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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. The big names, the big issues,

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Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of Sport

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Speaker 2: Cal To good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. For July fourteen,

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Speaker 2: of the.

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Speaker 3: All Blacks neck very closer whistle.

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Speaker 4: They just need to get it into tuts.

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Speaker 5: Jamie mckint picks and a tuts and the All Blacks

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Speaker 5: When twenty four seventeen.

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Speaker 6: A dramatic finish at eight in part.

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Speaker 3: But the record safe and the All Blacks win the

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Speaker 3: series tournel and another drama film.

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Speaker 6: Test match between these two sides.

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Speaker 2: I want to call from Elliot Smith last night. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Show producer Annie McDonald. We're here till three

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Speaker 2: to two of the All blackshear in the books All

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Speaker 2: Blacks twenty four England seventeen. Boden Barrett aresily magnificent. I'd

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Speaker 2: go so far as to say his impact swung and

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Speaker 2: then won the game for the All Blacks last night

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Speaker 2: forty nine Test matches without defeat now at Eden part

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Speaker 2: But that's not to say that there aren't things to discuss.

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Speaker 2: We're going to break it all down together this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: joined shortly by former All Black center Frank Buntz, the

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Speaker 2: postmatch thoughts of Boden Barrett and debutante halfback Cortes of

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Speaker 2: Artima some day after audio from Scott robertson as well.

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Speaker 2: But your calls and feedback are rarely what I'm after.

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Speaker 2: If I'm honest, linees open right away and right across

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Speaker 2: the show to get your All Blacks feedback. Other matters

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Speaker 2: around today as the twenty twenty four Olympic Games start

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Speaker 2: to come into sharp focus now just eleven days away.

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Speaker 2: Our Road to Paris feature continues after two, joined in

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Speaker 2: studio by five time Olympian Dame Valerie Adams, looking forward

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Speaker 2: to catching up with day Valerie. After two, The Black

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Speaker 2: Ferns take on Australia this afternoon at Brisbane, New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: loose forward Lucy Jenkins with us after two, and the

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Speaker 2: Euro Final tomorrow morning England v Spain. Is it coming home?

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Speaker 2: We'll preview that with football writer Dominic Fifield out of

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Speaker 2: the UK James mcconey and his regular slot around one

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Speaker 2: forty five. But this is your show. I would love

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Speaker 2: a more specific or or long winded point and that's

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Speaker 2: not a negative at all. Jason at Newstalks EDB dot

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

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Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Vye.

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Speaker 7: They call eight hundred and eighty eighty News Talks.

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Speaker 3: eNB crossfield kick looking for Tommy Freeman.

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Speaker 8: Freeman right is hi.

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Speaker 6: Tommy Freeman takes its England.

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Speaker 7: Right just on halftime.

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Speaker 2: Terrific athleticism from Tommy Freeman, scoring England's second try just

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Speaker 2: before halftime last night, giving them a fourteen thirteen lead

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Speaker 2: at the break. Mark Dealaya's second try in the second

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Speaker 2: half and Damien McKenzie's two penalties getting the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: home though twenty four points to seventeen fifty five tests

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Speaker 2: sixty nine game. Former All Black center Frank Buntz was

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Speaker 2: in the New Stalks hed B commentary Box alongside Elliott

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Speaker 2: Smith last night, he joins us. Now, Frank, can we

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Speaker 2: start with Bowden Barrett's influence. How key was he to

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Speaker 2: Earlier in the game, how worried were you that the

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Speaker 9: Not so much in the first half, but certainly in

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Speaker 9: my mind we were going to lose that test.

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Speaker 2: But Courtiz without coming on probably a bit earlier than

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Speaker 9: You know, he's he's just carried on from his from

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Speaker 9: really he and he was a part of it. I

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Speaker 9: But you know, Findlay Christie unfortunately got the injury, but

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Speaker 2: Of talk about England's approach to defense, their rush defense.

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Speaker 2: So this isn't new bunci. I mean opposition defenders used

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Speaker 9: It's a really difficult one because done well, it's it's

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Speaker 9: I don't I didn't know that there's you know, there's

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Speaker 9: of you know, people fly up, you kick into that

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Speaker 9: little space behind. The more you get the forwards. Really

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Speaker 9: the front football. You know, for me, it's it's take

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Speaker 9: And not everybody in the team, you know, has the

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Speaker 9: you tie up the guys that can do it, tie

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Speaker 9: the ball away the same direction and you've got you know,

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Speaker 9: a lot of the time, you've got forwards there and

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Speaker 9: a you know, done well. It's like really really effective

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Speaker 2: So two tight test matches to start Scott Robertson's reign

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Speaker 2: as coach, How happy do you reckon he'll be after

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Speaker 9: I think he will be guarded if well, I don't

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Speaker 9: he you'll definitely be be happy and grateful about the

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Speaker 9: two wins the way, you know, we've come away unbeaten

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Speaker 9: from a very good English team who are who are

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Speaker 9: on the rise, no doubt about that. But I think

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Speaker 9: lot of work to do. You know, that that line

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Speaker 9: whole lot of work, and there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 9: ways that Yeah, there's there's so many ways. You know,

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Speaker 9: you can be upset, you know in getting your set piece,

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Speaker 9: and that's a periods where you know, we we make

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Speaker 9: the best of times. You know, there, as I said before,

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Speaker 9: they're on the up and and he's beaten them into

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Speaker 9: you know, either test could have gone either way. So

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Speaker 9: He's got to take that away, and now he's got

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Speaker 9: to just put his head down. Different beasts. You know,

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Speaker 9: I think I think he will come away pretty satisfied.

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Speaker 2: Can you see the way he wants them to play?

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Speaker 10: I can't.

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Speaker 9: I can't at the moment, but you know, there are

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Speaker 9: also game plans for different teams. I don't, to be honest,

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Speaker 9: you know, I don't. I don't really. I'm not able

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Speaker 9: Have we Yes, yes, yes, that'll be an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for holding Chris good to chet to you yesterday. What's

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Speaker 12: Well, I said to you I wouldn't rid you if

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Speaker 12: I always have rugby chats with a made of mine,

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Speaker 12: That's the thing sometimes some players and I noticed from

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Speaker 2: No, you've said it perfectly, Chris, You've said it perfectly, mate. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: good reserve using. I like it. We all know what

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Speaker 2: glad it wasn't tears in the shower for you. Twelve

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Speaker 2: twenty six, Gabriel, Please hold, they've got to get a

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Speaker 2: Twelve twenty nine. England used the trailer and truck rather

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Speaker 14: There was some crowd called Commentary Collective Alternative Commentary Collective. Now,

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Speaker 2: Yes I do, Gabriel, Yes I do. In fact, they're

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Speaker 15: Good Way? I was a bit nervous about last night.

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Speaker 2: Yep, me too.

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Speaker 15: We weren't direct enough, you know, stemless kicking, no chasing,

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Speaker 2: You're just breaking up slightly, Sam, I'm just gonna pop

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Speaker 2: and totally accept that they're not the finished product yet.

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00:22:25,107 --> 00:22:27,627
Speaker 2: And I think we all know that right Anyone who

431
00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:30,627
Speaker 2: watched that game last night would not be able to

432
00:22:30,667 --> 00:22:33,147
Speaker 2: put their hand on their hearts say this is an

433
00:22:33,187 --> 00:22:36,267
Speaker 2: All Blacks team functioning at the peak of its powers

434
00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:41,947
Speaker 2: because they're simply not. They're not. But the raw materials

435
00:22:41,947 --> 00:22:44,667
Speaker 2: are certainly there and there's parts of it I really liked,

436
00:22:45,587 --> 00:22:48,507
Speaker 2: but there is some work to do. And you know,

437
00:22:48,547 --> 00:22:50,467
Speaker 2: Scott Robinson doesn't sit up there at the press conference

438
00:22:50,547 --> 00:22:53,627
Speaker 2: last night saying heyn't be fantastic. Haven't we been amazing

439
00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:57,547
Speaker 2: over the last two weeks. He gave due and appropriate

440
00:22:57,627 --> 00:23:02,587
Speaker 2: credit to England and you know, and conceded that they've

441
00:23:02,587 --> 00:23:05,467
Speaker 2: got things to work on. Lineout's won their kickings and

442
00:23:05,547 --> 00:23:09,067
Speaker 2: other and look, last night, I don't know whether you'd

443
00:23:09,067 --> 00:23:11,107
Speaker 2: say Bowden Barrett got them out of jail, but he

444
00:23:11,227 --> 00:23:14,587
Speaker 2: certainly provided a couple of keys that they hadn't had earlier.

445
00:23:15,067 --> 00:23:18,827
Speaker 2: Drive save Sam good to chat to you mate, Hello Jamie.

446
00:23:18,707 --> 00:23:21,827
Speaker 12: Yet you know, shout out to the alternative commentary. I

447
00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:23,827
Speaker 12: love listening to the guy those guys on the Cructflay

448
00:23:23,907 --> 00:23:26,547
Speaker 12: listening to The twelfth Man. But you know life so

449
00:23:26,747 --> 00:23:28,267
Speaker 12: you know, sorry that guy didn't like it, but it

450
00:23:28,267 --> 00:23:28,987
Speaker 12: is quite a good show.

451
00:23:29,067 --> 00:23:31,307
Speaker 2: Oh no, agreed. Dam It's not everybody's cup of tea,

452
00:23:31,347 --> 00:23:32,907
Speaker 2: but it's a lot of people's cup of tea.

453
00:23:33,027 --> 00:23:35,827
Speaker 12: Yeah, I wouldn't think he'd like The twelfth Man either,

454
00:23:36,587 --> 00:23:40,107
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. But anyway, I've watched both

455
00:23:40,107 --> 00:23:43,587
Speaker 12: the South African game and the All Blacks and I

456
00:23:43,627 --> 00:23:45,107
Speaker 12: was talking to Mate, you said, O saying to him, Mate,

457
00:23:45,107 --> 00:23:46,947
Speaker 12: there's no real greats in this team. You know, you

458
00:23:47,027 --> 00:23:49,907
Speaker 12: gotta argue for Artie, but you'd say because.

459
00:23:49,627 --> 00:23:50,107
Speaker 16: You haven't won.

460
00:23:50,587 --> 00:23:52,107
Speaker 12: You know, no one in there is really won a

461
00:23:52,147 --> 00:23:55,827
Speaker 12: World Cup except of Artie and probably one other. There's

462
00:23:55,867 --> 00:24:00,307
Speaker 12: no real greats. But I think both has changed my

463
00:24:00,387 --> 00:24:03,227
Speaker 12: mind in the sense that he could become a great

464
00:24:03,387 --> 00:24:05,507
Speaker 12: in the last twenty minutes, you know, like he's not

465
00:24:05,547 --> 00:24:07,227
Speaker 12: going to be a great he had the carter or

466
00:24:07,267 --> 00:24:10,107
Speaker 12: because he's been shifted between first five and fullback most

467
00:24:10,147 --> 00:24:12,747
Speaker 12: of his career. But he's literally creating position now. And

468
00:24:12,787 --> 00:24:14,707
Speaker 12: I noticed in the South African game too, they were

469
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:18,707
Speaker 12: lackluster right up until the super subs come on you.

470
00:24:19,147 --> 00:24:21,747
Speaker 12: And maybe that's the dynamic of our rugby now, you know.

471
00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:24,627
Speaker 12: They we have these grates that just literally sit on

472
00:24:24,627 --> 00:24:27,507
Speaker 12: the sidelines for you know, sixty minutes of the game

473
00:24:27,547 --> 00:24:28,987
Speaker 12: and then and then we bring them on when the

474
00:24:29,027 --> 00:24:31,467
Speaker 12: oppositions a little bit more slaggy, a little bit slower,

475
00:24:32,227 --> 00:24:34,467
Speaker 12: and hopefully these grates have sat there for sixty minutes,

476
00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:37,067
Speaker 12: which I think Bowden did and just watched the opposition,

477
00:24:37,507 --> 00:24:39,747
Speaker 12: saw the holes, figured out a game plan, went out

478
00:24:39,747 --> 00:24:42,067
Speaker 12: there and enacted his own game plan that he obviously

479
00:24:42,067 --> 00:24:44,227
Speaker 12: had in his head because he went very solo wish

480
00:24:44,267 --> 00:24:44,827
Speaker 12: when he came.

481
00:24:44,707 --> 00:24:47,227
Speaker 2: On such an interesting point, you make jam because that's

482
00:24:47,227 --> 00:24:48,707
Speaker 2: the way the All Blacks used to win test matches,

483
00:24:48,747 --> 00:24:50,467
Speaker 2: you know, not that long ago, by just coming over

484
00:24:50,507 --> 00:24:52,427
Speaker 2: the top of teams in the last fifteen to twenty minutes.

485
00:24:52,627 --> 00:24:55,387
Speaker 2: We prided ourselves I'd do with it. Yeah.

486
00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:57,227
Speaker 12: Would you argue with me though, Like, if you take

487
00:24:57,227 --> 00:24:59,907
Speaker 12: the first twenty and the last twenty and take out

488
00:24:59,907 --> 00:25:02,027
Speaker 12: forty minutes in between, that's actually a bloody contest.

489
00:25:02,107 --> 00:25:04,187
Speaker 2: Mant oh, I think it's a minutes.

490
00:25:04,627 --> 00:25:07,907
Speaker 12: It's a really good team team, but that middle forty

491
00:25:08,627 --> 00:25:10,747
Speaker 12: is where we seem to have black lasted out. That

492
00:25:11,547 --> 00:25:14,187
Speaker 12: really rushing defense got to us. But that first twenty,

493
00:25:14,627 --> 00:25:17,987
Speaker 12: I mean there was two tries that probably in another

494
00:25:18,067 --> 00:25:21,267
Speaker 12: day would have got them. But yeah, I think the

495
00:25:21,387 --> 00:25:24,067
Speaker 12: makings there are the team. They seem to seem to

496
00:25:24,067 --> 00:25:25,587
Speaker 12: want to throw it around a little bit, which is

497
00:25:26,027 --> 00:25:28,627
Speaker 12: quite enjoyable. But yeah, that line out's a bit of

498
00:25:28,667 --> 00:25:30,987
Speaker 12: a bit of a shutdown, and then I can't see

499
00:25:31,027 --> 00:25:33,427
Speaker 12: any sort of defense or a tactic to shut down

500
00:25:33,427 --> 00:25:35,227
Speaker 12: that running defense, you know what I mean. My body

501
00:25:35,227 --> 00:25:37,587
Speaker 12: did a cover little chip picks, which I think you'd

502
00:25:37,587 --> 00:25:39,987
Speaker 12: try and be doing more of instead of bombing to

503
00:25:40,067 --> 00:25:42,147
Speaker 12: the middle of nowhere. You know, just something that when

504
00:25:42,187 --> 00:25:45,227
Speaker 12: they're running up on you, they're thinking, oh, you know,

505
00:25:45,747 --> 00:25:48,867
Speaker 12: but when you're doing mid bombs to nothing and there

506
00:25:48,947 --> 00:25:51,387
Speaker 12: just seems to be nothing to stop that guy from

507
00:25:51,427 --> 00:25:53,507
Speaker 12: just straight out charging you, you're not giving him a

508
00:25:53,507 --> 00:25:56,827
Speaker 12: second thought. I'd just like to see something with that.

509
00:25:56,907 --> 00:26:00,827
Speaker 12: But yeah, that's how the freaking game in the Island game,

510
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:03,987
Speaker 12: I'd say at the moment between the four teams I watched,

511
00:26:04,427 --> 00:26:07,427
Speaker 12: I'd say the Black's probably up there and just make

512
00:26:07,467 --> 00:26:10,547
Speaker 12: really bad decisions and pulled that game right out of

513
00:26:10,547 --> 00:26:13,347
Speaker 12: the ringer with a couple of drop calls. But and

514
00:26:13,587 --> 00:26:15,147
Speaker 12: I would beat out to South Africa at the moment.

515
00:26:15,227 --> 00:26:17,387
Speaker 12: So I'm pretty positive about Robinson so far.

516
00:26:17,627 --> 00:26:19,947
Speaker 2: Good man, Jamie, Hey, good points, well mate, Thanks mate,

517
00:26:20,227 --> 00:26:22,107
Speaker 2: enjoyed chatting to you. Yeah, I think if we'll if

518
00:26:22,147 --> 00:26:26,027
Speaker 2: we'll accept the Dan Carter's our greatest first five Where

519
00:26:26,067 --> 00:26:31,667
Speaker 2: is Bote Embarrad in that list, is he second? Just

520
00:26:31,667 --> 00:26:35,267
Speaker 2: ponder it. I don't expect an answer straight away. Oh

521
00:26:35,267 --> 00:26:37,347
Speaker 2: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Hello Kevin.

522
00:26:38,307 --> 00:26:43,827
Speaker 17: Oh, yes, good afternoon. I'll think about Mark Taliah. Nobody's

523
00:26:43,907 --> 00:26:47,667
Speaker 17: mentioned at all, but from my mind, he was the

524
00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:51,987
Speaker 17: out of position in the first try. He didn't really

525
00:26:52,627 --> 00:26:55,747
Speaker 17: know what to do, and when that twenty three car

526
00:26:56,067 --> 00:26:58,907
Speaker 17: come on, he stripped him and he just seemed to

527
00:26:58,947 --> 00:27:01,867
Speaker 17: be running around and if you notice, they put about

528
00:27:01,907 --> 00:27:06,147
Speaker 17: four or five kicks into his corner. So I don't

529
00:27:06,147 --> 00:27:08,427
Speaker 17: think he had a bad game, but he just seemed

530
00:27:09,227 --> 00:27:10,827
Speaker 17: to be wandering around out there.

531
00:27:11,107 --> 00:27:11,587
Speaker 16: Alright.

532
00:27:11,627 --> 00:27:14,547
Speaker 17: He scored two tries but was only three steps and

533
00:27:14,587 --> 00:27:15,707
Speaker 17: he was over in the corner.

534
00:27:17,067 --> 00:27:19,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first try had a bit of

535
00:27:19,427 --> 00:27:22,347
Speaker 2: work to do, Kevin. I take your point though, and

536
00:27:22,427 --> 00:27:26,187
Speaker 2: you have to be an international class winger, as everybody knows,

537
00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:28,187
Speaker 2: you've got to be good on both sides of the ball. Yeah,

538
00:27:28,227 --> 00:27:30,347
Speaker 2: a couple of good tries last night, but yeah, both

539
00:27:30,347 --> 00:27:32,667
Speaker 2: of both of England's tries came down his side, didn't they.

540
00:27:32,707 --> 00:27:35,507
Speaker 2: So yeah, clearly a bit of work to do for

541
00:27:35,587 --> 00:27:38,067
Speaker 2: Mark Tala and for the less side. Defense for the

542
00:27:38,147 --> 00:27:38,627
Speaker 2: All Blacks.

543
00:27:40,507 --> 00:27:42,707
Speaker 17: Yeah, he just seemed to be out of sorts. I'm

544
00:27:42,707 --> 00:27:45,267
Speaker 17: not saying he had a bad game, but he if

545
00:27:45,307 --> 00:27:47,267
Speaker 17: you looked at some of the replays and that he

546
00:27:47,427 --> 00:27:50,627
Speaker 17: was sort of looking around as if where do I

547
00:27:50,667 --> 00:27:51,947
Speaker 17: go now? What do I do now?

548
00:27:52,747 --> 00:27:56,507
Speaker 2: He is still quite well, quite early in his test career, Kevin.

549
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:58,627
Speaker 2: Let's not forget that he is still learning. They're all learning,

550
00:27:59,627 --> 00:28:02,587
Speaker 2: and he's a potent attacking weapon. I think of all

551
00:28:02,627 --> 00:28:05,267
Speaker 2: of our wingers ball in hand, he's the best at

552
00:28:05,267 --> 00:28:08,227
Speaker 2: the moment. But yeah, yeah, defensively he has to be

553
00:28:08,427 --> 00:28:10,787
Speaker 2: looked at because both of those tries last night. I

554
00:28:10,787 --> 00:28:13,947
Speaker 2: mean the kick wide to Freeman. That is a freakish

555
00:28:13,987 --> 00:28:17,827
Speaker 2: piece of athleticism from Tommy Freeman to pluck that one

556
00:28:17,867 --> 00:28:21,387
Speaker 2: out of the sky and score the try. But yeah,

557
00:28:21,427 --> 00:28:23,147
Speaker 2: the first try I didn't go back and have a

558
00:28:23,187 --> 00:28:28,187
Speaker 2: look at it forensically to look at Tilea's part in

559
00:28:28,267 --> 00:28:30,347
Speaker 2: that he cut and didn't he cut and past a

560
00:28:30,347 --> 00:28:34,107
Speaker 2: few players and scored the try. So yeah, it's an

561
00:28:34,187 --> 00:28:37,747
Speaker 2: interesting point you make. But they're all learning, they're all learning.

562
00:28:39,547 --> 00:28:41,427
Speaker 2: All backs behind at half time, But I knew wod Win,

563
00:28:41,507 --> 00:28:43,667
Speaker 2: says Phil. I kept on saying to others the English

564
00:28:43,707 --> 00:28:46,187
Speaker 2: were heavily fatigued and when Bodenbarert came on, he took

565
00:28:46,187 --> 00:28:49,467
Speaker 2: advantage of that fatigue making himself look fabulous. Well he

566
00:28:49,467 --> 00:28:52,867
Speaker 2: did look fantastic. Yeah, absolutely, And I'm going to play

567
00:28:52,867 --> 00:28:54,427
Speaker 2: a little bit of audio I got from Boden Bart

568
00:28:54,467 --> 00:28:55,907
Speaker 2: after the game of just to see let's cary on

569
00:28:55,907 --> 00:28:58,707
Speaker 2: to the calls though, Hi Josh, Yeah.

570
00:28:58,507 --> 00:28:59,987
Speaker 15: Okay, it ain't very good.

571
00:29:00,027 --> 00:29:00,347
Speaker 13: Thank you.

572
00:29:01,587 --> 00:29:01,787
Speaker 1: Yeah.

573
00:29:01,787 --> 00:29:03,907
Speaker 18: I love all credit to Boden Bear and I think

574
00:29:03,907 --> 00:29:06,987
Speaker 18: that's one of your callers under up. He's been moved

575
00:29:06,987 --> 00:29:10,267
Speaker 18: from filler the posts. I mean he was a victim

576
00:29:10,307 --> 00:29:13,147
Speaker 18: of having to make way for another player. And you know,

577
00:29:13,227 --> 00:29:15,027
Speaker 18: like we get this thing in our mind where we

578
00:29:15,307 --> 00:29:17,667
Speaker 18: can't think we can fit them all in there. I'd

579
00:29:17,707 --> 00:29:19,627
Speaker 18: like to see the All Blacks go back to the

580
00:29:19,707 --> 00:29:22,547
Speaker 18: to the Fitzpatrick days where basically the first team keep

581
00:29:22,627 --> 00:29:23,427
Speaker 18: the second team out.

582
00:29:24,467 --> 00:29:26,147
Speaker 19: Yeah, because because.

583
00:29:25,947 --> 00:29:28,667
Speaker 18: I really truly believe you always have your best team.

584
00:29:28,707 --> 00:29:30,987
Speaker 18: But I do see what they're doing with these young players.

585
00:29:31,267 --> 00:29:33,827
Speaker 18: They're exposing them to you know, the cauldron, and and

586
00:29:34,147 --> 00:29:36,587
Speaker 18: I take my head off to Robinson because you know,

587
00:29:36,787 --> 00:29:39,147
Speaker 18: technically you're not going to slay the guy if he

588
00:29:39,227 --> 00:29:41,907
Speaker 18: loses the first couple of games against England, So the

589
00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:44,027
Speaker 18: fact that they come away with a one, they'd be

590
00:29:44,107 --> 00:29:48,067
Speaker 18: absolutely grateful. But what seems obvious to me is the

591
00:29:48,147 --> 00:29:52,307
Speaker 18: All Blacks look diminutive compared to the physical nature of

592
00:29:52,387 --> 00:29:55,707
Speaker 18: the English team. They are big boppers, like every one

593
00:29:55,747 --> 00:29:58,947
Speaker 18: of them huge. There was there's not very many small

594
00:29:58,947 --> 00:30:01,547
Speaker 18: people on that team, and they're still quite mobile. So

595
00:30:01,627 --> 00:30:04,907
Speaker 18: I think they actually were able to handle us, you know,

596
00:30:04,987 --> 00:30:08,387
Speaker 18: this whole you know, stuck in and keeping them in typs.

597
00:30:08,467 --> 00:30:11,947
Speaker 18: That doesn't work because it's like they, you know, Barrett Scott,

598
00:30:11,987 --> 00:30:14,947
Speaker 18: Barrett looks kind of tiny compared to those guys.

599
00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:18,387
Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it, because he's a big guy. You're Josh,

600
00:30:18,467 --> 00:30:20,347
Speaker 2: what you're saying is so right. I was likely to

601
00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:23,067
Speaker 2: have to be sidelined last night. Those English players are

602
00:30:23,227 --> 00:30:23,907
Speaker 2: massive men.

603
00:30:25,387 --> 00:30:29,787
Speaker 18: They have that kind of extra I know, ten percent

604
00:30:29,907 --> 00:30:32,747
Speaker 18: or whatever it is in the physicality states, and we

605
00:30:32,867 --> 00:30:35,307
Speaker 18: found that that year that we got absolutely beaten up

606
00:30:35,307 --> 00:30:37,947
Speaker 18: by them. They just used it to their strength and

607
00:30:38,787 --> 00:30:42,107
Speaker 18: they're a pretty good team. I mean, i've pretty expensive

608
00:30:42,187 --> 00:30:45,387
Speaker 18: rugby where they wanted to so I don't know how

609
00:30:45,547 --> 00:30:48,227
Speaker 18: we go back to the past that we can't dominate

610
00:30:48,267 --> 00:30:50,987
Speaker 18: teams physically. I think we have moments and if we

611
00:30:51,027 --> 00:30:54,227
Speaker 18: don't take care of those moments, we're going to be

612
00:30:54,387 --> 00:30:56,467
Speaker 18: sitting shut out of games for a while. And I

613
00:30:56,507 --> 00:30:58,987
Speaker 18: think that that's the big problem they've got. There's a

614
00:30:58,987 --> 00:31:01,067
Speaker 18: lot of skill and talent there, not taking away from

615
00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:04,347
Speaker 18: anybody there, but when you're up against skill and talent

616
00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:08,787
Speaker 18: and physicality, that's still the big the big elephant in

617
00:31:08,827 --> 00:31:11,187
Speaker 18: the room for the All Blacks because we lost some

618
00:31:11,387 --> 00:31:15,347
Speaker 18: legacy players, world class players. That's probably why your line

619
00:31:15,347 --> 00:31:18,267
Speaker 18: out struggling. I mean, Barrett was always paired with a

620
00:31:18,587 --> 00:31:23,107
Speaker 18: with an absolute master of a lineout and someone with experience,

621
00:31:23,147 --> 00:31:26,547
Speaker 18: and now it's all on him plus Captain Judy. So yeah,

622
00:31:26,547 --> 00:31:29,067
Speaker 18: we're we're, we're, we're. We'd be lucky to get away

623
00:31:29,107 --> 00:31:31,067
Speaker 18: with that. And I think that's a good start and

624
00:31:31,107 --> 00:31:33,347
Speaker 18: we're not expecting to be the best team in the

625
00:31:33,347 --> 00:31:36,347
Speaker 18: world yet, but we're going to have some issues with

626
00:31:36,387 --> 00:31:39,427
Speaker 18: the physicality when when the stakes get because everyone grows

627
00:31:39,827 --> 00:31:41,747
Speaker 18: an arm and a leg and two but taller come

628
00:31:41,787 --> 00:31:42,507
Speaker 18: World Cup time.

