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Speaker 1: And Ittally Joe McKenna, morning to you, good money, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine this is the one stop shop

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Speaker 1: of conversation in your particular part of the world.

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Speaker 2: How is he?

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Speaker 1: Do we know?

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Speaker 2: Well, Pope Francis has pneumonia in both lungs and that's

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Speaker 2: quite complicating as we know for someone of his age.

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Speaker 2: He's eighty eight years old. He had part of one

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Speaker 2: of his lungs removed when he was a young man.

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Speaker 2: He's had bronchitis in the past, so this is a

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Speaker 2: complex respiratory infection. He was doing a little bit better today.

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Speaker 2: He was out of bed and sitting in his tenth

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Speaker 2: floor suite at Jamali Hospital, and he had a visit

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Speaker 2: from the Italian Prime Minister, Georgia Maloney.

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Speaker 1: The report and it wasn't a tabloid, I will give

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Speaker 1: you that, but they suggesting was they were rehearsing his funeral.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Do you know?

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Speaker 2: Look, I would expect that those arrangements would be made.

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Speaker 2: You know that they would be looking at those preparations

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Speaker 2: as we saw for many years before the death of

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Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth. These are standard operations that the Vatican would

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Speaker 2: be I think going through at the moment, even though

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen confirmation about I would expect that.

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Speaker 1: And I know you're not a doctor, and I know

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Speaker 1: this is my weird fascination. But in looking at the

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Speaker 1: pictures of them, like obviously before he went to hospital,

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Speaker 1: he's got a tremendous swelling under his jaw in his net.

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Speaker 1: Do we know what that is? Is that obvious to

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Speaker 1: people or is it just me?

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Speaker 2: I think the understanding is that he's been on court

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Speaker 2: his oonne treatment for a while, which has affected his weight,

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Speaker 2: and as you said, there was swelling. Many of the

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Speaker 2: Vatican journalists who saw his last weekly audience last Wednesday

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Speaker 2: said he was absolutely dreadful. He was struggling to speak,

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Speaker 2: he couldn't breathe, and they couldn't believe that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: in hospital already.

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Speaker 1: That's right, those are the pictures I look at. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't look well now, speaking of not looking well for

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Speaker 1: other reasons, maloney, is that once again? Is it just me?

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Speaker 1: But I looked at those pictures around the table with

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Speaker 1: Macron and co. She looked like she'd rather be down

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Speaker 1: at Kentucky Fried Chicken.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, she just looked like a disdainful teenager,

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Speaker 2: and for somebody who has been openly supportive, consistently supportive

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Speaker 2: of Zelensky and Ukraine against Russia, Suddenly she's in the

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Speaker 2: middle of a bit of a pickle because she has

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Speaker 2: to side with Europe and at the same time she

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Speaker 2: wants to keep her cozy relationship going with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: President of the US, and she's probably worried about the

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Speaker 2: imposition of those tariffs that we haven't heard from heard

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Speaker 2: about just yet.

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Speaker 1: Can she explain or can you explain? What is it

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Speaker 1: about Europe? I mean literally, you guys are having the

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Speaker 1: rug pulled out from under you as we speak, as

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Speaker 1: peace talks start and continue between Russia and America. And

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Speaker 1: you've heard what Trump is said about Zelensky this morning.

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Speaker 1: What is it about Europe that they refuse to get

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Speaker 1: their act together? What Schultz doing storming out and whining

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Speaker 1: and bitching when really you might want to get your

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Speaker 1: act together and start looking like you're a bit cohesive. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that is still an issue for the European leaders,

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Speaker 2: especially for Germany as we know, facing this critical election

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Speaker 2: in the next few days. But they do need to

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Speaker 2: get their act together, and there are so many different

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Speaker 2: political points of view now and different coalitions within Europe.

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Speaker 2: For example, as we know, Maloney generally lines up much

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Speaker 2: more with Erduan my bigger pardon Auburn in Hungary. So

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Speaker 2: there is this kind of it's very difficult I think

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Speaker 2: for the political leaders to build alliances, especially as we

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Speaker 2: know President Macron has got weakness in his own backyard

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Speaker 2: and Schultz is very weak in Germany.

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Speaker 1: Almost like a vacuum, and they're taking advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Na, how spectacular and would you go

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Speaker 1: up there and have a good gook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those images are just incredible. We've had skiers skiing

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Speaker 2: down the snow on the slopes as the lav has

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Speaker 2: been erupting. We've had chaos on the streets and tourists

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Speaker 2: lining up in their cars to try and take a look,

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Speaker 2: and that's causing all sorts of problems and flights have

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Speaker 2: diverted from the area as well. But it's certainly a

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Speaker 2: worry I think seeing Edna explode and it has impact

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Speaker 2: and will have an impact on tourism if that continues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And you don't have rules in Italy about that,

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Speaker 1: like when the thing's blowing up, you don't go skiing

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Speaker 1: down it or stand there and watch it or anything

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: Stay away.

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Speaker 1: How hard can it be? All right? Joe Nice to

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Speaker 1: catch up Joe Mckenneron Thursday Mornings in The Mic Asking Breakfast,

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Speaker 1: Boris Johnson says this, when are we Europeans going to

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Speaker 1: be stop being scandalized about Donald Trump and start helping

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Speaker 1: him in this war? Of course, Ukraine didn't start the war.

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Speaker 1: You might as well say, America attack Japan at pil Harbor.

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Speaker 1: Keimmi bad Knox says, Lenski's not a dictator, He's the

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Speaker 1: democratically elected leader of Ukraine. Trump is right that Europe

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Speaker 1: needs to pull its weight and that includes the UK.

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Speaker 1: We need to get serious. The PM as in Starma,

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Speaker 1: will have my support to increase defense spending.

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