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Speaker 2: Hello there you, good afternoon, Welcome and to the Saturday

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Speaker 2: edition of Weekend Sport. Mian November November sixteen to be precise,

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday to fort All Blacks captain Andy Dalton, to

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Speaker 2: and to Paul Skulls on a lineup of Birthday November sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine. Show producer is Andy McDonald. We're with

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Speaker 2: you until three o'clock this afternoon. Tim Southey is with

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Speaker 2: us after one after a seventeen year international career. He'll

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Speaker 2: among our all time greats. Looking forward to chatting with

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Speaker 2: Tim Southy after one o'clock this afternoon. Letting us off

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Speaker 2: today though All blacksby France ten past nine tomorrow morning, Paris,

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Speaker 2: France based rugby journalist Ian Borthwick with us to preview

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Speaker 2: this one shortly. Your thoughts are of course encouraged on

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Speaker 2: this test match as well. I really want to know

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Speaker 2: it in some way a bit of a free hit

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Speaker 2: that's a good result where we've won two, So it

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Speaker 2: Chair of World Rugby. First time the Chair of World

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Speaker 2: with us after two Speaking of Australians, the AFL Pacific

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

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Speaker 3: Full time for the first time.

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Speaker 4: The All Blacks Blues the Rugby World Cup poor match

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Speaker 4: who then lost it to the tune of sixteen points

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Speaker 4: Who the World Cup favorites are now are compelling singing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the last time the All Blacks played France,

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Speaker 2: after nine New Zealand time. Full commentary here on news

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Speaker 2: Talks eNB with the voice he just heard Elliot Smithgregor

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Speaker 2: Northern Tour for this year, Let's bring in hugely experienced

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Speaker 2: France based rugby author and journalist Ian Borthwick. He's covered

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Speaker 2: so he know it's the French team pretty well. Ian,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. First of all, how different is

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Speaker 5: He remains very, very down to earth, very sort of

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Speaker 5: That they've they've been very they've been very strong and

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Speaker 5: they've bought they've built a very strong platform for France

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Speaker 5: Gante has worked very very hard on their their scrum,

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Speaker 5: The hooker, obviously, he's I think one of the All

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Speaker 5: He's on fire at the moment. And the and the

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Speaker 5: it's kind of France's Polynesian contingent, especially in the in

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Speaker 5: that massive weight that they both carry could count against them.

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Speaker 5: And I think maybe the All Black pack will show

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Speaker 5: the French packer is.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the fifty two to twelve went over Japan

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Speaker 5: Ian, We can't take a lot of it. I don't

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Speaker 5: we just talk about this tour, they've just had four

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Speaker 5: to strength in those games against very strong teams England

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Speaker 5: but they only had fifty one percent of the possession.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating Test and prospect really appreciate your analysis and insight.

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Speaker 2: Ian Thanks indeed, for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Okay, then thanks for calling.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you for answering Ian Indeed, Ian Borthwick, there

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Speaker 2: I think it's that. I think I think now i'd

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Speaker 2: You've won the quarter, you've won the semi, now win

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Speaker 2: MB twelve thirty News Talks. They be talking All Blacks v. France,

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Speaker 2: our expectations, you know, whether they've changed with the wins

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Speaker 8: Yeah, hello, Finally, Well, there could have been anywhere between

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Speaker 8: I think the All Blacks need to execute the coup

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Speaker 2: Was everything you were saying just leading up to you

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Speaker 8: There, great, Well you got to expect something a bit

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, did you. I was just trying to remember back.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I have to say, isn't it fantastic to

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Speaker 2: I do like the I do like the nine o'clock kickoffs.

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Speaker 10: You get a piney?

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Speaker 11: Excellent, Yes, yes, much better time, much better time to

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Speaker 11: get up and watch the game.

432
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Speaker 2: I think so, I think so.

433
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Speaker 6: Yes.

434
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Speaker 11: Yeah. Interesting listening to the interview with n Bars work. Yeah,

435
00:23:56,907 --> 00:23:59,307
Speaker 11: always great to listen to the people you bring on,

436
00:23:59,427 --> 00:24:01,267
Speaker 11: you know, to talk to and do these interviews with.

437
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Speaker 11: I don't think it'll be I don't think it'll be

438
00:24:05,827 --> 00:24:08,907
Speaker 11: like we ga arded as a free pass, like you

439
00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:11,267
Speaker 11: were saying, because I possibly we looked upon in that

440
00:24:11,347 --> 00:24:15,507
Speaker 11: way because of one of the like he said, you know,

441
00:24:15,667 --> 00:24:18,467
Speaker 11: we I thought we were lucky to win that English

442
00:24:18,507 --> 00:24:21,067
Speaker 11: game and that could have we could have easily lost that.

443
00:24:21,267 --> 00:24:25,707
Speaker 11: So I think that's one of the reasons why they

444
00:24:25,707 --> 00:24:27,707
Speaker 11: won't look at it as a free past because it

445
00:24:27,747 --> 00:24:29,627
Speaker 11: was kind of like when Scott Robinson, I think when

446
00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:31,107
Speaker 11: you've seen the shot of him at the end of

447
00:24:31,107 --> 00:24:33,267
Speaker 11: it and he's got it were like a few with

448
00:24:33,427 --> 00:24:35,547
Speaker 11: his bro you know, white his brow, Like we got

449
00:24:35,547 --> 00:24:39,107
Speaker 11: out of that one so well, we wanted to win

450
00:24:39,147 --> 00:24:42,187
Speaker 11: this one and with all the history as well of

451
00:24:42,427 --> 00:24:45,827
Speaker 11: the World Cup knocked out and like the only balls

452
00:24:45,827 --> 00:24:48,147
Speaker 11: and that sort of thing, and the French now we're

453
00:24:48,147 --> 00:24:52,267
Speaker 11: all fired up, like you said about the new a

454
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Speaker 11: new sense of vigor and friude and that by winning

455
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Speaker 11: that winning that game where he said it sort of

456
00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:01,827
Speaker 11: all started, you know when he was watching it and

457
00:25:01,827 --> 00:25:04,107
Speaker 11: he said it was born on that day sort of thing.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one that was on Yeah, that

459
00:25:06,107 --> 00:25:11,147
Speaker 2: was the one I escaped my attention, Phil, How how

460
00:25:11,387 --> 00:25:14,827
Speaker 2: infrequently we played France that we had a three Test

461
00:25:14,907 --> 00:25:17,907
Speaker 2: series against them here in twenty eighteen, so it's that

462
00:25:18,067 --> 00:25:20,867
Speaker 2: six years ago. In the time since in the six

463
00:25:20,947 --> 00:25:25,027
Speaker 2: years since, we've played France twice just twice.

464
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you say, we sort of start

465
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Speaker 11: to think about it because you think of England and

466
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Speaker 11: Ireland and the Island in that and then kind of slips,

467
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Speaker 11: I guess in the background with France, except for when

468
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Speaker 11: when we bring up the World Cup final and things

469
00:25:39,027 --> 00:25:40,707
Speaker 11: like that or not the final, but you know, like

470
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Speaker 11: not gonna have had in the quarters, whether it or

471
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Speaker 11: to forget to the.

472
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Speaker 2: Final, and yeah, quarters and seven, Yeah, that's the that's

473
00:25:47,107 --> 00:25:49,947
Speaker 2: the one semis in ninety nine. We did beat them

474
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Speaker 2: in the final of the course in twenty eleven and

475
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Speaker 2: the quarters in twenty fifteen, so we've kind of got

476
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Speaker 2: our own back there. But yeah, it just sort of

477
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Speaker 2: was an interesting little layer. I'm not suggesting for either

478
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Speaker 2: that the All Blacks are taking this as a free hit.

479
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,027
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any suggestion inside that camp at

480
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Speaker 2: all that it won't matter because they've won against England

481
00:26:06,867 --> 00:26:08,587
Speaker 2: and Island, that it doesn't matter what happens against France.

482
00:26:08,827 --> 00:26:10,867
Speaker 2: I just I was, I guess taking that from our

483
00:26:10,907 --> 00:26:12,307
Speaker 2: point of view, and that a lot of us and

484
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Speaker 2: I think you might have even said this to me,

485
00:26:14,187 --> 00:26:17,747
Speaker 2: would have been reasonably satisfied with two out of three.

486
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Speaker 2: Now we've got the two, you know, and if we

487
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Speaker 2: get past tomorrow and it is two out of three,

488
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Speaker 2: then you know, are we still going to be satisfied?

489
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Speaker 11: I yeah, I think we will because yeah, and I'm

490
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Speaker 11: pretty sure I did say to Year that would it

491
00:26:35,347 --> 00:26:38,387
Speaker 11: would have been happy with out of two out of three.

492
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Speaker 11: I think I might have even said, like, might have

493
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Speaker 11: even been happy with one out of three, because, like

494
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Speaker 11: Grant a previous call, that could have gone three three losses,

495
00:26:48,027 --> 00:26:50,787
Speaker 11: you know, quite easily, I think, you know, but I

496
00:26:51,107 --> 00:26:53,067
Speaker 11: think I see when it was one out I'd be

497
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Speaker 11: happy with one out of three. Was as long as

498
00:26:55,827 --> 00:26:59,387
Speaker 11: we showed improvement, you know, throughout the game, even if

499
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Speaker 11: we lost, like we we played England and lucky to

500
00:27:03,947 --> 00:27:06,827
Speaker 11: get away with it, but we did. But then we showed,

501
00:27:06,907 --> 00:27:10,507
Speaker 11: like like Ian said, you know, we showed the improvement

502
00:27:10,547 --> 00:27:13,467
Speaker 11: against the Irish and we beat them quite nicely in

503
00:27:13,507 --> 00:27:15,827
Speaker 11: the end because we put them under pressure and raddled

504
00:27:15,827 --> 00:27:18,387
Speaker 11: them a bit. And I think they're not playing. Not

505
00:27:18,467 --> 00:27:21,747
Speaker 11: playing the games either didn't help them, you know, with

506
00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:24,387
Speaker 11: the mistakes and net that they would have probably not

507
00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:28,267
Speaker 11: normally made. But so yeah, as long as we have

508
00:27:28,347 --> 00:27:31,467
Speaker 11: made the improvements, I would have been happy with the

509
00:27:31,587 --> 00:27:35,667
Speaker 11: two out of three, but it's going to be a

510
00:27:35,667 --> 00:27:38,507
Speaker 11: cracking game no matter what happens either way, I think.

511
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Speaker 12: You know.

512
00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:42,147
Speaker 2: Look, I agree, Phelt, I agree. I'm looking forward to

513
00:27:42,187 --> 00:27:44,427
Speaker 2: the game as a spectacle. Always a job when we

514
00:27:44,427 --> 00:27:46,347
Speaker 2: play France, and as I say, it hasn't en very often.

515
00:27:46,587 --> 00:27:48,467
Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy the last one very much. Started the

516
00:27:48,547 --> 00:27:51,947
Speaker 2: last Rugby World Cup and even listening to Elliot's commentary,

517
00:27:51,947 --> 00:27:54,467
Speaker 2: I think after that game we all thought that France

518
00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:57,867
Speaker 2: were favorites for the whole thing on home soil, as

519
00:27:57,907 --> 00:28:00,187
Speaker 2: it was knocked out in the in the quarterfinals. Good yea,

520
00:28:00,227 --> 00:28:03,827
Speaker 2: Philp thanks for calling in mate, Hello Jason, Yeah.

521
00:28:03,747 --> 00:28:05,747
Speaker 12: Just on there. Who did put France out in the

522
00:28:05,907 --> 00:28:13,627
Speaker 12: last World Cup. It wasn't South No, yeah, I thought

523
00:28:13,667 --> 00:28:15,707
Speaker 12: South afric could put out England. That was in the

524
00:28:15,747 --> 00:28:19,107
Speaker 12: semi year of course. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've

525
00:28:19,107 --> 00:28:20,947
Speaker 12: got a bit of payback with France because they're the

526
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Speaker 12: only ones that's brought their World Cup group non losing

527
00:28:24,267 --> 00:28:26,027
Speaker 12: record was to France and that was the only time

528
00:28:26,067 --> 00:28:27,907
Speaker 12: we've lost a pall match in a World Cup ever,

529
00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:31,067
Speaker 12: was to them last last year. So correct payback because

530
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Speaker 12: that an always the heck out of me. Well, if

531
00:28:33,827 --> 00:28:35,787
Speaker 12: you look at this in perspective, it would be an

532
00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:38,947
Speaker 12: opportunity lost because this could easily be a Grand Slam

533
00:28:38,987 --> 00:28:43,147
Speaker 12: because it's only Whales and Scotland missing from the constitute

534
00:28:43,187 --> 00:28:43,787
Speaker 12: a Grand Slam.

535
00:28:43,827 --> 00:28:45,227
Speaker 13: Correct, Yeah, I think that.

536
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Speaker 2: I think the traditionals kind of understanding of a Grand

537
00:28:48,507 --> 00:28:50,707
Speaker 2: Slam was when it was just the five Nations if

538
00:28:50,707 --> 00:28:53,107
Speaker 2: you beat. Yeah, but I think going unbeaten on a

539
00:28:53,147 --> 00:28:55,227
Speaker 2: northern tour is still something. I mean, we can get

540
00:28:55,307 --> 00:28:57,747
Speaker 2: for count Japan and at least not count Japan, England,

541
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Speaker 2: Island Front Italy. If we've beat all four of those,

542
00:29:00,307 --> 00:29:01,867
Speaker 2: I think you can probably look back at it and

543
00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:03,827
Speaker 2: say that that's pretty successful.

544
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Speaker 12: Well, if you're lit of it, I mean it's very

545
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:09,027
Speaker 12: very strange. Health sea changes happen, like you know, for

546
00:29:09,107 --> 00:29:11,987
Speaker 12: us to consider one out of three a successful outcome

547
00:29:11,987 --> 00:29:14,707
Speaker 12: of a northern twoer, my god, to lose one out

548
00:29:14,707 --> 00:29:17,227
Speaker 12: of three and years gone by would be slit yourist

549
00:29:17,267 --> 00:29:21,067
Speaker 12: material piney. But look, no, look, I think definitely if

550
00:29:21,107 --> 00:29:23,707
Speaker 12: we get past France depends on mister Anton de Pint

551
00:29:23,787 --> 00:29:26,507
Speaker 12: what he says about this or plays tomorrow. But if

552
00:29:26,547 --> 00:29:30,467
Speaker 12: we can nullify him because he's my only real concern

553
00:29:30,547 --> 00:29:33,227
Speaker 12: as him, the whole team will just you know, revolve

554
00:29:33,267 --> 00:29:36,507
Speaker 12: around what he does with his majestic touches. If we

555
00:29:36,547 --> 00:29:39,427
Speaker 12: can get nullify him, win that one. I'm not no

556
00:29:39,547 --> 00:29:41,827
Speaker 12: disrespect to Italy, but you'd expect would win that in

557
00:29:41,827 --> 00:29:42,347
Speaker 12: our sleep.

558
00:29:43,987 --> 00:29:45,347
Speaker 14: It's it's it's.

559
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Speaker 12: A season perspective, pony.

560
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Speaker 15: I rate it in eight out of ten.

561
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Speaker 2: Good stuff chas well. Actually, you've pre empted me by

562
00:29:53,507 --> 00:29:55,707
Speaker 2: a week because next week we will rate the season.

563
00:29:56,227 --> 00:29:57,707
Speaker 2: So maybe you can go back then and you know,

564
00:29:57,987 --> 00:29:59,907
Speaker 2: with the benefit of the scores against France and Italy,

565
00:29:59,907 --> 00:30:02,187
Speaker 2: you can you could revise it or keep it the same.

566
00:30:02,427 --> 00:30:05,827
Speaker 2: But at four at four and three midway through the year,

567
00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:09,147
Speaker 2: four one's three losses as they came back from South

568
00:30:09,187 --> 00:30:12,907
Speaker 2: Africa to go from four and three to eleven and three,

569
00:30:12,987 --> 00:30:15,427
Speaker 2: which they can do if they win the next two weekends,

570
00:30:15,787 --> 00:30:18,627
Speaker 2: I think they'd be delighted. I mean seven and zero

571
00:30:18,627 --> 00:30:20,387
Speaker 2: if the back in the second half of the season,

572
00:30:20,387 --> 00:30:24,627
Speaker 2: you can't do much better than that. Thanks Jose Ellison, Hello, well, bon.

573
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Speaker 16: Ju, I say two out of three's not bad. They say,

574
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Speaker 16: isn't it that sixty six percent I just want to say,

575
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Speaker 16: what a pity about Sam Caine that he won't be

576
00:30:31,747 --> 00:30:32,787
Speaker 16: playing again this year?

577
00:30:32,827 --> 00:30:33,027
Speaker 11: Will he?

578
00:30:33,627 --> 00:30:36,587
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't feel like it, Ellison. No, I don't

579
00:30:36,627 --> 00:30:38,987
Speaker 2: know that. He's been absolutely ruled out for next week

580
00:30:39,027 --> 00:30:40,667
Speaker 2: and I would love to see him go around one

581
00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:42,347
Speaker 2: more time. But no, you're right, if it is to

582
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Speaker 2: be it for him, that's that's I mean, the fact

583
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Speaker 2: that he didn't get the opportunity to go out on

584
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Speaker 2: his own terms injury ruling him out. He may well

585
00:30:49,027 --> 00:30:50,867
Speaker 2: be available for next week, but I guess we'll waiting.

586
00:30:50,907 --> 00:30:52,547
Speaker 16: So the nasty not well, there was a quite a

587
00:30:52,627 --> 00:30:53,747
Speaker 16: nasty knock he got, wasn't it.

588
00:30:53,987 --> 00:30:54,867
Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah.

589
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Speaker 16: I just wanted to quickly say how well New Zealand

590
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Speaker 16: does overall our sports. How everything we do we're doing

591
00:31:00,267 --> 00:31:02,347
Speaker 16: so well and everything really aren't we know, whether it's

592
00:31:02,347 --> 00:31:06,187
Speaker 16: cycling or goal for tennis, particularly in the tennis with

593
00:31:06,667 --> 00:31:08,987
Speaker 16: in the doubles, we're just doing so well. I just

594
00:31:09,027 --> 00:31:10,187
Speaker 16: think it's marvelous.

595
00:31:10,467 --> 00:31:12,427
Speaker 2: It's a golden period, Allison. For sure.

596
00:31:12,507 --> 00:31:16,427
Speaker 8: It's been Chris Wood swim and sharp.

597
00:31:16,467 --> 00:31:19,027
Speaker 16: How there came the team to see those children playing

598
00:31:19,067 --> 00:31:21,867
Speaker 16: and signing autographs. I thought that was fantastic.

599
00:31:22,427 --> 00:31:24,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good man, Chris Wood. I actually saw

600
00:31:24,627 --> 00:31:28,227
Speaker 2: some footage from last night's game, Allison, where Chris Wood

601
00:31:28,267 --> 00:31:31,827
Speaker 2: was substituted during the game against vanowah Tu, and he

602
00:31:31,907 --> 00:31:34,307
Speaker 2: went straight over and started signing autographs I think while

603
00:31:34,347 --> 00:31:38,787
Speaker 2: the game was still going on. He's so famous now

604
00:31:38,987 --> 00:31:42,387
Speaker 2: and so good Premier League striker probably can't walk down

605
00:31:42,387 --> 00:31:46,387
Speaker 2: the road in Nottingham without being mobbed by people, and

606
00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:49,187
Speaker 2: yet he comes off in a game back here and

607
00:31:49,387 --> 00:31:52,307
Speaker 2: immediately goes over and starts signing autographs for the kids.

608
00:31:52,347 --> 00:31:54,947
Speaker 2: I think he's just a terrific human being and as

609
00:31:54,987 --> 00:31:57,547
Speaker 2: you say, just another example of how good we are

610
00:31:57,627 --> 00:31:59,867
Speaker 2: at sport at the moment. Speaking of what's going to

611
00:31:59,867 --> 00:32:01,947
Speaker 2: talk to Finn Butcher tomorrow on the show. Looking forward

612
00:32:01,947 --> 00:32:06,067
Speaker 2: to catching up with the Butcher. Another success story of

613
00:32:06,787 --> 00:32:09,507
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four with his gold medal in Paris. I

614
00:32:09,587 --> 00:32:11,627
Speaker 2: wonder how he's feeling about one hundred days on from that.

615
00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:13,907
Speaker 2: Probably still on top of the world. I'd imagine I

616
00:32:13,987 --> 00:32:16,707
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty eighteen and a half to one,

617
00:32:16,747 --> 00:32:18,827
Speaker 2: got a bit of time to continue talking. All blacks.

618
00:32:18,827 --> 00:32:20,587
Speaker 2: We'llknock it on the head after one, because Tim South

619
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Speaker 2: he's going to join us. But if you've got some

620
00:32:22,227 --> 00:32:25,027
Speaker 2: thoughts whether two out of three ain't bad as Ellison said,

621
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Speaker 2: and as meat Loaf famously said, two out of three

622
00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:31,307
Speaker 2: ain't bad? Will that be okay if we were to

623
00:32:31,347 --> 00:32:34,027
Speaker 2: lose to France. If we're chatting at this time tomorrow

624
00:32:34,107 --> 00:32:35,907
Speaker 2: and we've lost to France, would you be okay with it?

625
00:32:36,587 --> 00:32:38,947
Speaker 2: Or actually has your appetite been wetted?

626
00:32:39,547 --> 00:32:40,067
Speaker 14: Is that right?

627
00:32:40,547 --> 00:32:44,547
Speaker 2: Or wet by the last two weekends and now you

628
00:32:44,627 --> 00:32:47,667
Speaker 2: want us to clean sweep the Northern tour I eight

629
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine to two one text

630
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Speaker 2: back after this eighteen to.

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Speaker 1: One don't get caught off side eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ Guvnohomes

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home Builder News Talks, then B

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Speaker 2: He'd be spear line there if you want to talk

636
00:33:04,947 --> 00:33:07,627
Speaker 2: from rugby before one. Just a reminder we'll be on

637
00:33:07,667 --> 00:33:10,427
Speaker 2: the Yeir tomorrow after the conclusion of the rugby. We

638
00:33:10,467 --> 00:33:12,547
Speaker 2: did this last weekend as well. It was the Saturday

639
00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:16,667
Speaker 2: last weekend tomorrow and also next Sunday. We'll just piggyback

640
00:33:16,707 --> 00:33:18,787
Speaker 2: on the back of the rugby. I think it'll finish

641
00:33:18,787 --> 00:33:21,147
Speaker 2: about eleven, maybe ten past quarter past eleven. As soon

642
00:33:21,187 --> 00:33:23,827
Speaker 2: as the game's over and Elliott Smith and Gregor Paul

643
00:33:23,867 --> 00:33:26,307
Speaker 2: have wrapped it all up from Star de France, they're

644
00:33:26,307 --> 00:33:28,747
Speaker 2: well jump in and start chatting about it. So you

645
00:33:28,827 --> 00:33:30,627
Speaker 2: might want to join us at the slightly earlier time

646
00:33:30,667 --> 00:33:34,987
Speaker 2: tomorrow of eleven fifteen or thereabouts. Arnie Savey is going

647
00:33:35,027 --> 00:33:37,147
Speaker 2: to play in the seven jersey? Is that like sort

648
00:33:37,187 --> 00:33:40,347
Speaker 2: of slipping back into an old pair of shoes for Artie?

649
00:33:40,627 --> 00:33:44,507
Speaker 17: Wouldn't say, just slipping on old YLK shoes, These little

650
00:33:44,507 --> 00:33:48,067
Speaker 17: different roles and little things that you know, you kind

651
00:33:48,107 --> 00:33:53,347
Speaker 17: of have to get used to. But yeah, I'm just

652
00:33:53,787 --> 00:33:56,307
Speaker 17: happy as like, I'm just grateful to put on the

653
00:33:56,307 --> 00:34:00,307
Speaker 17: black jersey, whether that's six, seven, eight, eleven, thirty.

654
00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:01,867
Speaker 6: Weever.

655
00:34:02,587 --> 00:34:05,667
Speaker 17: But noah, Yeah, last time I played.

656
00:34:05,547 --> 00:34:06,027
Speaker 6: Was a two.

657
00:34:06,507 --> 00:34:10,947
Speaker 17: I think seven. No, still be the same, hopefully.

658
00:34:10,587 --> 00:34:12,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'll still be the same. ARTI doesn't

659
00:34:12,147 --> 00:34:13,227
Speaker 2: matter what number you've got on mate.

660
00:34:13,227 --> 00:34:15,867
Speaker 15: Hello, Henry, Hey Jason, how's it going?

661
00:34:16,027 --> 00:34:16,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well, Henry.

662
00:34:16,947 --> 00:34:20,427
Speaker 10: Things that's good. Hey, you know, I think even if

663
00:34:20,467 --> 00:34:23,467
Speaker 10: we lose tomorrow, it'll be a good you know two,

664
00:34:23,507 --> 00:34:25,347
Speaker 10: because we're you know, we're picking up, we're doing better

665
00:34:25,427 --> 00:34:29,587
Speaker 10: each each game, and really, you know, hew, good Earth

666
00:34:29,587 --> 00:34:32,947
Speaker 10: France was, you know, the way they're playing, even many

667
00:34:32,987 --> 00:34:36,107
Speaker 10: games in the community all works, So it'll be you know,

668
00:34:36,347 --> 00:34:37,867
Speaker 10: I think we'll do our order. But even if we

669
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:39,147
Speaker 10: did lose, were quite happy.