629
00:31:43,387 --> 00:31:46,067
Speaker 2: Great points, well, mate, Josh, really excellent analysis, and you're

630
00:31:46,107 --> 00:31:49,227
Speaker 2: right brother retallic and Sam Whitelock huge losses in that lineout,

631
00:31:49,227 --> 00:31:53,187
Speaker 2: big physical men uh and lineout exponents for a decade

632
00:31:53,267 --> 00:31:55,667
Speaker 2: or more in a black jersey. So yeah, it's going

633
00:31:55,707 --> 00:31:57,307
Speaker 2: to take a bit of time. Look, Scott Barrett's a

634
00:31:57,347 --> 00:31:59,387
Speaker 2: good lock forward. So it was Patrick Twypo Looto, so

635
00:31:59,387 --> 00:32:01,187
Speaker 2: it was two port Valu. But they're not Sam Whitelocke

636
00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:05,267
Speaker 2: and Broder retellic in terms of their experience. Marrow a

637
00:32:05,387 --> 00:32:08,587
Speaker 2: Tooji very good last night. Here's Boden bettered after the game.

638
00:32:08,787 --> 00:32:11,187
Speaker 6: Hello Boden, what a what an impact?

639
00:32:11,187 --> 00:32:11,947
Speaker 2: How are you feeling mate?

640
00:32:12,947 --> 00:32:13,147
Speaker 13: Yeah?

641
00:32:13,227 --> 00:32:15,827
Speaker 11: Better now after a couple of those runs, I was gassed.

642
00:32:16,147 --> 00:32:19,707
Speaker 11: That got into my second wind and yeah that felt good.

643
00:32:20,387 --> 00:32:22,867
Speaker 11: Proper Test match and came down to the wire because

644
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Speaker 11: they're a quality side that.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't go away. How are you watching Test rugby when

646
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Speaker 2: you're waiting for your chance to get on and play

647
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Speaker 2: Test rugby?

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Speaker 12: Ah?

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Speaker 11: I guess I've had a little bit of experience early

650
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Speaker 11: on in my career. I spend a lot of time

651
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Speaker 11: on the pine. I just try and stay calm, sit

652
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Speaker 11: next to my half back and Anton and Quartz in

653
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Speaker 11: this case tonight.

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Speaker 6: And commentate the game.

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Speaker 11: You don't want to work yourself up too much because

656
00:32:50,627 --> 00:32:52,707
Speaker 11: that can drain you, so try and stay calm.

657
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Speaker 6: It's easier said than done, because yeah.

658
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Speaker 11: I've been on in the tenth minute before off the

659
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Speaker 11: bench sometimes in the seventy eighth.

660
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Speaker 6: So yeah, it's a tricky spot to be in.

661
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Speaker 11: But we understand the importance of our influnce and we

662
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Speaker 11: do come on.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks were in a tricky position tonight. What

664
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Speaker 2: do you think got you over the line in the

665
00:33:10,707 --> 00:33:12,747
Speaker 2: last twenty minutes apart from you coming on, of course,

666
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Speaker 2: I think just giving us a little bit of structure

667
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Speaker 2: to see the pickture have time and execute what was required,

668
00:33:20,947 --> 00:33:24,667
Speaker 2: and that wasn't anything special other than unlocking areas that

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Speaker 2: we previewed, and that was based around how tight they

670
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Speaker 2: get and how much line.

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Speaker 6: Speed they like to bring. So it's easy said than done.

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Speaker 11: But that's I guess the beauty of watching for the

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Speaker 11: first fifty minutes.

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Speaker 2: That's butte embarraded after the game. A lot of people

675
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Speaker 2: have pointed out that the All Blacks pack was heavier

676
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Speaker 2: than England's nine thirty five to eight ninety five. If

677
00:33:45,307 --> 00:33:47,747
Speaker 2: we just zero one on the locks, though I think

678
00:33:47,787 --> 00:33:51,707
Speaker 2: a Toji and George Martin were physically as big of

679
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Speaker 2: not bigger than Scott Barrett and and Patrick twe a

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Speaker 2: lot too. But the points stands sixteen away from one.

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Speaker 2: Just to let you know, we will keep you up

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Speaker 2: At BAB thirteen to one. Back to the lines. We

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Speaker 2: are going to open the lines again after one o'clock,

695
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Speaker 2: so don't panics they can't get through the first time.

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Speaker 19: Good I Mark, Hey Pinney, Yes, Boden wants to come back.

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Speaker 19: I'm sure we can tie some room on the bench

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Speaker 19: at the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: For I know, well, I get the feeling he's fairly

700
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Speaker 2: well as sconsdin Auckland now. He looks fairly comfortable up

701
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Speaker 2: this way, Mark unfortunately.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, we'll leave the door open anyway. Indeed, congratulations to

703
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Speaker 19: the Island. I thought that was one of the best

704
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Speaker 19: games I've seen in the very long time and rugby,

705
00:35:07,627 --> 00:35:10,787
Speaker 19: and I think Andy Ferrell was probably the best coach

706
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Speaker 19: in world rugby at the moment.

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00:35:13,787 --> 00:35:14,027
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: I mean, you know when they came a couple of

709
00:35:16,227 --> 00:35:17,947
Speaker 19: years ago and won the series here, I think we

710
00:35:18,067 --> 00:35:20,507
Speaker 19: thought we should have beaten Ireland. But you know, going

711
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Speaker 19: to South Africa and that team they played last night,

712
00:35:23,067 --> 00:35:25,227
Speaker 19: you know they probably shouldn't have won on paper. But man,

713
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Speaker 19: they just find a way to win, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, absolutely right. Yeah, I mean there's been some

715
00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:34,227
Speaker 2: really good test rugby. Again, though I watched the Wallabies

716
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Speaker 2: Wilds game, and I don't know whether you did, Mike,

717
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Speaker 2: I was a little bit underwhelmed by. Just there's obviously

718
00:35:38,587 --> 00:35:40,947
Speaker 2: there's the top four or five teams at the moment,

719
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to include France and there and then

720
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Speaker 2: there's a bit of a gap.

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Speaker 19: Right, Oh, absolutely, And I think I don't even know

722
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Speaker 19: whether they all blacks. I mean last night's game. To me,

723
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Speaker 19: d Max looks better when body's on. He looks a

724
00:35:53,827 --> 00:35:57,467
Speaker 19: little bit frazzled under pressure. And I'll have to disagree

725
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Speaker 19: with you on the box kick. I hate the buddy

726
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Speaker 19: box kick. But we saw we saw a great start

727
00:36:01,867 --> 00:36:04,107
Speaker 19: to the great game and a great finish, but there

728
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Speaker 19: were sixty minutes of box kicking in the middle of it,

729
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Speaker 19: and I was just getting I was just like getting

730
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Speaker 19: so frustrated, because like both those teams when they want to,

731
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Speaker 19: can really play a great game of rugby. And I

732
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Speaker 19: think as we saw that with Ireland, and I think

733
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Speaker 19: the Irish game is the game that probably Raiser wants

734
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Speaker 19: to play with the All Blacks rather than this very

735
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Speaker 19: static set piece, because I think we play into English

736
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Speaker 19: and into their hands when we played this boxed kicking

737
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Speaker 19: lineout game, and I think we lost the battle there, don't.

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Speaker 2: You, Yes, I do, yeah, And I guess that's the

739
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Speaker 2: thing though, Mark, isn't it. If you're an international rugby coach,

740
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Speaker 2: you've got to come You got to cut your cloth

741
00:36:45,067 --> 00:36:47,227
Speaker 2: to suit, don't you. I think you're probably right. I

742
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Speaker 2: think you know Rais raw Relish a game against the Irish,

743
00:36:50,227 --> 00:36:52,067
Speaker 2: but you know, the first assignment for him was two

744
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Speaker 2: tests against England early in his All Blacks career, and

745
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Speaker 2: I guess you'd say he's passed. He was asked last

746
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Speaker 2: night actually in the press conference, you know what grade

747
00:36:59,787 --> 00:37:02,547
Speaker 2: would you give yourself? And he thought long and hard again,

748
00:37:02,667 --> 00:37:05,507
Speaker 2: had about a thirty second pause for effect, and then

749
00:37:05,547 --> 00:37:09,347
Speaker 2: he said, past Mark, and I think we'd all probably agree.

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Speaker 2: Two wins from two.

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Speaker 19: Oh absolutely. I mean the players losing Gozler and white

752
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Speaker 19: Lock and Smith, and you know Richie Mulwanga, who like

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Speaker 19: you know, ran the game. Losing those players and still

754
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Speaker 19: being able to win against a very good English team

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Speaker 19: I think is probably better than a past mate.

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Speaker 2: Good Man Mark always good to chat mate. Hello, Brent,

757
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Speaker 2: you're waiting for the for the return of came Roy

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Speaker 2: Guard at halfback?

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Speaker 8: Yes, enter the better end of the better. More hurricanes,

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Speaker 8: more hurricanes are required, so as long.

761
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Speaker 2: As they are, we need to get Billy Propter in there.

762
00:37:48,627 --> 00:37:50,427
Speaker 2: Probably need to get Kidding the whole of on the wing.

763
00:37:50,627 --> 00:37:52,867
Speaker 2: Maybe you know Xavia Nimir in the front row, all

764
00:37:52,907 --> 00:37:55,347
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. I thought Rama was good though,

765
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Speaker 2: did you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So speaking of wings, why doesn't you only go

767
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:06,987
Speaker 8: back out to the wing and we have a center

768
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Speaker 8: that's a little bit more involved, if you like, in

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Speaker 8: the game.

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Speaker 2: He's found it hard to get involved recently, hasn't he bred?

771
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Speaker 2: He hasn't stood out Rico Yowanni like he he has previously.

772
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Speaker 2: I think that I think they'll move back to the

773
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Speaker 2: wingers unless Raize can change his mind. He seems to

774
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Speaker 2: me to be, you know, to be locked in at

775
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Speaker 2: center now, but I think he's going to come under

776
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Speaker 2: a pressure and without being biased you and I Hurricanes fans,

777
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Speaker 2: I think Billy proct has had a really good Super

778
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Speaker 2: Rugby season.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Well even Leonard Brown I think made a

780
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Speaker 8: bit of different last night. He probably petted position. I

781
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Speaker 8: think some credit is going to go to Australian mate

782
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Speaker 8: with the whistle, certainly an improvement over the last week's referee.

783
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Speaker 8: And yeah, i'd like to have seen Blackadder out there.

784
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Speaker 8: I reckon he'd of make quite a difference.

785
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well, I think you'll certainly see thanks

786
00:39:00,827 --> 00:39:02,467
Speaker 2: for your corporand I think you'll certainly see Ethan black

787
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Speaker 2: added next week and I agree. I think Summer Penny

788
00:39:05,347 --> 00:39:08,787
Speaker 2: female has had a quiet start to the season. You

789
00:39:08,787 --> 00:39:11,387
Speaker 2: think about the Summer Penny female who was just, you know,

790
00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:16,227
Speaker 2: the aggressor for the Chiefs and the way he the

791
00:39:16,227 --> 00:39:18,547
Speaker 2: way he you know, just just really struck fear into

792
00:39:18,587 --> 00:39:20,307
Speaker 2: first fives in particular because when they got the ball

793
00:39:20,347 --> 00:39:21,587
Speaker 2: they didn't know if he's going to hurt them or not.

794
00:39:22,307 --> 00:39:24,827
Speaker 2: I think some of Penny females had a quiet start

795
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Speaker 2: to the international season. So yeah, I think you'll see

796
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,427
Speaker 2: Ethan Black added the next week. There'll be a lot

797
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Speaker 2: of changes next week against Fiji. I think everybody in

798
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:35,187
Speaker 2: the squad who hasn't played or play and just on

799
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Speaker 2: the half backs, what a one two punch cam Royguard

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Speaker 2: and Courtez Ratama could be. I really liked what I

801
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Speaker 2: saw from Courtez last night and muster Met. I thought

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00:39:45,107 --> 00:39:48,667
Speaker 2: he added a lot when he came on seven and

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Speaker 2: a half Away from One News talks inb.

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Speaker 1: The schools from the track fields and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sorts the weekends for it with Jason

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Speaker 1: Vine and used talks.

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Speaker 2: INB just on four to one News at one, including

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Speaker 2: the lads from Pennsylvania where there's been an assassination attempt

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Speaker 2: reportedly on former President did Donald Trump? More to come

810
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Speaker 2: on that? In our news at one, Susie says, Finally,

811
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Speaker 2: when the English fullback went off for an Hia and

812
00:40:13,707 --> 00:40:15,747
Speaker 2: replaced with the English number ten, coming back on was

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Speaker 2: as Hia confirmed. It happened just as Boden Barrett was

814
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Speaker 2: letting loose. I'm just interested because he didn't come back on.

815
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Speaker 2: I think he failed the Hia Susie. Susie goes on

816
00:40:25,587 --> 00:40:28,027
Speaker 2: to say Body and Cortez were fantastic. They up the

817
00:40:28,067 --> 00:40:32,147
Speaker 2: pace considerably, injected some brains and enthusiasm. Boden should be

818
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Speaker 2: given a bit more respect than bringing him on in

819
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Speaker 2: the last twenty isn't it better if we stunned them

820
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Speaker 2: at the beginning? And Boden's kickchase was also outstanding? Thanks Susie,

821
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Speaker 2: good good points after one o'clock. Actually, what's it like

822
00:40:44,147 --> 00:40:47,107
Speaker 2: watching your son play for the All Blacks? In fact,

823
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Speaker 2: what's it like watching your son's plural play for the

824
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Speaker 2: All Blacks? When things are going like they were last night,

825
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Speaker 2: so tense? And then one of them does that? Kevin

826
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Speaker 2: Barrett father off after one.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

828
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Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on Reigen's Ford with Jason

829
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Speaker 1: Vane on your home.

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Speaker 2: Of Sports U Talk one O seven, Smiley Barrett and

831
00:41:14,867 --> 00:41:17,347
Speaker 2: just a sack from Joegude Piney. What's the chances of

832
00:41:17,347 --> 00:41:20,707
Speaker 2: immigration going to the hotel where England is staying to

833
00:41:20,747 --> 00:41:23,827
Speaker 2: seize their passports? Gee? I wish they were staying here

834
00:41:23,827 --> 00:41:26,627
Speaker 2: for more games, says Joe. The last two weeks have

835
00:41:26,707 --> 00:41:29,747
Speaker 2: been fantastic. England are building a very good team and

836
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Speaker 2: the return match at Twickenham later in the year will

837
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Speaker 2: be a monumental game. Great start for the Abs, but

838
00:41:35,027 --> 00:41:38,227
Speaker 2: plenty to work on, especially the line out roll on

839
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Speaker 2: the rest of the Test season. Thanks Joe and Jake,

840
00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,827
Speaker 2: says Piney. Hot over here in Fiji, great game last night.

841
00:41:44,147 --> 00:41:46,307
Speaker 2: I said to my old man the day before rass

842
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Speaker 2: first Test that if he wins these two tests with

843
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Speaker 2: a new team, then he's going to go unbeaten for

844
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Speaker 2: ten years, including two World Cups. Mark my words, Jaco

845
00:41:57,067 --> 00:41:59,827
Speaker 2: will mark your words. Ten years unbeaten. That would be

846
00:41:59,907 --> 00:42:02,947
Speaker 2: quite the streak from Razors men, wouldn't it.

847
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Speaker 20: Voter Barrett, that's opened vow.

848
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Speaker 4: Boden neph we got nep gotda All Blacks in front.

849
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Speaker 14: Of the park.

850
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a try for Mark Talaya set up by

851
00:42:16,307 --> 00:42:19,947
Speaker 2: Boden Barrett, whose impact off the bench was unquestionable and

852
00:42:20,027 --> 00:42:22,907
Speaker 2: pivotal to the All Blacks winning last night. Among the

853
00:42:22,947 --> 00:42:25,467
Speaker 2: forty seven thousand there last night were plenty of All

854
00:42:25,467 --> 00:42:29,347
Speaker 2: Blacks friends and family. Kevin and Robin Barrett, parents of

855
00:42:29,387 --> 00:42:33,227
Speaker 2: Captain Scott second five, Jordian's man at the moment. Boden

856
00:42:33,267 --> 00:42:35,507
Speaker 2: traveled a pretty much every Test match their sons play,

857
00:42:35,547 --> 00:42:38,267
Speaker 2: and they were in Dunedin last weekend at Eton Park

858
00:42:38,467 --> 00:42:42,067
Speaker 2: last night. Kevin Barrett, himself a former Hurricane and absolute

859
00:42:42,147 --> 00:42:45,467
Speaker 2: Tarannucky Stalwart is with us on the show. Kevin, thanks

860
00:42:45,467 --> 00:42:47,907
Speaker 2: for taking our call. How do you go watching your

861
00:42:47,907 --> 00:42:51,427
Speaker 2: sons play in in tight Test matches like last weekend

862
00:42:51,427 --> 00:42:53,107
Speaker 2: in Dunedin and then again last night.

863
00:42:54,467 --> 00:43:01,747
Speaker 10: You good afternoon, pony. Yeah, well, I'm usually so. The

864
00:43:01,827 --> 00:43:04,347
Speaker 10: last few years have been pretty been well, not crazy,

865
00:43:04,387 --> 00:43:06,827
Speaker 10: but you know, you got a few lives again and

866
00:43:07,147 --> 00:43:08,947
Speaker 10: obviously you want to get a few points on the

867
00:43:08,947 --> 00:43:10,707
Speaker 10: board and that's sort of that your nerves go away.

868
00:43:10,707 --> 00:43:14,067
Speaker 10: But you, to be honest, the last few weeks with

869
00:43:14,947 --> 00:43:18,747
Speaker 10: just scrotch scrot getting the captaincy and with the last

870
00:43:18,787 --> 00:43:22,707
Speaker 10: week having me first Test, they got the first tr

871
00:43:22,787 --> 00:43:28,707
Speaker 10: nation England. Well you know it's the first game is

872
00:43:30,387 --> 00:43:35,187
Speaker 10: new new captain and the new coach. Years. It wasn't

873
00:43:35,187 --> 00:43:37,147
Speaker 10: a given so you full full groups of the boys.

874
00:43:37,147 --> 00:43:42,707
Speaker 10: They it wasn't yeah, I mean what what wasn't pretty

875
00:43:42,747 --> 00:43:44,747
Speaker 10: at times? But they got the winner. That's all it made.

876
00:43:45,627 --> 00:43:48,747
Speaker 2: Are you able to watch rugby as a as a

877
00:43:48,787 --> 00:43:50,387
Speaker 2: fan like the rest of us, or is it all

878
00:43:50,427 --> 00:43:51,187
Speaker 2: wise as a parent?

879
00:43:53,107 --> 00:43:53,347
Speaker 4: Yeah?

880
00:43:53,387 --> 00:43:58,787
Speaker 10: I think yeah, it's just appearent. Really, I mean I

881
00:43:58,907 --> 00:44:03,707
Speaker 10: just think of yeah, I mean I just don't want

882
00:44:03,747 --> 00:44:06,347
Speaker 10: the book. You just think of the worst case scenari

883
00:44:06,547 --> 00:44:08,827
Speaker 10: of their of you know, I think back to was

884
00:44:08,867 --> 00:44:10,787
Speaker 10: it last year the year before the n and Boden

885
00:44:10,827 --> 00:44:12,587
Speaker 10: took their high ball in South Africa that he come

886
00:44:12,627 --> 00:44:15,147
Speaker 10: down on his on the back of his head, you know,

887
00:44:15,227 --> 00:44:17,747
Speaker 10: on his neck, and you just think the worst, you know,

888
00:44:17,787 --> 00:44:20,907
Speaker 10: and he was a miracle that had no no damage,

889
00:44:21,787 --> 00:44:23,507
Speaker 10: you know, and he he'd carried on playing.

890
00:44:23,507 --> 00:44:23,667
Speaker 4: You know.

891
00:44:23,707 --> 00:44:28,027
Speaker 10: It was yeah, those things you just yeah, has we

892
00:44:28,627 --> 00:44:30,467
Speaker 10: will any player really, but you know when it's your son,

893
00:44:30,547 --> 00:44:34,587
Speaker 10: you just you just and and just perhaps they take

894
00:44:34,707 --> 00:44:38,507
Speaker 10: here I'm especially more so Robin. Yes, she can't take it.

895
00:44:38,587 --> 00:44:40,227
Speaker 10: Sometimes she's just got to give over the house or

896
00:44:40,587 --> 00:44:41,627
Speaker 10: just go to walk up the road.

897
00:44:43,587 --> 00:44:45,467
Speaker 2: But she lasted the eighty minutes of eating Park last

898
00:44:45,547 --> 00:44:46,507
Speaker 2: I presumably did she?

899
00:44:47,027 --> 00:44:49,987
Speaker 10: Yes, yes she did. Yeah, yes, he was on age

900
00:44:50,027 --> 00:44:52,587
Speaker 10: a few times. But yeah, it was the word.

901
00:44:54,587 --> 00:44:54,867
Speaker 6: I mean.

902
00:44:54,867 --> 00:44:58,667
Speaker 2: But conversely, how proud do you both feel when you

903
00:44:58,707 --> 00:45:00,987
Speaker 2: watch your sons not only play, but play so well.

904
00:45:01,027 --> 00:45:03,707
Speaker 2: I mean, when Boden comes on and has the impact

905
00:45:03,747 --> 00:45:06,267
Speaker 2: that he does, How proud do you feel? Then?

906
00:45:06,387 --> 00:45:13,227
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're really really proud all the boys. Yeah, it's yeah,

907
00:45:13,267 --> 00:45:15,867
Speaker 10: we just think back to well, the Journey of two thousand.

908
00:45:16,027 --> 00:45:18,307
Speaker 10: You know them in Bob's first names. You know, there's

909
00:45:18,347 --> 00:45:21,867
Speaker 10: a huge honor, you know, just have a obviously played

910
00:45:21,867 --> 00:45:23,147
Speaker 10: in New Zealand and sevens, but you know, to be

911
00:45:23,227 --> 00:45:24,787
Speaker 10: called of the all backs and nameds and all that

912
00:45:24,907 --> 00:45:27,827
Speaker 10: was a huge on it for Forboding and any family

913
00:45:27,907 --> 00:45:31,107
Speaker 10: year and then in obviously two thousand and seven and

914
00:45:31,147 --> 00:45:33,107
Speaker 10: then Scotty and Georgie who were called them together there

915
00:45:33,107 --> 00:45:35,747
Speaker 10: it was yeah. I mean, god, you're thinking, is this

916
00:45:35,827 --> 00:45:38,987
Speaker 10: a dream and what? But yeah, it's just it is

917
00:45:39,027 --> 00:45:41,027
Speaker 10: and it's a huge honor and we're very priviaged as

918
00:45:41,027 --> 00:45:43,427
Speaker 10: a family and the boys just love playing with each other,

919
00:45:43,467 --> 00:45:47,867
Speaker 10: and the whole coast Taranaki just yeah, they just where

920
00:45:47,907 --> 00:45:51,107
Speaker 10: everyone's sons really, you know, so they just yes, get

921
00:45:51,147 --> 00:45:55,107
Speaker 10: helping your messages and people wishing them well, and yeah,

922
00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:59,067
Speaker 10: it's that's great, But I mean it's in each year

923
00:45:59,107 --> 00:46:01,787
Speaker 10: they get you know, the names get read out, and

924
00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:03,627
Speaker 10: you just we just celebrate it because you know one

925
00:46:03,707 --> 00:46:05,907
Speaker 10: day it's it will come to an end. But you

926
00:46:06,027 --> 00:46:08,147
Speaker 10: just got be there for them. And we just love

927
00:46:08,227 --> 00:46:10,187
Speaker 10: supporting the kids, you know, the better what we're doing

928
00:46:10,547 --> 00:46:12,067
Speaker 10: all the kids, you know, we say to them, so

929
00:46:12,187 --> 00:46:13,787
Speaker 10: what are you rather do? In suport? We just you're

930
00:46:13,787 --> 00:46:14,227
Speaker 10: supporting them.

931
00:46:14,227 --> 00:46:15,627
Speaker 13: Me, it's this weekend amazing.

932
00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:19,227
Speaker 2: When things aren't going well, how do you handle the

933
00:46:19,627 --> 00:46:22,707
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it advice that's coming from the crowd

934
00:46:22,707 --> 00:46:26,867
Speaker 2: around you. Do you hear that?

935
00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:29,467
Speaker 10: That's quite funny. If she was undered d'needon last week

936
00:46:29,507 --> 00:46:32,787
Speaker 10: and Robin we got to talk to lear and a

937
00:46:32,787 --> 00:46:39,827
Speaker 10: little bit of fundraiser and and yeah it was yeah,

938
00:46:39,827 --> 00:46:42,227
Speaker 10: it's I haven't been next, but Robin's been the crowd

939
00:46:42,227 --> 00:46:49,307
Speaker 10: a few times and and Uh, so I'll keep going

940
00:46:49,347 --> 00:46:51,547
Speaker 10: anyway there and just see I mean just just the

941
00:46:51,627 --> 00:46:54,267
Speaker 10: remarks here that some people come across, but I mean,

942
00:46:54,307 --> 00:46:57,387
Speaker 10: just quite time and move on. But it's quite funny

943
00:46:57,387 --> 00:46:59,747
Speaker 10: because Jordy was Jordie was having a kick and this

944
00:46:59,827 --> 00:47:02,827
Speaker 10: woman was on front. He said, Jordy bert kicking again,

945
00:47:02,867 --> 00:47:09,747
Speaker 10: and and it's quite funny. It was Robin. Robin tapped

946
00:47:09,747 --> 00:47:11,987
Speaker 10: on the Shudian. So hello, by the way, I'm Robin's

947
00:47:12,067 --> 00:47:14,027
Speaker 10: I'm Jordie's mom. And oh gods, he's just got a

948
00:47:14,067 --> 00:47:16,227
Speaker 10: crawled up in the ball. I mean, you know, it

949
00:47:16,787 --> 00:47:19,707
Speaker 10: was great, Yeah, Ella Ell, I just couldn't believe it.

950
00:47:19,707 --> 00:47:22,347
Speaker 10: But she was certain the next time next to you know,

951
00:47:22,427 --> 00:47:25,147
Speaker 10: it's the youngest daughter, that is. But I mean everyone

952
00:47:25,267 --> 00:47:28,347
Speaker 10: everyone's got an opinion, you know, so you just it's

953
00:47:28,627 --> 00:47:30,427
Speaker 10: you just get on and it really just it's just

954
00:47:30,427 --> 00:47:30,787
Speaker 10: one of his.

955
00:47:31,107 --> 00:47:33,627
Speaker 2: I love that story. I love that story. You're a

956
00:47:33,627 --> 00:47:35,187
Speaker 2: better man than me. But if you can hold your

957
00:47:35,227 --> 00:47:37,507
Speaker 2: tongue and situations like that, I think we all want

958
00:47:37,507 --> 00:47:39,787
Speaker 2: to predict our kids when when we feel like they've

959
00:47:39,787 --> 00:47:43,787
Speaker 2: been unfairly unfairly talked about. Scott, as you say, is

960
00:47:43,787 --> 00:47:46,827
Speaker 2: now Captain of the All Blacks. Has that changed his

961
00:47:47,027 --> 00:47:48,067
Speaker 2: persona in any way?

