Zealand there. New Zealand should be there
Speaker 2: ahead of your likes. If you're usas your Bangladesh is
Speaker 2: your Afghanistans, well they shouldn't because they didn't qualify. But
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's doesn't feel right that those
Speaker 2: teams are.
Speaker 1: It's a new Lit cricket podcast. It doesn't. But I
Speaker 1: can tell you that the Afghani cricket podcasts are absolutely
Speaker 1: rubbing their hands with glee, and all of the American
Speaker 1: cricket podcasts are very very excited, and the Bangladeshi ones
Speaker 1: as well. I think those three teams are probably all
Speaker 1: quite surprised to be there and having the well they're
Speaker 1: going to rather if they're going to run a full
Speaker 1: Netherlands vibe and just be extremely happy to be there
Speaker 1: and just go absolutely nuts and have a hell of
Speaker 1: a time to look like the Americans were like, well,
Speaker 1: we're not going to just knock it around and get it,
Speaker 1: you know, and just sort of see how we go.
Speaker 1: We're going to absolutely go for it and try and
Speaker 1: make some magic happen. We're in the bonus round. I
Speaker 1: do really hope that England get up and do something
Speaker 1: interesting it gets the sorry. I hope that the West
Speaker 1: Indies negate England's attempts to ruin their home tournament. That
Speaker 1: would be good on today's game, and God wouldn't be
Speaker 1: lovely to sit down slightly hangover on Sunday after the
Speaker 1: Super Rugby and the Warriors on Saturday night and watch
Speaker 1: Afghanistan do something filthy to the Australians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be good. Hey, We're going to take a
Speaker 2: short break now and then come back with some from
Speaker 2: the David Warner files and a bit of violence.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the BYC. You're with Paul Fordham, Dylan
Speaker 1: Cleaver talking absolute rubbish about King Williamson, the Black Caps,
Speaker 1: delving into the intrails of the T twenty World Cup
Speaker 1: and now DC you've got a little bit of news
Speaker 1: from our great free to the podcast, David Dumdam David Warner.
Speaker 2: Let's see of the Super eight opener against Bangladesh. He
Speaker 2: was speaking to NewsCorp and to the Cricket dot com
Speaker 2: Dot Au website and Antigua and he said, since twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: I've probably been the only one that's ever copped a
Speaker 2: lot of flak. And he's course talking about the the.
Speaker 1: Use of sandpaper at Capetown.
Speaker 2: All tampering scandal of Cape Town and the aftermath of
Speaker 2: Vans and to which Michael Clark said on a ESPN
Speaker 2: Cricken Foe show that he's involved in that he's a
Speaker 2: panelist on, he said, Davey has certainly copped it, There's
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. I just think the timing is
Speaker 2: probably not right. I think it probably would have been
Speaker 2: suited for the end of a World Cup rather than
Speaker 2: the middle of it, because there's probably other players in
Speaker 2: the team who would prefer this not to be spoken
Speaker 2: about right now. But there's parts of what he said
Speaker 2: that are correct, and I'm not actually sure that there's
Speaker 2: not many parts to it. For a start, he's basically
Speaker 2: you just said, he's the only one that's been really
Speaker 2: penalized for the bull temporary scandal, and I think Kivin
Speaker 2: Bancroft will quite like a word given he hasn't played
Speaker 2: a test since.
Speaker 1: I do seem to remember seeing a few photos of
Speaker 1: Steve Smith crying as well. I think it's another signal
Speaker 1: of David Warner's self obsession. I think that the world does.
Speaker 1: He does seem to review the world, as you know,
Speaker 1: with him at the center of it. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get to and I think, yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 1: I think there is a little bit of an undercurrent
Speaker 1: in there, though, which is that you know he's kind
Speaker 1: of I think there's two things. He's under a lifetime
Speaker 1: leadership band. So you know, you do your crime and
Speaker 1: do your time, well not in this case, you do
Speaker 1: the time and then you just keep doing the time,
Speaker 1: and that you can never kind of escape that that.