670
00:34:39,747 --> 00:34:41,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I guess. I guess I'll look at

671
00:34:41,307 --> 00:34:43,827
Speaker 2: it and it's just numbers, Henry, But you say, okay,

672
00:34:43,907 --> 00:34:46,587
Speaker 2: eleven and three if we win, Let's assume we beat

673
00:34:46,587 --> 00:34:48,667
Speaker 2: Itterly next week. I mean we shouldn't really, I mean,

674
00:34:48,707 --> 00:34:50,267
Speaker 2: put the car before the horse, but let's assume we

675
00:34:50,307 --> 00:34:52,587
Speaker 2: win that game. So if we win tomorrow against France,

676
00:34:52,667 --> 00:34:55,907
Speaker 2: it's an eleven three season. If we were to lose tomorrow,

677
00:34:56,227 --> 00:34:59,427
Speaker 2: it's a ten four season. I mean, it doesn't seem

678
00:34:59,427 --> 00:35:01,147
Speaker 2: like a lot, does it, But it would be just

679
00:35:01,187 --> 00:35:03,907
Speaker 2: a slightly more niggly summer if it was ten to four,

680
00:35:05,107 --> 00:35:05,787
Speaker 2: it probably would.

681
00:35:06,107 --> 00:35:09,067
Speaker 10: But the odd thing you know that Ossie got, he's the

682
00:35:09,427 --> 00:35:12,467
Speaker 10: he's throw into the easy headed rugby board, now, isn't

683
00:35:12,467 --> 00:35:12,667
Speaker 10: he that?

684
00:35:13,187 --> 00:35:13,387
Speaker 13: Yes?

685
00:35:13,827 --> 00:35:16,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brett Robinson is his name. Yeah, he's the head

686
00:35:16,187 --> 00:35:17,987
Speaker 2: of war cheirf of World Rugby.

687
00:35:18,027 --> 00:35:18,267
Speaker 6: Yeah.

688
00:35:18,867 --> 00:35:22,387
Speaker 10: Yeah, so you think, like, you know, we're always going

689
00:35:22,427 --> 00:35:25,347
Speaker 10: on these northern tours and stuff. Do you think he'll watched, like,

690
00:35:26,187 --> 00:35:28,267
Speaker 10: you know, have France, like he was saying, they even

691
00:35:28,267 --> 00:35:30,907
Speaker 10: played us very often, you know, make it more tours

692
00:35:31,027 --> 00:35:32,067
Speaker 10: so they come down under.

693
00:35:33,267 --> 00:35:35,947
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think that's a that's yeah, it's a

694
00:35:35,947 --> 00:35:38,427
Speaker 2: good question. I don't know whether World Rugby can have

695
00:35:38,467 --> 00:35:41,467
Speaker 2: any any real say over that. It was for a while, Henry,

696
00:35:41,467 --> 00:35:44,507
Speaker 2: we didn't play England for ages, and you know, I

697
00:35:44,507 --> 00:35:48,027
Speaker 2: think it just it sort of goes in cycles really

698
00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:50,667
Speaker 2: for no other reason than it. You know, we can

699
00:35:50,707 --> 00:35:53,227
Speaker 2: only really have one team come down here mid year.

700
00:35:53,627 --> 00:35:56,947
Speaker 2: This year it was England, you know, twenty twenty two.

701
00:35:57,347 --> 00:36:00,027
Speaker 2: Member Island came down twenty three there was a World Cup,

702
00:36:00,067 --> 00:36:01,947
Speaker 2: so it wasn't quite as I don't think they'd had

703
00:36:01,947 --> 00:36:04,707
Speaker 2: a tour down here. I just think it's circumstanced more

704
00:36:04,747 --> 00:36:07,387
Speaker 2: than anything. But yeah, look, the main thing I think

705
00:36:07,427 --> 00:36:09,627
Speaker 2: I'd like to see is when France do come here

706
00:36:09,627 --> 00:36:12,587
Speaker 2: next year. They're already talking about sending a B team

707
00:36:12,707 --> 00:36:14,587
Speaker 2: or a C team. What I would like to see.

708
00:36:14,707 --> 00:36:18,787
Speaker 2: Is you know some sort of guidelines or rules around

709
00:36:19,027 --> 00:36:21,547
Speaker 2: around picking you know, a decent team to come down here.

710
00:36:22,587 --> 00:36:23,787
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, that'd be great.

711
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:26,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Henry, Hey, good to chat to you, mate.

712
00:36:26,187 --> 00:36:29,307
Speaker 2: We'll see if tomorrow, if it's if it's you know,

713
00:36:29,387 --> 00:36:31,507
Speaker 2: three from three in these big games, or or two

714
00:36:31,507 --> 00:36:33,267
Speaker 2: and one. Good to chat to you mate. Hey, Ben,

715
00:36:33,307 --> 00:36:33,667
Speaker 2: how are you?

716
00:36:34,507 --> 00:36:34,707
Speaker 6: Oh?

717
00:36:34,787 --> 00:36:38,627
Speaker 15: Very good? Thanks funny for the test tomorrow. If we

718
00:36:38,627 --> 00:36:41,907
Speaker 15: were to lose by three points and we played really well,

719
00:36:42,507 --> 00:36:45,227
Speaker 15: I'd be satisfied with that because it would show progression

720
00:36:45,347 --> 00:36:47,907
Speaker 15: within the team, and you know, when it comes to

721
00:36:47,947 --> 00:36:51,467
Speaker 15: these international tests, you know, and how the Northern Hemisphere

722
00:36:51,507 --> 00:36:54,467
Speaker 15: has actually advanced over the last few years, i'd be

723
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Speaker 15: I'd be okay with that.

724
00:36:56,427 --> 00:36:59,387
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's an interesting point you land on which others

725
00:36:59,387 --> 00:37:01,667
Speaker 2: are made too, and that's around the improvement of the side.

726
00:37:01,987 --> 00:37:04,267
Speaker 2: So rather than just look at the scoreboard and say, okay,

727
00:37:04,267 --> 00:37:07,627
Speaker 2: we'll win, win, win, last whatever, are we improving? So

728
00:37:07,987 --> 00:37:10,867
Speaker 2: if we're competitive tomorrow, as you say, if we lose

729
00:37:10,867 --> 00:37:13,667
Speaker 2: by you know, a handful of points, you'd be okay

730
00:37:13,747 --> 00:37:15,267
Speaker 2: if you continue to see the improvement.

731
00:37:16,267 --> 00:37:18,947
Speaker 15: Yes, even if it was like you know, even a try,

732
00:37:19,227 --> 00:37:20,987
Speaker 15: you know, like even if it was seven points in

733
00:37:21,267 --> 00:37:24,187
Speaker 15: the France scored a try to win the game. But

734
00:37:24,347 --> 00:37:26,427
Speaker 15: you know, both teams just went at it and it

735
00:37:26,507 --> 00:37:29,067
Speaker 15: was so intense, like the English game, that Ireland game.

736
00:37:29,427 --> 00:37:31,227
Speaker 15: I was just like, oh my god, you know, this

737
00:37:31,347 --> 00:37:35,107
Speaker 15: is just amazing. So if it's that kind of test

738
00:37:35,267 --> 00:37:37,427
Speaker 15: and France win, hats off to them. As long as

739
00:37:37,467 --> 00:37:40,627
Speaker 15: we don't play badly to show that we're tracking forward.

740
00:37:40,907 --> 00:37:45,067
Speaker 15: It's just one game. And you know, also I wanted

741
00:37:45,107 --> 00:37:48,587
Speaker 15: to say for the Italy test, what I would love

742
00:37:48,827 --> 00:37:52,347
Speaker 15: would be for Sam Kane to be available in Captain

743
00:37:52,867 --> 00:37:55,627
Speaker 15: the All Blacks for Italy as his last hurrah, just

744
00:37:55,667 --> 00:37:57,147
Speaker 15: as a thank you to him.

745
00:37:58,147 --> 00:38:00,187
Speaker 2: I like that idea, Ben, I like that idea. I'm

746
00:38:00,187 --> 00:38:03,587
Speaker 2: not sure whether or or how much sentiment comes into

747
00:38:03,627 --> 00:38:07,307
Speaker 2: these things. I think that would be, you know, a

748
00:38:07,347 --> 00:38:10,747
Speaker 2: good idea. I think if it was, for example, if

749
00:38:10,747 --> 00:38:14,747
Speaker 2: it was you know, and I don't want to disrespect Italy,

750
00:38:14,827 --> 00:38:17,667
Speaker 2: but you know, compared to England, Island and France, they

751
00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:22,707
Speaker 2: are clearly the the the less troublesome historically and currently

752
00:38:22,747 --> 00:38:25,867
Speaker 2: for our All Blacks. So I think if it was

753
00:38:26,787 --> 00:38:29,787
Speaker 2: a test where you really had to put your best

754
00:38:29,787 --> 00:38:32,507
Speaker 2: team out. I think Scott Barrett would probably be in

755
00:38:32,547 --> 00:38:35,067
Speaker 2: that team and captain it. But next week, and having

756
00:38:35,107 --> 00:38:38,307
Speaker 2: missed this France game, yeah, I wouldn't mind Sam camee.

757
00:38:38,307 --> 00:38:40,187
Speaker 2: We're in the arm band next week. He's not one

758
00:38:40,227 --> 00:38:43,747
Speaker 2: of the vice captains in the site, you know, Ardie

759
00:38:43,787 --> 00:38:46,147
Speaker 2: Savira and Jeordie Barrett of the vice captains. But if

760
00:38:46,187 --> 00:38:49,347
Speaker 2: it was ceremonial, and if it was a you know,

761
00:38:49,427 --> 00:38:54,307
Speaker 2: perhaps an indication or a reward for Sam Kaine's longevity

762
00:38:54,347 --> 00:38:56,227
Speaker 2: in the side, I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind it.

763
00:38:57,187 --> 00:38:59,187
Speaker 2: I think they'll roll out a very different team next week.

764
00:38:59,227 --> 00:39:01,507
Speaker 2: You'd have to think they will, won't they. A lot

765
00:39:01,507 --> 00:39:03,507
Speaker 2: of guys have been waiting for an opportunity on this

766
00:39:03,587 --> 00:39:06,027
Speaker 2: Northern tour, a lot of guys have been involved for

767
00:39:06,067 --> 00:39:09,307
Speaker 2: the you know, for three tough tests. I think they'll

768
00:39:09,307 --> 00:39:13,067
Speaker 2: make quite a few changes next week. Thanks Ben, good

769
00:39:13,107 --> 00:39:14,387
Speaker 2: to chat to you eight and a half to one

770
00:39:14,427 --> 00:39:15,267
Speaker 2: News Talks, HEB.

771
00:39:15,947 --> 00:39:18,267
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

772
00:39:18,427 --> 00:39:23,187
Speaker 1: on eight Weekend Sports with Jason Pine News.

773
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:25,507
Speaker 2: Talks, HEV, News Talks B five to one. Just a

774
00:39:25,507 --> 00:39:27,267
Speaker 2: couple of texts to mop up before we get to

775
00:39:27,267 --> 00:39:29,747
Speaker 2: the news. Matt says, yes, we'll be satisfied with two

776
00:39:29,787 --> 00:39:32,747
Speaker 2: out of three, but there'll be a small rock under

777
00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:35,987
Speaker 2: the beach towel over the summer. I think you're probably right, Matt.

778
00:39:37,267 --> 00:39:39,507
Speaker 2: Top tier rugby test a pretty much fifty fifty says

779
00:39:39,547 --> 00:39:42,227
Speaker 2: this one. We went half purely on the law of averages.

780
00:39:42,267 --> 00:39:44,147
Speaker 2: We need to control the game better, score more tries.

781
00:39:44,547 --> 00:39:47,067
Speaker 2: Relying on penalties as a dangerous game. Thank you. Let's

782
00:39:47,067 --> 00:39:49,267
Speaker 2: not get too far ahead of ourselves, says this one.

783
00:39:49,427 --> 00:39:52,427
Speaker 2: We've done well so far, but don't you agree there

784
00:39:52,427 --> 00:39:54,627
Speaker 2: are no gimmes in any of these countries and we've

785
00:39:54,627 --> 00:39:56,587
Speaker 2: been beaten by all of them. A bad day the

786
00:39:56,627 --> 00:39:58,627
Speaker 2: office by us and you never know. Oh, look absolutely,

787
00:39:58,707 --> 00:40:00,707
Speaker 2: I think most of us would accept that this is

788
00:40:00,707 --> 00:40:05,107
Speaker 2: a coin flip us against France. I was looking back

789
00:40:05,147 --> 00:40:07,947
Speaker 2: at the results and they said, as I said earlier,

790
00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:10,827
Speaker 2: we haven't played them very often at all in the

791
00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:14,147
Speaker 2: last little while. We played them in group play at

792
00:40:14,147 --> 00:40:16,187
Speaker 2: the World Cup last year lost twenty seven to thirteen,

793
00:40:16,547 --> 00:40:19,587
Speaker 2: played them on our Northern tour in twenty twenty one

794
00:40:20,187 --> 00:40:23,667
Speaker 2: lost to them forty twenty five. Previous to that, of course,

795
00:40:23,707 --> 00:40:25,787
Speaker 2: COVID was in there as well, so many to you

796
00:40:25,827 --> 00:40:28,147
Speaker 2: know make that point, but they were here for a

797
00:40:28,187 --> 00:40:31,347
Speaker 2: three match series in twenty eighteen, three wins to the

798
00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:33,467
Speaker 2: All Blacks. In fact, you have to go all the

799
00:40:33,467 --> 00:40:39,027
Speaker 2: way back to two thousand and nine to find the

800
00:40:39,107 --> 00:40:44,467
Speaker 2: previous defeat by France a twenty seven twenty two when

801
00:40:44,547 --> 00:40:48,747
Speaker 2: in Dunedin. So from two thousand and nine right through

802
00:40:48,827 --> 00:40:51,267
Speaker 2: until twenty twenty one, we didn't lose to them at all,

803
00:40:51,707 --> 00:40:54,227
Speaker 2: and now we've lost the last two. Look, I'm not

804
00:40:54,267 --> 00:40:57,027
Speaker 2: suggesting that there's anything sinister going on here or any

805
00:40:57,027 --> 00:40:59,627
Speaker 2: sort of trend building, but if we were to lose tomorrow,

806
00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:01,747
Speaker 2: I can't believe. I can't remember us losing three tests

807
00:41:01,787 --> 00:41:05,627
Speaker 2: and road to France, can you, biney? We lost to

808
00:41:05,667 --> 00:41:10,067
Speaker 2: France in two and seven wearing the alternative strip? Is

809
00:41:10,107 --> 00:41:13,387
Speaker 2: this an omen andy? I don't think it's an omen

810
00:41:13,627 --> 00:41:16,747
Speaker 2: because we're not wearing that gray monstrosity tomorrow. Thank goodness,

811
00:41:17,147 --> 00:41:18,107
Speaker 2: it's the white strip.

812
00:41:19,107 --> 00:41:19,307
Speaker 13: Yeah.

813
00:41:19,387 --> 00:41:23,907
Speaker 2: May that gray strip never darken our door again. Thanks

814
00:41:23,907 --> 00:41:25,747
Speaker 2: for your text any, thanks for all your calls and texts.

815
00:41:25,867 --> 00:41:27,947
Speaker 2: Tim Souey After one o'clock.

816
00:41:29,787 --> 00:41:32,667
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest scours issues on

817
00:41:33,067 --> 00:41:36,987
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason

818
00:41:37,027 --> 00:41:41,507
Speaker 1: pay on your Home of Sport UK.

819
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Speaker 2: One O seven. Welcome in or welcome back is the case, MA,

820
00:41:45,307 --> 00:41:46,907
Speaker 2: be good to have you with us. I'm Jason Pine

821
00:41:46,907 --> 00:41:49,827
Speaker 2: and McDonald's show producer were Hair till three talking sport.

822
00:41:50,067 --> 00:41:52,667
Speaker 2: Tim Southey standing by the chat to us. Really can

823
00:41:52,707 --> 00:41:55,907
Speaker 2: to hear your views on Tim Southey. He's been a

824
00:41:55,907 --> 00:42:00,227
Speaker 2: bit polarizing in recent times. I'll absolutely admit that I'm

825
00:42:00,227 --> 00:42:03,907
Speaker 2: sure he would too when he was the Test captain

826
00:42:03,947 --> 00:42:07,147
Speaker 2: and things perhaps weren't going quiet as well for him

827
00:42:07,147 --> 00:42:10,067
Speaker 2: as they were earlier in his career. But you cannot

828
00:42:10,107 --> 00:42:16,747
Speaker 2: deny across his seventeen year tenure as a Black Cap,

829
00:42:16,787 --> 00:42:20,907
Speaker 2: his numbers are absolutely outstanding, second only to Sir Richard

830
00:42:20,907 --> 00:42:23,947
Speaker 2: Hadley in terms of Test wickets for starters. A raft

831
00:42:23,947 --> 00:42:26,307
Speaker 2: of other stats that I can reel off for you.

832
00:42:26,867 --> 00:42:29,587
Speaker 2: One of our absolute greats, Tim Southy standing by for

833
00:42:29,707 --> 00:42:32,147
Speaker 2: chat Adam Peacock this hour as well. I want to

834
00:42:32,147 --> 00:42:34,227
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts on Tim Southy too, where he stands

835
00:42:34,227 --> 00:42:38,187
Speaker 2: for you, maybe some of your favorite moments, how he'll

836
00:42:38,187 --> 00:42:40,827
Speaker 2: be remembered how he stacks up against the other great

837
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:45,747
Speaker 2: bowlers from these shores. Just back to our conversation topic

838
00:42:45,787 --> 00:42:50,707
Speaker 2: before one around the All Blacks in France, Jack says Piney,

839
00:42:50,787 --> 00:42:53,027
Speaker 2: who are these people who say they would be happy

840
00:42:53,067 --> 00:42:54,587
Speaker 2: with a small loss to France?

841
00:42:54,707 --> 00:42:55,067
Speaker 9: No way?

842
00:42:56,667 --> 00:43:00,107
Speaker 2: Another one along the same lines. Since when has it

843
00:43:00,187 --> 00:43:03,267
Speaker 2: been okay for the All Blacks to lose? Another one?

844
00:43:03,267 --> 00:43:03,387
Speaker 13: Here?

845
00:43:03,467 --> 00:43:08,307
Speaker 2: Gay mate? It sounds like most expect the All Blacks

846
00:43:08,307 --> 00:43:11,627
Speaker 2: to lose narrowly to France. Thanks Bob, Yeah, I guess

847
00:43:11,627 --> 00:43:15,467
Speaker 2: the point I was driving at was, and it's always

848
00:43:15,467 --> 00:43:18,307
Speaker 2: a very difficult conversation to have it. At the start

849
00:43:18,307 --> 00:43:20,147
Speaker 2: of this tour, most people said, Okay, if we lose

850
00:43:20,147 --> 00:43:23,227
Speaker 2: one of these tests, that's okay. England Island, France, lose

851
00:43:23,227 --> 00:43:28,107
Speaker 2: one of those, that's okay. And now that we've lost

852
00:43:28,627 --> 00:43:31,507
Speaker 2: none of the first two, what a lost b oka

853
00:43:31,587 --> 00:43:34,787
Speaker 2: tomorrow because that would fulfill that desire. I guess that

854
00:43:34,827 --> 00:43:40,027
Speaker 2: would fulfill that opinion before the tour, that one lost

855
00:43:40,027 --> 00:43:42,387
Speaker 2: out of three. B okay? Anyway, we can we can

856
00:43:42,427 --> 00:43:46,667
Speaker 2: revisit this tomorrow once the result is known, can't we

857
00:43:46,747 --> 00:43:50,147
Speaker 2: we can chat about it then. One of our great

858
00:43:50,187 --> 00:43:53,467
Speaker 2: pace bowlers, Tim Southy going to retire from Test cricket

859
00:43:53,467 --> 00:43:57,227
Speaker 2: after the upcoming three match series at home against England.

860
00:43:56,987 --> 00:43:59,027
Speaker 18: And goes SOUTHI then a good start for England is

861
00:43:59,067 --> 00:44:01,347
Speaker 18: there and he bowls is bowl then that is bowled,

862
00:44:01,387 --> 00:44:02,387
Speaker 18: hairy drive.

863
00:44:03,187 --> 00:44:04,987
Speaker 17: His pitching your coat, a.

864
00:44:05,067 --> 00:44:09,907
Speaker 18: Moon's out, whoa woa whoa clean bowl to yorka.

865
00:44:10,187 --> 00:44:11,507
Speaker 9: Souvie and again cold.

866
00:44:11,987 --> 00:44:14,027
Speaker 19: To the bowling of Saudi in the teacher I've got

867
00:44:14,107 --> 00:44:18,987
Speaker 19: behind here he is to wotch in bowl five for Sauvee.

868
00:44:20,587 --> 00:44:22,107
Speaker 5: Brilliant performance with the ball.

869
00:44:22,467 --> 00:44:24,987
Speaker 19: Saudi bars to him and this one has him hitting

870
00:44:25,467 --> 00:44:27,107
Speaker 19: towardsman off and as Cole.

871
00:44:29,307 --> 00:44:30,347
Speaker 5: Good by Vitri.

872
00:44:30,547 --> 00:44:31,867
Speaker 19: That's six for Soue.

873
00:44:32,747 --> 00:44:36,027
Speaker 18: Saudi again bowls has ed's une taken it slipt. There's

874
00:44:36,067 --> 00:44:39,107
Speaker 18: the seventh I won a performance by Tim Saudi. This

875
00:44:39,187 --> 00:44:41,507
Speaker 18: has been he's taken seven for thirty one the best

876
00:44:41,507 --> 00:44:44,147
Speaker 18: figures buy a New Zealand to a one day International

877
00:44:44,187 --> 00:44:47,347
Speaker 18: cricket and he's absolutely swept in and decide.

878
00:44:47,507 --> 00:44:50,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the world come in twenty fifteen. But

879
00:44:50,387 --> 00:44:52,627
Speaker 2: we're talking Test cricket here. The third Test in the

880
00:44:52,707 --> 00:44:56,707
Speaker 2: upcoming series against England starts on December the fourteenth that is,

881
00:44:56,787 --> 00:45:01,147
Speaker 2: three days after Tim Saudi turns thirty six. He'll remain

882
00:45:01,187 --> 00:45:03,507
Speaker 2: available though, if the black Caps happen to make the

883
00:45:03,507 --> 00:45:07,747
Speaker 2: World Test Championship Final at Lord in June of next year.

884
00:45:08,187 --> 00:45:11,627
Speaker 2: A one hundred and four Test matches spread over seventeen summers,

885
00:45:11,947 --> 00:45:15,787
Speaker 2: he's taken three hundred and eighty five wickets, second only

886
00:45:15,867 --> 00:45:20,067
Speaker 2: to Sir Richard Hadley Tim Southey's average twenty nine point

887
00:45:20,107 --> 00:45:22,147
Speaker 2: eighty eight for those three hundred and eighty five wickets.

888
00:45:22,147 --> 00:45:25,627
Speaker 2: He also, oddly enough, has exactly the same number of

889
00:45:25,667 --> 00:45:28,147
Speaker 2: white ball wickets three hundred and eighty five of those

890
00:45:28,187 --> 00:45:32,027
Speaker 2: as well, so seven hundred and seventy all up the

891
00:45:32,027 --> 00:45:35,667
Speaker 2: most by any New Zealander in international cricket. The next

892
00:45:35,707 --> 00:45:41,107
Speaker 2: best is Daniel Vittori's six hundred and ninety six international wickets.

893
00:45:41,467 --> 00:45:44,707
Speaker 2: There are many other stats and milestones across a glittering

894
00:45:44,947 --> 00:45:49,347
Speaker 2: international career. Tim SOUTHI is with us, Tim, how did

895
00:45:49,347 --> 00:45:52,507
Speaker 2: you come to this decision that you announced yesterday?

896
00:45:54,387 --> 00:45:56,907
Speaker 20: Yeah, I guess you look at I guess you look

897
00:45:56,907 --> 00:45:59,827
Speaker 20: at Wat's in front of you. And over the last

898
00:45:59,827 --> 00:46:02,987
Speaker 20: twelve months we've had a number of exciting events. We've

899
00:46:02,987 --> 00:46:04,947
Speaker 20: had the Tea one day, we'll cut the teacher and

900
00:46:04,947 --> 00:46:07,507
Speaker 20: he will cup and then this chunk of this chunk

901
00:46:07,507 --> 00:46:10,707
Speaker 20: of test cricket, which is I guess three three pinnacle

902
00:46:10,747 --> 00:46:13,427
Speaker 20: sort of events throughout throughout the last twelve months, and

903
00:46:13,467 --> 00:46:13,947
Speaker 20: you sort of.

904
00:46:14,027 --> 00:46:16,027
Speaker 13: You're near the end of of of these.

905
00:46:15,907 --> 00:46:19,227
Speaker 20: Test matches and you sort of, I guess, reassess things,

906
00:46:19,307 --> 00:46:21,707
Speaker 20: reassess where you're at, and it just feels like the

907
00:46:21,747 --> 00:46:25,467
Speaker 20: times right now to to finish and what a series

908
00:46:25,507 --> 00:46:28,947
Speaker 20: to I guess, finish on against a great side in

909
00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:31,707
Speaker 20: England at three three of my favorite grounds in the world.

910
00:46:31,827 --> 00:46:34,667
Speaker 20: So yeah, I just felt right to to finish up

911
00:46:35,027 --> 00:46:36,467
Speaker 20: at home in Hamilton.

912
00:46:36,747 --> 00:46:38,907
Speaker 2: As you were mulling it over and discussing it, no

913
00:46:38,947 --> 00:46:41,547
Speaker 2: doubt with your family and others who whose opinions mean

914
00:46:41,587 --> 00:46:43,987
Speaker 2: the most to you, did you consider going on for

915
00:46:44,027 --> 00:46:45,867
Speaker 2: a bit longer?

916
00:46:46,347 --> 00:46:48,627
Speaker 20: Yeah, as you do when you make any decision, your

917
00:46:49,227 --> 00:46:53,867
Speaker 20: wigh up a number of options and and obviously carrying

918
00:46:53,907 --> 00:46:55,107
Speaker 20: on was was.