962
00:47:50,627 --> 00:47:54,307
Speaker 10: Scottish he keeps things pretty close to his chest, you know.

963
00:47:54,347 --> 00:47:56,387
Speaker 10: And I think when he was named or let Captain

964
00:47:56,427 --> 00:47:58,907
Speaker 10: Knee sort of said raised, I had a move before

965
00:47:58,947 --> 00:48:00,627
Speaker 10: and Raisor said he had a conversation with him. I

966
00:48:00,627 --> 00:48:02,307
Speaker 10: didn't really sort of tell us he's going to take

967
00:48:02,307 --> 00:48:06,867
Speaker 10: it or not. But yeah, he's very measured, He's very thoughtful.

968
00:48:08,507 --> 00:48:11,787
Speaker 10: But yeah, I mean Scotty who just just wants to

969
00:48:11,827 --> 00:48:13,427
Speaker 10: be on the boys and that was his main concern.

970
00:48:13,467 --> 00:48:16,147
Speaker 10: It's just you know, been sort of not distant himselves

971
00:48:16,187 --> 00:48:18,707
Speaker 10: on the team. But no, I think you know, it's

972
00:48:19,427 --> 00:48:22,947
Speaker 10: it's a huge Yeah, it's a huge on a huge role.

973
00:48:23,067 --> 00:48:25,307
Speaker 10: So I mean he'll he will definitely grow into it.

974
00:48:25,347 --> 00:48:26,827
Speaker 10: I mean he's been a few years kept in for

975
00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:29,667
Speaker 10: the p Saderes, you know, so it's yeah, but this

976
00:48:29,827 --> 00:48:31,987
Speaker 10: this is another level, you know, so he always going

977
00:48:31,987 --> 00:48:34,187
Speaker 10: to be when things are going you know, the big

978
00:48:34,347 --> 00:48:36,707
Speaker 10: w makes a huge difference. But when things aren't going wrong,

979
00:48:36,787 --> 00:48:40,147
Speaker 10: you know, he isn't sort of he hasn't faced that yet,

980
00:48:40,187 --> 00:48:43,587
Speaker 10: but yeah, yeah, it is it just comes off a

981
00:48:43,667 --> 00:48:45,827
Speaker 10: job really, so you know, he obviously weighed that up

982
00:48:45,827 --> 00:48:48,627
Speaker 10: when he took it on. So it just comes with

983
00:48:48,707 --> 00:48:51,707
Speaker 10: the job. Everyone, you know, all the supporters and they

984
00:48:51,787 --> 00:48:53,587
Speaker 10: just want one. I want to win the end of

985
00:48:53,587 --> 00:48:57,027
Speaker 10: the day, you know. And then when that interview comes

986
00:48:57,067 --> 00:48:59,027
Speaker 10: where you know, for the first loss or whatever, well, yeah,

987
00:48:59,027 --> 00:49:01,067
Speaker 10: it's always going to be challenging, specially the team doesn't

988
00:49:01,067 --> 00:49:03,427
Speaker 10: play well. But it just comes. It's comes of the job.

989
00:49:04,787 --> 00:49:06,827
Speaker 2: He said a really interesting thing to me like weekend

990
00:49:06,827 --> 00:49:08,467
Speaker 2: when we had a quick chat in Dneed and about

991
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:10,867
Speaker 2: the All Blacks and Club Rugby and we saw boat

992
00:49:10,947 --> 00:49:12,987
Speaker 2: and play for Coastal a few weeks back, and it

993
00:49:13,067 --> 00:49:15,347
Speaker 2: was obviously a big deal for the club. But I know,

994
00:49:15,467 --> 00:49:19,027
Speaker 2: I know your boys are very connected to the Taranaki province.

995
00:49:19,667 --> 00:49:21,627
Speaker 2: You said to me you'd quite like to see more

996
00:49:21,667 --> 00:49:24,427
Speaker 2: of that connection between the All Blacks players and their clubs.

997
00:49:25,427 --> 00:49:29,627
Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, for sure. I think you know that that's

998
00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:33,307
Speaker 10: where it all starts at Club Rugby, and I you

999
00:49:33,467 --> 00:49:38,027
Speaker 10: just well, you know, been talking to a few well

1000
00:49:38,707 --> 00:49:41,027
Speaker 10: just in the rugby servers. You know, I'd just like

1001
00:49:41,067 --> 00:49:43,707
Speaker 10: to see it happen with I think it'd be huge

1002
00:49:43,747 --> 00:49:48,147
Speaker 10: boost for grassroots rugby. If just need one buy I

1003
00:49:48,147 --> 00:49:50,707
Speaker 10: mean that the super super teams have a buy but

1004
00:49:50,867 --> 00:49:52,387
Speaker 10: I mean they just go and do what they like

1005
00:49:52,427 --> 00:49:53,827
Speaker 10: for the week, and the All Blacks have a couple

1006
00:49:53,787 --> 00:49:55,747
Speaker 10: of a couple of spells. But if they just said

1007
00:49:55,787 --> 00:49:59,267
Speaker 10: one bye early on the round, I mean, the Aussie

1008
00:49:59,307 --> 00:50:02,107
Speaker 10: teams play each other and you know, these young teams

1009
00:50:02,187 --> 00:50:03,987
Speaker 10: said one bye with it's a third or four week

1010
00:50:04,027 --> 00:50:06,547
Speaker 10: and everyone just goes home to their clubs, and that

1011
00:50:06,587 --> 00:50:08,707
Speaker 10: would be a huge shot in the arm for club

1012
00:50:08,787 --> 00:50:11,227
Speaker 10: rugby weather. You know, on a Tuesday night, in a

1013
00:50:11,267 --> 00:50:13,987
Speaker 10: Thursday night, the younger grades and they come down you

1014
00:50:14,067 --> 00:50:17,787
Speaker 10: and just just see these stars play. And that's where

1015
00:50:18,147 --> 00:50:21,747
Speaker 10: I think that's We've got to get connection between the

1016
00:50:21,827 --> 00:50:23,867
Speaker 10: All backs and super players, you know, with with your

1017
00:50:23,907 --> 00:50:26,587
Speaker 10: clubs and you know it's not going to cross ince

1018
00:50:26,627 --> 00:50:29,067
Speaker 10: injured up for your sins and that just it just

1019
00:50:29,067 --> 00:50:32,507
Speaker 10: seemed the right signals to, you know, to just to

1020
00:50:32,627 --> 00:50:37,147
Speaker 10: promote your game and just yeah, it's just it's just

1021
00:50:37,307 --> 00:50:38,787
Speaker 10: it's got to be good for the game, I believe

1022
00:50:38,907 --> 00:50:42,107
Speaker 10: was you know, we're struggling at the moment with right

1023
00:50:42,147 --> 00:50:45,467
Speaker 10: at the top with governance issues and et cetera. But

1024
00:50:46,627 --> 00:50:47,987
Speaker 10: I think that would be huge for the game.

1025
00:50:48,467 --> 00:50:50,627
Speaker 2: I totally agree, Kevin. Great to get the chance to

1026
00:50:50,707 --> 00:50:54,547
Speaker 2: chat another another night last night that you remember for

1027
00:50:54,587 --> 00:50:56,227
Speaker 2: a long time. I'm sure. Thanks for taking the time

1028
00:50:56,267 --> 00:50:57,227
Speaker 2: for a chat. I always love it.

1029
00:50:58,147 --> 00:50:59,667
Speaker 10: Yes, it's pleasing. You have a good day.

1030
00:50:59,707 --> 00:51:01,267
Speaker 2: You have a good day too, Kevin. Thanks and Kevin

1031
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:06,267
Speaker 2: Barrett then Smiley as he's universally known, dad of eight children,

1032
00:51:06,347 --> 00:51:09,787
Speaker 2: including three of those who played a major part last night.

1033
00:51:09,867 --> 00:51:11,387
Speaker 2: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've got a

1034
00:51:11,427 --> 00:51:14,027
Speaker 2: bit of time. It was a one seventeen. We couldn't

1035
00:51:14,027 --> 00:51:15,787
Speaker 2: get everybody on the air last out. If you want

1036
00:51:15,787 --> 00:51:17,347
Speaker 2: to make a point about the All Blacks game, any

1037
00:51:17,387 --> 00:51:19,227
Speaker 2: part of it, keen your hair from you. I eight

1038
00:51:19,387 --> 00:51:23,307
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. Scott Robinson was asked afterwards

1039
00:51:23,507 --> 00:51:27,827
Speaker 2: what grade he'd given himself. So an interesting question actually,

1040
00:51:28,707 --> 00:51:30,627
Speaker 2: as I said last hour, he paused for a long

1041
00:51:30,667 --> 00:51:32,707
Speaker 2: time before he said, look a pass mark and I

1042
00:51:32,747 --> 00:51:34,547
Speaker 2: think you have to, don't you. If you had said

1043
00:51:34,547 --> 00:51:37,827
Speaker 2: at the start of the you know two weeks ago,

1044
00:51:38,227 --> 00:51:40,107
Speaker 2: all right, you're going to win both games against England,

1045
00:51:40,787 --> 00:51:44,987
Speaker 2: then that's absolutely a pass of course, it is to

1046
00:51:45,027 --> 00:51:48,107
Speaker 2: win two Tests against a good side at the start

1047
00:51:49,107 --> 00:51:51,587
Speaker 2: of your tenure as All Blacks coach, you take it.

1048
00:51:51,787 --> 00:51:54,667
Speaker 2: They'd bite your hand off for it. Two from two

1049
00:51:56,347 --> 00:51:58,067
Speaker 2: Phil says, that's a good idea, mister Barrett with the

1050
00:51:58,067 --> 00:52:00,267
Speaker 2: Club rugby. I totally agree before we get to the calls,

1051
00:52:01,067 --> 00:52:03,667
Speaker 2: that is a terrific idea. Had the chance to meet

1052
00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:05,867
Speaker 2: Kevin Barrett for the first time in Dunedin last week

1053
00:52:05,867 --> 00:52:07,947
Speaker 2: and he we were chatting about that idea. That's why

1054
00:52:07,947 --> 00:52:09,387
Speaker 2: I asked him it then, because I wanted them to

1055
00:52:09,387 --> 00:52:13,147
Speaker 2: get it across to a wider audience. His idea is

1056
00:52:13,187 --> 00:52:16,467
Speaker 2: that for one weekend in Super Rugby, all the New

1057
00:52:16,547 --> 00:52:20,627
Speaker 2: Zealand sides have a bye and all of the players

1058
00:52:20,627 --> 00:52:22,667
Speaker 2: and Super Rugby, not just the All Blacks, but all

1059
00:52:22,747 --> 00:52:26,267
Speaker 2: of them go back to their clubs and just spend

1060
00:52:26,307 --> 00:52:28,347
Speaker 2: time there. They don't have to play. They can if

1061
00:52:28,387 --> 00:52:30,547
Speaker 2: they want to, and if they can get that past

1062
00:52:30,587 --> 00:52:33,787
Speaker 2: their super coaches they can, but just be around their

1063
00:52:33,787 --> 00:52:39,427
Speaker 2: clubs for a week. Imagine the booster would give. I

1064
00:52:39,507 --> 00:52:42,067
Speaker 2: just think it's an amazing idea. Yes, I know there

1065
00:52:42,107 --> 00:52:44,867
Speaker 2: are there's going to be a year but year, but yeah,

1066
00:52:44,907 --> 00:52:51,627
Speaker 2: but it's a great idea. The reconnection, and I mean

1067
00:52:51,747 --> 00:52:54,747
Speaker 2: you've seen it. You've been to rugby games, super rugby games,

1068
00:52:54,747 --> 00:52:58,027
Speaker 2: even NPC games, certainly All Blacks games. The kids when

1069
00:52:58,067 --> 00:53:03,627
Speaker 2: they get to meet these players, it's just an indescribable

1070
00:53:03,667 --> 00:53:07,347
Speaker 2: feeling and watching them. I was at the Captain's Run

1071
00:53:07,387 --> 00:53:09,707
Speaker 2: the other day up here in Auckland and the chance

1072
00:53:09,747 --> 00:53:12,347
Speaker 2: for you know, to get autographs and selfies and just

1073
00:53:12,387 --> 00:53:19,027
Speaker 2: the wide eyed or with which kids look at their heroes.

1074
00:53:19,907 --> 00:53:22,787
Speaker 2: Imagine if they were given the opportunity to reconnect with

1075
00:53:23,467 --> 00:53:26,147
Speaker 2: dozens hundreds of not just kids, but those at the

1076
00:53:26,187 --> 00:53:28,827
Speaker 2: grassroots level at club rugby as well. I think it's

1077
00:53:28,827 --> 00:53:33,067
Speaker 2: a terrific idea from from from Kevin Barrett. And he

1078
00:53:33,107 --> 00:53:34,867
Speaker 2: did say too, and I'm sure he won't mind me

1079
00:53:34,867 --> 00:53:37,267
Speaker 2: saying this, that that all three of his sons would

1080
00:53:37,307 --> 00:53:39,707
Speaker 2: do it. They would absolutely do do it in a heartbeat.

1081
00:53:40,787 --> 00:53:43,547
Speaker 2: You know, Boden played for Coastal before the All Black

1082
00:53:43,587 --> 00:53:47,747
Speaker 2: season and you know it was apparently a terrific day. Anyway,

1083
00:53:48,187 --> 00:53:51,667
Speaker 2: that's one perhaps for those who make these decisions to

1084
00:53:51,707 --> 00:53:55,427
Speaker 2: kick around. James, How are you good mate?

1085
00:53:55,427 --> 00:53:56,107
Speaker 21: How are you Jason?

1086
00:53:56,267 --> 00:53:57,587
Speaker 2: Very good? James, thank you.

1087
00:53:59,307 --> 00:54:01,947
Speaker 21: Well. Listen, just just as I thought, loved the game

1088
00:54:02,027 --> 00:54:05,307
Speaker 21: last night but the kicking kind of needs something to

1089
00:54:05,307 --> 00:54:08,947
Speaker 21: be desired to help. But think Jeordie Barrett told go

1090
00:54:09,067 --> 00:54:12,707
Speaker 21: and take a few lessons from Matt Burton in the

1091
00:54:12,867 --> 00:54:15,347
Speaker 21: NRL and practice some of those spiral bombs that he

1092
00:54:15,427 --> 00:54:17,667
Speaker 21: sends down. Just change it up a bit.

1093
00:54:18,387 --> 00:54:21,067
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, which which part of the kicking were you

1094
00:54:21,187 --> 00:54:23,907
Speaker 2: not that that impressed by?

1095
00:54:24,467 --> 00:54:27,027
Speaker 21: Oh, I just feel like there's nothing there that puts

1096
00:54:27,267 --> 00:54:30,627
Speaker 21: as much pressure under the opposition. In the English I

1097
00:54:30,627 --> 00:54:32,667
Speaker 21: didn't think there was as much pressures, but they just

1098
00:54:32,667 --> 00:54:35,307
Speaker 21: seemed to be back and forward. So mixing it up

1099
00:54:35,347 --> 00:54:38,227
Speaker 21: with a kicking style like that, like I said, with

1100
00:54:38,267 --> 00:54:42,867
Speaker 21: the spiral bombs from around halfway then gives a lot

1101
00:54:42,907 --> 00:54:45,827
Speaker 21: of kickchase. But you know, as you see, the ball

1102
00:54:45,827 --> 00:54:48,107
Speaker 21: when it's coming down, goes all over the show. So

1103
00:54:48,107 --> 00:54:50,987
Speaker 21: it puts a hell of a lot of pressure under

1104
00:54:51,027 --> 00:54:54,187
Speaker 21: the fullback. And I guess that's what I think is

1105
00:54:54,227 --> 00:54:56,987
Speaker 21: another thing that could add to the arsenal and Jordie's

1106
00:54:57,027 --> 00:54:59,827
Speaker 21: kicking ability. I think he'd be fantastic and being able

1107
00:54:59,827 --> 00:55:00,747
Speaker 21: to do something like that.

1108
00:55:00,987 --> 00:55:03,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. James the box kicking for

1109
00:55:03,587 --> 00:55:05,787
Speaker 2: me last night, I think into need in the box

1110
00:55:05,867 --> 00:55:07,827
Speaker 2: kicking was a lot better. And I think about when

1111
00:55:08,507 --> 00:55:10,747
Speaker 2: Finla Christy was putting up bombs in the second half

1112
00:55:10,747 --> 00:55:13,387
Speaker 2: and severa Reese was chasing through and there was real pressure. Look,

1113
00:55:13,387 --> 00:55:14,507
Speaker 2: as I said at the top of the show, I

1114
00:55:14,547 --> 00:55:16,307
Speaker 2: don't mind the box kick per se as long as

1115
00:55:16,347 --> 00:55:18,387
Speaker 2: it's contested. Otherwise he's given the ball back.

1116
00:55:18,827 --> 00:55:19,107
Speaker 5: And I.

1117
00:55:20,587 --> 00:55:22,427
Speaker 2: Last night I just thought there was there are a

1118
00:55:22,507 --> 00:55:25,467
Speaker 2: number of kicks that were either misdirected or that weren't

1119
00:55:25,507 --> 00:55:28,507
Speaker 2: chased hard enough, and so basically uncontested box kick is

1120
00:55:28,507 --> 00:55:30,147
Speaker 2: really just giving the ball back.

1121
00:55:31,227 --> 00:55:34,307
Speaker 21: Yeah, I totally agree, and that's why you know we're

1122
00:55:34,307 --> 00:55:37,107
Speaker 21: out halfway. If you look at Burton, he kicks from

1123
00:55:37,787 --> 00:55:42,227
Speaker 21: inside his own ten to the halfway and Slotson behind

1124
00:55:42,267 --> 00:55:44,747
Speaker 21: the half back. I think it would just change it up,

1125
00:55:44,747 --> 00:55:48,027
Speaker 21: and you know the height that those kicks go. I've

1126
00:55:48,067 --> 00:55:51,507
Speaker 21: every confidence for someone like Jordie Evan Damon could get

1127
00:55:51,547 --> 00:55:54,827
Speaker 21: into it and then get the chase going really hard

1128
00:55:55,107 --> 00:55:57,867
Speaker 21: at the fallback or the wing. He's got to try

1129
00:55:57,907 --> 00:55:58,347
Speaker 21: and take it.

1130
00:55:58,867 --> 00:56:01,507
Speaker 2: Good man, James, good call mate, Thank you for calling

1131
00:56:01,547 --> 00:56:04,187
Speaker 2: through eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Tony, you want

1132
00:56:04,187 --> 00:56:05,627
Speaker 2: to talk about the English tactics.

1133
00:56:06,827 --> 00:56:10,427
Speaker 16: I thought their tactics in the first twenty minutes of

1134
00:56:10,467 --> 00:56:15,147
Speaker 16: the second half, where they aimlessly kicked and the All

1135
00:56:15,227 --> 00:56:19,667
Speaker 16: Blacks would get the ball and kick it into a

1136
00:56:19,867 --> 00:56:23,907
Speaker 16: better position for themselves and leave England out of position.

1137
00:56:24,347 --> 00:56:27,227
Speaker 16: They do this every time they come to New Zealand.

1138
00:56:27,667 --> 00:56:31,427
Speaker 16: They just put the ball in the air, hoping the

1139
00:56:31,547 --> 00:56:33,627
Speaker 16: or Blacks a drop it and to drop it, which

1140
00:56:33,627 --> 00:56:34,347
Speaker 16: they never do.

1141
00:56:35,427 --> 00:56:37,907
Speaker 2: You're talking about the first sorry, ton are you talking

1142
00:56:37,907 --> 00:56:39,547
Speaker 2: about the first part of the.

1143
00:56:39,507 --> 00:56:42,227
Speaker 16: Second half minutes of the second year when they were

1144
00:56:42,267 --> 00:56:42,907
Speaker 16: on attack.

1145
00:56:43,307 --> 00:56:45,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they were I mean we couldn't get to

1146
00:56:45,347 --> 00:56:46,947
Speaker 2: say wait, the Orlecs couldn't get out of their half

1147
00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:49,387
Speaker 2: in the second half, and the first bit the second.

1148
00:56:49,067 --> 00:56:52,787
Speaker 16: Half, the number of times their backs, the English backs

1149
00:56:52,827 --> 00:56:56,827
Speaker 16: got the ball and kicked it, which they always do.

1150
00:56:57,707 --> 00:57:01,547
Speaker 16: They don't continue attacking and the or Blacks get the

1151
00:57:01,587 --> 00:57:05,107
Speaker 16: ball and bang they're in a worse position than what

1152
00:57:06,187 --> 00:57:08,907
Speaker 16: they start. That's just my opinion.

1153
00:57:09,907 --> 00:57:12,187
Speaker 2: It's a valid opinion. They're all valid here, Tony, all

1154
00:57:12,267 --> 00:57:15,707
Speaker 2: valid here. I think the period of greatest dominance from

1155
00:57:15,747 --> 00:57:18,107
Speaker 2: my memory and I could be misremembering this, but the

1156
00:57:18,147 --> 00:57:21,787
Speaker 2: period of greatest dominance for England last night. Was the

1157
00:57:21,787 --> 00:57:24,507
Speaker 2: first twenty minutes, well, certainly the first ten or fifteen

1158
00:57:24,547 --> 00:57:26,827
Speaker 2: before Boden came on. Really, let's talk about it, you know,

1159
00:57:27,507 --> 00:57:32,747
Speaker 2: before Boden and after Boden, so Bb, before Boden, that

1160
00:57:32,827 --> 00:57:35,227
Speaker 2: part of the second half, I just thought England had

1161
00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:39,827
Speaker 2: had us pegged back, couldn't get out, spent most of

1162
00:57:39,867 --> 00:57:42,427
Speaker 2: the time down certainly an hour and a half and

1163
00:57:42,467 --> 00:57:46,187
Speaker 2: down in our twenty two maybe and look at the

1164
00:57:46,187 --> 00:57:50,507
Speaker 2: scoreboard would say they didn't capitalize on that territory. Yeah,

1165
00:57:50,547 --> 00:57:52,227
Speaker 2: I thought that that was the time of the game

1166
00:57:52,267 --> 00:57:53,907
Speaker 2: when I started to think, you know what, we might

1167
00:57:53,947 --> 00:57:57,827
Speaker 2: not win this game. I always like, even in the

1168
00:57:57,867 --> 00:58:02,187
Speaker 2: first half, I always I felt like we were going

1169
00:58:02,227 --> 00:58:04,307
Speaker 2: to win the game. It was it was that first

1170
00:58:04,347 --> 00:58:08,827
Speaker 2: ten or fifteen minutes in the second half when I

1171
00:58:08,867 --> 00:58:12,067
Speaker 2: started to think, you know what, this record might fall.

1172
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:20,267
Speaker 22: How are you, Dave, I'm good, that's funny. What what

1173
00:58:20,867 --> 00:58:25,267
Speaker 22: When Barrett was running down the left hand side, he

1174
00:58:25,347 --> 00:58:28,107
Speaker 22: kicked the ball twice. Yes, the second time when he

1175
00:58:28,227 --> 00:58:32,467
Speaker 22: kicked it, he couldn't catch it. It went about two

1176
00:58:32,547 --> 00:58:38,107
Speaker 22: or three yards you know forward and referee an England

1177
00:58:38,187 --> 00:58:41,267
Speaker 22: player got it kicked on the field. I had a

1178
00:58:41,467 --> 00:58:46,427
Speaker 22: say advantage, but within ten seconds he said, advantage over.

1179
00:58:47,267 --> 00:58:49,067
Speaker 22: I've never known him with that.

1180
00:58:49,187 --> 00:58:53,227
Speaker 2: Bloody quick was presumably the knock on advantage, Dave So

1181
00:58:53,307 --> 00:58:55,907
Speaker 2: when Yeah, but I know the passenger play you're talking about.

1182
00:58:56,147 --> 00:58:58,067
Speaker 2: He kicked it and kicked it again on the fall,

1183
00:58:58,427 --> 00:59:01,067
Speaker 2: then went together knocked it on. So advantage knock on

1184
00:59:01,107 --> 00:59:03,667
Speaker 2: advantage to England and you reckon it was only a

1185
00:59:03,787 --> 00:59:04,787
Speaker 2: very short advantage.

1186
00:59:05,907 --> 00:59:12,067
Speaker 22: Oh well, I've never known much say when they player

1187
00:59:12,147 --> 00:59:14,907
Speaker 22: advantage you know that you go on no no, no, yes, yes,

1188
00:59:15,587 --> 00:59:20,507
Speaker 22: yep they do what they have penalty or scum or whatever.

1189
00:59:20,587 --> 00:59:26,627
Speaker 22: But last night advantage over before hardly they've gone back

1190
00:59:26,707 --> 00:59:28,947
Speaker 22: up and an all black of Coursey.

1191
00:59:29,907 --> 00:59:32,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting one day, but I think

1192
00:59:32,187 --> 00:59:34,627
Speaker 2: I guess there's Well, my feel is that there's different

1193
00:59:34,667 --> 00:59:37,347
Speaker 2: advantages for knock ons then there are for penalties. For example,

1194
00:59:37,347 --> 00:59:40,067
Speaker 2: if if Barrett had infringed in in a way that

1195
00:59:40,107 --> 00:59:42,627
Speaker 2: there was a penalty advantage, then I think they would

1196
00:59:42,627 --> 00:59:43,787
Speaker 2: have come back for the penalty.

1197
00:59:44,067 --> 00:59:44,227
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1198
00:59:44,227 --> 00:59:46,947
Speaker 2: The knock on advantages is a really interesting one. When

1199
00:59:47,347 --> 00:59:50,827
Speaker 2: when is that advantage over? I think it largely depends

1200
00:59:50,867 --> 00:59:54,387
Speaker 2: on the referee on where the ball is, the state

1201
00:59:54,387 --> 00:59:56,547
Speaker 2: of the game. All those things there doesn't seem to

1202
00:59:56,547 --> 00:59:59,827
Speaker 2: be a constant, and it is referees discretion, isn't it.

1203
00:59:59,827 --> 01:00:02,507
Speaker 2: That's when the advantage is over the bit of play

1204
01:00:02,507 --> 01:00:05,467
Speaker 2: that led up to that, though, how good text?

1205
01:00:05,507 --> 01:00:05,667
Speaker 5: It?

1206
01:00:05,707 --> 01:00:08,227
Speaker 2: Is this a talk show today? Talk about the other

1207
01:00:08,267 --> 01:00:12,947
Speaker 2: fourteen players or the other? Tweeted tew I guess Offer

1208
01:00:12,987 --> 01:00:15,947
Speaker 2: talking the Fussy was a super sub mentioned the others

1209
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:19,387
Speaker 2: as well. Please all right, I'm sorry, I'm if I'm

1210
01:00:19,547 --> 01:00:23,107
Speaker 2: focusing too much on the Barretts today. Are you Offer

1211
01:00:23,107 --> 01:00:23,787
Speaker 2: talking the Fussy?

1212
01:00:23,787 --> 01:00:23,947
Speaker 21: Good?

1213
01:00:23,947 --> 01:00:26,987
Speaker 2: Fletcher? You'll good when they came on. That's what you

1214
01:00:26,987 --> 01:00:30,907
Speaker 2: want from your impact players. I get the feeling though

1215
01:00:30,907 --> 01:00:33,547
Speaker 2: that as most people were leaving that ground last night

1216
01:00:33,667 --> 01:00:36,827
Speaker 2: or were discussing it after it had finished on television.

