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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by habit hel Physio. Book

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Speaker 2: today and stay in the game Rugby Direct Direct. Back

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Speaker 2: for our midweek podcast Elliott Smith and with me. Liam

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Speaker 2: Napier has been summed out through injury. Well, hopefully touch

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Speaker 2: base with Liam later next week. And then is Nick Bewley,

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Speaker 2: our Crusader's commentator to join us this week? Bills, thanks

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Speaker 2: for giving up some of your time and joining us

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Speaker 2: on Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 3: Ellie.

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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure and it goes to show, doesn't it?

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Speaker 4: Row to and Super Rugby Pacific. It's already taking a

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Speaker 4: toll on players and broadcasters.

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Speaker 2: And journalists, so my thoughts to Liam. Hopefully recovers absolutely

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Speaker 2: let's ripen to it. Dalton Papalletti announcing a couple of

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Speaker 2: days ago now that he is leaving New Zealand rugby

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Speaker 2: after the season. He only played one test last year.

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Speaker 2: He's played nine on forty tests for the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: but decided that he is out heading to Castra Olympeak

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Speaker 2: in France. Did this catch you by surprise, nekor did

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Speaker 2: that perhaps the interview gave with TVNZ the week before

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Speaker 2: signal that he might be on the way out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I suppose, without knowing the full extent of the

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Speaker 4: details and the timeline, part of me thought Dalton would

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Speaker 4: be one of those players who was clearly out of

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Speaker 4: least wait to see who the next All Blacks coaches

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Speaker 4: and push towards the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup

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Speaker 4: in terms of getting a flight over to Australia. So look,

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Speaker 4: this deal may have been done for all we know,

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Speaker 4: you know over the Christmas New Year period. I just

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Speaker 4: who was the coach of that All Blacks fifteen team,

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Speaker 4: who is now one of only two realistic contenders to

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Speaker 4: replace Scott Robertson in the top All Blacks jobs. So

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Speaker 4: curious timing to say the least. But here's a guy

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Speaker 4: who's given plenty to the Blues in particular and New

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Speaker 4: Zealand rugby, and you current begrudge a player at this

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Speaker 4: point of his career looking at the riches of France.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't blame him either. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: more to give the All Blacks Jersey. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he had a great Super rugby year last year, but

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Speaker 2: he's always delivered. I felt on the international stage in

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Speaker 2: of that that similarity is Sam Kaine. I think Golden

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Speaker 2: Papaletti had it. But he made his point clear that

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Speaker 2: he probably didn't gel with the All Blacks coaching staff

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Speaker 2: it's a lost in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: We certainly lost for the Blues as they go forward,

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Speaker 2: the AB's coaching timeline. This is from a colleague Liam,

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Speaker 2: of course, who said that it's probably still three weeks away.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you ought exactly the same in box Facebook

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Speaker 2: McCaul is apparently in as an assistant coach. We've got

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Speaker 2: the way that they're going about doing their due diligence?

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Speaker 4: Look, outside of people asking me about who the Sam

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Speaker 3: What is going on with this all? Blacks coaching situation.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to add to the fuel by rumor

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Speaker 4: All Black Dame Coles, who are on this panel, this

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Speaker 4: to do the same at Kobe with Dave Renni. Although

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Speaker 4: sort of what they're actually going to see. I feel

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden it sounded like an appointment could

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Speaker 4: be made last week, earlier this week. I think, you

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Speaker 4: know New Zealand Rugby that there is no real rush

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Speaker 4: in the sense of July as the first Test match.

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Speaker 4: I know there's been discussion around it being a potential distraction.

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Speaker 4: Well the Highlanders dismissed any notion of that by dispatching

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Speaker 4: I'm sort of pleased they're doing their due diligence and

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Speaker 2: That's right. It's an important decision. They didn't get it

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Speaker 2: And you're right, there is no real rush because if

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Speaker 2: they do appoint Dave Rennie, look he's contracted through until

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Speaker 2: him early. You know, if Jammie Joseph were to be

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably about where we'll land with this

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Speaker 2: we get into the Super rgby teams, lesterfying Onnoku, would

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Speaker 4: I think that's what it is, certainly bingch and look,

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Speaker 3: They've got Sebby Reese.

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Speaker 4: to basics with Lester Fyingnook. You get, you know, declutter

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Speaker 4: So it'll be fascinating actually to see where he comes on.