919
00:46:54,787 --> 00:46:57,307
Speaker 13: Was one of them? Or or put on the pen

920
00:46:57,467 --> 00:46:59,987
Speaker 13: was the other one? So yeah, you mull over it

921
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:01,547
Speaker 13: your way up the pros.

922
00:47:01,347 --> 00:47:04,147
Speaker 20: And cons, and you try and I guess come up

923
00:47:04,187 --> 00:47:06,867
Speaker 20: with with what decision you think is right and I

924
00:47:06,987 --> 00:47:08,627
Speaker 20: felt that this is the right decision.

925
00:47:08,667 --> 00:47:08,827
Speaker 13: Now.

926
00:47:09,547 --> 00:47:12,067
Speaker 20: Also look around and he's a great group of young

927
00:47:12,107 --> 00:47:15,707
Speaker 20: bowlers coming through which I've had the privilege to play

928
00:47:15,747 --> 00:47:21,067
Speaker 20: alongside and work with, and I'm excited about about them

929
00:47:21,107 --> 00:47:24,747
Speaker 20: and watching them keep taking this keep moving this team

930
00:47:24,787 --> 00:47:25,307
Speaker 20: forward as well.

931
00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:28,027
Speaker 2: Were speaking of young bowlers. March two thousand and eight

932
00:47:28,387 --> 00:47:31,787
Speaker 2: Test Tabu against England and Napier nineteen years old. After

933
00:47:31,827 --> 00:47:33,627
Speaker 2: three overs on your debut, you had two for not

934
00:47:33,747 --> 00:47:35,667
Speaker 2: many and they were Michael Vorn and Andrew Strauss. You

935
00:47:35,707 --> 00:47:38,227
Speaker 2: must have thought Test cricket was a piece of cake.

936
00:47:39,547 --> 00:47:43,027
Speaker 20: Yeah, a dreams start, just I guess, to play his

937
00:47:43,067 --> 00:47:45,267
Speaker 20: cricket at such a young age, having not played a

938
00:47:46,107 --> 00:47:47,827
Speaker 20: lot of first class cricket and not been out of

939
00:47:48,227 --> 00:47:49,947
Speaker 20: I guess, not been out of school for that long either,

940
00:47:49,987 --> 00:47:54,187
Speaker 20: and been thrown straight in there against again a quality

941
00:47:54,267 --> 00:48:00,027
Speaker 20: side in England and some great players, was just a

942
00:48:00,107 --> 00:48:04,267
Speaker 20: dream come true. I think I was probably young enough

943
00:48:04,307 --> 00:48:05,987
Speaker 20: to be a little bit naive as as to what

944
00:48:06,027 --> 00:48:08,347
Speaker 20: I was will get into, and just had that freedom

945
00:48:08,387 --> 00:48:10,907
Speaker 20: that a lot of teenagers have. So yeah, it was

946
00:48:10,947 --> 00:48:15,107
Speaker 20: just a great, great way to start. And I guess,

947
00:48:15,507 --> 00:48:18,067
Speaker 20: I guess take an early wicket to know that you

948
00:48:18,547 --> 00:48:20,867
Speaker 20: belong and you can, and I guess settle the nears

949
00:48:20,867 --> 00:48:23,387
Speaker 20: A little bit was made that day a little bit easier,

950
00:48:23,547 --> 00:48:23,867
Speaker 20: and you.

951
00:48:23,827 --> 00:48:27,627
Speaker 2: Grew and developed the course across a sixteen seventeen year career.

952
00:48:27,667 --> 00:48:30,507
Speaker 2: When do you think your Test bowling sweet spot was?

953
00:48:30,547 --> 00:48:32,627
Speaker 2: When do you reckon you were bowling at your best

954
00:48:32,627 --> 00:48:33,267
Speaker 2: with the Red Bull?

955
00:48:35,307 --> 00:48:39,507
Speaker 13: Yeah? I guess you go through through periods. I think probably.

956
00:48:39,587 --> 00:48:42,707
Speaker 20: Yeah, So you look at that that run to the

957
00:48:42,907 --> 00:48:47,587
Speaker 20: to the Test Championship final, the I guess the partnership

958
00:48:47,627 --> 00:48:49,987
Speaker 20: with BOLTI there for for a long period of time

959
00:48:50,187 --> 00:48:53,787
Speaker 20: was probably, I guess the sweet spot. And I guess

960
00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:56,467
Speaker 20: the success we had in that time was was a

961
00:48:56,507 --> 00:48:58,867
Speaker 20: lot down. So I guess not only the runs, the

962
00:48:58,867 --> 00:49:01,067
Speaker 20: better school, but obviously the ability to take twenty wickets

963
00:49:01,067 --> 00:49:02,947
Speaker 20: and the bowling group that we had at that time.

964
00:49:03,267 --> 00:49:05,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're and Trent obviously one of our most famous

965
00:49:05,787 --> 00:49:09,227
Speaker 2: combinations eight hundred and thirty odd international wickets across one

966
00:49:09,307 --> 00:49:11,907
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven games together. How much do you

967
00:49:11,907 --> 00:49:14,547
Speaker 2: think your success came from bowling with Trent Bold? And

968
00:49:14,587 --> 00:49:16,787
Speaker 2: vice versa? How much of hers do you think came

969
00:49:16,787 --> 00:49:17,947
Speaker 2: from bowling alongside you.

970
00:49:18,947 --> 00:49:19,707
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think a lot.

971
00:49:19,747 --> 00:49:21,627
Speaker 20: We have a lot to I guess thank each other

972
00:49:21,667 --> 00:49:26,267
Speaker 20: for and and a partnership that I am really cherished

973
00:49:26,267 --> 00:49:29,467
Speaker 20: and enjoyed, enjoyed bowling alongside. And we're very fortunate to

974
00:49:29,507 --> 00:49:34,187
Speaker 20: do it at under ninety level Fingy Zealand and Northern

975
00:49:34,227 --> 00:49:37,867
Speaker 20: Districts and then domestically for free end every now and then.

976
00:49:37,907 --> 00:49:41,027
Speaker 13: But to do it with a good mate.

977
00:49:40,827 --> 00:49:44,427
Speaker 20: For ten years across all all three formats and at

978
00:49:44,427 --> 00:49:47,667
Speaker 20: international cricket was pretty special. So yeah, I think we

979
00:49:47,747 --> 00:49:49,867
Speaker 20: complimented each other pretty well and I think the success

980
00:49:49,867 --> 00:49:53,307
Speaker 20: that we had in that period of time was helped

981
00:49:53,347 --> 00:49:55,147
Speaker 20: by the work that we did for each other.

982
00:49:55,587 --> 00:49:58,587
Speaker 2: Where does the World Test Championship victory sit in amongst

983
00:49:58,627 --> 00:49:59,827
Speaker 2: your achievements.

984
00:50:01,067 --> 00:50:03,667
Speaker 20: Yeah, there's a number of number of yes, sort of

985
00:50:03,747 --> 00:50:04,987
Speaker 20: have a little bit of time and I'm sure there

986
00:50:05,027 --> 00:50:08,027
Speaker 20: be more time reflecting over over over the next wee while.

987
00:50:08,067 --> 00:50:10,667
Speaker 20: But you look back and I think the Test Championship

988
00:50:10,667 --> 00:50:15,027
Speaker 20: has to be at the top of what what, what's

989
00:50:15,147 --> 00:50:18,427
Speaker 20: what's going on in the last sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years

990
00:50:19,547 --> 00:50:22,747
Speaker 20: And alongside the I guess the last few weeks we've

991
00:50:22,747 --> 00:50:26,507
Speaker 20: had in India, so yeah, I think to win a

992
00:50:26,547 --> 00:50:27,227
Speaker 20: world title.

993
00:50:28,547 --> 00:50:29,227
Speaker 13: I guess big.

994
00:50:29,067 --> 00:50:32,627
Speaker 20: Crown World Champions in the in the purest format was

995
00:50:33,107 --> 00:50:33,747
Speaker 20: pretty special.

996
00:50:34,107 --> 00:50:36,747
Speaker 2: You've played an awful lot of cricket for a past bowler.

997
00:50:37,747 --> 00:50:40,387
Speaker 2: What has been the secret of your longevity and the

998
00:50:40,427 --> 00:50:43,547
Speaker 2: relative lack of injury should suffered across your career.

999
00:50:45,467 --> 00:50:49,307
Speaker 20: Yeah, I guess having a reasonably smooth actions has helped.

1000
00:50:51,147 --> 00:50:54,667
Speaker 20: I guess just the hard work that goes in behind that.

1001
00:50:54,907 --> 00:50:57,307
Speaker 20: A lot of people see the conditioning side of things,

1002
00:50:57,627 --> 00:50:58,987
Speaker 20: getting yourself, getting your.

1003
00:50:58,907 --> 00:51:01,467
Speaker 13: Body ready, getting your body right. You play a lot

1004
00:51:01,467 --> 00:51:03,867
Speaker 13: of it with with with niggles and.

1005
00:51:06,387 --> 00:51:08,067
Speaker 20: Yeah, I guess with with a bit of pain throughout

1006
00:51:08,067 --> 00:51:10,467
Speaker 20: there throughout the time as well. But but just I

1007
00:51:10,467 --> 00:51:13,307
Speaker 20: think what gets you through is just the I guess,

1008
00:51:13,307 --> 00:51:15,707
Speaker 20: the fulfillment you get for going out and doing what

1009
00:51:15,747 --> 00:51:20,267
Speaker 20: we do in the representing our country and and.

1010
00:51:19,347 --> 00:51:21,267
Speaker 13: And fulfilling a childhood dream.

1011
00:51:21,947 --> 00:51:24,587
Speaker 20: So I think, yeah, it's just been very fortunate, been

1012
00:51:24,907 --> 00:51:28,067
Speaker 20: I guess lucky at times to be able to play

1013
00:51:28,107 --> 00:51:29,907
Speaker 20: as much as much as they have. But there's a

1014
00:51:29,907 --> 00:51:33,027
Speaker 20: lot of a lot of work. Like like like anythink

1015
00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:34,667
Speaker 20: you have have success, there's a lot of work that

1016
00:51:34,707 --> 00:51:36,787
Speaker 20: goes on behind the scenes that that not many people see.

1017
00:51:37,267 --> 00:51:40,267
Speaker 2: How much has the way you bowled in Test cricket

1018
00:51:40,387 --> 00:51:44,827
Speaker 2: changed over your long Test career.

1019
00:51:47,187 --> 00:51:49,867
Speaker 20: Not too much, I think obviously the skill set has

1020
00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:51,547
Speaker 20: always been the same. I've sort of only reready had

1021
00:51:51,547 --> 00:51:56,067
Speaker 20: the outswing delivery and developed I guess the three quarterball.

1022
00:51:55,627 --> 00:51:59,707
Speaker 13: And yeah, a lot of my my bowling has been.

1023
00:52:00,387 --> 00:52:04,707
Speaker 20: I guess channeling around consistency and and I guess been

1024
00:52:04,827 --> 00:52:08,027
Speaker 20: being relentless in your in your line lenks. So yeah,

1025
00:52:08,027 --> 00:52:11,227
Speaker 20: I guess there's not a lot has changed over the years.

1026
00:52:11,267 --> 00:52:13,347
Speaker 20: You just try and try and use your experience and

1027
00:52:14,187 --> 00:52:16,787
Speaker 20: I guess learning all the time, trying to improve.

1028
00:52:16,467 --> 00:52:17,547
Speaker 13: In certain ways.

1029
00:52:18,027 --> 00:52:20,107
Speaker 20: But in terms of skills set, it hasn't changed changed

1030
00:52:20,147 --> 00:52:20,627
Speaker 20: too much.

1031
00:52:21,067 --> 00:52:22,867
Speaker 2: How do you reflect on your time as New Zealand

1032
00:52:22,947 --> 00:52:23,627
Speaker 2: Test captain?

1033
00:52:25,427 --> 00:52:28,307
Speaker 20: Yeah, it was probably something I never thought I would

1034
00:52:28,307 --> 00:52:28,627
Speaker 20: have done.

1035
00:52:29,067 --> 00:52:31,307
Speaker 13: I really enjoyed the role.

1036
00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:35,907
Speaker 20: I enjoy thinking about the game, kid deeply about the side,

1037
00:52:35,987 --> 00:52:38,187
Speaker 20: so it was nice to have a real privilege to

1038
00:52:38,867 --> 00:52:40,667
Speaker 20: lead the side for a period of time.

1039
00:52:41,147 --> 00:52:42,827
Speaker 2: I think my favorite memory of yours actually was a

1040
00:52:42,867 --> 00:52:45,987
Speaker 2: white ball game seven to thirty three against England in

1041
00:52:46,027 --> 00:52:48,867
Speaker 2: Wellington at the twenty fifteen Cricket World Cup. Where does

1042
00:52:48,907 --> 00:52:51,107
Speaker 2: that set among your favorite days playing for New Zealand.

1043
00:52:52,267 --> 00:52:54,867
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think that was just one of those days,

1044
00:52:55,067 --> 00:52:56,987
Speaker 20: and you don't have many of them, but that was

1045
00:52:56,987 --> 00:53:01,547
Speaker 20: one of them where, Yeah, just a dream day. A

1046
00:53:01,587 --> 00:53:05,627
Speaker 20: World Cup in New Zealand was special, the cricket we

1047
00:53:05,627 --> 00:53:07,187
Speaker 20: were playing at the time, and.

1048
00:53:07,107 --> 00:53:09,587
Speaker 13: That sort of, I guess, sort of ignited.

1049
00:53:09,267 --> 00:53:12,947
Speaker 20: Our our World Cup that that that that day, I

1050
00:53:12,947 --> 00:53:15,187
Speaker 20: think not only the way we bowl, but also the

1051
00:53:15,187 --> 00:53:18,787
Speaker 20: way that Brendan particularly went out and really sort of

1052
00:53:20,227 --> 00:53:22,467
Speaker 20: sort of took it to the English bowlers and and

1053
00:53:22,787 --> 00:53:25,547
Speaker 20: really put a statement on that tournament. So yeah, I

1054
00:53:25,587 --> 00:53:30,587
Speaker 20: think just seeing the captain full hearing and playing in

1055
00:53:30,627 --> 00:53:32,987
Speaker 20: front of front of full stadiums throughout that whole tournament

1056
00:53:33,067 --> 00:53:35,747
Speaker 20: was was certainly a highlight as well of my career.

1057
00:53:35,827 --> 00:53:37,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great time. So you need fifteen

1058
00:53:37,587 --> 00:53:41,547
Speaker 2: wickets for four hundred Test matches, you need four sixers

1059
00:53:41,907 --> 00:53:44,907
Speaker 2: for one hundred sixers and Test matches? What what would

1060
00:53:44,907 --> 00:53:47,067
Speaker 2: you what would you rather do if you only had one?

1061
00:53:47,187 --> 00:53:47,827
Speaker 2: If you could only.

1062
00:53:47,787 --> 00:53:53,667
Speaker 13: Choose one, Yeah, I guess you sit here and it'd

1063
00:53:53,667 --> 00:53:54,627
Speaker 13: be nice to have both of them.

1064
00:53:54,667 --> 00:53:57,907
Speaker 20: But but I think as when you started, and as

1065
00:53:57,907 --> 00:54:00,587
Speaker 20: a kid you're I guess taking one wicket would have

1066
00:54:00,587 --> 00:54:03,147
Speaker 20: been would have been a dream, contruders.

1067
00:54:03,267 --> 00:54:04,947
Speaker 13: So to sit here with with.

1068
00:54:04,947 --> 00:54:07,987
Speaker 20: Close to eight hundred food fingers across all all three

1069
00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:08,747
Speaker 20: formats is.

1070
00:54:09,747 --> 00:54:11,907
Speaker 13: Has been pretty special. And I guess something.

1071
00:54:11,747 --> 00:54:14,747
Speaker 20: I'll effect on in time. So yeah, four hundred will

1072
00:54:14,787 --> 00:54:19,267
Speaker 20: be nice. But I guess three three nine yards still

1073
00:54:19,267 --> 00:54:21,547
Speaker 20: not a bet effort as well, so yeah it'd be nice,

1074
00:54:21,587 --> 00:54:23,627
Speaker 20: so I guess to cross over that. But if not,

1075
00:54:23,747 --> 00:54:27,027
Speaker 20: then just yeah, I guess been very very privileged and

1076
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Speaker 20: very honor to be able to represent his ylland and

1077
00:54:31,147 --> 00:54:33,387
Speaker 20: do what I love doing for for such a long

1078
00:54:33,387 --> 00:54:35,867
Speaker 20: period of time. I guess being a bowler would be

1079
00:54:35,947 --> 00:54:39,307
Speaker 20: nice to sit there and and uh and tick off

1080
00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:41,267
Speaker 20: a betting a betting record.

1081
00:54:40,947 --> 00:54:43,867
Speaker 2: In some way, And will you continue to play domestically

1082
00:54:43,947 --> 00:54:46,827
Speaker 2: franchise cricket perhaps be on this calendar year.

1083
00:54:47,587 --> 00:54:49,827
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'd still like, I still feel like I can

1084
00:54:51,147 --> 00:54:52,947
Speaker 20: still got this games given me a lot, and I'd

1085
00:54:52,947 --> 00:54:55,147
Speaker 20: like to carry on playing for for a period of time.

1086
00:54:55,267 --> 00:54:58,627
Speaker 20: So yeah, I think, just I guess the toll that

1087
00:54:58,627 --> 00:55:01,667
Speaker 20: Test cricket takes on on you and and the tea twenty,

1088
00:55:01,787 --> 00:55:04,107
Speaker 20: the amount of Teach twenty crickets out there, and so

1089
00:55:04,147 --> 00:55:05,947
Speaker 20: I think you I'd like to to continue to play

1090
00:55:06,667 --> 00:55:08,867
Speaker 20: in some way over over the last few years.

1091
00:55:09,227 --> 00:55:12,827
Speaker 2: Congratulations on an absolutely outstanding Test career, Tim, I hope

1092
00:55:12,867 --> 00:55:14,627
Speaker 2: it ends on a high over the next month or so.

1093
00:55:14,747 --> 00:55:16,387
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time for a chat.

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00:55:16,987 --> 00:55:18,867
Speaker 13: No worries, tes pony, No, thank you Tim.

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00:55:18,907 --> 00:55:22,787
Speaker 2: Tim Southey yesterday announcing that the upcoming Test series against

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00:55:22,787 --> 00:55:25,507
Speaker 2: England three tests, christ Church, Wellington, Hamilton, that'll be it

1097
00:55:25,627 --> 00:55:28,307
Speaker 2: for him as far as the Test arena is concerned.

1098
00:55:28,347 --> 00:55:31,147
Speaker 2: I'm can to hear your reflections actually on Tim Southey

1099
00:55:31,747 --> 00:55:35,347
Speaker 2: and his long career. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1100
00:55:35,387 --> 00:55:37,227
Speaker 2: eight are going to open the lines on this. There's

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00:55:37,267 --> 00:55:40,427
Speaker 2: absolutely no doubt he'll go down as one of our

1102
00:55:40,467 --> 00:55:44,387
Speaker 2: best ever seam bowlers. And cricket's a game, isn't it

1103
00:55:44,427 --> 00:55:47,987
Speaker 2: where you can use stats as a pretty good guide

1104
00:55:48,027 --> 00:55:51,627
Speaker 2: as to someone's influence on a game, and Tim Southy's

1105
00:55:51,787 --> 00:55:55,467
Speaker 2: stats absolutely stack up. As I mentioned at the top

1106
00:55:55,507 --> 00:55:58,067
Speaker 2: of the chat, one hundred and four Test matches spread

1107
00:55:58,067 --> 00:56:02,907
Speaker 2: over seventeen summers, three hundred and eighty five Test wickets,

1108
00:56:02,907 --> 00:56:06,347
Speaker 2: second only to the great Sir Richard Hadley three hundred

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00:56:06,587 --> 00:56:10,347
Speaker 2: eighty five international white ball wickets as well. The only

1110
00:56:10,427 --> 00:56:15,147
Speaker 2: player in the world to claim three hundred Test wickets,

1111
00:56:15,427 --> 00:56:20,107
Speaker 2: two hundred ODI wickets and one hundred T twenty international wickets.

1112
00:56:20,147 --> 00:56:23,707
Speaker 2: Nobody else has done that. One of only four players

1113
00:56:23,747 --> 00:56:26,507
Speaker 2: in the world to play more than one hundred matches

1114
00:56:26,987 --> 00:56:30,907
Speaker 2: in all three international formats. One of only six New

1115
00:56:30,987 --> 00:56:34,107
Speaker 2: Zealanders to play one hundred Test matches in T twenties.

1116
00:56:34,107 --> 00:56:36,827
Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty four T twenty wickets the most

1117
00:56:37,227 --> 00:56:40,907
Speaker 2: in world cricket. But the numbers are just a part

1118
00:56:40,907 --> 00:56:44,187
Speaker 2: of it, obviously. Tim Southey's been a part of the

1119
00:56:44,307 --> 00:56:48,147
Speaker 2: most successful period in our Test cricket history, and he's

1120
00:56:48,147 --> 00:56:51,787
Speaker 2: displayed a longevity and a resilience that is pretty rare

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00:56:52,507 --> 00:56:55,947
Speaker 2: among fast bowlers. You only have to look around at

1122
00:56:55,947 --> 00:57:00,427
Speaker 2: some other fast bowlers whose careers have been cut short

1123
00:57:00,467 --> 00:57:04,987
Speaker 2: by injuries, both nigli ones and long term ones, and

1124
00:57:05,067 --> 00:57:08,387
Speaker 2: look at Coyle Jamison. He's the best current example of this.

1125
00:57:09,347 --> 00:57:12,027
Speaker 2: You know, his career has just been you know, even

1126
00:57:12,067 --> 00:57:15,187
Speaker 2: though it's quite short. When did Corle Jamison first play

1127
00:57:15,227 --> 00:57:18,947
Speaker 2: for US twenty nineteen twenty twenty around there. He just

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00:57:19,027 --> 00:57:23,307
Speaker 2: has had no luck with injuries. Shane Bond another one.

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00:57:23,707 --> 00:57:26,507
Speaker 2: I know he was bowling a bit quicker, but Tim

1130
00:57:26,547 --> 00:57:30,387
Speaker 2: Southey has remained pretty much injury free the whole time,

1131
00:57:31,147 --> 00:57:34,427
Speaker 2: and he's been part of many of our great Test victories.

1132
00:57:34,427 --> 00:57:38,947
Speaker 2: Here's another stat for you. Forty six times he has

1133
00:57:38,987 --> 00:57:41,747
Speaker 2: been on the winning side for New Zealand in Test

1134
00:57:41,747 --> 00:57:45,267
Speaker 2: cricket forty six. That's the most by any New Zealand player.

1135
00:57:45,747 --> 00:57:48,627
Speaker 2: He's got the most wickets for New Zealand in Test

1136
00:57:48,787 --> 00:57:52,027
Speaker 2: victories two hundred and seven in Test victories in an

1137
00:57:52,027 --> 00:57:56,507
Speaker 2: average of twenty two. And in every Test match that

1138
00:57:56,587 --> 00:57:59,387
Speaker 2: he's played in that New Zealand's has won, he has

1139
00:57:59,427 --> 00:58:01,667
Speaker 2: taken at least one wicket in all of those Tests.

1140
00:58:03,147 --> 00:58:05,707
Speaker 2: And as I said before, his career, you know, the

1141
00:58:05,787 --> 00:58:08,867
Speaker 2: end of it have been overshadowed slightly by a bit

1142
00:58:08,907 --> 00:58:12,107
Speaker 2: of a mixed bag as Test captain, and I guess

1143
00:58:12,667 --> 00:58:16,947
Speaker 2: a reduced ability to take wickets at the back end

1144
00:58:16,947 --> 00:58:20,667
Speaker 2: of his career. That shouldn't detract from his legacy. There's

1145
00:58:20,707 --> 00:58:24,947
Speaker 2: no way it should detract from his legacy. Here's one

1146
00:58:24,987 --> 00:58:28,667
Speaker 2: of our greats, one of our absolute grades. Your thoughts

1147
00:58:28,667 --> 00:58:31,307
Speaker 2: are welcome on Tim southy oh eight hundred and eighty

1148
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Speaker 2: ten eighty back with some of your thoughts after this

1149
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Speaker 2: one twenty four on Weekend Sport.

1150
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1152
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Speaker 2: One twenty seven on News Talks. There'll be some great

1154
00:58:49,187 --> 00:58:53,827
Speaker 2: texts coming through on Tim Southey. I was just thinking

1155
00:58:53,867 --> 00:58:56,987
Speaker 2: during the break that the mark of any great player,

1156
00:58:57,027 --> 00:59:00,307
Speaker 2: I guess is that they're in the conversation for for

1157
00:59:00,427 --> 00:59:02,187
Speaker 2: a best ever eleven. You know, we all do this,

1158
00:59:02,227 --> 00:59:04,027
Speaker 2: don't We sit around and we say, okay, what's our

1159
00:59:04,067 --> 00:59:06,307
Speaker 2: best ever Test cricket eleven?

1160
00:59:07,187 --> 00:59:07,427
Speaker 6: And you.

1161
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:11,667
Speaker 2: Sort of kick a few ideas around about who opens

1162
00:59:11,667 --> 00:59:13,987
Speaker 2: the batting, who comes in and number three all that stuff,

1163
00:59:13,987 --> 00:59:15,787
Speaker 2: and then you get down to the bowlers and take all, right,

1164
00:59:15,787 --> 00:59:18,187
Speaker 2: who are our bowlers and our best ever Test eleven?