1217
01:00:37,707 --> 01:00:40,507
Speaker 2: The key part of that game was the impact made

1218
01:00:40,587 --> 01:00:43,027
Speaker 2: by Boaden Barrett off the bench. It was the one

1219
01:00:43,107 --> 01:00:46,627
Speaker 2: key storyline to the whole game. So no real apologies

1220
01:00:46,667 --> 01:00:48,667
Speaker 2: for focusing on what was the main talking point. But

1221
01:00:49,227 --> 01:00:54,987
Speaker 2: I get your drift. I asked last hour where and

1222
01:00:55,027 --> 01:00:56,947
Speaker 2: I'm back on boat and Barret HP where he might

1223
01:00:57,027 --> 01:01:01,707
Speaker 2: sit in the list of our best number tens? If

1224
01:01:01,787 --> 01:01:06,667
Speaker 2: we assume that Daniel Carter is number one, well aparently

1225
01:01:06,987 --> 01:01:08,867
Speaker 2: he's not number one in the eyes of Dave. Andrew

1226
01:01:08,907 --> 01:01:12,027
Speaker 2: Mertens is our best, then Dan Carter, Richie Warner, Boden Barrack,

1227
01:01:12,067 --> 01:01:14,827
Speaker 2: Carlos Spencer. The number one job for the number ten

1228
01:01:14,907 --> 01:01:17,227
Speaker 2: is to execute the tactics and run the game. More importantly,

1229
01:01:17,347 --> 01:01:20,227
Speaker 2: change the tactics when things are not going according to plan.

1230
01:01:20,627 --> 01:01:23,387
Speaker 2: No one ran the game or changed the game like

1231
01:01:23,507 --> 01:01:26,827
Speaker 2: Andrew Murtens. Thanks Dave one twenty seven News Talks. He'll

1232
01:01:26,907 --> 01:01:28,347
Speaker 2: be back with more of your calls after this.

1233
01:01:30,507 --> 01:01:30,627
Speaker 4: One.

1234
01:01:30,867 --> 01:01:36,627
Speaker 1: Crunch Hold Engage, Weekend Sports with Jason Thame and GJ. Gunner,

1235
01:01:36,667 --> 01:01:39,667
Speaker 1: Homes New Zealand, so Ice, Trusted Home, Bilder News Talks,

1236
01:01:39,707 --> 01:01:40,907
Speaker 1: a Baby one thirty.

1237
01:01:40,947 --> 01:01:43,507
Speaker 2: Lot of Grant Fox fans out there too. Yeah, Yeah,

1238
01:01:43,587 --> 01:01:46,987
Speaker 2: terrific first five obviously, I think if I was naming

1239
01:01:47,067 --> 01:01:49,187
Speaker 2: my top five first fives Fox here be there.

1240
01:01:49,187 --> 01:01:52,267
Speaker 21: Hello, Mark, Ye're good afternoon, buddy.

1241
01:01:52,627 --> 01:01:56,467
Speaker 23: I'm sorry about the last sexter, but mine's ANOTHERA Barrett.

1242
01:01:56,067 --> 01:01:58,067
Speaker 14: One first of Waller to Barrett one.

1243
01:01:58,587 --> 01:01:59,627
Speaker 16: I totally agree with.

1244
01:01:59,547 --> 01:02:02,787
Speaker 23: Mister Barrett on what he just said there before bringing

1245
01:02:02,787 --> 01:02:03,907
Speaker 23: the players back to.

1246
01:02:04,627 --> 01:02:06,027
Speaker 17: Their roots of rugby.

1247
01:02:07,547 --> 01:02:09,987
Speaker 23: I don't think that'd be allowed to play with Super

1248
01:02:10,027 --> 01:02:13,307
Speaker 23: Rugby and Test matches because of injury problems, Like it

1249
01:02:13,507 --> 01:02:15,827
Speaker 23: wouldn't take much to pull a hamstring or do an

1250
01:02:15,867 --> 01:02:17,067
Speaker 23: rklles or.

1251
01:02:17,307 --> 01:02:20,547
Speaker 16: Get an hia, but to be there the.

1252
01:02:20,587 --> 01:02:24,747
Speaker 23: Sign balls, sign jumpers, to sign whatever for the young players.

1253
01:02:24,787 --> 01:02:28,387
Speaker 12: I think that would be a great inspiration on the

1254
01:02:28,427 --> 01:02:33,307
Speaker 12: box kick. What's happened to the days when the grubber

1255
01:02:33,387 --> 01:02:34,067
Speaker 12: kick came in?

1256
01:02:34,147 --> 01:02:35,507
Speaker 21: But the more can come from the half.

1257
01:02:35,307 --> 01:02:37,107
Speaker 8: Back of the first five or second five. Put the

1258
01:02:37,107 --> 01:02:37,827
Speaker 8: grubber kick in.

1259
01:02:38,427 --> 01:02:40,867
Speaker 23: We've got more chance with the opposition knocking the ball

1260
01:02:40,907 --> 01:02:42,507
Speaker 23: on with a grubber kick than you have with a

1261
01:02:42,507 --> 01:02:43,747
Speaker 23: box kick, Is that right?

1262
01:02:43,987 --> 01:02:44,147
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1263
01:02:44,187 --> 01:02:47,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But I guess the counterpoint is it's impossible

1264
01:02:47,307 --> 01:02:48,627
Speaker 2: to contest a grubber kick.

1265
01:02:49,867 --> 01:02:55,067
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, how long's that kick ready been in?

1266
01:02:55,147 --> 01:02:55,387
Speaker 16: Jase?

1267
01:02:55,947 --> 01:02:59,667
Speaker 2: Look, I remember the grubber kick being of a tactic

1268
01:02:59,787 --> 01:03:03,467
Speaker 2: often used by like a first five to just take

1269
01:03:03,507 --> 01:03:06,827
Speaker 2: advantage of that space and behind the fence that was

1270
01:03:06,907 --> 01:03:08,667
Speaker 2: rushing up. Yeah, like it was used quite a bit.

1271
01:03:08,747 --> 01:03:10,387
Speaker 2: Now it seems to have gone out of fashion. The

1272
01:03:11,107 --> 01:03:13,707
Speaker 2: old grubber kick and replaced by what seems to be

1273
01:03:13,747 --> 01:03:15,707
Speaker 2: more and more box kicking these days, and.

1274
01:03:15,747 --> 01:03:19,107
Speaker 16: Before the field goal has gone out out of service

1275
01:03:19,147 --> 01:03:20,947
Speaker 16: to Hannott the drop kick.

1276
01:03:21,067 --> 01:03:22,947
Speaker 2: Well did you see Marcus Smith? I went up last

1277
01:03:22,987 --> 01:03:31,787
Speaker 2: night market he got booed. So I just thought me

1278
01:03:31,787 --> 01:03:34,987
Speaker 2: and Andy were talking about that before even the act

1279
01:03:35,027 --> 01:03:37,347
Speaker 2: of taking a drop goal. But then you look over

1280
01:03:37,387 --> 01:03:40,067
Speaker 2: in South Africa and the Irish first five. Sorry, the

1281
01:03:40,067 --> 01:03:44,107
Speaker 2: Irish replacement has some landed two drop goals to win

1282
01:03:44,107 --> 01:03:46,667
Speaker 2: them that game. Good to chet to you mate. All right,

1283
01:03:46,667 --> 01:03:49,387
Speaker 2: here we go. James's pone on my ref. Advantage has

1284
01:03:49,427 --> 01:03:54,467
Speaker 2: to be gained either territorially or tactically. After Bowden's knock

1285
01:03:54,507 --> 01:03:56,547
Speaker 2: on the English kicked the ball back down the field

1286
01:03:56,587 --> 01:04:01,187
Speaker 2: and gained a territorial advantage, therefore advantages over top stuff.

1287
01:04:01,267 --> 01:04:04,267
Speaker 2: James exactly what was after very well explained. Thank you,

1288
01:04:04,347 --> 01:04:08,347
Speaker 2: hi Steven, game, Thanks Steve good.

1289
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Speaker 24: Yeah, I agree with you entirely. I felt the same

1290
01:04:11,267 --> 01:04:13,427
Speaker 24: way to just ten or fifteen minutes and second half.

1291
01:04:13,427 --> 01:04:16,467
Speaker 24: I thought that the English ran up there and I

1292
01:04:16,627 --> 01:04:18,907
Speaker 24: certainly didn't feel confident about winning. But the other thing,

1293
01:04:19,387 --> 01:04:21,387
Speaker 24: just one thing, I'm really interested to see us and

1294
01:04:21,427 --> 01:04:24,587
Speaker 24: I'm sure robinsonitess sort it out. There's two ways of

1295
01:04:24,747 --> 01:04:27,067
Speaker 24: using the kick, as you've just mentioned, one is around

1296
01:04:27,147 --> 01:04:31,107
Speaker 24: territory and one is around is around getting an advantage,

1297
01:04:31,107 --> 01:04:33,467
Speaker 24: And to me, I think I've ever said that comment

1298
01:04:33,547 --> 01:04:36,667
Speaker 24: before about Matt Merton is spot on. I mean, you'd

1299
01:04:36,707 --> 01:04:40,067
Speaker 24: better have to put those kicks high and basically more

1300
01:04:40,107 --> 01:04:42,987
Speaker 24: shallow and be in a position to contest them. And

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01:04:43,027 --> 01:04:45,347
Speaker 24: they hope, like how the opposition knock it on than

1302
01:04:45,387 --> 01:04:47,627
Speaker 24: you are to put in another twenty meters and you

1303
01:04:47,667 --> 01:04:50,347
Speaker 24: can't contest it, and there's more time, and I just

1304
01:04:50,347 --> 01:04:52,547
Speaker 24: think they haven't quite got their kicking game. To me,

1305
01:04:52,667 --> 01:04:55,867
Speaker 24: they seem to be apart from saying, hey listen, we've

1306
01:04:55,867 --> 01:04:57,227
Speaker 24: got to get down the other end to play the

1307
01:04:57,227 --> 01:04:57,867
Speaker 24: game down there.

1308
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Speaker 17: Which makes sense.

1309
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Speaker 24: I couldn't see any other technical reason behind the kicking,

1310
01:05:01,867 --> 01:05:03,067
Speaker 24: and I think there's some work.

1311
01:05:02,947 --> 01:05:03,467
Speaker 19: To be done on that.

1312
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, I totally agree and I can. I I

1313
01:05:06,907 --> 01:05:10,027
Speaker 2: contrasted with the England box kicking, which I thought was

1314
01:05:10,147 --> 01:05:12,787
Speaker 2: very good. It was a lot shallower. You know, the

1315
01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:15,027
Speaker 2: height you've still got to you then, I guess got

1316
01:05:15,027 --> 01:05:17,147
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more careful as you're the

1317
01:05:17,227 --> 01:05:20,187
Speaker 2: chaser that you don't collect a guy going to catch

1318
01:05:20,187 --> 01:05:22,747
Speaker 2: it in the air. But that's you know, that's a

1319
01:05:22,787 --> 01:05:25,627
Speaker 2: skill in itself. But yeah, there were a number last

1320
01:05:25,707 --> 01:05:27,907
Speaker 2: night that I left me scratching my head thinking, well,

1321
01:05:28,227 --> 01:05:31,667
Speaker 2: there's no contestability here, so we are just giving the

1322
01:05:31,667 --> 01:05:32,187
Speaker 2: ball back.

1323
01:05:33,507 --> 01:05:39,027
Speaker 24: But isn't it wonderful? That's very very easy to fix. Yeah, yeah,

1324
01:05:39,067 --> 01:05:40,347
Speaker 24: I mean what I want to do as well. I

1325
01:05:40,427 --> 01:05:42,427
Speaker 24: change a half beg for a stat I just don't break.

1326
01:05:43,387 --> 01:05:45,787
Speaker 24: I just I just his kicking game.

1327
01:05:46,507 --> 01:05:47,267
Speaker 7: And there's.

1328
01:05:48,707 --> 01:05:50,507
Speaker 24: Clarity around the right to the left of it to

1329
01:05:50,547 --> 01:05:52,427
Speaker 24: be design. Last night and a couple of times here

1330
01:05:52,427 --> 01:05:53,987
Speaker 24: he went one way and he went the other way,

1331
01:05:54,027 --> 01:05:56,827
Speaker 24: and he said, a guy up really badly in one

1332
01:05:56,907 --> 01:05:58,467
Speaker 24: case here as soon as the going up to bully

1333
01:05:58,507 --> 01:06:01,067
Speaker 24: go Hammett. And I just think we need a bit

1334
01:06:01,107 --> 01:06:03,707
Speaker 24: more Christmas around the half half here. And that comes

1335
01:06:03,707 --> 01:06:04,707
Speaker 24: back the kicking as well.

1336
01:06:05,027 --> 01:06:07,907
Speaker 2: How did you how did you joined Cortez off the

1337
01:06:07,907 --> 01:06:09,427
Speaker 2: bench I made.

1338
01:06:09,467 --> 01:06:11,067
Speaker 24: I said to my wife, you're sitting there watching it

1339
01:06:11,067 --> 01:06:13,667
Speaker 24: for the first time in ages, and and I said

1340
01:06:13,667 --> 01:06:15,387
Speaker 24: to Gee, that guy has made a difference. He just

1341
01:06:15,387 --> 01:06:18,067
Speaker 24: seemed to be very secure in what he was doing.

1342
01:06:18,547 --> 01:06:22,867
Speaker 24: He was very quick. Yeah, I thought he was outstanding

1343
01:06:22,867 --> 01:06:25,147
Speaker 24: this display with him and em and Barrett coming on,

1344
01:06:25,187 --> 01:06:26,467
Speaker 24: I think they made it out of a difference.

1345
01:06:26,547 --> 01:06:29,507
Speaker 2: Yep, totally agree, Steve, got on your mate, Thanks for calling. Yeah,

1346
01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:31,587
Speaker 2: I think, as I said before, the roy Gard lattima

1347
01:06:31,867 --> 01:06:33,747
Speaker 2: one two punch might be something we see a lot

1348
01:06:33,787 --> 01:06:37,067
Speaker 2: of in years to come. Highly contestable position for Lake Christy,

1349
01:06:37,147 --> 01:06:39,627
Speaker 2: T J. Pett Andata Noah Hopam has been called in

1350
01:06:40,027 --> 01:06:42,987
Speaker 2: I haven't ever mentioned for Fokatava. So yeah, I go

1351
01:06:43,067 --> 01:06:45,347
Speaker 2: for the wiper's kick to the corner and contest the

1352
01:06:45,347 --> 01:06:47,867
Speaker 2: heck out of the lineout, says this text. I'm not

1353
01:06:47,907 --> 01:06:50,147
Speaker 2: sure that would have been the wisest thing to do

1354
01:06:50,267 --> 01:06:53,707
Speaker 2: last night. Hello Murray, Hey, Yeah.

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Speaker 25: I was listening last night, and I think the whole

1356
01:06:55,587 --> 01:06:57,027
Speaker 25: country went through a bad quarter.

1357
01:06:58,667 --> 01:06:59,347
Speaker 2: I agree.

1358
01:07:00,347 --> 01:07:03,107
Speaker 25: Frank Botz wasn't a believer, you know. I'll get that

1359
01:07:03,227 --> 01:07:05,827
Speaker 25: to that in a minute. But yes, some woel definitely

1360
01:07:05,827 --> 01:07:07,867
Speaker 25: had to buy it touched last night, and I think

1361
01:07:07,987 --> 01:07:13,787
Speaker 25: that we can celebrate that this weekend. My Facebook post

1362
01:07:13,827 --> 01:07:17,147
Speaker 25: after the final score the final whistle was all Barrett's

1363
01:07:17,347 --> 01:07:17,907
Speaker 25: twenty four.

1364
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Speaker 2: Yes, you're conveniently forgetting that. Damian McKenzie kicked a few penalties.

1365
01:07:23,187 --> 01:07:25,507
Speaker 2: But I get your point, Murray totally.

1366
01:07:25,667 --> 01:07:27,787
Speaker 25: And I was I was missing it on the radio

1367
01:07:27,787 --> 01:07:30,427
Speaker 25: and freak Bunds came through during their bad quarter in

1368
01:07:30,467 --> 01:07:31,907
Speaker 25: the second half of this is this is going to

1369
01:07:31,987 --> 01:07:38,027
Speaker 25: take individual? And who stepped up just almost immediately after

1370
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Speaker 25: he did that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good last night, Frank. I think that's

1372
01:07:42,467 --> 01:07:45,027
Speaker 2: the first time he's done radio commentary, certainly with us.

1373
01:07:45,107 --> 01:07:45,747
Speaker 13: I thought he was.

1374
01:07:45,787 --> 01:07:47,907
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed working with him.

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01:07:48,227 --> 01:07:51,307
Speaker 25: Yeah, well he now that he nowed that stuff, didn't.

1376
01:07:51,027 --> 01:07:53,627
Speaker 2: He he didn't do he didn't do. Yeah, now the

1377
01:07:53,667 --> 01:07:56,707
Speaker 2: All Barretts twenty four England seventeen. I don't mind it,

1378
01:07:57,187 --> 01:07:59,107
Speaker 2: don't mind it at all, Murray. Thanks for your call, mate.

1379
01:08:00,027 --> 01:08:03,507
Speaker 2: Pinney says this text might be of interested to MMA fans.

1380
01:08:03,547 --> 01:08:08,387
Speaker 2: Craig Jones, Alex of Volkanovski's gapling coach, is running a

1381
01:08:08,507 --> 01:08:11,707
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu tournament in Vegas and mid August with a

1382
01:08:11,787 --> 01:08:14,947
Speaker 2: million US dollars prize money. It's looking to be the

1383
01:08:14,987 --> 01:08:18,907
Speaker 2: most entertaining jiu jitsu tournaments in a long time. It'll

1384
01:08:18,947 --> 01:08:21,747
Speaker 2: be streamed on YouTube, so it might be a good

1385
01:08:21,787 --> 01:08:25,867
Speaker 2: weekend for a lesser known sport. Good to know. Write

1386
01:08:25,867 --> 01:08:29,027
Speaker 2: that down, Andy, the jiu Jitsu tournament in Vegas and

1387
01:08:29,067 --> 01:08:32,547
Speaker 2: mid August, maybe we could petition for a live broadcast

1388
01:08:33,147 --> 01:08:36,267
Speaker 2: from Vegas for the grappling competition. We could even enter you, Andy,

1389
01:08:36,347 --> 01:08:39,187
Speaker 2: do we have that budget? Me fighting? Are you sure

1390
01:08:39,507 --> 01:08:43,267
Speaker 2: it's only grappling? Oh, grappling? Okay, yeah, If that's what

1391
01:08:43,347 --> 01:08:45,947
Speaker 2: it takes to get us to Vegas, I'll happily sacrifice

1392
01:08:45,987 --> 01:08:49,627
Speaker 2: myself for that. But no, thank you, all right. Good

1393
01:08:49,667 --> 01:08:51,427
Speaker 2: to have you with us, Andy, and good to have

1394
01:08:51,467 --> 01:08:53,187
Speaker 2: you with us too. We'll take a break when we

1395
01:08:53,267 --> 01:08:55,267
Speaker 2: come back. James mccony in studio with us.

1396
01:08:56,667 --> 01:08:57,707
Speaker 7: You be the TMO.

1397
01:08:57,987 --> 01:09:00,387
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1398
01:09:00,547 --> 01:09:03,427
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pain and GJ.

1399
01:09:03,627 --> 01:09:06,107
Speaker 7: Guvnerhomes New Zealand's most trust in home.

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01:09:06,027 --> 01:09:10,587
Speaker 2: Builder, New nineteen to two, broadcasting from the Auckland Studio today.

1401
01:09:10,627 --> 01:09:13,267
Speaker 2: Normally I'm in Wellington, but part of the attraction of

1402
01:09:13,347 --> 01:09:16,107
Speaker 2: coming to Auckland an all blacks tests. But James mcconey

1403
01:09:16,187 --> 01:09:18,507
Speaker 2: face to face, I think Trump's it. Oh you think that?

1404
01:09:18,867 --> 01:09:19,027
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1405
01:09:19,107 --> 01:09:20,507
Speaker 2: And speaking of Trump, actually here.

1406
01:09:20,387 --> 01:09:22,587
Speaker 3: We should mention that we should probably mention that.

1407
01:09:23,147 --> 01:09:25,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just on that the assassination attempt on former

1408
01:09:25,987 --> 01:09:28,907
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump this afternoon, the latest in our news

1409
01:09:29,267 --> 01:09:30,907
Speaker 2: at two. It's great to see you, mate, What did

1410
01:09:30,947 --> 01:09:31,747
Speaker 2: you make of last night?

1411
01:09:32,387 --> 01:09:36,067
Speaker 3: Well, last night, let's be honest, Boden saved us and

1412
01:09:36,187 --> 01:09:38,027
Speaker 3: I think you and your callers have said as much.

1413
01:09:38,187 --> 01:09:40,747
Speaker 2: Right. And the other thing is that did he just.

1414
01:09:40,747 --> 01:09:42,507
Speaker 3: Come up with a really good name for a segment

1415
01:09:42,547 --> 01:09:45,027
Speaker 3: on your show? He's talked about Time on the Pine.

1416
01:09:45,107 --> 01:09:47,187
Speaker 2: Yes, I heard that. Actually I only picked it up

1417
01:09:47,227 --> 01:09:49,707
Speaker 2: later when I listened back Time on the Pine, Time

1418
01:09:49,747 --> 01:09:50,227
Speaker 2: on the Pine?

1419
01:09:50,467 --> 01:09:54,267
Speaker 3: Can we make it a segment? I thought? Boden showed

1420
01:09:54,547 --> 01:09:56,507
Speaker 3: just how great at rugby he is. Here's the World

1421
01:09:56,547 --> 01:09:59,547
Speaker 3: Rugby Player of the Year twice in a row. So

1422
01:10:00,427 --> 01:10:02,227
Speaker 3: if you if you break down what he's done in

1423
01:10:02,307 --> 01:10:05,267
Speaker 3: his career, he's been moved around. I feel like he

1424
01:10:05,267 --> 01:10:07,227
Speaker 3: should have been given an opportunit just to wear the

1425
01:10:07,347 --> 01:10:10,227
Speaker 3: number ten jersey, a bit like Stephen Larkham a non

1426
01:10:10,347 --> 01:10:13,307
Speaker 3: goal kicking first five. Why didn't we just say, hey,

1427
01:10:13,787 --> 01:10:17,747
Speaker 3: that's where we see you. But look, things have happened.

1428
01:10:17,787 --> 01:10:19,787
Speaker 3: Richie wong A is world class as well, but having

1429
01:10:19,867 --> 01:10:22,547
Speaker 3: him around in the squad means that I think not

1430
01:10:22,707 --> 01:10:25,867
Speaker 3: only is he a legitimate option to perhaps start at fifteen,

1431
01:10:25,947 --> 01:10:26,627
Speaker 3: but also ten.

1432
01:10:27,467 --> 01:10:29,547
Speaker 2: And it's funny, isn't it, because then you think, okay, well,

1433
01:10:29,787 --> 01:10:31,947
Speaker 2: if he provides the impact off the pine as he

1434
01:10:31,987 --> 01:10:35,307
Speaker 2: did last night every night he plays, then that's a

1435
01:10:35,347 --> 01:10:36,787
Speaker 2: great use of him. But that was kind of early.

1436
01:10:36,947 --> 01:10:39,627
Speaker 2: That was Steve Hanson. Boden wasn't it the best impact

1437
01:10:39,667 --> 01:10:41,987
Speaker 2: player in the world. So it's really hard to know

1438
01:10:42,187 --> 01:10:43,627
Speaker 2: is it better to have him with a ten or

1439
01:10:43,667 --> 01:10:46,627
Speaker 2: of fifteen on or is the twenty three the right

1440
01:10:46,707 --> 01:10:47,227
Speaker 2: one for him?

1441
01:10:47,347 --> 01:10:47,547
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1442
01:10:47,587 --> 01:10:50,147
Speaker 3: When you look at impact players around the place, there

1443
01:10:50,187 --> 01:10:52,467
Speaker 3: are some who have been world class, like Connor Murray

1444
01:10:52,547 --> 01:10:55,467
Speaker 3: for Ireland. So there are coaches who aren't shy or

1445
01:10:55,587 --> 01:10:58,147
Speaker 3: moving a legend, I guess if you like, onto the bench.

1446
01:10:58,627 --> 01:11:03,107
Speaker 3: But we even saw that happen in football, right Gresman started. Yes,

1447
01:11:03,387 --> 01:11:05,587
Speaker 3: it was on the bench for France the other week.

1448
01:11:05,667 --> 01:11:08,267
Speaker 3: And I think more coaches are starting to realize that

1449
01:11:08,467 --> 01:11:12,307
Speaker 3: final quarter is so crucial. If the way Boden turned

1450
01:11:12,347 --> 01:11:14,947
Speaker 3: the game, there's some Freakis skill there. The only thing

1451
01:11:14,987 --> 01:11:17,947
Speaker 3: he did wrong was overcooked slightly by four centimeters a

1452
01:11:17,987 --> 01:11:21,507
Speaker 3: cross kick that could have resulted in a try and

1453
01:11:21,667 --> 01:11:25,387
Speaker 3: then but seeing that impact though that the all Blacks

1454
01:11:25,427 --> 01:11:28,707
Speaker 3: needed to rely on. That does highlight that really this

1455
01:11:28,907 --> 01:11:30,907
Speaker 3: test was there for England to take and perhaps they

1456
01:11:30,947 --> 01:11:31,267
Speaker 3: blew it.

1457
01:11:31,827 --> 01:11:33,667
Speaker 2: I agree Cortes Rootima.

1458
01:11:33,707 --> 01:11:37,027
Speaker 3: I liked him, Yes, agreed Cortez, so happy for him

1459
01:11:37,067 --> 01:11:39,627
Speaker 3: to come on as snappy, really good half back play,

1460
01:11:40,947 --> 01:11:45,827
Speaker 3: direct and just decisive. Shades of Aaron Smith about the

1461
01:11:45,867 --> 01:11:48,827
Speaker 3: way he sort of goes about his business, a little

1462
01:11:48,827 --> 01:11:51,627
Speaker 3: bit combative as well. So I thought Cortez was great.

1463
01:11:53,147 --> 01:11:56,387
Speaker 3: There were other good players who sort of all chipped in.

1464
01:11:56,907 --> 01:11:59,027
Speaker 3: But I guess the big worry is the line out

1465
01:11:59,147 --> 01:12:01,787
Speaker 3: seems to be a bit of a shambles. R R

1466
01:12:01,867 --> 01:12:04,227
Speaker 3: Locks a bit too heavy to lift all the time.

1467
01:12:04,347 --> 01:12:07,187
Speaker 3: I mean, we haven't got Sam white Lock and Brady

1468
01:12:07,187 --> 01:12:10,107
Speaker 3: Brittallic you just fling in the air like a Bulgarian

1469
01:12:10,227 --> 01:12:11,147
Speaker 3: circus troop.

1470
01:12:11,387 --> 01:12:11,547
Speaker 13: You know.

1471
01:12:11,787 --> 01:12:14,667
Speaker 2: But they're bigger men, aren't they than Scott Barrett and

1472
01:12:14,707 --> 01:12:16,107
Speaker 2: Patrick Twey pilot to not.

