1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Now it looks like any decision on whether to ban 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: greyhound racing or not as a while away. Yet The 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Racing Minister appeared before before a Select committee as part 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: of scrutiny week this morning has said he would make 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: a call by the end of the year, but not 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: to hold him to that. Deputy Prime Ministan Racing Minister 7 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: Winston Peters is with us now evening. Winston, why is 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: it taking so long to make a call. 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Because we had at the end of the last decade 10 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: the Handsome Report which was very informative as to what 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: was going on, and the industry was then unnotice and 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: I've come back and the last six months we've been 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: monitoring things very very carefully, watching what is happening and 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: getting further updates and we will make the call when 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: we have a clear view that is sustainable in a 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: court of law as the right decision where they will 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: make such a decision. 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Is there a possibility that if it was to be 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: banned the industry would sue the government, well with. 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: Possibility if he got the process wrong and it was 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: an adequate you could be called to account for that. 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: We do not want that. We waste of taxpayers money right. 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Are you saying, because they've been put on notice, they've 24 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: been given a chance to improve. If they show signs 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: of improvement, you can't do it. So are they showing 26 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: signs of improvement? 27 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, again, one has got to be neutral about this. 28 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: I've got people surveying seen on a weekly basis finding 29 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: out what is happening and whether they're improvements. And in 30 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: a time very soon, you know, the next few months, 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: will have a very clear picture and nowhere we should 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: make and what we should do with this industry. 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Do you watch the sport? 34 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: I can't say that I have. Well I do remember 35 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: the American expression of going to the dogs, which is 36 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: that what it means? 37 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, fair enough. Hey, what happened to the 38 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: threat to defund the sports bodies that include transgender women 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: at the community level? 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: Not a threat? There was a coalition agreement, an announcement 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: made over six months ago. So what we expected in 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: terms of fairness for women and girls in this country 43 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: when they came to sport ruling anybody out and they 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: want to have their own sport amongst themselves, fine, but 45 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: when it comes to safety and on the question of fairness, 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 2: where they get very clear. We want to ensure that 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: the sport that people play in is not preferentially treated 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: because someone has a biological advantage unfairly over the other 49 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: contestants who are female. 50 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: Right, So let me get this right. So the threat 51 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: to defund was only if they were not making sure 52 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: it was safe and fair. Yes, but only twenty nine 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: percent of them are actually doing something about the seventy 54 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: one percent of the sports haven't even addressed it yet, 55 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: they're busy thinking about it. Is that good enough? 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Well, look, it's been a rather busy time and the 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: ego economies in trouble. As we know, people are hard 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: up against it, and so you can see why they 59 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: might be delayed. But we made it very clear very 60 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: beginning what we expected and we believe that that is 61 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: the only fear logical and reasonable thing to expect, particularly 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: when taxpayers money is being used. 63 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: How long have they got before they are in trouble 64 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: with you guys? 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: Well, I say, and also the minister Bishop has also 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: made this expression that we're closely monitoring developments and then 67 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: we will see how things are. 68 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: Have you communicated to them how long they've gone? 69 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know what a thought that when you got 70 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: information at the foremast of the last government, and that 71 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: was clear that you would start addressing those issues. And 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: so we'll be asking them, so what have you done? If, 73 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: of course there have not been occasions in their sport 74 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: where that has happened, it won't be concerned to them. 75 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: Can you point to any example, Winston, that you can 76 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: think of where you think that transgender I mean women, 77 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: transgender young kids playing against others is an unsafe thing 78 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: at the moment? 79 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, I can refer to the loyal hublitase we call 80 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: how people were right out raised at the unfairness. 81 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: Of that, but that was an illegal. 82 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: Well, yes, but they all had a level as sooner 83 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: or later. And it doesn't matter whether it's happening in 84 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: the school playground at a certain age. If a person 85 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: is going to be unfairly injured because some compareditor has 86 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: gott wet a biological strength who should not be on 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: the same sports field, then it's time, surely in the 88 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: interest of parents and fairness to act. 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, hey, listen, we should buy plane. Shouldn't we 90 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: should buy a couple of planes. We're at that stage now, 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: aren't we. 92 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: Let me say that. The reason why, in my view 93 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: and it's just my view, but having us experts both 94 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: here and internationally, while that plane is not performing as 95 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: they say, it's not being used media enough, and we 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: should have been doing that and making sure we're looking 97 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: after this equipment. I know, thirty years old, but look, 98 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: we've got other planes that were flying around must longer 99 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: than that. There would be in museums elsewhere, and we're 100 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: still flying them. Our point is to get this thing 101 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: sorted out, so you've sort of inherit. A drag has 102 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: been happening for some time and it shouldn't go on. 103 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: I just feel pretty sorry for the Prime Minister, but 104 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: particularly his guests on that plane. You've got to make 105 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: alterns of arrangement. 106 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I'll give you some numbers though, right, So, 107 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: maintaining these two planes at the moment is costing us 108 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: thirty five million bucks a year. You can buy a 109 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: plane for thirty five million bucks a year, So just 110 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: from a financial perspective, it would be smarter for us 111 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: to ditch these and just buy new ones, wouldn't it. 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: Well, the real question is why are these planes not performing? 113 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: Why are simple things going wrong? And we need to 114 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: get to the bottom of that now. I'll get a 115 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: few sort of independent experts and people who I look us. 116 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: Talking to a very wealthy USUM businessman in Singapore recently 117 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: on this very issue. He's got the same plane and 118 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: he said, wants to make no mistake, they're not using 119 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: it enough. That's why it's not working the way that should. 120 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: It's never got a fault. 121 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Did you ask him if he could buy us a plane? 122 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: I didn't, and that's because, let me tell you whether 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: I haven't got authority to make that sort of request. 124 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: We don't do those those things. We're an experienced position. 125 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: We don't live that way. 126 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: You look to gift horse in the mouth if he's 127 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: a rich, rich guy living in Singapore and might be 128 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: able to help us out. Hey, thank you very much, Winston, 129 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: look after yourself. Enjoy the evening. It's Winston Peter's racing minister. 130 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: We're at that stage, aren't we. We've got to ask 131 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: wealthy experts if they could spring us a plane because 132 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: we can't do it ourselves. For more from Hither Duplessy 133 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: Allen Drive. Listen live to news talks. 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