1165
00:59:18,187 --> 00:59:23,147
Speaker 2: And obviously Sir Richard Hadley's there, so he's there, And

1166
00:59:23,187 --> 00:59:27,307
Speaker 2: then I think you generally accept that Trent Bolt's there too,

1167
00:59:27,507 --> 00:59:29,707
Speaker 2: even though he doesn't hasn't taken as many wickets as

1168
00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,787
Speaker 2: Tim Southee. I think Trent Bolt, I don't know. He

1169
00:59:33,267 --> 00:59:36,787
Speaker 2: seems to turn up in most people's best Test elevens,

1170
00:59:37,147 --> 00:59:40,267
Speaker 2: but I think Tim Southey's your third seemer and that

1171
00:59:41,507 --> 00:59:45,827
Speaker 2: in that fictional best ever Test eleven, isn't he? If

1172
00:59:45,867 --> 00:59:48,787
Speaker 2: you if you're picking the best ever and you're taking

1173
00:59:48,827 --> 00:59:51,587
Speaker 2: three seam bowlers, I think it's Sir Richard Hadley, Trent

1174
00:59:51,627 --> 00:59:55,187
Speaker 2: Bolt and Tim Southy. There are three best, don't they.

1175
00:59:55,867 --> 00:59:58,107
Speaker 2: There's certainly our three highest wicket takers. I know that's

1176
00:59:58,107 --> 01:00:00,867
Speaker 2: only one metric, but as I said before, Test cricket

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01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:04,507
Speaker 2: allows you to use stats in a fairly accurate sense

1178
01:00:04,707 --> 01:00:08,187
Speaker 2: as far as somebody's impact on a game. Graham says,

1179
01:00:08,187 --> 01:00:10,307
Speaker 2: Soudy's my first change bowler and the best New Zealand

1180
01:00:10,347 --> 01:00:12,987
Speaker 2: Test team of all time with Hadley and Bolt opening.

1181
01:00:13,027 --> 01:00:18,587
Speaker 2: Thanks Graham. There's been a few times, says Nathan and

1182
01:00:18,627 --> 01:00:21,027
Speaker 2: Tim Southy's career when people have said to Cullum loose,

1183
01:00:21,187 --> 01:00:24,467
Speaker 2: and every time he's answered with wonderful cricket. Let's hope

1184
01:00:24,467 --> 01:00:27,507
Speaker 2: Tim can finish strong like he deserves too. Let's not

1185
01:00:27,587 --> 01:00:31,107
Speaker 2: forget how good his catching has been as well. He'll

1186
01:00:31,107 --> 01:00:33,707
Speaker 2: be sorely missed. He has a great of New Zealand cricket.

1187
01:00:33,747 --> 01:00:36,947
Speaker 2: Thanks Nathan, great words, Lindsay says, Jason think it was

1188
01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:38,987
Speaker 2: Tim Soude who gave one of the best all time

1189
01:00:39,067 --> 01:00:41,387
Speaker 2: quotes that I've passed on many times. He'd been taking

1190
01:00:41,627 --> 01:00:45,147
Speaker 2: pain injections and he was asked how he was playing

1191
01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:48,307
Speaker 2: or how it felt playing with injections. He replied the

1192
01:00:48,347 --> 01:00:53,347
Speaker 2: best painkiller was getting wickets. A great quote. Thank you, Lindsey.

1193
01:00:54,867 --> 01:00:58,667
Speaker 2: Rob says full credit to Tim Soudy on an exceptional career.

1194
01:01:01,747 --> 01:01:05,267
Speaker 2: Thanks Rob, I appreciate your text. Shane Bond before bolto

1195
01:01:05,347 --> 01:01:09,227
Speaker 2: Saude in the all time Lefe says this one. Shane

1196
01:01:09,227 --> 01:01:13,147
Speaker 2: Bond has to be in the team says this one. Yeah,

1197
01:01:13,787 --> 01:01:15,627
Speaker 2: I didn't mean this to be a discussion on this,

1198
01:01:15,707 --> 01:01:21,667
Speaker 2: but I guess it's morphed into that. Come on, Jason

1199
01:01:22,067 --> 01:01:25,027
Speaker 2: says this one. We all know Richard Hadley wouldn't have

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01:01:25,067 --> 01:01:26,987
Speaker 2: taken as many wickets as he did without you and

1201
01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:30,067
Speaker 2: Chatfield at the other end, So you've got to have

1202
01:01:30,147 --> 01:01:33,507
Speaker 2: him and the team. Yeah again, we're talking partnerships here,

1203
01:01:33,507 --> 01:01:37,827
Speaker 2: aren't we. And the South The Bolt one, there's no argument,

1204
01:01:38,107 --> 01:01:41,467
Speaker 2: was our best ever opening bowling partnership better than I mean,

1205
01:01:41,507 --> 01:01:43,787
Speaker 2: I grew up in the era of Hadley and Chapfield.

1206
01:01:44,587 --> 01:01:48,347
Speaker 2: I love both men dearly, but I think even they

1207
01:01:48,387 --> 01:01:51,987
Speaker 2: would accept that as a partnership. Trent Bolton, Tim is

1208
01:01:52,067 --> 01:01:55,627
Speaker 2: how they are our best ever. Shane Bond with exclamation marks,

1209
01:01:56,707 --> 01:02:00,227
Speaker 2: says Paul. Shane Bond every time, says Tim. Shane Bond

1210
01:02:00,227 --> 01:02:02,387
Speaker 2: has to be in the best team. Okay, we can

1211
01:02:02,427 --> 01:02:03,827
Speaker 2: have Shane Bond and then I can put him in.

1212
01:02:04,507 --> 01:02:06,547
Speaker 2: I think you can still have Bolt, Hadley, south The

1213
01:02:06,587 --> 01:02:09,787
Speaker 2: and Bond because Haley can he can be an all rounder.

1214
01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:12,227
Speaker 2: He can be your number seven. Then you left with eight, nine,

1215
01:02:12,307 --> 01:02:15,907
Speaker 2: ten to eleven. So we get a Vitry writing this

1216
01:02:15,947 --> 01:02:22,707
Speaker 2: down as I speak, sau the Bond Bolt, So Sir

1217
01:02:22,827 --> 01:02:26,667
Speaker 2: Richard comes in at number seven, then Vitry Soudy Bond

1218
01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:29,827
Speaker 2: Bolts either they go. I've got them all on. How

1219
01:02:29,867 --> 01:02:32,947
Speaker 2: will Gary Stead, black Caps coach, remember Tim Southy. Yeah.

1220
01:02:32,987 --> 01:02:35,907
Speaker 21: Look, I think Tim's numbers will speak for themselves. I

1221
01:02:35,907 --> 01:02:38,587
Speaker 21: mean he's the amy bowler I think in world cricket

1222
01:02:38,627 --> 01:02:40,707
Speaker 21: to take three hundred Test wickets, two hundred eightys and

1223
01:02:40,707 --> 01:02:43,947
Speaker 21: one hundred internationals. His longevity in the game I think

1224
01:02:43,987 --> 01:02:47,667
Speaker 21: has been quite incredible rarely. He's a guy that's been very,

1225
01:02:47,747 --> 01:02:49,947
Speaker 21: very resilient, hasn't had a lot of injuries throughout his

1226
01:02:49,947 --> 01:02:53,027
Speaker 21: whole career, and I know someone that we've certainly lean

1227
01:02:53,147 --> 01:02:56,587
Speaker 21: on with our team and across all formats. So he'll

1228
01:02:56,627 --> 01:02:59,107
Speaker 21: be a huge hole, I think, But all good things

1229
01:02:59,147 --> 01:03:01,147
Speaker 21: come to an end at some stage, and look, I

1230
01:03:01,227 --> 01:03:04,427
Speaker 21: just congratulate him him on a fantastic career for New Zealand.

1231
01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:07,347
Speaker 2: So what will tim Soudi's legas be in the eyes

1232
01:03:07,387 --> 01:03:08,307
Speaker 2: of Gary Stead.

1233
01:03:08,507 --> 01:03:11,827
Speaker 21: Look, it's always hard, I think to know that for

1234
01:03:11,867 --> 01:03:14,507
Speaker 21: sure now, but he's been part of a group of

1235
01:03:14,547 --> 01:03:18,827
Speaker 21: bowlers who have been instrumental in getting New Zealand across

1236
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,827
Speaker 21: all three formats to where they are now and being

1237
01:03:22,147 --> 01:03:25,347
Speaker 21: a competitive side. I think Timmy's probably seen some of

1238
01:03:25,387 --> 01:03:28,187
Speaker 21: the dark times of the Black Caps side as well,

1239
01:03:28,187 --> 01:03:30,667
Speaker 21: when things weren't going so well. So to be a

1240
01:03:30,707 --> 01:03:35,107
Speaker 21: part of that, I guess, growing the unit, growing the team,

1241
01:03:35,267 --> 01:03:37,707
Speaker 21: the environment, the way we want to want to be seen.

1242
01:03:37,827 --> 01:03:39,427
Speaker 21: I think he's been a big, big part of that,

1243
01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:42,787
Speaker 21: and apart from his numbers and what he's done on

1244
01:03:42,827 --> 01:03:44,867
Speaker 21: the park, I think that'll be a big part of it.

1245
01:03:45,067 --> 01:03:48,507
Speaker 2: And what about his off field influence on the Black Apps.

1246
01:03:48,627 --> 01:03:51,747
Speaker 21: Yeah, Timmy's a real tough nut. I mean he's as

1247
01:03:51,747 --> 01:03:55,947
Speaker 21: I said, he's resilient. There'll be times he's very, very sore,

1248
01:03:56,107 --> 01:03:58,107
Speaker 21: especially in test matches, but he gets up and he

1249
01:03:58,147 --> 01:04:01,107
Speaker 21: goes again, and I think that's a real key one,

1250
01:04:01,147 --> 01:04:05,547
Speaker 21: I think, especially across test matches. Look, he's always put

1251
01:04:05,547 --> 01:04:10,827
Speaker 21: the team first. He's a guy that will get around others.

1252
01:04:11,547 --> 01:04:13,867
Speaker 21: He'll go and seek out guys who may be struggling

1253
01:04:13,947 --> 01:04:16,107
Speaker 21: a bit and get his arm around them and make

1254
01:04:16,147 --> 01:04:18,147
Speaker 21: sure that he can get them back up again, because

1255
01:04:18,147 --> 01:04:20,827
Speaker 21: he knows the value of being a team sport. It's

1256
01:04:20,867 --> 01:04:23,307
Speaker 21: not just about one individual, it's about everyone doing it.

1257
01:04:23,387 --> 01:04:27,947
Speaker 2: And finally from Gary Stead, any particular highlights of tim

1258
01:04:27,987 --> 01:04:30,267
Speaker 2: Southy's career as a Black App.

1259
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:33,267
Speaker 21: Jeez, Look, he's a bit of a prankster. I mean,

1260
01:04:33,267 --> 01:04:34,827
Speaker 21: he's always willing to have a bit of a laugh

1261
01:04:35,107 --> 01:04:38,467
Speaker 21: off the field, and I think if there's anything untoward

1262
01:04:38,547 --> 01:04:40,307
Speaker 21: going on, you probably look at Saudi as one of

1263
01:04:40,307 --> 01:04:42,867
Speaker 21: the first people to be in and involved in that

1264
01:04:42,947 --> 01:04:45,147
Speaker 21: as well. But I think on the field, I mean

1265
01:04:45,187 --> 01:04:49,507
Speaker 21: you've mentioned a couple World Cup finals in both T

1266
01:04:49,507 --> 01:04:52,827
Speaker 21: twenty and ODI Cricket. He was a key performer through

1267
01:04:52,867 --> 01:04:56,387
Speaker 21: the World Test Championship cycle and then ultimately going on

1268
01:04:56,427 --> 01:04:59,347
Speaker 21: to win that as well. And maybe it hasn't sunk

1269
01:04:59,427 --> 01:05:01,027
Speaker 21: him with Tim right now, but I think when you

1270
01:05:01,107 --> 01:05:03,667
Speaker 21: look back on that and times to come, you'll really

1271
01:05:03,747 --> 01:05:08,747
Speaker 21: appreciate the roles and I guess the part that he

1272
01:05:08,787 --> 01:05:09,747
Speaker 21: played in that as well.

1273
01:05:10,227 --> 01:05:13,987
Speaker 2: There you go, Gary Steed on the career of Tim Southy.

1274
01:05:14,027 --> 01:05:15,787
Speaker 2: I realize I haven't picked a wicket keeper in my

1275
01:05:15,947 --> 01:05:20,307
Speaker 2: fictional eleven. So if I have Sir Richard Hadley, Dan

1276
01:05:20,387 --> 01:05:23,107
Speaker 2: for Tory, Tim Southy, Shane Bond and Trent Bolt, then

1277
01:05:23,147 --> 01:05:24,787
Speaker 2: my wicket keeper's got a bat in the top six.

1278
01:05:24,947 --> 01:05:26,827
Speaker 2: So I guess I could have Brendan McCallum. I could

1279
01:05:26,867 --> 01:05:30,507
Speaker 2: have bej Watling. Yeah, anyway, I didn't exercise I didn't

1280
01:05:30,507 --> 01:05:32,707
Speaker 2: mean for this to become a discussion on that, although

1281
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Speaker 2: it has on text. What about Dick Motts, you and Chatfield,

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01:05:36,147 --> 01:05:41,867
Speaker 2: Richard Collins emotion over record. If Motts and Collins had

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01:05:41,867 --> 01:05:44,347
Speaker 2: played more Tests, they would have got more wickets. Clearly

1284
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Speaker 2: Hadley thrived off Chatfield. Thanks David yep. Totally agree, Totally agree,

1285
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Speaker 2: maybe we can put together the best eleven another day,

1286
01:05:51,747 --> 01:05:55,827
Speaker 2: just on the seven for thirty three in the Cricket

1287
01:05:55,827 --> 01:05:58,987
Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty fifteen. Janis says Jason. I was

1288
01:05:58,987 --> 01:06:03,267
Speaker 2: at the stadium to see that wonderful performance from Southy

1289
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Speaker 2: and Brenda McCallum's batting the same day, and absolutely privilege

1290
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Speaker 2: to watch them both that that is one of the

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Speaker 2: great days of New Zealand cricket. England. I think they

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Speaker 2: might have did they win the toss and decide to bat.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember that. Anyway, they batted first all out

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty three England in the thirty fourth

1295
01:06:28,387 --> 01:06:33,387
Speaker 2: over Tim Southy nine overs seven for thirty three. Incredible

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Speaker 2: stuff and then so New Zealand did one hundred and

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01:06:35,907 --> 01:06:38,787
Speaker 2: twenty four to one. And it was one of those

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Speaker 2: when because the England innings was over so quickly, they

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Speaker 2: hadn't had the I was going to say the lunch break,

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01:06:45,787 --> 01:06:47,267
Speaker 2: but it was actually the dinner break because it was

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01:06:47,267 --> 01:06:49,667
Speaker 2: a day night match, so England were all out in

1302
01:06:49,707 --> 01:06:52,707
Speaker 2: the thirty fourth over, so they didn't have the dinner break.

1303
01:06:52,787 --> 01:06:54,547
Speaker 2: They instead had just had the ten minute break, and

1304
01:06:54,587 --> 01:06:57,667
Speaker 2: then New Zealand came out to bat and Brendan McCullum

1305
01:06:57,747 --> 01:07:04,107
Speaker 2: went absolutely mad. Seventy seven off twenty five balls, eight

1306
01:07:04,147 --> 01:07:09,467
Speaker 2: fours and seven six's. Was apt absolutely smashing it. And

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01:07:10,027 --> 01:07:12,987
Speaker 2: I remember this so vividly. They got to within about

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01:07:13,027 --> 01:07:16,547
Speaker 2: ten runs of the winning target and they took the

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Speaker 2: dinner break, and I can only assume the reason they

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Speaker 2: did it was because they had thirty thousand people or

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Speaker 2: whatever it was there that day and they had all

1312
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Speaker 2: of this food that they had planned on feeding to

1313
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Speaker 2: those thirty thousand people in the event of a normal

1314
01:07:34,907 --> 01:07:36,867
Speaker 2: game of cricket, and it would have all gone to waste.

1315
01:07:38,307 --> 01:07:42,387
Speaker 2: So they so they took the dinner break, with New

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01:07:42,467 --> 01:07:44,707
Speaker 2: Zealand on about one hundred and ten for two or

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Speaker 2: something like that, and here we go one hundred and

1318
01:07:47,827 --> 01:07:50,867
Speaker 2: twelve for one. They were after nine overs when they

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01:07:50,907 --> 01:07:53,187
Speaker 2: took the dinner break, so they were only twelve runs

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01:07:53,187 --> 01:07:56,507
Speaker 2: short of their winning target. But they had to get

1321
01:07:56,507 --> 01:07:58,787
Speaker 2: all that food, you know, I had to get all

1322
01:07:58,827 --> 01:08:01,187
Speaker 2: that food eaten, otherwise it would have all gone to waste.

1323
01:08:01,187 --> 01:08:02,947
Speaker 2: I don't think they even turned the floodlights on that night.

1324
01:08:04,707 --> 01:08:08,467
Speaker 2: Great memories. Janus Neil says, I feel privileged to have

1325
01:08:08,507 --> 01:08:10,667
Speaker 2: been a cricket fan and the tee and tea era

1326
01:08:10,827 --> 01:08:14,587
Speaker 2: Tim and Trent. Obviously they say you shouldn't meet your heroes,

1327
01:08:14,627 --> 01:08:19,947
Speaker 2: but Tim Southy is hands down the nicest professional sportsperson

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Speaker 2: I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Thank you, Neil,

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01:08:23,427 --> 01:08:26,427
Speaker 2: I ready appreciate it. Phil says in your best eleven

1330
01:08:26,467 --> 01:08:30,067
Speaker 2: pinety for straight out pace, Shane Bond has to be there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree. I tend to agree that I

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Speaker 2: need to have Shane Bond in my team. Imagine if

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01:08:34,507 --> 01:08:38,907
Speaker 2: Shane Bond had played more. His career was, as I

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01:08:38,987 --> 01:08:45,067
Speaker 2: said before, just stymied so tragically by injury. Imagine if,

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01:08:45,387 --> 01:08:47,307
Speaker 2: imagine if he'd had the opportunity to play a little

1336
01:08:47,307 --> 01:08:52,227
Speaker 2: bit more than he did. Oh eight hundred and eighty

1337
01:08:52,227 --> 01:08:53,867
Speaker 2: ten eighty nine two nine two got to get across

1338
01:08:53,907 --> 01:08:55,707
Speaker 2: the Tasman at some stage shortly. But if you want

1339
01:08:55,747 --> 01:08:58,547
Speaker 2: to give us your thoughts on Southey, Tim Southeys and

1340
01:08:58,587 --> 01:09:02,547
Speaker 2: his cricket career, be pleased to hear those those thoughts

1341
01:09:02,827 --> 01:09:05,387
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two if you would prefer to send

1342
01:09:05,387 --> 01:09:08,347
Speaker 2: them through via text message, just updating you on some

1343
01:09:08,387 --> 01:09:11,787
Speaker 2: live sport while we've got the opportunity. Speaking of cricket,

1344
01:09:11,787 --> 01:09:14,987
Speaker 2: there are three domestic cricket matches going on at the moment.

1345
01:09:15,627 --> 01:09:17,947
Speaker 2: These are Halle Burton Johnston Shield matches.

1346
01:09:17,987 --> 01:09:18,427
Speaker 7: This is the.

1347
01:09:18,347 --> 01:09:23,827
Speaker 2: Women's domestic comp Mount Wallganui Northern Districts batting first against

1348
01:09:23,867 --> 01:09:26,347
Speaker 2: Auckland two hundred and twenty six for nine and the

1349
01:09:26,387 --> 01:09:30,227
Speaker 2: forty sixth over of fifty the Otago Sparks and Canterbury Magicians.

1350
01:09:30,227 --> 01:09:33,027
Speaker 2: It's raining unfortunately in along the order, but Otago through

1351
01:09:33,067 --> 01:09:35,147
Speaker 2: to one eighteen for one and the twenty eighth over

1352
01:09:35,387 --> 01:09:37,867
Speaker 2: when rain stopped play and a delayed start at the

1353
01:09:37,867 --> 01:09:41,187
Speaker 2: Basin Reserve where it's the Central Hines up against the

1354
01:09:41,227 --> 01:09:44,387
Speaker 2: Wellington Blaze. The Hines won the toss and went and

1355
01:09:44,467 --> 01:09:48,067
Speaker 2: decided to have a bat and they're fifty one for five.

1356
01:09:48,707 --> 01:09:50,467
Speaker 2: So that hasn't exactly turned out the way that they

1357
01:09:50,467 --> 01:09:53,707
Speaker 2: would have hoped. So the Central Hines fifty one for

1358
01:09:53,787 --> 01:09:57,707
Speaker 2: five batting first against the Wellington Blaze. Jess Kerr, fresh

1359
01:09:57,747 --> 01:10:00,347
Speaker 2: back from being part of the New Zealand squad that

1360
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Speaker 2: won the T twenty Cricket World Cup, has three for

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Speaker 2: twelve from six three for twelve. Hello Christopher, Hello, Hello,

1362
01:10:14,987 --> 01:10:18,027
Speaker 2: have you got some thoughts. I'm going great, Christopher. Have

1363
01:10:18,107 --> 01:10:19,427
Speaker 2: you got some thoughts on Tom Southey.

1364
01:10:20,987 --> 01:10:25,027
Speaker 22: Yes, I just want to go back to the part

1365
01:10:25,067 --> 01:10:28,787
Speaker 22: where you were talking about how he has managed to

1366
01:10:28,827 --> 01:10:32,107
Speaker 22: go through most of his three without getting injured. And

1367
01:10:32,787 --> 01:10:35,827
Speaker 22: we're on the topic of fast bowlers and a lot

1368
01:10:35,867 --> 01:10:39,507
Speaker 22: of them having their careers cut short. And so now

1369
01:10:39,547 --> 01:10:43,587
Speaker 22: I'm from Australia. I've only just come over and I

1370
01:10:43,627 --> 01:10:47,107
Speaker 22: wanted to talk about Paddy Cummens because he debut in

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Speaker 22: South Africa. I'm not sure if everyone remembers back in

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01:10:49,747 --> 01:10:53,627
Speaker 22: twenty eleven, but he debuted in South Africa and I

1373
01:10:53,667 --> 01:10:57,027
Speaker 22: think he took like seven for forty or something. And

1374
01:10:57,987 --> 01:11:01,027
Speaker 22: after that though, he only played I think about five

1375
01:11:01,107 --> 01:11:03,667
Speaker 22: Tests in seven years because he kept on getting stressed

1376
01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:04,707
Speaker 22: facts in his back.

1377
01:11:06,867 --> 01:11:09,587
Speaker 2: But he's still gone on. Hasn't he to be well

1378
01:11:09,627 --> 01:11:12,267
Speaker 2: to be one of your greats? How many Test wickets

1379
01:11:12,267 --> 01:11:15,147
Speaker 2: would would Pat comments have? He must have sort of

1380
01:11:15,307 --> 01:11:18,227
Speaker 2: over two hundred and fifty Test wickets.

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01:11:18,547 --> 01:11:21,547
Speaker 22: Yeah, last I heard, I think he's played about seventy

1382
01:11:21,587 --> 01:11:25,187
Speaker 22: one Tests and he's got somewhere around two hundred and

1383
01:11:25,227 --> 01:11:28,947
Speaker 22: eighty Test wickets and I think somewhere in the Ballpark

1384
01:11:29,027 --> 01:11:33,507
Speaker 22: around fifty two and works in each of those formats.

1385
01:11:33,507 --> 01:11:38,587
Speaker 22: So yeah, he's he's done a really good job, and yeah,

1386
01:11:38,587 --> 01:11:42,307
Speaker 22: I just want to find him savely great careers. I

1387
01:11:42,387 --> 01:11:46,107
Speaker 22: heard the steps he's not mentioning, and yeah, sounds like

1388
01:11:46,187 --> 01:11:50,107
Speaker 22: he's definitely one of New Zealand's greats.

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Speaker 2: What brings you over to New zeal And? Christopher? Are

1390
01:11:52,307 --> 01:11:54,587
Speaker 2: you here on holiday or are you Are you here permanently?

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01:11:56,107 --> 01:11:58,907
Speaker 22: Here permanently because we have a lot of families here

1392
01:11:59,147 --> 01:12:02,667
Speaker 22: so in Wellington region, like around Putty Rule and all that,

1393
01:12:03,507 --> 01:12:06,827
Speaker 22: So yeah, we just have helped from Putty Rul around

1394
01:12:07,107 --> 01:12:08,307
Speaker 22: Carpardy Coast area.

1395
01:12:09,187 --> 01:12:11,507
Speaker 2: Excellent, y'are sorr right about pat Comins. I've just looked

1396
01:12:11,507 --> 01:12:13,107
Speaker 2: it up here while you've been chatting to me. Yeah,

1397
01:12:13,107 --> 01:12:16,547
Speaker 2: he played the Test in twenty eleven against South Africa

1398
01:12:16,547 --> 01:12:18,147
Speaker 2: and Joe Berg and then you're right didn't play for

1399
01:12:18,187 --> 01:12:21,987
Speaker 2: another six years and that was all through injuries, stress fractures,

1400
01:12:21,987 --> 01:12:22,587
Speaker 2: things like that.

1401
01:12:23,947 --> 01:12:26,667
Speaker 22: Yeah, it was quite chat I mean to be honest.

1402
01:12:26,667 --> 01:12:29,867
Speaker 22: When I was listening to a story too. Yeah, what

1403
01:12:29,987 --> 01:12:32,667
Speaker 22: a great player he would have been throughout that time

1404
01:12:32,827 --> 01:12:33,947
Speaker 22: after his great start.