1473
01:12:16,227 --> 01:12:19,307
Speaker 3: As heavy as I mean, Look they lifted Artie. Look

1474
01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:22,587
Speaker 3: this is Artie Savier is about six foot one, just

1475
01:12:22,827 --> 01:12:27,627
Speaker 3: maybe one hundred kilos perhaps ringing wet and he was

1476
01:12:27,787 --> 01:12:30,347
Speaker 3: looked like a pretty good lineout option and probably was

1477
01:12:30,427 --> 01:12:33,147
Speaker 3: our best ball carry of the day. Really just went

1478
01:12:33,227 --> 01:12:35,627
Speaker 3: and went went classic Artie. But that's where I was

1479
01:12:35,667 --> 01:12:38,747
Speaker 3: looking at, going where are the ball carriers? Where where's

1480
01:12:38,947 --> 01:12:41,147
Speaker 3: the safety, the security and the line out. There's a

1481
01:12:41,187 --> 01:12:44,787
Speaker 3: lot to work on and I think Jason Ryan in

1482
01:12:44,827 --> 01:12:46,147
Speaker 3: particular will have his hands full.

1483
01:12:46,267 --> 01:12:49,667
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, all Blacks fig next Saturday tomorrow morning,

1484
01:12:49,707 --> 01:12:52,427
Speaker 2: seven o'clock New Zealand time final of Euro twenty twenty four.

1485
01:12:52,507 --> 01:12:55,307
Speaker 2: England against all expectation up against Spain. What happens here,

1486
01:12:57,187 --> 01:12:59,187
Speaker 2: England will just be running around after them.

1487
01:12:59,267 --> 01:13:01,387
Speaker 3: It's like that game of scrag where you know, the

1488
01:13:02,747 --> 01:13:04,827
Speaker 3: let's just say that the standard four kids let the

1489
01:13:04,907 --> 01:13:06,907
Speaker 3: juniors sort of come along and play, you know, and

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Speaker 3: they just sort of hold them at bay and they're

1491
01:13:10,787 --> 01:13:13,347
Speaker 3: running this sort of the playground because really Spain are

1492
01:13:13,827 --> 01:13:16,187
Speaker 3: a level above. But for years Spain have been what

1493
01:13:16,307 --> 01:13:19,587
Speaker 3: I described as beautiful but bland, and now that's changed.

1494
01:13:19,627 --> 01:13:22,347
Speaker 3: So they've got the sixteen year old playing who you

1495
01:13:22,427 --> 01:13:26,987
Speaker 3: can probably tell us about as well, Yamal Yes, so

1496
01:13:27,187 --> 01:13:30,227
Speaker 3: he's sixteen and starting for them as well. Isn't he.

1497
01:13:30,307 --> 01:13:30,867
Speaker 13: I think he is.

1498
01:13:31,067 --> 01:13:32,787
Speaker 2: I think, in fact, I think today might be his

1499
01:13:32,907 --> 01:13:36,547
Speaker 2: seventeenth birthday. So yeah, but even but I mean, that

1500
01:13:36,627 --> 01:13:38,547
Speaker 2: doesn't make him a veteran, does it. But like I

1501
01:13:38,627 --> 01:13:41,547
Speaker 2: think of my son as sixteen, yeah, and I mean,

1502
01:13:41,667 --> 01:13:44,067
Speaker 2: with no disrespect to him, I can't see him starting

1503
01:13:44,147 --> 01:13:46,027
Speaker 2: for Spain. You're not Spanish for starters.

1504
01:13:46,227 --> 01:13:48,507
Speaker 3: This is disrespect to your son, because what are you doing?

1505
01:13:49,547 --> 01:13:52,307
Speaker 3: There's a sixteen year old starting for Spain. But also

1506
01:13:52,667 --> 01:13:55,947
Speaker 3: they've got Nico Williams, this exciting winger who plays for

1507
01:13:56,027 --> 01:13:58,027
Speaker 3: Athletico bill Bao I think, which is not even one

1508
01:13:58,067 --> 01:14:00,867
Speaker 3: of the big clubs, pretty big, but he's come along

1509
01:14:00,947 --> 01:14:03,587
Speaker 3: and given them a bit more direction as well. Suddenly

1510
01:14:03,667 --> 01:14:07,587
Speaker 3: Spain looks so dangerous. I can't see England winning it

1511
01:14:07,707 --> 01:14:12,147
Speaker 3: in regulation, although look, stranger things have happened. The one

1512
01:14:12,187 --> 01:14:14,467
Speaker 3: thing that I look at though, and you say, okay,

1513
01:14:14,507 --> 01:14:18,107
Speaker 3: you've got rodri who's just one of a genius holding midfielder,

1514
01:14:18,307 --> 01:14:21,027
Speaker 3: like Spain have always had these guys like Bisquits and

1515
01:14:22,067 --> 01:14:26,147
Speaker 3: Shabby Alonso wasn't too shabby, And then now he's up

1516
01:14:26,187 --> 01:14:30,107
Speaker 3: against Declan Rice and it just doesn't seem like a

1517
01:14:30,187 --> 01:14:30,667
Speaker 3: fair fight.

1518
01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:32,867
Speaker 2: I wonder that though, you know, I look at decland

1519
01:14:32,907 --> 01:14:34,667
Speaker 2: Rice and I wonder whether he might just be the

1520
01:14:34,747 --> 01:14:37,347
Speaker 2: kind of guy who will just get into Rodery's air

1521
01:14:37,427 --> 01:14:39,907
Speaker 2: and give him a couple of elbows and find a

1522
01:14:39,947 --> 01:14:42,707
Speaker 2: way because it just feels so odd, it doesn't it,

1523
01:14:42,747 --> 01:14:44,787
Speaker 2: particularly given the way England played early in this tournament.

1524
01:14:44,827 --> 01:14:48,027
Speaker 2: You know that they're in the final. It's if you

1525
01:14:48,107 --> 01:14:50,187
Speaker 2: crystallize it down to one game. This could be a

1526
01:14:50,267 --> 01:14:52,227
Speaker 2: tournament that England wins in the ninety fourth minute off

1527
01:14:52,267 --> 01:14:53,227
Speaker 2: their backside totally.

1528
01:14:53,347 --> 01:14:55,987
Speaker 3: And look, Jude Bellingham is going to be an all

1529
01:14:56,067 --> 01:14:59,347
Speaker 3: time great. He's in the midfield for England. It showed

1530
01:14:59,867 --> 01:15:03,067
Speaker 3: really that Gareth Southgate is a little bit sort of

1531
01:15:03,147 --> 01:15:05,667
Speaker 3: just feeling as way I always say that that he's

1532
01:15:05,707 --> 01:15:08,507
Speaker 3: missed McGoo his way through this tournament. Nothing's really worked

1533
01:15:08,507 --> 01:15:12,187
Speaker 3: and then suddenly chucks on Olie Watkins and he scores

1534
01:15:12,187 --> 01:15:16,507
Speaker 3: a goal, the villa striker. So really, I think it'll

1535
01:15:16,667 --> 01:15:18,667
Speaker 3: probably come down to the subs bench for England if

1536
01:15:18,707 --> 01:15:21,107
Speaker 3: they can, because you're never quite sure who's going to

1537
01:15:21,147 --> 01:15:24,387
Speaker 3: fire for them. And to be honest, if Foden has

1538
01:15:24,627 --> 01:15:27,267
Speaker 3: the game of his life, he could end it for England.

1539
01:15:27,387 --> 01:15:31,187
Speaker 3: So there's enough talent there. It's exciting. Yeah, seven am,

1540
01:15:31,227 --> 01:15:32,747
Speaker 3: I'll be up, and so will you, Pony.

1541
01:15:32,627 --> 01:15:35,307
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will be. Wimbledon's all done and dusted for

1542
01:15:35,427 --> 01:15:37,147
Speaker 2: I know, almost all done and dusted for another year.

1543
01:15:37,147 --> 01:15:39,707
Speaker 2: The men singles final to come. Do you like Wimbledon

1544
01:15:39,747 --> 01:15:42,147
Speaker 2: amongst all the majors, the grass, the strawberries and cream,

1545
01:15:42,187 --> 01:15:43,027
Speaker 2: that the tradition.

1546
01:15:43,347 --> 01:15:45,427
Speaker 3: I remember the tradition. My dad would wake me up

1547
01:15:45,467 --> 01:15:48,667
Speaker 3: and would watch Wimberlin and I was loved beyond Borg,

1548
01:15:49,027 --> 01:15:52,787
Speaker 3: Martina and Evertulova, Helena Sikovic and tears. I think when

1549
01:15:52,827 --> 01:15:55,667
Speaker 3: I was younger, I can't remember. Anyway, Look, there's so

1550
01:15:55,867 --> 01:15:58,427
Speaker 3: much drama, pomp and ceremony. Then you realize that it's

1551
01:15:58,467 --> 01:16:00,827
Speaker 3: a little bit a little bit full of themselves with

1552
01:16:00,947 --> 01:16:03,427
Speaker 3: royals prancing around and all that sort of thing. But hey,

1553
01:16:03,907 --> 01:16:06,307
Speaker 3: it adds to it. Cliff Richard singing in the rain delay.

1554
01:16:07,027 --> 01:16:10,347
Speaker 3: But the best thing now is okay, the women's final

1555
01:16:10,427 --> 01:16:14,147
Speaker 3: has been decided and crazy COVID fair play. She was

1556
01:16:14,227 --> 01:16:16,707
Speaker 3: really good. Lulu soon could have almost he got there

1557
01:16:16,747 --> 01:16:20,627
Speaker 3: to the final and from New Zealand, from Tiana, shout

1558
01:16:20,667 --> 01:16:23,667
Speaker 3: out down South. But this is really big. Al KaAZ

1559
01:16:23,827 --> 01:16:27,107
Speaker 3: against Djokovic. This will decide whether the torch is being

1560
01:16:27,187 --> 01:16:29,627
Speaker 3: passed or the baton, because you know, al Karaz is

1561
01:16:29,667 --> 01:16:32,427
Speaker 3: the defending champ, but Jokovic has won plenty there, so

1562
01:16:33,187 --> 01:16:34,507
Speaker 3: it's a must watch as well.

1563
01:16:34,907 --> 01:16:38,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's not a lot of time to sleep

1564
01:16:38,347 --> 01:16:40,387
Speaker 2: at the moment, is there? Even after last nights all

1565
01:16:40,387 --> 01:16:42,147
Speaker 2: Blacks tests, there was Wallabies Wiles, then I kind of

1566
01:16:42,147 --> 01:16:45,027
Speaker 2: pushed through to South Africa Island and there's all sorts

1567
01:16:45,027 --> 01:16:47,107
Speaker 2: of other things to watch and in amongst all of

1568
01:16:47,187 --> 01:16:49,587
Speaker 2: that coming up over the next month or so, we've

1569
01:16:49,587 --> 01:16:52,427
Speaker 2: got the Olympics in Paris. Yes, I mean, I'm not

1570
01:16:52,467 --> 01:16:54,147
Speaker 2: going to get any sleep, but you're going to be there.

1571
01:16:54,547 --> 01:16:55,187
Speaker 2: I will be there.

1572
01:16:55,227 --> 01:16:58,347
Speaker 3: I will be filing for you, pony, dutifully from the

1573
01:16:58,627 --> 01:17:02,347
Speaker 3: banks of the very smelly river Senne, which is apparently

1574
01:17:02,387 --> 01:17:04,667
Speaker 3: full of a human extraiment. But I've heard that our

1575
01:17:04,747 --> 01:17:11,707
Speaker 3: triathletes have vowed to were on undeterred. Sorry, mate, we

1576
01:17:11,787 --> 01:17:13,667
Speaker 3: probably should go to a break there. But the thing is,

1577
01:17:13,707 --> 01:17:15,347
Speaker 3: what I will say is I don't want to talk

1578
01:17:15,387 --> 01:17:18,067
Speaker 3: about the the Poohs and the Seine. I did want

1579
01:17:18,067 --> 01:17:21,867
Speaker 3: to talk about maybe Middless. He didn't think it'll be

1580
01:17:21,947 --> 01:17:23,827
Speaker 3: a few surprise middleists, and I think they're going to

1581
01:17:23,867 --> 01:17:27,547
Speaker 3: come in the pool and in track and field, so

1582
01:17:27,787 --> 01:17:30,747
Speaker 3: look out for Obviously we've got Erica Fairweather and Lewis

1583
01:17:30,787 --> 01:17:33,667
Speaker 3: Claibert who were thinking, yeah they nailed on meddleists, but

1584
01:17:33,827 --> 01:17:36,547
Speaker 3: look out for Hazel our hand one hundred meters butterfly

1585
01:17:36,747 --> 01:17:41,387
Speaker 3: six foot two. She's from Tao Mutu represent she could surprise.

1586
01:17:41,547 --> 01:17:44,627
Speaker 3: And I think Tory Peters and the javelin is a

1587
01:17:44,787 --> 01:17:47,587
Speaker 3: chance as well to meddle. In our athletics team, I

1588
01:17:47,707 --> 01:17:49,867
Speaker 3: don't think i've seen it this strong. Look, we don't

1589
01:17:49,907 --> 01:17:51,987
Speaker 3: have a Dame Vale who you say, yes that's she's

1590
01:17:52,027 --> 01:17:56,147
Speaker 3: gonna she's gonna win 'or go close. But I can't see.

1591
01:17:56,787 --> 01:17:59,667
Speaker 3: I've never seen this this many metal hopes and our

1592
01:18:00,027 --> 01:18:00,907
Speaker 3: athletics team.

1593
01:18:00,787 --> 01:18:01,427
Speaker 7: I totally agree.

1594
01:18:01,427 --> 01:18:03,707
Speaker 2: Even James Preston right just broke the eight hundred meter

1595
01:18:03,947 --> 01:18:08,267
Speaker 2: record national record. That that so Peter snellhead for ever

1596
01:18:08,787 --> 01:18:11,787
Speaker 2: he's I mean, even Sam Tanner, you know, I know

1597
01:18:11,867 --> 01:18:14,947
Speaker 2: the fifteen hundred meters as a stacked field. Sam Tanner,

1598
01:18:14,987 --> 01:18:16,547
Speaker 2: you know he's got to be a chance. And then

1599
01:18:16,827 --> 01:18:19,827
Speaker 2: Hamish Kurg just jumped two thirty three and the Diamond

1600
01:18:19,907 --> 01:18:22,147
Speaker 2: League in Monaco in the last couple of days. He's

1601
01:18:22,187 --> 01:18:23,587
Speaker 2: got to be a chance of the high jump. There's

1602
01:18:23,587 --> 01:18:28,987
Speaker 2: all these got to be in there, beamish exactlyact and so.

1603
01:18:29,107 --> 01:18:31,507
Speaker 3: He's going to run the steeple chase and that's going

1604
01:18:31,547 --> 01:18:34,267
Speaker 3: to be fascinating to see how he goes there. Zoey

1605
01:18:34,307 --> 01:18:38,707
Speaker 3: Hobbs obviously, Tom Walsh and Jack O'Gill yep, both metal chances.

1606
01:18:38,787 --> 01:18:41,947
Speaker 3: Really we've got three pole vaulters led by Eliza McCartney.

1607
01:18:42,347 --> 01:18:45,067
Speaker 3: This is an incredible team. So and it's great because

1608
01:18:45,107 --> 01:18:48,027
Speaker 3: it's still the main event really, although that and break dancing.

1609
01:18:47,867 --> 01:18:52,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, breakdown and speed climbing as well. Julian David our

1610
01:18:52,187 --> 01:18:55,147
Speaker 2: Mail at the Olympics broke the Oceania record this morning.

1611
01:18:55,387 --> 01:18:57,267
Speaker 2: Hard to commentate the climbing because it's all over in

1612
01:18:57,267 --> 01:18:58,587
Speaker 2: about six seconds.

1613
01:18:58,507 --> 01:19:01,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Reminds me of some events from my teenage years.

1614
01:19:02,027 --> 01:19:04,867
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, very very tough to commentate and you

1615
01:19:04,867 --> 01:19:07,227
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to look. I know, we had a caller

1616
01:19:07,467 --> 01:19:10,707
Speaker 3: who didn't like the acc recently and I'd just like

1617
01:19:10,787 --> 01:19:12,627
Speaker 3: to say I totally agree with him.

1618
01:19:12,667 --> 01:19:13,547
Speaker 2: It is disgraceful.

1619
01:19:13,907 --> 01:19:17,707
Speaker 3: And I should know because I'm part of that commentary

1620
01:19:17,707 --> 01:19:21,627
Speaker 3: group and we will be passing on your concerns and

1621
01:19:22,107 --> 01:19:25,507
Speaker 3: we're not going to walk away from this. Thank you

1622
01:19:25,627 --> 01:19:28,027
Speaker 3: for your feedback and we appreciate it. So yeah, thank you.

1623
01:19:28,307 --> 01:19:32,107
Speaker 3: You walk towards the feedback, yes, absolutely, And I'll tell

1624
01:19:32,107 --> 01:19:35,307
Speaker 3: you one thing, speaking of things walking towards what is

1625
01:19:35,427 --> 01:19:37,547
Speaker 3: England grubber kicking all the time? That was my other

1626
01:19:37,667 --> 01:19:40,827
Speaker 3: note for you, Piney. They only grub a kick if

1627
01:19:40,907 --> 01:19:43,667
Speaker 3: the defense is totally coming towards you, then you know

1628
01:19:43,787 --> 01:19:46,147
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of gap. But if everyone's running

1629
01:19:46,187 --> 01:19:49,067
Speaker 3: towards the grubber kick, like the pump alonner running of

1630
01:19:49,107 --> 01:19:52,427
Speaker 3: the bulls, then it's a stupid kick. And they did

1631
01:19:52,467 --> 01:19:55,107
Speaker 3: about three or four times. And I'm not blaming Marcus

1632
01:19:55,147 --> 01:19:57,187
Speaker 3: Smith because we both like the cut of his jib.

1633
01:19:57,387 --> 01:19:57,587
Speaker 4: We do.

1634
01:19:57,787 --> 01:20:01,147
Speaker 2: We like the cut of Marcus Smith's jib very much. Indeed,

1635
01:20:02,187 --> 01:20:04,787
Speaker 2: I think that's us. I think that's us. Probably a

1636
01:20:04,787 --> 01:20:06,947
Speaker 2: shout ut for Aaron Ratliffe, having made the final of

1637
01:20:06,947 --> 01:20:09,747
Speaker 2: the women's doubles at Wimbledon. She'll team up with lu Lusaun.

1638
01:20:09,787 --> 01:20:11,867
Speaker 2: If we're talking Olympic chances who knows We've got a

1639
01:20:11,867 --> 01:20:14,467
Speaker 2: bronze medal in the men's doubles last time, Aaron rattlerf

1640
01:20:14,547 --> 01:20:16,107
Speaker 2: Lulusawn and the women's doubles this time.

1641
01:20:16,147 --> 01:20:17,587
Speaker 13: Yeah, there are good chants exactly.

1642
01:20:17,747 --> 01:20:18,587
Speaker 2: So this is the whole thing.

1643
01:20:19,187 --> 01:20:21,747
Speaker 3: It's going to be on Sky Wall toward It's going

1644
01:20:21,827 --> 01:20:23,947
Speaker 3: to be on Sky Open, which is the old prime channel.

1645
01:20:24,027 --> 01:20:26,867
Speaker 3: So if you I mean the Olympics, sometimes you think, ah,

1646
01:20:27,067 --> 01:20:29,747
Speaker 3: there's so many distractions, but the Olympics is one time

1647
01:20:29,787 --> 01:20:34,787
Speaker 3: when you almost hibernate watching sport and it's a wonderful thing. Well,

1648
01:20:35,067 --> 01:20:37,587
Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen days of action and then you can go

1649
01:20:37,667 --> 01:20:38,507
Speaker 3: back to your normal life.

1650
01:20:38,627 --> 01:20:40,627
Speaker 2: Indeed, yep, Now get into it and if you can't

1651
01:20:40,667 --> 01:20:42,427
Speaker 2: get the chance to watch it, then listen to it

1652
01:20:42,787 --> 01:20:44,787
Speaker 2: on Gold Sport and News Talks AIRB as well.

1653
01:20:44,827 --> 01:20:47,267
Speaker 3: Great to see you, mate, cheers mate, Yes, forgot about

1654
01:20:47,267 --> 01:20:50,907
Speaker 3: Gold Sport, Yes, and don't forget Sky Okay, goodbyes.

1655
01:20:50,467 --> 01:20:51,387
Speaker 13: Good bye James.

1656
01:20:51,787 --> 01:20:54,747
Speaker 2: James mccony huge part of our Sundays around about this

1657
01:20:54,907 --> 01:20:58,347
Speaker 2: time every Sunday on weekend Sports seven and after two

1658
01:20:58,427 --> 01:21:00,547
Speaker 2: News Talks EB when it's.

1659
01:21:00,507 --> 01:21:04,307
Speaker 7: Down to the line. You made a call on eight

1660
01:21:04,667 --> 01:21:08,027
Speaker 7: weekend Sports with Jason News TALKB.

1661
01:21:07,987 --> 01:21:10,187
Speaker 2: Coming up four to two and I'll use it too.

1662
01:21:10,347 --> 01:21:14,947
Speaker 2: More on the shooting at Donald Trump's Pennsylvanian rally. It's

1663
01:21:14,987 --> 01:21:19,747
Speaker 2: been investigated as an attempted assassination. Donald Trump, the former president,

1664
01:21:19,827 --> 01:21:23,147
Speaker 2: has thanked the Secret Service for their rapid response before

1665
01:21:23,227 --> 01:21:26,547
Speaker 2: the incident. A witness reportedly tried to warn law enforcement

1666
01:21:26,587 --> 01:21:29,507
Speaker 2: when they saw someone nearby with a rifle. More to

1667
01:21:29,587 --> 01:21:32,827
Speaker 2: come in our news at two o'clock after the news.

1668
01:21:32,987 --> 01:21:35,267
Speaker 2: While we just talked about the Olympics with James mcconey,

1669
01:21:35,307 --> 01:21:38,107
Speaker 2: our Road to Paris feature has been actually one of

1670
01:21:38,147 --> 01:21:41,067
Speaker 2: my favorite times of the weekend. We've chatted to well

1671
01:21:41,107 --> 01:21:44,147
Speaker 2: the owners of a number of our Olympic medals, and

1672
01:21:44,547 --> 01:21:47,747
Speaker 2: after two o'clock we're joined in studio by someone who

1673
01:21:47,827 --> 01:21:51,147
Speaker 2: knows all about Olympic Games and winning Olympic medals. She

1674
01:21:51,307 --> 01:21:55,307
Speaker 2: has won plenty, she has been to plenty. Five time Olympian.

1675
01:21:55,827 --> 01:21:59,547
Speaker 2: Dame Valerie Adams is our guest in studio. After two o'clock,

1676
01:21:59,827 --> 01:22:02,147
Speaker 2: we'll also get you inside the Black Ferns camp they're

1677
01:22:02,187 --> 01:22:06,307
Speaker 2: taking on Australia in the second Laurier Riley Test this afternoon.

1678
01:22:06,467 --> 01:22:08,507
Speaker 2: Across the Tasman and then we're off to the UK.

1679
01:22:09,347 --> 01:22:13,107
Speaker 2: Is it coming home? Dom Fifield, football journalist on the

1680
01:22:13,147 --> 01:22:14,587
Speaker 2: Euro Final England b.

1681
01:22:14,707 --> 01:22:14,947
Speaker 13: Spain.

1682
01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:20,827
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1683
01:22:21,627 --> 01:22:26,507
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1684
01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:30,427
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1685
01:22:30,907 --> 01:22:31,827
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1686
01:22:31,627 --> 01:22:31,787
Speaker 10: Ed B.

1687
01:22:33,467 --> 01:22:36,947
Speaker 2: Two seven eleven days until the Olympic Games get underway.

1688
01:22:37,507 --> 01:22:40,907
Speaker 2: There's a couple of events that start even before the

1689
01:22:40,947 --> 01:22:43,707
Speaker 2: opening ceremony, involving our New Zealand sides, rugby seven's and

1690
01:22:43,707 --> 01:22:48,187
Speaker 2: football gold. Sport is your home for live commentary through

1691
01:22:48,227 --> 01:22:50,867
Speaker 2: the night, News Talks, head Beat, official radio partner of

1692
01:22:50,907 --> 01:22:53,387
Speaker 2: the Olympics. We'll keep you right up to date. Very

1693
01:22:53,467 --> 01:22:56,267
Speaker 2: shortly joined in studio by one of the all time

1694
01:22:56,347 --> 01:23:00,387
Speaker 2: great Olympians from our Shaw's, Dame Valerie Adams is here

1695
01:23:00,907 --> 01:23:05,507
Speaker 2: for a chat about her prestigious, storied and at times

1696
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Speaker 2: controversy Olympic career. Not so much her but though she

1697
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Speaker 2: was throwing against how does she reflect on her Olympic career.

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Speaker 2: Dame Valery Adams with us in just a moment The

1699
01:23:16,507 --> 01:23:18,307
Speaker 2: black Ferns, as you heard in our news about to

1700
01:23:18,347 --> 01:23:21,147
Speaker 2: face Australia a couple of hours away from kickoff. Lucy

1701
01:23:21,267 --> 01:23:24,627
Speaker 2: Jenkins out of the Black Ferns camp and we'll get

1702
01:23:24,667 --> 01:23:27,667
Speaker 2: you to the UK as well. Is it coming home?

1703
01:23:27,987 --> 01:23:30,947
Speaker 2: Euro Final tomorrow morning seven o'clock New Zealand Time, England

1704
01:23:30,947 --> 01:23:36,547
Speaker 2: b Spain. Dominic Fifield, highly respected award winning UK football

1705
01:23:36,627 --> 01:23:40,227
Speaker 2: journalist with us on the show too. Your calls and

1706
01:23:40,307 --> 01:23:42,987
Speaker 2: feedback continue to be welcome, give it a crack. We

1707
01:23:43,067 --> 01:23:45,387
Speaker 2: can't necessarily guarantee we'll get you on the air, but

1708
01:23:45,907 --> 01:23:47,987
Speaker 2: if you'd like to voice your thoughts our eight hundred

1709
01:23:47,987 --> 01:23:49,867
Speaker 2: and eighty ten to eighty on text. It's nine two

1710
01:23:49,987 --> 01:23:52,707
Speaker 2: ninety two, eight past two. As we always do it

1711
01:23:52,747 --> 01:23:54,507
Speaker 2: around about this time. We like to bring you up

1712
01:23:54,547 --> 01:23:56,987
Speaker 2: to date though, get you across the things you may

1713
01:23:57,067 --> 01:24:01,187
Speaker 2: have missed. Andy McDonald, as always is put together n

1714
01:24:01,307 --> 01:24:03,707
Speaker 2: case you missed. It's starting in the NRL, the Gold

1715
01:24:03,747 --> 01:24:08,547
Speaker 2: Coast Titans delivering another blow to the Eels miserable season.

1716
01:24:08,747 --> 01:24:13,387
Speaker 5: Kick for Kelly Cambo on his return, the tremendousle job

1717
01:24:13,587 --> 01:24:16,307
Speaker 5: in huts from the line and it's set up for

1718
01:24:16,507 --> 01:24:20,107
Speaker 5: Brian Kelly and the pressure does turn into.