Speaker 2: Punishment, and he did ask for that to be reviewed
Speaker 2: and it was rejected, wasn't it Yep?
Speaker 1: Yep? And his wife very helpfully waited in on that battle.
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, I think fair enough, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I think that's a pretty reasonable
Speaker 1: thing to dig into from a just a natural justice
Speaker 1: point of view. But anyway, that's that's done and dusted.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's in his comments is
Speaker 1: that it's kind of you know, he is hinting that
Speaker 1: other people involved around this were protector that that's an
Speaker 1: interesting little thing there, and he himself, I think the
Speaker 1: follow on quote from the piece that you mentioned was
Speaker 1: that he said, I've taken a lot of pressure off
Speaker 1: a lot of guys as well, and I think understandably
Speaker 1: I've been the person to be able to absorb that.
Speaker 1: But one can only absorb so much. Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: interesting dynamics in that team, I imagine around that incident
Speaker 1: still ongoing.
Speaker 2: Well, there has always been this feeling that it's curious
Speaker 2: that the three people penalized for the ball tampering are
Speaker 2: all batters who didn't directly stand to gain from the
Speaker 2: ball tampering and that the bowling attack on that day
Speaker 2: have got away scott free. That is I mean it
Speaker 2: probably hasn't been written, but that is the unspoken septics
Speaker 2: of that, isn't it. But you know totally and you.
Speaker 1: Know over those when we talked about it before. But
Speaker 1: the other thing is that one hasn't been an absolutely
Speaker 1: magnet for controversy his whole career. I mean he not
Speaker 1: his fault, but of course even just getting picked into
Speaker 1: the Australian team having never played you know, Sheffield Shield cricket,
Speaker 1: it's sort of he's sort of always either accidentally or
Speaker 1: deliberately sort of antagonized purists, you know, punch Joe Root.
Speaker 1: He you know, just he's just been in the I
Speaker 1: guess even just the way that he's played the game
Speaker 1: is trying to hit you slug balls for six. You know,
Speaker 1: Murphy's talked about he talks about David Water as the
Speaker 1: junk yard dog. You know that that he bite your
Speaker 1: leg off. I give him half a chance, all those
Speaker 1: sorts of things. Just an abrasive character that's just a
Speaker 1: magnet for controversy.
Speaker 2: Yeahs, when Kauhaja says something really interesting about that recently
Speaker 2: and I and I guess as a caveat those two
Speaker 2: have played cricket with and against each other since they
Speaker 2: were knee hired to a Grasshopper. They playing the same
Speaker 2: junior rep teams, so there were maybe even the same
Speaker 2: junior club team, so they're obviously close, but it was
Speaker 2: Minkwija said that he felt that Warner was manipulated into
Speaker 2: being someone he wasn't. That he was basically given the
Speaker 2: task of being the on field aggressor the asshole, the
Speaker 2: guy that pushed the boundary with Nathan Lyons, was the
Speaker 2: guy that head butted right up to the to the line.
Speaker 2: He said that when certain elements were removed from that
Speaker 2: team and it was post Cape Town essentially, he said
Speaker 2: that when David Warner came back after Cape Down, that
Speaker 2: is the real David Warner. He was finally allowed to
Speaker 2: be himself, and it was a far different character, riendly,
Speaker 2: a face, I guess, the reverend. Yeah, yeah, so I mean,
Speaker 2: probably the true guys somewhere between those two poles. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there might be something in that, you know, And I've
Speaker 2: always got the feeling that David Warner might be quite
Speaker 2: easily manipulated.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say he's been treated like
Speaker 1: he's the manipulator and maybe he is an element of
Speaker 1: being manipulated. Yeah, interesting one, All.
Speaker 2: Right, cool, I've got one more thing, actually, I think
Speaker 2: I asked the question following on from Bruce Paradoo who
Speaker 2: died in Hamilton, who was the former Trinidaddian cricketer who
Speaker 2: died in christ Church in twenty thirteen. The answer, of
Speaker 2: course was Simpson Clermonte Dillon, who has been known as
Speaker 2: Sammy Gillon, who wicket kept in New Zealand's first Test
Speaker 2: win against the West Indies and in fact took the
Speaker 2: stumping to win the Test, having previously represented that Caribbean conglomerate.