1405
01:12:35,107 --> 01:12:38,067
Speaker 2: Indeed, Christopher great to Chetty you please go back any time.

1406
01:12:39,467 --> 01:12:40,507
Speaker 22: Thank you a good day.

1407
01:12:40,947 --> 01:12:44,547
Speaker 2: You have a good day too. Twenty to two. Speaking

1408
01:12:44,587 --> 01:12:47,627
Speaker 2: of Australia, we'll get there shortly. Adam Peacock, our regular

1409
01:12:47,667 --> 01:12:49,627
Speaker 2: Australian correspondent with us right after this.

1410
01:12:51,027 --> 01:12:54,427
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields call, oh eight

1411
01:12:54,547 --> 01:12:57,507
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason.

1412
01:12:57,267 --> 01:12:58,307
Speaker 9: Fine and GJ.

1413
01:12:58,467 --> 01:13:01,227
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes, New Zealand's first trusted home builder.

1414
01:13:01,387 --> 01:13:02,027
Speaker 23: News talks to.

1415
01:13:02,107 --> 01:13:06,187
Speaker 2: Baby sixteen away from two around this time every Saturday afternoon,

1416
01:13:06,427 --> 01:13:09,507
Speaker 2: the pleasure of the company of Australian correspondent Adam pa Kark,

1417
01:13:09,587 --> 01:13:11,507
Speaker 2: who joins us now. And I want to talk some

1418
01:13:11,587 --> 01:13:14,587
Speaker 2: cricket and some football, but can we start with rugby?

1419
01:13:14,947 --> 01:13:20,107
Speaker 2: The wallaby speeding England in dramatic fashion last weekend at Twickenham.

1420
01:13:20,107 --> 01:13:21,467
Speaker 2: Did anybody see this coming?

1421
01:13:22,347 --> 01:13:22,747
Speaker 6: First time?

1422
01:13:22,747 --> 01:13:24,627
Speaker 14: I reckon, I spoke to you Piney, and I'm happy

1423
01:13:24,627 --> 01:13:25,867
Speaker 14: to start with boking.

1424
01:13:28,627 --> 01:13:29,427
Speaker 6: Not no.

1425
01:13:30,187 --> 01:13:33,227
Speaker 14: To be brutally honest, it was a very pleasant surprise

1426
01:13:33,307 --> 01:13:36,067
Speaker 14: when we awoke last weekend to that result and the

1427
01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:38,707
Speaker 14: manner of it as well, in that it was so

1428
01:13:38,867 --> 01:13:43,307
Speaker 14: dramatic as the death there. But yeah, talking to someone

1429
01:13:43,347 --> 01:13:46,867
Speaker 14: from Rugby Australia who I know quite well, who has

1430
01:13:46,947 --> 01:13:50,387
Speaker 14: just joined an organization the last six months. He said

1431
01:13:50,427 --> 01:13:54,267
Speaker 14: that earlier last week. Everyone's just kind of got a

1432
01:13:54,307 --> 01:13:56,867
Speaker 14: pep in their step again. But I can there's a

1433
01:13:56,867 --> 01:13:58,987
Speaker 14: bit of doomsday out the place over the last couple

1434
01:13:59,027 --> 01:14:01,107
Speaker 14: of years, which is fair enough. There's been huge tur

1435
01:14:01,147 --> 01:14:04,627
Speaker 14: more in the joint. But he been you to the joint.

1436
01:14:04,627 --> 01:14:06,147
Speaker 14: It's just really happy to the people who have been

1437
01:14:06,147 --> 01:14:08,067
Speaker 14: there for a while and have moved through some pretty

1438
01:14:08,107 --> 01:14:12,667
Speaker 14: dark days to have something like that. And yeah, no

1439
01:14:12,747 --> 01:14:15,347
Speaker 14: predictions about what's going to go on this weekend, but

1440
01:14:15,387 --> 01:14:19,507
Speaker 14: it's it's certainly given people a bit of hope about

1441
01:14:19,507 --> 01:14:23,027
Speaker 14: the next two years, which is massive because there's a

1442
01:14:23,067 --> 01:14:24,987
Speaker 14: few big things on the horizon with the Lions tour

1443
01:14:25,067 --> 01:14:26,107
Speaker 14: and then it worke up down.

1444
01:14:25,987 --> 01:14:26,667
Speaker 24: The track as well.

1445
01:14:26,827 --> 01:14:32,027
Speaker 2: Indeed, see Joseph Sui. He played really well against England,

1446
01:14:32,067 --> 01:14:34,027
Speaker 2: but down to the beach for this one against Whales.

1447
01:14:34,347 --> 01:14:37,307
Speaker 2: What's been the initial assessment of his switched across from

1448
01:14:37,347 --> 01:14:40,427
Speaker 2: rugby league to rugby, Yeah, class.

1449
01:14:39,987 --> 01:14:41,547
Speaker 14: Yeah, you could. You could see it with some of

1450
01:14:41,587 --> 01:14:46,827
Speaker 14: those silky touches in the midfield, and you know he's

1451
01:14:46,867 --> 01:14:50,507
Speaker 14: a great addition, and he kind of justified Joe Schmid

1452
01:14:50,787 --> 01:14:54,547
Speaker 14: what seems on face Valio a massive gambled. So he's

1453
01:14:54,587 --> 01:14:56,507
Speaker 14: going to be very good. I think I've probably done

1454
01:14:56,547 --> 01:14:59,707
Speaker 14: the right thing with him, Like it is a hard

1455
01:14:59,907 --> 01:15:02,627
Speaker 14: thing to do back to back, and these tours are

1456
01:15:02,627 --> 01:15:05,107
Speaker 14: not easy, especially because they don't play anything in between

1457
01:15:05,147 --> 01:15:09,107
Speaker 14: and there's there's no real re So, yeah, they mixed

1458
01:15:09,107 --> 01:15:11,347
Speaker 14: it up this weekend, but he's certainly a weapon off

1459
01:15:11,387 --> 01:15:11,747
Speaker 14: the bench.

1460
01:15:12,707 --> 01:15:15,867
Speaker 2: Let's go to football. The Soccer's and World Cup qualifying

1461
01:15:15,867 --> 01:15:19,107
Speaker 2: and nil all draw with Saudi Arabia Thursday night. They

1462
01:15:19,147 --> 01:15:23,227
Speaker 2: play bah Rain Wednesday morning. I've seen some mixed reviews

1463
01:15:23,267 --> 01:15:26,827
Speaker 2: of the nil all draw online, is as usually the case,

1464
01:15:26,827 --> 01:15:27,627
Speaker 2: what did you make of it?

1465
01:15:28,707 --> 01:15:31,387
Speaker 14: Yeah, it could have been better, it could have been worse,

1466
01:15:31,747 --> 01:15:35,107
Speaker 14: So I'm not going to back the crap out of

1467
01:15:35,147 --> 01:15:36,987
Speaker 14: the result, but I'm not going to sing its praises

1468
01:15:37,667 --> 01:15:41,547
Speaker 14: or the performance. It wasn't fluid, it was a bit clunky,

1469
01:15:41,627 --> 01:15:44,627
Speaker 14: but it's where we are and an opposition with a

1470
01:15:44,627 --> 01:15:47,627
Speaker 14: new coach, so there was a noted down there about

1471
01:15:47,627 --> 01:15:52,747
Speaker 14: how they'll play. But yeah, it's with results that have

1472
01:15:52,747 --> 01:15:55,187
Speaker 14: gone our way in Destiny's still very much in our

1473
01:15:55,227 --> 01:15:57,747
Speaker 14: own hands. Now we go to bah Rain and hopefully

1474
01:15:57,747 --> 01:16:01,627
Speaker 14: they take this as a huge a huge game. Obviously

1475
01:16:01,707 --> 01:16:03,987
Speaker 14: won't have the stature of it was really good TV

1476
01:16:04,107 --> 01:16:07,307
Speaker 14: ratings actually the soprs helen I over here, but this

1477
01:16:07,427 --> 01:16:09,227
Speaker 14: one's going to be played at probably about four o'clock

1478
01:16:09,267 --> 01:16:10,747
Speaker 14: in the morning, so there's not going to be that

1479
01:16:10,867 --> 01:16:14,747
Speaker 14: huge nature about it. But it's in a way probably

1480
01:16:14,747 --> 01:16:18,147
Speaker 14: a bigger game against Bahrain because they git us over here.

1481
01:16:18,267 --> 01:16:20,187
Speaker 14: There was a few antics that were going on with

1482
01:16:20,387 --> 01:16:23,307
Speaker 14: diving and time wasting and carrying on like that, all

1483
01:16:24,587 --> 01:16:27,627
Speaker 14: suffered a fatality every time they got found. So yeah,

1484
01:16:27,627 --> 01:16:29,307
Speaker 14: there's a bit of that about it, and hopefully they

1485
01:16:29,347 --> 01:16:32,267
Speaker 14: take that with the eyes to a bit of vengeance

1486
01:16:32,307 --> 01:16:35,307
Speaker 14: against Bahrain and get the three points and definitely put

1487
01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:38,427
Speaker 14: us on course to qualify automatically to the World Cup.

1488
01:16:38,587 --> 01:16:42,387
Speaker 2: So what's the situation. There's different stages of Asian World

1489
01:16:42,427 --> 01:16:47,667
Speaker 2: Cup qualifying, isn't there. So for example, Australia beat bah Rain,

1490
01:16:47,827 --> 01:16:50,467
Speaker 2: that would put them in the box seat for automatic qualification.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so we need to finish top two. Japan off

1492
01:16:55,627 --> 01:16:57,987
Speaker 14: and running. They're gone. They're at the top and they

1493
01:16:58,067 --> 01:17:00,667
Speaker 14: look like they're going to easily automatically qualify it. So

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01:17:01,147 --> 01:17:03,267
Speaker 14: we're on six points at the moment. I dare say

1495
01:17:03,307 --> 01:17:09,107
Speaker 14: we need thirteen to fourteen points to automatically in this

1496
01:17:09,107 --> 01:17:11,667
Speaker 14: group of six. If it doesn't go away third and fourth,

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Speaker 14: then go into another stage of qualifying because Asia now

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01:17:15,427 --> 01:17:17,947
Speaker 14: has eight and a half spots, not just the four

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01:17:17,987 --> 01:17:21,267
Speaker 14: and a half which we've previously had, so there's a

1500
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Speaker 14: few more layers to it. Look out players who would

1501
01:17:23,547 --> 01:17:25,667
Speaker 14: love because a lot of them in Europe, like your

1502
01:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,987
Speaker 14: guys as well. It's hard to then to trouble with

1503
01:17:27,987 --> 01:17:29,787
Speaker 14: the outside of the well go back to Europe performing

1504
01:17:29,827 --> 01:17:32,867
Speaker 14: the best of their club. It's better for everyone if

1505
01:17:32,867 --> 01:17:35,587
Speaker 14: we qualify automatically because it means there's less games that

1506
01:17:35,627 --> 01:17:37,747
Speaker 14: they have to come back for, you know what I mean.

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01:17:37,867 --> 01:17:41,987
Speaker 14: So yeah, it's crucial. So probably two wins in a

1508
01:17:42,067 --> 01:17:46,067
Speaker 14: draw gets us through, but it won't be easy, all right.

1509
01:17:46,107 --> 01:17:49,907
Speaker 2: We'll keep eyes on that and back on Australian soil

1510
01:17:49,987 --> 01:17:54,347
Speaker 2: are hugely anticipated five Test series against the Indian cricket

1511
01:17:54,347 --> 01:17:57,387
Speaker 2: team starting in Perth in test matches and Adelaide that's

1512
01:17:57,427 --> 01:18:00,507
Speaker 2: a day nighter Brisbane, the boxing day Test in Melbourne

1513
01:18:00,587 --> 01:18:04,187
Speaker 2: and then in Sydney, Man, what a lineup Australia against India.

1514
01:18:04,227 --> 01:18:06,267
Speaker 2: How much anticipation around ahead of this?

1515
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's huge, and thanks for softening up the Indians

1516
01:18:10,907 --> 01:18:16,667
Speaker 14: for us finding. But I'm serious, they're They're not coming

1517
01:18:16,707 --> 01:18:20,467
Speaker 14: here feeling great about themselves. There's a lot of questions

1518
01:18:20,947 --> 01:18:22,987
Speaker 14: about the Indian brigand team. Now they've got a lot

1519
01:18:22,987 --> 01:18:27,587
Speaker 14: of experience about them, but do they have the ability

1520
01:18:27,667 --> 01:18:31,467
Speaker 14: to tie it back all together again on totally different

1521
01:18:31,547 --> 01:18:34,027
Speaker 14: texts obviously, like Errat Coley's got to make gives a

1522
01:18:34,027 --> 01:18:36,507
Speaker 14: record area out which is over fifty, So I dare

1523
01:18:36,547 --> 01:18:38,787
Speaker 14: say we see a different verat Coley. But what about

1524
01:18:38,787 --> 01:18:41,107
Speaker 14: those around him, like joy Swell, the very talent and

1525
01:18:41,187 --> 01:18:45,307
Speaker 14: opener never had to face bowling on these pittures before

1526
01:18:45,867 --> 01:18:47,907
Speaker 14: like this, like we know he's good, is he good

1527
01:18:47,987 --> 01:18:50,547
Speaker 14: enough to handle this? Rowan Sharma is going to miss

1528
01:18:50,547 --> 01:18:52,387
Speaker 14: the first one of the first two, if not both

1529
01:18:52,427 --> 01:18:56,707
Speaker 14: at first and second test with the family a family situation.

1530
01:18:56,867 --> 01:19:00,467
Speaker 14: So yeah, they're kind of under the microscope a bit,

1531
01:19:00,547 --> 01:19:02,547
Speaker 14: but they're good enough to come out of it. Our

1532
01:19:02,627 --> 01:19:05,107
Speaker 14: team conversity is all about who's going to open. They've

1533
01:19:05,187 --> 01:19:07,627
Speaker 14: chosen this Nathan MX's leaning out of South Australia and

1534
01:19:07,667 --> 01:19:11,027
Speaker 14: at all left field selection if you looked at it

1535
01:19:11,107 --> 01:19:13,707
Speaker 14: from six months ago. But yeah, we're pretty settle, our

1536
01:19:13,747 --> 01:19:16,307
Speaker 14: bowling units pretty settle. So if everyone gets through unscale

1537
01:19:16,347 --> 01:19:18,907
Speaker 14: the series, it's going to be a fantastic series that

1538
01:19:18,947 --> 01:19:20,147
Speaker 14: I think Australia has the edge.

1539
01:19:20,467 --> 01:19:22,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll certainly be keeping eyes on it over here.

1540
01:19:22,627 --> 01:19:25,147
Speaker 2: Lots going on, as I say, both sides of the Tasman.

1541
01:19:25,187 --> 01:19:27,427
Speaker 2: Thanks for keeping us up to date, Adam. We'll do

1542
01:19:27,427 --> 01:19:28,307
Speaker 2: it again next Saturday.

1543
01:19:29,187 --> 01:19:30,547
Speaker 14: Sounds good, Thanks Budy.

1544
01:19:30,267 --> 01:19:33,107
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Adam. Adam Peacock drive safe our Australian

1545
01:19:33,107 --> 01:19:38,107
Speaker 2: correspondent around this time every Saturday afternoon. That Test series

1546
01:19:38,147 --> 01:19:41,907
Speaker 2: Man five Tests Australia India. I think that's I think

1547
01:19:41,907 --> 01:19:44,227
Speaker 2: we can watch that here. Pretty sure we can look

1548
01:19:44,267 --> 01:19:46,987
Speaker 2: forward to doing so a five tiers series when the

1549
01:19:47,027 --> 01:19:49,707
Speaker 2: last time New Zealand out a five tiers series ever?

1550
01:19:51,587 --> 01:19:55,427
Speaker 2: Email here Jason Christopher, How good was that? He's a

1551
01:19:55,427 --> 01:19:58,267
Speaker 2: little cricket Encyclopedia get him back on. He made us

1552
01:19:58,307 --> 01:20:01,667
Speaker 2: all smile, Thanks Steve, Yeah, it's great with me. Mike

1553
01:20:01,747 --> 01:20:04,667
Speaker 2: on TEXS love this little rooster. Christopher Oh, Christopher is

1554
01:20:04,667 --> 01:20:07,267
Speaker 2: going to be a great cricket commentator. Sere Is Lee Pinney.

1555
01:20:07,307 --> 01:20:09,507
Speaker 2: I think that young fellow Christopher has a weekly stint

1556
01:20:09,507 --> 01:20:13,707
Speaker 2: on the ABC Grandstand League show on Saturday afternoons in

1557
01:20:13,747 --> 01:20:17,027
Speaker 2: the NRL SIS and here was certainly an absolute encyclopedia

1558
01:20:17,147 --> 01:20:19,467
Speaker 2: on Pat Cummins. Sounds like the kind of guy is

1559
01:20:19,467 --> 01:20:24,987
Speaker 2: gonna have a long career in broadcasting or something to

1560
01:20:24,987 --> 01:20:27,467
Speaker 2: do with sport. Maybe we need to get Christopher on

1561
01:20:27,507 --> 01:20:30,027
Speaker 2: a regular slot eight and a half to two and

1562
01:20:30,027 --> 01:20:30,787
Speaker 2: new stalkscept me.

1563
01:20:32,867 --> 01:20:35,587
Speaker 1: From the track field and the court on your home

1564
01:20:35,627 --> 01:20:41,827
Speaker 1: of Sport weekends for it with j you.

1565
01:20:40,307 --> 01:20:43,347
Speaker 2: Coming up five to two. Haydn got some thoughts on Tim.

1566
01:20:43,107 --> 01:20:46,627
Speaker 25: Southey, not for sure, mate. You know, I've known the

1567
01:20:46,627 --> 01:20:49,027
Speaker 25: family for quite a long time, and I've worked with

1568
01:20:49,027 --> 01:20:52,107
Speaker 25: his old man a fair bet and through the through

1569
01:20:52,147 --> 01:20:55,307
Speaker 25: the farming industry and the livestock buying and selling industry,

1570
01:20:55,387 --> 01:20:58,907
Speaker 25: and and they're an absolutely wonderful family. It was quite

1571
01:20:58,907 --> 01:21:03,867
Speaker 25: headcase listening to to Gary Stead talking about the the

1572
01:21:04,627 --> 01:21:07,507
Speaker 25: high jinks and everything. Tim was the first fellow to

1573
01:21:07,547 --> 01:21:10,507
Speaker 25: look for because his old man's exactly the same and

1574
01:21:11,187 --> 01:21:15,587
Speaker 25: exactly like that. I love it a real good big

1575
01:21:15,747 --> 01:21:20,347
Speaker 25: and about what would be ten years ago. Now. Tim's

1576
01:21:20,387 --> 01:21:22,467
Speaker 25: dad turned up to a job we were doing and

1577
01:21:23,467 --> 01:21:28,747
Speaker 25: he gave me two Mumbai Indians i PL shoes single.

1578
01:21:28,627 --> 01:21:30,587
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing.

1579
01:21:31,787 --> 01:21:31,947
Speaker 7: They.

1580
01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,307
Speaker 2: I don't know. Every time I've talked to Tim Soudy

1581
01:21:34,427 --> 01:21:36,547
Speaker 2: just seems like a just like a normal Kiwi, just

1582
01:21:36,587 --> 01:21:37,067
Speaker 2: like you and me.

1583
01:21:37,307 --> 01:21:39,387
Speaker 25: Yeah, he's top man.

1584
01:21:40,107 --> 01:21:42,107
Speaker 2: Sounds like his dad is too. Hayden, thanks for calling

1585
01:21:42,147 --> 01:21:45,187
Speaker 2: him mate and in giving us a bit of insight there. Yeah,

1586
01:21:45,187 --> 01:21:47,667
Speaker 2: it often happens, doesn't it. You know, when you when

1587
01:21:47,707 --> 01:21:50,027
Speaker 2: you find a good, solid human being, often you look

1588
01:21:50,027 --> 01:21:52,027
Speaker 2: at their family and you can see exactly the reason

1589
01:21:52,067 --> 01:21:55,707
Speaker 2: why they've turned out the way they have. I'm looking

1590
01:21:55,747 --> 01:21:59,627
Speaker 2: forward to watching Tim Soude bowl and there's a bit

1591
01:21:59,627 --> 01:22:03,107
Speaker 2: of chat about whether he'll play these three Test matches. Look,

1592
01:22:03,227 --> 01:22:05,947
Speaker 2: I think he probably will. I'm almost certain he'll playing

1593
01:22:05,987 --> 01:22:10,627
Speaker 2: christ I'll play four seamers down there, I would imagine,

1594
01:22:11,267 --> 01:22:13,107
Speaker 2: and I think he probably plays in Wellington and Hamilton

1595
01:22:13,147 --> 01:22:15,707
Speaker 2: as well. And I don't think that's just out of sentiment.

1596
01:22:16,107 --> 01:22:19,627
Speaker 2: I think he is one of our best three seam

1597
01:22:19,667 --> 01:22:23,027
Speaker 2: bowlers at the moment available seam bowlers and so I

1598
01:22:23,067 --> 01:22:26,507
Speaker 2: think he probably plays. I think it's Henry O'Rourke Southy

1599
01:22:27,067 --> 01:22:29,027
Speaker 2: in these three sess matches, and I hope he gets

1600
01:22:29,027 --> 01:22:31,667
Speaker 2: a bag full of wickets, gets to four hundred and

1601
01:22:31,747 --> 01:22:36,267
Speaker 2: also hits those four sixers so that he can be

1602
01:22:36,347 --> 01:22:39,947
Speaker 2: the proud owner of one hundred sixers in Test match cricket,

1603
01:22:40,067 --> 01:22:42,947
Speaker 2: New Wild Rugby chair Brett Robinson after two.

1604
01:22:42,947 --> 01:22:47,227
Speaker 1: The only plays for the big names, the big issues,

1605
01:22:47,907 --> 01:22:52,867
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1606
01:22:52,947 --> 01:22:56,707
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1607
01:22:57,187 --> 01:22:58,107
Speaker 1: News Talks at.

1608
01:22:57,987 --> 01:23:03,387
Speaker 2: B two o seven Man. The Afternoon's Flying Tomorrow morning

1609
01:23:03,947 --> 01:23:07,067
Speaker 2: nine o'clock All Blacks France. We've got a commentary here

1610
01:23:07,107 --> 01:23:09,427
Speaker 2: on News Talks head Be featuring our rugby editor and

1611
01:23:09,507 --> 01:23:12,187
Speaker 2: lead commentator Elliot Smith alongside Gregor Paul from the New

1612
01:23:12,267 --> 01:23:16,107
Speaker 2: Zealand Herald. That game kicks off, I'm gonna say around

1613
01:23:16,147 --> 01:23:19,587
Speaker 2: ten past nine. Give will take a few minutes either side,

1614
01:23:19,627 --> 01:23:23,547
Speaker 2: so we'll finish Give. We'll take eleven o'clock or just after,

1615
01:23:23,627 --> 01:23:26,947
Speaker 2: and Weekend Sport will start early tomorrow. We'll wrap the

1616
01:23:26,987 --> 01:23:29,507
Speaker 2: game with Elliott and then open up the lines. Take

1617
01:23:29,587 --> 01:23:33,747
Speaker 2: some calls have some feedback and reaction, So an elongated

1618
01:23:34,507 --> 01:23:37,307
Speaker 2: weekend sports show for you tomorrow from around eleven fifteen

1619
01:23:37,347 --> 01:23:40,427
Speaker 2: here on News Talk SeeDB. We're here today for another

1620
01:23:40,627 --> 01:23:45,267
Speaker 2: hour or so, then the weekend collective takeover. Doctor Brett

1621
01:23:45,627 --> 01:23:49,907
Speaker 2: Robinson is the new Chair of World Rugby. He's an Australian,

1622
01:23:49,987 --> 01:23:53,547
Speaker 2: the first elected chair from the Southern Hemisphere. He's standing

1623
01:23:53,587 --> 01:23:55,947
Speaker 2: by the chat to us. We're going to talk some hockey.

1624
01:23:56,307 --> 01:23:58,867
Speaker 2: There's a brand new hockey league around New Zealand. It's

1625
01:23:58,907 --> 01:24:03,467
Speaker 2: called the Premiere Hockey League, with four privately owned rival

1626
01:24:03,547 --> 01:24:06,667
Speaker 2: franchises playing over six weekends. They've had a coup of

1627
01:24:06,667 --> 01:24:09,507
Speaker 2: games already, there are more today and tomorrow. One of

1628
01:24:09,547 --> 01:24:12,907
Speaker 2: our great hockey players, Peter Muskimmon going to pop on

1629
01:24:12,907 --> 01:24:14,547
Speaker 2: this out and tell us some more about that. And

1630
01:24:14,627 --> 01:24:19,707
Speaker 2: we have an Australian rules football team going to the

1631
01:24:19,707 --> 01:24:25,827
Speaker 2: Pacific Cup. It's on in the week ahead at the

1632
01:24:25,947 --> 01:24:29,747
Speaker 2: Maruchi Door Multi Sports Complex. And Australia Sunshine Coast got

1633
01:24:29,787 --> 01:24:31,667
Speaker 2: a men's team, the Falcons and a women's team the

1634
01:24:31,707 --> 01:24:35,187
Speaker 2: Caho taking part in the Pacific Cup. So we'll find

1635
01:24:35,187 --> 01:24:36,627
Speaker 2: out a bit more about that as well. Keep an

1636
01:24:36,627 --> 01:24:39,547
Speaker 2: eye on Live Sport for you and continue to take

1637
01:24:39,587 --> 01:24:41,587
Speaker 2: your calls and feedback. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1638
01:24:41,667 --> 01:24:44,547
Speaker 2: eighty nine nine two is our text line, but with

1639
01:24:44,627 --> 01:24:48,267
Speaker 2: a time rapidly approaching nine past two, as we always

1640
01:24:48,267 --> 01:24:51,787
Speaker 2: do it about the sign both days on weekend Sport,

1641
01:24:52,267 --> 01:24:54,347
Speaker 2: it's time to catch you up on some of the

1642
01:24:54,387 --> 01:24:57,707
Speaker 2: stuff that you may have missed in case you missed

1643
01:24:57,707 --> 01:25:00,107
Speaker 2: it as the name of the feature and starting today

1644
01:25:01,067 --> 01:25:06,267
Speaker 2: in adela eight a chaotic qualifying day at the Adelaide's Supercars.