1719
01:24:20,027 --> 01:24:23,267
Speaker 2: Points for the Titans. The Titans twenty four Eels sixteen.

1720
01:24:23,387 --> 01:24:26,147
Speaker 2: The Broncos meantime, have gone from bad to worse against

1721
01:24:26,147 --> 01:24:26,747
Speaker 2: the Dragons.

1722
01:24:26,787 --> 01:24:27,187
Speaker 14: Sup play.

1723
01:24:27,227 --> 01:24:29,907
Speaker 20: The ball needs to happen quickly where you get one

1724
01:24:29,987 --> 01:24:36,667
Speaker 20: last shot. It's a hidden home Bob from Rogers, so

1725
01:24:37,147 --> 01:24:39,747
Speaker 20: needs to be hard dear. It's on the ground, The

1726
01:24:39,907 --> 01:24:43,027
Speaker 20: villa plaints it up and the Dragons finally hold on.

1727
01:24:44,147 --> 01:24:45,107
Speaker 20: The Dragons win.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, that was god yeah thirty twenty six. The

1729
01:24:48,707 --> 01:24:51,947
Speaker 2: Dragons over the Broncos to International Rugby Australia two from

1730
01:24:52,027 --> 01:24:53,747
Speaker 2: two under Joe Schmidt.

1731
01:24:54,907 --> 01:24:58,067
Speaker 7: Don't jay a ha ha for.

1732
01:24:58,267 --> 01:25:03,107
Speaker 1: A boat, but he's outrageous, outrageous.

1733
01:25:04,987 --> 01:25:05,787
Speaker 7: He's got two.

1734
01:25:06,027 --> 01:25:13,187
Speaker 2: The fine Sleipo Australia thirty six Wales twenty eight. Island

1735
01:25:13,267 --> 01:25:16,387
Speaker 2: meantime stole a win from South Africa with back to

1736
01:25:16,507 --> 01:25:19,547
Speaker 2: back drop goals. A little fun little from Kaylan Blade.

1737
01:25:19,547 --> 01:25:23,187
Speaker 7: Here comes the drop goal attempt. It's a sweet strike,

1738
01:25:23,267 --> 01:25:24,987
Speaker 7: it's got enough on it. It's brilliant.

1739
01:25:25,707 --> 01:25:30,507
Speaker 9: Karen Forty puts Island backward in two back they.

1740
01:25:30,507 --> 01:25:34,787
Speaker 7: Go into the pocket for Forty. He's watching it.

1741
01:25:36,187 --> 01:25:40,147
Speaker 2: It's all that here. Island won twenty five twenty four

1742
01:25:40,307 --> 01:25:42,827
Speaker 2: in Argentina pulling off an upset went over France.

1743
01:25:43,067 --> 01:25:46,947
Speaker 26: Ignacio Luiz hits the bulls eye and that's all. She

1744
01:25:47,307 --> 01:25:53,147
Speaker 26: wrote in Buenos Aires, what a game. It was personal

1745
01:25:53,347 --> 01:25:57,147
Speaker 26: and revenge a you know. In thirty three twenty five.

1746
01:25:57,827 --> 01:26:08,387
Speaker 2: To Wimbledon, Barbora Kreatya Kova has become Wimbledon Women's Singles champions.

1747
01:26:09,147 --> 01:26:10,507
Speaker 13: A check very turn.

1748
01:26:12,547 --> 01:26:15,867
Speaker 2: Is the winkled and CHANGI means final tonight, of course.

1749
01:26:16,107 --> 01:26:17,947
Speaker 2: Staying on that side of the world. In the Pyrenees,

1750
01:26:18,107 --> 01:26:22,667
Speaker 2: Tadey Pagatcha firing possibly his biggest warning shot to his

1751
01:26:22,947 --> 01:26:24,307
Speaker 2: rivals on the Tour de France.

1752
01:26:24,507 --> 01:26:25,667
Speaker 6: This is the attack.

1753
01:26:26,787 --> 01:26:28,787
Speaker 2: Pergatcha puts on the power.

1754
01:26:29,587 --> 01:26:33,867
Speaker 5: This is an onslaught now by the yellow jersey, thirty

1755
01:26:33,947 --> 01:26:35,507
Speaker 5: two meters now between them.

1756
01:26:35,907 --> 01:26:40,347
Speaker 20: Tadey Pagatca comes round the final turn and he has.

1757
01:26:40,467 --> 01:26:43,747
Speaker 6: Dealt a hammer blow to the hopes of finger Guard.

1758
01:26:44,067 --> 01:26:49,307
Speaker 2: Pergatcha went stage fourteen and Scotty McLaughlin sitting another speed record,

1759
01:26:49,387 --> 01:26:51,987
Speaker 2: this time in qualifying ed Iowa.

1760
01:26:52,387 --> 01:26:54,387
Speaker 13: To the top one eighty seven.

1761
01:26:54,947 --> 01:26:59,787
Speaker 5: For Scottie mac the Expel Chevy is flying and it's

1762
01:26:59,827 --> 01:27:02,587
Speaker 5: a big app guys, and he's not done.

1763
01:27:03,987 --> 01:27:06,147
Speaker 2: Has the Federal media a little bit more at three

1764
01:27:06,427 --> 01:27:08,187
Speaker 2: for this lap, we'll see what the time is.

1765
01:27:09,827 --> 01:27:11,987
Speaker 7: Zero seven point two.

1766
01:27:12,667 --> 01:27:18,427
Speaker 2: My goodness, these are crazy speeds. New Zealand and the

1767
01:27:18,587 --> 01:27:19,547
Speaker 2: home Straight.

1768
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Speaker 1: Kiewis Weekend Sports Road to Paris twenty twenty four.

1769
01:27:31,787 --> 01:27:34,987
Speaker 2: Man, it is rushing up now, eleven days until competition

1770
01:27:35,147 --> 01:27:39,267
Speaker 2: starts at the Paris Olympic Games. We continue traversing the

1771
01:27:39,427 --> 01:27:42,827
Speaker 2: Road to Paris by celebrating some of our great Olympians

1772
01:27:43,267 --> 01:27:47,507
Speaker 2: from Olympic Games past. Dame Valerie Adams is one of

1773
01:27:47,547 --> 01:27:52,627
Speaker 2: New Zealand's most successful and celebrated Olympic athletes. She competed

1774
01:27:52,667 --> 01:27:55,507
Speaker 2: in the shot put at five Olympic Games from two

1775
01:27:55,587 --> 01:27:58,827
Speaker 2: thousand and four to twenty twenty one, becoming the second

1776
01:27:58,867 --> 01:28:02,787
Speaker 2: New Zealand woman after Barbara Kendall to compete at five Olympics.

1777
01:28:03,187 --> 01:28:06,587
Speaker 2: At her second Games, she won gold in Beijing in

1778
01:28:06,707 --> 01:28:07,707
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight.

1779
01:28:08,067 --> 01:28:09,587
Speaker 4: And the way she goes now in a bit to

1780
01:28:09,707 --> 01:28:13,667
Speaker 4: be the Olympic champion, that is more like it very good. Indeed,

1781
01:28:13,747 --> 01:28:19,347
Speaker 4: she'll be a comfortable leader after this at twenty meters

1782
01:28:19,427 --> 01:28:21,307
Speaker 4: fifty six, that's fantastic.

1783
01:28:21,587 --> 01:28:25,947
Speaker 2: It's Valerie and the vs for victorious and She repeated

1784
01:28:25,987 --> 01:28:29,067
Speaker 2: that feat at London twenty twelve, won silver in Rio

1785
01:28:29,187 --> 01:28:32,267
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and bronze at the last Olympics in Tokyo

1786
01:28:32,787 --> 01:28:35,947
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. She is a four time world champion,

1787
01:28:36,267 --> 01:28:39,747
Speaker 2: a four time World indoor champion, and she also attended

1788
01:28:39,827 --> 01:28:43,627
Speaker 2: five Commonwealth Games, winning three gold and two silver medals

1789
01:28:43,947 --> 01:28:47,187
Speaker 2: from two thousand and two to twenty eighteen. At one

1790
01:28:47,267 --> 01:28:52,587
Speaker 2: point she won one hundred and seven successive shot put competitions.

1791
01:28:52,987 --> 01:28:57,027
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, she was named World Athletics Female Athlete

1792
01:28:57,067 --> 01:29:00,707
Speaker 2: of the Year. She won the ngoc's Lonsdale Cup five times,

1793
01:29:01,067 --> 01:29:04,707
Speaker 2: was the Hellberg Sportswoman of the Year for seven consecutive

1794
01:29:04,787 --> 01:29:08,027
Speaker 2: years from two thousand and six, and the Hallberg Supreme

1795
01:29:08,107 --> 01:29:12,307
Speaker 2: Award winner three times. In the twenty seventeen New Year's Honors,

1796
01:29:12,627 --> 01:29:15,547
Speaker 2: she was named a Dame Companion of the New Zealand

1797
01:29:15,667 --> 01:29:18,827
Speaker 2: Order of Merit, making her the youngest Dame in New

1798
01:29:18,947 --> 01:29:22,307
Speaker 2: Zealand history. She had previously been made an Officer of

1799
01:29:22,387 --> 01:29:26,227
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Order of Merit. Dame Valerie Adams is

1800
01:29:26,307 --> 01:29:28,227
Speaker 2: in studio with us. Thank you so much for taking

1801
01:29:28,267 --> 01:29:30,787
Speaker 2: the time, Dame Valerie to come in It is such

1802
01:29:30,947 --> 01:29:34,107
Speaker 2: a glittering CV that I've just read out. Where do

1803
01:29:34,187 --> 01:29:37,667
Speaker 2: your Olympic gold medals sit in amongst everything else that

1804
01:29:37,707 --> 01:29:38,867
Speaker 2: you've achieved in your career?

1805
01:29:41,307 --> 01:29:45,107
Speaker 27: In a box in a safe at home. They come

1806
01:29:45,147 --> 01:29:46,747
Speaker 27: out from time to time, believe pretty much.

1807
01:29:46,667 --> 01:29:50,707
Speaker 2: In terms of the context where you put Olympic gold

1808
01:29:50,867 --> 01:29:54,307
Speaker 2: in amongst everything else she've achieved? Where do they sit

1809
01:29:54,627 --> 01:29:55,667
Speaker 2: in that regard?

1810
01:29:57,467 --> 01:29:58,147
Speaker 28: Pretty high up.

1811
01:29:58,227 --> 01:30:01,067
Speaker 27: You know, the Olympics is the pinnacle of your sporting career,

1812
01:30:01,227 --> 01:30:04,547
Speaker 27: and everybody strives and can and train so hard for

1813
01:30:04,627 --> 01:30:06,947
Speaker 27: this very one moment which we're we were all about

1814
01:30:07,027 --> 01:30:10,707
Speaker 27: to enjoy in a few weeks time, So looking forward

1815
01:30:10,747 --> 01:30:10,907
Speaker 27: to that.

1816
01:30:11,547 --> 01:30:14,627
Speaker 2: Your last Olympics Tokyo three years ago. I remember there

1817
01:30:14,667 --> 01:30:17,747
Speaker 2: was real emotion when you won bronze in Tokyo. Can

1818
01:30:17,787 --> 01:30:19,107
Speaker 2: you take us back to Tokyo.

1819
01:30:19,987 --> 01:30:23,467
Speaker 27: Yeah, Tokyo was quite a journey and it was very

1820
01:30:23,587 --> 01:30:27,987
Speaker 27: emotional and all the feels mentally, physically and emotionally. And

1821
01:30:28,027 --> 01:30:30,627
Speaker 27: that was only because you know, I had my son.

1822
01:30:30,707 --> 01:30:34,267
Speaker 27: I needly carcked it and there was a delayed game,

1823
01:30:34,427 --> 01:30:36,907
Speaker 27: so I had to be separated from my children for

1824
01:30:36,987 --> 01:30:39,027
Speaker 27: a very very long time. It was a games that

1825
01:30:39,187 --> 01:30:42,947
Speaker 27: was quite unique with COVID and being locked out on

1826
01:30:43,227 --> 01:30:45,307
Speaker 27: you know, of certain places and doing things in a

1827
01:30:45,387 --> 01:30:48,067
Speaker 27: very specific way. But all in all, I'm very glad

1828
01:30:48,067 --> 01:30:50,587
Speaker 27: that we had the opportunity and the games you know,

1829
01:30:50,827 --> 01:30:54,227
Speaker 27: continue to happen in twenty twenty one. But winning that

1830
01:30:54,347 --> 01:30:58,587
Speaker 27: bronze medal in Tokyo was felt so much more special

1831
01:30:58,667 --> 01:31:00,907
Speaker 27: to me than winning my two gold medals, and that

1832
01:31:01,107 --> 01:31:03,467
Speaker 27: was only because of the journey it took to get there,

1833
01:31:03,547 --> 01:31:06,507
Speaker 27: but also being there as a mum of two was

1834
01:31:06,587 --> 01:31:07,347
Speaker 27: quite special for me.

1835
01:31:07,707 --> 01:31:09,907
Speaker 2: At times on that journey to Tokyo, Did you think

1836
01:31:09,947 --> 01:31:11,067
Speaker 2: you weren't going to get there?

1837
01:31:11,427 --> 01:31:11,747
Speaker 13: Totally?

1838
01:31:11,787 --> 01:31:16,187
Speaker 27: Shit, Yes, absolutely, you know, for a moment there like I.

1839
01:31:16,427 --> 01:31:18,627
Speaker 27: You knows, as I mentioned, you know, like I nearly

1840
01:31:19,627 --> 01:31:22,107
Speaker 27: when I had my son, didn't nearly make it, and

1841
01:31:22,187 --> 01:31:25,627
Speaker 27: then COVID happened, and you know, old girl was aging,

1842
01:31:25,707 --> 01:31:28,147
Speaker 27: so the body wasn't responding as well as she could.

1843
01:31:28,707 --> 01:31:33,187
Speaker 27: Having two major operations in the abdomen area was not ideal.

1844
01:31:33,427 --> 01:31:36,107
Speaker 27: It's not ideal preparation. But I still continue to have

1845
01:31:36,267 --> 01:31:41,267
Speaker 27: hope and I still continue to use that those experiences

1846
01:31:41,387 --> 01:31:45,827
Speaker 27: to kind of inspire me and motivate me. Towards my goals,

1847
01:31:45,867 --> 01:31:47,747
Speaker 27: because I still had this inkling of hope that I

1848
01:31:47,787 --> 01:31:50,427
Speaker 27: could make it to Tokyo. Everybody knows the type of

1849
01:31:50,467 --> 01:31:53,267
Speaker 27: competitor I am. I'm not a numbers person. So ten

1850
01:31:53,347 --> 01:31:57,147
Speaker 27: months after having a C section and having two major

1851
01:31:57,187 --> 01:31:59,707
Speaker 27: operations after that, I did qualify for the Olympics, which

1852
01:31:59,787 --> 01:32:03,107
Speaker 27: was fantastic, and it was like, you know, I got

1853
01:32:03,267 --> 01:32:04,627
Speaker 27: punched my ticket and all the rest of it to

1854
01:32:04,707 --> 01:32:06,747
Speaker 27: go there. But equally, I knew that I if I

1855
01:32:06,787 --> 01:32:10,267
Speaker 27: didn't throw nineteen meters by a certain competition, I was

1856
01:32:10,307 --> 01:32:12,787
Speaker 27: going to pull myself out. So that's the type of

1857
01:32:12,787 --> 01:32:14,987
Speaker 27: pressure I put on myself, even at the stage I

1858
01:32:15,187 --> 01:32:18,747
Speaker 27: was at age wise and physically. And once I was

1859
01:32:18,787 --> 01:32:21,387
Speaker 27: able to meet those criterias, my personal criterias, then I

1860
01:32:21,427 --> 01:32:23,827
Speaker 27: knew I had the opportunity to go to Tokyo. But

1861
01:32:24,027 --> 01:32:26,347
Speaker 27: also I was there to win a medal. I wasn't

1862
01:32:26,347 --> 01:32:29,267
Speaker 27: there just to be a number. If that makes any sense.

1863
01:32:29,147 --> 01:32:29,347
Speaker 4: It does.

1864
01:32:29,427 --> 01:32:31,707
Speaker 2: It makes total sense. Your daughter, of course, if we

1865
01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:33,907
Speaker 2: go back a few years, was born in twenty seventeen.

1866
01:32:34,467 --> 01:32:37,267
Speaker 2: Was it always the plan to return to elite level

1867
01:32:37,307 --> 01:32:38,627
Speaker 2: competition after that?

1868
01:32:39,347 --> 01:32:42,147
Speaker 27: Well, six months after having a RIC section, yes, I

1869
01:32:42,467 --> 01:32:44,827
Speaker 27: had every intention to turn up to their Command Games

1870
01:32:44,867 --> 01:32:47,227
Speaker 27: and to hold a silver medal at a six month

1871
01:32:47,267 --> 01:32:51,347
Speaker 27: old baby in one hand. That was quite a unique experience,

1872
01:32:51,467 --> 01:32:55,667
Speaker 27: but one I haven't haven't embarked on obviously, But it

1873
01:32:55,827 --> 01:32:56,707
Speaker 27: was very, very tough.

1874
01:32:56,827 --> 01:32:57,747
Speaker 28: But I always knew that I.

1875
01:32:57,747 --> 01:33:00,867
Speaker 27: Wanted to go to those Commath Games, even though it

1876
01:33:00,947 --> 01:33:03,507
Speaker 27: was a lot earlier than the other championships. That was

1877
01:33:03,627 --> 01:33:06,067
Speaker 27: my driving force take to get back into shape and

1878
01:33:06,147 --> 01:33:09,027
Speaker 27: to be able to turn up and perform. And it

1879
01:33:09,147 --> 01:33:11,787
Speaker 27: was a very difficult ride. I'm not gonna lie. Having

1880
01:33:11,907 --> 01:33:13,747
Speaker 27: a C section for the very first time, to have

1881
01:33:13,907 --> 01:33:16,667
Speaker 27: to get her out was quite intense. And didn't realize that,

1882
01:33:16,747 --> 01:33:19,627
Speaker 27: you know, things moved a bit differently, things are a

1883
01:33:19,627 --> 01:33:22,627
Speaker 27: little bit looser, so might had to modify training to

1884
01:33:22,707 --> 01:33:23,987
Speaker 27: be able to get to those games.

1885
01:33:24,027 --> 01:33:26,827
Speaker 2: And I'm glad I did incredible just on twenty twenty

1886
01:33:26,867 --> 01:33:29,227
Speaker 2: one as well, your sister Lisa one Paralympic gold in

1887
01:33:29,267 --> 01:33:32,067
Speaker 2: the shop put in Tokyo under your guidance. That must

1888
01:33:32,067 --> 01:33:33,627
Speaker 2: have been incredibly special as well, was it?

1889
01:33:34,147 --> 01:33:35,827
Speaker 27: Oh, it was wonderful. It was awesome to be able

1890
01:33:35,867 --> 01:33:37,707
Speaker 27: to compete at the Olympics and then stay on for

1891
01:33:37,787 --> 01:33:40,547
Speaker 27: the Paralympics. To be able to support Lisa in her

1892
01:33:41,387 --> 01:33:43,667
Speaker 27: journey towards her gold medal. You know, it was a

1893
01:33:43,907 --> 01:33:46,267
Speaker 27: fantastic experience for the both of us and also for

1894
01:33:46,347 --> 01:33:49,027
Speaker 27: the New Zealand team. And to be able to be

1895
01:33:49,307 --> 01:33:51,627
Speaker 27: part of that Paralympic Games. I've never been a part

1896
01:33:51,667 --> 01:33:54,027
Speaker 27: of something like that before. Was quite special, just to

1897
01:33:54,067 --> 01:33:56,747
Speaker 27: see things, to see how they do things. But man,

1898
01:33:56,827 --> 01:33:59,747
Speaker 27: the athletes at the Paralympics this phenomenal. They absolutely sp

1899
01:33:59,987 --> 01:34:03,187
Speaker 27: just special human beings who do extraordinary things. And I

1900
01:34:03,347 --> 01:34:07,987
Speaker 27: was very, very very wow. I just meeting these athletes

1901
01:34:08,067 --> 01:34:10,707
Speaker 27: and just seeing what they're able to do, what their

1902
01:34:10,747 --> 01:34:14,267
Speaker 27: capabilities are with the physical disabilities that they did did

1903
01:34:14,347 --> 01:34:15,907
Speaker 27: have was quite extraordinary.

1904
01:34:16,427 --> 01:34:19,067
Speaker 2: Your first Olympics Athens two thousand and four. But I

1905
01:34:19,147 --> 01:34:22,987
Speaker 2: think you just had an appendectomy? Yes, then you never

1906
01:34:23,027 --> 01:34:24,947
Speaker 2: go you never go the easy way.

1907
01:34:24,867 --> 01:34:27,027
Speaker 28: Do you No, that's boring, let's worring.

1908
01:34:28,027 --> 01:34:32,587
Speaker 27: Yes, the Yeah, six weeks before the Olympic Games in Olympia,

1909
01:34:32,987 --> 01:34:36,387
Speaker 27: I had appendicitis and I had yeah. Yeah, it wasn't

1910
01:34:36,507 --> 01:34:39,667
Speaker 27: very good, so I was had surgery, managed to make

1911
01:34:39,707 --> 01:34:42,307
Speaker 27: it on the plane, manage to perform a like have

1912
01:34:42,507 --> 01:34:46,347
Speaker 27: two competitions before competing in Olympia. But the downfall to

1913
01:34:46,427 --> 01:34:49,547
Speaker 27: all of that was a yes, having an abdominal surgery,

1914
01:34:49,667 --> 01:34:51,987
Speaker 27: but be not having the competition fitness to be able

1915
01:34:52,027 --> 01:34:56,267
Speaker 27: to perform better at those games. However, as a youngster,

1916
01:34:56,627 --> 01:34:59,227
Speaker 27: I finished tenth in the day. Now sitting at fifth position.

1917
01:34:59,547 --> 01:35:02,187
Speaker 27: Who knows with technology another way, they're testing all the

1918
01:35:03,667 --> 01:35:05,867
Speaker 27: all the samples at the moment, they could change, but

1919
01:35:05,907 --> 01:35:07,627
Speaker 27: I'm sitting at fifth place at the moment. At my

1920
01:35:07,747 --> 01:35:09,027
Speaker 27: very first Olympic Games, all.

1921
01:35:08,987 --> 01:35:12,787
Speaker 2: Right, gold in Beijing in two thousand and eight. What

1922
01:35:12,987 --> 01:35:15,027
Speaker 2: stands out most vividly about those games?

1923
01:35:15,707 --> 01:35:18,067
Speaker 27: It was one that ran to the box, like everything

1924
01:35:18,187 --> 01:35:23,107
Speaker 27: ran to plan. It was a perfect competition. I dominated

1925
01:35:23,147 --> 01:35:26,547
Speaker 27: from the start. I out did all my competitors mentally,

1926
01:35:26,587 --> 01:35:29,907
Speaker 27: physically and emotionally, and I was able to perform at

1927
01:35:29,987 --> 01:35:34,067
Speaker 27: my very best pbe gold medal. It was just everything

1928
01:35:34,147 --> 01:35:37,227
Speaker 27: was perfect. I cannot fault those games at all because

1929
01:35:37,227 --> 01:35:42,147
Speaker 27: everything just ran absolutely amazingly well for me. But quite

1930
01:35:42,507 --> 01:35:45,627
Speaker 27: an amazing competition all in all, because you know Beijing,

1931
01:35:46,027 --> 01:35:47,707
Speaker 27: and to be able to go to Beijing two months

1932
01:35:47,747 --> 01:35:50,747
Speaker 27: before the games and all the smug and everything else,

1933
01:35:50,787 --> 01:35:53,547
Speaker 27: and then two months later, it was like you're in paradise.

1934
01:35:54,267 --> 01:35:58,347
Speaker 27: Was quite extraordinary to experience. But yeah, perfect competition.

1935
01:35:58,587 --> 01:36:01,027
Speaker 2: When you are throwing at your best like that, What

1936
01:36:01,187 --> 01:36:03,787
Speaker 2: does that feel like? Both physically and mentally? Are you

1937
01:36:03,867 --> 01:36:06,147
Speaker 2: in some sort of flow state when that happens?

1938
01:36:06,587 --> 01:36:07,107
Speaker 13: It's easy.

1939
01:36:08,107 --> 01:36:11,507
Speaker 27: It's so easy that you're like, oh okay, sweet that

1940
01:36:12,507 --> 01:36:14,307
Speaker 27: when you're in that state and when you're when you're

1941
01:36:14,347 --> 01:36:19,227
Speaker 27: competing and things go really really well technically, it's such

1942
01:36:19,227 --> 01:36:23,507
Speaker 27: an easy throw and it's so effortless that it's it's it's.

1943
01:36:23,387 --> 01:36:24,947
Speaker 28: An incredible feeling.

1944
01:36:25,387 --> 01:36:27,347
Speaker 27: However, that happens once in a while, but when it

1945
01:36:27,387 --> 01:36:29,907
Speaker 27: does happen, it's it's quite amazing.

1946
01:36:30,147 --> 01:36:33,227
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you won gold in twenty twelve as well,

1947
01:36:33,307 --> 01:36:35,987
Speaker 2: but it was only awarded to you after the disqualification

1948
01:36:36,107 --> 01:36:39,147
Speaker 2: of nadsaia a stopchuk. I seem to remember and correct

1949
01:36:39,147 --> 01:36:41,227
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong that when you got the silver

1950
01:36:41,347 --> 01:36:43,907
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of almost blowback as though

1951
01:36:44,027 --> 01:36:47,147
Speaker 2: silver wasn't good enough you eventually got gold. Did all

1952
01:36:47,227 --> 01:36:49,067
Speaker 2: of that dilute the achievements.

1953
01:36:48,547 --> 01:36:49,067
Speaker 8: At all for you?

1954
01:36:50,227 --> 01:36:51,947
Speaker 27: You know, like I think that journey to the twenty

1955
01:36:52,027 --> 01:36:54,947
Speaker 27: twelve Olympics, you know, everything happened. Nothing like a bit

1956
01:36:54,987 --> 01:36:57,427
Speaker 27: of drama, right, Nothing goes easy, you know, not being

1957
01:36:57,667 --> 01:37:01,147
Speaker 27: entered into the Olympics in the first instance, to being

1958
01:37:01,347 --> 01:37:03,947
Speaker 27: entered and then to finish with the silver medal. Absolutely,

1959
01:37:04,027 --> 01:37:07,827
Speaker 27: it was very devastating on the day. But and then

1960
01:37:07,907 --> 01:37:10,147
Speaker 27: getting it awarded seven days later, did it dilute it?

1961
01:37:10,267 --> 01:37:10,667
Speaker 10: Not at all.