Speaker 2: He also played at Chattam Cup Final in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 2: I did not realize this till recently though. His Western
Speaker 2: AFC side lost in the final to Ony Hunger. And
Speaker 2: apparently he was a man who loved a chat. Did
Speaker 2: semi do it?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you another amazing fact. His grandson is Logan
Speaker 1: van Beek. How good? Yes, sational, sensational, Yeah, amazing. The
Speaker 1: DNA of cricketers is real, isn't it. It's a real thing.
Speaker 1: It is that talent is transferred for sure. Yeah, magnificent,
Speaker 1: magnificent player. Hey, speaking of magnificent, this is the complete opposite.
Speaker 1: It's time for Paul Ford's cricket Violence Corner. Paul Ford's
Speaker 1: cricket Violence Corner got two this week DC, just very quickly.
Speaker 1: Of course, our very owned Tim Soudy has been involved
Speaker 1: in some violence and been handed an official reprimand after
Speaker 1: lashing out at a hand sanitizing dispenser. This was at
Speaker 1: the Brian Lara Cricket Academy. I think we can all
Speaker 1: I empathize with Tim for this, but he did result
Speaker 1: in a Level one breach of the ICC Code of Conduct,
Speaker 1: which relates to the abuse of cricket equips or clothing,
Speaker 1: all ground equipment or fixtures or fittings during an international match.
Speaker 1: He has a unblemished disciplinary record now with one little
Speaker 1: black mark on it. The second one is also World
Speaker 1: Cup related. The world of Pakistan cricket has been rocked
Speaker 1: by a controversial incident involving fast Bola Harris Ralph. This
Speaker 1: has gone viral in the subcontinent outside his team hotel
Speaker 1: during the T twenty World Cup in the USA following
Speaker 1: Pakistan's disappointing exit he's caught on video. He looks visibly
Speaker 1: upset and it confronts a group of fans over their
Speaker 1: alleged disrespectful remarks. Despite efforts from bystanders, including his wife,
Speaker 1: who's in full regalia and trying to intervene, he expresses
Speaker 1: his frustration quite openly, I think is probably the best
Speaker 1: way of saying it. And there was a I guess
Speaker 1: he sparked a diplomatic incidents as well by assuming that
Speaker 1: some of the fans were One of the fans I
Speaker 1: think was Indian. The fan has confirmed that he's actually
Speaker 1: Pakistani and was just having a crack and his own
Speaker 1: player for having a bit of a shit tourna. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but rough.
Speaker 2: But you did say that if you bring my family
Speaker 2: into it, I will go at yeah, something to those
Speaker 2: to that effect. And how very New Zealand, isn't it
Speaker 2: that the violence involves an anti bacterial sanitizer. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: like to keep our violence very clean, very very very
Speaker 2: clean violence.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad I think you said a challenge of
Speaker 1: Cricket Violet's corner having to go around the world, and
Speaker 1: it's good that New Zealand's finally done something that we
Speaker 1: can but yeah, whether it qualifies as violence, you.
Speaker 2: Know now that fair play to you. That's well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dylan, I think that's just about us. Thanks everyone
Speaker 1: for tuning in, dialing down, downloading, whatever you're doing riding
Speaker 1: home from work punching walls. Yes, as Dylan said, you're
Speaker 1: going to need to furtle your week watching other teams
Speaker 1: play out the Super Eights. Hopefully Afghanistan continue to wreak
Speaker 1: have it throughout this tournament and we can look back
Speaker 1: and go well, at least we lost to them and
Speaker 1: they were really damn good. I mean, this could be
Speaker 1: an Afghanistan West Indies final in this World Cup. We'll
Speaker 1: be back next week. In the meantime, if you've got
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