1645
01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:08,627
Speaker 26: We've got a huge chastity here for Hill and the

1646
01:25:08,787 --> 01:25:14,107
Speaker 26: sp tool cut has been absolutely total red flag qualifying

1647
01:25:14,187 --> 01:25:17,987
Speaker 26: twenty three and another guard Reynolds is gonna be us

1648
01:25:18,427 --> 01:25:20,747
Speaker 26: and there's Jock on the road and that's another destroyer

1649
01:25:20,747 --> 01:25:23,227
Speaker 26: that was a new car at the Gold Coast. So

1650
01:25:23,467 --> 01:25:26,507
Speaker 26: Hill and Reynolds catastrophe in Adelaide.

1651
01:25:26,387 --> 01:25:30,267
Speaker 2: The session was eventually called off, Will Brown claiming pole

1652
01:25:30,787 --> 01:25:34,947
Speaker 2: for today's Top ten shootout. Last night in Hamilton, the

1653
01:25:34,987 --> 01:25:40,427
Speaker 2: All Whites were completely and utterly ruthless against a hopelessly

1654
01:25:40,587 --> 01:25:44,747
Speaker 2: outmatched Vanuatu side in their World Cup qualifier.

1655
01:25:44,267 --> 01:25:48,067
Speaker 7: Bell nice touch from Garbet garb it.

1656
01:25:49,387 --> 01:25:52,347
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good that's.

1657
01:25:52,267 --> 01:25:56,107
Speaker 3: Separate scene he's got on the scorebar.

1658
01:25:57,467 --> 01:26:00,307
Speaker 2: What beautiful lead up work from Matt Garbett. Yeah eight

1659
01:26:00,307 --> 01:26:03,907
Speaker 2: to one the final score in Hamilton last night as

1660
01:26:03,987 --> 01:26:06,907
Speaker 2: New Zealand were far too good for van To A

1661
01:26:06,987 --> 01:26:09,907
Speaker 2: couple of goals for Chris Wood, Matt Garbett, Tyler Binden Eli.

1662
01:26:10,147 --> 01:26:12,867
Speaker 2: Just that goal from Sarth Reach saying Kellu McCowan and

1663
01:26:12,947 --> 01:26:15,867
Speaker 2: an own goal. Your Whites play some more at Mount

1664
01:26:15,907 --> 01:26:20,347
Speaker 2: Smart on Monday night to Rugby this morning in Ireland

1665
01:26:20,427 --> 01:26:23,387
Speaker 2: had to dig deep to avoid two losses in a

1666
01:26:23,507 --> 01:26:27,267
Speaker 2: row to Rugby Championship sides laser up.

1667
01:26:27,547 --> 01:26:31,627
Speaker 27: Ireland just cannot get their hands on it.

1668
01:26:31,547 --> 01:26:39,987
Speaker 28: It's gone forwards your Argentina at n Aviva Stadium collectedly,

1669
01:26:40,787 --> 01:26:41,987
Speaker 28: let's start a sigh.

1670
01:26:41,787 --> 01:26:42,667
Speaker 25: Of relief.

1671
01:26:44,187 --> 01:26:47,747
Speaker 2: There, Ireland avoiding an upset against Argentina. Would have there

1672
01:26:47,787 --> 01:26:50,067
Speaker 2: been an upset, I don't know. A twenty two to

1673
01:26:50,387 --> 01:26:54,827
Speaker 2: nineteen win for Ireland in Dublin and to Football Scotland

1674
01:26:55,387 --> 01:26:58,947
Speaker 2: a huge upset in the away FA Nations League. A

1675
01:26:58,987 --> 01:27:02,587
Speaker 2: late goal giving them a wonder win over Croatia.

1676
01:27:02,267 --> 01:27:03,147
Speaker 17: Gets it across again.

1677
01:27:03,187 --> 01:27:08,427
Speaker 9: The golchy for no Mgennavid John McGan.

1678
01:27:10,027 --> 01:27:17,667
Speaker 28: Monumental moments in the blue of Scotland's had to wait

1679
01:27:17,787 --> 01:27:22,507
Speaker 28: for her and John began left to the starting lineup

1680
01:27:23,147 --> 01:27:24,587
Speaker 28: with the point to crew.

1681
01:27:25,507 --> 01:27:26,187
Speaker 9: What bias?

1682
01:27:26,227 --> 01:27:29,587
Speaker 1: He just prominent when it's down to the line you

1683
01:27:29,747 --> 01:27:34,627
Speaker 1: made a call. On eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine

1684
01:27:34,787 --> 01:27:35,587
Speaker 1: News Talks MB.

1685
01:27:36,387 --> 01:27:40,227
Speaker 2: Australian doctor Brett Robinson has been elected as the new

1686
01:27:40,387 --> 01:27:43,387
Speaker 2: Chair of World Rugby following two rounds of voting at

1687
01:27:43,467 --> 01:27:47,787
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Interim meeting of Council in Dublin, Ireland.

1688
01:27:48,147 --> 01:27:51,427
Speaker 2: He becomes the first elected chair from the Southern Hemisphere,

1689
01:27:51,547 --> 01:27:56,307
Speaker 2: chosen over fellow candidates Abdul A Latife Benazi from France

1690
01:27:56,347 --> 01:27:59,867
Speaker 2: and Andrea Ronaldo from Italy. The fifty two members of

1691
01:27:59,987 --> 01:28:02,467
Speaker 2: the World Rugby Council were the ones who were doing

1692
01:28:02,507 --> 01:28:07,027
Speaker 2: the voting, and Brett Robinson succeeds Bill Beomont on a

1693
01:28:07,227 --> 01:28:10,147
Speaker 2: four year term. He joins us now, congratulations Bred on

1694
01:28:10,747 --> 01:28:14,667
Speaker 2: being elected World Rugby Chair. What sort of organization, what

1695
01:28:14,827 --> 01:28:18,467
Speaker 2: sort of sport do you inherit as the chair of

1696
01:28:18,547 --> 01:28:19,187
Speaker 2: World Rugby?

1697
01:28:20,027 --> 01:28:23,547
Speaker 23: I look first, I just want to say how incredibly

1698
01:28:23,627 --> 01:28:25,467
Speaker 23: humble I am to be elected to be World Rugby

1699
01:28:25,587 --> 01:28:28,667
Speaker 23: Chair and I also wanted to say thank you to

1700
01:28:29,467 --> 01:28:31,947
Speaker 23: the support of New Zealand, the New Zealand Rugby Union

1701
01:28:33,107 --> 01:28:35,907
Speaker 23: in asking me or pushing me and giving me a

1702
01:28:35,987 --> 01:28:40,907
Speaker 23: nudge to step forward, and then also the support they've

1703
01:28:40,947 --> 01:28:44,507
Speaker 23: given me right through to the final vote yesterday. So

1704
01:28:44,547 --> 01:28:47,347
Speaker 23: I just wanted to say thank you very much. And

1705
01:28:47,427 --> 01:28:50,987
Speaker 23: I guess I also want, you know, to recognize, you know,

1706
01:28:51,627 --> 01:28:54,347
Speaker 23: as you've said, Bill Bowmont is stepping down after eight

1707
01:28:54,467 --> 01:28:59,787
Speaker 23: years in the role and I'm taking on the leadership

1708
01:28:59,827 --> 01:29:03,187
Speaker 23: of effectively what's a new board for the organization. We'll

1709
01:29:03,227 --> 01:29:06,707
Speaker 23: have some new directors coming together and we'll be coming

1710
01:29:06,747 --> 01:29:11,187
Speaker 23: together with a management team in the next month or so,

1711
01:29:11,467 --> 01:29:14,907
Speaker 23: just to really navigate through what the path forward really

1712
01:29:14,947 --> 01:29:18,347
Speaker 23: looks like. I'm sitting down with Allan Gilben on Monday

1713
01:29:18,987 --> 01:29:20,947
Speaker 23: and we're getting to work to plan out the next

1714
01:29:20,947 --> 01:29:24,787
Speaker 23: sort of six months and I guess really to consider

1715
01:29:24,907 --> 01:29:28,547
Speaker 23: that the journey we've been on, but also the journey

1716
01:29:28,627 --> 01:29:32,027
Speaker 23: that we need to continue with or what we need

1717
01:29:32,147 --> 01:29:34,827
Speaker 23: to stop, start or do more of. And I think

1718
01:29:34,867 --> 01:29:38,827
Speaker 23: that's probably to your question about the future of the game.

1719
01:29:38,907 --> 01:29:42,227
Speaker 23: I mean, we have a wonderful sport. I think the

1720
01:29:42,347 --> 01:29:45,707
Speaker 23: product itself is something that we are constantly looking and

1721
01:29:45,787 --> 01:29:49,667
Speaker 23: improving upon. We just had some wonderful trials actually that

1722
01:29:49,867 --> 01:29:53,467
Speaker 23: have been approved to go through into this upcoming autumn

1723
01:29:53,587 --> 01:29:58,587
Speaker 23: series that speed the ball in play and also reduced downtime.

1724
01:29:58,667 --> 01:30:01,787
Speaker 23: So I think there's positive energy about the product at

1725
01:30:01,827 --> 01:30:04,907
Speaker 23: the moment in the game, and I think we need

1726
01:30:04,947 --> 01:30:08,347
Speaker 23: to continue that momentum as we head into next year

1727
01:30:08,427 --> 01:30:11,947
Speaker 23: and particularly a World Cup year for the women in

1728
01:30:12,507 --> 01:30:15,107
Speaker 23: the UK next year. So there's there's plenty ahead of us,

1729
01:30:15,147 --> 01:30:19,227
Speaker 23: and I know the New Zealand national women's team will

1730
01:30:19,267 --> 01:30:20,907
Speaker 23: be looking to try and win another World Cup.

1731
01:30:21,707 --> 01:30:24,467
Speaker 2: So the big challenges facing the game right now, you've

1732
01:30:24,547 --> 01:30:26,787
Speaker 2: you've alluded to a couple of them. What do you

1733
01:30:26,867 --> 01:30:29,867
Speaker 2: see though, as the major challenges facing the game globally

1734
01:30:30,027 --> 01:30:30,347
Speaker 2: right now?

1735
01:30:31,747 --> 01:30:34,987
Speaker 23: Well, there's the biggest challenge I think facing the game,

1736
01:30:35,027 --> 01:30:38,867
Speaker 23: which isn't necessarily an organizational issue for World Rugby. It's

1737
01:30:38,867 --> 01:30:41,307
Speaker 23: an organization, it's an issue for the whole of the game,

1738
01:30:41,907 --> 01:30:47,947
Speaker 23: is I guess challenges of managing revenue and cost space.

1739
01:30:48,987 --> 01:30:55,027
Speaker 23: And I think we've seen over the last sort of

1740
01:30:55,267 --> 01:30:58,867
Speaker 23: four or five years particularly, and that's predominantly driven by

1741
01:30:59,347 --> 01:31:03,307
Speaker 23: wage inflation. Players salary pressures and ability to sustain revenues

1742
01:31:03,347 --> 01:31:06,547
Speaker 23: to support. So we've had the crisis meeting about six

1743
01:31:06,627 --> 01:31:08,587
Speaker 23: or eight weeks ago in Dublin where we bought the

1744
01:31:08,667 --> 01:31:11,547
Speaker 23: top unions together to actually talk about the revenue and

1745
01:31:11,627 --> 01:31:14,587
Speaker 23: cost leaders that we think we can control together. They're

1746
01:31:14,627 --> 01:31:16,667
Speaker 23: not things that World Rugby on its own you can

1747
01:31:17,107 --> 01:31:19,387
Speaker 23: deal with. They're things that are all the major unions

1748
01:31:19,987 --> 01:31:22,387
Speaker 23: are there to deal with. And there was a follow

1749
01:31:22,467 --> 01:31:26,107
Speaker 23: up meeting actually the day before the election where the

1750
01:31:26,227 --> 01:31:29,907
Speaker 23: unions came together degree on action plans and accountability and

1751
01:31:30,587 --> 01:31:32,587
Speaker 23: working groups that actually going away to look at some

1752
01:31:32,667 --> 01:31:35,187
Speaker 23: of those levers. So for me, that's probably one of

1753
01:31:35,227 --> 01:31:38,627
Speaker 23: the biggest issues. The other is obviously this, you know,

1754
01:31:38,827 --> 01:31:42,707
Speaker 23: the ongoing challenges of making sure that mums and dads

1755
01:31:42,747 --> 01:31:45,627
Speaker 23: want their kids to play the game and safely. And

1756
01:31:45,747 --> 01:31:48,747
Speaker 23: so I'm as a clinician, I'm very passionate about the

1757
01:31:48,867 --> 01:31:51,347
Speaker 23: player welfare initiatives that the game is undertaken and the

1758
01:31:51,427 --> 01:31:53,587
Speaker 23: need for the game to be safe and healthy. And

1759
01:31:53,627 --> 01:31:55,467
Speaker 23: I think that's the other significant issue we've got to

1760
01:31:55,507 --> 01:31:56,507
Speaker 23: continue to stare into.

1761
01:31:57,227 --> 01:32:01,827
Speaker 2: You talked about costs and revenue there as our player

1762
01:32:01,907 --> 01:32:04,307
Speaker 2: salary is too high is that the long and the

1763
01:32:04,347 --> 01:32:04,787
Speaker 2: short of it.

1764
01:32:06,347 --> 01:32:08,787
Speaker 23: I think there's clearly some top you know, there's some

1765
01:32:08,987 --> 01:32:12,107
Speaker 23: top end pressure that's blown up a few clubs here

1766
01:32:12,147 --> 01:32:15,947
Speaker 23: in the Northern Hemisphere. You know that the Premiership here

1767
01:32:16,027 --> 01:32:18,707
Speaker 23: actually have introduced salary cap to try and manage and

1768
01:32:18,827 --> 01:32:23,187
Speaker 23: control that. We have other markets in Europe and in

1769
01:32:23,307 --> 01:32:27,787
Speaker 23: Asia that clearly are pushing salaries higher and higher, and

1770
01:32:27,907 --> 01:32:29,867
Speaker 23: I think if we don't look at some way of

1771
01:32:29,987 --> 01:32:33,707
Speaker 23: managing it, ultimately, I'm a player and was a player,

1772
01:32:34,467 --> 01:32:36,707
Speaker 23: I understand you know that we want to make sure

1773
01:32:36,747 --> 01:32:39,227
Speaker 23: it's a competitive market and players are well rewarded. But

1774
01:32:39,347 --> 01:32:43,227
Speaker 23: ultimately if the system falls over, then you know we

1775
01:32:43,307 --> 01:32:45,987
Speaker 23: haven't got a sustainable opportunity for players to play. So

1776
01:32:46,107 --> 01:32:46,827
Speaker 23: it's a balance.

1777
01:32:48,387 --> 01:32:52,507
Speaker 2: You mentioned revenue as well. How important is it for

1778
01:32:52,667 --> 01:32:55,267
Speaker 2: rugby to expand into new markets?

1779
01:32:55,787 --> 01:32:59,547
Speaker 23: The Nation's Championship? For me, when we announced the World

1780
01:32:59,627 --> 01:33:03,187
Speaker 23: Cup last year that we were expanding Rugby World Cup

1781
01:33:03,267 --> 01:33:07,587
Speaker 23: in Australia to twenty four teams, so another four teams,

1782
01:33:08,227 --> 01:33:10,707
Speaker 23: and that we also were kicking off in twenty twenty

1783
01:33:10,827 --> 01:33:14,507
Speaker 23: six two times in every cycle at twenty four team

1784
01:33:14,627 --> 01:33:18,547
Speaker 23: competition with two tiers. That ultimately have promotion relegation where

1785
01:33:18,587 --> 01:33:21,547
Speaker 23: these matches that we're playing now and these windows actually

1786
01:33:21,667 --> 01:33:24,707
Speaker 23: have meaning and they end up delivering an outcome through

1787
01:33:24,787 --> 01:33:30,627
Speaker 23: a final. I think that is going to really create jeopardy, energy, positivity,

1788
01:33:30,707 --> 01:33:33,947
Speaker 23: and more revenue for the markets that we play those

1789
01:33:34,027 --> 01:33:36,547
Speaker 23: games in. And equally is it's important it will provide

1790
01:33:36,627 --> 01:33:40,707
Speaker 23: competition for those other unions that haven't got certain year

1791
01:33:40,707 --> 01:33:44,547
Speaker 23: of competition right now, particularly the emerging nations. So I

1792
01:33:44,587 --> 01:33:47,907
Speaker 23: think that's a really exciting initiative. We obviously need a

1793
01:33:48,027 --> 01:33:51,307
Speaker 23: deal to be done between SANSOAR and six Nations and

1794
01:33:51,427 --> 01:33:54,627
Speaker 23: then that'll enable us we'll me to finalize what we're

1795
01:33:54,667 --> 01:33:56,347
Speaker 23: doing with the remaining twelve teams.

1796
01:33:57,427 --> 01:34:00,107
Speaker 2: Do you believe or perceive there to be a North

1797
01:34:00,267 --> 01:34:04,587
Speaker 2: South divide when we talk about rugby's traditional nations. Do

1798
01:34:04,627 --> 01:34:06,987
Speaker 2: you think there's a north south divide on some of

1799
01:34:06,987 --> 01:34:08,307
Speaker 2: the key issues facing the game.

1800
01:34:08,787 --> 01:34:14,187
Speaker 23: I think the election kicks that into touch. You know,

1801
01:34:14,667 --> 01:34:19,787
Speaker 23: this was an election based on philosophy, a collection of

1802
01:34:19,947 --> 01:34:22,027
Speaker 23: unions from the north and the south for helping and

1803
01:34:22,227 --> 01:34:25,507
Speaker 23: enabling to deal with these issues that we're discussing, because

1804
01:34:25,507 --> 01:34:28,747
Speaker 23: they're not just northern, they're not Southern Hemisphere issues or

1805
01:34:28,787 --> 01:34:32,467
Speaker 23: Northern Hemisphere issues, their game related issues. So I think

1806
01:34:32,507 --> 01:34:35,267
Speaker 23: that's what I'm quite optimistic about is the fact that

1807
01:34:36,347 --> 01:34:39,307
Speaker 23: you know, Jonathan Webb is now my deputy chair. You know,

1808
01:34:40,587 --> 01:34:45,307
Speaker 23: I've got strong support from Northern Hemisphere countries and they

1809
01:34:45,387 --> 01:34:46,987
Speaker 23: all agree we need to get on and deal with

1810
01:34:47,067 --> 01:34:47,827
Speaker 23: some of these issues.

1811
01:34:48,467 --> 01:34:50,827
Speaker 2: What is New Zealand's role to play in the game

1812
01:34:50,907 --> 01:34:51,827
Speaker 2: globally right now?

1813
01:34:52,307 --> 01:34:56,347
Speaker 23: Well, New Zealand Rugby have and will continue to be

1814
01:34:57,227 --> 01:35:00,187
Speaker 23: the gold standard of a high performance union. You know,

1815
01:35:01,267 --> 01:35:05,987
Speaker 23: there's a reason why Australian rugby has benefited from a

1816
01:35:06,027 --> 01:35:08,787
Speaker 23: two hour our flight across the Tasman. It's because we've

1817
01:35:08,867 --> 01:35:11,707
Speaker 23: got to play since I was a young boy, and

1818
01:35:11,907 --> 01:35:14,467
Speaker 23: my young kid and my young boy himself who played

1819
01:35:14,467 --> 01:35:17,067
Speaker 23: against New Zealand schools a few weeks ago in Hamilton.

1820
01:35:17,587 --> 01:35:19,667
Speaker 23: We get to play against year guys all the time

1821
01:35:19,827 --> 01:35:22,707
Speaker 23: and for ound women's and men, that enables and it

1822
01:35:22,787 --> 01:35:28,427
Speaker 23: elevates performance. And I think that, you know, the influence

1823
01:35:28,507 --> 01:35:31,427
Speaker 23: that New Zealand plays on the field is significant, but

1824
01:35:31,587 --> 01:35:33,907
Speaker 23: equally off the field, you know, I have to say,

1825
01:35:34,827 --> 01:35:40,547
Speaker 23: you know the leadership of Mark Robinson, the strategic opportunities

1826
01:35:40,627 --> 01:35:43,667
Speaker 23: he can see for the game globally, I think you've

1827
01:35:43,747 --> 01:35:47,987
Speaker 23: got some really capable leadership at the top of your

1828
01:35:48,107 --> 01:35:52,507
Speaker 23: game that also is really having an influence around where

1829
01:35:52,587 --> 01:35:53,907
Speaker 23: the game is going globally.

1830
01:35:54,547 --> 01:35:56,827
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you Brett for joining us across New Zealand

1831
01:35:56,867 --> 01:36:00,267
Speaker 2: and congratulations again on your on your election as the

1832
01:36:00,347 --> 01:36:03,907
Speaker 2: new Chair of World Rugby. That is doctor Brett Robinson,

1833
01:36:04,307 --> 01:36:06,307
Speaker 2: who on a four year term, is now the new

1834
01:36:06,467 --> 01:36:11,627
Speaker 2: chair of the Game of Rugby's governing body. Further to

1835
01:36:11,707 --> 01:36:16,027
Speaker 2: that election, New Zealand Rugby's influence also bolstered the election

1836
01:36:16,147 --> 01:36:20,227
Speaker 2: of Bart Campbell and Melody Robinson to the World Rugby

1837
01:36:20,347 --> 01:36:26,387
Speaker 2: Executive Board. Bart Campbell is a Southern Hemisphere representative and

1838
01:36:26,867 --> 01:36:31,227
Speaker 2: Melody Robinson are players representative. Bart Campbell and South African

1839
01:36:31,307 --> 01:36:35,587
Speaker 2: Rugby President Mark Alexander were elected. The others in the

1840
01:36:35,667 --> 01:36:39,467
Speaker 2: running were former Wallaby John Eels and Argentina's gasp Show

1841
01:36:39,987 --> 01:36:43,747
Speaker 2: Melody Robinson, nominated alongside Islands Rob Carney by the International

1842
01:36:43,827 --> 01:36:49,107
Speaker 2: Rugby Players Association. So Bart Campbell and Melody Robinson congratulations

1843
01:36:49,227 --> 01:36:52,387
Speaker 2: to those two Keywis for their election to the World

1844
01:36:52,467 --> 01:36:57,667
Speaker 2: Rugby Executive Board. Just on two twenty one, Just while

1845
01:36:57,707 --> 01:36:59,867
Speaker 2: we're on the subject of rugby, Patrick twey pilot to

1846
01:36:59,987 --> 01:37:02,947
Speaker 2: will play his fiftieth Test match for the All Blacks

1847
01:37:02,947 --> 01:37:05,107
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning. That is, of course, if he comes off

1848
01:37:05,147 --> 01:37:07,987
Speaker 2: the bench, which you'd have to think he will in

1849
01:37:08,147 --> 01:37:11,627
Speaker 2: the in the Test match against France, bringing up fifty

1850
01:37:11,667 --> 01:37:14,067
Speaker 2: Test matches. Patrick to we Pulot to Elliott Smith's Our

1851
01:37:14,107 --> 01:37:16,987
Speaker 2: Man on Too, our rugby editor, lead commentator. He spoke

1852
01:37:17,027 --> 01:37:18,747
Speaker 2: to Patrick tow we Piloto on the last day or

1853
01:37:18,787 --> 01:37:19,867
Speaker 2: so about this milestone.

1854
01:37:20,107 --> 01:37:22,987
Speaker 3: Patrick, do we pilot to fiftieth Test and coming this

1855
01:37:23,107 --> 01:37:25,587
Speaker 3: week in congratulations? How does that milestone feel?

1856
01:37:27,867 --> 01:37:28,187
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1857
01:37:28,267 --> 01:37:32,507
Speaker 29: It's probably just for me. It's another Gamely doesn't feel

1858
01:37:33,227 --> 01:37:37,307
Speaker 29: like it's a big milestone bout saying that to bring

1859
01:37:37,347 --> 01:37:42,547
Speaker 29: out fifty is pretty I'm pretty spoked with considering how

1860
01:37:42,587 --> 01:37:45,907
Speaker 29: many injuries I've had and then the caliber of other

1861
01:37:45,987 --> 01:37:48,827
Speaker 29: locks have been here before me and the Black jersey.

1862
01:37:48,947 --> 01:37:52,947
Speaker 29: So yeah, pretty happy with fifty, but looking forward to

1863
01:37:53,387 --> 01:37:55,587
Speaker 29: the tough for a French team. First, does it feel

1864
01:37:55,667 --> 01:37:56,827
Speaker 29: like a long time coming?

1865
01:37:56,867 --> 01:37:58,507
Speaker 3: You've had, as you say, a lot of injuries that

1866
01:37:58,627 --> 01:38:01,107
Speaker 3: have been been behind perhaps white lock and retaliate does

1867
01:38:01,147 --> 01:38:02,987
Speaker 3: it feel like it's been a long time coming to

1868
01:38:03,227 --> 01:38:03,907
Speaker 3: crack the fifty.