1962
01:37:10,747 --> 01:37:13,707
Speaker 27: It just showcase the fact that I was able to

1963
01:37:13,787 --> 01:37:16,627
Speaker 27: compete under the pressure that I was under, that I

1964
01:37:16,787 --> 01:37:19,227
Speaker 27: was in and bring the best that I could on

1965
01:37:19,387 --> 01:37:21,987
Speaker 27: the day and it eventually paid off. The hardest thing

1966
01:37:22,067 --> 01:37:26,227
Speaker 27: for me was the mental battle and the I guess

1967
01:37:26,267 --> 01:37:29,907
Speaker 27: the comments and you know, people's opinions on the way

1968
01:37:29,907 --> 01:37:32,147
Speaker 27: I performed on the day that I should have won

1969
01:37:32,187 --> 01:37:34,067
Speaker 27: the gold medal, because you know, that was the goal,

1970
01:37:34,147 --> 01:37:37,307
Speaker 27: and ultimately for me, I felt like a failure on

1971
01:37:37,387 --> 01:37:38,947
Speaker 27: the day. But then seven days later I became a

1972
01:37:39,067 --> 01:37:42,787
Speaker 27: national hero. So lots of learnings from that and that

1973
01:37:42,907 --> 01:37:45,427
Speaker 27: I want, you know, continue to scream out loud that

1974
01:37:45,467 --> 01:37:48,187
Speaker 27: you know, we need to celebrate every medal this country gets,

1975
01:37:48,587 --> 01:37:50,507
Speaker 27: and everybody strives for a gold medal. It's not for

1976
01:37:50,707 --> 01:37:52,987
Speaker 27: lack of want or lack of trying, but it's sport

1977
01:37:53,067 --> 01:37:56,467
Speaker 27: and it does happen. Fortunately for me, I got awarded it.

1978
01:37:56,507 --> 01:37:58,587
Speaker 27: Seven days later they caught her and they you know,

1979
01:37:59,067 --> 01:38:01,707
Speaker 27: disqualified her. But for a lot of athletes, you know,

1980
01:38:01,787 --> 01:38:03,907
Speaker 27: it could be years down the line, eight years, ten

1981
01:38:03,987 --> 01:38:06,027
Speaker 27: years with until they get their gold medal. So I

1982
01:38:06,067 --> 01:38:08,587
Speaker 27: want of the lucky ones. However, the damage was done

1983
01:38:09,307 --> 01:38:12,747
Speaker 27: when the competition definition. Then I try to get myself

1984
01:38:12,787 --> 01:38:15,107
Speaker 27: back up after that, but yeah, it is the way

1985
01:38:15,147 --> 01:38:16,867
Speaker 27: the cookie crumbles. You just got to be able to,

1986
01:38:17,427 --> 01:38:18,507
Speaker 27: I guess, stay strong.

1987
01:38:18,747 --> 01:38:21,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were robbed of standing on top of

1988
01:38:21,347 --> 01:38:24,067
Speaker 2: the podium, you know in London and here in New

1989
01:38:24,147 --> 01:38:26,707
Speaker 2: Zealand's national anthem again. I know you heard it once

1990
01:38:26,747 --> 01:38:29,067
Speaker 2: we got back here and there was a special ceremony

1991
01:38:29,067 --> 01:38:31,987
Speaker 2: and it was it was awesome, But I mean, did

1992
01:38:32,027 --> 01:38:34,387
Speaker 2: you feel robbed in any way looking back at that

1993
01:38:34,627 --> 01:38:35,467
Speaker 2: at that moment.

1994
01:38:35,587 --> 01:38:38,587
Speaker 27: One hundred percent. That was probably the hardest part is

1995
01:38:38,627 --> 01:38:40,387
Speaker 27: actually that moment was taken away from you. I had

1996
01:38:40,427 --> 01:38:43,147
Speaker 27: my family members there who traveled all the way from

1997
01:38:43,187 --> 01:38:46,787
Speaker 27: New Zealand, I had friends, eighty thousand people, and it

1998
01:38:46,947 --> 01:38:49,467
Speaker 27: was a moment that I should have been able to

1999
01:38:49,587 --> 01:38:51,307
Speaker 27: enjoy standing up on a dice. Yet I had to

2000
01:38:51,347 --> 01:38:53,747
Speaker 27: set up on a dice on the second place together

2001
01:38:53,867 --> 01:38:56,467
Speaker 27: and actually listen to her national anthem. And that was hard,

2002
01:38:56,507 --> 01:38:57,987
Speaker 27: and it was a moment that you can never ever

2003
01:38:58,067 --> 01:39:00,387
Speaker 27: get back. And I know they we did something here

2004
01:39:00,467 --> 01:39:02,867
Speaker 27: back in New Zealand, and it would probably never happen

2005
01:39:02,907 --> 01:39:05,067
Speaker 27: again in my lifetime something like that happening here in

2006
01:39:05,067 --> 01:39:08,147
Speaker 27: New Zealand. However, that moment was taken away from me,

2007
01:39:08,187 --> 01:39:11,427
Speaker 27: and yes, I was robbed of it, but I'm glad

2008
01:39:11,467 --> 01:39:13,107
Speaker 27: she was caught. You know, you always got to try

2009
01:39:13,107 --> 01:39:14,907
Speaker 27: and look at the bright side. And now it's good,

2010
01:39:15,027 --> 01:39:17,987
Speaker 27: you know, to look back on it. And actually I

2011
01:39:18,147 --> 01:39:21,907
Speaker 27: guess honan on that a bit more. But in that moment,

2012
01:39:22,067 --> 01:39:25,347
Speaker 27: absolutely I had a few colorful words to express.

2013
01:39:25,787 --> 01:39:26,947
Speaker 2: Did you know she was cheating?

2014
01:39:27,747 --> 01:39:31,507
Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, yes, yes, absolutely, I mean

2015
01:39:31,587 --> 01:39:35,027
Speaker 27: it's my coach said something up for the competition and

2016
01:39:35,507 --> 01:39:39,227
Speaker 27: just you know, kept quiet, and he got ridiculed for

2017
01:39:39,307 --> 01:39:41,067
Speaker 27: it because then he need said because they asked, so,

2018
01:39:41,107 --> 01:39:43,067
Speaker 27: you know, what do you think about her performances? And

2019
01:39:43,187 --> 01:39:46,027
Speaker 27: Jean Pierre said, you know, I have nothing to say

2020
01:39:46,067 --> 01:39:49,267
Speaker 27: except you know, wait and see he knew something was

2021
01:39:49,347 --> 01:39:51,907
Speaker 27: going on, and then sure enough seven days later, but

2022
01:39:52,427 --> 01:39:56,187
Speaker 27: everything kind of came to life because I beat her

2023
01:39:56,227 --> 01:39:58,267
Speaker 27: in May at the Diamond League in Rome. I threw

2024
01:39:58,347 --> 01:40:00,707
Speaker 27: twenty one meters and it was a great competition for me.

2025
01:40:00,747 --> 01:40:02,707
Speaker 27: And then she went back to Belarus and she never

2026
01:40:02,827 --> 01:40:05,947
Speaker 27: exited Belarus until she came to London, so then she

2027
01:40:06,107 --> 01:40:08,627
Speaker 27: was she went into to Belarus and she competed and

2028
01:40:08,707 --> 01:40:12,427
Speaker 27: stayed there within their military confinements and then that's you know,

2029
01:40:12,587 --> 01:40:15,387
Speaker 27: where she was training. So as far as drug testers

2030
01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:17,547
Speaker 27: and things like that goes, it was very difficult for

2031
01:40:17,627 --> 01:40:19,587
Speaker 27: them to even get into the country to test her.

2032
01:40:20,067 --> 01:40:22,987
Speaker 27: And you know, like it is what it is, and

2033
01:40:23,187 --> 01:40:25,147
Speaker 27: they do whatever they can to win those medals, but

2034
01:40:26,027 --> 01:40:28,827
Speaker 27: she's still seen as a national hero and they took

2035
01:40:28,867 --> 01:40:31,667
Speaker 27: back the medal when she did win in twenty twelve

2036
01:40:31,747 --> 01:40:35,547
Speaker 27: and celebrated and all the rest of it. But yeah,

2037
01:40:35,667 --> 01:40:36,867
Speaker 27: it's just one of those things that you got to

2038
01:40:36,907 --> 01:40:40,467
Speaker 27: deal with within sports, and unfortunately it's systematic from the top,

2039
01:40:40,587 --> 01:40:42,827
Speaker 27: you know, as opposed to an individual bid to.

2040
01:40:42,827 --> 01:40:45,787
Speaker 2: Be able to do this crazy well, history will judge

2041
01:40:45,827 --> 01:40:49,187
Speaker 2: her and her country. Just on Rio sixteen Dameville, another medals,

2042
01:40:49,227 --> 01:40:51,547
Speaker 2: this time silver. Again you led them to the final round.

2043
01:40:51,747 --> 01:40:53,787
Speaker 2: Any tinge of disappointment you couldn't get gold.

2044
01:40:53,827 --> 01:40:56,987
Speaker 27: There there's hoias as the appointment if you don't get gold.

2045
01:40:57,267 --> 01:41:00,787
Speaker 27: But equally again for me personally, it was like I

2046
01:41:00,907 --> 01:41:03,027
Speaker 27: hadn't thrown that far in like three years. I had

2047
01:41:03,107 --> 01:41:05,787
Speaker 27: two major operations that took me out of twenty fifteen.

2048
01:41:06,427 --> 01:41:07,867
Speaker 27: There are all the things that people don't know. You know,

2049
01:41:07,907 --> 01:41:10,067
Speaker 27: people only see the medals, And yes, I would have

2050
01:41:10,147 --> 01:41:12,147
Speaker 27: loved to get the three pete. That was always our goal.

2051
01:41:12,267 --> 01:41:15,147
Speaker 28: But getting nubbed in the first in the last round

2052
01:41:15,307 --> 01:41:19,147
Speaker 28: absolutely sucked. But the same thing. It's sport. You win some,

2053
01:41:19,267 --> 01:41:20,907
Speaker 28: you lose some, But I don't see it as losing.

2054
01:41:20,947 --> 01:41:22,467
Speaker 27: I see it as like I got second best on

2055
01:41:22,507 --> 01:41:24,427
Speaker 27: the day, like you know, say lovey, And I was

2056
01:41:24,467 --> 01:41:27,507
Speaker 27: able to enjoy it myself and celebrate it because the

2057
01:41:27,587 --> 01:41:29,827
Speaker 27: journey it took to get to Rio in itself was very,

2058
01:41:29,907 --> 01:41:31,427
Speaker 27: very difficult. But it would have been great to get

2059
01:41:31,467 --> 01:41:34,907
Speaker 27: the three pet But hey, well good, you know, oh

2060
01:41:34,987 --> 01:41:35,667
Speaker 27: good love it.

2061
01:41:35,787 --> 01:41:37,467
Speaker 28: Silver medals great? You know, people will kill for a

2062
01:41:37,507 --> 01:41:38,307
Speaker 28: bloody silver medal.

2063
01:41:38,707 --> 01:41:43,267
Speaker 2: So when do you think you were at the absolute

2064
01:41:43,307 --> 01:41:45,427
Speaker 2: peak of your powers in your career? When were you

2065
01:41:45,507 --> 01:41:48,067
Speaker 2: throwing in that flow state where it was, as you

2066
01:41:48,067 --> 01:41:50,307
Speaker 2: said before, easy. When was that twenty twelve?

2067
01:41:50,667 --> 01:41:54,547
Speaker 27: Absolutely twenty twelve when I moved to Switzerland and trained

2068
01:41:54,587 --> 01:41:58,827
Speaker 27: to Jean Pierre under his guidance, and basically twenty twelve

2069
01:41:59,147 --> 01:42:04,867
Speaker 27: and so twenty eleven when I broke the world championship record,

2070
01:42:05,067 --> 01:42:06,827
Speaker 27: and that was the start of it. And then basically

2071
01:42:06,907 --> 01:42:09,387
Speaker 27: into the twenty twelve season, I was pretty much unstoppable

2072
01:42:09,427 --> 01:42:12,227
Speaker 27: and I was at my best physically, mentally, emotionally, like

2073
01:42:12,347 --> 01:42:14,747
Speaker 27: I was humming on all four Cylanders, and I'm not

2074
01:42:14,827 --> 01:42:18,147
Speaker 27: saying all the other seasons I wasn't humming. That just

2075
01:42:18,267 --> 01:42:21,387
Speaker 27: stood out for me from a physical point of view,

2076
01:42:21,427 --> 01:42:23,987
Speaker 27: in particular because when I moved to Switzerland and when

2077
01:42:24,027 --> 01:42:25,987
Speaker 27: I approached Ian Pierre to take me on, he basically

2078
01:42:26,307 --> 01:42:29,307
Speaker 27: like told me if I wanted to survivors training, I

2079
01:42:29,387 --> 01:42:31,067
Speaker 27: needed to lose a bit of weight and you know,

2080
01:42:31,347 --> 01:42:33,227
Speaker 27: get fit to be able to survive it. And I

2081
01:42:33,547 --> 01:42:36,667
Speaker 27: took that information, came home, trained so hard to get

2082
01:42:36,707 --> 01:42:38,947
Speaker 27: myself into a physical state which I was where I

2083
01:42:39,107 --> 01:42:41,667
Speaker 27: was able to perform, went back to Switzerland and then

2084
01:42:41,787 --> 01:42:44,787
Speaker 27: we're like basically head down, bump up, and worked so

2085
01:42:44,987 --> 01:42:47,227
Speaker 27: hard that in six seven months time, I went to

2086
01:42:47,307 --> 01:42:50,627
Speaker 27: the World Championships in Daegu, broke the championship record which

2087
01:42:50,667 --> 01:42:53,707
Speaker 27: had been there there since nineteen eighty seven. So that

2088
01:42:53,867 --> 01:42:55,947
Speaker 27: was a fantastic competition.

2089
01:42:55,627 --> 01:42:59,107
Speaker 2: For me, fantastic present day, it seems a silly question

2090
01:42:59,147 --> 01:43:00,667
Speaker 2: for a mom of two, but what takes up most

2091
01:43:00,707 --> 01:43:01,427
Speaker 2: of your time now?

2092
01:43:03,307 --> 01:43:03,667
Speaker 12: I don't know.

2093
01:43:03,667 --> 01:43:04,747
Speaker 28: I asked my manager.

2094
01:43:07,667 --> 01:43:11,027
Speaker 27: A bit like if everything really it's life is very

2095
01:43:11,107 --> 01:43:14,547
Speaker 27: busy at the moment, very complex, but it's it's great,

2096
01:43:14,627 --> 01:43:19,307
Speaker 27: like it's with I'm your I have the opportunity to

2097
01:43:19,387 --> 01:43:21,587
Speaker 27: be able to do some things that I really want

2098
01:43:21,627 --> 01:43:25,227
Speaker 27: to do, make some changes, be a part of like

2099
01:43:25,347 --> 01:43:28,867
Speaker 27: I'm being a chairperson of the Athletes Commissioner World Championship

2100
01:43:28,907 --> 01:43:31,267
Speaker 27: at the World Athletics has been amazing, been part of

2101
01:43:31,307 --> 01:43:33,867
Speaker 27: the counsel to be the athlete's voice from a global

2102
01:43:33,907 --> 01:43:37,107
Speaker 27: point of view, and with the higher form of sport,

2103
01:43:37,147 --> 01:43:39,667
Speaker 27: New Zealand has been on the board there. Then I've got,

2104
01:43:39,747 --> 01:43:43,827
Speaker 27: you know, still heavily involved all my sponsors, which bloody fantastic.

2105
01:43:43,867 --> 01:43:47,067
Speaker 27: And then two young children both at primary school now,

2106
01:43:47,107 --> 01:43:49,187
Speaker 27: which is awesome. So and that single mom life. You know,

2107
01:43:49,227 --> 01:43:51,267
Speaker 27: it's not always easy, you know when you're trying to

2108
01:43:51,707 --> 01:43:55,667
Speaker 27: work and navigate and organize everybody. It's just all part

2109
01:43:55,707 --> 01:43:58,307
Speaker 27: and parcel of what we do. So life is very busy.

2110
01:43:58,347 --> 01:44:00,267
Speaker 27: I'm busier now than I was before because you know,

2111
01:44:00,347 --> 01:44:01,947
Speaker 27: as an athlete, you can just be like, no, I can't.

2112
01:44:02,027 --> 01:44:05,387
Speaker 27: I can't because I'm training, training, training, But it's a

2113
01:44:05,427 --> 01:44:08,667
Speaker 27: great opportunity right now to make some changes and to

2114
01:44:09,667 --> 01:44:13,107
Speaker 27: see progress and help people where you can, and be

2115
01:44:13,187 --> 01:44:15,147
Speaker 27: a part of great charities like you know Jami's for

2116
01:44:15,267 --> 01:44:18,827
Speaker 27: June and things like that, which actually are very close

2117
01:44:18,867 --> 01:44:20,507
Speaker 27: to your heart, especially within your community.

2118
01:44:20,627 --> 01:44:21,747
Speaker 28: But watch the space.

2119
01:44:21,947 --> 01:44:24,507
Speaker 2: What's not going amazing? Final question is the one I've

2120
01:44:24,507 --> 01:44:26,027
Speaker 2: asked all of our guests on this feature, and you

2121
01:44:26,067 --> 01:44:28,147
Speaker 2: actually alluded to it at the start about I mean,

2122
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Speaker 2: where on earth do you keep all of your medals?

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01:44:29,947 --> 01:44:31,747
Speaker 2: Are they really just in a box somewhere?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, they're in a box in the safe, like I'm

2125
01:44:33,947 --> 01:44:35,707
Speaker 27: not kidding. So from time to time I have to

2126
01:44:35,747 --> 01:44:37,787
Speaker 27: take them places. I'm yanked them out and then the

2127
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Speaker 27: kids come and have a little play and throw them around.

2128
01:44:39,867 --> 01:44:42,347
Speaker 27: Then I take them away with me and then they

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01:44:42,427 --> 01:44:44,907
Speaker 27: go back into the box. So yeah, I mean my

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01:44:44,947 --> 01:44:47,587
Speaker 27: house is pretty much full of toys and kids shoes

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01:44:47,627 --> 01:44:49,187
Speaker 27: and you know, kids clothes and all the rest of it,

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01:44:49,267 --> 01:44:51,267
Speaker 27: because it's all about them, right, Like they don't actually

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01:44:51,307 --> 01:44:53,507
Speaker 27: really give them about what mum's done. But I do

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01:44:54,347 --> 01:44:56,427
Speaker 27: laugh from time to time when walking down the supermarket

2135
01:44:56,547 --> 01:44:58,387
Speaker 27: and people want to take photos and my six year

2136
01:44:58,387 --> 01:45:00,907
Speaker 27: old daughters giving them the side eye as if to ask, like, what.

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01:45:00,987 --> 01:45:01,467
Speaker 13: Are you doing?

2138
01:45:02,027 --> 01:45:03,107
Speaker 28: So she doesn't understand.

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01:45:03,147 --> 01:45:05,827
Speaker 27: They don't really know. Apart from the other day where

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01:45:06,027 --> 01:45:08,907
Speaker 27: my classes five went to the blabury and there's an

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01:45:08,947 --> 01:45:11,907
Speaker 27: Olympic book and he opened and he goes, this is

2142
01:45:11,987 --> 01:45:15,027
Speaker 27: my mum and he had this massive grin from cheek

2143
01:45:15,067 --> 01:45:16,587
Speaker 27: to cheek and the teacher sent me a phone and

2144
01:45:16,627 --> 01:45:18,347
Speaker 27: I thought that was really sweet. So one day they'll

2145
01:45:18,387 --> 01:45:20,467
Speaker 27: know what their mum's done, but for now they don't

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01:45:20,467 --> 01:45:20,827
Speaker 27: really care.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. Incredible career. Dame Valerie Ongoing,

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Speaker 2: your work is just amazing. As chair of the World

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Speaker 2: Athletics Athletes Commission. Enjoy your trip to Paris as a

2150
01:45:30,507 --> 01:45:32,307
Speaker 2: fan for the first time and I think, what two

2151
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Speaker 2: decades and thanks for taking the time for a chat today.

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Speaker 28: Awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

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01:45:37,387 --> 01:45:39,827
Speaker 2: No, thank you for popping in Dame bel Dame Valerie

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01:45:39,867 --> 01:45:43,747
Speaker 2: Adams our latest guest on the Road to Paris. It's

2155
01:45:43,787 --> 01:45:46,307
Speaker 2: been amazing to catch up with all of these former Olympians.

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01:45:46,947 --> 01:45:47,387
Speaker 13: Another one.

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Speaker 2: There's some great stories and insight from Dame Valerie Adams.

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Speaker 2: One more guest on the Road to Paris. Next Sunday,

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Speaker 2: just after the two o'clock news. Don't forget the news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be as an official radio partner of the upcoming

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Speaker 2: Paris Olympics and on gold Sport you will get through

2162
01:46:03,267 --> 01:46:07,587
Speaker 2: the night coverage, wall to wall commentary of Kiwi's and

2163
01:46:07,707 --> 01:46:12,987
Speaker 2: others doing amazing things at the Paris Olympic Games. Half

2164
01:46:13,027 --> 01:46:14,947
Speaker 2: past two, let's get a breakaway when we come back.

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Speaker 2: We're across the Tasman to Australia where the Black Ferns

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Speaker 2: take on Australian side this afternoon. In game two of

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01:46:20,907 --> 01:46:24,547
Speaker 2: the Lorrie O'Reilly series, Lucy Jenkins out of the Black Ferns.

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Speaker 2: Right after this.

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01:46:25,907 --> 01:46:29,267
Speaker 7: It's more than just a game. Weekends for it with

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Speaker 7: Jason Vine and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Garnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home Builder News Talks AND'B.

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Speaker 2: News Talks twenty six to three International Rugby hits Belly

2173
01:46:38,547 --> 01:46:41,547
Speaker 2: Moore and Brisbane this afternoon as the Black Ferns take

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Speaker 2: on Australia for the second time in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: to four o'clock kickoff. Among the Black Ferns reserves this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: loose forward Lucy Jenkins right for finding the hacollo and

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Speaker 2: space and now rode for Lucy Jenkins who's got plenty

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Speaker 2: of speed.

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Speaker 29: And jumps to get to the line. And Lucy Jenkins.

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Speaker 2: Lucy Jenkins weather us on Weekend Sport. Thanks for taking

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Speaker 2: the time, Lucy, your debut for New Zealand and played

2182
01:47:05,147 --> 01:47:08,347
Speaker 2: six Test matches last year. This was your first test

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. So how much you're looking forward

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01:47:10,907 --> 01:47:12,347
Speaker 2: to getting back into that black jersey.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, I'm hugely excited to get the black jersey

2186
01:47:15,627 --> 01:47:18,267
Speaker 29: back on. Obviously missed out and pact fourth probably wasn't

2187
01:47:18,267 --> 01:47:20,547
Speaker 29: playing at my best during said rugby so so it

2188
01:47:20,627 --> 01:47:24,347
Speaker 29: was understandable and yeah, worked my way back in and yeah,

2189
01:47:24,467 --> 01:47:25,027
Speaker 29: very excited.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your build up towards this afternoon's game, Lucy,

2191
01:47:27,867 --> 01:47:29,307
Speaker 2: what's the week consisted of.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, so far we've just had a couple of training days,

2193
01:47:33,547 --> 01:47:35,907
Speaker 29: but of extra rest this week. This was the travel

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01:47:36,427 --> 01:47:38,867
Speaker 29: sort thing. Cool, doing a little bit of slight thing

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01:47:38,947 --> 01:47:44,747
Speaker 29: in Brisbome, but massive training day Thursday, a bit of

2196
01:47:44,787 --> 01:47:46,987
Speaker 29: a hit out against each other and then we'll prepare

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Speaker 29: for a tough game.

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Speaker 2: So you played Australia in Albany or at Albany in May,

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Speaker 2: Blackburn's comfortable sixty seven nineteen winners that day. How do

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01:47:58,107 --> 01:48:00,587
Speaker 2: you make sure that complacency doesn't set and when you're

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Speaker 2: play an opponent you really should be quite comfortably.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, I guess we've We've got a couple of new

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01:48:06,027 --> 01:48:08,827
Speaker 29: girls in there who are ready to bring some some

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01:48:08,987 --> 01:48:13,427
Speaker 29: real energy. And yeah, I think I think we've We've

2205
01:48:13,507 --> 01:48:16,347
Speaker 29: done a lot to adapt our game and work on

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01:48:16,467 --> 01:48:17,067
Speaker 29: some things that we.

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01:48:17,107 --> 01:48:17,947
Speaker 21: Wanted to improve on.

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Speaker 29: But yeah, I think we're just really excited to get

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Speaker 29: out there and see.

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Speaker 8: What we could do.

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01:48:22,827 --> 01:48:25,547
Speaker 2: What about your own game? How much did your own

2212
01:48:25,627 --> 01:48:28,467
Speaker 2: game grow during your first experience in the black Ferns

2213
01:48:28,707 --> 01:48:29,707
Speaker 2: environment last year?

2214
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Speaker 29: Yeah, I think my games usually grew. Yeah, I think

2215
01:48:34,027 --> 01:48:37,787
Speaker 29: I've worked on my defense a lot, and yeah, I

2216
01:48:37,907 --> 01:48:40,987
Speaker 29: think just like my game understanding and how I can

2217
01:48:41,587 --> 01:48:43,107
Speaker 29: I guess I'm used to the people who I play

2218
01:48:43,147 --> 01:48:45,547
Speaker 29: with that provincial and so regular level, but just really

2219
01:48:45,587 --> 01:48:47,507
Speaker 29: adapting to playing with the new set of girls and

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Speaker 29: how I can.

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01:48:49,707 --> 01:48:50,307
Speaker 6: Play with them.

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Speaker 12: My best.

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Speaker 2: One thing a lot of people notice about the way

2224
01:48:53,267 --> 01:48:55,467
Speaker 2: you play the game is your work rate, you know,

2225
01:48:55,587 --> 01:48:57,427
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. How much do you

2226
01:48:57,547 --> 01:48:58,867
Speaker 2: pride yourself on that?

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01:48:59,987 --> 01:49:02,267
Speaker 29: Yeah? Yeah, for me, that that's kind of my certain power.

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01:49:02,347 --> 01:49:05,187
Speaker 29: That's my that's my number one. If I can do

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01:49:05,387 --> 01:49:07,547
Speaker 29: something or even if I'm coming off the bench or starting,

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01:49:07,787 --> 01:49:09,387
Speaker 29: if I can do, say to bring some energy to

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Speaker 29: the team and when they're fatigued, and how I can

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01:49:12,067 --> 01:49:14,707
Speaker 29: lift the team up. That's something I really prow myself on.

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Speaker 2: And you are among the reserves this afternoon. So as

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01:49:17,987 --> 01:49:20,267
Speaker 2: an impact player, you know, with a shorter space of

2235
01:49:20,347 --> 01:49:22,627
Speaker 2: time to impact the game, does that energy and work

2236
01:49:22,667 --> 01:49:24,667
Speaker 2: great become perhaps even more important?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say a little bit. But yeah,

2238
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Speaker 29: whether I'm playing eighty minutes or ten minutes, I think

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01:49:30,947 --> 01:49:33,467
Speaker 29: I try to bring that samely more than intense series

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Speaker 29: as much as I courss we can, so yeah, it

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Speaker 29: doesn't matter too much for me.

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01:49:36,827 --> 01:49:39,227
Speaker 2: Has the balance that you strike between working on defense

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01:49:39,267 --> 01:49:42,027
Speaker 2: and working on attack also improved during your time with

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Speaker 2: the Blackfnds.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, I really love like I've always loved attack, but

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01:49:47,587 --> 01:49:50,107
Speaker 29: for me defenses. Yeah, it's a massive opportunity to get

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01:49:50,147 --> 01:49:52,587
Speaker 29: the ball back and if I can add my line

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01:49:52,667 --> 01:49:55,707
Speaker 29: speed and really shut down defense, that has something I

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Speaker 29: really enjoy these days.