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Speaker 4: I suspect it'll be in the midfield, but based on

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Speaker 4: here really to say you just can't drop that many balls,

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Speaker 4: You can't have those defensive reads that allowed for that

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right. I mean you don't think you'll see

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say no. And look, look they've got

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Speaker 4: They've got plenty of depth in the loocifle trands, not

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Speaker 2: Not too many other surprises from the Super Rugby team

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Speaker 2: Namings Wednesday. We saw the Blues make a few changes

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Speaker 2: to their pack, none to the back line. Chiefs bring

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Speaker 2: head south to the Highlanders who have made just the

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Speaker 2: one change with Ethan the group coming back into the

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Speaker 2: starting side. The Hurricanes. We'll have Royguard and Billy Procter

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Speaker 2: coming off the bench. There's I think seven debutants, in fact,

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Speaker 2: fifteens or two twenty threes rather from that, Hurricanes more

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Speaker 2: in a Pacific game, but not too many other surprises

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Speaker 2: from those respective sides, so probably a good chance you'll

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Speaker 2: to run through the weekend. And you've been handed Liam

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Speaker 2: Napiers tipping pen for the week. He got two of five.

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Speaker 2: I got one of five in the opening round. So

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the greatest in all honesty.

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Speaker 3: And what was your one? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: My one was the Chiefs beating the Blues. His two

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Speaker 2: were the Moratars in the Brumbies. I picked, we both

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Speaker 2: picked the Crusaders. I picked the Reds, we both picked

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Speaker 2: the drawer and I picked the Force. So yeah, tough

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Speaker 2: fold start to the tipping comp for both of us

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Speaker 2: in all honesty, so let's rip in to it. Hurricanes,

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Speaker 2: More one of pacifica gold sport, iHeartRadio seven O five

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Speaker 2: Friday Night More one with a good win in Fiji?

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Speaker 2: Can they back it up at sky Stadium Bules.

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Speaker 4: Oh, look, it's not out of the realms of possibility,

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Speaker 4: but you know, I know how much teams, how difficult

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Speaker 4: it is for teams coming back from Lao Toka, and

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Speaker 4: that's just evident based on Tana among his team sheet

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Speaker 2: That's a big call. I'm going to go the Chiefs. Look,

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Speaker 2: fit for Jammie Joseph to be the All Blacks head coach.

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Speaker 2: Force in Blues nine thirty five on Saturday night and

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Speaker 4: they'll be disappointed. They were clunky, So we're many teams

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Speaker 2: And the game you'll be calling Saturday, sorry, Sunday afternoon,

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Speaker 2: fascinating game. Look, I think the Crusaders should win. I'm

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: I think this Brumbies team again, like I know, it's

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Speaker 3: They get Fletcher Mule back as well as a starter.

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Speaker 4: They have to Mighty Williams off the bench as well

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's much closer game than friends at

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Speaker 2: go the tipping comp. Of course, you can join us

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Speaker 2: which is play Fantasy Rugby dot com. How did you

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Charlie Calee, I see he was the

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Speaker 4: And as you outlined earlier, Elliott to Lesta had a

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Speaker 3: So I think I'm.

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Speaker 4: About sixty seventh of your ninety odd teams in the

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Speaker 3: But it is round one. I'll keep chpping away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aout same sixty two out of one hundred

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Speaker 2: on at Rugby Direct podcast, searching on the Fantasy website

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Speaker 2: and we are going to dig into the mailbag every

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Speaker 2: dot nz. Producer Mark has dug through the mail bag.

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Speaker 2: Got time for one this week. This is an interesting

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Speaker 2: one actually from Steve. What was the point of Super

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Speaker 2: Rugby coming out and saying the two po vi try

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Speaker 2: footy to be played. That's from Steve and the King

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Speaker 2: Country Love the pod guys, cheap smart. Thanks Steve for

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Speaker 2: your email. I'll throw this to you. Are you first buels?

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Speaker 2: We're Super Rugby right to come out and say that

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Speaker 4: Night, I actually didn't mind the transparency, to be totally honest.

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Speaker 4: I think there is an element of gray with this

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit open for interpretation where the rule

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Speaker 4: has been in place of the law. Sorry, it has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem pretty clear. On the night I

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Speaker 2: So I think we'll Rugby needs to come out and clarify.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate that Elliott, cheers mate.

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