1869
01:38:04,427 --> 01:38:07,147
Speaker 29: Yeah, it's probably a look at other guys, all the

1870
01:38:07,187 --> 01:38:10,147
Speaker 29: young guys, really, guys like Rigs are probably nice about

1871
01:38:10,267 --> 01:38:13,227
Speaker 29: dye tests, and not only him but his other guys

1872
01:38:13,267 --> 01:38:17,827
Speaker 29: here as well. He started after me. So yeah, it

1873
01:38:17,907 --> 01:38:20,507
Speaker 29: does feel like a long time coming. But to get

1874
01:38:20,507 --> 01:38:22,667
Speaker 29: fifty in the black jersey is pretty pretty special.

1875
01:38:23,227 --> 01:38:27,387
Speaker 3: Just yeah, this team, you've come in and playing a

1876
01:38:27,427 --> 01:38:30,307
Speaker 3: bench roll at the moment. What's the impact that you're

1877
01:38:30,307 --> 01:38:33,227
Speaker 3: trying to add from that that bench roll? I suppose

1878
01:38:33,227 --> 01:38:36,027
Speaker 3: that that's it's just impact. Really trying to be physical

1879
01:38:36,067 --> 01:38:38,947
Speaker 3: when I come on. It's not a new role.

1880
01:38:39,147 --> 01:38:41,867
Speaker 29: I think when I first started with the ABS, the

1881
01:38:41,987 --> 01:38:45,827
Speaker 29: bench is going pretty good then, so yeah, trying to

1882
01:38:46,027 --> 01:38:52,147
Speaker 29: I suppose solidify what the starters do and have for

1883
01:38:52,267 --> 01:38:53,787
Speaker 29: myself just try to get the ball in my hands

1884
01:38:53,827 --> 01:38:57,787
Speaker 29: early so I can be physical the mind that from

1885
01:38:58,187 --> 01:38:59,867
Speaker 29: all the other guys who are coming on for the

1886
01:38:59,947 --> 01:39:00,467
Speaker 29: bench as well.

1887
01:39:00,667 --> 01:39:02,187
Speaker 3: Does it feel like, yeah, if you get an early

1888
01:39:02,267 --> 01:39:03,987
Speaker 3: touch once you come on the part that things flow

1889
01:39:03,987 --> 01:39:06,267
Speaker 3: a little bit better rather than waiting run for a cara.

1890
01:39:06,387 --> 01:39:06,947
Speaker 13: You're a line up.

1891
01:39:06,947 --> 01:39:09,107
Speaker 29: Whatever it might be, yeah, I think, but the thing

1892
01:39:09,147 --> 01:39:10,507
Speaker 29: of cod a on the bench, you don't know if

1893
01:39:10,547 --> 01:39:13,147
Speaker 29: you're going to get twenty ten or five. So being

1894
01:39:13,187 --> 01:39:16,067
Speaker 29: able to do something straight away for me, getting hands

1895
01:39:16,067 --> 01:39:20,067
Speaker 29: on the board or try to make a dominant collision,

1896
01:39:20,467 --> 01:39:22,987
Speaker 29: I think it's where my game is.

1897
01:39:23,467 --> 01:39:26,067
Speaker 3: Seems like the benches that's always been important, I guess

1898
01:39:26,107 --> 01:39:27,507
Speaker 3: some rugby, but you know it's South Africa in the

1899
01:39:27,507 --> 01:39:29,107
Speaker 3: way they're going, but also the way they all Blacks

1900
01:39:29,147 --> 01:39:30,627
Speaker 3: have sort of built the bench over the course of

1901
01:39:30,667 --> 01:39:33,307
Speaker 3: the year that it's a real twenty three man game

1902
01:39:33,387 --> 01:39:35,027
Speaker 3: at the moment. Do you do you feel the same way?

1903
01:39:35,507 --> 01:39:35,867
Speaker 13: Yeah, I do.

1904
01:39:36,067 --> 01:39:37,507
Speaker 29: I think you look at the guys on the bench.

1905
01:39:37,547 --> 01:39:40,067
Speaker 29: I think given us, we connect as a as a

1906
01:39:40,147 --> 01:39:43,427
Speaker 29: bench on the field and talk about our roles beforehand.

1907
01:39:43,547 --> 01:39:46,747
Speaker 29: So I think for me, I feel like there's a

1908
01:39:46,787 --> 01:39:51,707
Speaker 29: bit of a culture shift there. I think we would

1909
01:39:51,707 --> 01:39:55,427
Speaker 29: all like to start obviously, but having the ben troll

1910
01:39:55,507 --> 01:39:58,827
Speaker 29: is important and I think for me especially, I'm kind

1911
01:39:58,827 --> 01:40:03,707
Speaker 29: of enjoying the role that that entails, and I think

1912
01:40:04,547 --> 01:40:05,147
Speaker 29: with a few.

1913
01:40:04,987 --> 01:40:06,827
Speaker 13: Other guys that offer plus the.

1914
01:40:08,347 --> 01:40:09,987
Speaker 29: We're starting to enjoy that together as well.

1915
01:40:10,147 --> 01:40:12,467
Speaker 2: That is Patrick Twey Pilot two who for the third

1916
01:40:12,507 --> 01:40:15,587
Speaker 2: testing succession will come off the reserves bench wearing jersey

1917
01:40:15,667 --> 01:40:18,027
Speaker 2: number nineteen for the All Blacks. But tomorrow morning it

1918
01:40:18,067 --> 01:40:21,187
Speaker 2: will be Test Match number fifty four. Patrick Twoy Pilot

1919
01:40:21,267 --> 01:40:23,787
Speaker 2: two to twenty four. When we come back, we're going

1920
01:40:23,827 --> 01:40:25,987
Speaker 2: to find out a little bit more about the Premier

1921
01:40:26,187 --> 01:40:30,747
Speaker 2: Hockey League, New Zealand's new elite domestic hockey competition. That's

1922
01:40:30,787 --> 01:40:32,547
Speaker 2: when we come back here at Weekend Sport.

1923
01:40:32,747 --> 01:40:38,307
Speaker 1: One Grudge Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Tame and GJ.

1924
01:40:38,507 --> 01:40:41,907
Speaker 1: Gunner Homes, new Zealand's first trusted homebuilder News Talk to

1925
01:40:41,907 --> 01:40:42,707
Speaker 1: a Baby.

1926
01:40:42,987 --> 01:40:45,707
Speaker 2: Two twenty seven on News Talks thereb. The Premier Hockey

1927
01:40:45,827 --> 01:40:49,627
Speaker 2: League is New Zealand's new elite domestic field hockey competition.

1928
01:40:50,027 --> 01:40:55,107
Speaker 2: It involves four rival franchises playing over six weekends, culminating

1929
01:40:55,187 --> 01:40:58,067
Speaker 2: with the finals day on the seventh of December at

1930
01:40:58,307 --> 01:41:01,227
Speaker 2: North Harbor. It's Round three this weekend. Find out a

1931
01:41:01,267 --> 01:41:03,667
Speaker 2: bit more about this competition, its origins and that sort

1932
01:41:03,707 --> 01:41:07,107
Speaker 2: of thing. Let's bring in former Black Sticks Legend double

1933
01:41:07,267 --> 01:41:10,347
Speaker 2: Olympian Peter Muskimmon. Peter, thanks for joining. Just tell us

1934
01:41:10,347 --> 01:41:14,107
Speaker 2: about the origins of this Premiere Hockey League. How did

1935
01:41:14,147 --> 01:41:15,947
Speaker 2: it all come about here?

1936
01:41:16,067 --> 01:41:16,147
Speaker 13: Hi?

1937
01:41:16,347 --> 01:41:16,987
Speaker 7: How are you hey?

1938
01:41:17,067 --> 01:41:19,867
Speaker 27: Thanks so much for the opportunity. Yes, it's hugely exciting

1939
01:41:19,947 --> 01:41:24,227
Speaker 27: for the hockey community. We've been a bit baron of

1940
01:41:25,027 --> 01:41:28,907
Speaker 27: top flight elite hockey provincial hockey in New Zealand for

1941
01:41:29,027 --> 01:41:29,747
Speaker 27: quite some time.

1942
01:41:30,227 --> 01:41:33,707
Speaker 7: So this is really a play from New Zealand Hockey

1943
01:41:33,907 --> 01:41:36,947
Speaker 7: to create more products and more.

1944
01:41:36,907 --> 01:41:40,907
Speaker 27: Content for New Zealand hockey fans to see an experience,

1945
01:41:41,427 --> 01:41:44,987
Speaker 27: and it's really all about strengthening the pathway and opportunities

1946
01:41:45,027 --> 01:41:48,787
Speaker 27: for aspiring young players on their pathway.

1947
01:41:48,387 --> 01:41:52,507
Speaker 7: Towards the Black Sticks and beyond. So it's a redesign.

1948
01:41:52,627 --> 01:41:56,187
Speaker 27: It's it's four franchises, one from the lower and from

1949
01:41:56,227 --> 01:41:58,667
Speaker 27: the South Island called the Old Piners, one from the

1950
01:41:58,707 --> 01:42:02,107
Speaker 27: Lower North Island which is the Falcons, There's one through

1951
01:42:02,547 --> 01:42:05,747
Speaker 27: through the middle which is the Mavericks, and then there

1952
01:42:05,867 --> 01:42:09,387
Speaker 27: is the Tridents, which takes in all of Auckland and Northland.

1953
01:42:09,827 --> 01:42:13,147
Speaker 27: So the are the four franchises and they're doing battle

1954
01:42:13,227 --> 01:42:15,667
Speaker 27: right now and the and the inaugural PHL.

1955
01:42:16,147 --> 01:42:19,067
Speaker 2: How were the squads selected for each of the franchises,

1956
01:42:19,107 --> 01:42:20,547
Speaker 2: Peter Yea.

1957
01:42:20,947 --> 01:42:27,027
Speaker 27: Most of the players self determined the the province of

1958
01:42:27,107 --> 01:42:29,907
Speaker 27: origin or where they grew up and the old story

1959
01:42:29,947 --> 01:42:31,627
Speaker 27: it's mate on mate, So a lot of them want

1960
01:42:31,707 --> 01:42:35,107
Speaker 27: to go back and play for those that you know

1961
01:42:35,387 --> 01:42:37,147
Speaker 27: that where they came from and where.

1962
01:42:36,947 --> 01:42:37,907
Speaker 7: They originated from.

1963
01:42:38,467 --> 01:42:40,827
Speaker 27: Equally, it's created a real opportunity, I know, the likes

1964
01:42:40,867 --> 01:42:43,187
Speaker 27: of the South Island. It brings all the guys from

1965
01:42:43,227 --> 01:42:46,427
Speaker 27: Otago and Cannoby together that normally would battle it away.

1966
01:42:47,027 --> 01:42:50,267
Speaker 27: They're on the same roster, same team. It's very much

1967
01:42:50,307 --> 01:42:53,027
Speaker 27: the same as elsewhere. And the Falcons. You know, it's

1968
01:42:53,067 --> 01:42:56,867
Speaker 27: bringing the Wellington, the Mnaatu and the Hawks Bay together

1969
01:42:56,947 --> 01:42:59,387
Speaker 27: in a really unique way and that's quite novel and

1970
01:42:59,707 --> 01:43:02,827
Speaker 27: actually all the players are very excited about about playing

1971
01:43:02,907 --> 01:43:06,027
Speaker 27: together when typically they fought each other on the field.

1972
01:43:06,387 --> 01:43:09,267
Speaker 2: Now one of the unique features of the Premier Hockey

1973
01:43:09,347 --> 01:43:13,387
Speaker 2: League is the private ownership component to it. Can can

1974
01:43:13,467 --> 01:43:14,707
Speaker 2: you unpack that a little bit for us?

1975
01:43:15,747 --> 01:43:16,667
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think this is all.

1976
01:43:17,547 --> 01:43:22,107
Speaker 27: Obviously most sports have gone down pathway of looking at

1977
01:43:22,227 --> 01:43:27,827
Speaker 27: local ownership and a local investment in that pathway and

1978
01:43:27,907 --> 01:43:28,507
Speaker 27: in the future.

1979
01:43:29,067 --> 01:43:31,547
Speaker 7: So Hockey New Zealand has gone down that route as well.

1980
01:43:31,707 --> 01:43:38,547
Speaker 27: So created four franchises so for locally owned clubs, if

1981
01:43:38,587 --> 01:43:41,827
Speaker 27: you like, have been created. You know that the Alpineers,

1982
01:43:41,867 --> 01:43:47,227
Speaker 27: the Falcons, the Mavericks and the Tridents that they are

1983
01:43:47,307 --> 01:43:51,707
Speaker 27: all uniquely owned, privately owned. That that's got philanthropic investment

1984
01:43:51,747 --> 01:43:55,467
Speaker 27: and it's got commercial investment. So each of those franchises

1985
01:43:55,507 --> 01:43:59,227
Speaker 27: has to pull together quite a significant amount of dollars.

1986
01:43:58,987 --> 01:44:01,387
Speaker 7: To make the PHL work this year.

1987
01:44:02,107 --> 01:44:04,947
Speaker 27: The really significant thing is the players have all agreed

1988
01:44:05,227 --> 01:44:09,107
Speaker 27: not to be paid, and that's significant. Otherwise we would

1989
01:44:09,187 --> 01:44:11,547
Speaker 27: never have been able to get this the league up

1990
01:44:11,587 --> 01:44:16,387
Speaker 27: and going. And so that's their contribution and to this league,

1991
01:44:16,427 --> 01:44:18,507
Speaker 27: and all of the players wanted this league. That was

1992
01:44:18,507 --> 01:44:20,427
Speaker 27: one of the highest priority of all the black sticks

1993
01:44:20,467 --> 01:44:25,587
Speaker 27: coming out was our top flight league. So those four

1994
01:44:26,427 --> 01:44:30,947
Speaker 27: franchises have now been created and they are busily developing,

1995
01:44:31,427 --> 01:44:34,507
Speaker 27: you know, their financial models and getting local investment and

1996
01:44:34,867 --> 01:44:37,067
Speaker 27: to support the talent in the area.

1997
01:44:37,347 --> 01:44:40,307
Speaker 2: All right, So we've had two rounds already, Peter, who's

1998
01:44:40,387 --> 01:44:42,747
Speaker 2: making the I guess you'd call it the early running

1999
01:44:42,787 --> 01:44:44,387
Speaker 2: and the men's and women's competitions.

2000
01:44:45,667 --> 01:44:49,067
Speaker 27: If I take the men's to start with the Alpineers,

2001
01:44:49,107 --> 01:44:52,227
Speaker 27: the South Island team, you know, they boast about twelve

2002
01:44:52,307 --> 01:44:56,267
Speaker 27: to or more Black Sticks current Black Sticks players in it.

2003
01:44:57,027 --> 01:44:58,827
Speaker 7: They're very very strong at the moment.

2004
01:44:59,707 --> 01:45:02,227
Speaker 27: They've had two wins so far, so they are topping

2005
01:45:02,307 --> 01:45:05,667
Speaker 27: the pool and the other three teams are all sitting

2006
01:45:05,747 --> 01:45:09,627
Speaker 27: on two point, so ol Piners have eight and Trient's,

2007
01:45:09,707 --> 01:45:12,147
Speaker 27: Mavericks and Falcons all have two. Where they are all

2008
01:45:12,707 --> 01:45:15,587
Speaker 27: effectively drawing and cutting each other's throats if you like,

2009
01:45:15,707 --> 01:45:18,387
Speaker 27: and that's allowed the old Pinters to jump ahead and

2010
01:45:18,507 --> 01:45:20,067
Speaker 27: the Woman's it's a little bit tighter.

2011
01:45:20,667 --> 01:45:23,107
Speaker 7: The Falcons are on six points.

2012
01:45:23,387 --> 01:45:26,107
Speaker 27: They've had a win and a drawer and on that

2013
01:45:26,267 --> 01:45:29,107
Speaker 27: drawer there is a shootout at the end of that

2014
01:45:29,827 --> 01:45:32,307
Speaker 27: and they've won that shootout which gives them an extra point.

2015
01:45:32,867 --> 01:45:35,147
Speaker 27: So they're one point ahead of the Tridents from Auckland

2016
01:45:35,387 --> 01:45:39,827
Speaker 27: and Northland and two points for the Alpiners and one

2017
01:45:39,907 --> 01:45:43,027
Speaker 27: for the Mavericks. So a lot to play for this

2018
01:45:43,187 --> 01:45:47,507
Speaker 27: weekend as shaping forward to the finals weekend which one

2019
01:45:47,547 --> 01:45:51,387
Speaker 27: plays too, and both men and women buying out for

2020
01:45:51,787 --> 01:45:53,067
Speaker 27: the title, the PHL title.

2021
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:55,587
Speaker 2: As far as the scoring system is concerned, Peter, I

2022
01:45:55,707 --> 01:45:58,947
Speaker 2: understand there's a slight innovation as far as that's concerned

2023
01:45:58,947 --> 01:46:00,027
Speaker 2: as well. Can you tell us about that.

2024
01:46:01,147 --> 01:46:03,347
Speaker 27: Yeah, this is all about making it more exciting for

2025
01:46:04,427 --> 01:46:08,507
Speaker 27: fans who come along. What Hockey New Zealand's done is

2026
01:46:08,547 --> 01:46:13,707
Speaker 27: adopted a experimental rule which Australia have been playing with,

2027
01:46:13,827 --> 01:46:17,027
Speaker 27: which is when you score a field goal you get

2028
01:46:17,107 --> 01:46:20,667
Speaker 27: the opportunity to take a penalty shootout for an extra point.

2029
01:46:21,307 --> 01:46:23,347
Speaker 27: So if you score a field goal, the person who

2030
01:46:23,387 --> 01:46:26,227
Speaker 27: scored the goal actually has a shootout with the goalkeeper

2031
01:46:26,427 --> 01:46:28,707
Speaker 27: and so you can go from one point to two

2032
01:46:28,787 --> 01:46:32,187
Speaker 27: points very quickly, so that dramatically changes the nature of

2033
01:46:32,267 --> 01:46:32,547
Speaker 27: the game.

2034
01:46:33,027 --> 01:46:35,707
Speaker 7: It slightly emphasizes field.

2035
01:46:35,427 --> 01:46:39,067
Speaker 27: Goals over corners, so corner is only worth one goal,

2036
01:46:39,667 --> 01:46:41,547
Speaker 27: but you can double up with a field goal with two,

2037
01:46:41,667 --> 01:46:44,507
Speaker 27: so the game changes. The mood of the game changes

2038
01:46:44,667 --> 01:46:46,387
Speaker 27: very quickly. If you can get a field goal and

2039
01:46:47,507 --> 01:46:51,587
Speaker 27: a shootout point, you know you can catch up to

2040
01:46:51,587 --> 01:46:53,187
Speaker 27: the opposition very quickly if you're behind.

2041
01:46:53,547 --> 01:46:55,107
Speaker 2: You've mentioned it a couple of times, Peter, but how

2042
01:46:55,147 --> 01:46:58,907
Speaker 2: much do you expect this competition will help our national teams,

2043
01:46:58,947 --> 01:47:00,267
Speaker 2: our men's and women's black sticks.

2044
01:47:01,107 --> 01:47:03,787
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's too far one. It does create

2045
01:47:03,787 --> 01:47:04,307
Speaker 7: a pathway.

2046
01:47:04,427 --> 01:47:08,027
Speaker 27: It does show young kids coming up what they need

2047
01:47:08,107 --> 01:47:09,747
Speaker 27: to do and where they need to go. If you

2048
01:47:09,787 --> 01:47:12,147
Speaker 27: want to make the pathway to the Black Sticks, you

2049
01:47:12,347 --> 01:47:14,707
Speaker 27: definitely need to have a strong showing in one of

2050
01:47:14,747 --> 01:47:18,107
Speaker 27: these PHL teams. So these are our best players right

2051
01:47:18,187 --> 01:47:21,427
Speaker 27: through the country. They're seeded with some international players. There

2052
01:47:21,467 --> 01:47:26,627
Speaker 27: will be more international players coming in over time, hopefully

2053
01:47:27,067 --> 01:47:31,507
Speaker 27: opening up to more in Asia players coming in and

2054
01:47:31,947 --> 01:47:35,387
Speaker 27: providing a link into Asia as well. So there's great

2055
01:47:35,427 --> 01:47:38,747
Speaker 27: ambition in terms of the roster of those teams. But

2056
01:47:39,427 --> 01:47:43,067
Speaker 27: what the players are saying is they definitely want higher

2057
01:47:43,147 --> 01:47:46,907
Speaker 27: quality domestic elite competition in New Zealand and this.

2058
01:47:47,027 --> 01:47:48,427
Speaker 7: Will will provide it.

2059
01:47:48,827 --> 01:47:51,147
Speaker 27: But equally it provides all the fans and all the

2060
01:47:51,227 --> 01:47:54,067
Speaker 27: young kids the opportunity of seeing the heroes playing. They

2061
01:47:54,187 --> 01:47:56,547
Speaker 27: just don't get enough of them. Many of our men

2062
01:47:56,627 --> 01:48:01,547
Speaker 27: and women are now playing offshore in Europe and this

2063
01:48:01,707 --> 01:48:03,307
Speaker 27: is an opportunity for them to come home in a

2064
01:48:03,387 --> 01:48:07,107
Speaker 27: window that works for their contracting in Europe, allows them

2065
01:48:07,147 --> 01:48:09,387
Speaker 27: to come home and play. And so we again to

2066
01:48:09,467 --> 01:48:12,107
Speaker 27: see all of these top players battling it out and

2067
01:48:12,787 --> 01:48:14,187
Speaker 27: the young kids are absolutely loving it.

2068
01:48:14,347 --> 01:48:16,947
Speaker 2: Absolutely And the vision Peter moving forward, I know we've

2069
01:48:16,987 --> 01:48:19,507
Speaker 2: only just started, but you talked about ambition is the

2070
01:48:19,587 --> 01:48:23,107
Speaker 2: vision moving forward to have more teams, longer season, what

2071
01:48:23,507 --> 01:48:25,747
Speaker 2: have you sort of has that been discussed at all?

2072
01:48:26,547 --> 01:48:28,667
Speaker 27: Yeah, Well, the opportunity here is we have a free

2073
01:48:28,707 --> 01:48:31,907
Speaker 27: to wear deal with TV and Z Plus, which really

2074
01:48:32,027 --> 01:48:36,467
Speaker 27: means that the games can be experienced and seen by

2075
01:48:36,587 --> 01:48:39,747
Speaker 27: more fans and more people, which is great. I think

2076
01:48:39,787 --> 01:48:44,787
Speaker 27: the whole financial viability is the critical issue here. Substantial

2077
01:48:44,867 --> 01:48:47,987
Speaker 27: investment from the hockey community already coming in, so that will,

2078
01:48:48,307 --> 01:48:52,467
Speaker 27: you know, depending on that will will dictate how much

2079
01:48:52,587 --> 01:48:54,067
Speaker 27: the competition can expand.

2080
01:48:54,387 --> 01:48:55,827
Speaker 7: But I think to the next three or four years

2081
01:48:55,867 --> 01:48:56,507
Speaker 7: that will be the.

2082
01:48:56,587 --> 01:49:00,307
Speaker 27: Four but it may well be more quality players from

2083
01:49:00,307 --> 01:49:03,387
Speaker 27: offshore coaches as well as players coming into the league

2084
01:49:03,427 --> 01:49:06,827
Speaker 27: to really showcase it and make it a fan fantastic

2085
01:49:07,787 --> 01:49:10,507
Speaker 27: opportunity for people to get along and watch hockey.

2086
01:49:10,587 --> 01:49:11,427
Speaker 7: It's best, all right.

2087
01:49:11,547 --> 01:49:13,107
Speaker 2: Just before you go, I just want to ask about

2088
01:49:13,147 --> 01:49:18,507
Speaker 2: the decision or the announcement of the scale back twenty

2089
01:49:18,547 --> 01:49:21,507
Speaker 2: twenty six Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. Hockey has missed out

2090
01:49:21,547 --> 01:49:23,787
Speaker 2: on the schedule there. I know that there's a great

2091
01:49:23,827 --> 01:49:26,387
Speaker 2: hope that it will return in twenty thirty. How much

2092
01:49:26,427 --> 01:49:28,227
Speaker 2: of a blow though is it to the sport here?

2093
01:49:28,307 --> 01:49:31,267
Speaker 2: To miss out on the schedule for Glasgow.

2094
01:49:31,747 --> 01:49:35,627
Speaker 27: Well, it wasn't unsurprising. I think we, like a number

2095
01:49:35,627 --> 01:49:37,667
Speaker 27: of other sports, could see the riding on the wall.

2096
01:49:37,707 --> 01:49:40,307
Speaker 27: I mean it was fantastic against Scotland has picked up

2097
01:49:40,387 --> 01:49:44,467
Speaker 27: the thread of the Commonwealth Games after what happened in

2098
01:49:44,627 --> 01:49:48,467
Speaker 27: Victoria and Melbourne, and it's just wonderful for athletes to

2099
01:49:48,907 --> 01:49:51,507
Speaker 27: have Commonwealth Games, even though it's scaled down.

2100
01:49:52,067 --> 01:49:52,827
Speaker 7: I don't think the.

2101
01:49:52,907 --> 01:49:58,187
Speaker 27: Commonwealth Federation see the Commonwealth Games being a cutdown version.

2102
01:49:58,427 --> 01:50:01,027
Speaker 27: It certainly sees it as a different version going forward.

2103
01:50:01,147 --> 01:50:04,227
Speaker 27: So like all other sports that are not on the

2104
01:50:04,627 --> 01:50:07,987
Speaker 27: program for Glasgow, there is an opportunity of coming back

2105
01:50:08,867 --> 01:50:11,427
Speaker 27: and later years, but it is a bit of a blow.

2106
01:50:11,467 --> 01:50:14,667
Speaker 27: It is a window of opportunity that players are available.