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Speaker 2: I read that you watched the twenty twenty two World

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01:50:00,187 --> 01:50:02,547
Speaker 2: Cup Final from the stands of Eden Park with a

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01:50:02,667 --> 01:50:05,907
Speaker 2: dramatic win for the Black Fans over England. Watching that,

2253
01:50:06,027 --> 01:50:08,667
Speaker 2: how much to that motivate you to push for the

2254
01:50:08,707 --> 01:50:11,227
Speaker 2: black jersey yourself in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, it was huge for me. I mean I've I've

2256
01:50:14,587 --> 01:50:17,227
Speaker 29: wanted a black jersey since I was about Stephen, So yeah,

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01:50:17,347 --> 01:50:19,747
Speaker 29: it definitely feeled me a little bit. But just like

2258
01:50:19,907 --> 01:50:22,867
Speaker 29: having videos of like the crowd and it was, yeah,

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01:50:22,867 --> 01:50:25,187
Speaker 29: it was. It was an amazing experience to be there

2260
01:50:25,227 --> 01:50:28,347
Speaker 29: and watch them win it. So yeah, it was cuddainly motivating.

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Speaker 2: And talking of big occasions, the Black Ferns will play

2262
01:50:31,147 --> 01:50:34,547
Speaker 2: England at Twickenham in September, set to be a sell

2263
01:50:34,587 --> 01:50:37,707
Speaker 2: out there, another historic occasion. How keen are you to

2264
01:50:37,787 --> 01:50:38,587
Speaker 2: be involved in that?

2265
01:50:39,547 --> 01:50:39,787
Speaker 12: Yeah?

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01:50:39,827 --> 01:50:42,947
Speaker 29: Oh, that would be an absolute dream for me, someone

2267
01:50:42,987 --> 01:50:44,907
Speaker 29: who Yeah, I've been involved in working since I was

2268
01:50:44,907 --> 01:50:48,267
Speaker 29: about four years old, So yeah, Twickenham's a pretty big one,

2269
01:50:48,427 --> 01:50:51,707
Speaker 29: so yeah, that'll be an awesome opportunity if I could

2270
01:50:51,827 --> 01:50:52,147
Speaker 29: be there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, in the meantime, all the best

2272
01:50:54,347 --> 01:50:56,307
Speaker 2: of this afternoon. Does the Black Ferns take on Australia.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time, Lucy, good to jet, Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, Thank you, Lucy, Lucy Jenkins. There the

2275
01:51:01,387 --> 01:51:05,067
Speaker 2: Black Ferns against Australia and Brisbane at four o'clock this afternoon,

2276
01:51:05,107 --> 01:51:08,067
Speaker 2: New Zealand time, it's twenty two to three. We'll get

2277
01:51:08,107 --> 01:51:10,827
Speaker 2: you to the UK and preview the euro Finals shortly

2278
01:51:10,987 --> 01:51:13,987
Speaker 2: after three o'clock on the Weekend Collective. It is a

2279
01:51:14,067 --> 01:51:17,067
Speaker 2: politics hour to start and it will mainly focus on

2280
01:51:17,187 --> 01:51:23,827
Speaker 2: the events at Donald Trump's Pennsylvanian rally today a reported

2281
01:51:23,987 --> 01:51:29,067
Speaker 2: attempted assassination. One attendee has died, two are in critical condition.

2282
01:51:29,187 --> 01:51:32,507
Speaker 2: The alleged shooter, who shot from a shed about sixty

2283
01:51:32,627 --> 01:51:38,347
Speaker 2: meters away is also dead. And there's obviously lots more

2284
01:51:38,387 --> 01:51:40,507
Speaker 2: to come on this. Rather than me try and summarize

2285
01:51:40,507 --> 01:51:42,987
Speaker 2: it in a short period of time after three o'clock

2286
01:51:43,467 --> 01:51:45,987
Speaker 2: with the Weekend Collective, Tyler Adams and the chair will

2287
01:51:45,987 --> 01:51:47,627
Speaker 2: get you to the US. A lot more to come

2288
01:51:48,027 --> 01:51:50,667
Speaker 2: on this developing story when we come back though. A

2289
01:51:50,747 --> 01:51:53,187
Speaker 2: preview of the Euro Final England v Spain.

2290
01:51:53,507 --> 01:51:55,587
Speaker 7: From Penrose to Paris.

2291
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Speaker 1: You like to call on eighty ten eighty Weekends fort

2292
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Speaker 1: with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnolmes, New Zealand's most trusted

2293
01:52:04,667 --> 01:52:06,227
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2294
01:52:06,547 --> 01:52:09,307
Speaker 2: Two forty two. The Final of Euro twenty twenty four

2295
01:52:09,427 --> 01:52:12,307
Speaker 2: seven o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand Time, England v Spain

2296
01:52:12,547 --> 01:52:17,107
Speaker 2: in Berlin. Dominic Fifield is commissioning editor at the Athletic

2297
01:52:17,187 --> 01:52:20,747
Speaker 2: Football and hugely experienced sports rider. He joined us to

2298
01:52:20,827 --> 01:52:24,107
Speaker 2: preview this one, dom Are you in any way able

2299
01:52:24,227 --> 01:52:28,347
Speaker 2: to succinctly sum up England run to the final?

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01:52:31,507 --> 01:52:31,747
Speaker 13: Well?

2301
01:52:32,707 --> 01:52:36,947
Speaker 30: Start started slowly and have been improving steadily along the way,

2302
01:52:37,107 --> 01:52:44,387
Speaker 30: but some good thoughts as well, admittedly, but belief is growing.

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01:52:44,427 --> 01:52:46,707
Speaker 13: I mean, look, it's they weren't impressive in the group.

2304
01:52:46,747 --> 01:52:49,227
Speaker 30: We know that Serbia they beat Denmark, they were lucky

2305
01:52:49,347 --> 01:52:53,347
Speaker 30: to get the draw against Slovakia or Slovenia at that

2306
01:52:53,427 --> 01:52:55,187
Speaker 30: point where that was a goalless draw and it was

2307
01:52:55,227 --> 01:52:59,587
Speaker 30: pretty turgid stuff. But then you take the Slovakia game

2308
01:52:59,627 --> 01:53:02,827
Speaker 30: in the last sixteen when you know, when you equalize

2309
01:53:02,827 --> 01:53:05,267
Speaker 30: in the ninety fifth minute with a bicycle kick from

2310
01:53:05,347 --> 01:53:08,427
Speaker 30: Duke Bellingham and then score again earlier and extra time,

2311
01:53:09,067 --> 01:53:11,787
Speaker 30: you start wondering whether your name's on the trophy and

2312
01:53:11,867 --> 01:53:14,027
Speaker 30: whether luck's going to turn to you this time. And

2313
01:53:14,067 --> 01:53:18,987
Speaker 30: then with the Swiss likewise going behind late on equalizing

2314
01:53:19,027 --> 01:53:23,947
Speaker 30: with a fantastic golf from Bacayatsuka and then prevailing really

2315
01:53:24,067 --> 01:53:25,707
Speaker 30: in the penalty shootout, and I have to say that's

2316
01:53:25,707 --> 01:53:29,227
Speaker 30: the first time in my life and I'm almost fifty

2317
01:53:29,507 --> 01:53:32,147
Speaker 30: where I've seen England going into a penalty shootout and

2318
01:53:32,147 --> 01:53:34,827
Speaker 30: I've been utterly convinced that Englam are going to prevail.

2319
01:53:34,907 --> 01:53:37,307
Speaker 30: They were going to win that penalty shooter. And I

2320
01:53:37,387 --> 01:53:41,507
Speaker 30: think that it's little things like that that actually demonstrates

2321
01:53:42,107 --> 01:53:46,107
Speaker 30: the Gareth Southgate effect over this last six years at

2322
01:53:46,147 --> 01:53:49,147
Speaker 30: the helm Ory, eight years at the Helm Sorry, it's

2323
01:53:49,267 --> 01:53:52,227
Speaker 30: really since the Russian World Cup in twenty eighteen, there's

2324
01:53:52,227 --> 01:53:54,227
Speaker 30: a belief they're getting better.

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01:53:54,387 --> 01:53:58,347
Speaker 13: There, there's a depth of quality and I think we'll

2326
01:53:58,427 --> 01:53:59,027
Speaker 13: go into this.

2327
01:53:59,107 --> 01:54:03,667
Speaker 30: Final tomorrow not favorites, not favorites, but with a very

2328
01:54:03,707 --> 01:54:06,307
Speaker 30: good chance of finally ending that draft.

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01:54:06,907 --> 01:54:10,027
Speaker 2: If they are to do that, which England players are

2330
01:54:10,187 --> 01:54:11,027
Speaker 2: most important.

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Speaker 30: Well, that's a really good question because I think instinctively

2332
01:54:17,507 --> 01:54:20,827
Speaker 30: you say Phil Foden and Due Bellingham, but actually they've

2333
01:54:20,867 --> 01:54:25,867
Speaker 30: only fired in fits and starts in this tournament. I

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Speaker 30: thought Foden was excellent in the last game in the

2335
01:54:29,187 --> 01:54:32,387
Speaker 30: semi final, played really really well against the Dutch in

2336
01:54:32,427 --> 01:54:34,507
Speaker 30: the first half and then came off midway through the

2337
01:54:34,507 --> 01:54:35,027
Speaker 30: second half.

2338
01:54:35,587 --> 01:54:37,987
Speaker 13: Bellingham has come up with some timely moments, but.

2339
01:54:41,267 --> 01:54:43,947
Speaker 30: I think he's actually he hasn't quite looked at his

2340
01:54:44,067 --> 01:54:46,107
Speaker 30: best and I think you could probably argue he hasn't

2341
01:54:46,107 --> 01:54:47,987
Speaker 30: looked at his best at club level either any since

2342
01:54:48,027 --> 01:54:50,347
Speaker 30: the turn of the year, So maybe that's a fatigue

2343
01:54:50,347 --> 01:54:52,547
Speaker 30: factor after a massive, massive year in his career.

2344
01:54:53,827 --> 01:54:56,227
Speaker 13: But if I was to pinpoint players have to thrive.

2345
01:54:57,627 --> 01:55:00,947
Speaker 30: The key to beating Spain, I'm sure is disrupting that

2346
01:55:01,067 --> 01:55:06,107
Speaker 30: midfield is stopping from Rodery from dictating the player, making

2347
01:55:06,147 --> 01:55:09,507
Speaker 30: sure the partnership in there is is not working as

2348
01:55:09,547 --> 01:55:11,947
Speaker 30: it has been so so brilliant, because if you just

2349
01:55:12,107 --> 01:55:17,107
Speaker 30: front Rodery then they're danger man up front Yamar Williams.

2350
01:55:18,467 --> 01:55:18,747
Speaker 7: Elmer.

2351
01:55:19,307 --> 01:55:22,747
Speaker 30: They they won't get the ball, they won't be able

2352
01:55:22,787 --> 01:55:27,587
Speaker 30: to define the space to hurt England. So in that respect,

2353
01:55:27,667 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 30: I would say that deck and Rice has to has

2354
01:55:30,347 --> 01:55:32,307
Speaker 30: to be at this swarming best.

2355
01:55:32,387 --> 01:55:32,747
Speaker 13: He has to.

2356
01:55:33,067 --> 01:55:35,067
Speaker 30: He's run more than anybody else at this tournament, but

2357
01:55:35,107 --> 01:55:38,227
Speaker 30: he's going to have another really, really busy night in Berlin.

2358
01:55:38,747 --> 01:55:41,867
Speaker 30: I think Cobby Mayne has got to be all over

2359
01:55:41,987 --> 01:55:45,907
Speaker 30: that midfield's got to dominate. And whoever joins in that

2360
01:55:46,067 --> 01:55:50,067
Speaker 30: midfield from the back, whether that be John Stones, Mark

2361
01:55:50,187 --> 01:55:53,347
Speaker 30: Gay or one of the fullbacks, Kyle Walker pushing in

2362
01:55:53,507 --> 01:55:56,347
Speaker 30: here and Trip here, whoever plays, they've.

2363
01:55:56,267 --> 01:55:58,267
Speaker 13: Just got to They've just got to prevail there.

2364
01:55:58,307 --> 01:55:59,947
Speaker 30: They've got to hold sway in the middle because if

2365
01:55:59,947 --> 01:56:03,227
Speaker 30: they do that, they have a chance because they will

2366
01:56:03,267 --> 01:56:07,707
Speaker 30: stop Spain playing and maybe maybe some of their own

2367
01:56:07,747 --> 01:56:13,227
Speaker 30: individual talents up top Foden Bellingham, Caine Sucker will come to.

2368
01:56:13,267 --> 01:56:14,627
Speaker 13: The foe and hurt them.

2369
01:56:15,187 --> 01:56:20,027
Speaker 2: How big a three do Spain President, Oh, you only have.

2370
01:56:20,067 --> 01:56:22,787
Speaker 13: To look at their performances over the tournament. They won

2371
01:56:22,827 --> 01:56:23,467
Speaker 13: all their games.

2372
01:56:23,747 --> 01:56:25,907
Speaker 30: No one's ever done that before a euros of They're

2373
01:56:25,987 --> 01:56:30,427
Speaker 30: going through the entire tournament winning every match, they've got.

2374
01:56:30,587 --> 01:56:33,867
Speaker 30: I think he's seventeen now, Yamal isn't he's He's just seventeen,

2375
01:56:33,907 --> 01:56:37,587
Speaker 30: but my word, he plays like he's been playing for years.

2376
01:56:37,987 --> 01:56:43,147
Speaker 30: The kid is his quality. He's providing chances. He's scored

2377
01:56:43,187 --> 01:56:49,027
Speaker 30: a wonderful, wonderful goal against the French. He's a real

2378
01:56:49,107 --> 01:56:53,947
Speaker 30: talent at Barcelona and illuminating this tournament. Danny Olmo, I

2379
01:56:53,987 --> 01:56:57,187
Speaker 30: think has been excellent in that number ten role. He's

2380
01:56:57,267 --> 01:56:59,067
Speaker 30: come up with three guys himself. He's up there with

2381
01:56:59,107 --> 01:57:03,627
Speaker 30: the Golden Boot potentially with Harry Kane and numerous others

2382
01:57:03,627 --> 01:57:05,987
Speaker 30: since he has strangely changed the rules over night on

2383
01:57:06,027 --> 01:57:11,427
Speaker 30: that one. But and Nica Williams is just he's lightning quick.

2384
01:57:11,547 --> 01:57:13,827
Speaker 30: So they've got They've got an attacking threat and a

2385
01:57:13,947 --> 01:57:17,107
Speaker 30: depth as well. I think there they probably lack a

2386
01:57:17,227 --> 01:57:20,787
Speaker 30: world class center forward, which is probably cu now for

2387
01:57:21,827 --> 01:57:24,147
Speaker 30: Marata to score at Hatchrick in the final. But but

2388
01:57:24,587 --> 01:57:26,787
Speaker 30: I mean, I think if England, England will hope that

2389
01:57:26,827 --> 01:57:29,227
Speaker 30: the Alvarra Marata that leads the line for Spain is

2390
01:57:29,227 --> 01:57:34,267
Speaker 30: the Ala Morata that underwhelmed at Chelsea, as opposed to

2391
01:57:34,347 --> 01:57:37,387
Speaker 30: the player that actually has got a decent goals plick

2392
01:57:37,427 --> 01:57:39,347
Speaker 30: game record and most of the leagues he's played in

2393
01:57:39,387 --> 01:57:40,387
Speaker 30: apart from the Premier League.

2394
01:57:41,547 --> 01:57:43,587
Speaker 13: I think that they're slightly short there. And I think

2395
01:57:44,867 --> 01:57:46,027
Speaker 13: you can disrupt Rodery.

2396
01:57:46,507 --> 01:57:48,627
Speaker 30: I mean mainly did a wonderful job doing that in

2397
01:57:48,747 --> 01:57:50,147
Speaker 30: the f A Cup Final at the end of the

2398
01:57:50,187 --> 01:57:52,227
Speaker 30: season for Manchester United against Manchester City.

2399
01:57:53,067 --> 01:57:54,747
Speaker 13: So there is a bit of previous there. There is

2400
01:57:54,827 --> 01:57:55,267
Speaker 13: some hope.

2401
01:57:55,627 --> 01:57:58,947
Speaker 30: You look at the quality and logic says that Spain

2402
01:57:58,987 --> 01:58:01,587
Speaker 30: should win it, but actually I just feel there's this

2403
01:58:01,707 --> 01:58:05,187
Speaker 30: build up of belief around England and and I think

2404
01:58:05,227 --> 01:58:08,227
Speaker 30: they've they've learned the experience from from losing three years

2405
01:58:08,227 --> 01:58:10,827
Speaker 30: ago in the final to Italy. We have to remember

2406
01:58:10,867 --> 01:58:13,307
Speaker 30: that Spain haven't been in a major final for twelve years.

2407
01:58:13,387 --> 01:58:18,707
Speaker 30: It's quite a long time for for a squad a

2408
01:58:18,907 --> 01:58:22,587
Speaker 30: nation of that such football talent, and maybe maybe that

2409
01:58:22,707 --> 01:58:25,387
Speaker 30: experience can help England, maybe that maybe they can call

2410
01:58:25,467 --> 01:58:28,307
Speaker 30: upon that. I think they they really have been summoning

2411
01:58:28,427 --> 01:58:31,387
Speaker 30: that to get through the tighter moments of the tournament

2412
01:58:31,467 --> 01:58:32,867
Speaker 30: so far, and they're going to need to do that

2413
01:58:32,987 --> 01:58:35,547
Speaker 30: again in Berlin on the on the final evening.

2414
01:58:35,947 --> 01:58:38,427
Speaker 2: Dom do we have any clarity about England manager Gareth

2415
01:58:38,507 --> 01:58:41,107
Speaker 2: Southgate's future beyond this match when all those.

2416
01:58:42,627 --> 01:58:44,707
Speaker 30: Well, not really before the tournament began, he said that

2417
01:58:45,227 --> 01:58:47,987
Speaker 30: he intimated that if if even won the tournament, he

2418
01:58:48,307 --> 01:58:49,867
Speaker 30: probably step aside.

2419
01:58:51,787 --> 01:58:54,467
Speaker 13: His contract expires at the end of this year calendar year.

2420
01:58:56,707 --> 01:58:59,907
Speaker 30: The FA have since A few stories were written this

2421
01:58:59,987 --> 01:59:02,867
Speaker 30: week suggesting that the FA would would definitely go to

2422
01:59:03,027 --> 01:59:06,027
Speaker 30: him and try and persuade to stay on, regardless of

2423
01:59:06,067 --> 01:59:08,187
Speaker 30: the res out in Berlin, and I think there's a

2424
01:59:08,227 --> 01:59:11,547
Speaker 30: logic to that. I think it's really strange. I mean,

2425
01:59:12,107 --> 01:59:16,347
Speaker 30: the perception of Southgate has shifted again. I think there

2426
01:59:16,347 --> 01:59:19,467
Speaker 30: were appeers in this in this tournament, not least when

2427
01:59:20,027 --> 01:59:23,667
Speaker 30: he was being people were pelting him with empty beer glasses,

2428
01:59:24,147 --> 01:59:25,067
Speaker 30: plastic beer glasses.

2429
01:59:25,107 --> 01:59:28,187
Speaker 13: You should be said again. After Slovenia and then the

2430
01:59:28,227 --> 01:59:30,227
Speaker 13: Gulls drawed, it was it was fairly ugly.

2431
01:59:31,467 --> 01:59:33,547
Speaker 30: I think people would felt that he would have the

2432
01:59:33,627 --> 01:59:36,747
Speaker 30: handbrake on the team, that the talents that we see

2433
01:59:36,787 --> 01:59:38,627
Speaker 30: thriving in the Premier League each week weren't being able

2434
01:59:38,667 --> 01:59:39,587
Speaker 30: to express themselves.

2435
01:59:39,627 --> 01:59:41,507
Speaker 13: I didn't like the selections.

2436
01:59:42,907 --> 01:59:45,187
Speaker 30: They thought there was a bit of blind faith with

2437
01:59:45,307 --> 01:59:48,227
Speaker 30: people like Caine who didn't appear to be functioning at

2438
01:59:48,267 --> 01:59:52,667
Speaker 30: full throttle and that there was a period where it

2439
01:59:52,787 --> 01:59:54,427
Speaker 30: was getting a bit dicey, and I think England went

2440
01:59:54,467 --> 01:59:56,907
Speaker 30: into proper siege mentality mode at that at that stage

2441
01:59:57,467 --> 01:59:59,867
Speaker 30: started suggesting the world was against him, and it worked

2442
01:59:59,907 --> 02:00:01,707
Speaker 30: for them. That sort of seemed to get them through

2443
02:00:01,787 --> 02:00:04,987
Speaker 30: that to shrug themselves awake and get back into some

2444
02:00:05,107 --> 02:00:08,027
Speaker 30: kind of rhythm in the tourn But I think that

2445
02:00:08,067 --> 02:00:12,707
Speaker 30: would have hurt Southgate hearing that and seeing that amongst

2446
02:00:12,947 --> 02:00:15,587
Speaker 30: the supporters of media. You know, he doesn't worry so

2447
02:00:15,667 --> 02:00:18,587
Speaker 30: much about the media, and I think but actually the

2448
02:00:18,667 --> 02:00:21,987
Speaker 30: groundswell now is he's been vindicated. I mean, everything he's

2449
02:00:22,027 --> 02:00:23,707
Speaker 30: done in the last few games has come off the

2450
02:00:23,747 --> 02:00:26,467
Speaker 30: substitutions he's made, the timing of them, the way they

2451
02:00:26,587 --> 02:00:30,267
Speaker 30: prepared for penalties, the unity within the group and the squad,

2452
02:00:30,347 --> 02:00:32,747
Speaker 30: and the fact that people seem to be getting behind

2453
02:00:32,827 --> 02:00:36,187
Speaker 30: him and backing him and they are getting results. And

2454
02:00:36,387 --> 02:00:38,827
Speaker 30: he is the only England manager that has taken England

2455
02:00:38,867 --> 02:00:42,587
Speaker 30: to two major finals and you know, and three he's

2456
02:00:42,627 --> 02:00:45,347
Speaker 30: reached three semi finals in four major tournaments in charge

2457
02:00:45,387 --> 02:00:48,107
Speaker 30: and the others at quarter in Katar and he actually

2458
02:00:48,147 --> 02:00:50,747
Speaker 30: look at his record and it's amazing.

2459
02:00:50,827 --> 02:00:53,387
Speaker 13: It's brilliant. I mean it's tournament football at its best.

2460
02:00:53,587 --> 02:00:56,227
Speaker 30: The Blaker's got so much experience as a player and

2461
02:00:56,347 --> 02:00:57,907
Speaker 30: as a manager in tournaments.

2462
02:00:57,987 --> 02:01:01,747
Speaker 13: He just knows how to find a way through. The

2463
02:01:01,827 --> 02:01:03,227
Speaker 13: next thing he's got to do is win one.

2464
02:01:03,267 --> 02:01:05,307
Speaker 30: And if he does, and he'll have a choice, I

2465
02:01:05,387 --> 02:01:08,227
Speaker 30: think there'll be a real clamor for him to stay

2466
02:01:08,307 --> 02:01:10,907
Speaker 30: on for the twenty twenty six World Cup in the

2467
02:01:11,027 --> 02:01:14,427
Speaker 30: United States, Mexico and Canada. I think people will want

2468
02:01:14,587 --> 02:01:18,227
Speaker 30: to see him in charge, and you know it's but

2469
02:01:18,347 --> 02:01:19,867
Speaker 30: he may look at it and think, well, what more

2470
02:01:19,907 --> 02:01:20,227
Speaker 30: can I do?

2471
02:01:20,307 --> 02:01:22,667
Speaker 13: I've won as a trophy and I've got an impackable record.

2472
02:01:23,187 --> 02:01:24,187
Speaker 13: Maybe now is the time.

2473
02:01:24,227 --> 02:01:27,387
Speaker 30: Maybe his stock will be high at that point and

2474
02:01:27,427 --> 02:01:28,627
Speaker 30: he might be able to get a club job, or

2475
02:01:28,707 --> 02:01:31,387
Speaker 30: might just be able to go off into the sunset

2476
02:01:31,827 --> 02:01:34,827
Speaker 30: a happy man. I think he's been wonderful for England,

2477
02:01:35,267 --> 02:01:38,947
Speaker 30: wonderful in the context of taking up the range in

2478
02:01:38,987 --> 02:01:41,587
Speaker 30: twenty sixteen in very difficult circumstances.

2479
02:01:41,027 --> 02:01:42,627
Speaker 13: With the national team in a very low EBB.

2480
02:01:43,147 --> 02:01:45,467
Speaker 30: But if you look in the last eight years as

2481
02:01:45,507 --> 02:01:47,547
Speaker 30: to what has happened in the world, let alone in

2482
02:01:47,707 --> 02:01:51,547
Speaker 30: justin England. What he's navigated, the sort of sense of

2483
02:01:51,587 --> 02:01:54,947
Speaker 30: reassurance that he's provided with the way he has spoken

2484
02:01:55,147 --> 02:01:56,787
Speaker 30: or the way he has behaved or the way he

2485
02:01:56,867 --> 02:01:58,907
Speaker 30: has coached the team, and the success he's gleaned for

2486
02:01:58,947 --> 02:02:01,587
Speaker 30: the team at a time when we've gone through COVID,

2487
02:02:01,627 --> 02:02:06,027
Speaker 30: we've gone through political upheaval in this country and disenchantment,

2488
02:02:06,507 --> 02:02:09,907
Speaker 30: you know, societal problems. Garre Southgate has actually been the

2489
02:02:10,067 --> 02:02:13,067
Speaker 30: source of reassurance for us all and I think we

2490
02:02:13,147 --> 02:02:16,107
Speaker 30: will properly miss him if he goes. He is, he's

2491
02:02:16,187 --> 02:02:18,667
Speaker 30: been that significant. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't

2492
02:02:18,707 --> 02:02:21,347
Speaker 30: end this tournament with a knighthood at the very very.

2493
02:02:21,307 --> 02:02:24,347
Speaker 2: Least wonderful to get your analysis, Don, Thanks so much

2494
02:02:24,347 --> 02:02:26,067
Speaker 2: for joining us across New Zealand. Mate. I hope the

2495
02:02:26,147 --> 02:02:28,587
Speaker 2: game goes the way you and your countrymen and women

2496
02:02:28,707 --> 02:02:31,147
Speaker 2: hope it does, and look forward to catching up again

2497
02:02:31,187 --> 02:02:31,747
Speaker 2: sometime soon.

2498
02:02:32,587 --> 02:02:34,387
Speaker 13: I'll just hope he goes better on the rugby game.

2499
02:02:34,667 --> 02:02:35,467
Speaker 13: Let's see how it goes.

2500
02:02:35,627 --> 02:02:38,507
Speaker 2: It's all the best next yeah, well, if your sake,

2501
02:02:38,547 --> 02:02:40,547
Speaker 2: I hope it does go better than the rugby seven

2502
02:02:40,587 --> 02:02:42,827
Speaker 2: and a half away from three Dominic Fifield out of

2503
02:02:42,867 --> 02:02:43,787
Speaker 2: the Athletic.

2504
02:02:43,467 --> 02:02:47,067
Speaker 7: In the UK, breaking down the Hail Mary's and the

2505
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Speaker 7: epic fails.

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