2107
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:17,387
Speaker 27: So there are conversations going on now around the world

2108
01:50:17,467 --> 01:50:22,307
Speaker 27: around maybe having a Commonwealth tournament or tournament with Commonwealth

2109
01:50:22,387 --> 01:50:27,387
Speaker 27: countries in it to provide the opportunity for those hockey

2110
01:50:27,427 --> 01:50:29,547
Speaker 27: players who typically would be at the Commonwealth Games to

2111
01:50:29,627 --> 01:50:31,867
Speaker 27: have that same sort of competition, be it at a

2112
01:50:31,987 --> 01:50:35,867
Speaker 27: sports specific tournament rather than a multi sporting event like

2113
01:50:35,947 --> 01:50:36,707
Speaker 27: the Commonwealth Games.

2114
01:50:36,787 --> 01:50:38,827
Speaker 2: All right, we'll look forward to more progress there. In

2115
01:50:38,827 --> 01:50:40,867
Speaker 2: the meantime, the Premier Hockey League. We'll let our listeners

2116
01:50:40,907 --> 01:50:43,347
Speaker 2: know in a second where they can watch the action

2117
01:50:43,427 --> 01:50:46,107
Speaker 2: across this weekend and beyond. Peter really appreciate you taking.

2118
01:50:45,907 --> 01:50:48,427
Speaker 7: The time to fill us in great one. Thank you

2119
01:50:48,507 --> 01:50:49,147
Speaker 7: very much for the time.

2120
01:50:49,267 --> 01:50:51,027
Speaker 2: No, thank you for yours, Peter. Peter muskimm In their

2121
01:50:51,027 --> 01:50:54,507
Speaker 2: former blackstick, a double Olympian and a driving force still

2122
01:50:54,707 --> 01:50:56,387
Speaker 2: in the game of hockey around our country.

2123
01:50:56,587 --> 01:50:56,747
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2124
01:50:56,787 --> 01:50:59,827
Speaker 2: So the Premier Hockey League. We're into round three matches

2125
01:50:59,827 --> 01:51:03,667
Speaker 2: today at at the National Hockey Stadium in Wellington fac

2126
01:51:03,707 --> 01:51:07,467
Speaker 2: they're already underway the Falcons and l Piners. That's two

2127
01:51:07,507 --> 01:51:09,747
Speaker 2: of the teams. There are games between the men's and

2128
01:51:09,787 --> 01:51:12,827
Speaker 2: women's sides, and then tomorrow the Mavericks and the Tridents

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Speaker 2: at Blake Park and Todonga with games starting at one

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01:51:16,747 --> 01:51:19,747
Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow afternoon. All of the fixtures and other information

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01:51:19,827 --> 01:51:22,707
Speaker 2: you want to find is on their website Premiere Hockey

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01:51:22,827 --> 01:51:26,267
Speaker 2: League dot co, dot enz. Just updating you on some

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01:51:26,627 --> 01:51:30,907
Speaker 2: domestic cricket. Round one in the women's Halliburton Johnston Shield.

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Speaker 2: This is the fifty over competition in Mountain Longing to

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Speaker 2: be Northern districts all out to forty seven. Auckland have

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Speaker 2: started their chase pretty well in the third over there

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Speaker 2: eighteen without loss. It's raining in Lungyorda where they've taken

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Speaker 2: an early lunch otago one hundred and eighteen for one

2139
01:51:45,627 --> 01:51:48,947
Speaker 2: through twenty seven overs and a couple of balls there

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Speaker 2: before rain stop play, so it remains to be seen

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Speaker 2: whether they can get back out there and at the

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Speaker 2: base in reserve. The Central Hines having won the toss

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Speaker 2: and electing to bat one hundred and two for eight

2144
01:51:59,867 --> 01:52:03,747
Speaker 2: against Wellington in the thirty third over, that match has

2145
01:52:03,827 --> 01:52:08,307
Speaker 2: been shortened to forty three overs per side. What are

2146
01:52:08,347 --> 01:52:11,507
Speaker 2: we twenty one away from three? When we come back,

2147
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk some Australian rules football, our men's

2148
01:52:15,227 --> 01:52:19,027
Speaker 2: and women's teams, the Falcons and the Caho taking part

2149
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Speaker 2: in the AFL Pacific Cup in Australia and the week ahead.

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Speaker 2: Gonna find out more about that when we come back.

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Speaker 1: You be the TMO have your say On eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason hin and GJ. Garvnerholmes,

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01:52:33,427 --> 01:52:36,307
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks they'd.

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Speaker 2: Be eighteen away from three. OK, let's talk some Australian

2155
01:52:39,307 --> 01:52:43,387
Speaker 2: rules football. The AFL Pacific Cup on in the week ahead,

2156
01:52:43,467 --> 01:52:46,347
Speaker 2: starting tomorrow through till next weekend. It's being played at

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Speaker 2: the Maruchi Door Multi Sports Complex on Australia's Sunshine Coast. Now,

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01:52:51,587 --> 01:52:55,107
Speaker 2: our men's team, the Falcons, and our first ever women's team,

2159
01:52:55,187 --> 01:52:58,667
Speaker 2: the Caho are taking part in the AFL Pacific Cup.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Falcons head coach is Chris Mandel, who joins

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Speaker 2: us now. Chris, thanks for taking the time. Tell us

2162
01:53:04,067 --> 01:53:07,747
Speaker 2: a bit about the AFL Pacific Cup. What lies ahead

2163
01:53:07,787 --> 01:53:09,227
Speaker 2: for you over the week or so ahead.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 30: So, the Pacific Cup is the first international carnival competition

2166
01:53:15,667 --> 01:53:19,707
Speaker 30: with pals. In twenty seventeen, the former iteration was called

2167
01:53:19,747 --> 01:53:22,307
Speaker 30: the International Cup, where countries from all over the world

2168
01:53:22,347 --> 01:53:25,347
Speaker 30: about twenty four countries came to Melbourne and played with

2169
01:53:25,467 --> 01:53:27,307
Speaker 30: the restrictions of COVID. We haven't been able to get

2170
01:53:27,347 --> 01:53:30,867
Speaker 30: back into that system since then, and this is the

2171
01:53:30,947 --> 01:53:34,427
Speaker 30: AFL's new regional model where for the first time the

2172
01:53:34,667 --> 01:53:37,667
Speaker 30: nations from the Pacific will get together and compete and

2173
01:53:37,787 --> 01:53:41,427
Speaker 30: runs alongside a Transatlantic Cup and a European Cup. Which

2174
01:53:41,427 --> 01:53:43,867
Speaker 30: has also been how recently, so really exciting for us

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01:53:43,907 --> 01:53:46,747
Speaker 30: to get back out into the international foray and to

2176
01:53:46,787 --> 01:53:49,747
Speaker 30: get back and try and avenge our one point loss,

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01:53:49,747 --> 01:53:52,907
Speaker 30: which is still stinging a number of our players.

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Speaker 2: Even seven years later. So does that mean that with

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Speaker 2: all with a slightly different format now, if you were

2180
01:54:00,587 --> 01:54:02,867
Speaker 2: to win the Pacific Cup, will that feed you into

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01:54:03,347 --> 01:54:05,627
Speaker 2: another competition that.

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Speaker 30: Hasn't been out and yet? From the oursel, we would

2183
01:54:07,787 --> 01:54:10,147
Speaker 30: obviously love to play as much national foot as we can.

2184
01:54:10,227 --> 01:54:13,107
Speaker 30: We love getting across the pitch and exposing our local

2185
01:54:13,187 --> 01:54:16,027
Speaker 30: players to the full, big, wide world of oursel. So yeah,

2186
01:54:16,067 --> 01:54:18,147
Speaker 30: that would be our preference, but we haven't had that

2187
01:54:18,267 --> 01:54:19,067
Speaker 30: out of land it yet.

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01:54:19,787 --> 01:54:21,507
Speaker 2: How strong is the squad you've pulled together?

2189
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Speaker 6: Yeah, really good. We've got a really good mix of experience.

2190
01:54:25,987 --> 01:54:27,867
Speaker 30: As I say, we've got probably eight or nine players

2191
01:54:27,907 --> 01:54:30,987
Speaker 30: who were in that twenty seventeen final and we've got

2192
01:54:31,027 --> 01:54:32,987
Speaker 30: a real grudge to bear. And you add to that

2193
01:54:33,227 --> 01:54:35,267
Speaker 30: a whole group of players who some of them may

2194
01:54:35,307 --> 01:54:38,067
Speaker 30: not even been paying footy when we last played back then.

2195
01:54:38,187 --> 01:54:40,267
Speaker 30: So a lot of youth and an experience. It's a

2196
01:54:40,307 --> 01:54:43,707
Speaker 30: good mix. Afon's done a huge amount of work in

2197
01:54:43,827 --> 01:54:47,747
Speaker 30: the development space and increasing our skills and capacity and

2198
01:54:47,827 --> 01:54:50,427
Speaker 30: capability of our players. So we think we're going over

2199
01:54:50,547 --> 01:54:53,427
Speaker 30: with a stronger team across the board than we have

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01:54:53,467 --> 01:54:54,347
Speaker 30: probably ever put forward.

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Speaker 2: What sort of build up have you managed to pull

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01:54:56,227 --> 01:54:59,147
Speaker 2: together before you hit away, Chris, Yeah.

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01:54:59,067 --> 01:55:01,907
Speaker 30: So a lot of our players are obviously rugby and

2204
01:55:01,907 --> 01:55:04,907
Speaker 30: football converts. They played through their winter sports there. Our

2205
01:55:05,027 --> 01:55:09,067
Speaker 30: local AFL compet Titians run from sort of September to December,

2206
01:55:09,147 --> 01:55:13,107
Speaker 30: so that's the players last September December we're playing club footy.

2207
01:55:13,587 --> 01:55:16,707
Speaker 30: That then elevated them into our ASL New Zealand Premiership,

2208
01:55:16,707 --> 01:55:19,187
Speaker 30: which is essentially a bit of a franchise model. We

2209
01:55:19,267 --> 01:55:21,867
Speaker 30: get the best players from around the country together. From

2210
01:55:21,947 --> 01:55:24,867
Speaker 30: there we then pick our national squad who have been

2211
01:55:24,947 --> 01:55:27,787
Speaker 30: training sort of in conjunction with both their other sports

2212
01:55:27,867 --> 01:55:30,387
Speaker 30: and now the local club leagues for probably five or

2213
01:55:30,427 --> 01:55:33,507
Speaker 30: six months, so it's spread out. You know, we've got

2214
01:55:33,507 --> 01:55:36,107
Speaker 30: players based in Australia, christ us to need in Funaday,

2215
01:55:36,187 --> 01:55:38,787
Speaker 30: Auckland or run the place, but we keep together with

2216
01:55:38,947 --> 01:55:41,867
Speaker 30: the one of the technology and connect wherever we can

2217
01:55:41,947 --> 01:55:43,187
Speaker 30: to try and ensure we're all the line.

2218
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Speaker 2: So who will be your stiffest opposition across this week.

2219
01:55:47,947 --> 01:55:50,107
Speaker 30: Look Papa New Guinea. They are the team that beat

2220
01:55:50,187 --> 01:55:52,427
Speaker 30: us by a point back in twenty seventeen. We've only

2221
01:55:52,427 --> 01:55:54,467
Speaker 30: ever beaten them once across sort of the last twenty

2222
01:55:54,507 --> 01:55:57,507
Speaker 30: odd years. They are a really strong nation who have

2223
01:55:57,587 --> 01:56:00,307
Speaker 30: a lot of their players playing both locally but also

2224
01:56:00,387 --> 01:56:03,987
Speaker 30: in Australia. They've got a really strong base and will

2225
01:56:04,027 --> 01:56:06,747
Speaker 30: be fierce competition and so we're both you know, we're

2226
01:56:06,787 --> 01:56:08,787
Speaker 30: really looking forward to that challenge. That's what we're you know,

2227
01:56:08,947 --> 01:56:11,747
Speaker 30: they're our team we're targeting across this competition. But that

2228
01:56:11,827 --> 01:56:13,707
Speaker 30: that's not to say you know, the likes of Nauru,

2229
01:56:13,907 --> 01:56:17,467
Speaker 30: where AFL is the national sport, Fiji, Tonga, those guys,

2230
01:56:17,507 --> 01:56:20,067
Speaker 30: you know, we know what's those countries produced in terms

2231
01:56:20,107 --> 01:56:22,147
Speaker 30: of athletes, and we're certainly going to be ready for them.

2232
01:56:22,227 --> 01:56:24,307
Speaker 2: Are you able to do any scouting of any sort

2233
01:56:24,587 --> 01:56:26,987
Speaker 2: or are you really just concentrating on what you guys

2234
01:56:27,027 --> 01:56:27,547
Speaker 2: are all about?

2235
01:56:28,667 --> 01:56:29,307
Speaker 6: Look a bit of both.

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Speaker 30: So we try whereever we can to get an understanding

2237
01:56:31,587 --> 01:56:33,667
Speaker 30: of our positions. But it is very tricky, you know,

2238
01:56:34,307 --> 01:56:37,947
Speaker 30: not at this level, not many games a televised and

2239
01:56:38,027 --> 01:56:40,107
Speaker 30: not many games are able to be seen. So wherever

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Speaker 30: we can, we've tried to get an understanding. We had,

2241
01:56:42,387 --> 01:56:44,307
Speaker 30: you know, a network of people who know these countries

2242
01:56:44,307 --> 01:56:46,307
Speaker 30: and know how they go, so we'd pull from that.

2243
01:56:46,867 --> 01:56:48,707
Speaker 30: But as you say, our primary focus is on can

2244
01:56:48,747 --> 01:56:50,707
Speaker 30: we achieve how we want to play? Can we get

2245
01:56:50,747 --> 01:56:52,387
Speaker 30: our game plan to be more effective than theirs?

2246
01:56:52,427 --> 01:56:55,787
Speaker 2: Essentially, how do you assess the strength of the sport

2247
01:56:55,947 --> 01:56:57,387
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand at present?

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01:56:58,907 --> 01:57:00,907
Speaker 30: Look, I think you know, we took a real hammering

2249
01:57:01,107 --> 01:57:03,227
Speaker 30: with COVID as a smaller sport.

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Speaker 6: We were doing aphon EUGM. We're doing a huge amount

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01:57:05,387 --> 01:57:05,787
Speaker 6: of work.

2252
01:57:05,707 --> 01:57:08,227
Speaker 30: Prior to COVID in the school space, we had a

2253
01:57:08,267 --> 01:57:10,707
Speaker 30: primary school in a high school competition that was beginning

2254
01:57:10,787 --> 01:57:13,427
Speaker 30: to create a pool of talent and a pool of

2255
01:57:13,507 --> 01:57:16,307
Speaker 30: players that can start to develop further. So that really

2256
01:57:16,347 --> 01:57:18,227
Speaker 30: set us back, and we've gone back with a little

2257
01:57:18,227 --> 01:57:20,387
Speaker 30: bit and we are rebuilding and regetting our thousands that

2258
01:57:20,507 --> 01:57:23,027
Speaker 30: school space. But what, as I said earlier, what's been

2259
01:57:23,067 --> 01:57:26,307
Speaker 30: really positive is that the overall level of the players

2260
01:57:26,347 --> 01:57:29,387
Speaker 30: who play the sport across the country has increased through

2261
01:57:29,427 --> 01:57:32,427
Speaker 30: exposure through more games on TV, seeing more of these

2262
01:57:32,467 --> 01:57:35,827
Speaker 30: superstars and getting down to the local clubs. So you know,

2263
01:57:35,907 --> 01:57:38,787
Speaker 30: while we're rebuilding in terms of our player development base,

2264
01:57:39,027 --> 01:57:41,867
Speaker 30: we are still working with that, you know, an interested

2265
01:57:41,947 --> 01:57:45,507
Speaker 30: parties and a keen group of players to develop the skills.

2266
01:57:45,667 --> 01:57:47,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned before that a lot of them come

2267
01:57:47,347 --> 01:57:49,787
Speaker 2: from other codes. Can you see a time, Chris where

2268
01:57:49,987 --> 01:57:52,547
Speaker 2: AFL becomes somebody's first choice?

2269
01:57:53,747 --> 01:57:55,427
Speaker 6: Yeah, we hope, So, you know, like that's certainly what

2270
01:57:55,467 --> 01:57:56,547
Speaker 6: we want to try and work towards.

2271
01:57:56,707 --> 01:57:59,467
Speaker 30: We've always positioned the sport in this country as complementary

2272
01:57:59,507 --> 01:58:01,947
Speaker 30: to those other sports as a way to improve fitness,

2273
01:58:02,067 --> 01:58:04,507
Speaker 30: prove cross code skills. If you look at the likes

2274
01:58:04,507 --> 01:58:07,107
Speaker 30: of rugby and league, is a lot of AFL skills

2275
01:58:07,147 --> 01:58:08,947
Speaker 30: now being used with the cross keechs and the high

2276
01:58:08,987 --> 01:58:12,427
Speaker 30: overhead marks, etc. So while we have traditionally positioned our

2277
01:58:12,467 --> 01:58:14,227
Speaker 30: sounds as complementary to them, come and learn a new

2278
01:58:14,267 --> 01:58:15,427
Speaker 30: sport to improve.

2279
01:58:15,187 --> 01:58:16,187
Speaker 6: Your skills for those sports.

2280
01:58:16,627 --> 01:58:19,147
Speaker 30: We'd certainly love to see a time where AFL is

2281
01:58:19,187 --> 01:58:22,107
Speaker 30: New Zealand's first choice, and certainly in the female space

2282
01:58:22,147 --> 01:58:25,707
Speaker 30: where the AFLW is a real tangible opportunity for our

2283
01:58:25,747 --> 01:58:29,147
Speaker 30: athletes to get into. It's a little shorter runway than

2284
01:58:29,187 --> 01:58:31,187
Speaker 30: it is for the men, and so that's a real

2285
01:58:31,227 --> 01:58:33,227
Speaker 30: opportunity for us to target and say, looky, as a

2286
01:58:33,307 --> 01:58:35,467
Speaker 30: young female athlete, come and get as at a primary

2287
01:58:35,467 --> 01:58:38,227
Speaker 30: sport and you've got a pathway to play AFLUB and

2288
01:58:38,267 --> 01:58:38,787
Speaker 30: be professional.

2289
01:58:38,947 --> 01:58:39,107
Speaker 20: Yeah.

2290
01:58:39,107 --> 01:58:41,147
Speaker 2: And also I guess I think that's right, isn't it.

2291
01:58:41,187 --> 01:58:42,827
Speaker 2: This is the first time a women's team has taken

2292
01:58:42,907 --> 01:58:45,027
Speaker 2: part in a competition of the sort. The car who

2293
01:58:45,187 --> 01:58:47,787
Speaker 2: are going to be playing alongside the Falcons in this competition.

2294
01:58:48,587 --> 01:58:51,307
Speaker 30: Yeah, it's going to be very exciting. We've have afhonsenter

2295
01:58:51,347 --> 01:58:54,667
Speaker 30: of works towards twenty twenty was our first initial attempt

2296
01:58:54,707 --> 01:58:56,987
Speaker 30: to try and get a female team across, but COVID

2297
01:58:57,027 --> 01:58:59,827
Speaker 30: put the kibosh on that. So they have been patiently

2298
01:58:59,907 --> 01:59:02,707
Speaker 30: building and developing and recruiting more players and the game,

2299
01:59:02,907 --> 01:59:05,107
Speaker 30: the female game over here has really grown in those

2300
01:59:05,187 --> 01:59:07,827
Speaker 30: last four years. Going to be hugely exciting to see

2301
01:59:07,827 --> 01:59:10,027
Speaker 30: our Carho girls take the field for the first time

2302
01:59:10,107 --> 01:59:12,747
Speaker 30: in an international carnival and you know, really take it

2303
01:59:12,827 --> 01:59:14,027
Speaker 30: to these other nations.

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01:59:14,187 --> 01:59:16,147
Speaker 2: I've just had a look at the weather forecast for

2305
01:59:16,147 --> 01:59:18,307
Speaker 2: the weak ahead in terms of temperatures for the Sunshine

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01:59:18,347 --> 01:59:21,627
Speaker 2: Coast Chris. Their high twenties, so your players will be

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01:59:21,747 --> 01:59:22,267
Speaker 2: nice and warm.

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01:59:23,267 --> 01:59:24,787
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it's going to be something to think about.

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01:59:24,827 --> 01:59:26,867
Speaker 30: You know, a lot of our New Zealand based players

2310
01:59:26,907 --> 01:59:29,387
Speaker 30: are coming out of a pretty damp and wet in

2311
01:59:29,427 --> 01:59:32,067
Speaker 30: New Zealand winter yep, and you know it's going to

2312
01:59:32,067 --> 01:59:33,307
Speaker 30: be a bit of a shock to get into those

2313
01:59:33,467 --> 01:59:35,907
Speaker 30: high humored conditions. I mean, I look at the forecast

2314
01:59:35,947 --> 01:59:37,427
Speaker 30: of the day, there's a lot of rain as forecasts

2315
01:59:37,427 --> 01:59:39,507
Speaker 30: as well, So that tropical kind.

2316
01:59:39,427 --> 01:59:41,147
Speaker 6: Of environment is going to be something that's new to

2317
01:59:41,227 --> 01:59:43,547
Speaker 6: our players. What does it mean to the suppery.

2318
01:59:43,147 --> 01:59:44,947
Speaker 30: Ball or does it mean to our hydration and our

2319
01:59:44,987 --> 01:59:47,147
Speaker 30: recovery all those kinds of things. So, but that's all

2320
01:59:47,187 --> 01:59:48,667
Speaker 30: part of the junior it's part of the excitement of

2321
01:59:48,747 --> 01:59:49,747
Speaker 30: going on these kind of campaign.

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01:59:49,907 --> 01:59:51,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so good to have it back, as you say,

2323
01:59:51,507 --> 01:59:53,787
Speaker 2: for the first time in seven years. Chris, all the

2324
01:59:53,827 --> 01:59:55,147
Speaker 2: best for the week ahead and I hope it goes

2325
01:59:55,187 --> 01:59:57,187
Speaker 2: brilliantly for you and also for the women's team as well.

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01:59:57,187 --> 01:59:58,787
Speaker 2: We look forward to seeing the results coming through.

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01:59:59,467 --> 02:00:00,467
Speaker 6: Yeah, really appreciate it the time.

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02:00:00,507 --> 02:00:02,707
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, No, thank you, Chris. Chris Mandel there he's

2329
02:00:02,747 --> 02:00:06,507
Speaker 2: the coach of our men's AFL team the Falcons. Our

2330
02:00:06,547 --> 02:00:09,347
Speaker 2: women are called the Caho and both sides are heading

2331
02:00:09,427 --> 02:00:12,587
Speaker 2: to Australia. I think they head off tomorrow the Marucci

2332
02:00:12,747 --> 02:00:16,347
Speaker 2: Door Multi Sports Complex on Australia Sunshine Coast. Marucci Door

2333
02:00:16,827 --> 02:00:19,787
Speaker 2: wonderful part of Australia, although I get the feeling it'll

2334
02:00:19,827 --> 02:00:23,907
Speaker 2: be be more business rather than pleasure for the Falcons

2335
02:00:23,947 --> 02:00:25,147
Speaker 2: and the car who will keep an eye on how

2336
02:00:25,187 --> 02:00:28,747
Speaker 2: the results go over the next week or so. Bang

2337
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Speaker 2: on ten to three News Talks.

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Speaker 1: EDB analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason five Call eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: and eighty News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB seven to three. Just reminded tomorrow's show starts at

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Speaker 2: the earlier time of around eleven fifteen. The rugby kicks

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Speaker 2: off at ten past nine at Star Defrance. Elliott Smith

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Speaker 2: and Gregor Paul with the call. When the game's all over,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a quick chat to one or both of

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Speaker 2: those fine gentlemen and then they can go and do

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Speaker 2: their post batch and we'll take it over unpacking the game,

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Speaker 2: having a chat about it. I'm sure you'll have some

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Speaker 2: thoughts on whatever plays out. So yeah, we're on the

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Speaker 2: air from the earlier time tomorrow of around eleven point fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Also along with the rugby tomorrow, we'll get you inside

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Speaker 2: the All Whites camp with defender Michael Boxel and really

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Speaker 2: looking forward to catching up with Finn Butcher, who of

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Speaker 2: course provided us with one of the undoubted highlights of

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Speaker 2: the sporting year with his gold medal in the kayak

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Speaker 2: cross at the Paris Olympic Games. Finn Butcher just after

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Speaker 2: two o'clock tomorrow on the show. Tim Beverage is on

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Speaker 2: the radio after three. Thank you for listening in to

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Speaker 2: the show, for your calls and contributions. Thanks to Andy

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Speaker 2: McDonald for pulling the whole thing together, manning the phones

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Speaker 2: and making sure everything happened the way that we planned

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Speaker 2: that it would. What's our song for today? Make it all?

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Speaker 2: Went in to play are you the song today? Piney?

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Speaker 2: It's been all Coldplay all weekend. I've had the luck

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Speaker 2: of being able to hear the concert from my place

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Speaker 2: here in Auckland the whole time, and so I'm choosing

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Speaker 2: my favorite Coldplay song. It's Violet Hill, which they've spectacularly

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Speaker 2: failed to play. So if they're not going to do it,

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Speaker 2: I'm bloody well going to do it, aren't I?

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Speaker 19: All right?

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Speaker 2: Our own little concert, Yeah, exactly, our own Coldplay concert.

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Speaker 2: Thanks my good choice. CIN tomorrow at eleven fifteen, folks.

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Speaker 9: Please const and bables all out the thing.

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Speaker 24: I want bet a lot of faking.

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Speaker 13: Love.

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Speaker 9: Watch took my life down to five. There we sad

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Speaker 9: and snow all that time. Cheap side Still.

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Speaker 24: If you love me, won't you Lead Man? If you

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Speaker 24: love me, won't Chi Lead Man?

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